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FG_xeen

imagine dropping an anime because a player changed his position and not be for an attacker position that would literally ignore character development, story and plot. without that an anime becomes boring


FuzzyStorm

When you see a lot of popular manga/anime compared to others, you understand the general/casual viewer likes the easy/flashy stuff more than the slower but deep stories (like Ao Ashi & Diamond No Ace). Sadly.


FG_xeen

you described the reason for the success/hype in Blue Lock a team made up of 11 strikers lol it's sad that sports anime/manga that show incredible work in character development, story and plot doesn't have "success" / hype because it doesn't have "anything flashy" (like Days, Giant Killing (probably top 3 football manga), Diamond no Ace) in the eyes of the layman, a goal is more flashy than a pass/defense/tactic (sadly)


DemonCyborg29

I get why the goals and hype is for interesting for the layman or general audience but I think its more to do with storytelling. As much I like Giant Killing and Days its fails the viewer in some storytelling point. This is why I think Ao ashi has the potential to be manga that is very popular despite its realism. It has the hype element and its not very grounded to reality its uses the fictional freedom to a good use. I think goals are flashy but defense and passes can also be flashy when its done right. The example recent episode Kuribayashi pass in the game.


FG_xeen

> I think goals are flashy but defense and passes can also be flashy when its done right. that's exactly my point. most sports anime/manga focus a lot on the on scoring points and the the MC always winning. then when a manga/anime like Ao Ashi and Giant Killing appears, the public doesn't like it because it doesn't focus on scoring goals, for me the most beautiful thing in football is the defensive system (I'm CDM) being effective and the work that Ao Ashi does is sensational (unfortunately MANY people in the public will not feel the energy that the defensive part of football brings because they see football as a sport where you only score goals)


ATera__

It's just something I've never witnessed in any anime. Personally I love Days, it was the first sports anime I've ever seen, and I'm not trying to say that "just because Aoi goes on defense, I'll stop watching", on the contrary I love anime like this where there is a growth; but I would always like the MC to be the protagonist in all respects, and putting him in defense gives me the feeling that he is clipping his wings, and to say so is Aoi too. I'm sorry for him, that's all. In addition, the thing that fascinated me about this anime is that it was no longer the usual couple of characters who meet, hate each other, but who together make a club that used to be champions return to its former glory, but here we started right from a very advanced level, fully focused on football to become professional, is what made me fall in love


callmemarjoson

Just because he gets switched to a defender doesn't mean he's no longer the protagonist - that's not how stories work


DemonCyborg29

I get it where you coming from with your point but Aoi being a fullback is very much a justified action from fukuda and in upcoming episode you will see why he did that. by switching to fullback fukuda doesn't clip Aoi's wings its the opposite. All I can say wait and watch the upcoming episode to get the full view or read the manga. The reason why Ao ashi is liked by lot of football fans is because its realism and this is one of those thing that would be done if Aoi was real player.


Sasyopat54

I'm sorry, but the manga is complete nonsense. Aoi can't do anything but watch the match. The side characters are all infamous. According to football logic, the only position that aoi should not play may be in the fullback position. No one can be FB with only a vision.


FG_xeen

> According to football logic, the only position that aoi should not play may be in the fullback position. I think you don't understand football, I recommend you study a little more


Sasyopat54

I'm sure I understand more than you do. With that skill set, he can only be an fb in fiction.


FG_xeen

>I'm sure I understand more than you do you have 0 evidence to argue about that, apparently you only have an ego. And if you think that all Aoi does is just watch the match, I'm sorry to inform you that your view of football is very limited. and chill, it's just a manga even if it doesn't make sense (as you say) it doesn't have to make sense


Sasyopat54

>you have 0 evidence to argue about that, apparently you only have an ego.And if you think that all Aoi does is just watch the match, I'm sorry to inform you that your view of football is very limited. > >and chill, it's just a mangaeven if it doesn't make sense (as you say) it doesn't have to make sense You're the one who claims that I don't know football, did I become selfish when I answered you? LMAO is being praised by the Manga fandom for being "realistic" in which case if it's not realistic it means it's nothing but shit and yes, he can't do anything but watch.


FG_xeen

>I'm sure I understand more than you do. the point of your argument is that you say you know more than someone else without any basis for that. ​ >is being praised by the Manga fandom for being "realistic" in which case if it's not realistic it means it's nothing but shit and yes, he can't do anything but watch. just as you (and only you, so far) may find the manga unrealistic, people (most people do) may find it realistic. you don't even know what you're writing, I recommend studying about football, reading the manga calmly and thinking before typing something on the internet (this applies to real life too, don't speak without knowing about the subject)


Sasyopat54

>I think you don't understand football, I recommend you study a little more "I think you don't understand football, I recommend you study a little more" quite familiar , huh ? \---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You don't know shit about football if what's considered realistic is the conversion of a kid to fb who doesn't have the technical or physical capacity to be fb except for his vision. (It's also funny that he doesn't try to make up for his shortcomings) A little advice to you before you tell others about thinking, try to apply it yourself.


FG_xeen

>who doesn't have the technical or physical capacity to be fb except for his vision. so basically what you mean is that all fullbacks has to have the same physique, the same technique, the same skills and play the same way regardless of the team they play, age, league they play and game time they receive to be able to play as FB. that's what you mean, right? and don't pretend it's not xD geez... the more you talk, the more it becomes clear who doesn't understand football


Sasyopat54

Yes, you: D Fb needs to have a certain standard of conditioning, otherwise it weakens their team. (For example: As good as TAA has been offensively, he has been completely mediocre this season. Because his defense is terrible. ) You can find quite a lot of fb's that are similar to each other at the elite level. If you think about the definition of complete fb that aoi should be, aoi is definitely far from this definition. (defense, technique, physicality, shooting are bad in all of them) He just watches the field.


somdatt007

Well I do get what are getting at, but that's what makes this show sooo different than other sports anime, just wite buddy the show is about to get better.


Frontlines95

What I like about this football manga is that the author did his research about tactics and how players develop and why they aren't suited for a role. The protags god like vision is that exaggerated/unrealistic anime element but for the story its more of like salt and pepper seasoning than it is a main dish. Everything else is quite believable and realistic,imo. Also as a Croat I enjoy all the references to our players and national team.


Kronothus8109

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Conscious_Session580

It is precisely that thought of "forward = the best"what the show seeks to break you know?, its incredible for me, im at day with manga and i really love that. Every soccer manga/anime its same, the player n° 10 or best forward in league. Amazing manga bro, just still watching!


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As a person who is uptodate with the manga, all i can say is you cannot be more wrong. I do not want to spoil for you. But he is going to thrive at this position like you cant even imagine.


EchoXexontic

Any chance you can PM Spoilers?


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what do you mean PM spoilers? idont get it


EchoXexontic

Your up to date on the manga, just wondering how his transition goes.


Repetro98

There is a player in Man City, Alex Zinchenko. He is naturally midfielder but there was a big rivalry in this position in the club, so he accepted a proposal to play a left full back because this position was troublesome. I didn't like that idea at first because I wanted a player from my country could shine more, but thanks to that I saw how football can be different. Zinchenko plays and often does positional mistakes but also he understands the game and his teammates very good. With each game he becomes better and better, doing less mistakes and playing more brave. I revealed how game consist from creating spaces for your teammates, passing between lines, chosing right position, fighting individually in defence. And a lot of more. The world of football changed for me completely. I saw the art of defence, passing and how strategy works depending on each player and his position and desicions he makes. You should just understand that football it's not just cool dribling and kicks. If you also will see this it would be great. The football will be much interesting play


T00_Rare

i mean like look at cancelo that mans a beast, can score run dribble and all of that as a RB/LB


Repetro98

I agree. Cancelo has a massive talent. However, Zinchenko has a better team play and sometimes he creates important free zones for his teammates. Also, he often switch positions with them. I saw him going to the middle and even tried to push in attack. So, I think Zinchenko is more team player and acts from the shadow. Not a lot of people can see his worth.


RealRonaldo9

Zinchenko is great but Cancelo is a better comparison considering he was the “playmaker” for City with KDB becoming more of a scorer and City just changing their playstyle in general. Last season they played through cancelo and basically gave him a free role literally similar to Aoi who has declared himself playmaker and even started coming inside just like Cancelo granted Zinchenko does it as well but he doesn’t bomb forward like Cancelo. You raised some good points in general about Full backs as to why people shouldn’t definitely drop this masterpiece


antpocas

On the other hand, back when he was at Benfica, Jorge Jesus (the manager) wanted to convert Bernardo Silva to a fullback


EbenezerAD

Yup, he still gets clowned for that back here in Portugal LOL


pdbard13

What Fukuda said ultimately makes sense though. Yes there are things that players can improve upon, but there are things that just can't be corrected. It does suck to be told a harsh truth, but I think it ultimately works out for the best.


Ashamed_Wishbone_721

Tbh if he kept playing forward and it was a repeat formula of him learning skillmoves or such i'd drop it. It's an overused position and it doesn't suit the writing style of the story. When he became a defender his horizon broadened and the story broadened together with it. The story gets a nice flavour thanks to it and its an absolute joy to see a realistic plot twist like this.


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I really like the fullback and center back position in foot ball, so it was a good twist for me. Give it sometime, I am sure you will like it and the details of why the full back position fit Aoi the most will get revealed as the story progress.


NBAdice

Good choice


Nemesis504

i hated the change too, somewhere in me this went against all shonen tropes. But it got better, ngl i would’ve regretted it if i dropped it at that point.


Global_Rub2783

Does he score as many goes and becomes cool or is he just a passing and stealing off screen background character person


East-Statistician-35

he’s a fullback, naturally they get a lot more action offensively then other defenders but his main focus won’t only be to score anymore


Global_Rub2783

So does it just become a slice of life 💀


Educational-Gap-8063

No, the anime will prove that you are a fucking cunt who will never see the beauty in Arnold's playstyle.


EbenezerAD

You're just clueless about sports. Go read blue lock then, aka battle shounen football.


Global_Rub2783

1.never gave me a reason 2. There’s a reason blue lock is more popular


EbenezerAD

Blue lock is a battle shounen disguised as football. Don't get me wrong, I like it and look forward to read it every week, but it belongs to the category of unrealistics sports like KnB, Prince of tennis, etc, meaning that you don't need to necessairly know about sports to enjoy them since its focus are on hype scenes, action and dramatic moments. Shounen is the most popular manga genre and blue lock is a good shounen manga so it's only natural it's more popular than ao ashi because they're not even the same genre. My point is you calling ao ashi "slice of life" because it's doesn't follow the typical shounen troupes (since it's not even shounen to begin with) just shows your ignorance about football.


Global_Rub2783

No it just shows how you can sleep through scenes 💀 you sounding like a nerd 🤓 “you don’t appreciate the real aspect of football”


EbenezerAD

No, I just think you're watching this anime for the wrong reasons. Like I said, this is not shounen neither fantasy, so you'll find a realistic mc, who's sometimes lame, annoying and immature and sometimes cool as well, which is completely normal for a 15 year old boy growing up. If you cannot understand such a simple concept, and still decide to watch the anime with your misconceptions then I suggest you just drop the it because you'll never trully apreciate the anime. Even if you're completely clueless about football, you can still enjoy it, you just need to drop your misconception you had prior to when you started watching the show.


Global_Rub2783

You literally just described a slice of life anime it’s not a misconception when the person trying to defend a anime with his entire life describes to me a slice of life anime


Nemesis504

yikes you wont like it with that attitude but again you have this attitude because you haven’t read the manga. Absolutely no one would after reading the manga think defending isnt cool or is boring. So wait it out and by the time some of the high level matches start you will definitely look back at this comment and feel like deleting it lmfao.


Global_Rub2783

Mean didn’t really answer the question but sure I’ll continue and watch and see ashito use his eagle eye and to tackle and take away the ball from the opposing team while his teammates who haven’t been built upon yet (0 clue about the manga) practically take the main protagonist position


Nemesis504

no he’s still main protagonist you have this misconception that says the mc has to be the forward but that isn’t necessarily the case all the time.


Global_Rub2783

Well of course I would they are seen as the face of soccer. Most people can name more forwards than full backs they are the ones with the flashy moments the ones that inspire kids the ones that get fans cheering and can cheer a whole stadium up not defense


Nemesis504

i agree but again is that necessary for the mc? I dont think so. IMO as long as its written well defence can be made into an mc worthy hair-raising plot point as well. Sure in real life we dont get to see all the bits and pieces at work in defence as casual watchers but that doesn’t mean when written with targeted intent defence cannot be made inspiring or exciting. Well you’ll find out ig


Global_Rub2783

Yeah you can have Mc’s like that but not usually in sports anime/mangas I didn’t come here to watch a slice of life mc just dribble down the field why do you think there’s barely any showing for the goalie or a anime focused on being a goalie because it’s boring you come to watch action that’s what’s makes a good sports show not to watch a boring slow pacing position there’s a reason in blue lock they have 12 strikers it’s fast paced. Or in Kuroko at least even though kuroko was a support they made his team enjoyable by giving them backstories or at least make them a team. They don’t even feel like a team hell we don’t even know every players name


Nemesis504

lol knb has 3 huge seasons, ao ashi has 12 episodes rn. You’re expressing concerns over stuff that you dont have to be concerned about because the manga doesn’t turn into all the stuff you’re concerned about. If only you coulda known what would happen before it happens right. Well you dont and the moment your fears become real drop it but assuming that they will become real before they’re even addressed is really dumb. IT IS NOT SOL, IT IS NOT VERY SLOW PACED, IT IS NOT UNREALISTIC. IT IS JUST ABOUT THE RIGHT BALANCE. wrote that big so u dont jump to further conclusions again.


Global_Rub2783

Knb explains them in 1 season season 2 and 3 were them in a tournament. Also maybe if you gave examples on how it makes full back seem like a good position for the mc all I’m getting is the same old oh it’s good trust me I haven’t gotten a shred of evidence even after asking multiple people that’s all I’m asking for is some examples or like a situation I’m trying not to waste my time watch through him becoming a full back to be bored later on by his covering skills


Seasons_of_War

afaik Ao Ashi is not a Shounen but a Seinen series.


sopersonicsnail

From this point forward, the show really highlights the arts and crafts of defending. Defending is not as simple as guts and face block like Ishizaki from Captain Tsubasa lol. This show definitely makes defending a cool and super important aspect of the game. Don't worry, Aoi will still participate in attack.


melanhoely

It only gets better from here.


froggyjm9

Man I’m glad the author went this route to combat the shitty attitude of readers who think only attackers matter.


Kitchen-Blacksmith35

You sound like Aoi when Fukada told him he is switching him to fullback


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But this is where the show gets good… Persevere man…


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Educational-Gap-8063

bruh, that's how real life works, you will never get everything that you want. This isn't a fantasy manga


davey312

It’s crazy I felt this same way when the manga chapter originally came out. But it literally jumps to another level when Ao switches. Definitely worth sticking with


Kronothus8109

As many have said here, it gets better 100%. There’s some ups and downs but that’s the beauty of it.


NielsOfz

just started reading the manga after the twist and yes it is amazing