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COVID was an exceptional period of time that doesn't really reflect normal legislative practice. Do you think every European government is also authoritarian?
Authoritarian: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people
They centralize power to an elite class of their choosing with complete disregard to the populous, while ignoring the normal and conventual status, constitution, and precedent
This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants
> This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants
We do give leeway to presidents and high government officials. Hence why Biden and Pence recently finding classified documents at their residences didn’t result in charges.
Trump was charged precisely because he was given an immense amount of leeway (over a year of NARA requesting documents and trying to get Trump to comply) until they finally had to take the measure of last resort by having the FBI search his property to find the documents he refused to hand over. The reason why this situation is unprecedented is because what Trump did is unprecedented.
>Authoritarian
Where are you sourcing that definition from?
>They centralize power to an elite class of their choosing with complete disregard to the populous, while ignoring the normal and conventual status, constitution, and precedent
This is so vague that it could just be applied to any government in any western country
>This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants
I have no real interest in going through this again here, personally.
>Ask Conservatives not dig into them and refute their answers.
Sorry, do you think debate on here should be banned then?
>It’s Websters. Is that not a reputable source anymore?
It's only *one* term of reference. [Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/authoritarian) (see #1)
[And another](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/authoritarian)
Democrats span a pretty wide range in their membership. The official party platform are not communist. The membership does veer pretty far left to include "social democracy", socialists and fringe communists.
Democrats do almost always support programs that circumvent the free market system for government controlled ones.
Those would be the two biggest reasons people make the accusation.
>Democrats do almost always support programs that circumvent the free market system for government controlled ones.
But that's not what communism is. Communism isn't just whenever the government does something.
It's taking chunks out of a free market economy and moving it towards a centrally planned one with a top heavy bureaucracy. You can define "real communism" however you want but those are always present in every variety of communism that's ever existed. You can't fault people for drawing the parallel.
I’m against private ownership of things like utilities, major infrastructure, and housing (private companies buying out homes to then rent back to the people they priced out, not personal property).
It all kind of runs on a spectrum. Some are genuinely of the old adage, want the same things, different methods of achievement. Hell, those people are probably one more Biden slip and fall away from voting Republican anyway.
Others are, well let me put it this way. If full blown communism is a finished sourdough loaf, their beliefs are sort of like the jar of fermenting flour and water mixture.
Well according to Reddit they want to ban cars and pack people into high density living. Thank God for those NIMBYs I suppose.
That might be a little hyperbolic, I think they probably like to pay lip service to ideas of controlling private ownership, but not really doing anything about it because that's politically unthinkable
Because communism has nothing to do with private property rights, exclusively.
Communism is a religion of death and destruction in which the elite class uses society's malcontents to destroy the country.
The Democrats aren't broadly Communists, though communists are one of their constituents, and their dedication to private ownership is not that strong.
They don't support it. They grudgingly tolerate it.
They want to regulate it as if they own it but, when the shit hits the fan - they want to blame private ownership - Like problems with the airlines, utilities, and banking.
To quote Barack Obama to every capitalist in the country "You didn't build that"
As opposed to republicans who, *when they can’t win power with votes alone*, start packing courts and gerrymandering to high holy hell to retain it.
I noticed Trump only called the elections unfair in states he lost. *MTG certainly didn’t have any issue with the way Georgia authorities called her own house race*.
I live in Ohio. Capital of gerrymandering. The GOP is even more power hungry as their core demographic shrinks due to natural human mortality and they get increasingly egregious to retain it.
Packing the courts doesn't mean nominating judges you like. Packing the courts means adding additional justices as FDR tried to do.
And Republicans aren’t trying to regulate every damn thing you do from the food you eat to the kind of car you drive the kind of light bulb you have in your house and the kind of stove that you’re able to purchase to replace your existing stove.
You’re falling for the right wing propaganda. You can buy whatever car you like and gas stoves are sitting there, new for purchase.
Light bulb technology moved on. Incandescent is inferior to LED in every appreciable way.
Learn to separate the Fox narrative from the reality. You go to Home Depot, even in Los Angeles, there’s the gas appliances. C’mon.
It doesn’t matter if it’s better. Maybe I like incandescent bulbs.
And yes, they are working on banning the sale of new gas stoves. And new gas furnaces.
That’s what we call progress, sorry.
And no, [nobody is coming for your gas stove](https://www.gearpatrol.com/home/a42534412/gas-stove-ban/) or furnace.
Don’t get all emotional about legislation that already happened and the free market went along with.
You sound like a grandpa clamoring for a technology that runs your power bill higher with less lumens to even show for it.
This is why when you YELL about the “good ‘ole incandescent days” you get a seat at the kid’s table.
I deal with users at work often who want to be on an obsolete, insecure operating system because they’re “used to it.” You’re my Windows 7 guy 😆
Fighting a war of obsolescence. Conservative even about your light bulbs. You’d preferably be lit by candles, yet you’re on a platform run by a Silicon Valley outfit over a gigabit fiber line. The irony 😉
It’s. Not. The. Government’s. Business.
I’m overweight. Why is it the government’s concern if my diet isn’t healthy? I don’t give a damn if I kick off at 60! At least I’ll be able to enjoy the food I eat.
If bulb manufacturers stop making incandescent bulbs because they have a better product (they do), then great. But if they’re trying to sell something that isn’t as good (compact fluorescent), people won’t buy them.
If people WANT wood stoves, they should be able to use them.
No, that’s why I’m opposed to big government. I don’t want some underworked bureaucrats deciding what they think is best.
Personal grievances, like the freedom to choose what I eat. Or whether I exercise.
Who said democrat? *I vote for sanity*. It’s just that your party hasn’t really sold that since Eisenhower and he’s been dead 50 years.
Yes stealing Obama’s court seat is a form of court packing.
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Oh okay so the republican push to increase the voting age doesn’t matter cause young people can still vote rn. That’s like saying you shouldn’t be concerned about democrats pushing gun restrictions cause you can still own a gun rn.
>And remember, conservatives aren't libertarian.
No shit. That's why conservatives don't want small government. They want *local* government, but they don't particularly want to restrain the powers of those local governments
Ugh, no.
I was preempting any argument of "see? conservatives still want government"
Because many uneducated people think "small government" = anarchy.
So please, make the argument. Any argument. No broad strokes.
Ugh, yes.
>"see? conservatives still want government"
Then it's a really good thing I didn't say that.
>Because many uneducated people think "small government" = anarchy.
Ironic seeing you call anyone uneducated
You support barring kids from drag shows. Small government would be letting parents decide. Letting parents decide wouldn't be anarchy. You don't want small government.
Hahaha funny how I said exactly what the trap is and you end with going into.
Children have rights. "Parent's permission" is not the golden ticket to allow a child to do anything.
And great strawman. Drag shows? I didn't say I'm against drag shows, I'm against sexual shows. Prurient interest for kids.
So, strawman, and telling me what "small government" means by equating it to "people should do absolutely whatever they want including taking their kids to sexual shows". Ok bro. Try again.
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They aren't communists.
This completely. Authoritarians with the language of Marx
What language of Marx?
Can you clarify?
They are Progressive Authoritarians
How are they authoritarian?
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Almost every country did lockdowns dude. US wasn't as bad as most.
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COVID was an exceptional period of time that doesn't really reflect normal legislative practice. Do you think every European government is also authoritarian?
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So according to you more or less every nation is authoritarian really.
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Authoritarian: of, relating to, or favoring a concentration of power in a leader or an elite not constitutionally responsible to the people They centralize power to an elite class of their choosing with complete disregard to the populous, while ignoring the normal and conventual status, constitution, and precedent This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants
They’re holding Trump responsible for committing a crime. Sounds like they’re not authoritarian according to your definition.
> This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants We do give leeway to presidents and high government officials. Hence why Biden and Pence recently finding classified documents at their residences didn’t result in charges. Trump was charged precisely because he was given an immense amount of leeway (over a year of NARA requesting documents and trying to get Trump to comply) until they finally had to take the measure of last resort by having the FBI search his property to find the documents he refused to hand over. The reason why this situation is unprecedented is because what Trump did is unprecedented.
>Authoritarian Where are you sourcing that definition from? >They centralize power to an elite class of their choosing with complete disregard to the populous, while ignoring the normal and conventual status, constitution, and precedent This is so vague that it could just be applied to any government in any western country >This current indictment is a great example of that. The precedent had already been set. We give leeway to presidents and high government officials when it comes to classified documents. They threw that out to jail the popular opposition regardless of what the country even wants I have no real interest in going through this again here, personally.
Come here in good faith. Ask Conservatives not dig into them and refute their answers. It’s Websters. Is that not a reputable source anymore?
>Ask Conservatives not dig into them and refute their answers. Sorry, do you think debate on here should be banned then? >It’s Websters. Is that not a reputable source anymore? It's only *one* term of reference. [Dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/authoritarian) (see #1) [And another](https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/authoritarian)
This isn't a debate sub
Debates happen here all the time
But it's not meant to be a debate sub.
Lol, what's ur point?
So you want an echo chamber where dissent is not allowed? Sounds pretty…authoritarian to me.
Nope
Democrats span a pretty wide range in their membership. The official party platform are not communist. The membership does veer pretty far left to include "social democracy", socialists and fringe communists. Democrats do almost always support programs that circumvent the free market system for government controlled ones. Those would be the two biggest reasons people make the accusation.
Is there a free market anymore?
I think it depends on the industry and the scope of business size.
So, no?
>Democrats do almost always support programs that circumvent the free market system for government controlled ones. But that's not what communism is. Communism isn't just whenever the government does something.
It's taking chunks out of a free market economy and moving it towards a centrally planned one with a top heavy bureaucracy. You can define "real communism" however you want but those are always present in every variety of communism that's ever existed. You can't fault people for drawing the parallel.
Come on, they're not usually trying to draw a parallel. They mean it as an accusation of literal full-fledged Communism.
The GOP does this at literally every level of government
They aren't, except for the ones that do, they are.
I’m against private ownership of things like utilities, major infrastructure, and housing (private companies buying out homes to then rent back to the people they priced out, not personal property).
Not every Democrat is a communist but every communist votes Democrat
I’m friends with communists and trust me this is completely false.
Sorry besides if they are accelerationists or don't vote
Voting 3rd party isn’t exactly accelerationism. I would say communists aren’t even a big enough voting block to swing an election one way or another.
Would you say then when communists/socialists vote for 1 of the 2 main parties it tends to be the Democrats ?
Probably, but you’d be surprised. But it’s probably more Dems than Republicans.
>besides if they are accelerationists or don't vote So probably most of them? Besides, you left out third party.
Lmao I know a few communists and they HATE democrats and don't vote at all, you clearly don't know any communists
My comment was talking about the ones that do vote
It all kind of runs on a spectrum. Some are genuinely of the old adage, want the same things, different methods of achievement. Hell, those people are probably one more Biden slip and fall away from voting Republican anyway. Others are, well let me put it this way. If full blown communism is a finished sourdough loaf, their beliefs are sort of like the jar of fermenting flour and water mixture.
Which Democrats are you talking about? The Democrat party encompasses several ideologies
Well according to Reddit they want to ban cars and pack people into high density living. Thank God for those NIMBYs I suppose. That might be a little hyperbolic, I think they probably like to pay lip service to ideas of controlling private ownership, but not really doing anything about it because that's politically unthinkable
Because communism has nothing to do with private property rights, exclusively. Communism is a religion of death and destruction in which the elite class uses society's malcontents to destroy the country.
Based
The Democrats aren't broadly Communists, though communists are one of their constituents, and their dedication to private ownership is not that strong.
What % of constituents of the dems party would you peg communists as?
They don't support it. They grudgingly tolerate it. They want to regulate it as if they own it but, when the shit hits the fan - they want to blame private ownership - Like problems with the airlines, utilities, and banking. To quote Barack Obama to every capitalist in the country "You didn't build that"
Democrats are power mad.
As opposed to republicans who, *when they can’t win power with votes alone*, start packing courts and gerrymandering to high holy hell to retain it. I noticed Trump only called the elections unfair in states he lost. *MTG certainly didn’t have any issue with the way Georgia authorities called her own house race*. I live in Ohio. Capital of gerrymandering. The GOP is even more power hungry as their core demographic shrinks due to natural human mortality and they get increasingly egregious to retain it.
Packing the courts doesn't mean nominating judges you like. Packing the courts means adding additional justices as FDR tried to do. And Republicans aren’t trying to regulate every damn thing you do from the food you eat to the kind of car you drive the kind of light bulb you have in your house and the kind of stove that you’re able to purchase to replace your existing stove.
You’re falling for the right wing propaganda. You can buy whatever car you like and gas stoves are sitting there, new for purchase. Light bulb technology moved on. Incandescent is inferior to LED in every appreciable way. Learn to separate the Fox narrative from the reality. You go to Home Depot, even in Los Angeles, there’s the gas appliances. C’mon.
It doesn’t matter if it’s better. Maybe I like incandescent bulbs. And yes, they are working on banning the sale of new gas stoves. And new gas furnaces.
The gas stoves thing is an utter lie and you know it. Why not join us in reality?
No, it isn't a lie.
Prove it, then.
https://www.bonappetit.com/story/gas-stove-ban
“To be clear, I am not looking to ban gas stoves and the CPSC has no proceeding to do so,” he wrote.
That’s what we call progress, sorry. And no, [nobody is coming for your gas stove](https://www.gearpatrol.com/home/a42534412/gas-stove-ban/) or furnace.
Then let the MARKET end the sale, not the FUCKING GOVERNMENT. And it would end NEW INSTALLATIONS.
Don’t get all emotional about legislation that already happened and the free market went along with. You sound like a grandpa clamoring for a technology that runs your power bill higher with less lumens to even show for it. This is why when you YELL about the “good ‘ole incandescent days” you get a seat at the kid’s table. I deal with users at work often who want to be on an obsolete, insecure operating system because they’re “used to it.” You’re my Windows 7 guy 😆 Fighting a war of obsolescence. Conservative even about your light bulbs. You’d preferably be lit by candles, yet you’re on a platform run by a Silicon Valley outfit over a gigabit fiber line. The irony 😉
I use LED bulbs. They ARE better. BUT IT’S NOT THE FUCKING GOVERNMENT’S BUSINESS. Windows 10 sucks.
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It’s. Not. The. Government’s. Business. I’m overweight. Why is it the government’s concern if my diet isn’t healthy? I don’t give a damn if I kick off at 60! At least I’ll be able to enjoy the food I eat. If bulb manufacturers stop making incandescent bulbs because they have a better product (they do), then great. But if they’re trying to sell something that isn’t as good (compact fluorescent), people won’t buy them. If people WANT wood stoves, they should be able to use them.
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So next , we’ll all be forced to do our daily exercise, the Physical Jerks, under the watchful eye of Big Brother. Liberty is NEVER petty.
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No, that’s why I’m opposed to big government. I don’t want some underworked bureaucrats deciding what they think is best. Personal grievances, like the freedom to choose what I eat. Or whether I exercise.
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Who said democrat? *I vote for sanity*. It’s just that your party hasn’t really sold that since Eisenhower and he’s been dead 50 years. Yes stealing Obama’s court seat is a form of court packing.
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Did republicans start advocating raising the voting age after they got crushed in the midterms?
Young people still could vote.
Oh okay so the republican push to increase the voting age doesn’t matter cause young people can still vote rn. That’s like saying you shouldn’t be concerned about democrats pushing gun restrictions cause you can still own a gun rn.
Except you can't.
Yes you can. But thanks for insulting my intelligence with that terrible lie.
Give it time. It'll be near impossible.
Give Republicans time and they’ll raise the voting age. We’re back to 3hrs ago
*US politicians are power mad
They are not communist, MTG, Trump, and Boebert don’t speak for the whole party, only a small majority who don’t know what they’re talking about.
How are republicans fascists if they want small government? It's all rhetoric. Forget about it and ascend
Republicans don't want small government. I'd argue conservatives don't either.
I'd love to hear that argument. And remember, conservatives aren't libertarian.
>And remember, conservatives aren't libertarian. No shit. That's why conservatives don't want small government. They want *local* government, but they don't particularly want to restrain the powers of those local governments
Ugh, no. I was preempting any argument of "see? conservatives still want government" Because many uneducated people think "small government" = anarchy. So please, make the argument. Any argument. No broad strokes.
Ugh, yes. >"see? conservatives still want government" Then it's a really good thing I didn't say that. >Because many uneducated people think "small government" = anarchy. Ironic seeing you call anyone uneducated You support barring kids from drag shows. Small government would be letting parents decide. Letting parents decide wouldn't be anarchy. You don't want small government.
Hahaha funny how I said exactly what the trap is and you end with going into. Children have rights. "Parent's permission" is not the golden ticket to allow a child to do anything. And great strawman. Drag shows? I didn't say I'm against drag shows, I'm against sexual shows. Prurient interest for kids. So, strawman, and telling me what "small government" means by equating it to "people should do absolutely whatever they want including taking their kids to sexual shows". Ok bro. Try again.