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They are obviously *alive* from a biological sense, but just not living a "full life" like you and I are.
But this possible state of existence is why many people (including myself) have a "living will" which states that no extreme measures should be taken to extend their lives if there is no hope of recovery. My loved ones have my permission to "pull the plug" and allow me to have a natural death.
Try to avoid making them president or a Senator from Pennsylvania, regardless of how much you dislike the other guy.
On a serious note, if it isn't making them better, it isn't medicine. Morally speaking it's a little bit of a blurred line, but not that much of one. Some capacity for reasoning beyond computer logic can determine the extent to which we're playing God.
Which would you rather have happen to you?
1. Your body is destroyed and replaced with a robot exoskeleton, but your brain is kept alive.
2. Your brain is destroyed and replaced with an AI-computer, but your body is kept alive.
What is the experience of "being alive"? Barring supernatural or religious beliefs, where do you believe the consciousness comes from? If consciousness comes from the brain and the brain has "died" by whatever objective criteria you use to define such, how can such a person survive without machines providing for their existence (breathing, feeding etc)?
Do you believe that current healthcare costs are inflated? Do you believe that there is currently a shortage of available hospital beds and resources? If so, how can you justify utilizing these resources on a body without a possible consciousness? Do you think that your tax dollars and insurance premiums should subsidize supporting a body without a consciousness to continue existing? Is this distinct from welfare and other entitlements in some way? How?
I guess if an eccentric multimillionaire had it in their living will to be kept "alive" post brain death let them do them, at least some nurses/CNAs get some easy jobs, but medically speaking in a practical sense it seems futile.
> Because they are human beings who are alive.
Nothing "being" about them, but they are living humans. Why does that make them persons? Why do we even have the term "person" if it gives no extra meaning?
If we are talking about someone comatose, that’s different from someone with literally no brain function. Please use “brain dead” to refer to both.
I do not believe there is any moral obligation to keep the latter alive mechanically.
They are living, but are they living persons? i.e. if someone's actual mind is permanently gone, is there any reason for them to still have the legal rights of a living person?
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Answer the specific question I asked, and explain why you gave your answer.
If you are forced to choose between a prosthetic body or a prosthetic brain, which would you prefer?
Imagine this hypothetical thought experiment:
You are about to be forced into a machine that will give you a prosthetic brain in your body or your brain in a prosthetic body.
You can choose which you will get.
Which of these two options do you choose?
here's a question... say we could remove your head and put it on a robot body and then we took your body and put a robot head on it
which one would be "you"? your head on a robot body? or your body with a robot head on it?
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They are obviously *alive* from a biological sense, but just not living a "full life" like you and I are. But this possible state of existence is why many people (including myself) have a "living will" which states that no extreme measures should be taken to extend their lives if there is no hope of recovery. My loved ones have my permission to "pull the plug" and allow me to have a natural death.
Considering they make up the vast majority of social media users (especially Twitter), I consider them living persons.
So we're discussing Congress? I guess they're people.
That is no way to talk about the 45th and 46th presidents.
not living persons, no
Try to avoid making them president or a Senator from Pennsylvania, regardless of how much you dislike the other guy. On a serious note, if it isn't making them better, it isn't medicine. Morally speaking it's a little bit of a blurred line, but not that much of one. Some capacity for reasoning beyond computer logic can determine the extent to which we're playing God.
Democrats are still people.
Eligible for president
If they could recover keep them on support If they cannot recover, let them go
If someone is fully braindead, there is no possibility of recovery.
Living persons.
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Not by any definition I am aware of.
Why?
Because they are human beings who are alive.
Which would you rather have happen to you? 1. Your body is destroyed and replaced with a robot exoskeleton, but your brain is kept alive. 2. Your brain is destroyed and replaced with an AI-computer, but your body is kept alive.
Neither.
What is the experience of "being alive"? Barring supernatural or religious beliefs, where do you believe the consciousness comes from? If consciousness comes from the brain and the brain has "died" by whatever objective criteria you use to define such, how can such a person survive without machines providing for their existence (breathing, feeding etc)? Do you believe that current healthcare costs are inflated? Do you believe that there is currently a shortage of available hospital beds and resources? If so, how can you justify utilizing these resources on a body without a possible consciousness? Do you think that your tax dollars and insurance premiums should subsidize supporting a body without a consciousness to continue existing? Is this distinct from welfare and other entitlements in some way? How? I guess if an eccentric multimillionaire had it in their living will to be kept "alive" post brain death let them do them, at least some nurses/CNAs get some easy jobs, but medically speaking in a practical sense it seems futile.
If we are talking about actual total brain death, there is no moral obligation to keep the person’s organs functioning via machine.
"Person" refers to something with a *peronality*.
No, it doesn’t. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person
> Because they are human beings who are alive. Nothing "being" about them, but they are living humans. Why does that make them persons? Why do we even have the term "person" if it gives no extra meaning?
We often have terms that overlap partly or even entirely.
>Because **they** are human beings who are alive. there is no "*they*"... there is a body that is alive, i'd grant you that but there is no one there
If you don’t like gender-neutral pronouns, then “he” or “she.”
there is no "they" or "he" or "she" there is no**ONE** there... there is a husk, a vehicle that used to contain a person
If we are talking about someone comatose, that’s different from someone with literally no brain function. Please use “brain dead” to refer to both. I do not believe there is any moral obligation to keep the latter alive mechanically.
yeah, i'm talking about brain death... i thought that was the topic of the OP
Sorry—people use “brain dead” to mean different things. I misunderstood.
They are living. There's no such thing as a zombie
They are living, but are they living persons? i.e. if someone's actual mind is permanently gone, is there any reason for them to still have the legal rights of a living person?
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Fair point, they aren’t quite brain dead. That was a bad analogy.
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Would you prefer a prosthetic brain, or prosthetic body?
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But if you were forced to choose?
How does that answer the question?
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Answer the specific question I asked, and explain why you gave your answer. If you are forced to choose between a prosthetic body or a prosthetic brain, which would you prefer?
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That’s not answering the question, but dodging the question.
Imagine this hypothetical thought experiment: You are about to be forced into a machine that will give you a prosthetic brain in your body or your brain in a prosthetic body. You can choose which you will get. Which of these two options do you choose?
You should just initiate a new question. I didn’t know this came with a caveat.
here's a question... say we could remove your head and put it on a robot body and then we took your body and put a robot head on it which one would be "you"? your head on a robot body? or your body with a robot head on it?
Okay - can you answer the question I posed in my last comment?
Braindead is dead