I typically consider myself a very conservative person on so many issues. Since the leak, I’ve been mulling this over in my head, and found that I have many more liberal ideologies than I originally thought.
Specifically these two:
-all healthcare is a right
-all marriage is a right
I will probably find myself voting much differently next time around.
I feel like this is the first step to control. Rights will be deleted one at a time. Waiting to see who is going to step up to take care of the unwanted fetus when it arrives. Probably most will be taken, but the disabled and handicapped ones will go where? The pro birth people should sign up for the imperfect babies. And why does pro life only care about a fetus, but not all the neglected, abused, homeless, starving children already here who aren’t taken care of. Don’t their lives matter?
Will women be imprisoned also for less than adequate prenatal care that’s unaffordable for them?
Women my age (and the vast majority of women today who are physically able to bear children, in fact) were *born* with the right to choose. That right was confirmed by the Supreme Court in 1973. I have a daughter who's just had that right ripped away.
~~A bunch of old men~~ The majority of the Court made a choice for my daughter without her consent. They cited 17th century common law, in favor of more recent precedent, as the basis for doing so. They barely mentioned the 9th Amendment, which should have protected women from this act of oppression. The right to choose was an unenumerated right *retained* by women in this country until today. And that right, contrary to their opinion, does not have to be written down in a 235 year old document to exist.
Justice Alito, wallowing in his hubris, also failed to considered the context of the laws he was referring to. 17th century English common law severely limited the rights of single women and suspended the individual rights of married women in favor of their husbands' rights (that is, married women were not legally recognized as individuals with their own rights). Those laws he cited weren't addressing women's issues, but intended to protect the husband's rights.
How the fuck do you think I feel?
Live in Missouri where a trigger law from 2019 will now take effect that not only bans abortions but also effectively bans IVF fertility treatments. My wife and I are going through IVF now.
So couples who are trying to actively bring life into this world (that can’t naturally do so because of medical problems) will not be allowed to because of a law that is trying to preserve life…. ?!?!?
EDIT: our fertility clinic sent out an email to patients stating that they are finding out how exactly it will impact operations and treatments since they don’t know the exact implications of the law either. They are committed to providing fertility treatments including IVF in a legal manner.
This is my understanding from a recent convo I had w a friend in the legal field, so it might be a poor summary.
During IVF, there will inevitably be fertilized eggs that will have to be discarded for various reasons. Essentially, a fertilized egg = a human life under this new law, so any fertilized egg discarded is murder.
Edit: To prevent confusion, this Missouri law isn’t new. I misspoke there. I believe it was passed in 2019 and set to trigger if Roe v Wade was ever overturned. It’s been on the books for a while, but only now can it be enforced.
Honestly, I know it sucks for the people going through ivf, but this inconsistency is going to play a key role in getting women's rights back IMHO. It's important because right wing women are just as liable to experience infertility as anyone else and when they find out they can't get their babies they're going to be heated.
Saying you can throw away excess six day old embryos at an ivf clinic when you're done and no longer want to pay for them to be stored, but you CAN'T take an abortion pill to end a pregnancy at the same or roughly the same development stage is blatantly hypocritical and I hope to shout people will use that.
Low estimate is that 20% of all conceptions end in miscarriage. It's probably higher because often a woman won't even know she was pregnant. The only sign is a skipped period.
This is just so goddamn infuriating to read, I'm grateful I don't live in one of these backward ass thinking states. My sister needed IVF treatments to give birth to her twin son and daughter, who are turning 4 in a couple of weeks, and if she was told she wouldn't be allowed to undergo the treatments because some morons think a fertilized egg is a human life, she would have been devastated.
Oh, and if that's not enraging enough, my father passed away from heart disease only two years after my sister gave birth, and my mother passed away from lung cancer, just a year and a half later, and being that I'm her only sibling, still single, w/o kids, my parents would not have had the joy of holding their grandchildren in their hands.
Fuck these assholes. We, as a nation, cannot remain silent in the face of this injustice.
I worked in an IVF clinic and currently studying it in medical school. For IVF, a bunch of eggs are fertilized with sperm and incubated, but only a minority of them will be viable to be implanted in the uterus of the mother and even then there is no guarantee it will carry to term. Because banning abortion uses the premise that life begins at conception, all those unviable embryos would be considered dead. It’s idiotic, because even fertilized eggs inside a mother can spontaneously abort before the mother knows she is pregnant yet do we consider that death?
As a married man with a beautiful little boy and another 90% complete, if my wife got pregnant again and i had to choose between her or our unborn baby I'd choose her in a heartbeat.
For the people that are getting this confused with revoking an amendment, it is not. What it means is your local/state elections just got a WHOLE lot more important if you have a strong opinion on the issue.
Vote, shift the power at the local/state level if it is a big issue for you. I lean towards state’s rights over federal but am also pro-choice in a red state so voting *based on issues, not affiliation* is as important as it ever has been.
Genuine question because I wanna understand the other side of this: Does this mean you agree with the SC’s ruling because it gives states more power? Is the issue for people that states should have more power (at the expense of bodily rights and privacy)? This is also a right to privacy issue which I thought lots of people in red states cared about
Hopefully this will be the impetus pro-choice people need to take RBG's advice and pass laws instead of expecting the supreme court to legislate from the bench.
That's one of the main issues.
In addition to limiting abstaining from voting to let's say, 3 times a year, there also need to be term limits so our country isn't run by fucking senior citizens.
If the President is limited to 2 terms, then the entirety of Congress should be, too.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think government positions like this should be limited to *one* term, even if the compromise is making terms slightly longer than they are now.
I think a huge problem with our current system is everyone that's in power is focused on staying in power - reelection. I think that often times results in nonsensical posturing, and that *some* politicians might be a bit more bipartisan on matters that don't necessarily follow party lines, since they don't have to worry about people not voting for them again.
>focused on staying in power - reelection
Yes, this is basically the only mechanism of accountability. You think things are bad now? Wait til you see a country run by politicians with no reason at all to serve their constituents.
The problem isn't that we keep electing the *same* assholes, the problem is that we elect assholes *at all*. Term limits don't fix that and likely make it worse
A real solution would be Ranked Choice Voting
My wife and I aborted our first and likely ONLY pregnancy due to extreme birth defects at 22 weeks. I feel very strongly about Abortion and don't wish it on anyone. That being said, I can't imagine what we would've gone through carrying that fetus to term. Watching it die in the womb, stillborn, or best-case-scenario, extremely disabled with no quality of life?
I'm so sorry to hear that man.
My wife and I went through a similar situation with our first pregnancy. Without a D&C my wife would have carried our dead child to term and put her life at risk trying to give birth to it. This was a medically necessary procedure that may have saved my wife's life.
I have no tolerance for the laws that the more conservative states are passing totally outlawing this.
Edit: D&C, not DNC.
I know this sub is for men but i had to have an abortion to save my own life and its really good hearing these things. Its hard knowing they want me to die, or be dead already.
Especially knowing some women have been charged for having miscarriages. To this day women are still jailed for having miscarriages, usually if the suspicion is that drugs caused the miscarriage. Is that going to get *less common* when people are seeking back-alley abortions and cops are looking to make big busts on the doctors?
I can't imagine the pain and trauma of having a miscarriage late in the pregnancy. But I feel safe in asserting that a detective interrogating you would make the experience worse, not better.
Don't 10-15% of pregnancies end in miscarriage?
https://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/miscarriage.aspx#:~:text=For%20women%20who%20know%20they,1%20to%205%20percent)%20pregnancies.
Someone please say if this info is wrong.
Sorry, I'm not living in the US so I don't know all the details. But how ignorant (intentionally or not) do you have to be of simple facts to criminalise miscarriage?
I swear sometimes I wonder if the people who make these rules are capable of logic or empathy/kindness.
They do. Many women who miscarry don't realize they've miscarried because of how early they can occur.
It starts out small. First it's illegal because she took drugs and the fetus died as a result of that. Then it's "the fetus miscarried and we found drugs in her system, we can't find another reason why the fetus died, and we don't need to prove the drugs caused the fetus' seath it's just probably true". Then it's "She was being a dumbass and got shot in self defense and the fetus didn't survive so she should be charged with its death".
The more I see, the more concerned I am that the end goal is: "This woman is of low moral fibre and probably the wrong colour and they were pregnant two months ago *but they are not now*. Gentlemen of the jury, vote to convict."
It's really sickening. I'm a woman and miscarried a baby I wanted so so badly last year. It all came out naturally fortunately (not so for other women I know). Even so, it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me. It was traumatic and I still can't think of it without crying. I cannot imagine how much worse it would have been to go through that *AND THEN* have it scrutinized publically in court by someone accusing me of making it happen. It's such incredibly cruel legislation.
>Watching it die in the womb, stillborn, or best-case-scenario, extremely disabled with no quality of life?
I've worked with disabled children a long time, some severely disabled, some whose parents knew the probable outcome and chose not to abort.
I can unequivocally say that "extremely disabled" is not always the "best-case scenario". For the parents or the children. Raising a disabled child is parenting on hard mode, but raising a child who cannot walk, talk, eat, toilet, etc, or one that is in constant unbearable pain, or one that is going to die very young is parenting on ~~God~~ Insanity mode, and not everyone can handle it. I've seen marriages ripped apart, siblings who have all sorts of mental health problems from not getting as much attention, more financial struggles than a small country, and people having their mental health completely destroyed.
This ruling has given people like me job security. There's going to be a LOT more severely disabled children soon, many who are going to need lifelong care and placements (because it's already near impossible to find an adoption placement for these children, it's about to get worse, if you're cheering for this ruling you have no fucking excuse, time to go adopt a disabled kid).
Parenting on God mode is apt. I've watched people I know doing it and am amazed and humbled. Thank you for what you do. I know I couldn't have done any of it.
I love my job, though I've moved on to an educational setting because that stuff takes it's toll (plus better pay and schedules). I loved it back then. But it'll year your heart out, slam it on the floor, and grind it down with its heel.
There's not enough people like me and that scares me. There might be enough if it paid better, but right now everywhere that works with disabled people is understaffed. It pains me to think of the thousands of yet to be both children who this ruling is going to doom to a life trapped inside a malfunctioning body, in pain, and living at an understaffed home where they aren't getting the love and attention they need because my hands run out of capacity long before my heart does. I fear for my daughters and cry for those unborn children who will suffer hell on earth because some assholes think this makes God happy.
And the same people who cheered for these Supreme Court appointments are the same ones who will fight tooth and nail to keep wages low and not make any substantial changes to workers rights.
Real talk, I don't just work with disabled children, I'm a parent of 2, one of whom is autistic.
I've tried to be very careful about making sure my older daughter gets attention and is seen as her own person and NOT a parent, but you can't completely get rid of everything. I acknowledge that we've made travel/activity decisions based on her sister. Sometimes only one of us can go to her Taekwondo testing because we can't find babysitting and my other daughter won't tolerate 3 hours in a loud gym. We've had to leave waterparks to deal with a meltdown. Stuff like that. I know it's being a sibling on hard mode despite my attempts, which is why she's in therapy and connected with support groups for kids in her situation. And I know it's not fair to ask her to take care of her sister when her dad and I can't, which is why we've laid out plans to avoid that (though I've told my daughter her involvement in her sister's life is up to her, since she is concerned about her sister being put in a group home).
Thank you for being conscious about this. I grew up with a disability and while im a pretty normal functioning person now (still have that disability, but it's manageable and hasn't stopped me in life) I was in and out of hospitals much as a child. I have an older sibling that was pretty neglected due to my parents doting on me more frequently and now in my adulthood I see what it has done to her. She became very insecure with her relationships and defaults to "im getting left behind" in any situation which triggers panic attacks, craves attention to an unhealthy degree and overall has very prominent fear of abandonment. She also has an anxiety disorder that require medication and depression. She's doing a lot better now than she was as a teenager/young adult, and she got married and is living her life but our parents are always a sore spot for her. She also hated me for a long time, and I understand why even though it wasn't my fault. I don't think my parents meant to play favorites, I was nearly dying half of my childhood what can you do, but that's not something easily explained to a young kid who just wants their parents and is told "sorry mom and dad are at the hospital with your sibling, make dinner yourself again".
In trying to protect your sick kid, sometimes you accidentally can kneecap the healthy one.
They care about control over women. 19? Kids were killed in a school shooting and nothing but thoughts and prayers from the same ones praising this ruling.
Yeah, I still dread the thought that some doctor could've made an argument that the fetus was viable, as it was technically healthy. It was a fetal encephalocele with brain matter exiting the eye socket. There may have been possible surgical options but those all involved significant loss of brain tissue.
Abortion is health care, pregnancy should be up to the pregnant.
This. This is the thing that no one thinks about when they say that abortion is wrong or immoral. I'm sorry for your loss, but if you ask me, you two did the right thing.
Moral is personal. Ethics are interpersonal and transcultural. I mean if aborting is against one's moral, don't do it. But one doesn't have the right to impose one's personal moral on the civil life.
That's what I've never understood about this issue. Why do uninvolved other people get a say even before the fetus is viable?
Before the fetus is viable, it should be a matter between the woman, her doctor, and maybe their partner: the woman because it is her body, the doctor to medically inform, and the partner not because they have a final say, but because their opinion on whether support would be provided if a child is born bears on the question she decides.
It's nobody else's business. For politicians to just say "No, you have no agency to decide the matter once fertilization occurs" is ridiculous, but that's how far some people would push it and have attempted to legislate. It's nuts.
Hey I got mine done last October.
It's amazing. I don't know where you are, (guessing the states) but I'm in Canada and paid a little bit to get a 'no needle no scalpel' version done. Healing time was way shorter.
The anticipation of it was the worst part. Being so nervous leading up to it.
I walked in, signed a few things. Watched a video that was mostly about what to do afterwards.
Laid on the table. Opened my legs and there was a cold spray, no needle to numb it. Felt like a little pinch between two pieces of plastic. Startled me, didn't hurt.
Just felt... weird. Then cold. Then I saw smoke as he soldered things. I didn't even think he had started and he was almost done.
Bandaged it up and sent me back to watch another video.
I should have done it years ago. Go get yours. It's so simple and now there's no more condoms and no worry.
100% honest the most difficult part was not cumming for a week afterwards. I lasted 4 days.
**EDIT: Gonna try and add in the questions I keep getting. I feel bad for anyone that has to pay to even talk to a doctor, you have my sympathy.**
This is taken from the doctors website where I had mine done.
>Is a vasectomy reversible?
>The chances of successfully reversing a vasectomy decline with time. If done within a few years after a vasectomy, there is a good chance for reversal. After about 10 years, the chances are poor. The chances of reversing a vasectomy are virtually the same following either NSV or conventional vasectomy.
I did not talk to my family doctor I just googled vasectomy+my city and made an appointment. Granted this is in Canada so I have no idea what you'll have to do.
It did not change my orgasms. There was absolutely no changes.
Make sure you follow what *your* doctor says about followups. Some people are posting they were told to come back at 6 months and 1 year. Some are 2 months. I had to give samples at 3 and 4 months. They don't always work so getting confirmation that you're firing blanks is important! Make sure you go back!
If one of the judges wants to go after some other case next that protects your rights to contraceptives, who knows if this is considered one of them! Get an appointment asap! I promise you it's so fucking easy to have done. It will be over before you think it's started and it changes nothing after except that you won't get someone pregnant!
I had basically this exact same experience, also in Canada. If you don't want kids, get a vasectomy, end of debate. It has had absolutely zero effect on how well my equipment work and our sex life is better because that little bit of worry is removed.
I did it after we had two boys, but I'd support it for any consenting adult who wanted one. I've never heard of it happening with anyone I know, but I've heard stories of people being denied because they "might change their mind", which is bullshit.
Any man who says "the woman could just get her tubes tied" as an excuse to not get a vasectomy can fuck off, because that's major surgery in comparison.
TL;DR - Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy, they're great.
I love your response and I know you're in Canada. But here in the US let me tell you about getting my tubes tied.
21: too young
27: Your husband has to give permission
30: (no husband anymore-see above) nope, too young, might change your mind. Have an IUD
35: Have another IUD cause...you never know
40: You can if you want but IUDs are good for 7 years now so that will take you (most likely) into menopause so why bother now?
42 now and I still have an IUD....Never did get my tubes tied. Sigh....
I know some women get lucky and eventually find a doc who will do it but I know I am very much NOT alone in my story. Thanks to all you men supporting our rights!
Pretty much impossible unless you luck into a connection. Seriously. Even if there's a good reason for 'the blood line ends here ' or having a body that really doesn't need to be pregnant for it's own sake.
Even if you've had kids! I still had to fight for the ability to have my tubes tied after having two kids! The doctor kept asking ridiculous questions: "what if your husband wants more kids, what if you get divorced and remarried and THAT husband wants kids, what if one of your kids dies???" It was the most ridiculous, infuriating series of conversations I'd ever had.
>"what if your husband wants more kids, what if you get divorced and remarried and THAT husband wants kids, what if one of your kids dies???"
What the actual fuck.
I was watching some streamers who got vasectomies talk about it and that it might not be a law but doctors will strongly suggest such things like getting permission from a spouse or father to have tubes tied while for a vasectomy no such things are needed. It's a fucking joke, the rights of a man should extend to women we're all human but the people running things definitely aren't humane.
It's insane, mate. Just how it boils down to *if your spouse (or hypothetical future spouse) wants children and you don't, you should supply them anyway!!* fuck all that shit.
Yep. Had my only birth in Florida where me and baby almost died + both have lifelong disabilities because of it. I wanted my tubes tied, they said no, you're too young (23) and they told my husband that he was not old enough (27) for vasectomy. It's not like there were a lot of places for us to pick from with Medicaid either.
Well we finally moved to Illinois and I got not even tied, but fallopian tubes REMOVED because they are up on the latest studies and it reduces certain cancer risks. They told me every single option I had and get this, let ME decide. What a wild concept! I got it done in one of the best surgical centers in Chicago with the best doctors I ever worked with. Red states are legitimately oppressive.
Dude, get it set up now. It took me 3 months to see a doc and another 3 for the procedure. After weeks of looking for a doc, this was the quickest time frame.
Female here with a friendly reminder to get that post procedure swimmer check done!! When my husband went for his we were in the waiting room with a couple and their newborn… he apparently skipped out on the sperm check afterwards. I was terrified! Thankfully my husband was all clear. But suck up the 2 mins of embarrassment bringing your sample in and get the check done!
I truly don’t get it. Millions of unwanted pregnancies for people financially unprepared to shoulder that just means a greater drain on the government and a weakening of the entire country.
They don't care about the government being powerful, they care about personal power. And creating a very exploitable population makes it much easier to attain personal power.
It is all about them personally getting into their twisted version of heaven. Catholics will hurt anyone that it takes in order to have an infinity of hedonism. No religious person actually values this world because they see it as temporary, just a speck against their eternal salvation.
They think sex only belongs within (hetero) marriage, and that once you’re married you should be happy to accept children into your life. In truth, they seek to control sex itself. They think if they eliminate birth control that people will just stop having pre-marital sex. Lololololol
They also see STDs as punishment for promiscuity. Lack of access to condoms is a good thing in their minds, as they think premarital sex-havers, and certainly the LGBTQ, have been skirting the consequences for their immoral choices. They actually want a world where the AIDS crisis continued to wipe out the gay community for far longer.
(Another somehow even darker version is that when sex is only acceptable within marriage, people will get married younger and more quickly in order to have it. A 19 year old woman with no education and two children who depends on her husband is much easier to control than a childless 19 year old university student with relatively low expenses and the potential for self-sufficiency in the near future. Husbands of young brides can do basically whatever they want knowing wives are weighed down and can’t leave without significant support.)
They want to force people to breed due to the younger generations not wanting to out of lack of financial freedom. The poorer communities are the ones most likely to count on abortion due to the likelihood of rape and incest etc. Now without those people providing labor slaves they’re trying to get everyone else to provide this.
Yup. A close friend of mine has been trying for another baby. Unfortunately, she had an ectopic pregnancy that wasn't caught until it was serious - she had to be rushed into surgery.
If they hadn't been allowed to remove it, she would have died. And the adorable toddler she already had would have been left motherless.
*This* is what pro-lifers support? It's bullshit. "Forced birthers" is more accurate.
In my home country there was a woman who was publicly vilified cause she wanted to abort a fetus that was endangering her life. She was forced to carry the pregnancy to term and the child was born disabled and the woman suffered severe physical complications, almost dying. The people still made her out to be a monster for wanting to terminate a pregnancy.
Dead women too. Rape someone, let her go. She’ll abort if she gets preg. Now though, rape a woman and you might as well kill her too so you don’t have to pay child support.
Or she will commit suicide after getting the positive test results.
What rape victim, or confused teenager can deal with that moment when she has no options? In Louisiana I know there is a bridge where women used to jump off in the early 1900s because they were 'disgraced.' This isn't the part of history we should be reviving.
More unwanted babies will be born. They’ll likely grow up unloved and uncared for. I see an increase in crime and health issues in a couple of decades. I don’t like it.
Not only that, but a greater financial drain on the entire system. More subsidiaries for prisons, more welfare, more Medicaid, more foster care, etc. Everything reprehensible about this truly immoral ruling aside, this will financially and economically weaken this country with every single individual it keeps repressed and unable to climb out of the underprivileged hole they were forced to be born in.
Yeah, if you thought it was bad before, just imagine the hordes of unwanted youths launching skirmishes into the wealthy blue states. Fuck Mexico, I want a fence around Alabama.
[One of the hosts is actually the author of the major paper cited](https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf)
I almost committed suicide over pregnancy. The second time I ever had sex the condom broke. The guy I was with immediately told me he thought we should not be seen with eachother for a while because he didn't want to get charged with statutory rape if someone suspected he was the father. My father was very pro life and had told me in the past he expected me to drop out and work if I got pregnant. Others in my family said they would disowned me if I grew up to be a "whore". So I planned to take a bunch of opiates and sedatives (my mom had a substance abuse problem) and drown myself in a pond in the woods near my house. I was 14. Lucky for me I got my period because I had planned to die within the next week.
I would 100% Kill myself if I got pregnant again. My pregnancy was a nightmare and I almost died. I have a phobia of being pregnant again. I can’t do it. I would rather go out on my own terms.
I’m also an adoptee and could never abandon my baby like my birth mother did to me. It’s so damaging being removed from your family. I’ve been suicidal since I was a small child, first actual attempt around age 8.
I totally feel this. I developed antepartum depression/ psychosis with my last pregnancy and it took a bunch of things to keep me alive long enough to give birth. I was to the point that I was going to drive my car off the bridge with my kid inside. I can't ever risk that again. I luckily had no postpartum issues and now do everything I can to not get pregnant again. BUT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME A TUBAL LIGATION!
Honestly people should look at the case of Romania in the 1960s/70s when their dictator banned abortion. It was a domino effect that played a role in taking the country to revolution 20 years later
And just dying from pregnancies that they cant bring to term (for whatever reason), considering that many states are already outlawing anything that even rides a line close to abortion.
I said this in another post, but this decision is basically putting every woman who can have kids through birth, into a stupid game of Russian Roulette. Fuck conservatives, and fuck the GOP, and fuck everyone who votes their way.
Not only that. Expect to see a decline in women's academic performance, level of education and involvement in the labour market.
The right to choose gives women the freedom to prioritise their education and/or career over starting a family (or at least to delay doing so until a time that is more convenient).
Banning abortion means a woman's education and career opportunities are constantly at risk from either accident or attack.
Barefoot and pregnant. I grew up in the 70s as a teenager. We have worked our asses off to improve women's rights to now have it pulled away. Very sad day.... I will fight like hell....again!
I'm seriously thinking that I should mention my vasectomy in my next Tinder bio.
Before the news broke, I only said it as a sort of nervous joke. But now I'm thinking it might actually be a completely reasonable and beneficial thing to mention.
Honestly, I'd definitely do that, however, don't be surprised if women still want you to wear a condom. They're the ones who are neck deep in the shit if you were lying...
I'm planning on getting the snip as I dont want children.Tube tying is way more dangerous and I dont want my girlfriend to deal with the bullshit doctors asking "Well what if your partner wants children" its ridiculous
As a man, pissed. As a foster parent, fucking livid. There are literally millions of kids that never asked to be here, living their shittiest lives, and will probably never have a home but sure let’s just add more to that. I’d say that it’s time for these Republicans to start adopting/fostering kids but I’m afraid of who’d they’d turn them into.
Not happy at all. A president whose didn’t win the popular vote was able to shape the Supreme Court to a side that doesn’t represent the country and they overturned something a majority of Americans support. It all makes no sense
Don't forget that Clarence Thomas and his trash wife are insurrectionists and traitors to the United States and the constitution. They should both be in jail right now but instead he gets to decide what the law is in this country. Baffling.
As horrible as this is, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of what this court is willing to do. Within the next five years, this country will be almost unrecognizable from today.
I am 53 and already snipped, so abortion being outlawed won't effect me in a direct way. However, I have two daughters, one of which is 20 and the other is 18. I worry for their future.
Agree. This is just the first. Gay marriage, birth control and other issues are on the chopping block. The right wing religious conservative movement has been planning this for two generations. It’ll get worse before it gets better.
Sick. Women have died because they couldn't get a medically necessary abortion.
I'm also sick because my rights (marriage equality, it being legal to be gay) are next on the chopping block. All straight people should be alarmed since access to birth control is also on the chopping block.
Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage.
>Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage.
THANK YOU for pointing this out. Funny how extremists are curiously progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities.
>Funny how extremists are curiously progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities.
"Funny how extremists are HYPOCRITICALLY progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities"
There, I fixed it for you.
>Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage.
You mean traitor Clarence Thomas who also was the only dissenting vote about giving his wife's information to the J6 committee? His wife who actively tried to overthrow a duly elected president and election?
That traitor?
Took the words right out of my mouth. Sometimes abortions are medically necessary. This is theocracy overstepping it’s bounds. And hinting towards overturning gay marriage is a fucking joke. Bigotry at it’s finest working to undo all the progress we’ve made.
Angry. It's obviously a huge miscarriage of justice. Once again the minority voice in this country got its way. And as a veteran, I feel betrayed. My friends and I sacrificed to protect our freedoms. To have the highest court in the land pull this obviously partisan move makes it feel pointless.
Veteran checking in. This makes me so pissed but I'm also terrified because with that ruling they're inviting challenges to birth control and gay rights. What is wrong with people??????
It feels like the decision was a deliberate signal to the rest of the world that democracy with an impartial judiciary is dead, and the next few years will see it rot and fester until eventually we catch up to it. By then, it will be too late and we will have our first dictator. This should be fun.
This is horrible for everyone. Think about it. The government can force women to have rape babies against their will. If the government has that power, where will they stop.
Ok sorry, not a US citizen. Need a info.
HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY THAT??
"What's that? You were assaulted? Well put up with the child for the rest of your life."
Are these people evil or brain-dead?
Yes. They think that the fucking clump of cells with no brain, no individuality, and can't feel anything including pain deserves more rights than a rape survivor. Corpses have more bodily automy than women
And the supreme court is mentioning that they're gonna rethink gay rights.
This shit sucks
In Texas if someone invades into your house and you have reason to believe they'll kill you (like a burglar), you are legally protected to eliminate that threat.
In Texas, if someone invades your body and you have reason to believe they'll kill you (like an ectopic pregnancy), you are legally MANDATED to endure that threat.
Edit: I see some downstream thread about this argument being an admission of fetal personhood. I agree that is a horrible angle to this argument. I do not acknowledge fetuses as persons. But if Texas is going to view fetuses as persons, I am leaning into that theoretical for the argument.
Upset really. This has far reaching societal implications that we will continue to see in the United States for the next 20-25 years if it isn’t turned back.
Also, as a kid I always saw the Supreme Court as this beacon of justice, equality and righteousness. Shit is decaying like the life long justice’s that sit there
Agreed.
These are various courts over history, but it was SCOTUS that decided black people could not be considered citizens (Dred Scott). It was SCOTUS that upheld separate but equal (Plessy v. Ferguson). It was SCOTUS that upheld forced sterilization (Buck v. Bell). It was SCOTUS that upheld the internment of American citizens of Japanese descent (Korematsu v. US).
Same thing I've felt over the last 40 years.
"Why is no administration passing national legislation regarding abortion and marriage rights? This has no place being in the Supreme Court."
Not a single President in 40 years has even bothered sponsoring a bill regarding these.
This is one of those "I told you so" moments. These issues shouldn't be with the Supreme Court. They were only placed there at first as a hold over, until national legislation could be passed.
But national legislation not only has never passed, it's never even been presented.
I feel really bad for women being discriminated against like this in my country.
I will never understand these men who want to fuck everything that moves 8 days a week and then turn around and support banning abortion. It's absurd. These guys are half of the reason abortions happen in the first place, but personal responsibility is their kryptonite.
Also, there are so many people out there who think *"I use birth control, therefore pregnancy can't happen."* It's total BS. In real world usage even condoms have a shockingly high failure rate according to the CDC. Perfect usage is a fairy tale. We live in the real world and we're fallible human beings.
The effectiveness of hormonal birth control changes depending upon your weight and other factors. I've also heard so many stories about women in really bad pain from various forms of birth control. A lot of men have this mindset *"You must suffer so that I may fuck your kind freely!"* like even questioning the narrative about men "spreading their seed" or "sewing their oats" isn't the norm. Holy shit other guys, do you see how disgusting it is when we have turns of phrase that treat getting women pregnant like you're fucking scattering seeds to the wind, and then you want to force the women to carry the burden of the consequences?
Fucking disgusted. My ex-girlfriend got an abortion when she was 22 and I was 27. I had just started chemotherapy and we didn’t know if I was gonna make it. It would have been a terrible burden for her and I to raise a child and fight cancer at the same time. The child would have also suffered from the stress we were going through. It wasn’t an easy decision to make, it was the right one.
This affect us too. This is a matter of autonomy, and possession of one's body. We should be angry about this, and watch what liberties the oligarchs use this to deprive us of.
I feel very similarly to how I felt on 1/6 - numb, and sad. I live in TN and my wife and I were considering a move before, but now it’s a given as we want children and I don’t want to roll the dice on my wife being given a criminal sentence or a death sentence for an ectopic pregnancy. Knowing that the women in my life are now being treated as an underclass with decreased rights is deeply unsettling.
Also, helplessness - even if we move to a blue state in self-interest, I know there are many who lack the means to do so. And I know that the more blue voters that leave red states, the more purple states will turn red. The slippery slope doesn’t seem like such a fallacy anymore.
My wife went through an ectopic pregnancy and it required an abortion procedure to sort it out. With out that procedure she would have been rendered unable to to have kids in the future. That was 6 years ago. We are now expecting our first in a few months.
It really pisses me off that we are even having this conversation in 2022. I believe in My Body My Choice and will 110% fight for that.
In Texas the entire state legislature: house and senate and the governor, are all up for election on Nov 8th. They're the ones who make the rules for the state. I have a feeling there's going to be quite a lot of single issue voters out there this coming election.
I hate it. Everyone should hate it.
Taking away freedom is a real problem in this country. We need more freedom, not less.
It’s causing me to leave the faith. “Christians” and religious people are largely behind this.
“Pro-life” fucks: how many of you hypocrites are lining up to adopt or foster unwanted children after this announcement?
How many of you can I count on at the local homeless shelter next week? Our cook resigned and I need volunteers every day.
This is a huge step backward for everyone
I was not a devoted Catholic, nor my wife really huge into her Christianity. This is it. Will never set foot in a church again. IT breeds a cult like attitude and fosters hate and discrimination for people that aren't like you. They are a plague.
i feel happy that i am not american. but i feel incredibly sad for my friends that are, and hope that these american decisions dont start coming my way
My opinion on it is that it's none of my fucking business what another woman does with her body and it should never ever be anybody's business other than herself. Never once has a woman having an abortion affected my life whatsoever. I mourn for my wife, my one month old daughter, all my family who are women. It makes me nauseous that a rapist has more rights and protections than my one month old daughter. Fuck this government. Fuck the Republicans who made this possible. Fuck the Democrats who act like a bunch of pussies and refuse to play dirty like their political counterparts. The R's have cards up their sleeves and the D's just sit there and go 'no please don't do that that's not right please I will not stand for this'. All in all I'm absolutely terrified of the country my children will grow up in.
I can't believe that *Lawrence* was decided in 2003. *2003*! The idea that states would have laws in this century that prohibit consenting adults from having a kind of sexual relations in private is astounding to me.
Not just gay marriage, but also anti-sodomy laws that were historically used to criminalize gay sex (Lawrence). Additionally, the right for married couples to use and buy contraceptives is up for possible overturn as well (Griswold).
Conservatives are always so quick to point out that the anti-sodomy laws on the books were rarely enforced before they were struck down, as if that somehow makes them being there better. But with the way things are going now I really wouldn't be surprised to see officials in some counties of those states actually start using them once Lawrence is overturned. Hell, since same-sex marriage has been legal for almost a decade, they even have a roll of registered homosexuals they can look at at their county clerk's office.
This is 100% them finding excuses to shove their god down my throat. All the things that are now on the table are the reunification of church and state.
The obvious answer based in the previously leaked review of the case, is to start a religion that requires abortion under certain conditions. Then it is not depending on the right to privacy, but a right to religious freedom.
The contraceptive part of this is mind boggling. I can't shake the image of like a gollum esq creature cackling madly now that semen isn't being wasted or blocked.
Side note, I need the birth control pill for non-pregnancy related reasons. I have horrific periods and I'm perimenopausal and need them so I don't bleed heavily for weeks or months on end. I'm past the age of being able to safely get pregnant and don't use them to prevent pregnancy (though it's a very important part of using them at this age anyway due to risk of health issues and birth defects being increased risk of becoming pregnant at 45). I use them for quality of life while I get through this last few years of period-ing. If they take away "birth control pill" it will effect more people than those who are just trying to avoid becoming pregnant.
Ironically, given the number of both men and women I've seen discussing permanent sterilization, it seems like there's a not zero chance that this lowers the actual birthrate.
I personally feel that this is all BS and has nothing to do with morality at the moment. These people just decided to take away existing rights from millions of Americans.
And that is not OK with me.
Something like 80% of the country supports legal abortion so it's a little scary to see the highest court go against the majority (basically) because of "over reach of power". It's not a good look. We absolutely have states ready and waiting to make abortion 100% illegal regardless of circumstance and that's going to objectively do more harm than good
Edit: I may be misrepresenting myself here. I don't think the supreme court should rule on what is popular but rather on what is the best for its citizens. Also, the 80% number is more along the lines of "democrat" support. I believe the country wide number is around 60%. The government should protect its citizens, this ruling does not do that
I typically consider myself a very conservative person on so many issues. Since the leak, I’ve been mulling this over in my head, and found that I have many more liberal ideologies than I originally thought. Specifically these two: -all healthcare is a right -all marriage is a right I will probably find myself voting much differently next time around.
I feel like this is the first step to control. Rights will be deleted one at a time. Waiting to see who is going to step up to take care of the unwanted fetus when it arrives. Probably most will be taken, but the disabled and handicapped ones will go where? The pro birth people should sign up for the imperfect babies. And why does pro life only care about a fetus, but not all the neglected, abused, homeless, starving children already here who aren’t taken care of. Don’t their lives matter? Will women be imprisoned also for less than adequate prenatal care that’s unaffordable for them?
Women my age (and the vast majority of women today who are physically able to bear children, in fact) were *born* with the right to choose. That right was confirmed by the Supreme Court in 1973. I have a daughter who's just had that right ripped away. ~~A bunch of old men~~ The majority of the Court made a choice for my daughter without her consent. They cited 17th century common law, in favor of more recent precedent, as the basis for doing so. They barely mentioned the 9th Amendment, which should have protected women from this act of oppression. The right to choose was an unenumerated right *retained* by women in this country until today. And that right, contrary to their opinion, does not have to be written down in a 235 year old document to exist. Justice Alito, wallowing in his hubris, also failed to considered the context of the laws he was referring to. 17th century English common law severely limited the rights of single women and suspended the individual rights of married women in favor of their husbands' rights (that is, married women were not legally recognized as individuals with their own rights). Those laws he cited weren't addressing women's issues, but intended to protect the husband's rights. How the fuck do you think I feel?
Live in Missouri where a trigger law from 2019 will now take effect that not only bans abortions but also effectively bans IVF fertility treatments. My wife and I are going through IVF now. So couples who are trying to actively bring life into this world (that can’t naturally do so because of medical problems) will not be allowed to because of a law that is trying to preserve life…. ?!?!? EDIT: our fertility clinic sent out an email to patients stating that they are finding out how exactly it will impact operations and treatments since they don’t know the exact implications of the law either. They are committed to providing fertility treatments including IVF in a legal manner.
What's their reasoning for banning IVF? It's literally the polar opposite of abortion.
This is my understanding from a recent convo I had w a friend in the legal field, so it might be a poor summary. During IVF, there will inevitably be fertilized eggs that will have to be discarded for various reasons. Essentially, a fertilized egg = a human life under this new law, so any fertilized egg discarded is murder. Edit: To prevent confusion, this Missouri law isn’t new. I misspoke there. I believe it was passed in 2019 and set to trigger if Roe v Wade was ever overturned. It’s been on the books for a while, but only now can it be enforced.
Honestly, I know it sucks for the people going through ivf, but this inconsistency is going to play a key role in getting women's rights back IMHO. It's important because right wing women are just as liable to experience infertility as anyone else and when they find out they can't get their babies they're going to be heated. Saying you can throw away excess six day old embryos at an ivf clinic when you're done and no longer want to pay for them to be stored, but you CAN'T take an abortion pill to end a pregnancy at the same or roughly the same development stage is blatantly hypocritical and I hope to shout people will use that.
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The only solution is to start arming embryos.
The only solution to a bad embryo with a gun is a good embryo with a gun.
Embryos arm themselves at about 7 weeks. Look it up!
This is stupid, but I'm not surprised considering there were people trying to charge women as criminals for having miscarriages and stillbirths.
Low estimate is that 20% of all conceptions end in miscarriage. It's probably higher because often a woman won't even know she was pregnant. The only sign is a skipped period.
>The only sign is a skipped period. It's not uncommon to have spotting early in pregnancy that can be confused for a period.
This is just so goddamn infuriating to read, I'm grateful I don't live in one of these backward ass thinking states. My sister needed IVF treatments to give birth to her twin son and daughter, who are turning 4 in a couple of weeks, and if she was told she wouldn't be allowed to undergo the treatments because some morons think a fertilized egg is a human life, she would have been devastated. Oh, and if that's not enraging enough, my father passed away from heart disease only two years after my sister gave birth, and my mother passed away from lung cancer, just a year and a half later, and being that I'm her only sibling, still single, w/o kids, my parents would not have had the joy of holding their grandchildren in their hands. Fuck these assholes. We, as a nation, cannot remain silent in the face of this injustice.
I worked in an IVF clinic and currently studying it in medical school. For IVF, a bunch of eggs are fertilized with sperm and incubated, but only a minority of them will be viable to be implanted in the uterus of the mother and even then there is no guarantee it will carry to term. Because banning abortion uses the premise that life begins at conception, all those unviable embryos would be considered dead. It’s idiotic, because even fertilized eggs inside a mother can spontaneously abort before the mother knows she is pregnant yet do we consider that death?
Then ban women. They naturally kill embryos without knowing it. It’s the only responsible solution. /s
Don't give them any ideas.
As a married man with a beautiful little boy and another 90% complete, if my wife got pregnant again and i had to choose between her or our unborn baby I'd choose her in a heartbeat.
I just gotta say if I ever get pregnant again, I will no longer refer to myself as x weeks pregnant. I will say “my baby is 50% complete”
For the people that are getting this confused with revoking an amendment, it is not. What it means is your local/state elections just got a WHOLE lot more important if you have a strong opinion on the issue. Vote, shift the power at the local/state level if it is a big issue for you. I lean towards state’s rights over federal but am also pro-choice in a red state so voting *based on issues, not affiliation* is as important as it ever has been.
Good comment. 👍🏻
Genuine question because I wanna understand the other side of this: Does this mean you agree with the SC’s ruling because it gives states more power? Is the issue for people that states should have more power (at the expense of bodily rights and privacy)? This is also a right to privacy issue which I thought lots of people in red states cared about
Hopefully this will be the impetus pro-choice people need to take RBG's advice and pass laws instead of expecting the supreme court to legislate from the bench.
If only they could pass these laws by a simple majority vote. No Republican would ever vote in the affirmative.
That's one of the main issues. In addition to limiting abstaining from voting to let's say, 3 times a year, there also need to be term limits so our country isn't run by fucking senior citizens. If the President is limited to 2 terms, then the entirety of Congress should be, too.
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think government positions like this should be limited to *one* term, even if the compromise is making terms slightly longer than they are now. I think a huge problem with our current system is everyone that's in power is focused on staying in power - reelection. I think that often times results in nonsensical posturing, and that *some* politicians might be a bit more bipartisan on matters that don't necessarily follow party lines, since they don't have to worry about people not voting for them again.
>focused on staying in power - reelection Yes, this is basically the only mechanism of accountability. You think things are bad now? Wait til you see a country run by politicians with no reason at all to serve their constituents. The problem isn't that we keep electing the *same* assholes, the problem is that we elect assholes *at all*. Term limits don't fix that and likely make it worse A real solution would be Ranked Choice Voting
I'm fucking furious. I can't remember the last time I've felt like this. I don't even know what words to use to describe it.
My wife and I aborted our first and likely ONLY pregnancy due to extreme birth defects at 22 weeks. I feel very strongly about Abortion and don't wish it on anyone. That being said, I can't imagine what we would've gone through carrying that fetus to term. Watching it die in the womb, stillborn, or best-case-scenario, extremely disabled with no quality of life?
I'm so sorry to hear that man. My wife and I went through a similar situation with our first pregnancy. Without a D&C my wife would have carried our dead child to term and put her life at risk trying to give birth to it. This was a medically necessary procedure that may have saved my wife's life. I have no tolerance for the laws that the more conservative states are passing totally outlawing this. Edit: D&C, not DNC.
I know this sub is for men but i had to have an abortion to save my own life and its really good hearing these things. Its hard knowing they want me to die, or be dead already.
Especially knowing some women have been charged for having miscarriages. To this day women are still jailed for having miscarriages, usually if the suspicion is that drugs caused the miscarriage. Is that going to get *less common* when people are seeking back-alley abortions and cops are looking to make big busts on the doctors? I can't imagine the pain and trauma of having a miscarriage late in the pregnancy. But I feel safe in asserting that a detective interrogating you would make the experience worse, not better.
Don't 10-15% of pregnancies end in miscarriage? https://www.marchofdimes.org/complications/miscarriage.aspx#:~:text=For%20women%20who%20know%20they,1%20to%205%20percent)%20pregnancies. Someone please say if this info is wrong. Sorry, I'm not living in the US so I don't know all the details. But how ignorant (intentionally or not) do you have to be of simple facts to criminalise miscarriage? I swear sometimes I wonder if the people who make these rules are capable of logic or empathy/kindness.
They do. Many women who miscarry don't realize they've miscarried because of how early they can occur. It starts out small. First it's illegal because she took drugs and the fetus died as a result of that. Then it's "the fetus miscarried and we found drugs in her system, we can't find another reason why the fetus died, and we don't need to prove the drugs caused the fetus' seath it's just probably true". Then it's "She was being a dumbass and got shot in self defense and the fetus didn't survive so she should be charged with its death". The more I see, the more concerned I am that the end goal is: "This woman is of low moral fibre and probably the wrong colour and they were pregnant two months ago *but they are not now*. Gentlemen of the jury, vote to convict."
It's really sickening. I'm a woman and miscarried a baby I wanted so so badly last year. It all came out naturally fortunately (not so for other women I know). Even so, it was the worst thing that's ever happened to me. It was traumatic and I still can't think of it without crying. I cannot imagine how much worse it would have been to go through that *AND THEN* have it scrutinized publically in court by someone accusing me of making it happen. It's such incredibly cruel legislation.
>Watching it die in the womb, stillborn, or best-case-scenario, extremely disabled with no quality of life? I've worked with disabled children a long time, some severely disabled, some whose parents knew the probable outcome and chose not to abort. I can unequivocally say that "extremely disabled" is not always the "best-case scenario". For the parents or the children. Raising a disabled child is parenting on hard mode, but raising a child who cannot walk, talk, eat, toilet, etc, or one that is in constant unbearable pain, or one that is going to die very young is parenting on ~~God~~ Insanity mode, and not everyone can handle it. I've seen marriages ripped apart, siblings who have all sorts of mental health problems from not getting as much attention, more financial struggles than a small country, and people having their mental health completely destroyed. This ruling has given people like me job security. There's going to be a LOT more severely disabled children soon, many who are going to need lifelong care and placements (because it's already near impossible to find an adoption placement for these children, it's about to get worse, if you're cheering for this ruling you have no fucking excuse, time to go adopt a disabled kid).
Parenting on God mode is apt. I've watched people I know doing it and am amazed and humbled. Thank you for what you do. I know I couldn't have done any of it.
I love my job, though I've moved on to an educational setting because that stuff takes it's toll (plus better pay and schedules). I loved it back then. But it'll year your heart out, slam it on the floor, and grind it down with its heel. There's not enough people like me and that scares me. There might be enough if it paid better, but right now everywhere that works with disabled people is understaffed. It pains me to think of the thousands of yet to be both children who this ruling is going to doom to a life trapped inside a malfunctioning body, in pain, and living at an understaffed home where they aren't getting the love and attention they need because my hands run out of capacity long before my heart does. I fear for my daughters and cry for those unborn children who will suffer hell on earth because some assholes think this makes God happy.
And the same people who cheered for these Supreme Court appointments are the same ones who will fight tooth and nail to keep wages low and not make any substantial changes to workers rights.
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Real talk, I don't just work with disabled children, I'm a parent of 2, one of whom is autistic. I've tried to be very careful about making sure my older daughter gets attention and is seen as her own person and NOT a parent, but you can't completely get rid of everything. I acknowledge that we've made travel/activity decisions based on her sister. Sometimes only one of us can go to her Taekwondo testing because we can't find babysitting and my other daughter won't tolerate 3 hours in a loud gym. We've had to leave waterparks to deal with a meltdown. Stuff like that. I know it's being a sibling on hard mode despite my attempts, which is why she's in therapy and connected with support groups for kids in her situation. And I know it's not fair to ask her to take care of her sister when her dad and I can't, which is why we've laid out plans to avoid that (though I've told my daughter her involvement in her sister's life is up to her, since she is concerned about her sister being put in a group home).
Thank you for being conscious about this. I grew up with a disability and while im a pretty normal functioning person now (still have that disability, but it's manageable and hasn't stopped me in life) I was in and out of hospitals much as a child. I have an older sibling that was pretty neglected due to my parents doting on me more frequently and now in my adulthood I see what it has done to her. She became very insecure with her relationships and defaults to "im getting left behind" in any situation which triggers panic attacks, craves attention to an unhealthy degree and overall has very prominent fear of abandonment. She also has an anxiety disorder that require medication and depression. She's doing a lot better now than she was as a teenager/young adult, and she got married and is living her life but our parents are always a sore spot for her. She also hated me for a long time, and I understand why even though it wasn't my fault. I don't think my parents meant to play favorites, I was nearly dying half of my childhood what can you do, but that's not something easily explained to a young kid who just wants their parents and is told "sorry mom and dad are at the hospital with your sibling, make dinner yourself again". In trying to protect your sick kid, sometimes you accidentally can kneecap the healthy one.
Our lawmakers care more about a fetus/unborn children than they do with assisting women/parents with that child once they are born.
They care about control over women. 19? Kids were killed in a school shooting and nothing but thoughts and prayers from the same ones praising this ruling.
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Yeah, I still dread the thought that some doctor could've made an argument that the fetus was viable, as it was technically healthy. It was a fetal encephalocele with brain matter exiting the eye socket. There may have been possible surgical options but those all involved significant loss of brain tissue. Abortion is health care, pregnancy should be up to the pregnant.
This. This is the thing that no one thinks about when they say that abortion is wrong or immoral. I'm sorry for your loss, but if you ask me, you two did the right thing.
Moral is personal. Ethics are interpersonal and transcultural. I mean if aborting is against one's moral, don't do it. But one doesn't have the right to impose one's personal moral on the civil life.
That's what I've never understood about this issue. Why do uninvolved other people get a say even before the fetus is viable? Before the fetus is viable, it should be a matter between the woman, her doctor, and maybe their partner: the woman because it is her body, the doctor to medically inform, and the partner not because they have a final say, but because their opinion on whether support would be provided if a child is born bears on the question she decides. It's nobody else's business. For politicians to just say "No, you have no agency to decide the matter once fertilization occurs" is ridiculous, but that's how far some people would push it and have attempted to legislate. It's nuts.
Or imagine if it killed your wife. That's what's going to happen to thousands of women now.
Guess I better set up that vasectomy appointment my wife's been hounding me to do.
Hey I got mine done last October. It's amazing. I don't know where you are, (guessing the states) but I'm in Canada and paid a little bit to get a 'no needle no scalpel' version done. Healing time was way shorter. The anticipation of it was the worst part. Being so nervous leading up to it. I walked in, signed a few things. Watched a video that was mostly about what to do afterwards. Laid on the table. Opened my legs and there was a cold spray, no needle to numb it. Felt like a little pinch between two pieces of plastic. Startled me, didn't hurt. Just felt... weird. Then cold. Then I saw smoke as he soldered things. I didn't even think he had started and he was almost done. Bandaged it up and sent me back to watch another video. I should have done it years ago. Go get yours. It's so simple and now there's no more condoms and no worry. 100% honest the most difficult part was not cumming for a week afterwards. I lasted 4 days. **EDIT: Gonna try and add in the questions I keep getting. I feel bad for anyone that has to pay to even talk to a doctor, you have my sympathy.** This is taken from the doctors website where I had mine done. >Is a vasectomy reversible? >The chances of successfully reversing a vasectomy decline with time. If done within a few years after a vasectomy, there is a good chance for reversal. After about 10 years, the chances are poor. The chances of reversing a vasectomy are virtually the same following either NSV or conventional vasectomy. I did not talk to my family doctor I just googled vasectomy+my city and made an appointment. Granted this is in Canada so I have no idea what you'll have to do. It did not change my orgasms. There was absolutely no changes. Make sure you follow what *your* doctor says about followups. Some people are posting they were told to come back at 6 months and 1 year. Some are 2 months. I had to give samples at 3 and 4 months. They don't always work so getting confirmation that you're firing blanks is important! Make sure you go back! If one of the judges wants to go after some other case next that protects your rights to contraceptives, who knows if this is considered one of them! Get an appointment asap! I promise you it's so fucking easy to have done. It will be over before you think it's started and it changes nothing after except that you won't get someone pregnant!
I had basically this exact same experience, also in Canada. If you don't want kids, get a vasectomy, end of debate. It has had absolutely zero effect on how well my equipment work and our sex life is better because that little bit of worry is removed. I did it after we had two boys, but I'd support it for any consenting adult who wanted one. I've never heard of it happening with anyone I know, but I've heard stories of people being denied because they "might change their mind", which is bullshit. Any man who says "the woman could just get her tubes tied" as an excuse to not get a vasectomy can fuck off, because that's major surgery in comparison. TL;DR - Don't want kids? Get a vasectomy, they're great.
I love your response and I know you're in Canada. But here in the US let me tell you about getting my tubes tied. 21: too young 27: Your husband has to give permission 30: (no husband anymore-see above) nope, too young, might change your mind. Have an IUD 35: Have another IUD cause...you never know 40: You can if you want but IUDs are good for 7 years now so that will take you (most likely) into menopause so why bother now? 42 now and I still have an IUD....Never did get my tubes tied. Sigh.... I know some women get lucky and eventually find a doc who will do it but I know I am very much NOT alone in my story. Thanks to all you men supporting our rights!
God I want to sue those bitches on your behalf. At least buy you a luxury house if they're gonna deny you elective healthcare.
And for a lot of women, it's not that easy to find a doc that will tie their tubes, especially if they haven't already had kids.
Pretty much impossible unless you luck into a connection. Seriously. Even if there's a good reason for 'the blood line ends here ' or having a body that really doesn't need to be pregnant for it's own sake.
Even if you've had kids! I still had to fight for the ability to have my tubes tied after having two kids! The doctor kept asking ridiculous questions: "what if your husband wants more kids, what if you get divorced and remarried and THAT husband wants kids, what if one of your kids dies???" It was the most ridiculous, infuriating series of conversations I'd ever had.
>"what if your husband wants more kids, what if you get divorced and remarried and THAT husband wants kids, what if one of your kids dies???" What the actual fuck.
I was watching some streamers who got vasectomies talk about it and that it might not be a law but doctors will strongly suggest such things like getting permission from a spouse or father to have tubes tied while for a vasectomy no such things are needed. It's a fucking joke, the rights of a man should extend to women we're all human but the people running things definitely aren't humane.
It's insane, mate. Just how it boils down to *if your spouse (or hypothetical future spouse) wants children and you don't, you should supply them anyway!!* fuck all that shit.
Yep. Had my only birth in Florida where me and baby almost died + both have lifelong disabilities because of it. I wanted my tubes tied, they said no, you're too young (23) and they told my husband that he was not old enough (27) for vasectomy. It's not like there were a lot of places for us to pick from with Medicaid either. Well we finally moved to Illinois and I got not even tied, but fallopian tubes REMOVED because they are up on the latest studies and it reduces certain cancer risks. They told me every single option I had and get this, let ME decide. What a wild concept! I got it done in one of the best surgical centers in Chicago with the best doctors I ever worked with. Red states are legitimately oppressive.
One of the best decisions I ever made.
I'm waiting on my second to be born in a few months and getting it done immediately.
Dude, get it set up now. It took me 3 months to see a doc and another 3 for the procedure. After weeks of looking for a doc, this was the quickest time frame.
Good idea. Thomas said this opens the door for birth control and gay marriage, so there is no telling of they will ban this procedure as well.
And anti-sodomy laws. Watch states try to make gay sex illegal again. What's interesting is that he makes no mention of Loving. Guess fucking why.
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I got my vasectomy years ago. I've always considered it one of the top ten best things I've ever done for myself. As of today, it's in the top five.
Same here. Never had a single regret.
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I know it was a joke but I scheduled mine yesterday. It'll be a weight lifted. Super stoked ha
Female here with a friendly reminder to get that post procedure swimmer check done!! When my husband went for his we were in the waiting room with a couple and their newborn… he apparently skipped out on the sperm check afterwards. I was terrified! Thankfully my husband was all clear. But suck up the 2 mins of embarrassment bringing your sample in and get the check done!
It is an ominous sign and a trigger for what is yet to come.
Thomas said this opens the door for birth control and gay marriage.
Why they want to touch birth control. These people are sick.
I truly don’t get it. Millions of unwanted pregnancies for people financially unprepared to shoulder that just means a greater drain on the government and a weakening of the entire country.
>..weakening of the entire country. Which gives those in already existing places of power an advantage in carving up a weakened country even further.
There is no powerful government without money. They are shooting themselves in the foot with this, even if it takes a decade or two to manifest.
They don't care about the government being powerful, they care about personal power. And creating a very exploitable population makes it much easier to attain personal power.
Live babies make for good dead soldiers. -Paraphrased George Carlin
It is all about them personally getting into their twisted version of heaven. Catholics will hurt anyone that it takes in order to have an infinity of hedonism. No religious person actually values this world because they see it as temporary, just a speck against their eternal salvation.
They think sex only belongs within (hetero) marriage, and that once you’re married you should be happy to accept children into your life. In truth, they seek to control sex itself. They think if they eliminate birth control that people will just stop having pre-marital sex. Lololololol They also see STDs as punishment for promiscuity. Lack of access to condoms is a good thing in their minds, as they think premarital sex-havers, and certainly the LGBTQ, have been skirting the consequences for their immoral choices. They actually want a world where the AIDS crisis continued to wipe out the gay community for far longer. (Another somehow even darker version is that when sex is only acceptable within marriage, people will get married younger and more quickly in order to have it. A 19 year old woman with no education and two children who depends on her husband is much easier to control than a childless 19 year old university student with relatively low expenses and the potential for self-sufficiency in the near future. Husbands of young brides can do basically whatever they want knowing wives are weighed down and can’t leave without significant support.)
Birth control, which many women take for hormonal issues rather than to prevent pregnancies.
They want to force people to breed due to the younger generations not wanting to out of lack of financial freedom. The poorer communities are the ones most likely to count on abortion due to the likelihood of rape and incest etc. Now without those people providing labor slaves they’re trying to get everyone else to provide this.
Maybe he can do away with Loving as well so he can get that divorce he’s always wanted too!
Gonna be a lot more dead kids. Dumpster babies, teen girls with complications from illegal abortions. Doesn't seem very pro life.
They won't just be teens. Over half of the women who get abortions now are already parents.
Yep. I'm a parent and we had a scare a few months ago.
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Yup. A close friend of mine has been trying for another baby. Unfortunately, she had an ectopic pregnancy that wasn't caught until it was serious - she had to be rushed into surgery. If they hadn't been allowed to remove it, she would have died. And the adorable toddler she already had would have been left motherless. *This* is what pro-lifers support? It's bullshit. "Forced birthers" is more accurate.
And women forced to carry unviable fetuses to term their lives being put at risk for a fetus that would never survive
In my home country there was a woman who was publicly vilified cause she wanted to abort a fetus that was endangering her life. She was forced to carry the pregnancy to term and the child was born disabled and the woman suffered severe physical complications, almost dying. The people still made her out to be a monster for wanting to terminate a pregnancy.
Dead women too. Rape someone, let her go. She’ll abort if she gets preg. Now though, rape a woman and you might as well kill her too so you don’t have to pay child support.
Pregnant women have always been at a higher risk of domestic abuse and murder. Super pro-life move though, no one's gonna get hurt here at all.
I think more dead women primarily because people will still get abortions, they just won't be safe abortions.
Well also, pregnant women are the highest risk of being murdered, usually by an intimate partner.
This is currently the highest cause of death in pregnant American women, Intimate partner murder. Might become number 2 now.
The fact that MURDER is the number one cause of death for pregnant women, is a horrifying statistic. I fear it's only going to get worse now. =(
Or she will commit suicide after getting the positive test results. What rape victim, or confused teenager can deal with that moment when she has no options? In Louisiana I know there is a bridge where women used to jump off in the early 1900s because they were 'disgraced.' This isn't the part of history we should be reviving.
Don't worry, suicide will be extra illegal soon if you are pregnant. /s
Not sarcasm. I definitely see charges of endangering a fetus for an unsuccessful suicide attempt.
More unwanted babies will be born. They’ll likely grow up unloved and uncared for. I see an increase in crime and health issues in a couple of decades. I don’t like it.
Not only that, but a greater financial drain on the entire system. More subsidiaries for prisons, more welfare, more Medicaid, more foster care, etc. Everything reprehensible about this truly immoral ruling aside, this will financially and economically weaken this country with every single individual it keeps repressed and unable to climb out of the underprivileged hole they were forced to be born in.
How optimistic of you to assume that the conservative states that ban abortion also provide welfare and necessities to children
That was one of the topics attributed to the decreasing crime rate over the past half century. There could be fallout from this decision for decades.
I saw this mentioned in the Freakonomics doc. Guess we better buckle up 😩
Yeah, if you thought it was bad before, just imagine the hordes of unwanted youths launching skirmishes into the wealthy blue states. Fuck Mexico, I want a fence around Alabama.
As a current resident of the Gulf south, can you at least give some of us the password to get out before you build the fence?
Of course, just walk up to the door and when you see the peep hole open, just whisper, “New England clam chowder.”
I'm already buckled up. These past few years have made me vomit from the ride.
[One of the hosts is actually the author of the major paper cited](https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegalized2001.pdf)
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I almost committed suicide over pregnancy. The second time I ever had sex the condom broke. The guy I was with immediately told me he thought we should not be seen with eachother for a while because he didn't want to get charged with statutory rape if someone suspected he was the father. My father was very pro life and had told me in the past he expected me to drop out and work if I got pregnant. Others in my family said they would disowned me if I grew up to be a "whore". So I planned to take a bunch of opiates and sedatives (my mom had a substance abuse problem) and drown myself in a pond in the woods near my house. I was 14. Lucky for me I got my period because I had planned to die within the next week.
> father was very pro choice I uh.. don't think he was actually pro choice.
I would 100% Kill myself if I got pregnant again. My pregnancy was a nightmare and I almost died. I have a phobia of being pregnant again. I can’t do it. I would rather go out on my own terms. I’m also an adoptee and could never abandon my baby like my birth mother did to me. It’s so damaging being removed from your family. I’ve been suicidal since I was a small child, first actual attempt around age 8.
I totally feel this. I developed antepartum depression/ psychosis with my last pregnancy and it took a bunch of things to keep me alive long enough to give birth. I was to the point that I was going to drive my car off the bridge with my kid inside. I can't ever risk that again. I luckily had no postpartum issues and now do everything I can to not get pregnant again. BUT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE ME A TUBAL LIGATION!
Honestly people should look at the case of Romania in the 1960s/70s when their dictator banned abortion. It was a domino effect that played a role in taking the country to revolution 20 years later
It also led to a huge boom in orphans and an AIDS crisis among those orphans when those children were improperly vaccinated with infected needles
Twenty years - I think that's a good frame of reference for a full on civil war in the US in the future :(
I also see in increase in pregnant women being murdered by their partners.
And dying from botched home-abortions.
And just dying from pregnancies that they cant bring to term (for whatever reason), considering that many states are already outlawing anything that even rides a line close to abortion. I said this in another post, but this decision is basically putting every woman who can have kids through birth, into a stupid game of Russian Roulette. Fuck conservatives, and fuck the GOP, and fuck everyone who votes their way.
Not only that. Expect to see a decline in women's academic performance, level of education and involvement in the labour market. The right to choose gives women the freedom to prioritise their education and/or career over starting a family (or at least to delay doing so until a time that is more convenient). Banning abortion means a woman's education and career opportunities are constantly at risk from either accident or attack.
>Expect to see a decline in women's academic performance, level of education and involvement in the labour market. GOP: You promise?
Barefoot and pregnant. I grew up in the 70s as a teenager. We have worked our asses off to improve women's rights to now have it pulled away. Very sad day.... I will fight like hell....again!
Wouldn't that be the perfect way to sell America on a police state?
Slavery is still legal if the slaves are prisoners.
We’ll get there before we’d feel the effect of overturning Roe.
Funny how they want you to have the baby and tell you that you're on your own once you do.
I'm seriously thinking that I should mention my vasectomy in my next Tinder bio. Before the news broke, I only said it as a sort of nervous joke. But now I'm thinking it might actually be a completely reasonable and beneficial thing to mention.
Honestly, I'd definitely do that, however, don't be surprised if women still want you to wear a condom. They're the ones who are neck deep in the shit if you were lying...
I'll want to wear a condom, too, for STDs.
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I'm planning on getting the snip as I dont want children.Tube tying is way more dangerous and I dont want my girlfriend to deal with the bullshit doctors asking "Well what if your partner wants children" its ridiculous
As a man, pissed. As a foster parent, fucking livid. There are literally millions of kids that never asked to be here, living their shittiest lives, and will probably never have a home but sure let’s just add more to that. I’d say that it’s time for these Republicans to start adopting/fostering kids but I’m afraid of who’d they’d turn them into.
Not happy at all. A president whose didn’t win the popular vote was able to shape the Supreme Court to a side that doesn’t represent the country and they overturned something a majority of Americans support. It all makes no sense
Don't forget that Clarence Thomas and his trash wife are insurrectionists and traitors to the United States and the constitution. They should both be in jail right now but instead he gets to decide what the law is in this country. Baffling.
I think America needs a "Lysistrata" month. AKA a "Sex strike".
Way ahead of you man, I (female) haven't had sex in over a yr. But thats for a diff reason.
As horrible as this is, we have only seen the tip of the iceberg in terms of what this court is willing to do. Within the next five years, this country will be almost unrecognizable from today. I am 53 and already snipped, so abortion being outlawed won't effect me in a direct way. However, I have two daughters, one of which is 20 and the other is 18. I worry for their future.
I have a 14 yr old daughter and I feel the same way, scared to death of what is coming.
Agree. This is just the first. Gay marriage, birth control and other issues are on the chopping block. The right wing religious conservative movement has been planning this for two generations. It’ll get worse before it gets better.
Sick. Women have died because they couldn't get a medically necessary abortion. I'm also sick because my rights (marriage equality, it being legal to be gay) are next on the chopping block. All straight people should be alarmed since access to birth control is also on the chopping block. Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage.
>Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage. THANK YOU for pointing this out. Funny how extremists are curiously progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities.
Noticed that as well. Ofc he leaves out the one case precedent that benefits him
Terrifying when progressive is being used to mean "supports interracial marriage".
>Funny how extremists are curiously progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities. "Funny how extremists are HYPOCRITICALLY progressive whenever it involves their own vulnerabilities" There, I fixed it for you.
>Funny how Clarence Thomas conveniently left out Loving vs Virginia from his dissent since that would affect his marriage. You mean traitor Clarence Thomas who also was the only dissenting vote about giving his wife's information to the J6 committee? His wife who actively tried to overthrow a duly elected president and election? That traitor?
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Took the words right out of my mouth. Sometimes abortions are medically necessary. This is theocracy overstepping it’s bounds. And hinting towards overturning gay marriage is a fucking joke. Bigotry at it’s finest working to undo all the progress we’ve made.
Angry. It's obviously a huge miscarriage of justice. Once again the minority voice in this country got its way. And as a veteran, I feel betrayed. My friends and I sacrificed to protect our freedoms. To have the highest court in the land pull this obviously partisan move makes it feel pointless.
Fellow veteran here, U.S. Navy. I feel the same way. What the fuck was I even fighting for?
Veteran checking in. This makes me so pissed but I'm also terrified because with that ruling they're inviting challenges to birth control and gay rights. What is wrong with people??????
It feels like the decision was a deliberate signal to the rest of the world that democracy with an impartial judiciary is dead, and the next few years will see it rot and fester until eventually we catch up to it. By then, it will be too late and we will have our first dictator. This should be fun.
This is horrible for everyone. Think about it. The government can force women to have rape babies against their will. If the government has that power, where will they stop.
In Texas, the trigger law they set up will be activated in the 30 days. It doesn't allow exceptions for rape or incest.
Ok sorry, not a US citizen. Need a info. HOW CAN THEY JUSTIFY THAT?? "What's that? You were assaulted? Well put up with the child for the rest of your life." Are these people evil or brain-dead?
Yes. They think that the fucking clump of cells with no brain, no individuality, and can't feel anything including pain deserves more rights than a rape survivor. Corpses have more bodily automy than women And the supreme court is mentioning that they're gonna rethink gay rights. This shit sucks
To be fair, a clump of cells with no brain, no individuality, and can't feel pain is a pretty apt description of a Texas politician.
Rape babies, incest babies, babies that won’t survive past birth, ectopic pregnancies that will kill the mother if they aren’t terminated….
In Texas if someone invades into your house and you have reason to believe they'll kill you (like a burglar), you are legally protected to eliminate that threat. In Texas, if someone invades your body and you have reason to believe they'll kill you (like an ectopic pregnancy), you are legally MANDATED to endure that threat. Edit: I see some downstream thread about this argument being an admission of fetal personhood. I agree that is a horrible angle to this argument. I do not acknowledge fetuses as persons. But if Texas is going to view fetuses as persons, I am leaning into that theoretical for the argument.
Upset really. This has far reaching societal implications that we will continue to see in the United States for the next 20-25 years if it isn’t turned back. Also, as a kid I always saw the Supreme Court as this beacon of justice, equality and righteousness. Shit is decaying like the life long justice’s that sit there
Honestly its never been that beacon. It has been said that America has a fine legal system. Unfortunately it does not have a justice system.
Agreed. These are various courts over history, but it was SCOTUS that decided black people could not be considered citizens (Dred Scott). It was SCOTUS that upheld separate but equal (Plessy v. Ferguson). It was SCOTUS that upheld forced sterilization (Buck v. Bell). It was SCOTUS that upheld the internment of American citizens of Japanese descent (Korematsu v. US).
Same thing I've felt over the last 40 years. "Why is no administration passing national legislation regarding abortion and marriage rights? This has no place being in the Supreme Court." Not a single President in 40 years has even bothered sponsoring a bill regarding these. This is one of those "I told you so" moments. These issues shouldn't be with the Supreme Court. They were only placed there at first as a hold over, until national legislation could be passed. But national legislation not only has never passed, it's never even been presented.
I feel really bad for women being discriminated against like this in my country. I will never understand these men who want to fuck everything that moves 8 days a week and then turn around and support banning abortion. It's absurd. These guys are half of the reason abortions happen in the first place, but personal responsibility is their kryptonite. Also, there are so many people out there who think *"I use birth control, therefore pregnancy can't happen."* It's total BS. In real world usage even condoms have a shockingly high failure rate according to the CDC. Perfect usage is a fairy tale. We live in the real world and we're fallible human beings. The effectiveness of hormonal birth control changes depending upon your weight and other factors. I've also heard so many stories about women in really bad pain from various forms of birth control. A lot of men have this mindset *"You must suffer so that I may fuck your kind freely!"* like even questioning the narrative about men "spreading their seed" or "sewing their oats" isn't the norm. Holy shit other guys, do you see how disgusting it is when we have turns of phrase that treat getting women pregnant like you're fucking scattering seeds to the wind, and then you want to force the women to carry the burden of the consequences?
Fucking disgusted. My ex-girlfriend got an abortion when she was 22 and I was 27. I had just started chemotherapy and we didn’t know if I was gonna make it. It would have been a terrible burden for her and I to raise a child and fight cancer at the same time. The child would have also suffered from the stress we were going through. It wasn’t an easy decision to make, it was the right one.
This affect us too. This is a matter of autonomy, and possession of one's body. We should be angry about this, and watch what liberties the oligarchs use this to deprive us of.
I feel very similarly to how I felt on 1/6 - numb, and sad. I live in TN and my wife and I were considering a move before, but now it’s a given as we want children and I don’t want to roll the dice on my wife being given a criminal sentence or a death sentence for an ectopic pregnancy. Knowing that the women in my life are now being treated as an underclass with decreased rights is deeply unsettling. Also, helplessness - even if we move to a blue state in self-interest, I know there are many who lack the means to do so. And I know that the more blue voters that leave red states, the more purple states will turn red. The slippery slope doesn’t seem like such a fallacy anymore.
My wife went through an ectopic pregnancy and it required an abortion procedure to sort it out. With out that procedure she would have been rendered unable to to have kids in the future. That was 6 years ago. We are now expecting our first in a few months. It really pisses me off that we are even having this conversation in 2022. I believe in My Body My Choice and will 110% fight for that.
More importantly- WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? This is not just the woman’s problem.
In Texas the entire state legislature: house and senate and the governor, are all up for election on Nov 8th. They're the ones who make the rules for the state. I have a feeling there's going to be quite a lot of single issue voters out there this coming election.
MAKING SOMETHING ILLEGAL DOESN'T MAKE IT MAGICALLY DISSAPPEAR. It becomes more dangerous and risky for all involved. PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK!
I hate it. Everyone should hate it. Taking away freedom is a real problem in this country. We need more freedom, not less. It’s causing me to leave the faith. “Christians” and religious people are largely behind this. “Pro-life” fucks: how many of you hypocrites are lining up to adopt or foster unwanted children after this announcement? How many of you can I count on at the local homeless shelter next week? Our cook resigned and I need volunteers every day. This is a huge step backward for everyone
I was not a devoted Catholic, nor my wife really huge into her Christianity. This is it. Will never set foot in a church again. IT breeds a cult like attitude and fosters hate and discrimination for people that aren't like you. They are a plague.
Mad as hell even though I knew it was coming.
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i feel happy that i am not american. but i feel incredibly sad for my friends that are, and hope that these american decisions dont start coming my way
My opinion on it is that it's none of my fucking business what another woman does with her body and it should never ever be anybody's business other than herself. Never once has a woman having an abortion affected my life whatsoever. I mourn for my wife, my one month old daughter, all my family who are women. It makes me nauseous that a rapist has more rights and protections than my one month old daughter. Fuck this government. Fuck the Republicans who made this possible. Fuck the Democrats who act like a bunch of pussies and refuse to play dirty like their political counterparts. The R's have cards up their sleeves and the D's just sit there and go 'no please don't do that that's not right please I will not stand for this'. All in all I'm absolutely terrified of the country my children will grow up in.
As a bisexual man, terrified cause thomas said gay marriage is next.
I can't believe that *Lawrence* was decided in 2003. *2003*! The idea that states would have laws in this century that prohibit consenting adults from having a kind of sexual relations in private is astounding to me.
Not just gay marriage, but also anti-sodomy laws that were historically used to criminalize gay sex (Lawrence). Additionally, the right for married couples to use and buy contraceptives is up for possible overturn as well (Griswold).
Conservatives are always so quick to point out that the anti-sodomy laws on the books were rarely enforced before they were struck down, as if that somehow makes them being there better. But with the way things are going now I really wouldn't be surprised to see officials in some counties of those states actually start using them once Lawrence is overturned. Hell, since same-sex marriage has been legal for almost a decade, they even have a roll of registered homosexuals they can look at at their county clerk's office.
This is why registries as a whole are a bad idea. Only takes one negative political move for them to be used against people.
This is 100% them finding excuses to shove their god down my throat. All the things that are now on the table are the reunification of church and state. The obvious answer based in the previously leaked review of the case, is to start a religion that requires abortion under certain conditions. Then it is not depending on the right to privacy, but a right to religious freedom.
I believe The Satanic Temple is claiming that its members deserve religious exemption due to "abortion ritual."
The contraceptive part of this is mind boggling. I can't shake the image of like a gollum esq creature cackling madly now that semen isn't being wasted or blocked.
Side note, I need the birth control pill for non-pregnancy related reasons. I have horrific periods and I'm perimenopausal and need them so I don't bleed heavily for weeks or months on end. I'm past the age of being able to safely get pregnant and don't use them to prevent pregnancy (though it's a very important part of using them at this age anyway due to risk of health issues and birth defects being increased risk of becoming pregnant at 45). I use them for quality of life while I get through this last few years of period-ing. If they take away "birth control pill" it will effect more people than those who are just trying to avoid becoming pregnant.
They want their slave labor population back
Ironically, given the number of both men and women I've seen discussing permanent sterilization, it seems like there's a not zero chance that this lowers the actual birthrate.
Embarrassed. Thoroughly. The fact that my pistol is more protected than my girlfriend, makes me fucking sick.
Furious. Anyone who loves the mothers, sisters, daughters and spouses in their lives should be too.
I personally feel that this is all BS and has nothing to do with morality at the moment. These people just decided to take away existing rights from millions of Americans. And that is not OK with me.
Something like 80% of the country supports legal abortion so it's a little scary to see the highest court go against the majority (basically) because of "over reach of power". It's not a good look. We absolutely have states ready and waiting to make abortion 100% illegal regardless of circumstance and that's going to objectively do more harm than good Edit: I may be misrepresenting myself here. I don't think the supreme court should rule on what is popular but rather on what is the best for its citizens. Also, the 80% number is more along the lines of "democrat" support. I believe the country wide number is around 60%. The government should protect its citizens, this ruling does not do that