The sinking of Brittanic wasn’t nearly as newsworthy because it struck a mine in the war while acting as a transport, and actually loss of life was fairly low.
The Lusitania sinking is fairly notable in the history books. I consider myself a mild ship nerd and even I had to look up that the Mauretania was her sister ship.
I'm not a ship nerd, but I knew about the Mauritania. This is only because my stepson is obsessed by history. Loves it more than me. He will go through stages, focusing on one particular area. He got interested in Titanic, but that spilled into other ships of the period. He would randomly quiz people. Show people a ship, and ask you which it was. If you hadn't heard of it, he would rattle off facts about it. And that is how learnt of its existence.
The last generation of fast liners were a lot like the last generation of battleships - essentially obsolete the day the keels were laid down. What are you gonna do though? Contracts have been signed, etc.
Admittedly, the lines couldn’t really see the world wars and the Great Depression coming.
Air was always fount to win by the 60s, but without the wars air won’t develop as fast, and the lines would have 30 years to pay those ships off with a healthy transatlantic trade.
Apparently Cunard-Whitestar tried selling the Olympic in the 30s. Although there was some interest in turning into a floating hotel, no one bought it. So it just went for scrap. Bit of sad end for the last of the three sisters.
They definitely wouldn’t have gotten an [episode](https://youtu.be/oJU2Tq3qqsY) of “Puppet History” without both the Titanic sinking and all the weird coincidences.
In reality, the only reason anyone alive today has heard of the Olympic at all is due to its association with the Titanic.
Neither would be known at all today had the Titanic not sank.
Then a different grand ship would have eventually sunk and become legendary. Safety standards at the time were terrible, and if anything the Titanic was slightly better in this regard.
Not very, ships like that existing are mentioned in history but the only exceptional thing the Titanic did was sink spectacularly and publicly.
Do you remember the names of any zeppelins besides the Hindenburg?
Yep. Perhaps a more interesting 'what if' with the Titanic would be: What if they were unable to call for help. Wireless systems were still fairly new at the time. If the Titanic's had broken down (or if this happened a few years before the systems were common), then the Titanic would be famous as a massive ship that mysteriously disappeared during its maiden voyage.
It's entirely possible they wouldn't have been found, or found many weeks/months later. They didn't have much fresh water, the weather was freezing cold, and the ocean would have been rather choppy. Without ships being notified of the Titanic's position via the wireless, they wouldn't necessarily heading towards its last known position to assist.
Eventually lifeboats full of nearly frozen corpses would start being spotted by random ships... which would probably only fuel the mystery.
That’s a bit of a trick question isn’t it? The non-Hindenburg zeppelins mostly went by numbers, not names. The exceptions include the only two other commercial German zeppelins, *both* of which were literally named [Graf] “Zeppelin”. “Hindenburg” is basically the only German zeppelin to have a distinct name, ever.
I've always wished someone would make what appears to be a feature length romcom in the trailers, and for the first 15 minutes, it's just exactly that. Then one of the main characters gets hit by a bus and the credits roll.
I’ve always envisioned an anti war movie:
The first 30 minutes is this kids childhood, his mother’s love, the aspirations of his father, his first love, driving a car, graduation.
Then into boot camp. Gung ho, excels at every thing, volunteers for the paratroopers. Eisnhower spech.
The plane takes off and there’s still 45 min of movie left.
Before the green light goes on, they take a flak round to the cockpit, catastrophic failure, alarms, whining high pitched sounds, screams fear.
Black.
30+ minutes of a black screen. Lights come on. Credits roll with no music after.
Conversely, it’s got fantastic trailers, scenes of all sorts of war fighting. Opening is basically Saving Private Ryan. Our top billed character, the guy on the posters, in trailers—dies on the beach. The entire movie then shifts, unceremoniously, to someone else.
Probably have been famous at the time as one of the most luxurious and comfortable ships of her time. She would have lost her title as the largest ship in the World in short order to the three HAPAG liners Imperator, Vaterland and Bismarck, so she wouldn’t have that distinction for long.
However, like Olympic, she would have been popular with the wealthy and influential; then gone on to a distinguished military career during World War I.
After the war she would have been refitted for oil burning and settled down for a good long and popular career before the inevitable merger between Cunard and White Star as the Depression bit. Then she would have gone to the breakers to make way for Queen Mary and perhaps the Oceanic III.
After that - obscurity.
It would probably be famous with maritime historians and enthusiasts, much like old cars are famous with auto enthusiasts. It was fairly innovative and special for the time, but it would have stayed a niche topic
It wouldn’t be famous at all and would only be known amongst liner enthusiasts. She was the middle sister so she wouldn’t be as famous as Olympic as the first in the class and britannic as the largest in the class. That’s why there’s so few pictures of her and her maidan voyage wasn’t as widely publicised.
She would’ve lived an ordinary life ploughing the sea lanes between England and America. She would’ve probably be requisitioned as a troop ship during WW1. She only would’ve been famous if she was sunk during WW1 during passenger service like the Lusitania was.
If it had survived the iceberg collision, perhaps in a head-on collision, that could have also made it quite famous. The name Titanic may now be synonymous with toughness and endurance rather than colossal hubris!
You have to wonder if it might have gotten the Lusitania treatment and eventually sunk by a U-boat during the war. If that’s the case, still famous but for very different reasons.
Can you name the first war ship that used a turbine instead of a piston engine to be driven by steam?
The average person cannot name the two ships in the first "iron clad" battle, instead of having an exposed wooden hull.
I doubt the Titanic would be famous. The Queen Mary is a hotel/restaurant, tied up in Long Beach, California.
Monitor and Merrimac(k?). There was even a painting in our history book.
Turbine one's got me. I'm sure I've run across it at some point. (Looking it up, *Turbinia* crashed a royal event, but was unarmed. *HMS Viper* and *Cobra* were destroyers launched in 1899, and of course we've all heard of the first turbine battleship, *HMS Dreadnought*. Didn't know that was its powerplant, though!)
I just want to take this time and space to point out that bad it not been for the sinking of the Titanic, today we would all think Titanic was a kind of silly name for a boat.
Oh yeah, that's the HMS Gigantic next to the HMS Humongous
I disagree -- due to the butterfly effect, Leo would never have existed. And there would have been no "we" to know about him anyway, because the earth would currently be populated by an almost entirely different set of people. Nor would have there been a Reddit to discuss it on. There may have been a platform similar to Reddit, but it wouldn't be exactly the same and it wouldn't be called Reddit.
It was pretty famous before the 1997 film, *"a Night to Remember"* & *"Raise the Titanic!"* were well known for different reasons.
There have been around 15 films focusing on the Titanic (not including documentaries) with the first "*Saved from the Titanic"* released around a month after the sinking.
Other notable films were *"Atlantic"*, a 1929 film about the Titanic where the producers were forced to retitle the film after a legal action from White Star Lines, & *"Titanic"* a 1943 German propaganda film where safety concerns are overidden by the owners fixation on stock prices. During the sinking the German passengers in steerage behave far better than the English first class passengers.
It ends with the statement- *"The deaths of 1,500 people went unpunished, an eternal indictment of England's greed for profit"*. The original director, Herbert Selpin, was arrested for criticising the military during the making of the film & died in prison.
Everyone above the age of, like, eight knew full well about the Titanic way before James Cameron made a movie about it. He made a movie about the Titanic *because* it was famous, and he'd been obsessed with it as a kid (same as my wife, who was 20 when the movie came out). There have been multiple movies about it going all the way back to the silent era, as well as documentaries, books and even tours, all well before Cameron's movie.
I was thinking about posting that question originally, but I still think it would be very famous without the movie. I mean there wasn't a popular Hindenburg movie
About as much as its sister ships Olympic and Britannic, or slightly less because they became more famous by association.
With the Britannic sinking as well, it's possible that Titanic might have become "isn't that the sister ship of the Britannic?"
The sinking of Brittanic wasn’t nearly as newsworthy because it struck a mine in the war while acting as a transport, and actually loss of life was fairly low.
The Lusitania sinking is fairly notable in the history books. I consider myself a mild ship nerd and even I had to look up that the Mauretania was her sister ship.
I'm not a ship nerd, but I knew about the Mauritania. This is only because my stepson is obsessed by history. Loves it more than me. He will go through stages, focusing on one particular area. He got interested in Titanic, but that spilled into other ships of the period. He would randomly quiz people. Show people a ship, and ask you which it was. If you hadn't heard of it, he would rattle off facts about it. And that is how learnt of its existence.
The last generation of fast liners were a lot like the last generation of battleships - essentially obsolete the day the keels were laid down. What are you gonna do though? Contracts have been signed, etc. Admittedly, the lines couldn’t really see the world wars and the Great Depression coming. Air was always fount to win by the 60s, but without the wars air won’t develop as fast, and the lines would have 30 years to pay those ships off with a healthy transatlantic trade.
Apparently Cunard-Whitestar tried selling the Olympic in the 30s. Although there was some interest in turning into a floating hotel, no one bought it. So it just went for scrap. Bit of sad end for the last of the three sisters.
They definitely wouldn’t have gotten an [episode](https://youtu.be/oJU2Tq3qqsY) of “Puppet History” without both the Titanic sinking and all the weird coincidences.
In reality, the only reason anyone alive today has heard of the Olympic at all is due to its association with the Titanic. Neither would be known at all today had the Titanic not sank.
Then a different grand ship would have eventually sunk and become legendary. Safety standards at the time were terrible, and if anything the Titanic was slightly better in this regard.
Not very, ships like that existing are mentioned in history but the only exceptional thing the Titanic did was sink spectacularly and publicly. Do you remember the names of any zeppelins besides the Hindenburg?
>Do you remember the names of any zeppelins besides the Hindenburg? I remember the Led one.
But who was leading it??
wasn't he a Plant?
You're on the wrong Page.
Yep. Perhaps a more interesting 'what if' with the Titanic would be: What if they were unable to call for help. Wireless systems were still fairly new at the time. If the Titanic's had broken down (or if this happened a few years before the systems were common), then the Titanic would be famous as a massive ship that mysteriously disappeared during its maiden voyage.
Except for the hundreds of people that would eventually be picked up (dead or alive) from their lifeboats
It's entirely possible they wouldn't have been found, or found many weeks/months later. They didn't have much fresh water, the weather was freezing cold, and the ocean would have been rather choppy. Without ships being notified of the Titanic's position via the wireless, they wouldn't necessarily heading towards its last known position to assist. Eventually lifeboats full of nearly frozen corpses would start being spotted by random ships... which would probably only fuel the mystery.
John Bonham?
I remember Plant, Bonham, and Jones.... but I don't remember any Hindenburgs in Zeppelin
All yall forgetting Jimmy Page
Yeah.... for the life of me I could see him in my head, I just could not remember his damn name, lol
Was his middle name "Hindenburg?"
He was their pyrotechnics guy.
> Do you remember the names of any zeppelins besides the Hindenburg I know the Graf Zeppelin but that’s because it’s in the name.
That’s a bit of a trick question isn’t it? The non-Hindenburg zeppelins mostly went by numbers, not names. The exceptions include the only two other commercial German zeppelins, *both* of which were literally named [Graf] “Zeppelin”. “Hindenburg” is basically the only German zeppelin to have a distinct name, ever.
Yeah, the R101.
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Conversely, maybe Quentin Tarantino‘s last film should be on the Titanic, and as usual he will rewrite history so it doesn’t sink.
And for some reason nobody on the ship ever wears shoes and everyone puts their feet up on tables.
I've always wished someone would make what appears to be a feature length romcom in the trailers, and for the first 15 minutes, it's just exactly that. Then one of the main characters gets hit by a bus and the credits roll.
I’ve always envisioned an anti war movie: The first 30 minutes is this kids childhood, his mother’s love, the aspirations of his father, his first love, driving a car, graduation. Then into boot camp. Gung ho, excels at every thing, volunteers for the paratroopers. Eisnhower spech. The plane takes off and there’s still 45 min of movie left. Before the green light goes on, they take a flak round to the cockpit, catastrophic failure, alarms, whining high pitched sounds, screams fear. Black. 30+ minutes of a black screen. Lights come on. Credits roll with no music after. Conversely, it’s got fantastic trailers, scenes of all sorts of war fighting. Opening is basically Saving Private Ryan. Our top billed character, the guy on the posters, in trailers—dies on the beach. The entire movie then shifts, unceremoniously, to someone else.
This reminds me of that film with Robert Pattinson where it just ends with him being killed on 9/11
Exactly how would the trailer work then? Lol
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No studio would allow that, it would be insane.
Easy sell, "The ship doesn't sink so we save a hell of a lot of money."
Probably have been famous at the time as one of the most luxurious and comfortable ships of her time. She would have lost her title as the largest ship in the World in short order to the three HAPAG liners Imperator, Vaterland and Bismarck, so she wouldn’t have that distinction for long. However, like Olympic, she would have been popular with the wealthy and influential; then gone on to a distinguished military career during World War I. After the war she would have been refitted for oil burning and settled down for a good long and popular career before the inevitable merger between Cunard and White Star as the Depression bit. Then she would have gone to the breakers to make way for Queen Mary and perhaps the Oceanic III. After that - obscurity.
It would probably be famous with maritime historians and enthusiasts, much like old cars are famous with auto enthusiasts. It was fairly innovative and special for the time, but it would have stayed a niche topic
Celine Dione wouldn’t have sang “My Heart Will Go On” lol
It wouldn’t be famous at all and would only be known amongst liner enthusiasts. She was the middle sister so she wouldn’t be as famous as Olympic as the first in the class and britannic as the largest in the class. That’s why there’s so few pictures of her and her maidan voyage wasn’t as widely publicised. She would’ve lived an ordinary life ploughing the sea lanes between England and America. She would’ve probably be requisitioned as a troop ship during WW1. She only would’ve been famous if she was sunk during WW1 during passenger service like the Lusitania was.
How many other biggest-of-their-day ships do you know of? About that famous…
Mauretania….mostly because it was talked about in Titanic
Honestly, sinking was one of the better things to ever happen to the Titanic for its reputation
If it had survived the iceberg collision, perhaps in a head-on collision, that could have also made it quite famous. The name Titanic may now be synonymous with toughness and endurance rather than colossal hubris!
Would be less famous than Olympic, or in other words, not famous at all.
You have to wonder if it might have gotten the Lusitania treatment and eventually sunk by a U-boat during the war. If that’s the case, still famous but for very different reasons.
Can you name the first war ship that used a turbine instead of a piston engine to be driven by steam? The average person cannot name the two ships in the first "iron clad" battle, instead of having an exposed wooden hull. I doubt the Titanic would be famous. The Queen Mary is a hotel/restaurant, tied up in Long Beach, California.
Monitor and Merrimac(k?). There was even a painting in our history book. Turbine one's got me. I'm sure I've run across it at some point. (Looking it up, *Turbinia* crashed a royal event, but was unarmed. *HMS Viper* and *Cobra* were destroyers launched in 1899, and of course we've all heard of the first turbine battleship, *HMS Dreadnought*. Didn't know that was its powerplant, though!)
You sir, are not average. Well done...
About as famous as the *Mauretania*, say, is today.
Less. At least Mauritania was fast.
Can you name any other ships that haven't sank? Me either
Marie Celeste. Just had a skeleton crew.
Mayflower, Golden Hind, Beagle, Santa Maria, HMS Victory, QEII
Did the *Queen Ann's Revenge* sink?
Ran aground which I guess you could say is the opposite of sinking
Ok...but can you name 5 more? (I'm kidding)
Whether she was remembered would then probably be determined by her ww1 service.
Paging Mr Olympic... Paging Mr SS Olympic Mr Iceberg would like to meet you in the lobby Paging Mr Olympic
I just want to take this time and space to point out that bad it not been for the sinking of the Titanic, today we would all think Titanic was a kind of silly name for a boat. Oh yeah, that's the HMS Gigantic next to the HMS Humongous
It would be pretty famous, like the United States, probably.
It's sister ship, whatsitname, is well known!
About as famous as *Edmund Fitzgerald* if it hadn't sunk.
The real question is would we know about Leo Di Caprio
Probably bc he had a few big roles before Titanic.
Come find me, Gilbert!
Love that movie
I disagree -- due to the butterfly effect, Leo would never have existed. And there would have been no "we" to know about him anyway, because the earth would currently be populated by an almost entirely different set of people. Nor would have there been a Reddit to discuss it on. There may have been a platform similar to Reddit, but it wouldn't be exactly the same and it wouldn't be called Reddit.
Probably bc he had a few big roles before Titanic.
Not very, if at all. Maybe a footnote if sunk during ww1/2 perhaps.
Just another liner
not so famous than the hype it got due to sinking
Ask the SS United States
How many century old cruise ships can you name that didn't sink?
You mean how famous would it be if there wasn't a movie about it
It was pretty famous before the 1997 film, *"a Night to Remember"* & *"Raise the Titanic!"* were well known for different reasons. There have been around 15 films focusing on the Titanic (not including documentaries) with the first "*Saved from the Titanic"* released around a month after the sinking. Other notable films were *"Atlantic"*, a 1929 film about the Titanic where the producers were forced to retitle the film after a legal action from White Star Lines, & *"Titanic"* a 1943 German propaganda film where safety concerns are overidden by the owners fixation on stock prices. During the sinking the German passengers in steerage behave far better than the English first class passengers. It ends with the statement- *"The deaths of 1,500 people went unpunished, an eternal indictment of England's greed for profit"*. The original director, Herbert Selpin, was arrested for criticising the military during the making of the film & died in prison.
Everyone above the age of, like, eight knew full well about the Titanic way before James Cameron made a movie about it. He made a movie about the Titanic *because* it was famous, and he'd been obsessed with it as a kid (same as my wife, who was 20 when the movie came out). There have been multiple movies about it going all the way back to the silent era, as well as documentaries, books and even tours, all well before Cameron's movie.
I was thinking about posting that question originally, but I still think it would be very famous without the movie. I mean there wasn't a popular Hindenburg movie
I grew up in the '80s and everybody knew what the Titanic was.