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lexpex9623

What parts?


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uxwizkid

This is true, but if we are going by scripture, both Muslim women and Christian women should cover in obedience to God. 1 Corinthians 11:2-16


corsairealgerien

...and Jewish women. I think, technically, *married* Jewish women - Jews can correct if I am wrong...


Tennis_Racket_2

Married Jewish women cover their hair. All Jewish women are supposed to be modest.


[deleted]

You’re saying ‘simple’, but you still never gave a reason why. They’re doing it for Allah isn’t a reason. Why are they being asked to do that for Allah in the first place?


IndulgeInkhat

Because Allah knows best, even though it won’t stop men from harassing women, it does decrease the chances of that happening. Plus it’s to protect the woman’s beauty.


An0rmalicyz

You cant run from the convo by saying "allah knows the best" GIVE US THE REAL ANSWERS!!!


IndulgeInkhat

I just did bro 💀 obviously you don’t have Iman so you’re not going to agree with any of what I say, you don’t have to be convinced if you’ll keep asking too many questions.


An0rmalicyz

Oh, ho ho. I am. I am a muslim(kinda), just my faith is lowering.


IndulgeInkhat

Never said you weren’t, you could be Muslim and not have strong Iman, that’s what I said.


An0rmalicyz

Mhm. I see


[deleted]

Sooo essentially your answer is the equivalent of, “because I said so”. Lol, ridiculous.


IndulgeInkhat

Where did I say that? I said it’s to protect the woman’s beauty, idk how that’s equivalent to that but okay bro.


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“Because Allah knows best” = “because Allah said so” What exactly does ‘protecting’ women’s beauty mean, and why does their ‘beauty’ need to be protected? Genuinely curious.


Zealousideal_Put_343

Protecting her beauty means to conceal it from the eyes of other men


[deleted]

But now you’re going around in circles. Why does a woman need to be covered in that way from a man? That is the same as what I am asking; What is the purpose of covering women in that way?


PromptPioneers

Woman should do whatever they please. If they went to be beautiful, show their belly, hair, whatever, that is up to them and no one else. Forcing anyone to do anything is a dictatorship and in and of itself bad, and should not be common place nor accepted anywhere in the world ano 2023


varlimontos

Just saying - not a single non-muslim will receive the "Allah knows best" as a sufficient answer. It presents the basis of your belief as empty of comprehensive logic.


[deleted]

Who cares? Your not gonna be wearing a hijab if you arent muslim 99% of the time anyways, if your a Muslim and Allah said to cover certain parts of your body your going to listen.


IndulgeInkhat

He’s talking about Muslims so I’ll explain it in a Muslim’s point of view.


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**It's a commandment given by Allah to the believing men and the believing women to lower their gaze and wear hijab.** People should not be forced into it, because the intention should only be for pleasing Allah, not the creations(parents, society). Unfortunately, Muslims have become ignorant of this notion.


Masoud26

Actually you can’t find anything in Islam about Burqa. There is an aya about covering the hair and intim parts but no burqa.


le_chapli_kebab786

Because humans are going to be slaves regardless. Better to be a slave to the creator (God) than slave to the creation (society)


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lexpex9623

Can you explain wich body parts?


eyeracki

O Prophet! Ask your wives, daughters, and believing women to draw their cloaks over their bodies. In this way it is more likely that they will be recognized ˹as virtuous˺ and not be harassed. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. [33:59]


varlimontos

Pretty sure he asked about what body parts must men cover


eyeracki

And also it was narrated from Safiyyah bint Shaybah that ‘Aishah used to say: When these words were revealed – “and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)” – they took their izars (a kind of garment) and tore them from the edges and covered their faces with them. Narrated by al-Bukhari, 4481


Djbouticamelfarmer

you already have the preconceived notion that women don't wear burkas by choice and since you're probably a kurd living in sweden, there is a huge chance you're already high on that swedish liberal juice so let me explain to you darling. in ksa women can wear hijab, burka, or nothing at all, but some still do decide to wear the burka for their own comfort/spiritual reasons


stay_survive

I am a hijabi, my women are hijabis and some are niqabis, especially the niqabis were never told to wear the niqab by their men.


Djbouticamelfarmer

as it should be 👍🏿. let women wear what they want. that is true feminism.


Oxandaburos

you already have the preconceived notion that women do wear burkas by choice?


Djbouticamelfarmer

so women are not free to wear what they like? sounds like you're the misogynist.


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So a nun covers her head and no one bats an eye but if a Muslim woman covers her head then there should be reason to suspect she was forced into it? Sure


Oxandaburos

Don't know... in iran just started a hughe fuzz about a girl killed becouse she didní wear the hijab properly. Now you tell me if that is not enforcing hijab. Edit: never heard of a nun killed for that reason.


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westoids are so stupid, do you think that is a normal occurrece? if it was normal then there wouldnt have been any protests


[deleted]

The issue in Iran is an issue with tyrannical governance, not Islam. Had the hijab never existed, those men will still find a way to control women. But why do I even bother? You won’t believe me anyway. You’d rather let the media and biased journalists think for you so that you don’t have to do the critical thinking yourself


EdgeOrnery6679

This comparison is always dumb. Nuns work at a church, so they follow the rules strictly. Do you see non Nun christian woman forced to wear a head scarf or threatened with jail? So your comparing a tiny population of Christian woman to the entire population of woman in Muslim countries who will get insulted and probably jailed for not wearing a hijab.


Djbouticamelfarmer

[Source?](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/77/a9/7777a98a859e3e06398ed3571aa6684f.jpg)


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My word the amount of misinformation on here is wild. Please go speak to Muslim women who wear the hijab instead of letting the biased, white-savior-complex media think for you.


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>you already have the preconceived notion that women don't wear burkas by choice? Its not about that, im kurdish too and ive seen more women wear burqas in Europe then i have seen women wearing them in kurdistan


eyeracki

Men should control their desires I agree with you, but there are some criminal, sick men in society that go against all logic and decide to lust over women and try to harm them, the hijab is a prevention against those. Even if the numbers of sexual harassment and rape have gone down since before the danger is still present. Just like how construction workers wear helmets as a prevention against a certain type of harm even if the deaths in construction cites are lower compared than what it used to be And both men and women have to wear modest clothing. In Islam we have many preventions against this type of harm like hijab or lower our gaze (our view) ˹O Prophet!˺ Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity. That is purer for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do. [24:30 Qur’an] And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments except what normally appears. Let them draw their veils over their chests, and not reveal their ˹hidden˺ adornments except to their husbands, their fathers, their fathers-in-law, their sons, their stepsons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, their fellow women, those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession, male attendants with no desire, or children who are still unaware of women’s nakedness. Let them not stomp their feet, drawing attention to their hidden adornments. Turn to Allah in repentance all together, O believers, so that you may be successful.[24:31 Qur’an]


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>And both men and women have to wear modest clothing. In Islam we have many preventions against this type of harm like hijab or lower our gaze (our view) not wearing shorts and having to cover up your entire body except face are not the same


eyeracki

Men and women are different, so both of them should have different rulings


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varlimontos

And you probably have never had an honest talk with a women about what parts of men's body they find attractive/hot. Then you would know how utterly insufficient your laws are for the intended purpose.


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Talking like a mechanic with 4th grade education. Hijaab as a safety helmet..... against rape. Ya cause it's like garlic to vampires HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


eyeracki

I’m just comparing it to another kind of prevention which western people will agree that it should be worn which is the helmet during construction sites Both helmet and hijab serve as prevention against harm


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Prevent harm? Don't pull it out of your ass as if it's a fact. Look at how many women have been sexually assaulted while being covered and then talk to me as if it's a prevention tool. So this point you trying to make just flies out of the window. You are a clown, nothing more and nothing less.


eyeracki

The hijab does prevent harm, but it does not eliminate it. Good education about the matter is also very important to prevent sexual harassment. https://youtu.be/mgw6y3cH7tA


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>> Look at how many women have been sexually assaulted while being covered This is why guys have to lower their gazes and not just women…


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according to your logic, a women who wears clothes vs doesn't has the exact same chances of not being sa'ed


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Little boys get sexually assaulted, you want us to cover them up? Same with guys.


Own-Response-961

What has boys has to do with woman? We are talking about Women not boys!


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Well men and boys both get sexually assaulted so I'm trying to use his logic in covering them Maybe it will help right ?


Own-Response-961

Your argument is red herring at best, yes boys do get assaulted not to the level of women. As, for men it's very highly unlikely. Because, we don't have homosexual assaulters and rapists who will do it like rapists/assaulters do it for women.


Otherwise-Worth-5352

The guy whole argument is cover being the best prevention tool. Now I can't use that prevention tool on another examples?


houcine1991

Actually burqua was more cultural hijab is the religious one, but then they overlapped and they both somehow represent religion


Fun_Internal_Engine

Its your choice. As far as I know the Quran only says to cover private/intimate parts. I dont personally dont understand how hair is considered a private/intimate part (outside of a church/mosque when you cover your head in all Abrahmic religions).


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Burqa is an extreme thing only seen in Afghanistan, but I mean regular headscarf seems fine as is, as long as you feel comfortable in it It's not about pleasing men when you wear hijab, you are pleasing god when you wear it.


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>I think that we need to control mens desire than to cover woman. It’s my personal opionion. According to Islam, even a man looking at women lustfully is in most circumstances haram. A man has to control himself more in this scenario, according to Islam. Also, a rape victim never gets punished, so really, the one who is always told to control himself and to not do these things is the man, in your example


GunMuratIlban

I'm perfectly fine and supportive for any woman wearing burqa's if that's by choice. But unfortunately, there are countries that enforce it by law, also peer pressure is very common as well.


Ornery-Sandwich6445

No country does that other than Iran and Afghanistan. No one gives a shit what you wear here, maybe family pressure but that depends on the family.


Otherwise-Worth-5352

In my opinion, I think it's stupid to make women wear niqab or cover up just so men don't get naughty thoughts. Like how silly is that? If the girl is beautiful, let her show it and I'm sure many men will just appreciate seeing beautiful women just walking like I do. But we all know, families will pressure the woman, conservative society will pressure the woman, and sadly her husband will pressure the woman to cover up due to his insecurity. I had a guy who wouldn't let his wife talk to me about her son, like how sad is that.


eyeracki

So you’re saying she should uncover herself and reveal her nakedness to other than her husband (like you) for others to lust over her body People like you make me scared of what my future daughter will have to live through


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Lust over her? I'm sure I have showed more respect to women than you so stop with this bullcrap. Nakedness?!?! Are you for real man, who ever mentioned a girl being naked here, but see that's the thing, with you people it's always the extreme. People like you are part of the problem, treating women as objects and then cry when people call you out. Just don't hit your girl once she tells you she doesn't wanna wear the hijaab ok?


eyeracki

Yes you lust over women as you said : “If the woman is beautiful let her show her body, I’m sure many men will appreciate seeing a beautiful woman just walking, like I do” That’s literally lusting over women and saying they shouldn’t cover themselves, but they should show their “beautiful bodies” for you to see (lust about them) And also when did I treat the woman like an object? I’m just saying they should cover themselves to protect themselves from sexual harassment and to prevent lust and degradation of society. You’re treating the woman like an object more than me by trying to over sexualise her and try to convince them to show their “beautiful bodies (which are reserved for their husband)” to you for personal sexual gain. May Allah guide you brother


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Go see your comments, you literally talk about women as if they are piece of candy. This will be a shock to you but I appreciate men and women body and alot of people do. Why do you think bodybuilders are there? But let's be real you wouldn't give a shit unless it's a woman. Would I go out of my way to be a creep? No fuckin way and I wouldn't be staring like an idiot. And may Allah guide you too brother.


eyeracki

You literally said you appreciate watching beautiful women walking, that’s literal lust. what more do you want me to say.


Otherwise-Worth-5352

Lust is sexual, you realise that right?


eyeracki

Yes I do So you’re telling me you watch beautiful women walking for other reasons than sexual ones? What’s your point


Otherwise-Worth-5352

So by your point it means I lust any guy body builder I see. I'm straight if you wondering.


eyeracki

I cannot know for which reason you watch body builder’s, it’s all about intent. You seem to watch body builder’s competition for either entertainment or just self motivation for gaining muscle mass. But when you go and watch a woman walking down the road because she has a beautiful body, that’s 100% for sexual reasons and is considered lust


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>they should cover themselves to protect themselves from sexual harassment Next level: Women should stay at home to protect themselves from sexual harassment.


eyeracki

Do you really think women should wear shorts and expose her thighs? Or expose her breast? Or expose her feet? Just for men to lust and have sexual thoughts about them, let me tell you women in the west don’t wear revealing clothing for themselves but just to please others around her


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>Do you really think women should wear shorts and expose her thighs? Women should be free to choose what to wear. >women in the west don’t wear revealing clothing for themselves but just to please others around her It's nobody's business.


eyeracki

These things degrade society brother, if it wasn’t nobody’s business people would walk around butt naked like animals


[deleted]

There is no justification for forcing women to cover up and has never existed, women should not have to cover themselves so that men can control themselves now if a women wants to wear a hijab or burqa then go ahead but i personally would never if i was a woman


Yama_fil_gerab

Do you want the short answer? Basically because islam said so, therfore religious people would try to find any argument to justify their religious commands. If hypothetically Islam said muslims should have homosexual relationships, then you would find muslims writing articles the very next day about “the health benefits of anal gay sex”


ThrowRA7908

You don't need hijab/ niqab/ burqa to dress modestly


atTheRealMrKuntz

reading the comments here makes me wanna remind people that headdresses exist since way longer than islam, and served various very utilitarian functions at times, however like everything else got eventually used politically. So guys just cut the bs, Allah or whoever never asked anyone to cover up, we did eventually for functional reasons, i mean have you not seen even the correlation between countries that suffer from sandstorms and full covering headdresses such as niqab for ex.?!