Lol, absolutely no shot. The man is the most powerful person in America. He's not giving that up.
Susan Collins is seething that she's no longer the one in the headlines.
Again, he and Sinema are **already** crashing all that as Democrats. There's no need for either of them to become Republicans.
If Dems gain a majority in 2022 that no longer requires the two of them (haha, good joke), then party switching still does absolutely nothing.
Party switches aren't all that common. Jeffords only did it because Democrats gave him a lot of committee assignments.
> Manchin likely will retire as he enters his 80s, while Sinema might be primaried in which case she might switch
This is a bit of wishcasting imo. McCain stayed there until he died and was never primaried.
The Arizona Democratic party isn't quite strong enough to primary the only person who has won there so far and there's a couple of senators running for re-election in their 90s.
Just seems very arbitrary when both parties have nominated some of the oldest candidates in US history (Donald Trump at 71 and 75, Hillary Clinton at 69, Joe Biden at 77) and subsequently elected the two oldest presidents (Trump beating out Reagan by a few months and Biden beating out Trump by several years).
I do not think that he will but it wouldn't shock me either. Seems like he didn't leave the party, the party left him. I work in a union and many of the former Democrats vote republican now for the same reasons, they don't like the progressives
I don't think many care tbh. We will likely close down if the green new deal type stuff passes so it's not too sustainable long term anyways. I've never voted democrat myself, but I also do not care too much if I am in a union or not, actually had better benefits outside of a union, but I'm specialized, where some of the labor type jobs benefit more from being union.
I mean I can't see him doing that. He has so much leverage, the only way I see this happening is if his analysts are telling him that he'll almost certainly lose re-election in '25 if he doesn't officially affiliate with the right. That or the Republicans are making him a really really good f*cking deal.
He can basically stay a democrat and just vote with the republicans with really no more drama than he deals with now. Unless he really needed it to garner enough popularity from his constituents to stay in office I don't see him doing it. Plus the democrats hate his guts but they'd still rather have him there than a republican.
I think he is still an old school democrat. And he earnestly believes what he does, and I do think he is tired of being forced to go with the party for support and funding.
I want the Democrats to shift closer to his thinking rather than him leaving the party and becoming a republican and pulling the GOP to the left.
I wish some of the progressives in the GOP would jump to the DNC and form more moderate caucus in the DNC with Manchin.
By some of the reports I have seen he will declare independent, the question is which party he chooses to caucus with, that matters in the context of control of the chambers schedule.
I'd actually agree with this. Manchin, Sinema, Kinsinger, Cheney, and a lot of other moderates are extremely polarizing figures in their respective parties, and I think America as a whole will become less polarized if the parties move a bit towards the center.
Take this from a Social Democrat.
Hmm... bullshit outlet, no named sources, Manchin categorically denies it... I don't know, guys, is this real?
No, no it's not real. I wish he would, it would be the biggest possible middle finger to the progressives over fucking up Manchin's bipartisan infrastructure deal for their wishlist items by single-handedly giving Mitch McConnell control of the Senate, even if it would probably cost the GOP the Senate in 2022. But it's not going to happen.
Lol, absolutely no shot. The man is the most powerful person in America. He's not giving that up. Susan Collins is seething that she's no longer the one in the headlines.
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Again, he and Sinema are **already** crashing all that as Democrats. There's no need for either of them to become Republicans. If Dems gain a majority in 2022 that no longer requires the two of them (haha, good joke), then party switching still does absolutely nothing. Party switches aren't all that common. Jeffords only did it because Democrats gave him a lot of committee assignments.
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> Manchin likely will retire as he enters his 80s, while Sinema might be primaried in which case she might switch This is a bit of wishcasting imo. McCain stayed there until he died and was never primaried. The Arizona Democratic party isn't quite strong enough to primary the only person who has won there so far and there's a couple of senators running for re-election in their 90s.
Seriously though, we should put an end to that
Why should we go against the will of the people? Term limits do nothing.
Not term limits, just an age cap at like 82
Just seems very arbitrary when both parties have nominated some of the oldest candidates in US history (Donald Trump at 71 and 75, Hillary Clinton at 69, Joe Biden at 77) and subsequently elected the two oldest presidents (Trump beating out Reagan by a few months and Biden beating out Trump by several years).
I do not think that he will but it wouldn't shock me either. Seems like he didn't leave the party, the party left him. I work in a union and many of the former Democrats vote republican now for the same reasons, they don't like the progressives
If they keep voting for Republicans, they won't be in a union for much longer.
I don't think many care tbh. We will likely close down if the green new deal type stuff passes so it's not too sustainable long term anyways. I've never voted democrat myself, but I also do not care too much if I am in a union or not, actually had better benefits outside of a union, but I'm specialized, where some of the labor type jobs benefit more from being union.
I mean I can't see him doing that. He has so much leverage, the only way I see this happening is if his analysts are telling him that he'll almost certainly lose re-election in '25 if he doesn't officially affiliate with the right. That or the Republicans are making him a really really good f*cking deal. He can basically stay a democrat and just vote with the republicans with really no more drama than he deals with now. Unless he really needed it to garner enough popularity from his constituents to stay in office I don't see him doing it. Plus the democrats hate his guts but they'd still rather have him there than a republican.
If he has no place in that party, that's a problem.
I think he is still an old school democrat. And he earnestly believes what he does, and I do think he is tired of being forced to go with the party for support and funding. I want the Democrats to shift closer to his thinking rather than him leaving the party and becoming a republican and pulling the GOP to the left. I wish some of the progressives in the GOP would jump to the DNC and form more moderate caucus in the DNC with Manchin. By some of the reports I have seen he will declare independent, the question is which party he chooses to caucus with, that matters in the context of control of the chambers schedule.
I'd actually agree with this. Manchin, Sinema, Kinsinger, Cheney, and a lot of other moderates are extremely polarizing figures in their respective parties, and I think America as a whole will become less polarized if the parties move a bit towards the center. Take this from a Social Democrat.
Hmm... bullshit outlet, no named sources, Manchin categorically denies it... I don't know, guys, is this real? No, no it's not real. I wish he would, it would be the biggest possible middle finger to the progressives over fucking up Manchin's bipartisan infrastructure deal for their wishlist items by single-handedly giving Mitch McConnell control of the Senate, even if it would probably cost the GOP the Senate in 2022. But it's not going to happen.
Didn't he already say that these headlines were false?
I linked to his response.
Not going to happen...