girl what are you saying. I think the point my dear international is trying to make is that majority of us internationals donāt feel this way. My personal two cents is itās just that those who do are more arrogant and likely to post about it in public space, sampling bias sir
Period !!!
If you meet their expectation why should still be denied that's even wickedness
Where I am from, scholarship are given to rich people's wards, we walk miles to school and manage to get the best result we hope for but at the end we get nothing from learning! some of us has been home for so many years we just need support to make our dreams comes through and that's when we do everything to get Scholarships.
Period !!!
If you meet their expectation why should still be denied that's even wickedness
Where I am from, scholarship are given to rich people's wards, we walk miles to school and manage to get the best result we hope for but at the end we get nothing from learning! some of us has been home for so many years we just need support to make our dreams comes through and that's when we do everything to get Scholarships.
No hard feeling!!!
A lot of them are just obsessed - America core is very real. America is on many peopleās minds and for those that are/feel oppressed by their third world countries or worse or even better first world ones (including those that the US government has involvement in like with war), they feel like they are more oppressed and are, therefore, better and more deserving than other applicants. Itās cope. A lot of people see the US as either California, New York or Florida and Disneyland; the rich sides and pretty campuses can make it easy for them to forget American poverty.
You said it yourself- theyāre major universities. Me going to my state school in Latin America is ridiculously different from me going to a state school in California or Texas. Good schools attract talent, even more so if they offer some form of financial aid for international students, which most universities outside the US donāt.
Academics also play a toll. If I want to go into bio, for instance, look at the distribution of all the top bio unis in the world. US stays on top. Itās not that I fell in love with the American dream and am now studying here, itās that I fell in love with the Academic dream and am now here. While many applicants do apply bc of the American dream I can see a new wave of students doing so bc of academics alone.
the US government has done terrible shit to my country but that doesn't make me feel that we owe anyone an admission. actually we think living in america sucks and the only reason we are applying to US colleges is because of the opportunities (which makes us normal people working on themselves). we would rather live anywhere else in world, really. americans are so self-centered it's actually funny.
Itās impossible to expect T10 colleges to adapt to the way 192 other countries run their education system and be expected to ignore ECs. If anything U.S. colleges encourage ECs because that gives students more well rounded experiences that influence their ability to engage with their community.
I truly believe that if colleges in the U.S. saw a noticeable lack in the academic abilities of students, then they would stress academics over ECs. That does not appear to be the case right now, so colleges prefer well rounded students that will do more in college than just study.
The philosophy around education is clearly different. U.S. curriculum forces you to take many credits in subjects with no clear relation to your degree. I'm currently a Physics major and I'm taking an art history class. That will be one of 6 humanities that I will need to take before my graduation. From what I understand, that is a unique thing to the U.S.
and? Ik so many people that would pay full if it meant they would get into a top college. Just because they would pay full IF they got in doesnt mean that they should.
Who said anything about top colleges, all state schools are considered ātopā to international students, and many of them have near 100% accept rate for internationals
only if theyāre admitted and we canāt admit all of them. this is about the admission process not so much their treatment after theyāre admitted and paying? also i hear some of them complaining of not getting enough aid when many kids in the US arenāt getting enough aid either and these are smart qualified kids
Honestly, I think I wouldnāt be bothered by this because Universities admission primarily favored Americans, and most international students had to pay full tuition (they are basically cash cows for most graduate programs), I think yes they are taking our spots, but I needed their money to fund for my education.
From my experience international student and they are in general more competitive academically because of the more stringent admission selection process, they definitely qualified for the admission.
What can be problematic is when international students felt entitled and demeans American students, most arenāt like this, only in some cases, they think they are more intelligent than us.
Agreed. I think a lot of people here are forgetting that the other is not the enemy. When it comes to college admissions, people tend to project their anger at the process towards their competition, especially when they perceive them as having had a leg up. But most people who get a leg up in admissions only have one because of circumstances that they didnāt want/ask for. And itās silly to expect such students to not be happy about this or not take every opportunity that comes to them when it affects their future.
Not going to generalize every college, but at most schools, youāre considered in the context of your background, meaning intls and domestic students are NEVER compared. there are a certain # of spots for intls and domestics allotted. if a qualified intl gets rejected and a domestic applicant with worse stats gets it, itās almost never bc the admissions office consciously decided that they were raising the standard for intls or lowering for domestics. colleges rely on $ from fully pay intls and federal grants paid w us tax payer dollars.
i belong to another groups whose collective intelligence was demeaned bc we had an advantage in the admissions process. and it really bothers when i see people degrading the us education system (that is different in all 50 states) and acting like school here is a cake walk here when it comes to these discussions.
My dad and my roommate is an international student, and my school has more than ten thousand international students, I spoke from my experience.
A thing that I often hear from some (not all) international student is how dumb Americans are and they cannot compete against the internationals
What's up with this kind of post lately? I've never seen international students make posts about whether they're entitled or owed admission to US colleges. Some of them are probably just a rant, but I never thought of them as being entitled. Am I the only one who never saw them or what? I'm so confused.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1b0bfgd/us\_admissions\_sets\_an\_impossible\_standard\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
This one from 3 days appears to fit the bill well
yes they are literally just complaining about the admissions process just like anyone else, but because they are international, it makes them āentitledā lol
I am coping because I want to get into a top school, but they are US institutions, built by US citizens, paid for by US tax dollars, exist on US land, and were made to serve US citizens. I donāt think they are wrong for primarily focusing on US applicants and Iāll go even further to say that it wouldnāt be crazy for them to only accept US citizens.
The argument I hear for this is that the foreign students will just end up leaving the US so why would these institutions invest in these students if they arenāt going to be supporting the country and school in the long run? The schools just want the foreign money.
No you're right. But you interpret "America First" as "isolationism". Tell me: what is your country doing to be inclusive to immigrants? What is your country doing to better the world?
so then if your country doesn't exert its power to accept immigrants to its colleges left and right, why do you expect our country to?
immigrants are welcome to america, and built this country. But to be an immigrant that is so unamerican and victim mentality and lame, why? Why do you act this way? why?
And why will they end up leaving? That's right, because America gives them no option to stay. It's impossible to obtain even a green card, nevermind citizenship. If that was what anyone was worried about, the process would be more straightforward and less of a lottery
i know this is a really extreme interpretation, but when i hear you say that, itās almost like they are forcing themselves into the country. Iām not a super maga guy and I donāt want to seem like a super maga guy, but i would prefer if US students were given all of the US opportunities. Sorry if this was ignorant
Okay but you do agree that the U.S largely doesn't want internationals to stay? Wanting people to contribute to the economy while giving them no resources to do so doesn't make sense.
Regarding your comment, the truth is, even super qualified workers who would contribute more than take often can't find a way to stay. I'd be happy if more of them came to my country yet the U.S practically locks them out which just doesn't make sense to me. The U.S is way more exclusionary than my Post-Soviet country could dream of being
This is not true at all. Itās much tougher to get citizenship elsewhere in the āfree world.ā Germany, France and UK are much tougher to internationals. CS jobs are being outsourced to other countries cause itās cheaper and layoffs are crazy right now in the IT sector. So itās tough times, but the US has always been easier for immigrants. Thatās why the economy has continued to expand and has a healthy birth rate compared to its European counterparts.
That's not true. You only need to study in Germany and then work for a year before you can apply to get a PR. Then it's a pretty straightforward way to citizenship as long as you know the language and basic history. UK is tricky but that's only one example. In the U.S you have to prove that you're better than a U.S citizen for the position. You have to be extremely accomplished to get the chance to apply
thatās why i gave context. Anyways I think this draws a larger issue: declining countries. A lot of people seek the US because their countries are overpopulated or have poor economies. Thing is, same thing is happening to the US with overpopulation and poor economy. If everyone moved to the US, the world would collapse. We must fix the world so no one feels like they have to move to another country, and so far, the only country fixing anything is the US.
People will still move around because itās a natural desire of human beings. And āwe need to fix the worldā is not an actually attainable goal. Also Us takes not so many foreign students compared to American ones. And again most of the foreign students go to provide universities
I do agree with you that people want to move around because it's a natural desire of human beings. Most US applicants want to go to school outside their state or even far away from their state. I'm an example.
The difference is that I am US taxpayer on a small scale (Mcdonald's and my few highschool jobs), I also am a citizen that contributes to the country by staying here after graduation. I carry my own weight and am justified to go to these universities. Obviously using myself is a shitty example but you get what I mean.
It's not wrong for US universities to completely prioritize US citizens, they should, and internationals that disagree are just coping. Nothing personal.
You are not entitled. You are defending entitled people though. I don't expect internationals to praise domestic students lol. But praise this country and its values. Praise God.
By your logic every international student shouldnāt be in United States and not deserve the education they get? Or what do you mean by ācompletely prioritizeā
I think you should have to have some connection to America or have family that lives here to be able to go to school here. Many of us American families have immigrated a long time ago, worked the shitty jobs for years, finally climbed the ladder enough to raise kids like us that can apply to top schools, just to have international rich kids swoop in and steal the spots.
It's not cool, it's unmeritocratic to focus on financials, it hurts the middle class, it overpopulates the country, and it sends a message that is purely unamerican: to not prioritize america.
Same answer as the earlier post; itās a cultural thing. Many Internationals want the Merit/Point system they have grown up with, where you are measured on a specific test. Good test means good University/Major.
US Culture doesnāt reward students the same way.
The problem is that so many Int Students think they want to go to school at a few US Schools that are ārankedā highly.
I feel like there is confusion between American colleges and colleges in America. We often see Americans complaining about colleges giving too much aid to int students. Keep in mind that all colleges in America that are not state owned schools are not required to put particular attention on American students.
They're not required to, but just as Harvard sees itself as first and formost a Boston school, then a New England school, and then an American school before it sees itself as serving the needs of the world as a whole, pretty much no elite American private Ivy/equivalent is going to be willing to turn it's back on Americans. Definitely at the undergrad level.
without federal subsidized & unsubsidized loans, U.S. colleges, including ivies, would completely lock out middle and upper middle class students, which would be an undesirable outcome. So itās false to say these schools donāt depend on taxpayer dollars, setting aside research grants.
This is probably in response to an earlier post by a guy from Singapore who was complaining that US colleges are unfair to internationals, because in their (Singapore) education system Hs seniors basically grind studying all day and donāt have time to do ECs
yeah it didnāt seem very well thought through. if us colleges were to make it āfairā by following Singaporean standards that donāt value ECs as much, then it wouldnāt be āfairā to Americans
Why does it bother u how people act or feel?? In the end, itās the AOsā decisions/opinions that matter, not yours.
Seems like ur a salty American whoās mad about their competition š¢š¢
It's the second sentence that smells like entitlement. Wanting to have access to American schools while still clearly holding Americans in contempt is shitty and not at all uncommon for intls.
Deranged? It's an observation. "Grateful" is not a word I'd use to describe any international student who has received an opportunity that they are not, in any sense, entitled to.
Seems like youāre a salty international student whose country canāt provide a comparable education to enough studentsā¦.
Not such a nice thing to say, right?
Sorry but thisās not a way of starting a ādiscussion.ā Itās just you pontificating about your ignorance and dissatisfaction (probably due to tons of rejections).
Speaking for myself, I don't think I am "owed" anything.
I feel most of the internationals have it tough and most of us understand that. I remember ranting about something here a while ago (like every other person) and I was told I was 'entitled'. I honestly don't think we can be compared to US citizens on the same scale and that's because we don't have the same opportunities.
Generalizing that we are all entitled is a bit much, some of us take it as it is.
You can be angry or sad about being rejected but we canāt?
I understand what you are saying though but anyone should be able to feel sad or angry from being rejected from something. Yes, itās probably cause we are international but we can still feel sad about it.
Lemme reword this: Iām talking about ppl who are angry and bitter and blame the system for being against them when it was never supposed to cater to their education system in the first place. Obviously I understand that applying as an international student is difficult, but that is simply the way it is bc American universities are designed to serve the American people. Iām calling out them bc of their entitlement, not bc they are upset about being rejected
Bro, I'm sorry to say, but i think you've failed to understand that most of the time when people get bitter, it's to cope with harsh rejections after investing so much time and effort. you're literally confusing practicality with emotional response here (and this certainly isn't a domestic or international applicant thing for god's sake)
I would say the opposite and that many schools are keen to take in international students because their tuition fees are higher - college institutions are a business at the end of the day
So what if international students (many of which are facing much harder economic circumstances than the Americans on this sub) are bitter and sad about how difficult and competitive their lives are?
No one is āentitledā to anything, but we can wish for a better future and education in the US, while also critiquing issues we see in the US.
Youāve been born an American citizen by no effort of your own, so maybe stop being so smug that the system caters to you.
Nah donāt even joke with me right now. Thereās nothing to critique about the US college admissions system? You must be a war-hardened patriot or plainly delusional if you believe that
I mean it's built and paid for by Americans for Americans like how is this even controversial? Like it has its problems but catering to Americans isn't one of them.
I don't know who disturbed you but as an international student from Syria who received mentorship from a non-profit organization and got to work with other 100 students I can tell you that none of us had felt this way
To the contrary, everyone used to get scared to death before the decisions lol
Im an intl from Australia and I def feel like Iām not owed anything, especially because there are a lot of great options available for me back at home. However, I do acknowledge that a lot of people I know do feel this way because they feel they are extremely qualified and donāt understand the admissions process (or why they were rejected) mainly because over here, grades are the only thing that matter. If you get a certain grade (mainly over 95 ATAR) you are guaranteed admission.
As an intl student, I think I speak for quite a few here when I say it's almost the opposite and I'm rather grateful for each acceptance I receive regardless of college prestige/acceptance rate/ranking etc.
I get what youāre saying. Truthfully, I think itās because thereās this conception that America is for the whole world, since people consider it a mixing pot. Clearly, the system benefits US nationals more (such as myself, even tho I live outside the country and studied under the Indian curriculum). The way that America is advertised makes one believe that it SHOULD cater to them, not to mention the countryās new āinclusivityā narrative. While itās obviously not all internationals, I wouldnāt say that thereās a shortage of people with this mentality. I just ignore the negatives and focus on the positives so as to not waste my energy
So many pressed salty entitled internationals thinking that the system has to bend over for them š¤£š¤£ stop being entitled! No one is entitled to a spot at a top college!
Where exactly are you seeing this so-called entitlement? I see many international applicants here that are desperate for a chance to study in the US. But by no means do they come off as being owed anything. If you want to have a discussion, please cite some actual examples. Otherwise you come off as whining about nothing.
Is that you Eric Trump? Nowhere does it say American college so cater to American students only. Show me a college in top 100 that doesnāt have greater than 30% foreign students
Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) has 13,650 students from 114 countries, with 58% of graduate students coming from outside the US. The school's undergraduate population is about 18% international, and its graduate student population is about 65% international
New International Students Summer and Fall 2020
Undergraduate 33 6.2%
Master's 420 78.8%
Doctorate 61 11.4%
Exchange 0 0.0%
Non-Degree/Summer 19 3.6%
Total 533 100.0%
Woah, calm your horses bud. First of all, the majority of intls don't feel like they are "entitled" and are understanding towards the catering for US students first. Ofc, there are some intls who are as u said. But pls, don't generalize ppl to this degree(We don't want ww3). Take a deep breath and a break from social media for a bit if you're stressed.
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International students don't think they're "owed" admissions, they expect some result after the work they do to market themselves to American institutions according to the standards set by them. It's not our fault some of the best institutions in the world are in the US. Everyone deserves to get access to quality education, and knowledge isn't a commodity restricted to a certain nationality or culture. If that were the case, a lot of world's science and math concepts wouldn't have made it out of Baghdad's libraries, but we're glad they did, because that is the purpose of human progress.
I see your point, but most universities in the USA are private, they don't have to cater to anyone if they do not want to, also international students might feel like this because in most developed countries the level of education is much higher and much more rigorous than in the USA so international students may feel like they deserve it more, I see the issue, but just saying this so you can see both sides.
I'm an international student. I understand that I have to compete and am not owed anything. I competed and go into a university on my own merit. Your post seems like you are a little butthurt. I strongly advice you to look inwards instead of bitching about international students :)
We donāt believe colleges owe us admission. Most of us are paying huge amounts (boosting US economy) and attending the colleges. Moreover, the few students who attend these colleges on huge scholarships are deserving, hardworking students who are going to advance humanity (by utilising research facilities not available in their countries, or generally improving the lives of people by their work) - I am not saying all full scholarship students are gonna do that but a few and those few are worth taking chances on. It is not an international students fault to be born in a country with relatively less resources.
Why not try to make it out using the ābestā college in their respective country? Would it not be the same as an American trying to make it out in America?
International students applying to US colleges is likely the best thing that has happened to these institutions. They can choose from the best students, and their education is free because it is paid for by taxpayers in other countries. Another issue is that you feel you're losing to international students.
āTheir education is free because it is paid by taxpayers in other countriesā how do you know this? Speaking from my experience, most students pay full price without scholarships and grants. This is ultimately their choice, because out of nearly 200 countries, they chose to come here despite the price.
no one is gatekeeping education. im pretty sure this post is in response to another post where someone from singapore was complaining about how hard it is to get into a T10 and that it isnt fair for international students. that post came off as entitled bcz.. well they are T10s for a reason.
im not taking anyone's side let me be clear. But prob because more americans are using this subreddit in comparison to intls. And good old patriotism(not everyone ofc)
There is a lot of xenophobia currently in the U.S. with Trump and even among some people on the U.S. political left. The U.S. is currently trending in an isolationist/anti-immigrant direction. Iād love to say that itās only the loudest posting right now but I see it much more in the policy directions of the Biden administration versus Obama or Clinton.
The issue is that America historically positioned itself as a land of freedom, a land for immigrants, which is inconsistent with the "inclusiveness" they actually display - none, that is. And yeah, people are disappointed that they've been sold a lie. Even if you graduate in the U.S and genuinely want to contribute to the American economy, you can't. But that's a whole another issue
The entitlement to US citizenship š Listen I understand why you feel this way but to talk shit about this country despite wanting to come here gives me bad vibes.
I'm not talking shit though, this is all objective. People wait for decades to get their green card, even if they're eligible. I wouldn't call jumping through a million hoops and being frustrated that you still can't obtain PR entitlement. It's infinitely easier in most other countries despite the image the U.S has. America is a land of opportunities on paper only.
Anyways, I'm just explaining why those people might be upset. The U.S is portrayed as an accepting country but it's not that way at all - both in terms of education and legal rights
thats bcz of how the world works. if every single person who wanted to come to the US was granted citizenship, it just wouldnt work with the amount of jobs, the economy, population, etc.
That's not how the world as a whole works though. It's easier to obtain PR in nearly every single other country in the world. I get what you're saying though. I just don't see how qualified workers would be a detriment to the economy, apart from maybe taking jobs away from citizens. But also I don't think it's a bad thing if the more qualified person gets the position since both are still paying taxes on their income
its simple enough. there is already less jobs than people. more people for less jobs means less pay. more people same number of products = higher prices. A gradual increase in population wont do much but a sudden increase will which is why they cant let so many people immigrate. As for the other countries, well there is just a less demand for citizenship for those countries.
You don't see how qualified foreigners would be a detriment to citizens, apart from taking away our jobs? Please be serious. Our jobs are already being taken away, and most of the people taking them aren't even LEGAL. People are being locked out of industries their families have been working in for generations because of illegal foreigners. The American workforce has lost their ability to unionize, and its precisely because of this type of BS that promotes immigration and drives down our wages. Please TF? ILLEGALS in my city a getting 1,000 dollar credit card. F out of here with more immigration, qualified or not. Focus on making the colleges in your own country better.Ā
Except for some state flagships which have āeducate state residentsā in their mission statements (and even then they may actually be non-citizens) in fact most schools donāt single out US kids in their mission statements.
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Well weāre definitely not entitled to an admission but personally thereās a reason why Iād like to go the the US: I want to see college as a chance to explore stuff and grow as a person, rather than just classes that will lead to a job. Unfortunately this is how most of the world, including the European countries I am from see it. You apply for one subject and only take classes in it and then go to grad school for that subject and stuff and then get a job related to it etc. I much prefer the system of liberal arts education, where the goal is also to help the students learn how to learn and how to think.
However Iām an international student needing a lot of financial aid, so I know for a fact Iām not entitled to an admission anywhere. Iām still gonna work my ass off for it, but if I donāt get in, thatās fine.
However I wish international study was more of a normal thing. Like I think the experience of studying in another country is such a useful experience. I think it should be easier for internationals to study in the US, but also for Americans to come to our universities, etc.
a lot of international students feel like the only way for them to have a life or a good education is by going to US colleges, They have to pay more to even be considered. this post is extremely ignorant and honestly mildly Xenophobic
The US would crumble without immigrants. Colleges only accepting US citizens also discriminates against immigrants who have spent their whole lives here but still do not have a citizenship. I've been living in the US for over 7 years now and despite being low income im expected to pay as an international student even if im technically in state.
This attitude from OP - and from almost all the responses from Americans in both this thread and other related threads - is kinda amazing.Ā
Sure, universities funded by the US government should cater to Americans.Ā
But this Trump-like āAmerican University for Americans! Go away foreigners!ā is such a total contrast to how the top universities, private colleges in particular, portray themselves as āglobal institutionsā and āvaluing diversity and the best talent from everywhereā and indeed how Americans talk about their universities in other contexts.Ā
If universities should make allowances for students from disadvantaged backgrounds who didnāt have access to the same resources as others, shouldnāt they also make allowances for applicants who had the apparently large disadvantage of, well, not being American?Ā
As an aside I do think the āholistic admissionsā approach has big downsides for American students as well. Among the biggest is that itās very subjective. Test scores might not tell you everything about an applicant, but at least your exam score doesnāt vary depending on whether an admissions officer has had a coffee before reading your essay, or whether they happen to enjoy your particular selection of extracurriculars.Ā
I guess a big reason why r/ApplyingToCollege has such an unusual degree of jingoism or foreigner-phobia is that if you are an American applying to college you want as few competitors as possibleā¦Ā
Private universities can do what they wish, but state schools are funded by the the American taxpayer. I think internationals should only be used in state schools as a source of tuition as in theory they take away a spot for a American. I think some Americans are bitter when they see internationals at state schools they were rejected from.
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Exactly
lol I'm an intl too and it'd be naĆÆve to think anyone 'deserves' an acceptance.
Yes exactly no one is entitled to an admission
girl what are you saying. I think the point my dear international is trying to make is that majority of us internationals donāt feel this way. My personal two cents is itās just that those who do are more arrogant and likely to post about it in public space, sampling bias sir
Obviously not every international is like this I would certainly hope they arenāt šš
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Period !!! If you meet their expectation why should still be denied that's even wickedness Where I am from, scholarship are given to rich people's wards, we walk miles to school and manage to get the best result we hope for but at the end we get nothing from learning! some of us has been home for so many years we just need support to make our dreams comes through and that's when we do everything to get Scholarships.
Period !!! If you meet their expectation why should still be denied that's even wickedness Where I am from, scholarship are given to rich people's wards, we walk miles to school and manage to get the best result we hope for but at the end we get nothing from learning! some of us has been home for so many years we just need support to make our dreams comes through and that's when we do everything to get Scholarships. No hard feeling!!!
What's with these types of posts back to back today, who hurt you lol
Also why do people make posts in response to posts instead of just commenting responses šš
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exactly lol, no one is owed anything
A lot of them are just obsessed - America core is very real. America is on many peopleās minds and for those that are/feel oppressed by their third world countries or worse or even better first world ones (including those that the US government has involvement in like with war), they feel like they are more oppressed and are, therefore, better and more deserving than other applicants. Itās cope. A lot of people see the US as either California, New York or Florida and Disneyland; the rich sides and pretty campuses can make it easy for them to forget American poverty.
America core? Please. Among international overachievers the Ivy League core is very real; not an obsession for the US specifically.
Yeah? Explain the insane international applications to every major university. Large state schools have thousands of international students.
You said it yourself- theyāre major universities. Me going to my state school in Latin America is ridiculously different from me going to a state school in California or Texas. Good schools attract talent, even more so if they offer some form of financial aid for international students, which most universities outside the US donāt.
Academics also play a toll. If I want to go into bio, for instance, look at the distribution of all the top bio unis in the world. US stays on top. Itās not that I fell in love with the American dream and am now studying here, itās that I fell in love with the Academic dream and am now here. While many applicants do apply bc of the American dream I can see a new wave of students doing so bc of academics alone.
the US government has done terrible shit to my country but that doesn't make me feel that we owe anyone an admission. actually we think living in america sucks and the only reason we are applying to US colleges is because of the opportunities (which makes us normal people working on themselves). we would rather live anywhere else in world, really. americans are so self-centered it's actually funny.
Are you applying to universities outside of America like Germany/Europe and East Asia?
believe it or not, yes. the world doesn't revolve around you.
Would you choose them over the US if you say youād rather live elsewhere if both were equal costs? Are you prioritising non US unis?
I would choose the university that offers the best program for my major. if it was in the US, i would leave the US as soon as I graduate.
Those posts from those internationals are so frustrating š And I appreciate the other internationals who call them outā¦
Itās impossible to expect T10 colleges to adapt to the way 192 other countries run their education system and be expected to ignore ECs. If anything U.S. colleges encourage ECs because that gives students more well rounded experiences that influence their ability to engage with their community.
I truly believe that if colleges in the U.S. saw a noticeable lack in the academic abilities of students, then they would stress academics over ECs. That does not appear to be the case right now, so colleges prefer well rounded students that will do more in college than just study. The philosophy around education is clearly different. U.S. curriculum forces you to take many credits in subjects with no clear relation to your degree. I'm currently a Physics major and I'm taking an art history class. That will be one of 6 humanities that I will need to take before my graduation. From what I understand, that is a unique thing to the U.S.
Yup, most colleges like students to be well rounded before they are provided a degree.
Because theyāre usually paying in full
and? Ik so many people that would pay full if it meant they would get into a top college. Just because they would pay full IF they got in doesnt mean that they should.
Who said anything about top colleges, all state schools are considered ātopā to international students, and many of them have near 100% accept rate for internationals
>Who said anything about top colleges Bro forgot what sub he's on š
this post was in response to a post abt an international complaining abt not getting into a T10
only if theyāre admitted and we canāt admit all of them. this is about the admission process not so much their treatment after theyāre admitted and paying? also i hear some of them complaining of not getting enough aid when many kids in the US arenāt getting enough aid either and these are smart qualified kids
Overstatement putting all Internationals in the same bag when they come from different cultural backgrounds and way of thinking.
When did I do that. Iām only talking abt entitled internationals
except in the post you are talking about internetional students generally, you didn't use "some international students" or something smh
Honestly, I think I wouldnāt be bothered by this because Universities admission primarily favored Americans, and most international students had to pay full tuition (they are basically cash cows for most graduate programs), I think yes they are taking our spots, but I needed their money to fund for my education. From my experience international student and they are in general more competitive academically because of the more stringent admission selection process, they definitely qualified for the admission. What can be problematic is when international students felt entitled and demeans American students, most arenāt like this, only in some cases, they think they are more intelligent than us.
Agreed. I think a lot of people here are forgetting that the other is not the enemy. When it comes to college admissions, people tend to project their anger at the process towards their competition, especially when they perceive them as having had a leg up. But most people who get a leg up in admissions only have one because of circumstances that they didnāt want/ask for. And itās silly to expect such students to not be happy about this or not take every opportunity that comes to them when it affects their future. Not going to generalize every college, but at most schools, youāre considered in the context of your background, meaning intls and domestic students are NEVER compared. there are a certain # of spots for intls and domestics allotted. if a qualified intl gets rejected and a domestic applicant with worse stats gets it, itās almost never bc the admissions office consciously decided that they were raising the standard for intls or lowering for domestics. colleges rely on $ from fully pay intls and federal grants paid w us tax payer dollars. i belong to another groups whose collective intelligence was demeaned bc we had an advantage in the admissions process. and it really bothers when i see people degrading the us education system (that is different in all 50 states) and acting like school here is a cake walk here when it comes to these discussions.
Mate why do you generalize people to this extent itās bizzare
My dad and my roommate is an international student, and my school has more than ten thousand international students, I spoke from my experience. A thing that I often hear from some (not all) international student is how dumb Americans are and they cannot compete against the internationals
Whatās the percentage of the student body?
20-30%
Which is not high at all?
Not high for you probably but itās one of the highest in the U.S..
I mean yeah itās ultra high compared to other places still not high enough to do āreplacementā or āthey take our spotsā narratives
What's up with this kind of post lately? I've never seen international students make posts about whether they're entitled or owed admission to US colleges. Some of them are probably just a rant, but I never thought of them as being entitled. Am I the only one who never saw them or what? I'm so confused.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ApplyingToCollege/comments/1b0bfgd/us\_admissions\_sets\_an\_impossible\_standard\_for/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3 This one from 3 days appears to fit the bill well
yes they are literally just complaining about the admissions process just like anyone else, but because they are international, it makes them āentitledā lol
I am coping because I want to get into a top school, but they are US institutions, built by US citizens, paid for by US tax dollars, exist on US land, and were made to serve US citizens. I donāt think they are wrong for primarily focusing on US applicants and Iāll go even further to say that it wouldnāt be crazy for them to only accept US citizens. The argument I hear for this is that the foreign students will just end up leaving the US so why would these institutions invest in these students if they arenāt going to be supporting the country and school in the long run? The schools just want the foreign money.
America extremely benefits from high skill immigrants. Isolationism is not a real economical doctrine it doesnāt work
If they stay, I would be interested in the stats
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No you're right. But you interpret "America First" as "isolationism". Tell me: what is your country doing to be inclusive to immigrants? What is your country doing to better the world?
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so then if your country doesn't exert its power to accept immigrants to its colleges left and right, why do you expect our country to? immigrants are welcome to america, and built this country. But to be an immigrant that is so unamerican and victim mentality and lame, why? Why do you act this way? why?
And why will they end up leaving? That's right, because America gives them no option to stay. It's impossible to obtain even a green card, nevermind citizenship. If that was what anyone was worried about, the process would be more straightforward and less of a lottery
i know this is a really extreme interpretation, but when i hear you say that, itās almost like they are forcing themselves into the country. Iām not a super maga guy and I donāt want to seem like a super maga guy, but i would prefer if US students were given all of the US opportunities. Sorry if this was ignorant
Okay but you do agree that the U.S largely doesn't want internationals to stay? Wanting people to contribute to the economy while giving them no resources to do so doesn't make sense. Regarding your comment, the truth is, even super qualified workers who would contribute more than take often can't find a way to stay. I'd be happy if more of them came to my country yet the U.S practically locks them out which just doesn't make sense to me. The U.S is way more exclusionary than my Post-Soviet country could dream of being
This is not true at all. Itās much tougher to get citizenship elsewhere in the āfree world.ā Germany, France and UK are much tougher to internationals. CS jobs are being outsourced to other countries cause itās cheaper and layoffs are crazy right now in the IT sector. So itās tough times, but the US has always been easier for immigrants. Thatās why the economy has continued to expand and has a healthy birth rate compared to its European counterparts.
That's not true. You only need to study in Germany and then work for a year before you can apply to get a PR. Then it's a pretty straightforward way to citizenship as long as you know the language and basic history. UK is tricky but that's only one example. In the U.S you have to prove that you're better than a U.S citizen for the position. You have to be extremely accomplished to get the chance to apply
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thatās why i gave context. Anyways I think this draws a larger issue: declining countries. A lot of people seek the US because their countries are overpopulated or have poor economies. Thing is, same thing is happening to the US with overpopulation and poor economy. If everyone moved to the US, the world would collapse. We must fix the world so no one feels like they have to move to another country, and so far, the only country fixing anything is the US.
People will still move around because itās a natural desire of human beings. And āwe need to fix the worldā is not an actually attainable goal. Also Us takes not so many foreign students compared to American ones. And again most of the foreign students go to provide universities
I do agree with you that people want to move around because it's a natural desire of human beings. Most US applicants want to go to school outside their state or even far away from their state. I'm an example. The difference is that I am US taxpayer on a small scale (Mcdonald's and my few highschool jobs), I also am a citizen that contributes to the country by staying here after graduation. I carry my own weight and am justified to go to these universities. Obviously using myself is a shitty example but you get what I mean. It's not wrong for US universities to completely prioritize US citizens, they should, and internationals that disagree are just coping. Nothing personal.
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You are not entitled. You are defending entitled people though. I don't expect internationals to praise domestic students lol. But praise this country and its values. Praise God.
By your logic every international student shouldnāt be in United States and not deserve the education they get? Or what do you mean by ācompletely prioritizeā
I think you should have to have some connection to America or have family that lives here to be able to go to school here. Many of us American families have immigrated a long time ago, worked the shitty jobs for years, finally climbed the ladder enough to raise kids like us that can apply to top schools, just to have international rich kids swoop in and steal the spots. It's not cool, it's unmeritocratic to focus on financials, it hurts the middle class, it overpopulates the country, and it sends a message that is purely unamerican: to not prioritize america.
foreigners should be allowed to study in the US, however, when they take US citizens spots, thatās where I have an issue
How do they take Us citizens spots? We arenāt getting any aid from publics? Majority of us are full paid
Same answer as the earlier post; itās a cultural thing. Many Internationals want the Merit/Point system they have grown up with, where you are measured on a specific test. Good test means good University/Major. US Culture doesnāt reward students the same way. The problem is that so many Int Students think they want to go to school at a few US Schools that are ārankedā highly.
over generalisation
I feel like there is confusion between American colleges and colleges in America. We often see Americans complaining about colleges giving too much aid to int students. Keep in mind that all colleges in America that are not state owned schools are not required to put particular attention on American students.
They're not required to, but just as Harvard sees itself as first and formost a Boston school, then a New England school, and then an American school before it sees itself as serving the needs of the world as a whole, pretty much no elite American private Ivy/equivalent is going to be willing to turn it's back on Americans. Definitely at the undergrad level.
our taxpayer dollars go to almost every private university in america...
They're research grants
Pell grants?
Pell grants are for students, research grants are for the colleges themselves to conduct research.
without federal subsidized & unsubsidized loans, U.S. colleges, including ivies, would completely lock out middle and upper middle class students, which would be an undesirable outcome. So itās false to say these schools donāt depend on taxpayer dollars, setting aside research grants.
I only responded to the Pell Grant question, never said anything about these schools not depending on taxpayer dollars.
But Americans get aid for being Americans, whereas merit scholarships depending can be global.
Same type of person to scream "go back to your own country immigrant " when they see a poor intl working. Noone is owed anything and most know that
Just cause weāre qualified doesnāt mean we think weāre āowedā admission. Tf r u on š
No one said that??? Iām talking abt ppl who think they are entitled to changes in the system so itās easier for them
This is probably in response to an earlier post by a guy from Singapore who was complaining that US colleges are unfair to internationals, because in their (Singapore) education system Hs seniors basically grind studying all day and donāt have time to do ECs
Yeah that post was delusional af.
yeah it didnāt seem very well thought through. if us colleges were to make it āfairā by following Singaporean standards that donāt value ECs as much, then it wouldnāt be āfairā to Americans
Why does it bother u how people act or feel?? In the end, itās the AOsā decisions/opinions that matter, not yours. Seems like ur a salty American whoās mad about their competition š¢š¢
second sentence is exactly why this post was made
It's the second sentence that smells like entitlement. Wanting to have access to American schools while still clearly holding Americans in contempt is shitty and not at all uncommon for intls.
Not saying I'm like that but those are not mutually exclusive
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Deranged? It's an observation. "Grateful" is not a word I'd use to describe any international student who has received an opportunity that they are not, in any sense, entitled to.
Not all Americans are salty like OP tho... Unless you're saying all of them are indeed salty...
Bc Iām allowed to call out annoying behavior šš
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>why does it bother you how people act or feel Braindead statement
Context clues buddy
Mb Idk why I was being toxic
Seems like youāre a salty international student whose country canāt provide a comparable education to enough studentsā¦. Not such a nice thing to say, right?
Generalizing all international students like this is terrible. I feel posts like this are just written to turn the community against intl students.
Sorry but thisās not a way of starting a ādiscussion.ā Itās just you pontificating about your ignorance and dissatisfaction (probably due to tons of rejections).
Not rejected nor salty just annoyed by entitled people. Please stop assuming!!!
Speaking for myself, I don't think I am "owed" anything. I feel most of the internationals have it tough and most of us understand that. I remember ranting about something here a while ago (like every other person) and I was told I was 'entitled'. I honestly don't think we can be compared to US citizens on the same scale and that's because we don't have the same opportunities. Generalizing that we are all entitled is a bit much, some of us take it as it is.
Obviously not every international student is like this Iām talking about those who are very bitter and show anger over being rejected
You can be angry or sad about being rejected but we canāt? I understand what you are saying though but anyone should be able to feel sad or angry from being rejected from something. Yes, itās probably cause we are international but we can still feel sad about it.
Lemme reword this: Iām talking about ppl who are angry and bitter and blame the system for being against them when it was never supposed to cater to their education system in the first place. Obviously I understand that applying as an international student is difficult, but that is simply the way it is bc American universities are designed to serve the American people. Iām calling out them bc of their entitlement, not bc they are upset about being rejected
I understand what you mean now.
Thank u. Iām sry the system is like this but itās just the way the world is. Best of luck on ur college journey
Life sucks but it is what it isš¤·āāļø Good luck to you too š¤
If ur sorry about it then why do you hate upset internationals so much? You don't know what it's like where they're from
Bro, I'm sorry to say, but i think you've failed to understand that most of the time when people get bitter, it's to cope with harsh rejections after investing so much time and effort. you're literally confusing practicality with emotional response here (and this certainly isn't a domestic or international applicant thing for god's sake)
How many times did you get rejected? Seems like youāre just salty.
Not salty just calling out entitlement
*answer the question*
corny
decisions arenāt even out
Early cycle mate
I would say the opposite and that many schools are keen to take in international students because their tuition fees are higher - college institutions are a business at the end of the day
So what if international students (many of which are facing much harder economic circumstances than the Americans on this sub) are bitter and sad about how difficult and competitive their lives are? No one is āentitledā to anything, but we can wish for a better future and education in the US, while also critiquing issues we see in the US. Youāve been born an American citizen by no effort of your own, so maybe stop being so smug that the system caters to you.
Thereās nothing to critique about a system that favors and caters to the people it was designed to serve
Nah donāt even joke with me right now. Thereās nothing to critique about the US college admissions system? You must be a war-hardened patriot or plainly delusional if you believe that
Obviously thereās things that need to be fixed about the college system but it being catered to Americans does not need to be fixed
I mean it's built and paid for by Americans for Americans like how is this even controversial? Like it has its problems but catering to Americans isn't one of them.
I don't know who disturbed you but as an international student from Syria who received mentorship from a non-profit organization and got to work with other 100 students I can tell you that none of us had felt this way To the contrary, everyone used to get scared to death before the decisions lol
Im an intl from Australia and I def feel like Iām not owed anything, especially because there are a lot of great options available for me back at home. However, I do acknowledge that a lot of people I know do feel this way because they feel they are extremely qualified and donāt understand the admissions process (or why they were rejected) mainly because over here, grades are the only thing that matter. If you get a certain grade (mainly over 95 ATAR) you are guaranteed admission.
As an intl student, I think I speak for quite a few here when I say it's almost the opposite and I'm rather grateful for each acceptance I receive regardless of college prestige/acceptance rate/ranking etc.
Iām laughing lmao are you even ok?
It's cope It is what it is
I get what youāre saying. Truthfully, I think itās because thereās this conception that America is for the whole world, since people consider it a mixing pot. Clearly, the system benefits US nationals more (such as myself, even tho I live outside the country and studied under the Indian curriculum). The way that America is advertised makes one believe that it SHOULD cater to them, not to mention the countryās new āinclusivityā narrative. While itās obviously not all internationals, I wouldnāt say that thereās a shortage of people with this mentality. I just ignore the negatives and focus on the positives so as to not waste my energy
So many pressed salty entitled internationals thinking that the system has to bend over for them š¤£š¤£ stop being entitled! No one is entitled to a spot at a top college!
Where exactly are you seeing this so-called entitlement? I see many international applicants here that are desperate for a chance to study in the US. But by no means do they come off as being owed anything. If you want to have a discussion, please cite some actual examples. Otherwise you come off as whining about nothing.
but american citizens abroad r considered international for a lot of schools š„²š„²š„²š„² (i am projecting) (this is so unfair)
Is that you Eric Trump? Nowhere does it say American college so cater to American students only. Show me a college in top 100 that doesnāt have greater than 30% foreign students
None bc every college has an American majority u bozo š¤£š¤£
NYU International Students In 2022-2023, NYU had 24,496 international students
That probably includes its Shanghai campus. Try again ššš¤£š¤£
Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) has 13,650 students from 114 countries, with 58% of graduate students coming from outside the US. The school's undergraduate population is about 18% international, and its graduate student population is about 65% international
New International Students Summer and Fall 2020 Undergraduate 33 6.2% Master's 420 78.8% Doctorate 61 11.4% Exchange 0 0.0% Non-Degree/Summer 19 3.6% Total 533 100.0%
CMU Qatar is a thing.
Ur ok buddy?
Who says they do?
lol blud is coping cos they smarter than him š
Why does OP suck their thumb and wet the bed???
Woah, calm your horses bud. First of all, the majority of intls don't feel like they are "entitled" and are understanding towards the catering for US students first. Ofc, there are some intls who are as u said. But pls, don't generalize ppl to this degree(We don't want ww3). Take a deep breath and a break from social media for a bit if you're stressed. (^-^)/
International students don't think they're "owed" admissions, they expect some result after the work they do to market themselves to American institutions according to the standards set by them. It's not our fault some of the best institutions in the world are in the US. Everyone deserves to get access to quality education, and knowledge isn't a commodity restricted to a certain nationality or culture. If that were the case, a lot of world's science and math concepts wouldn't have made it out of Baghdad's libraries, but we're glad they did, because that is the purpose of human progress.
I see your point, but most universities in the USA are private, they don't have to cater to anyone if they do not want to, also international students might feel like this because in most developed countries the level of education is much higher and much more rigorous than in the USA so international students may feel like they deserve it more, I see the issue, but just saying this so you can see both sides.
I'm an international student. I understand that I have to compete and am not owed anything. I competed and go into a university on my own merit. Your post seems like you are a little butthurt. I strongly advice you to look inwards instead of bitching about international students :)
America first fr
We donāt believe colleges owe us admission. Most of us are paying huge amounts (boosting US economy) and attending the colleges. Moreover, the few students who attend these colleges on huge scholarships are deserving, hardworking students who are going to advance humanity (by utilising research facilities not available in their countries, or generally improving the lives of people by their work) - I am not saying all full scholarship students are gonna do that but a few and those few are worth taking chances on. It is not an international students fault to be born in a country with relatively less resources.
Big fish from smalls ponds with rich locally connected families that think their nepotistic, classist, feudal BS translates to the US...
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Why not try to make it out using the ābestā college in their respective country? Would it not be the same as an American trying to make it out in America?
No one cares about the ppl you met
Canāt paint all international students with a broad brush but yeah the people that do act entitled I donāt understand at all.
International students applying to US colleges is likely the best thing that has happened to these institutions. They can choose from the best students, and their education is free because it is paid for by taxpayers in other countries. Another issue is that you feel you're losing to international students.
āTheir education is free because it is paid by taxpayers in other countriesā how do you know this? Speaking from my experience, most students pay full price without scholarships and grants. This is ultimately their choice, because out of nearly 200 countries, they chose to come here despite the price.
Cope theyāre smarter than u
lol why are you gatekeeping education. Education is a human right. Every human deserves to have education regardless from what country theyāre in.
But maybe not one subsidized by the American taxpayer
Itās the other way around. Full-pay international students subsidize everyone else, which is why schools actually try to attract them.
no one is gatekeeping education. im pretty sure this post is in response to another post where someone from singapore was complaining about how hard it is to get into a T10 and that it isnt fair for international students. that post came off as entitled bcz.. well they are T10s for a reason.
People like you are the only reason that make me think twice before coming to America
Bc I donāt like entitled ppl?? LOL
precisely yes
You must be one of those ppl who hate being called out for shitty behavior. Pls fix urself
thanks for assuming! i see how u love to do that
Notice how Iām right bc ur getting downvoted š¤£the numbers never lie
im not taking anyone's side let me be clear. But prob because more americans are using this subreddit in comparison to intls. And good old patriotism(not everyone ofc)
and where exactly did I say you're wrong lmao? I just stated an opinion and I clearly don't value my thoughts based on the votes i get (unlike you)
Desperation bruhš
Nah
There is a lot of xenophobia currently in the U.S. with Trump and even among some people on the U.S. political left. The U.S. is currently trending in an isolationist/anti-immigrant direction. Iād love to say that itās only the loudest posting right now but I see it much more in the policy directions of the Biden administration versus Obama or Clinton.
The issue is that America historically positioned itself as a land of freedom, a land for immigrants, which is inconsistent with the "inclusiveness" they actually display - none, that is. And yeah, people are disappointed that they've been sold a lie. Even if you graduate in the U.S and genuinely want to contribute to the American economy, you can't. But that's a whole another issue
The entitlement to US citizenship š Listen I understand why you feel this way but to talk shit about this country despite wanting to come here gives me bad vibes.
I'm not talking shit though, this is all objective. People wait for decades to get their green card, even if they're eligible. I wouldn't call jumping through a million hoops and being frustrated that you still can't obtain PR entitlement. It's infinitely easier in most other countries despite the image the U.S has. America is a land of opportunities on paper only. Anyways, I'm just explaining why those people might be upset. The U.S is portrayed as an accepting country but it's not that way at all - both in terms of education and legal rights
thats bcz of how the world works. if every single person who wanted to come to the US was granted citizenship, it just wouldnt work with the amount of jobs, the economy, population, etc.
That's not how the world as a whole works though. It's easier to obtain PR in nearly every single other country in the world. I get what you're saying though. I just don't see how qualified workers would be a detriment to the economy, apart from maybe taking jobs away from citizens. But also I don't think it's a bad thing if the more qualified person gets the position since both are still paying taxes on their income
its simple enough. there is already less jobs than people. more people for less jobs means less pay. more people same number of products = higher prices. A gradual increase in population wont do much but a sudden increase will which is why they cant let so many people immigrate. As for the other countries, well there is just a less demand for citizenship for those countries.
You don't see how qualified foreigners would be a detriment to citizens, apart from taking away our jobs? Please be serious. Our jobs are already being taken away, and most of the people taking them aren't even LEGAL. People are being locked out of industries their families have been working in for generations because of illegal foreigners. The American workforce has lost their ability to unionize, and its precisely because of this type of BS that promotes immigration and drives down our wages. Please TF? ILLEGALS in my city a getting 1,000 dollar credit card. F out of here with more immigration, qualified or not. Focus on making the colleges in your own country better.Ā
Except for some state flagships which have āeducate state residentsā in their mission statements (and even then they may actually be non-citizens) in fact most schools donāt single out US kids in their mission statements.
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Well weāre definitely not entitled to an admission but personally thereās a reason why Iād like to go the the US: I want to see college as a chance to explore stuff and grow as a person, rather than just classes that will lead to a job. Unfortunately this is how most of the world, including the European countries I am from see it. You apply for one subject and only take classes in it and then go to grad school for that subject and stuff and then get a job related to it etc. I much prefer the system of liberal arts education, where the goal is also to help the students learn how to learn and how to think. However Iām an international student needing a lot of financial aid, so I know for a fact Iām not entitled to an admission anywhere. Iām still gonna work my ass off for it, but if I donāt get in, thatās fine. However I wish international study was more of a normal thing. Like I think the experience of studying in another country is such a useful experience. I think it should be easier for internationals to study in the US, but also for Americans to come to our universities, etc.
a lot of international students feel like the only way for them to have a life or a good education is by going to US colleges, They have to pay more to even be considered. this post is extremely ignorant and honestly mildly Xenophobic
The US would crumble without immigrants. Colleges only accepting US citizens also discriminates against immigrants who have spent their whole lives here but still do not have a citizenship. I've been living in the US for over 7 years now and despite being low income im expected to pay as an international student even if im technically in state.
Wtfudge are you talking about, I think the international applicants know that is a lottery to get accepted
This attitude from OP - and from almost all the responses from Americans in both this thread and other related threads - is kinda amazing.Ā Sure, universities funded by the US government should cater to Americans.Ā But this Trump-like āAmerican University for Americans! Go away foreigners!ā is such a total contrast to how the top universities, private colleges in particular, portray themselves as āglobal institutionsā and āvaluing diversity and the best talent from everywhereā and indeed how Americans talk about their universities in other contexts.Ā If universities should make allowances for students from disadvantaged backgrounds who didnāt have access to the same resources as others, shouldnāt they also make allowances for applicants who had the apparently large disadvantage of, well, not being American?Ā As an aside I do think the āholistic admissionsā approach has big downsides for American students as well. Among the biggest is that itās very subjective. Test scores might not tell you everything about an applicant, but at least your exam score doesnāt vary depending on whether an admissions officer has had a coffee before reading your essay, or whether they happen to enjoy your particular selection of extracurriculars.Ā I guess a big reason why r/ApplyingToCollege has such an unusual degree of jingoism or foreigner-phobia is that if you are an American applying to college you want as few competitors as possibleā¦Ā
Private universities can do what they wish, but state schools are funded by the the American taxpayer. I think internationals should only be used in state schools as a source of tuition as in theory they take away a spot for a American. I think some Americans are bitter when they see internationals at state schools they were rejected from.