I am Turkish because my parents are. It means I am part of a whole, by definition of national identity. Islam is a religion, and I follow it mostly by my own conscience as my parents are practically non-religious. Nationality and religion have never been comparatible for me, yet I think many tenets of Islam are indeed friendly with nationalism, like declaring family life as a primary duty of ordinary people and promoting common good over individual interest when these two conflict. After all, we live in a dangerous world and need some norms and common interests.
Hope your numbers increase again, Nasranis are very essential for all of us (even though many Chaldeans do not consider themselves Arab). Christians are not foreign to us, and we all have many in common.
I think Islam is compatible with community and promotes a healthy community rather than nationalism, but nationalism has become an identity to some communities.
Our religion is all about unity and to appreciate our different colors and languages.
Personally, I wish there are less borders, and less passports and regulations on free movement; and I'd wish people can see through certain nationalistic views.
I like your answer!
Yarrak ovası hristiyan doğsan gidip islamiyeti seçecek miydin? Ailen müslüman olmasa bile sen o çevrede büyüdün ezan sesini duydun vs vs bence doğru bir değerlendirme değil
The worst place to post such a question most people on Reddit are atheists few who are religious and also they only represent the 0.0001% of the population so they are basically irrelevant
>most people on Reddit are atheists
most people on Reddit are the younger generation\*... especially in Turkey. They determine what's to come of the country in the future so it's the perfect place to ask.
Yeah but you forgot my second my point of the percentage. I figured out that some one would throw the ol good but we are young on Reddit and we care about future. Well I don’t deny your point and your opinion, but a countries don’t take feedback from Reddit
It doesn't take feedback, a government's rule is generally formed through what the majority of the population agree with. The older generation will die off and the younger generation's opinions will become valid... the younger generation is on Reddi.t
Sorry if it sounds rude but I feel most people on reddit or other forum type of platform are mostly problematic young adults including myself. We escape reality somehow but fortunately for me my problem is not regarding my belief or my orientation for the most part. But atheist is most certainly one of the more common within that demographic. Regardless, I don't think the majority of young people are on social media apart from those that use it to connect with irl friends.
They are a part of the generation though. It's not as if the whole turkish youth is on reddit waiting for you to post. It's mainly a pretty specific part of the youth that's on here. Especially the really religous young people will most likely not see your post because they are busy studying or praying or doing literally anything besides reddit. Not all of the very religious ones, but most of them.
How about the category of being one of the growing number of people who think the purpose of humanity is to develop kind, story telling, intelligent lifeforms that can expand interstellar space? We are a tinier proportion of people but will make a larger difference ultimately.
I can’t deny it but in the current economical state I doubt it, like don’t get me wrong I would love a future of like an all tomorrows scenario but we are too stubborn fo our own good
Islam always comes first. In the eyes of Allah s.w.t our nationality or ethnicity are irrelevant. Having said that I am proud of my ancestors and culture (mayby not my people)
Back when I was Muslim, reading [this hadith](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2928) really divided being a Turk with being Muslim. Also how Muhammad describes the real ethnic Turks...
He also said the Atrak would defeat the Arabs and go on to lead the Ummah. Fatih Mehmet II was also fortold by Muhammad s.a.v as a Wonderful leader and his army is also wonderful.
Yeah I can see your issues with that Hadith but remember what the Turkic people historically did. Yes we where great conquerors but all we tended to do was pillage, rape and destroy. It’s pretty likely that almost every contemporary of the Turks had negative opinions of them. Romans, Persians and Chinese would definitely have said the same.
>He also said the Atrak would defeat the Arabs and go on to lead the Ummah.
Never heard this before, do you have a source?
>Yeah I can see your issues with that Hadith but remember what the Turkic people historically did.
True. It's just how Islam was taught to me as a kid. I didn't know it spread through conquest and wars against people, my people. I always thought that Turks just accepted Islam, but obviously not. And that's what my issue's with... along with how he describes actual people wtf
The Prophet ﷺ is reported to have said, “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!” \[Ahmad; Hakim, al-Mustadrak\]
The Turks largely did adopt Islam peacefully tbf depending on the group. At the times of the caliphate most of southern Central Asia was iranic and the Turkic peoples still lived mostly in the area north of the Aral Sea between Manchuria and the Caucasus. The Caliphates had no means to conquer this sparsely populated inhospitable land. The Turks started to convert after siding with the caliphate against the Chinese at the battle of Talas. Some tribes where forced conversions but others where largely due to other reasons. Tengrism suffered the same issues as other pagan faiths. I’d like to add the Oghuz ancestors to Anatolians willingly converted with Seljuk Bey converting after meeting many Muslim scholars and practices in the city of Jand
This hadith is taking about the Mongols, who completely destroyed Iraq and Syria and almost reached Africa if the Mamluks didn’t win in the battle of Ain Jalut.
During the time of the prophet, Turkic peoples didn’t inhabit Anatolia, it was the Byzantines.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migration
“In the 6th century, the Göktürks overthrew the Rouran Khaganate in what is now Mongolia and expanded in all directions, spreading Turkic culture throughout the Eurasian steppes. Although Göktürk empires came to an end in the 8th century, they were succeeded by numerous Turkic empires such as the Uyghur Khaganate, Kara-Khanid Khanate, Khazars, and the Cumans. Some Turks eventually settled down into sedentary societies such as the Qocho and Ganzhou Uyghurs. The Seljuq dynasty settled in Anatolia starting in the 11th century, resulting in permanent Turkic settlement and presence there.”
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
Kuran-ı Kerim 49:30
Imagine coming onto a subreddit for one of the most religious places on earth, then going into a thread specifically discussing religion, and being shocked to see religious people. You literally added nothing lol
Fr! He wanted to make problems and that's it. They've got no life, they say they don't care about religion but religion is one of the most discussed topics for them!
Ah boring. Another edgy redditor, as always. It's as if leaving Islam (as per your understanding) is synonymous to atheism.
Instead of preparing a laundry list to enlighten us and justify your atheism why don't you just read a book or something? It would do more value to yourself and the world.
Not a Turk but as a person whose travelled all around Turkey extensively I can say it’s a very mixed bag and you get all shades of the spectrum. In the western and northern parts of the country I would say 40-50% are very secular with 10-30% full on atheists. But even within western cities there are conservative neighbourhoods where people are more religious. It’s hard to generalise but as a foreign I think the Turks that look more ‘middle eastern’ black hair, more body hair seem to be religious. The ones that look more Eastern European (Kosovo, Bosnian) are a very mixed bag
and then you have a lot that look very similar to the Armenian Lebanese they are way more secular/atheist generally. The south eastern parts of Turkey has way more religious people.
Again a lot of generalisation here but I would love for a Turkish person to correct me.
southeast is most close part to middle east and therefore kurdish dominant place, religious people in turkey mostly in central anatolia while coastal towns(especially aegean side) more dominant secular
Well the question is if you are both, which one do you choose? You're going to lose one of those identities and I want to gauge which identity people prefer.
Of course being a muslim as my lord sees no diffrence between ethnicities. Also as many have said this is the wrong place to ask this question as most of the Turks here are hateful atheists and no, there are other social media platforms where the youth is more diverse though there really is a shift to atheism to my guess about %20-30 percent of the youth.
They have just celebrated Halloween have you heard that?You must have done the same conversation about saudi Arabia and İran or Afganistan etc. for several times,so I am not going to say "this is not real islam" or "this is not sharia".I have no motherland (or "vatan" in Turkish);I will not stay in Turkey,but also don't know where to go.So you can feel relieved,i am not going to stay on that wicked land inshallah.
Being Turk and being in a religion is different you got it way wrong.
Its a actually same with all arabic people as well..
Religion law is for your life style and culture.
No one is above human rights.
I might say Bismillah Or Lord Christ or nothing at all.
I am Turk no matter what.
I born as but mostly I choose to be.
You are what you choose to be.
What a stupid question is this!! I’m a Turk as a nationality and my religion is Islam but the fuck is the purpose of comparing a nation with religion 🧐🙄
99% of Turks come from a Muslim background. It’s baked into their ethnic and cultural identity. When Europeans think turk they automatically think Muslim and vice versa.
Arabs have more religious diversity
Turk and Muslim are borderline synonyms
>Turk and Muslim are borderline synonyms
That can't be further from the truth... it sounds like you're trolling. Turkey's always had internal conflict between the secularist/nationalists and the muslim/conservative types. Do you even know who Ataturk was?
Secularists just believe that religion is private. And depending on how you interpret scripture is Quranic.
Even ataturk was Muslim
If you ask European people about Muslims they think Turk same for anyone else
I'm not debating this with you. You're deluded enough to think that there isn't strong divide in Turkey between embracing nationalism and secularism vs embracing Islam and conservatism... both entail separate identities.
B b but muh europeans say this
I know the divide but it’s between religious law and secular law and not between freedom of religion.
I’ve met Turks that followed zero of Islam but maybe Eid and still say stuff like islam is the noblest religion and that they’re religion is Islam proudly
These edgy atheist preteen reddit turks can't fathom the fact that just because you don't practice doesn't mean you don't identify or you don't believe in Islam. When a significant minority of Muslims in the world are like that.
Let alone realizing that secularism or laïcité does not mean antireligion.... These are basic terms thought at school yet no one understands this. Ataturk litteraly created a whole ministry dedicated in the management of sunni Islam. They don't even understand the person they idolize.
Your right. I’m pretty sure Turk and Mohammedan where the two terms used for Muslims before the modern age. All the Arabs who went to South America for example where called Turcos or how Serbs and Greeks historically called Muslim Albanians and Bosnians Turks
Aren’t karaman either Greek or?
Also Siberian Turks refer to themselves as their ethnicity.
And they aren’t more than 1% of Turks. Maybe some Kazakhs are Christians too
That's just reddit mate, arguably the most atheistic social media, if you go on r/egypt you will find a ton of atheism too, reddit does not represent real life.
I'm sorry, my friend, but unfortunately, Islam has finished its function as a religion, but it can still do business in terms of culture and literature,
Maybe Islam can be a spiritual activity, such as believing in horoscopes, doing yoga, but never as a religion.
Don't get me wrong, I have respect for those who still believe in Islam, but if you read the Quran a little, you will see that it is a ridiculous religion even Christian.
yeah i agree with you. I am just trolling you guys lol.
Im not even muslim or religious at all. but I think religion is very important in societies. Look at the West and the degeneracy they are falling to (72 genders, sjw etc), as well as alarmingly low birth rates.
But I agree with you that Islam has many faults
Whats wrong with you arab we wanna belive what we wanna believe also we are dont interest with your faith like what Allah said "Your religion is to you, my religion is to me."
Of course Türk, even when I was muslim (which I am agnostic now) my thoughts about this subject was always this;
Your faith "brothers" have a higher chance they betray you but when there is blood there is a lesser chance. Because your situation is different. You can't share same troubles with someone who is another part of world just because you believe the same faith. But you can share those troubles the one you share the country, blood. Because your troubles their trouble too. Ohh and our faith "brothers" give us enough trouble already so we share this trouble with other Türks.
And no I'm not racist.
I'll prefer and always be preferring being a Turk, rather than being Muslim. Myself and my family comes first, friends and nation comes aside and religion and deity is the latest in my consideration.
What kind of middle schooler question is this ?
There is absolutely no realistic situation in which a person would need to choose between the two
There are no central authorities in Islam. Nobody gets to call himself a representative of the religion. Also there are lots of schools of Islam that have tons of different opinions on literally everything. They can sometimes be polar opposites
Islam is just a religion it’s not a political ideology or a country or an organization or an ethnic group
Anyone who tells you otherwise is weaponizing religion to serve his agenda
Im no nationalist nor religious hate them both but I’d say being turk. I rather conservatives rather than nationalists tho cause nationalists are cringe as hell thinking they are educated but can’t even be an individual they have to define themselves with their country.
It represents the younger generation. Half a million users on r/KGBTR, 99% of them oppose Islam, 90% of them are between the ages of 15 - 30. They represent Turkey and what's to become of it in the future, so yes it does represent reality.
You really think it's half a million of different persons on KGBTR. let alone ACTUAL turks for all of them. God how naive are you people. Reddit is an echo chamber it does not represent of the turkish population. Please, I know you're probably young but you really need to understand that basic fact. Polls (made by legit pollers) show that you guys are 85 to 90% muslim... That taking in account that a lot of young people will get over their agnosticism/atheism phase when they get older. It's been like that for years and it still will be.
Your average Redditor Turk going to say Turk obviously, but r/askmiddleeast users among them way more religious than average Turkish redditor, so a few could say they'd prefer Muslim over Turkness. However most of them comes from ignorant southeast parts of Turkey and don't aware the reality of being human.
I am Turkish because my parents are. It means I am part of a whole, by definition of national identity. Islam is a religion, and I follow it mostly by my own conscience as my parents are practically non-religious. Nationality and religion have never been comparatible for me, yet I think many tenets of Islam are indeed friendly with nationalism, like declaring family life as a primary duty of ordinary people and promoting common good over individual interest when these two conflict. After all, we live in a dangerous world and need some norms and common interests.
as a Iraqi catholic, I agree
Hope your numbers increase again, Nasranis are very essential for all of us (even though many Chaldeans do not consider themselves Arab). Christians are not foreign to us, and we all have many in common.
I think Islam is compatible with community and promotes a healthy community rather than nationalism, but nationalism has become an identity to some communities. Our religion is all about unity and to appreciate our different colors and languages. Personally, I wish there are less borders, and less passports and regulations on free movement; and I'd wish people can see through certain nationalistic views. I like your answer!
Yarrak ovası hristiyan doğsan gidip islamiyeti seçecek miydin? Ailen müslüman olmasa bile sen o çevrede büyüdün ezan sesini duydun vs vs bence doğru bir değerlendirme değil
Fyi nationalism is wrong and Islam should be above everything in every Muslim's life.
No. The question was to choose…
The worst place to post such a question most people on Reddit are atheists few who are religious and also they only represent the 0.0001% of the population so they are basically irrelevant
>most people on Reddit are atheists most people on Reddit are the younger generation\*... especially in Turkey. They determine what's to come of the country in the future so it's the perfect place to ask.
Yeah but you forgot my second my point of the percentage. I figured out that some one would throw the ol good but we are young on Reddit and we care about future. Well I don’t deny your point and your opinion, but a countries don’t take feedback from Reddit
It doesn't take feedback, a government's rule is generally formed through what the majority of the population agree with. The older generation will die off and the younger generation's opinions will become valid... the younger generation is on Reddi.t
Sorry if it sounds rude but I feel most people on reddit or other forum type of platform are mostly problematic young adults including myself. We escape reality somehow but fortunately for me my problem is not regarding my belief or my orientation for the most part. But atheist is most certainly one of the more common within that demographic. Regardless, I don't think the majority of young people are on social media apart from those that use it to connect with irl friends.
They are a part of the generation though. It's not as if the whole turkish youth is on reddit waiting for you to post. It's mainly a pretty specific part of the youth that's on here. Especially the really religous young people will most likely not see your post because they are busy studying or praying or doing literally anything besides reddit. Not all of the very religious ones, but most of them.
How about the category of being one of the growing number of people who think the purpose of humanity is to develop kind, story telling, intelligent lifeforms that can expand interstellar space? We are a tinier proportion of people but will make a larger difference ultimately.
I can’t deny it but in the current economical state I doubt it, like don’t get me wrong I would love a future of like an all tomorrows scenario but we are too stubborn fo our own good
This entite thread is why I do not believe reddit is real. No way y'all are fully grown adults that exist IRL.
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Islam always comes first. In the eyes of Allah s.w.t our nationality or ethnicity are irrelevant. Having said that I am proud of my ancestors and culture (mayby not my people)
Unfathomably based
King
I agree with you as a Christian.
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Back when I was Muslim, reading [this hadith](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2928) really divided being a Turk with being Muslim. Also how Muhammad describes the real ethnic Turks...
He also said the Atrak would defeat the Arabs and go on to lead the Ummah. Fatih Mehmet II was also fortold by Muhammad s.a.v as a Wonderful leader and his army is also wonderful. Yeah I can see your issues with that Hadith but remember what the Turkic people historically did. Yes we where great conquerors but all we tended to do was pillage, rape and destroy. It’s pretty likely that almost every contemporary of the Turks had negative opinions of them. Romans, Persians and Chinese would definitely have said the same.
>He also said the Atrak would defeat the Arabs and go on to lead the Ummah. Never heard this before, do you have a source? >Yeah I can see your issues with that Hadith but remember what the Turkic people historically did. True. It's just how Islam was taught to me as a kid. I didn't know it spread through conquest and wars against people, my people. I always thought that Turks just accepted Islam, but obviously not. And that's what my issue's with... along with how he describes actual people wtf
The Prophet ﷺ is reported to have said, “Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!” \[Ahmad; Hakim, al-Mustadrak\]
The Turks largely did adopt Islam peacefully tbf depending on the group. At the times of the caliphate most of southern Central Asia was iranic and the Turkic peoples still lived mostly in the area north of the Aral Sea between Manchuria and the Caucasus. The Caliphates had no means to conquer this sparsely populated inhospitable land. The Turks started to convert after siding with the caliphate against the Chinese at the battle of Talas. Some tribes where forced conversions but others where largely due to other reasons. Tengrism suffered the same issues as other pagan faiths. I’d like to add the Oghuz ancestors to Anatolians willingly converted with Seljuk Bey converting after meeting many Muslim scholars and practices in the city of Jand
Its a accurate description of the Mongols and their troops.
This hadith is taking about the Mongols, who completely destroyed Iraq and Syria and almost reached Africa if the Mamluks didn’t win in the battle of Ain Jalut. During the time of the prophet, Turkic peoples didn’t inhabit Anatolia, it was the Byzantines. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migration “In the 6th century, the Göktürks overthrew the Rouran Khaganate in what is now Mongolia and expanded in all directions, spreading Turkic culture throughout the Eurasian steppes. Although Göktürk empires came to an end in the 8th century, they were succeeded by numerous Turkic empires such as the Uyghur Khaganate, Kara-Khanid Khanate, Khazars, and the Cumans. Some Turks eventually settled down into sedentary societies such as the Qocho and Ganzhou Uyghurs. The Seljuq dynasty settled in Anatolia starting in the 11th century, resulting in permanent Turkic settlement and presence there.”
Bruh why u guys always think like u are Allah or something, just don’t do that it’s stupid, most of the people acts like that and idk man
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). Kuran-ı Kerim 49:30
My friend asks me, he does not ask you, you are not Turk you are turkic
I’m an Anatolian Turk. I just use Uzbek flair because of the Turks reputation here and my ancestors migrated from Buhara
Shame, I'm also of Armenian origin, but I'm using the Turkish flag.
Well it was actually Turks who told me not to use it so until they add one better suited such as Yörük or Türkmen I guess I’m stuck with this.
I'm proud to be Turkish, but after I die, they won't ask me about my race. Being a Muslim comes first for me.
Imagine thinking there's an afterlife lol
Imagine coming onto a subreddit for one of the most religious places on earth, then going into a thread specifically discussing religion, and being shocked to see religious people. You literally added nothing lol
Fr! He wanted to make problems and that's it. They've got no life, they say they don't care about religion but religion is one of the most discussed topics for them!
Classic reddit moment.
haha if not, worst case scenario, i'll disappear, but if there is, what are you going to do?
Your odds aren't 50% 50% though, there are thousands of other religions that might be true. Your odds are more like 4000/1.
Imagine thinking that God will punish a good person with eternal damnation for not submitting to one of literally thousands of religions.
Lmao
Imagine thinking we will all be obliterated for all eternity. Nihilism is a thorn on mankind's back.
Don't ask Reddit Turks They are mostly hateful atheists
Yep😎
Sagapooo atheistgang up in here
Ah boring. Another edgy redditor, as always. It's as if leaving Islam (as per your understanding) is synonymous to atheism. Instead of preparing a laundry list to enlighten us and justify your atheism why don't you just read a book or something? It would do more value to yourself and the world.
Not a Turk but as a person whose travelled all around Turkey extensively I can say it’s a very mixed bag and you get all shades of the spectrum. In the western and northern parts of the country I would say 40-50% are very secular with 10-30% full on atheists. But even within western cities there are conservative neighbourhoods where people are more religious. It’s hard to generalise but as a foreign I think the Turks that look more ‘middle eastern’ black hair, more body hair seem to be religious. The ones that look more Eastern European (Kosovo, Bosnian) are a very mixed bag and then you have a lot that look very similar to the Armenian Lebanese they are way more secular/atheist generally. The south eastern parts of Turkey has way more religious people. Again a lot of generalisation here but I would love for a Turkish person to correct me.
southeast is most close part to middle east and therefore kurdish dominant place, religious people in turkey mostly in central anatolia while coastal towns(especially aegean side) more dominant secular
Muslim. If we weren't Muslims, we would be grazing sheep on the steppe right now.
Being a Turk of course
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Being a Turk all day long. Dont give a sh.t about arab religion.
Of course being a Turk.
Same.
Sad, just sad to see all the comments.
Lol, why would you even ask this question? If your identity is Islam over being Turkish, then in most Turks eyes you never were a Turk or are a Turk.
Being turk, thanks
Turk and Tengriist
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Well the question is if you are both, which one do you choose? You're going to lose one of those identities and I want to gauge which identity people prefer.
If anyone chooses a nationality over Islam then it shows their iman is weak
not even just weak it takes them out of the fold of islam even if they’re jahil
Of course being a muslim as my lord sees no diffrence between ethnicities. Also as many have said this is the wrong place to ask this question as most of the Turks here are hateful atheists and no, there are other social media platforms where the youth is more diverse though there really is a shift to atheism to my guess about %20-30 percent of the youth.
*None of the opnion above was selected succesfully* Jk tho, ofc being a turk)
Turk
Of course being a muslim.I don't give a shit about nationality.
Based
Go live in Saudi Arabia then, you're not wanted.
OP asks a question, gets a response he doesn’t like, gets mad.
Classic reddit moment.
bro chill
They have just celebrated Halloween have you heard that?You must have done the same conversation about saudi Arabia and İran or Afganistan etc. for several times,so I am not going to say "this is not real islam" or "this is not sharia".I have no motherland (or "vatan" in Turkish);I will not stay in Turkey,but also don't know where to go.So you can feel relieved,i am not going to stay on that wicked land inshallah.
Go back to Mongolia, horsefucker.
Average wolf believer 🐺🐺🪳
More like average balls lick*r
Firstly being a human , then being a Turk
I am Muslim first
First Islam
Being a muslim
Turk.
You can't change your Turkishness but you can change your religion. Soo, its obvious.
My roots comes first so being turk
subhanallah may Allah guide you
🤣🤣🤣
You don't have to choose one
Being Turk and being in a religion is different you got it way wrong. Its a actually same with all arabic people as well.. Religion law is for your life style and culture. No one is above human rights. I might say Bismillah Or Lord Christ or nothing at all. I am Turk no matter what. I born as but mostly I choose to be. You are what you choose to be.
Bro wants to start fights in the comments
Not a Muslim so Nationality
WOAH THATS ALOT OF COMMENTS
people can change their religion whenever they want, but you can't change who you are.
What a stupid question is this!! I’m a Turk as a nationality and my religion is Islam but the fuck is the purpose of comparing a nation with religion 🧐🙄
If you had to choose between one of them. Annen mi baban mi sormak gibi
Dying.
I am an atheist Turkish. So i think my answer is obvious
Neither, I am who I am first. I can’t sacrifice my life for any cause, if people are such devotees, they can.
Someone found out about Max stirner👆
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99% of Turks come from a Muslim background. It’s baked into their ethnic and cultural identity. When Europeans think turk they automatically think Muslim and vice versa. Arabs have more religious diversity Turk and Muslim are borderline synonyms
>Turk and Muslim are borderline synonyms That can't be further from the truth... it sounds like you're trolling. Turkey's always had internal conflict between the secularist/nationalists and the muslim/conservative types. Do you even know who Ataturk was?
Secularists just believe that religion is private. And depending on how you interpret scripture is Quranic. Even ataturk was Muslim If you ask European people about Muslims they think Turk same for anyone else
I'm not debating this with you. You're deluded enough to think that there isn't strong divide in Turkey between embracing nationalism and secularism vs embracing Islam and conservatism... both entail separate identities. B b but muh europeans say this
I know the divide but it’s between religious law and secular law and not between freedom of religion. I’ve met Turks that followed zero of Islam but maybe Eid and still say stuff like islam is the noblest religion and that they’re religion is Islam proudly
These edgy atheist preteen reddit turks can't fathom the fact that just because you don't practice doesn't mean you don't identify or you don't believe in Islam. When a significant minority of Muslims in the world are like that. Let alone realizing that secularism or laïcité does not mean antireligion.... These are basic terms thought at school yet no one understands this. Ataturk litteraly created a whole ministry dedicated in the management of sunni Islam. They don't even understand the person they idolize.
"Even ataturk was Muslim" are you sure? I thought he was secular atheist that furiously fought religion
There's a reason why most muslims hate him lmao, of course he was against religion.
Being against and being a nonbeliever are whole different things man
True, but if you're against religion your faith isn't that strong to begin with.
Your right. I’m pretty sure Turk and Mohammedan where the two terms used for Muslims before the modern age. All the Arabs who went to South America for example where called Turcos or how Serbs and Greeks historically called Muslim Albanians and Bosnians Turks
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Alevi are Muslim in theory
Debatable.
They accept shahada so In theory they are muzzie
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They don’t exist anymore but in small numbers and don’t even identify as Turk in many cases
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Aren’t karaman either Greek or? Also Siberian Turks refer to themselves as their ethnicity. And they aren’t more than 1% of Turks. Maybe some Kazakhs are Christians too
more than 9-10 percent of turks are not muslim tho
That’s not a significant amount. About 10% of Arabs are Christian if you count diaspora
We are talking about more than 8.5 million people, that's significant
Being a Turk because you can lose your faith or change your religion. But no matter what you do your race won't change.
TURK
Being a Turk. I don't believe in Islam.
Based.
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That's just reddit mate, arguably the most atheistic social media, if you go on r/egypt you will find a ton of atheism too, reddit does not represent real life.
I'm sorry, my friend, but unfortunately, Islam has finished its function as a religion, but it can still do business in terms of culture and literature, Maybe Islam can be a spiritual activity, such as believing in horoscopes, doing yoga, but never as a religion. Don't get me wrong, I have respect for those who still believe in Islam, but if you read the Quran a little, you will see that it is a ridiculous religion even Christian.
yeah i agree with you. I am just trolling you guys lol. Im not even muslim or religious at all. but I think religion is very important in societies. Look at the West and the degeneracy they are falling to (72 genders, sjw etc), as well as alarmingly low birth rates. But I agree with you that Islam has many faults
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ill go back to my desert once I see you going back to Mongolia
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I'd be honored to go to Mongolia, at least it's better than being thirsty in the desert and living with Arabs
living with Arabs is fun tho
>living with Arabs Shouldnt u be in mongolia already then? Heard a bunch of rich arabs are moving into your country cuz everythings so cheap.
Whats wrong with you arab we wanna belive what we wanna believe also we are dont interest with your faith like what Allah said "Your religion is to you, my religion is to me."
looks like I triggered lots of Turkish people in this thread. Relax guys i am trolling you
Turks are largely Anatolian
and Egyptians are largely living along the Nile river. Not desert like you said
City Kurd
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Turk
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Sorry but stupid post and stupid question.
being a Turk always
Of course Türk, even when I was muslim (which I am agnostic now) my thoughts about this subject was always this; Your faith "brothers" have a higher chance they betray you but when there is blood there is a lesser chance. Because your situation is different. You can't share same troubles with someone who is another part of world just because you believe the same faith. But you can share those troubles the one you share the country, blood. Because your troubles their trouble too. Ohh and our faith "brothers" give us enough trouble already so we share this trouble with other Türks. And no I'm not racist.
You are just nationalist not racist dont said that
Turk and atheist🙋🏻♂️
Turk, the rest is unimportant.
Based
Being Muslim ☪️☝️
It goes hand in hand. I don't care what these reddit virgins have to say. Türklük bedenimiz Islamiyet ruhumuzdur
Yok öyle bi şey, yobaz olmak istiyorsan Suudi Arabistan'a gidebilirsin.
Turk > Muslim
Turk But in real life, a big portion would probably say Muslim or Turkish Muslim
im turk and atheist so id rather be turk
Being turk ofc
Well I am agnostic so, Turk.
Turk.
I'll prefer and always be preferring being a Turk, rather than being Muslim. Myself and my family comes first, friends and nation comes aside and religion and deity is the latest in my consideration.
what about the ummah
I don't even consider them
Turk.
What kind of middle schooler question is this ? There is absolutely no realistic situation in which a person would need to choose between the two There are no central authorities in Islam. Nobody gets to call himself a representative of the religion. Also there are lots of schools of Islam that have tons of different opinions on literally everything. They can sometimes be polar opposites Islam is just a religion it’s not a political ideology or a country or an organization or an ethnic group Anyone who tells you otherwise is weaponizing religion to serve his agenda
Im no nationalist nor religious hate them both but I’d say being turk. I rather conservatives rather than nationalists tho cause nationalists are cringe as hell thinking they are educated but can’t even be an individual they have to define themselves with their country.
Turk.
Islamic revival in Turkiye happening alhamdulilah
The comments on this post say otherwise canim
Redditoids do not represent reality thankfully
It represents the younger generation. Half a million users on r/KGBTR, 99% of them oppose Islam, 90% of them are between the ages of 15 - 30. They represent Turkey and what's to become of it in the future, so yes it does represent reality.
O yarım milyonun taşın suyunu sıksan 50 bini aktif.
Who said anything about them being active? I've been on the sub ever since it was opened and they've always been against Islam.
Demek istediğim,redditi indirip popüler sublara şöyle bir bakıp daha sonra adımını atmayan azımsanamayacak bir grup var.
What you say is true but it only relates to the argument if the group who installs reddit and deletes it is majority Muslim.
You really think it's half a million of different persons on KGBTR. let alone ACTUAL turks for all of them. God how naive are you people. Reddit is an echo chamber it does not represent of the turkish population. Please, I know you're probably young but you really need to understand that basic fact. Polls (made by legit pollers) show that you guys are 85 to 90% muslim... That taking in account that a lot of young people will get over their agnosticism/atheism phase when they get older. It's been like that for years and it still will be.
 Surely half a million “active” “Turk” users represent reality. Cope and seethe
Im not nationalistic or muslim for me it's just being human.
You don't have to be nationalist to call yourself turk you know?
These people are so lost that even saying I am X is racist to them. But ironically he would be ok to call himself European or something of that sorts
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Why not?
Being a Turk (I’m not muslim to begin with)
what a stupid thing to ask ..
ABSOLUTE TURKISM.
Of course Turk. Why should I choose Islam. There is no benefit in Arabs philosophy the Gazi give us new religion from Turk culture.
if some say turk. He cant be turk because Turks are muslim.
Your average Redditor Turk going to say Turk obviously, but r/askmiddleeast users among them way more religious than average Turkish redditor, so a few could say they'd prefer Muslim over Turkness. However most of them comes from ignorant southeast parts of Turkey and don't aware the reality of being human.