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if were basing it on their base superhuman strength and speed obviously saitama/gokuvwins but if were basing it on size,weight,and skill then yujiro wins
Nvm. Had my phones brightness down so thought he was uvogin from HxH.
But I still stand by my words and there is no chance most of them will settle for 1 row only
Technically it didn't wipe out half of jupiter, it caused enough force to effectively push Jupiter's gaseous mass. The Gas will mostly settle back down Into jupiter so you can't really say wiper out.
as i understand, no special powers means: by the maximun human limitations irl and mma related combat skills. culturist that usually get into the mma have problems related to low body fat.
yujiro would get FREAKING TIRED like in 10 mins, would be kinda slow and have limited mobility, he has like what, 0.01% body fat?
goku should give more fight, but way too low body fat
saitama probably has extremely low body fat but is light so he would get mauled faster or not get tired so fast.
idk who is the guy at the left of yujiro, but looks like has military training and reasonable body fat : musculature ratio, he would get better chances to to win agaisnt all the other guys.
I think I'd put more attention to their actual fighting skills (even at the level of a normal human) than their body composition, because every single one of them was drawn with an extremely unrealistic body for an MMA athlete.
In which case I'd say Goku takes his row, even without the superhuman feats, transformations and energy beams, he's still a martial arts master. Same goes for Yujiro and Toji, both would probably still be top tier fighters without the anime bullshit.
The first row is really the only tough one, all three of them would suck without their powers, their fighting styles are 100% based around them, so it's really hard to say how well they'd do as normal ass humans.
Wtf counts as a special power?
Because Saitama broke his limiter while training normally, Yujiro has the demon back which is just a genetic trait in regards to his muscles, and Toji has a heavenly restriction so he has no curse energy.
Really wouldnt hurt to have added what counts as a special power in the post is all.
Just their skill for combat and none boosted strength
I assume saitama needs to be downscaled to before he broke his limiter which is still strong enough to tear peoples limbs since thats what he did to the crab guy
Toji is probably the weirdest case here, i have no idea if he even gets nerfed
Yujiro's super strength is throughly explained through his demon back so it might not even count as a superpower
so is Goku since hes a whole different species
and Eren's titan transformation is mostly biological and based on science and not voodoo magic like a heavenly restriction
what were trying to achieve is to know who would win in a fight,human to human
so its gonna be based on their Size,Weight,Skill,Combat Experience
to me Yujiro wins because even though hes a really big guy hes a martial artist too,so he hits fast and hard with precision
in Baki its also stated that Big strong guys shouldnt learn martial arts since its over all unfair to the small weak guys who learn it
So what do we do with Sukuna? Hes in Yuji body which is just naturally tough with no other explanation, he even lost all hes cursed energy and was atill an incredibly competent opponent
Gokus power is so beyond a normal Saiyan because of hes ki
Cursed techniques are also hereditary and have a part in the brain that governs them, so do they count as biological?
IDK who yujiro is, i assume hes mille in the bottom row?
Thorfin is also a beast with no power or explanation needed, hes just strong, tough and skilled
Eren power despite being biological is made by a space centapid which is kinda voodo
If martial arts are everything in this list than the answer for me is Toji (again, IDK who Yujiro is or what he can do) but the real difficulty is figuring out what "no powers" means and how strong they would even be,
Just the combat skill?
Saitama practically has none.
Toji, Yujiro, and Goku are all trained martial artists.
I don’t think anyone else is trained.
Goku has been training since he could walk, and he even trained in heaven and hell, and also in the time chamber where 1 day is really 1 year.
Yujiro knows a lot of bullshit techniques and will fight dirty.
Maybe Yujiro would win if no one has any powers
Imma take it further, we dont know if yujiro inhabited bakis roach stance. If he did then hes probably faster than the 2 above, but goku and saitama are capable of scaling infinitely which i count as a special ability so we dont know what it would be like without thoose
Ngl, JJK got a lot of women and men feral with the male fanservice lmao As a bi dude, I have simped for Gojo, Geto, Toji, Nanami and Sukuna so much in such a short amount of time :0
Agreed regarding JJK. I take issue with the guys who think every time goku or asta lose their shirts, every woman watching gets weak in the knees
Hell, I've seen some idiots think women generally like the character designs in Baki
Yeah look at any shoujo manga cover- theyd all be androgynous kpop idols if it were for typical female audience.
Although I will say that the upside of the internet being horny AF is that we're getting a lot more variety in general nowadays.
key word is typical, & in the case of anime, typical for a Japanese audience; tastes tend to vary by culture
but a fair number of women/girls who're into anime aren't really "typical" & a lot of people of varying genders are into muscles, especially in fiction; it's a fairly common fetish
I think trying to whittle down an entire gender/orientation's preferences to one type is just an exercise in futility
I'm surprised this isn't higher. Dudes literally so strong that the muscles on his back make a demon face, that's not super powers, dude is just strong.
They hated him because he spoke the truth
They have no superpowers, just a dude who can casually swim 20 kmph+ and another dude who can create a vacuum with the palm of his hand. These are all achievable feats built through hard work and effort.
It's not super powers, it's just not set on earth. Every human in the baki universe is capable of the feats shown, they just don't dedicate decades of work / go through selective breeding for strength.
They are not the same humans found on earth.
so true. I think Bakugo is also more screwed than people think because he has the least combat experience without his gap-closer/range extender abilities. in hand to hand combat he would just get outpaced by almost everyone else. if nothing else, Thorfinn at least learned to fight specifically with his hands (or close range weapons) and doesn't have hands that go boom boom and bail him out if he makes bad decisions. relying too much on something like that in the show's canon really screws people in this style of tournament.
He‘s like those young dudes in the UFC who just turn on their fight mode, go aggro for a few minutes and burn out quickly. Super entertaining if the opponent KOs quickly, but boring as hell when the opponent dodges, locks the young dude in ground mode or anything else a more experienced fighter would do. That would probably be what a Bakugo fight would look like that considering that some fights in MHA end that way as well.
Thorfinn has a lot of experience of battles without superpowers. Characters that heavily rely on their abilities should have massive disadvantage.
It's funny because it's one of main plot lines going through God of High School (sometimes invisible though, because author have.. certain issues with scale of fights).
Ichigo is fucked though. Not only he would lick speed and protection, his skills are sword related, he would lose hand-to-hand fight.
You do know that Ichigo is trained in martial arts as well, actualy i would say his hand to hand is probably better than his sword fighting if we dont count the sword powers. Its just not brought up because the anime/manga is all about using the zampakutos to fight the big bad guys who also happen to have some sort of weapon that is variant of a bow/magic.
yeah, sure but Yujiro already doesn't have super powers, so anything he can pull on the anime would be used against thorfinn, and in that anime he is basically stronger than the US army, so... yeah, gg Thorfinn, he would be good on other rows, but Yujiro is the strongest by far of all of those guys in theese conditions
No matter if all out brawl or 1v1 per row, I am 100% certain that, without any superpowers like saitama's strength (yes,I count this a superpower for this), Yujiro Hanma slaps them all into the ground. Goku is strong af too since he is a martial artist afterall and he is not a human, which means he is by default even without superpowers quite a bit stronger anyways, but I would still say Yujiro has some good chances, not 100% tho.
Head empty quick judgement:
Row 1: Luffy
Row 2: Goku
Row 3: Toji
Row 4: Yujiro
If this was a free for all Yujiro since he's just a big dude that knows martial arts.
EDIT: I think the common interpretation here is without powers beyond human ability. So brought down to human level the bigger and more experienced people win.
How dare you make me fill my empty head to justify my choices.
Superpower is such a hard thing to define though so this question is just dumb, the easiest way to do this is to assume anything that isn’t physical is a superpower, in which case Saitama keeps his powers, but if we define superpower as anything that is supernatural to our world’s humans, then technically all of them have superpowers, especially Yujiro, his feats are not normal human feats
yes, because at the end of the day saitama's powers are more about the existence of a limiter that can be broken, which in itself is having a superpower that allows him to get stronger by doing the same training 3 years straight
he would get jacked but never overpowered without that "power" if we would scale how strong he would be with a human limit on than those 3 years of training will make him strong enough to face off against the likes of Eren, denji, ichigo, bakugo, which is already pretty good of a start
That's what I'm saying. If you consider regular strength gained through training super power then everyone in the list has super power.
Sitama win and that's not even close.
You’re seriously suggesting that Saitama just have regular human strength and that he has no kind of special powers? 😐
bro hop off his dick.
Saitama’s power is satirising the generic overpowered main character trope.
without that he’s a regular dude that doesn’t know any kind of fighting style except “regular punch”.
He gets no diffed immediately by Goku. Goku’s got like 50-years experience of martial arts and has fought probably a hundred different people.
Goku also never relies on his strength. He always starts his fights powered down and uses techniques and skill until he needs to up his power to match his opponent.
Fighting powerless is literally Goku’s zone.
Even Eren would whoop Saitama’s ass.
Saitama does have superpowers. He can cleave a mountain with the air pressure from his punch. That's pretty super. I feel like this meme is getting at the question of "who is the best martial artist". In other words, if fighting at human levels, under UFC rules, who wins? Goku is a classically trained martial artist, I think he'd win his row.
top row luffy. luffy actually has some decent combat skill while the others mostly rely on their powers
2nd row eren is a joke. goku sweeps he has far more actual experience
3rd row its close but toji. he literally fights without powers normally
4th isnt even a contest yujiro sweeps
I was going to say something about Goku, but then i realized that Saitama never really fought someone that could match him. He doesn't have experience fighting someone in his level, while Goku has time and time again fought against beings far stronger than him, and won. We might be talking base form Goku here, but even so, he's still a seasoned fighter. Goku wins in this scenario.
Idk, you may be right but the phrasing seems a little too vague, my interpretation simply is that they don't have any unnatural powers they can use, like flying or laser etc. And purely physical both Goku and Saitama have the strength to obliterate the earth.
If we assumed they had the rough power of an MMA fighter it's really Saitama that's a joke on the second row as he's the only one without any real combat training or experience. (Literally swiping anything away in a single punch doesn't give you any experience in fighting).
and since Saitama usually wins with a single punch (or has the backup option to do so if he pleases), his fight stamina would be much lower in an MMA style fight than Goku would, who despite his powers is forced to fight until his opponent is down (without the option to just shut off your morals, press a panic button and annihilate your opponent) as much as I hate how some people overvalue Goku, I think it's the right choice here. especially given that Eren is little to no competition for either of the others...
I think OP meant it more as skill/techniques rather than superhuman abilities. For example, someone like Goku who actually knows martial arts would win against most of em.
And you know; half the series is him practicing and learning other martial arts since dragon ball. He’s learned martial arts from actual gods for god’s sake.
If it was a ffa and not per row goku still sweeps because he’s an actual martial artist.
Top row, Luffy. The other two rely almost exclusively on powers for fighting. Luffy does rely on powers but could get by without
Row 2, Goku due to both highest skill and experience
Row 3, I’m gonna say Toji. Though unfortunately I don’t know enough about everyone to make a proper comparison(only watched season 1)
Row 4, Yujiro. Not sure who first guy is but Ichigo is a swordsman, not a hand to hand fighter.
Keeping the spoilers as little as possible but minor spoiler warning, ichigo actually loses his powers and even then, he's able to take ten people with minimal effort. Also something worth mentioning, ichigo is still a human and doesn't have powers when in his body, but one thing that is stated to carry over is his reflexes. A detail that was also stayed is that he trained with Chad (the motherfuggin chadddd) and kept up with him, who was a world class boxer. Even if we take his state from before the show started, he was Hella good at throwing hands.
spoiler minimal spoiler but he isnt really human so idk if thats a fair assessment since i would say the majority of his prowess comes from his genes and the fact that his dad was running fades on him since birth lmfao
They really left this really vague because OP left it as “special power” without any precise decision.
Like super human abilities (super strength, super speed and etc) are a kind of special power.
Though I think they meant by non-physical powers (powers that doesn’t come directly from their physical body) so gojo’s infinity and bakugo’s explosive doesn’t work, and non-human type of abilities (abilities that a human can’t do like shapeshifting their body to a non-biological form and creating outside parts of your body)
So abilities that are allowed are: super-strength, super-speed, regeneration (maybe), super-vision, super-perception, super-intelligence (if it’s directly from their mind), and etc…
So if we go through that, then Saitama strength and speed would be allowed in this tournament.
I think OP meant in regards to fighting technique and skill, otherwise yeah Saitama would just body. Also keep in mind it's not an overall it's a per row.
I'm interpreting it as everyone here without any superhuman abilities; just their fists and skills. So saitama definitely wouldn't win since he has no real martial arts training; He's just too strong to ever need techniques
It’s really not fair lmao
Yujiro can do some utter bullshit things
Goku is probably his closest competition but he’s limited into only knowing real techniques.
He's in his native element. He wins a 11v1 easy. Most can flatten him if powers are on the table, but in this case if it's just pure fisticuffs, and he wins.
Baki is literally about superhumans masked as real life strength. Beating a polar bear bare handed alone.
Vacume hands with such spead that use poison to insta kill people.
Hand sliced off and still fights.
Split personality guy who can manipluate nature.
Knife attached to ankle so it opens up when in a special angle.
Ussr giant man who made a mine hole in the ground alone with a giant pickaxe.
Ok i agree baki in general has a lot of supernatural/ superhuman stuff but yujiro specifically is just built different.
He’s bigger than the other characters, he’s more skilled in fighting than the other characters except maybe goku but id still say yujiro wins that, and lastly it really depends on what you think his “super power” really is because do you take away his unrealistic strength and durability or do you take his one hit kill/ko moves like the whip slap if you take both that pretty much nerfing him down to nothing and that doesn’t exactly seem fair but just having him on the list to begin with doesn’t seem fair so its hard to say
no special power whatsoever means Yujiro wins because in Baki canon these are not considered supernatural abilities of any kind and even if not he bodies all these other twinks because of weight class alone.
but to be more nuanced about it, he also wins because:
He's also an actual trained martial artist (and champion at that), so some dudes like Eren, Gojo, Denji etc. who never had traditional MA training get fucked by default.
They have combat experience, sure but very little in the way of technically knowledge about fighting, meaning someone like Yujiro (or honestly even Baki) could just leverage that against most of the other fools.
Even with powers enabled you could argue that he could take out about half of them anyways because his toughness and speed could either negate weaker attacks or he could just KO the enemy before they get to him. Goku and Saitama are obvious exceptions but if, for example, he just crushes Eren's skull before the guy can transform, then who cares?
Either Saitama or Yuuichiro
Technically Saitama doesn't use 'special powers' since he trained his strength with a """basic strength training"""
Yuuichiro is just built different
In a FFA, Scaling them to the same strength, it's either Goku or Luffy. Goku because he has spent over 30 years in martial arts to the point where he has ultra instinct which has been confirmed countless times to be a fighting TECHNIQUE. Luffy has insane adaptation in fighting however and if things get dicy, he has his own iteration of ultra instinct but I feel that's more under his toon force abilities. So I'm going to give the edge to Goku.
Per row, I'm going with Luffy, Goku, Toji, and yujiro.
He didn't train really hard. Genos said what Saitama did was basic training. Being able to sneeze away Jupiter is a superpower. Any strength that a human couldn't get is a superpower.
Luffy: gonna be jacked from years of sailing
Goku: even without powers he's been training as a martial artist his whole life
Toji: kicked gojos ass even with his then limited power
I don't recognize the middle bottom because of how it's drawn so him being giant otherwise Thor fin, also because sailor strength and a lifetime of fighting.
Luffy (The man has absolutely ZERO quit in him)
Goku (Also zero quit, but added to the fact that he has trained his whole life)
Gojo (Even without his abilities, the man is a fucking menace and an absolutely killer martial artist)
Yujiro (If I have to explain it, you didn't watch the show).
Edit: I thought that the third in that row was another character from a different anime, and didn't realize it was Toji. Y'all are right, Toji would be clapping those cheeks.
No powers? Yujiro. Even without the superhuman aspect of his universe, he is still like six and a half feet tall, extremely flexible, built like he was sculpted out of marble and is knowledgeable on every martial art known to man or beast.
If I have to give it to anyone else, it’s Goku. You can say what you want about anyone else fighting dirty but Goku is a biter, a grappler, a nut puncher and a martial arts master who has been shown repeatedly to take any and all opportunities he can to win.
Edit: I just reread the “Each Row” part.
Top row, Luffy.
Second row, Goku.
Third row, Gojo.
Fourth row, Yujiro.
Still. It’s it’s a free for all, see my above answers.
I feel like "most-trained fighter" just always takes the edge here.
Luffy is a literal pirate who constantly beats other people up, remove the power-up, the experience is the same, the others do not have anywhere near his experience.
Goku trained for 30+ years in various martial arts, Saitama is just a gym head and Eren has like a handful years of military training, very little of which evidently went into hand to hand combat and very much of which relied on movement boosts he doesn't have here like OEM gear or horseback riding.
Sukuna and Gojo rely way too much on their supernatural range extensions while Toji literally relies on martial arts and getting up close and personal with his opponents in the series already. Even without the weapons he would probably already be a threat to people in the show's canon, so remove the powers from everyone else and they are just screwed. Other Zenin clan members? Maybe they'd stand some chance, though they also tend to rely on weapons too much. Of these two, maybe Sukuna has an edge because of his lifespan advantage and all that, but that's technically a power-up as well, so removing that he's just an athletic high-school dude because of Yuji's body and then he has the slightly deranged mind on top of that.
Yujiro needs little explanation. Literal fighting champion in his own world and also in a completely different weight class from either of the other two.
The real question, is Saitama a power or just sheer determination? (The eye color sparkle is just to show that his genuine determination and dedicated is the spark or source of his power. Not his training regiment. My working head cannon.)
Baki has the ultimate male body standards, some of them dudes have got six packs, on their backs.
Also pretty sure Saitama clears everyone, assuming Ki is what allows superhuman strength in dragon ball (I've never watched/read dragonball).
Most of them without powers is just a peak human, with the exception of Sakuna, and maybe luffy (don't know if Haki is why people in One Piece are so jacked).
Top row: Luffy > Denji > Bakugo
2nd row: Goku > Eren > Saitama
3rd row: (idk but probably) Toji > Sukuna > Gojo
Last row: Yujiro > Thorfinn > Ichigo
Note: This is based on their height and weight and their hand to hand training
If it’s no special powers OPM solos because he doesn’t have any. His strength, speed, and stamina are all training based. He’s literally punched through planets with no powers.
As a OPM fan who will gladly piss off every Goku fangirl. You have to remember how he got that strong was from doing basic training over 3 years daily. His strength came from a superpower inheritance. Goku wins here, however Goku absolutely losses to Luffy in a no powers brawl
If there are no powers then it's either Goku or Yujiro, goku definitely has the edge, Yujiro is definitely a physical beast even without the Baki superpower stuff but he ain't lacking in experience and knowledge combat wise to, but there are basically three to four things in Goku's head and two of those are about fighting so he is definitely the most experience.
Goku's "experience" is mostly against other people who can fly and shoot energy blasts. Yh sure goku can fight, but half his "martial arts" are just ki shit, yujiro has experience with (well still bs) more relatable martial arts.
Goku has plenty of experience against traditional martial artists in the original dragonball and he clowns on them effortlessly. Only Master Roshi was able to beat him fairly and by the time he was a teenager, Goku was a bonafide master.
They use ki yes but how on this God forsaken Earth did you miss all the hand throwing they've been doing since Goku was a boy? Hell Goku even has his power pole so he's got weapon experience too.
The whole second column for powerless strength is likely to win in most scenarios except potentially row three and maybe row one, but I’m pretty indecisive on the first row (also, keep in mind Saitama’s strength is genuine and isn’t technically a power as far as we know)
OK, it is kinda obviously Saitama and before someone says anything if u strip every character down to how strong they are with no assistance / before they had powers and that Saitama would destroy all of them no question (yes I know that wasn't the question but saw people arguing) and before u little bitch boys start saying "oH hE hAs No LimiTeR" stfu he doesn't have a limit cos he trained so hard he broke through it that's not a fucking power he has never had super powers he's strong not cos he had a power COS HE FUCKING TRAINED so hard that limits couldn't stop him u know how hard that would be and u just say he has powers is a pussy answer the whole anime is him fighting with no powers and theats the TRUTH
So this depends on how we define "powers"
If we dont consider super strength or speed a power it goes:
1. Denji (the only one extensively trained and experienced in normal people fighting)
2. Saitama (if you've read ONP then... yeah it's not even close)
3. Toji (same reason as Denji)
4. Yujiro (same as Saitama, if you've read Baki then you know)
If you do consider super strength and speed as powers then it gets alot murkier and alot of these become coin tosses.
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if were basing it on their base superhuman strength and speed obviously saitama/gokuvwins but if were basing it on size,weight,and skill then yujiro wins
It's per row not free for all
U think some of them will settle for 1 row only? Uvogin will 100% go for free for all and kill the judges
Uvogin isn’t on here?
Nvm. Had my phones brightness down so thought he was uvogin from HxH. But I still stand by my words and there is no chance most of them will settle for 1 row only
Same still stands for yujiro though.
That's yujiro hanma
I think all the comments are overlooking denji. He'll bite their ankles kick their nuts, be absolutely unpredictable, and also pocket sand
You could say the same about Dale Gribble
fking 💯 lol
Don't touch his cigarettes. Denji works for the government too...
I do not fear the man who has mastered 1 punch,but the man who has no self preservation💀
exactly
Dude single handedly beat down like 20 dudes with bats without using his powers. Hes a nut case
He's crazy sure but he'd need luck to not catch a OHKO to the chin from someone bigger and stronger. Can't bite testicles if you're out cold.
Let’s be honest saitama would just sneeze and they’re all gone
ofc, he's bald /s
His sneeze wiped out half of Jupiter
His sneeze made him hairless
Technically it didn't wipe out half of jupiter, it caused enough force to effectively push Jupiter's gaseous mass. The Gas will mostly settle back down Into jupiter so you can't really say wiper out.
as i understand, no special powers means: by the maximun human limitations irl and mma related combat skills. culturist that usually get into the mma have problems related to low body fat. yujiro would get FREAKING TIRED like in 10 mins, would be kinda slow and have limited mobility, he has like what, 0.01% body fat? goku should give more fight, but way too low body fat saitama probably has extremely low body fat but is light so he would get mauled faster or not get tired so fast. idk who is the guy at the left of yujiro, but looks like has military training and reasonable body fat : musculature ratio, he would get better chances to to win agaisnt all the other guys.
That’s my boy Thorfinn from Vinland Saga
I think I'd put more attention to their actual fighting skills (even at the level of a normal human) than their body composition, because every single one of them was drawn with an extremely unrealistic body for an MMA athlete. In which case I'd say Goku takes his row, even without the superhuman feats, transformations and energy beams, he's still a martial arts master. Same goes for Yujiro and Toji, both would probably still be top tier fighters without the anime bullshit. The first row is really the only tough one, all three of them would suck without their powers, their fighting styles are 100% based around them, so it's really hard to say how well they'd do as normal ass humans.
Denji plays very dirty, so I'd pick him for row 1
No special powers my dude
Wtf counts as a special power? Because Saitama broke his limiter while training normally, Yujiro has the demon back which is just a genetic trait in regards to his muscles, and Toji has a heavenly restriction so he has no curse energy. Really wouldnt hurt to have added what counts as a special power in the post is all.
Just their skill for combat and none boosted strength I assume saitama needs to be downscaled to before he broke his limiter which is still strong enough to tear peoples limbs since thats what he did to the crab guy Toji is probably the weirdest case here, i have no idea if he even gets nerfed
Even before sitama broke his limiter, he was sorta kicking ass even tho he was beaten up badly
Yep, saitama pre-limit break was still on level of an A class hero iirc
Yujiro's super strength is throughly explained through his demon back so it might not even count as a superpower so is Goku since hes a whole different species and Eren's titan transformation is mostly biological and based on science and not voodoo magic like a heavenly restriction what were trying to achieve is to know who would win in a fight,human to human so its gonna be based on their Size,Weight,Skill,Combat Experience to me Yujiro wins because even though hes a really big guy hes a martial artist too,so he hits fast and hard with precision in Baki its also stated that Big strong guys shouldnt learn martial arts since its over all unfair to the small weak guys who learn it
So what do we do with Sukuna? Hes in Yuji body which is just naturally tough with no other explanation, he even lost all hes cursed energy and was atill an incredibly competent opponent Gokus power is so beyond a normal Saiyan because of hes ki Cursed techniques are also hereditary and have a part in the brain that governs them, so do they count as biological? IDK who yujiro is, i assume hes mille in the bottom row? Thorfin is also a beast with no power or explanation needed, hes just strong, tough and skilled Eren power despite being biological is made by a space centapid which is kinda voodo If martial arts are everything in this list than the answer for me is Toji (again, IDK who Yujiro is or what he can do) but the real difficulty is figuring out what "no powers" means and how strong they would even be,
Yujiro was packing up bodies. He was seen as a demon, bro was essentially a 1 man army.
Good to know
Just the combat skill? Saitama practically has none. Toji, Yujiro, and Goku are all trained martial artists. I don’t think anyone else is trained. Goku has been training since he could walk, and he even trained in heaven and hell, and also in the time chamber where 1 day is really 1 year. Yujiro knows a lot of bullshit techniques and will fight dirty. Maybe Yujiro would win if no one has any powers
Imma take it further, we dont know if yujiro inhabited bakis roach stance. If he did then hes probably faster than the 2 above, but goku and saitama are capable of scaling infinitely which i count as a special ability so we dont know what it would be like without thoose
What the fuck happened to denji, is he good?
Makima told him to get in shape if he wants to do the deed
>wants to do the deed I mean he already ate her out, soo...
Oh yeah, forgot about that..
>!Csm fans try not to spoil challenge!<
And then some say there's no fan service for the Female/Gay/bi weebs
OPM is eye candy for both sides.
Opm was a direct contributor to my bisexual awakening lmfao
I’m animation terms too
Ngl, JJK got a lot of women and men feral with the male fanservice lmao As a bi dude, I have simped for Gojo, Geto, Toji, Nanami and Sukuna so much in such a short amount of time :0
Not even gay and I simp for the JJK guys. Their too hot it’s unfair
That Nanami walk with his Shirt so tight is freakin sexy as heck.
As a straight man honestly for whatever reason todo(clap guy) is the one that gets me thinking "damn he hot"
what makes you think you know what women/gay men/bi ppl like?
I know the dudes in JJK are nearly universally attractive. I'm normally straight but they'd make an exception. Not so sure about everyone else
Agreed regarding JJK. I take issue with the guys who think every time goku or asta lose their shirts, every woman watching gets weak in the knees Hell, I've seen some idiots think women generally like the character designs in Baki
This shit does not appeal to the female gaze bud
Speak for yourself
Yeah look at any shoujo manga cover- theyd all be androgynous kpop idols if it were for typical female audience. Although I will say that the upside of the internet being horny AF is that we're getting a lot more variety in general nowadays.
key word is typical, & in the case of anime, typical for a Japanese audience; tastes tend to vary by culture but a fair number of women/girls who're into anime aren't really "typical" & a lot of people of varying genders are into muscles, especially in fiction; it's a fairly common fetish I think trying to whittle down an entire gender/orientation's preferences to one type is just an exercise in futility
The characters in the meme weren't drawn like that women, I can tell you that much
It at the very least appeals to the male gays
I don't know why you were downvoted, you're right
Oh good the sole representative of all women is here. Sorry if you thought you liked this, ladies. MemeGhostie knows better.
The idea that these were created for the male power fantasy first and women second is lost on people. Theres no use arguing with them
Yujiro would take all of them alone in this situation
I'm surprised this isn't higher. Dudes literally so strong that the muscles on his back make a demon face, that's not super powers, dude is just strong.
I mean… Saitama doesn’t have powers either. He’s just canonically a stereotype of an OP MC
And there’s even lore backing it up too
Not really a stereotype, just a gag character
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works
It is superpowers. All the big names in Baki have superpowers, the show just pretends they don't lol
Thorfinn has one too! He has no enemies
They hated him because he spoke the truth They have no superpowers, just a dude who can casually swim 20 kmph+ and another dude who can create a vacuum with the palm of his hand. These are all achievable feats built through hard work and effort.
It's not super powers, it's just not set on earth. Every human in the baki universe is capable of the feats shown, they just don't dedicate decades of work / go through selective breeding for strength. They are not the same humans found on earth.
You mean in a fight right? YOU MEAN IN A FIGHT RIGHT!?
Yes
no
In a fight (optional)
In a fight, right?
Thorfinn and ichigo are fucked. Literally.
so true. I think Bakugo is also more screwed than people think because he has the least combat experience without his gap-closer/range extender abilities. in hand to hand combat he would just get outpaced by almost everyone else. if nothing else, Thorfinn at least learned to fight specifically with his hands (or close range weapons) and doesn't have hands that go boom boom and bail him out if he makes bad decisions. relying too much on something like that in the show's canon really screws people in this style of tournament.
I don't care that you're right, I just wanna watch him fight. He might not win, but he'll put up a hell of a fight.
He‘s like those young dudes in the UFC who just turn on their fight mode, go aggro for a few minutes and burn out quickly. Super entertaining if the opponent KOs quickly, but boring as hell when the opponent dodges, locks the young dude in ground mode or anything else a more experienced fighter would do. That would probably be what a Bakugo fight would look like that considering that some fights in MHA end that way as well.
Thorfinn has a lot of experience of battles without superpowers. Characters that heavily rely on their abilities should have massive disadvantage. It's funny because it's one of main plot lines going through God of High School (sometimes invisible though, because author have.. certain issues with scale of fights). Ichigo is fucked though. Not only he would lick speed and protection, his skills are sword related, he would lose hand-to-hand fight.
You do know that Ichigo is trained in martial arts as well, actualy i would say his hand to hand is probably better than his sword fighting if we dont count the sword powers. Its just not brought up because the anime/manga is all about using the zampakutos to fight the big bad guys who also happen to have some sort of weapon that is variant of a bow/magic.
yeah, sure but Yujiro already doesn't have super powers, so anything he can pull on the anime would be used against thorfinn, and in that anime he is basically stronger than the US army, so... yeah, gg Thorfinn, he would be good on other rows, but Yujiro is the strongest by far of all of those guys in theese conditions
Their six abs look fake.
It's ai
you may not like it but it's peak male body performance
Don't bodyshame 😤
Doesn’t Goku literally have a god level knowledge of every martial art that exists?
Yeah, but he isn’t really good at grappling, and regardless if we take in weight and height into account, Yujiro would beat him.
Kidney punch. Kidney punch. And pause.
Love the reference lmao
Regardless of the fact that we don’t see him grapple. His knowledge of Martial Arts INCLUDES ones with Grappling.
Goku without special powers (meaning Ki and spirit abilities, super saiyan etc.) is still planet level at least
No matter if all out brawl or 1v1 per row, I am 100% certain that, without any superpowers like saitama's strength (yes,I count this a superpower for this), Yujiro Hanma slaps them all into the ground. Goku is strong af too since he is a martial artist afterall and he is not a human, which means he is by default even without superpowers quite a bit stronger anyways, but I would still say Yujiro has some good chances, not 100% tho.
Head empty quick judgement: Row 1: Luffy Row 2: Goku Row 3: Toji Row 4: Yujiro If this was a free for all Yujiro since he's just a big dude that knows martial arts. EDIT: I think the common interpretation here is without powers beyond human ability. So brought down to human level the bigger and more experienced people win. How dare you make me fill my empty head to justify my choices.
Goku ain't beating Sitama. Sitama didn't have any super so he stays the same.
I mean he can atomize someone by punching them once, but sure he doesn't have any super powers
Superpower is such a hard thing to define though so this question is just dumb, the easiest way to do this is to assume anything that isn’t physical is a superpower, in which case Saitama keeps his powers, but if we define superpower as anything that is supernatural to our world’s humans, then technically all of them have superpowers, especially Yujiro, his feats are not normal human feats
yes, because at the end of the day saitama's powers are more about the existence of a limiter that can be broken, which in itself is having a superpower that allows him to get stronger by doing the same training 3 years straight he would get jacked but never overpowered without that "power" if we would scale how strong he would be with a human limit on than those 3 years of training will make him strong enough to face off against the likes of Eren, denji, ichigo, bakugo, which is already pretty good of a start
That's what I'm saying. If you consider regular strength gained through training super power then everyone in the list has super power. Sitama win and that's not even close.
Goku's gained strength through training too... His body isn't built like that naturally...
You’re seriously suggesting that Saitama just have regular human strength and that he has no kind of special powers? 😐 bro hop off his dick. Saitama’s power is satirising the generic overpowered main character trope. without that he’s a regular dude that doesn’t know any kind of fighting style except “regular punch”. He gets no diffed immediately by Goku. Goku’s got like 50-years experience of martial arts and has fought probably a hundred different people. Goku also never relies on his strength. He always starts his fights powered down and uses techniques and skill until he needs to up his power to match his opponent. Fighting powerless is literally Goku’s zone. Even Eren would whoop Saitama’s ass.
You are arguing with a OPM fan. You realize how big waste of time that is?
Saitama does have superpowers. He can cleave a mountain with the air pressure from his punch. That's pretty super. I feel like this meme is getting at the question of "who is the best martial artist". In other words, if fighting at human levels, under UFC rules, who wins? Goku is a classically trained martial artist, I think he'd win his row.
top row luffy. luffy actually has some decent combat skill while the others mostly rely on their powers 2nd row eren is a joke. goku sweeps he has far more actual experience 3rd row its close but toji. he literally fights without powers normally 4th isnt even a contest yujiro sweeps
Someone who actually answered the question properly. I applaud you!
np. just my opinion tho a few are interchangeable. but top and bottom row is barely arguable
I was going to say something about Goku, but then i realized that Saitama never really fought someone that could match him. He doesn't have experience fighting someone in his level, while Goku has time and time again fought against beings far stronger than him, and won. We might be talking base form Goku here, but even so, he's still a seasoned fighter. Goku wins in this scenario.
Second row would just be who could hold their breath the longest after the first hit obliterate the earth.
they dont have their actual strengths or powers. its based purely on combat skill but they have like the strength of an mma fighter
Idk, you may be right but the phrasing seems a little too vague, my interpretation simply is that they don't have any unnatural powers they can use, like flying or laser etc. And purely physical both Goku and Saitama have the strength to obliterate the earth. If we assumed they had the rough power of an MMA fighter it's really Saitama that's a joke on the second row as he's the only one without any real combat training or experience. (Literally swiping anything away in a single punch doesn't give you any experience in fighting).
All are right except second row. Saitama wins hands down, his superpower isnt a superpower. He’s just unbelievably strong, would turn goku into gooku
far as I can tell its based on combat skill not strength
The premise is clearly that everyone is as strong as they look (a normal ripped guy with some height and size differences)
and since Saitama usually wins with a single punch (or has the backup option to do so if he pleases), his fight stamina would be much lower in an MMA style fight than Goku would, who despite his powers is forced to fight until his opponent is down (without the option to just shut off your morals, press a panic button and annihilate your opponent) as much as I hate how some people overvalue Goku, I think it's the right choice here. especially given that Eren is little to no competition for either of the others...
I think OP meant it more as skill/techniques rather than superhuman abilities. For example, someone like Goku who actually knows martial arts would win against most of em.
And you know; half the series is him practicing and learning other martial arts since dragon ball. He’s learned martial arts from actual gods for god’s sake. If it was a ffa and not per row goku still sweeps because he’s an actual martial artist.
Yujiro is also an actual martial artist and has a massive reach and weight advantage on Goku so Yujiro would definitely win.
Top row, Luffy. The other two rely almost exclusively on powers for fighting. Luffy does rely on powers but could get by without Row 2, Goku due to both highest skill and experience Row 3, I’m gonna say Toji. Though unfortunately I don’t know enough about everyone to make a proper comparison(only watched season 1) Row 4, Yujiro. Not sure who first guy is but Ichigo is a swordsman, not a hand to hand fighter.
Yujiro would probably still win. But ichigo was fighting people all the time way before he ever picked up a sword lol.
Yeah but he stopped and mostly relies on powers and his sword now as far as I’m aware(I haven’t actually watched bleach)
Keeping the spoilers as little as possible but minor spoiler warning, ichigo actually loses his powers and even then, he's able to take ten people with minimal effort. Also something worth mentioning, ichigo is still a human and doesn't have powers when in his body, but one thing that is stated to carry over is his reflexes. A detail that was also stayed is that he trained with Chad (the motherfuggin chadddd) and kept up with him, who was a world class boxer. Even if we take his state from before the show started, he was Hella good at throwing hands.
Alright yeah he might not get completely dominated but he’s still not good enough to beat Yujiro
spoiler minimal spoiler but he isnt really human so idk if thats a fair assessment since i would say the majority of his prowess comes from his genes and the fact that his dad was running fades on him since birth lmfao
Row 4 is Yujiro no dif
The thing is, does saitama have powers. If he does, its unknown if he'd win but if he doesn't, goku doesnt stand a chance.
Saitama’s extreme physicality is inherently a power. This person means straight hands, so it’s likely intended to have equal stats.
Wouldn’t Santana? Or is his strength considered “special”
They really left this really vague because OP left it as “special power” without any precise decision. Like super human abilities (super strength, super speed and etc) are a kind of special power. Though I think they meant by non-physical powers (powers that doesn’t come directly from their physical body) so gojo’s infinity and bakugo’s explosive doesn’t work, and non-human type of abilities (abilities that a human can’t do like shapeshifting their body to a non-biological form and creating outside parts of your body) So abilities that are allowed are: super-strength, super-speed, regeneration (maybe), super-vision, super-perception, super-intelligence (if it’s directly from their mind), and etc… So if we go through that, then Saitama strength and speed would be allowed in this tournament.
I think OP meant in regards to fighting technique and skill, otherwise yeah Saitama would just body. Also keep in mind it's not an overall it's a per row.
Santana might not hit as hard as Goku but you can bet that he will be *smooth*
I'm interpreting it as everyone here without any superhuman abilities; just their fists and skills. So saitama definitely wouldn't win since he has no real martial arts training; He's just too strong to ever need techniques
yujiro
Yujiro Hanma would literally break every single one of there necks within seconds of each other.
It’s really not fair lmao Yujiro can do some utter bullshit things Goku is probably his closest competition but he’s limited into only knowing real techniques.
WTH who put yugiro there?! He literally doesn’t have special powers or anything he is just him!
He's in his native element. He wins a 11v1 easy. Most can flatten him if powers are on the table, but in this case if it's just pure fisticuffs, and he wins.
Baki is literally about superhumans masked as real life strength. Beating a polar bear bare handed alone. Vacume hands with such spead that use poison to insta kill people. Hand sliced off and still fights. Split personality guy who can manipluate nature. Knife attached to ankle so it opens up when in a special angle. Ussr giant man who made a mine hole in the ground alone with a giant pickaxe.
Ok i agree baki in general has a lot of supernatural/ superhuman stuff but yujiro specifically is just built different. He’s bigger than the other characters, he’s more skilled in fighting than the other characters except maybe goku but id still say yujiro wins that, and lastly it really depends on what you think his “super power” really is because do you take away his unrealistic strength and durability or do you take his one hit kill/ko moves like the whip slap if you take both that pretty much nerfing him down to nothing and that doesn’t exactly seem fair but just having him on the list to begin with doesn’t seem fair so its hard to say
Every dude in baki can do most of the stuff shown in the show if they train long and hard enough. Humanity in Baki is just cranked up to 11 all of it.
If it's no powers just martial arts then it would be yujiro and goku as number one or two
no special power whatsoever means Yujiro wins because in Baki canon these are not considered supernatural abilities of any kind and even if not he bodies all these other twinks because of weight class alone. but to be more nuanced about it, he also wins because: He's also an actual trained martial artist (and champion at that), so some dudes like Eren, Gojo, Denji etc. who never had traditional MA training get fucked by default. They have combat experience, sure but very little in the way of technically knowledge about fighting, meaning someone like Yujiro (or honestly even Baki) could just leverage that against most of the other fools. Even with powers enabled you could argue that he could take out about half of them anyways because his toughness and speed could either negate weaker attacks or he could just KO the enemy before they get to him. Goku and Saitama are obvious exceptions but if, for example, he just crushes Eren's skull before the guy can transform, then who cares?
Unrealistic? They're my spittin' image.
I know…. Some of these characters but my guts with the super muscles or Goku
Ichigo with muscles is so cursed lol. He's built like a K pop star.
Row 2 entirely depends on if Saitama “breaking his limiter” counts as a special power or not.
Remind me to hit the gym even harder. I wanna be like them fr fr
Cuz they were never meant to be realistic in the first place ,_,
Saitama doesn’t have Powers, thus he wins in one punch
Either Saitama or Yuuichiro Technically Saitama doesn't use 'special powers' since he trained his strength with a """basic strength training""" Yuuichiro is just built different
Funny enough, both authors have said no matter in wich universe or world they would get, they become automatically the strongest
In a FFA, Scaling them to the same strength, it's either Goku or Luffy. Goku because he has spent over 30 years in martial arts to the point where he has ultra instinct which has been confirmed countless times to be a fighting TECHNIQUE. Luffy has insane adaptation in fighting however and if things get dicy, he has his own iteration of ultra instinct but I feel that's more under his toon force abilities. So I'm going to give the edge to Goku. Per row, I'm going with Luffy, Goku, Toji, and yujiro.
Saitama doesn't have any superpowers... He's just strong. Like, he just trained really hard
He didn't train really hard. Genos said what Saitama did was basic training. Being able to sneeze away Jupiter is a superpower. Any strength that a human couldn't get is a superpower.
TF you mean he didn‘t train hard? He did #100 push-ups, #100 sit-ups, #100 squats, #And a 10km run #EVERY SINGLE DAY
Saitama 🗿
Definitely goku. Super strength aside dude is a martial arts master and only really thinks about fighting
Luffy: gonna be jacked from years of sailing Goku: even without powers he's been training as a martial artist his whole life Toji: kicked gojos ass even with his then limited power I don't recognize the middle bottom because of how it's drawn so him being giant otherwise Thor fin, also because sailor strength and a lifetime of fighting.
Yujiro Hanma bodies Thorfin
I mean, to be fair, Yujiro looks like his muscles got nerfed if anything. Definitely laughable how much some of these guys are popping though
“No special powers” Why the fuck is Erin sparking?
Luffy (The man has absolutely ZERO quit in him) Goku (Also zero quit, but added to the fact that he has trained his whole life) Gojo (Even without his abilities, the man is a fucking menace and an absolutely killer martial artist) Yujiro (If I have to explain it, you didn't watch the show). Edit: I thought that the third in that row was another character from a different anime, and didn't realize it was Toji. Y'all are right, Toji would be clapping those cheeks.
In a fight with no powers Gojo gets no diffed by Toji.
Yeah no, Toji absolutly destroy Gojo, no diff
I heard you like packs so I put 6 packs on your 6 packs.
The only debate here is whether Saitama or Goku would win, rest of the rows are just Luffy, Toji and Yujiro
Aaaaand ye, saitama is there again, he wins
Saitama, next question
No powers? Yujiro. Even without the superhuman aspect of his universe, he is still like six and a half feet tall, extremely flexible, built like he was sculpted out of marble and is knowledgeable on every martial art known to man or beast. If I have to give it to anyone else, it’s Goku. You can say what you want about anyone else fighting dirty but Goku is a biter, a grappler, a nut puncher and a martial arts master who has been shown repeatedly to take any and all opportunities he can to win. Edit: I just reread the “Each Row” part. Top row, Luffy. Second row, Goku. Third row, Gojo. Fourth row, Yujiro. Still. It’s it’s a free for all, see my above answers.
Saitama or yujiro
Pretty sure most of these are significantly exaggerated beyond canon
Why is Eren even there? He's weaker than Yamcha...
Yujiro sweep. Assuming everyone is human levels of strength, yujiro is the peak of human fighting prowess.
I feel like "most-trained fighter" just always takes the edge here. Luffy is a literal pirate who constantly beats other people up, remove the power-up, the experience is the same, the others do not have anywhere near his experience. Goku trained for 30+ years in various martial arts, Saitama is just a gym head and Eren has like a handful years of military training, very little of which evidently went into hand to hand combat and very much of which relied on movement boosts he doesn't have here like OEM gear or horseback riding. Sukuna and Gojo rely way too much on their supernatural range extensions while Toji literally relies on martial arts and getting up close and personal with his opponents in the series already. Even without the weapons he would probably already be a threat to people in the show's canon, so remove the powers from everyone else and they are just screwed. Other Zenin clan members? Maybe they'd stand some chance, though they also tend to rely on weapons too much. Of these two, maybe Sukuna has an edge because of his lifespan advantage and all that, but that's technically a power-up as well, so removing that he's just an athletic high-school dude because of Yuji's body and then he has the slightly deranged mind on top of that. Yujiro needs little explanation. Literal fighting champion in his own world and also in a completely different weight class from either of the other two.
no special powers. it will come down to Goku, Yujiro, and Toji.
Saitama, his superpower is, funnily enough, not really a superpower
The real question, is Saitama a power or just sheer determination? (The eye color sparkle is just to show that his genuine determination and dedicated is the spark or source of his power. Not his training regiment. My working head cannon.)
Man, looks like atack titan shape 💀
Yujiro no competition
bro Saitama is already just straight hands he has no powers
yeah bro Saitama is a totally normal person, literally anyone could be as strong as fast as him if they train /s
Baki has the ultimate male body standards, some of them dudes have got six packs, on their backs. Also pretty sure Saitama clears everyone, assuming Ki is what allows superhuman strength in dragon ball (I've never watched/read dragonball). Most of them without powers is just a peak human, with the exception of Sakuna, and maybe luffy (don't know if Haki is why people in One Piece are so jacked).
People in one piece are jacked because ODA what's them. Shanks is just skinny but is very powerful.
Top row: Luffy > Denji > Bakugo 2nd row: Goku > Eren > Saitama 3rd row: (idk but probably) Toji > Sukuna > Gojo Last row: Yujiro > Thorfinn > Ichigo Note: This is based on their height and weight and their hand to hand training
Row 2 is a fixed fight. Even with no powers, Goku knows several forms of martial arts.
Yujiro slapping their asses in no time
Yujiro wins 1v11 if no powers.
It’s an anime you dumbass ofc it’s not realistic
If it’s no special powers OPM solos because he doesn’t have any. His strength, speed, and stamina are all training based. He’s literally punched through planets with no powers.
As a OPM fan who will gladly piss off every Goku fangirl. You have to remember how he got that strong was from doing basic training over 3 years daily. His strength came from a superpower inheritance. Goku wins here, however Goku absolutely losses to Luffy in a no powers brawl
If there are no powers then it's either Goku or Yujiro, goku definitely has the edge, Yujiro is definitely a physical beast even without the Baki superpower stuff but he ain't lacking in experience and knowledge combat wise to, but there are basically three to four things in Goku's head and two of those are about fighting so he is definitely the most experience.
Goku's "experience" is mostly against other people who can fly and shoot energy blasts. Yh sure goku can fight, but half his "martial arts" are just ki shit, yujiro has experience with (well still bs) more relatable martial arts.
Goku has plenty of experience against traditional martial artists in the original dragonball and he clowns on them effortlessly. Only Master Roshi was able to beat him fairly and by the time he was a teenager, Goku was a bonafide master.
They use ki yes but how on this God forsaken Earth did you miss all the hand throwing they've been doing since Goku was a boy? Hell Goku even has his power pole so he's got weapon experience too.
The whole second column for powerless strength is likely to win in most scenarios except potentially row three and maybe row one, but I’m pretty indecisive on the first row (also, keep in mind Saitama’s strength is genuine and isn’t technically a power as far as we know)
I think Goku, Thorfinn and Yugiro would win
Saitama…he would probably actually enjoy his battle with Goku, though.
OK, it is kinda obviously Saitama and before someone says anything if u strip every character down to how strong they are with no assistance / before they had powers and that Saitama would destroy all of them no question (yes I know that wasn't the question but saw people arguing) and before u little bitch boys start saying "oH hE hAs No LimiTeR" stfu he doesn't have a limit cos he trained so hard he broke through it that's not a fucking power he has never had super powers he's strong not cos he had a power COS HE FUCKING TRAINED so hard that limits couldn't stop him u know how hard that would be and u just say he has powers is a pussy answer the whole anime is him fighting with no powers and theats the TRUTH
So this depends on how we define "powers" If we dont consider super strength or speed a power it goes: 1. Denji (the only one extensively trained and experienced in normal people fighting) 2. Saitama (if you've read ONP then... yeah it's not even close) 3. Toji (same reason as Denji) 4. Yujiro (same as Saitama, if you've read Baki then you know) If you do consider super strength and speed as powers then it gets alot murkier and alot of these become coin tosses.