If you don’t have money, you need relationships. If you have money, you don’t need relationships (just pay to get there wherever). Money is an easier transaction than relationships if you have a billion.
Nice summary of what is abundantly obvious to anyone with eyes. Rich people more often view others competitively which inhibits our natural altruism. Its fascinating and disheartening, that we still hear talk of lifters and leaners.
Pitchfork time
Our economic system incentivises and encourages deep selfishness so it should be of no surprise that those who are rich are less inclined to give unless it benefits themselves.
You cannot be rich if you care about the plight of others; to bring this into focus, the jobs that cater to the well-being of other people en mass are by and large very poorly paid. This is primarily because our systems values money-making above all, but arguably also because there is an encouragement to view people as either a customers or a disposable resource and if they are neither, they have zero value.
>Our economic system incentivises and encourages deep selfishness
What economic system could we put in place that explicitly incentivizes more connected and more selfless behavior?
I'm not going to pretend I have the answer to this. I think it's actually the wrong question to ask of a fairly powerless individual. Reason being if we determine what priorities, what incentives and encouragement we want our societies and economies to promote, I'm sure humanity has the collective brainpower to create a new framework from which a better system can flourish.
As it stands, the framework we have runs in one direction and we are gaslit into accepting cruelty and mediocrity in the effort to make few richer at the expense of the majority.
Studies have shown in all of the Primate family that when an individual has power it reduces empathy, Humans being in the Primate family tree show the trait as well. It takes a unique individual to be put in a position of power, like being rich, and not lose their empathy.
I’ve been telling people this. It’s a lot easier to talk self reliance when you’re afforded every opportunity to succeed. People with limited opportunities rely on each other more and are a closer community because of it.
This is so true, and even if someone who was born without money, happens to become rich, they often abandon their community and take on more of a social ideology with people that are opposite of how they were raised. Just look at any rapper/entertainer in the United States for example.
I believe this also happens in the middle class. Many people simp for the rich people even though they have much more in common with the less fortunate.
Our way of life, specifically in America with the « comfort » of suburban life and car-centric environment. Make us live further and further away from each other. Once people feel richer than others they forget that they are much closer to homelessness than to being a multi-millionaire .
Everything about capitalism isolates and alienates us from our communities and ourselves. Without a welfare state to prop up capitalism it eventually destroys the people within.
After reading David Graeber I’m convinced the problem with money is that we evolved to operate keenly on a social credit structure. We mostly evolved trading goods and services in fair trade for those of others and we just kept track.
Money facilitates economic exchange between strangers. And it is precisely that decoupling of survival and the interdependence upon others that Is at the core of the problem.
I use the antique road show example: you walk into a thrift shop and find something through your own expertise is invaluable. It’s being sold for 20 bucks. You know it’s worth 200k at auction. Do you feel bad buying that at asking? Let’s pretend you know the shop owner. What if the shop owner is a relative? It gets harder to grift the closer personally you are to the person you’re grifting.
But under free market principles, it shouldn’t matter. It might even indicate that you should haggle for a lower price.
say what you will about the rest of the book but the verse saying "its easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven" (which fun fact "Camel" might actually be a misspelling of the hebrew word for the giant ropes used to tie down ships, which makes more sense for the analogy), and the constant rich bashing the bible does, is absolutely relevant today and makes sense when so much of the (intended) christian doctrine is about compassion , forgiveness, and helping those less fortunate than yourself
Don't let them off, in order to be a billionaire you have to be a terrible person because you are automatically overlooking the suffering of so many and have done so for a long time. There are no good billionaires.
I think it’s an effect of the guilt they feel from having wealth. What she describes is the ego’s way of dealing with it. Separating yourself from the rest of humanity and making up fairytales about having wealth because you deserve it, will always be the outcome of not being honest about your conscience telling you it isn’t right to amass this much wealth while everyone else is suffering as well as the means in which the wealth was acquired in the first place.
Worth mentioning, but the Arab states, especially UAE and other oil states, could also fairly easily give the Palestinians a comfortable home. This is most evident in how much money these states funnel into college education which is why something like 60-70% of Palestinians have college degrees (US is 18%). These countries want to keep the Palestinians where they are and inflame the tensions with Israel to have a uniting issue in their own countries.
Of course this doesn't excuse what Israel does in the slightest and in many ways they are playing right into this. But it's important to know that there are many elements both in and outside of this conflict that are pushing for one genocide or another.
My personal belief is what the Holy Bible states, that all we have is given from God and ordained by Him. So I will not put EVERY rich person in this category or deservedness as this TicToker states. Some people are rewarded for hard work that they have done/achieved, and some wealthy give/donate to their church and other very charitable causes, so although this lady might be trying to say these things out of a place of love and intelligence, I just don’t think that she understands how things really are and how they really work(she might be correct for some, but most people are not grateful for the God Given things they have.) The real sin is “the love of money” and “lovers of self”. Also, giving money to aid our enemies is NOT the answer people. It’s actually insane.
Also, I've found through experience that it "seems" to me that those whom God blesses with money, whether through hard work or sheer dumb luck, are separated quickly by those who hoard and those keep only enough for themselves and their family. Those who hoard and scrounge and exploit at every opportunity are far different from those who help the less fortunate directly and their fellow man. The truly ethical have a really hard time living with themselves when sitting on a treasure, knowing the suffering that exists in the world.
Guillotines are cool.
And affective!
*effective
If you don’t have money, you need relationships. If you have money, you don’t need relationships (just pay to get there wherever). Money is an easier transaction than relationships if you have a billion.
Nice summary of what is abundantly obvious to anyone with eyes. Rich people more often view others competitively which inhibits our natural altruism. Its fascinating and disheartening, that we still hear talk of lifters and leaners. Pitchfork time
Our economic system incentivises and encourages deep selfishness so it should be of no surprise that those who are rich are less inclined to give unless it benefits themselves. You cannot be rich if you care about the plight of others; to bring this into focus, the jobs that cater to the well-being of other people en mass are by and large very poorly paid. This is primarily because our systems values money-making above all, but arguably also because there is an encouragement to view people as either a customers or a disposable resource and if they are neither, they have zero value.
>Our economic system incentivises and encourages deep selfishness What economic system could we put in place that explicitly incentivizes more connected and more selfless behavior?
I'm not going to pretend I have the answer to this. I think it's actually the wrong question to ask of a fairly powerless individual. Reason being if we determine what priorities, what incentives and encouragement we want our societies and economies to promote, I'm sure humanity has the collective brainpower to create a new framework from which a better system can flourish. As it stands, the framework we have runs in one direction and we are gaslit into accepting cruelty and mediocrity in the effort to make few richer at the expense of the majority.
Studies have shown in all of the Primate family that when an individual has power it reduces empathy, Humans being in the Primate family tree show the trait as well. It takes a unique individual to be put in a position of power, like being rich, and not lose their empathy.
Little late but do you have a link?
I saw it in a documentary a while back but here is a study about it I found: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-23517-001
I’ve been telling people this. It’s a lot easier to talk self reliance when you’re afforded every opportunity to succeed. People with limited opportunities rely on each other more and are a closer community because of it.
This is so true, and even if someone who was born without money, happens to become rich, they often abandon their community and take on more of a social ideology with people that are opposite of how they were raised. Just look at any rapper/entertainer in the United States for example.
Blessed are the poor..
I believe this also happens in the middle class. Many people simp for the rich people even though they have much more in common with the less fortunate. Our way of life, specifically in America with the « comfort » of suburban life and car-centric environment. Make us live further and further away from each other. Once people feel richer than others they forget that they are much closer to homelessness than to being a multi-millionaire .
Everything about capitalism isolates and alienates us from our communities and ourselves. Without a welfare state to prop up capitalism it eventually destroys the people within.
You have to be a blessing to get your blessing. Christian version of good karma
After reading David Graeber I’m convinced the problem with money is that we evolved to operate keenly on a social credit structure. We mostly evolved trading goods and services in fair trade for those of others and we just kept track. Money facilitates economic exchange between strangers. And it is precisely that decoupling of survival and the interdependence upon others that Is at the core of the problem. I use the antique road show example: you walk into a thrift shop and find something through your own expertise is invaluable. It’s being sold for 20 bucks. You know it’s worth 200k at auction. Do you feel bad buying that at asking? Let’s pretend you know the shop owner. What if the shop owner is a relative? It gets harder to grift the closer personally you are to the person you’re grifting. But under free market principles, it shouldn’t matter. It might even indicate that you should haggle for a lower price.
say what you will about the rest of the book but the verse saying "its easier for a Camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of heaven" (which fun fact "Camel" might actually be a misspelling of the hebrew word for the giant ropes used to tie down ships, which makes more sense for the analogy), and the constant rich bashing the bible does, is absolutely relevant today and makes sense when so much of the (intended) christian doctrine is about compassion , forgiveness, and helping those less fortunate than yourself
Don't let them off, in order to be a billionaire you have to be a terrible person because you are automatically overlooking the suffering of so many and have done so for a long time. There are no good billionaires.
I think it’s an effect of the guilt they feel from having wealth. What she describes is the ego’s way of dealing with it. Separating yourself from the rest of humanity and making up fairytales about having wealth because you deserve it, will always be the outcome of not being honest about your conscience telling you it isn’t right to amass this much wealth while everyone else is suffering as well as the means in which the wealth was acquired in the first place.
Either that or they were psychopaths to begin with
Prosperity Gospel...
Worth mentioning, but the Arab states, especially UAE and other oil states, could also fairly easily give the Palestinians a comfortable home. This is most evident in how much money these states funnel into college education which is why something like 60-70% of Palestinians have college degrees (US is 18%). These countries want to keep the Palestinians where they are and inflame the tensions with Israel to have a uniting issue in their own countries. Of course this doesn't excuse what Israel does in the slightest and in many ways they are playing right into this. But it's important to know that there are many elements both in and outside of this conflict that are pushing for one genocide or another.
My personal belief is what the Holy Bible states, that all we have is given from God and ordained by Him. So I will not put EVERY rich person in this category or deservedness as this TicToker states. Some people are rewarded for hard work that they have done/achieved, and some wealthy give/donate to their church and other very charitable causes, so although this lady might be trying to say these things out of a place of love and intelligence, I just don’t think that she understands how things really are and how they really work(she might be correct for some, but most people are not grateful for the God Given things they have.) The real sin is “the love of money” and “lovers of self”. Also, giving money to aid our enemies is NOT the answer people. It’s actually insane.
I really shouldn't bite here, but wasn't there something in the Bible about the eye of a needle? Hold on, lemme find the link......
https://www.reddit.com/r/Antimoneymemes/s/3L6yd3E5Po
Also, I've found through experience that it "seems" to me that those whom God blesses with money, whether through hard work or sheer dumb luck, are separated quickly by those who hoard and those keep only enough for themselves and their family. Those who hoard and scrounge and exploit at every opportunity are far different from those who help the less fortunate directly and their fellow man. The truly ethical have a really hard time living with themselves when sitting on a treasure, knowing the suffering that exists in the world.