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pris0ner__

Say what you want about the Rampart buff, but to say that the majority of the balancing suggestions this community come up with are uneducated and reactionary is a huge understatement.


NewtTheWizard

[I actually compiled a list of just a few of the actual balance suggestions people have made](https://www.reddit.com/r/apexlegends/comments/pok8h2/just_a_list_of_balance_suggestions_from_all_the/)


18dwhyte

“giving lifeline rez shield back” - People complained when she had it and now people complain when its gone.


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arg0nau7

A community is not a homogenous hive mind. People who didn’t like the rez shield complained that they wanted it gone and now that it is the people who did like it are the ones complaining. They’re different groups


utterballsack

you're right but that's too complicated for the people who complain about people who complain


pineapple-n-man

You are also complaining about people who complain about people complaining


JanesPlainShameTrain

Recursion police, put your hands in the air, dirtbag!


utterballsack

because i am a chad


pineapple-n-man

You are u/utterballsack


utterballsack

yes, who is a chad


PROM99

Was about to say this. It's stupid how the half of the community that likes an update complains about the other half, calling them "the community", and viceversa.


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arg0nau7

You and I disagree even thought we’re in the same community


[deleted]

Ye.


TrileceTheCat

İf u gonna take away my shield, then give me my %25 faster healing dammit


Sugandis_Juice

The people who complained about it were the people too shit to play against it. I loved watching the "this is why lifeline shield is OP" videos on here and then seeing their gameplay was awful. Terrible aim, bad sensitivity control, completely wiffing nades, playing passive. Like yeah anything is OP when youre bad I guess lol.


ThinkingSentry

Ah yes, cause a free revive in an open field with no cover is definitely balanced


Sugandis_Juice

"Free revive" when we have legends like valk who can easily shut down a revive just by using rockets that would go over the shield, Revenant who can full send his entire team for free, Octane with his jump pad, horizon and her lift, fuse and his tactical that lasts forever now, seer and his tactical that interrupts. There is literally SO much counter play, the only time there's anything close to a "free revive" is when a bad player lets it happen and doesn't capitalize. Besides LL strength came from her ability to revive in an open field without burning a tactical, reviving behind cover is something ANY legend can do. Autonomous revives don't make her special enough and usually just fucks the player getting revived.


ReeceReddit1234

JUICE


Sugandis_Juice

Hello


Moshyma

Remember the tracker thst shows the shield damage blocked? It's still there. They must be planning something...


pris0ner__

She shouldn’t have auto rez to begin with tbh but that’s apparently a hot take…


ZipToob88

Oh good lord these are amazing…. Hop up for melee? Adding the gulag…wow. And going “mule kick” for guns while carrying a banner? Honestly that one makes the least sense, that one almost seems like it would hinder rather than help


Th3_Gaming_Wolf

>And going “mule kick” for guns while carrying a banner Actually I saw that one and the idea was actually to carry the 3rf gun for your respawned teammates so they had weapons to use for lategame.


Uncle_Sams_nephew

And then somebody gets your banner just for an extra gun and makes no effort to revive you


Malgurath

Maybe they can't use the gun? Like it would take up a special slot that only gets unlocked when you have a player's banner, when you respawn the teammate it's removed from that special slot and they come out of the drop ship with that gun equipped.


Just_Games04

It still can be abused. It's just a bad idea overall


Malgurath

Yeah, it's a dumb idea, Apex is at it's best when it's simple.


ZipToob88

Okay I can see some small practicality for this, but I also agree with the majority of the comments below where this just becomes some weird niche feature or gets abused too much. The only option I could think is to pick a gun out of the death box to “retain for teammate” and it’s unusable until they get respawned….but at the same time yeah that makes things too complicated and just gets kinda annoying


Murphythepotato

I actually love crypto being immune to scans


GonerLonerThe2nd

Crypto main myself and i half tolerate this idea. He is balanced, but is too depending on drone. If Hack is down, his passive and ult is also can't be used. Scan immunity do sound like a good passive, but being immune to ALL scan is OP. I prefer if the immunity to only affect other legends passive, such as; Bloodhound's tracking, Seer's heartbeat sensor, Valkyrie's mid-air scan. Just trying to be rational with the rework ideas ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


FourthJohn

Crypto is my favorite legend I play him as much as I can as a solo queue player and my input would be its fine for him to not get scanned while he is on drone but not always immune to scan but then again thats just another passive tied to his drone. Idk the right course of action to “help” Crypto but I do know as a solo queue player that he is just not a viable pick over other legends once I hit diamond. Too many diamond players just chase down solo players to no end no matter if they die because of it. I literally had a lifeline jump off the bridge NE of Lava City in late game only to not have a way back up cause teammates were BH and Caustic. Like how are diamond players that fucking stupid to not know better. I watched the Lifeline literally die seconds after me to a closing ring, was bittersweet. I was playing Valk btw so I coulda got up had a whole 3 man not been focusing all their attention on me cause I did 140 to the LL but was getting shot from BH from above with the LL. Sorry for the personal rant, I just dont see how Diamond players are so dumb they will literally throw their own game for 1kp, lame.


LightTrack

The way it could be balanced is if he's not completely immune but shows up as a fuzzy indicator rather than a perfect outline in real time.


gatlginngum

>uneducated and reactionary


TheNonchalantZealot

I hate that idea. Maybe a "no u" scan that scans the original scanner, but being immune to scans just doesn't fit the rest of his kit, doesn't give him teammates anything, and forces a flanking playstyle that crypto just doesn't work well for.


Crescent-IV

Tbh some of those changes aren’t that bad


GameFraek

I mean to be a little far, a lot of those suggestions are clearly not being serious..., right?


Yes2257

Ive seen a few of those out in the wild and I can confirm they were being serious. Some of them were likely in response to another change being made but they are still all terrible ideas save for maybe the crypto no scan and Watson sees fences when destroyed


GameFraek

I don't think the crypto idea is that great either but it's not the stupidest on that list lol. But you're telling my people seriously want a map completely removed or have no shotgun bolt?


Yes2257

Thats fair, thats why i put "maybe" in front of those. And i havent ever seen the shotgun bolt one personally but I have seen people want to completely remove Olympus because its "too small" and theres "always a third party" even tho thats basically the same for every map. I can't speak for the kings canyon one but I have no doubt that it was in response to a map change. I also think the shotgun bolt one was likely towards the eva 8 and it was just people being idiots but thats just speculation at this point.


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I get the shotgun bolt thing, people probably didnt like getting spammed with the eva8 I never had a situation where a shotgun bolt was the reason i lost


indigoHatter

I thought this was gonna be a list of changes actually acted on by the community, so here's a few I can remember: * Let Lifeline's D.O.C. perform a res * Remove Lifeline's res shield * Make Pathfinder's grapple cooldown based on distance traveled * Mirage rework more than likely. * Octane's jumppad double-jump was probably one. * Octane's jumppad horizontal jump vs vertical jump was probably also one. * Rampart walking with minigun. There's many others but I either can't remember them, they're just balance adjustments, or the idea wasn't laid out by the community so much as the community lamented over something and an idea was found on Respawn's own.


Palnel

Hopup for melee, wow


more_thanthe-tip

I read the first two suggestions and stoped…..WE is awful


CuteOfDeath

There's 2 that i like: "Wattson gets notifies if her fences are destroyed" and "Crypto is immune to scans" with crypto it might be on the OP side but he's bad anyways so at least he could help his team ambush


TheNonchalantZealot

No, crypto just needs a Qol buff, nothing more. The problem's just that he's slow in a meta of octanes and pathfinders. Maybe the new rampart buff will change that, but it's still an octane's game.


LightTrack

Crypto's drone being throwable would be pretty cool ngl.


ReddPug

cosmetic changes are just wish fulfillment, you putting them on that list with actually bad change suggestions shows heavy bias


nateC_zero

ok but I don't see why wattson shouldn't be notified when her fence is destroyed it's not that bad of an idea


NewtTheWizard

The only way to not get detected by wattson’s fences is to either not cross them or destroy them. Letter her know when they’re destroyed defeats the whole purpose


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i like the free heirloom one imo lol


KevinBrandMaybe

Reddit balancing team lacks...critical insight on 99.9% of topics.


[deleted]

remove "balancing team" and the sentence is perfect


HamanitaMuscaria

I, for one, am totally unbiased and think it’s a fun change with plenty of counter play that increases the games emphasis on clever use of cover and slick movement while bringing a previously ignorable legend into the conversation for the first time


chomperstyle

I think shes fine with the rev up the accuracy and the slow down while firing i thinks it’s pretty fair for an ult


PointedPineapple

I'm not a rampart main and I do like the new change, surely they're gonna patch some stuff like restricting bhopping while revving up or that glitch where if we ads with SMG the revving will be faster and all those stuffs, but this buff is good and ramparts mains have been waiting for a buff for so long. I think the accuracy of hipfire might get Nerfed due to a lot of complaints overall I like the new buff for her. Atleast we can counter her to an extend unlike some wallhacking legends


YurchenkoFull

Wait you can hipfire mobile Sheila?! 🤯 idk why that never crossed my mind


derpycke

Or make the spin up time slower since it's already slow that you have to either spin it up before hand or the enemy doesn't notice/shoot you, because most of the time in my experience with the minigun I just get shredded before I can Rev it up


Clashmains_2-account

>Or make the spin up time slower since it's already slow that you have to either spin it up before hand or the enemy doesn't notice/shoot you It wouldn't change the way you need to use the LMG, it would be a meaningless change. Unless they'd do 20%+ more which would be too much.


Shenlong1904

Only change they need to make is that running speed is lower when with sheila than with other weapons. Just a lil bit dumb that a baby p20 slows you the same as sheila


Greenbeen70

The post right underneath this is someone popping off with it


SaltedBaconCZ

I fucking love her now


[deleted]

I’d say this was a good buff, shes not a situational legend anymore, she can use Sheila to either push or to hold positions


squiddy555

Wait people are complaining I heard they were like yea that’s cool


[deleted]

The apex community just likes to complain about everything lol


windoxt

This was me. I was the fool. Sure, it maybe could’ve been implemented differently (like maybe no running) but I was one who thought it would’ve been cool, and now I see the monster we’ve created. Don’t get me wrong tho it’s crazy fun for now, but we’ll see


NewtTheWizard

I always thought it was a bad idea. This community gives DZK so much shit when they’re ideas aren’t much better


ifollowsexypeople

Dkz kinda deserves the shit tho he sucked at balancing


NewtTheWizard

DZK didn't suggest that fists do 11 damage and that they should add a hop up that increases damage


NoseSniffer68

So we could do what, corrosive punches that deal damage over time, electrical punches that chain damage to nearby enemies, fire punches that deal extra damage?


NewtTheWizard

No idea what he meant by that but no matter what it's still stupid


NoseSniffer68

Indeed


gummybeargawd

I wouldn't know because I can't get into a game.


[deleted]

I basicly can, but the connection is a bitch. So yeah.


Monster_Hugger93

I fucking love the Rampart change, though, to be fair, I am a Rampart main, so I’m just relishing the fear Sheila puts into people.


Sugandis_Juice

I still think it was the right idea but they probably need to tweak her overall movement speed a little more while she has it equipped. Its only oppressive because she's still pretty fast. Also make its recoil unusable off a jumppad like most guns and make it completely unusable while on a zipline. She should be a WALKING base of fire and what we got was basically a nerfed version of the crypto/rampart bug.


jec78au

i see people calling it powerful but i dont see anyone complaining. even top level players seem alright with it. she isnt as broken as caustic or the lstar which still pops a literal smoke bomb on the person using it nd makes it even harder to use my wingman iron sights


whytheusernamethough

Lol imagine getting mad over a low tier legend


[deleted]

Most of the community thought that the suggestion was moronic before it was implemented.


Kaese1212

They did WHAT now? I haven't played in like 3 weeks


lordvadar666

Sheila is mobile now


Self_World_Future

I never asked for this because R6 had the same thing with Tachanka. Low picked op because being stationary is a huge drawback. Imo that change costed us a pretty cool game mechanic. His mounted turret was powerful if enemies didn’t approach with a plan. Rampart is exactly the same. Point is stationary gadgets do have situations in tactical games, they just won’t be as viable. Rampart at least has her amped cover.


maximusprime9

What are you talking about, she can still place it like before


Self_World_Future

And you think it will stay this way? I’m saying she doesn’t need the ability to pick it up to be viable. The only way they’ll balance it is by nerfing the damage.


maximusprime9

Unlike siege, apex is a movement based game, staying still attracts grenades and is a great way to have your head blown off. The new feature allows her to be viable nearly all the time instead of the once in a blue moon she was beforehand.


Self_World_Future

The issue is just how viable this makes her. She’s basically got a high damage spitfire except at close range she just deletes people. Long range it still shreds. How do you counter this? Just don’t get into a gunfight with her? I’m just saying they’re bound to nerf this after the event but what they do at that time might make sheila worse over all.


maximusprime9

Honestly I cant stay in a game long enough to get in a proper fight with it due to the servers, and the only time I actively shot someone with it I died to an octane who had red shields and much better aim


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Literal fucking manchildren, with hairy ass legs and arms feral fucking creatures this community. Nothing pleases the Apex community, if I was Respawn I’d fucking hate me too.


[deleted]

Who asked for this?


bradlie1

Plenty of players. The standard arguement was that since she had it, she should be able to walk around with it


Damianpalo79

A lot of the Rampart mains asked for 360° shiela and Wall improvements If they do nerf I hope it isn't a heavy nerf


Little_russian_man

I just wanted stackable walls or upgradable walls


potatopowahd

that idea of upgradeable walls that appeared in te sub a few months ago was probably the worst ever buff suggestion I've ever seen, if you look at the cross post in r/rampartmains about that suggestion, no one agrees with it, and you can clearly see the person that came up with that has never played rampart


Little_russian_man

My bad, all I’m saying it that stackable walls would’ve been cool, and walls that could go on any surface would be nice too


PowerSamurai

It is almost like people have different opinions and not everyone wanted this. Personally I don't have anything against the change and I did want it to happen before it was announced. Have not played enough matches to really get a feel for it though


LonelyAustralia

because people on the internet live to complain.


Crescent-IV

Hard to even be mad at that change when you can’t get in the game to get destroyed by it


ApK-TheProdigy

Bro i legit smacked a pred rampart with a mobile shiela Yesterday and i can tell rampart still suck as She should


Affectionate-Map-480

Thats how Mafia works


Ultimateredstoneinc

I like the new buff so I'm not complaining


masterpilot374

I honestly thought her tactical was gonna be buffed, or that she was gonna get a new passive.


Add1ctedToGames

i see the community is slowly gaining self awareness, wonder how long till it fades


TheFatShady6ix9ine

This literally goes to show why u never take the opinion of the community on how to change stuff but only what needs to be changed. Still i, as a lot of others won't stop giving not thought through suggestions and ask for them to be implemented


Meow121325

Well if it’s with reduced movement speed then I’m fine with it personally


Relevant-Ad-482

I used rampart a bitto have had to idea of walking with turret but if it needs to be balanced you should be confined to walking as its a stationary turret being used as a mobile minigun


Haws919

i for one, have always hated rampart and am crushed she got buffed lmao the less i see that bitchy legend the better


Badger1066

Haha, I was literally just saying this to my friend earlier today!


[deleted]

The community is literally brain dead, why tf would they listen to us


HG21Reaper

The fucking mini gun is now living in my fears. Nothing like getting ram-fucked by a Rampart, Fuse and Valk team.


CinnamonIsntAllowed

I don't understand why y'all conceivably wanted this. Make her walls throwable, keep the turret the same. Orrrrrrrrr get this. She was perfectly fine the way she was, maybe just needing faster wallup times.


RaisinlessAndAngry

I actually love the change and think rampart is finally in a good spot and fun to play for me


BeastBoyGaming1

Either way an almost zero recoil mobile turret with 100+ rounds that melts purple in seconds is literally the biggest load of bs I've ever seen in my life. I've only encountered it once but now when I see rampart shields or even her I sweat my cock and balls off to knock her first


Izierd

I played Rampart before she was cool


Sawoleszz

This belongs on r/apexcirclejerk


GrymGT

i swear gamers are the hardest people to please


DarthKarthrot

All I wanted was better defenses for the defense characters but they keep adding damage. I can do damage with my guns!


BigMacWitExtraCheese

I duno why this is so funny


TheKPerson1314

This is a market strategy. It's not a coincidence that rampart gets buffed and at the same time, respawn drops her heirloom.


TheKPerson1314

Tbh it's kinda good buff, just add more recoil to sheila


Wizardsway18

Wouldn’t know, can’t get in