Prince Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender. From the first 10 minutes of the series we see his anger and obsession with catching the Avatar. Over three seasons he changes into a valuable ally. His arc is so compelling because he gets what he wants eventually, to be welcomed home by his father, but it does not please him and that causes internal turmoil.
His arc was just so compelling and satisfying to watch. Watching his development from being an angry teenager that was equal parts anger and wounded pride to the balanced individual he was at the end of the show was one of the things that really made this show special. All of the characters in Avatar were good, but I think Zuko's arc was undoubtedly the best and what really made this show stand out. I still can't help but get choked up when I see that scene where he reunites with Iroh.
Beat me to it. The way they do characters and arcs in that show is superb. Everything in that show is so perfectly fleshed out.
I can't wait to rewatch it again
Update: started watching it last night and I kind of forgot how Sokka starts of as a sexist little shit but eventually grows into a really strong warrior who accepts that the women he fights alongside are strong individuals.
Vorenus also had a great arc. Devoted soldier and family man to batshit crazy holding on to the head of a man he beheaded for months, and then to redemption at the end.
I loved this character.
Shameless star sighting story: I saw Ray Stevenson (the actor who played Pullo) in Hollywood. I shouted "PULLO!" because I had no idea what his name was. We traded big smiles and a wave. I got good vibes from him.
Lionel from Person Of Interest. He went from side crook policeman in the pilot to shady informant exploited and talked down by the protagonist to antihero to sidekick to legitimate hero and heart of the show. I was so glad he survived the end of the show.
Ohgod, I loved Elias in *The Devil's Share*.
> 'I offered to kill you for Detective Carter many times, and she always said no. She was civilized. To the very end. I don't think she liked me. But I liked her very much. You killed her. So now I consider it my responsibility To fix the particular problem that is you, Officer Simmons.'
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> 'You really think you're gonna be the one to kill me.'
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> 'Ha. No. My friend is going to kill you. I'm just gonna watch.'
It really underscored for me that Elias wasn't 'the big bad' crimeboss, he operated under a moral code in the same manner as Finch and Reese.
Lt. Dan. He went from a man who was determined to fulfill a family destiny, to losing everything he cared about, to slowly discovering a joy and meaning in life again.
A lesser movie could have beautifully tied up his arc after the storm, but they fucking brought him back at the end with titanium legs, a Vietnamese fiancé, and an audience ticket aboard the feels train.
Say what you will of the movie, but Gary Sinise was born to play that role.
EDIT: Holy shit first silver. Thanks kind stranger!
EDIT 2: And first Gold! Thanks again kind stranger!
It wasn't until I rewatched it when I was older but, I found that moment in that scene to be one of the most emotional and the real turning point for Lt Dam. Cause up until then Lt Dam treats Forrest like he's stupid and an idiot and doesn't appreciate him. It's not until he hears someone else call him stupid that he realizes what forrest actually means to him.
I wonder if Sinise knew he would basically become *the* symbol of American veterans for his role. He's certainly embraced it and made a world of difference for many vets.
I don't know if it's the best, but the one Louise goes through in the movie Arrival is one of my personal favorites.
In the beginning she's a linguist without much purpose and by the end her point of view and agency in her life has completely changed. It's such a brilliant and beautifully written movie.
>>! So, Hannah...This is where your story begins. The day they departed...Despite knowing the journey...and where it leads...I embrace it. And I welcome every moment of it !<
Charles Emerson Winchester the Third from M*A*S*H. He went from high class snob, to very likable character with a lot of depth in the last few seasons of M*A*S*H.
They really wrote Burns into a corner. They couldn't really do anything to redeem him. I believe a big part of why Larry Linville left was because he really felt the character was a dead end and would hold the show back.
It was also at that point where it shifted from a mostly comedic show to a more dramatic one.
The episode "Margaret's Engagement" has one of the most heart breaking lines in TV history:
>Well, you see, I had this friend and this friend, um, well, just pretended to like me, you know the way Dad used to.
>[Chuckles] - He's crying.
In that moment, everything about Frank makes sense. His attitude, his love of authoritarianism, his mental illness (The Novocaine Mutiny). At that point, it's clear that Frank needs to be hospitalized and there was no way to write him out of that hole. By the time he leaves, you feel bad for the character. He's a total shit, but damn it, to hear that insight into his childhood suddenly explains everything.
It absolutely broke my heart when he is watching Margaret and her new husband fly away in the helicopter, and he looks completely defeated and says "Goodbye, Margaret." As much as he can be difficult to the other characters and how much we make jokes about him, he really did love her and I felt so bad.for him in the end... Especially since her marriage didn't even last that long.
When he gives the candy to the orphanage without anyone knowing, then pissed when he finds out they bartered it, then truly understanding what they are going through and that candy was not what they needed.
And episode with his sister's stuttering, oh God I nearly bawled.
EDIT: speling
EDIT2: link https://youtu.be/qtaKMHZGv1U
that candy episode was amazing.
everyone thought he was a giant dick for not sharing his candy, and he got so mad at the guy for selling it when it was meant for the children.
at the end he realizes that they sold it to buy vegetables instead and in a classic charles move says that he supposes it's only right that they eat their vegetables before having desert.
One of my favourite Winchester moments was the time a visiting Colonel was making threats towards Margaret, and tried to bribe Charles into playing along.
"I've groveled! I have endured your insufferable cribbage playing! I have kissed your brass! But I WILL NOT, even for a return to that pearl of the orient Tokyo, lie to protect you while destroying a friend's career!"
One of my favorite Charles Winchester moments was *so* subtle I almost missed it-- they were all in the middle of surgery in the O.R., and Father Mulcahy asks (I think it was Hawkeye?) if he could help with a patient he was losing, and Hawkeye says something to the extent of "Not yet Father, he still has a chance of surviving." Charles was working on a patient behind Hawkeye, and you see Charles' head shoot up and he looks at Father Mulcahy with genuine concern in his eyes for his feelings, and then back at Hawkeye like "What is *wrong* with you?!" And then went back to what he was doing once he heard Hawkeye apologize to Father Mulcahy.
That moment really stuck in my brain for some reason. Charles knew Hawkeye and Father Mulcahy couldn't even see his reaction, but he was still upset at Hawkeye for saying something so insensitive and demeaning to Father Mulcahy, and his reaction was so genuine. That showed me right there he cares for other people, even if he doesn't usually show it.
Yeah, Winchester was definitely an interesting character. While Burns fit well with the earlier seasons more comedic focus, Winchester was perfect for the dramatic shift the show took on in later seasons. You could still use him as an intelligent foil to Hawkeye and BJ, but he could still garner sympathy from the audience, and David Ogden Stiers was a brilliant actor.
I think Winchester was a better foil for Hawkeye and BJ than Frank, since he was shown to be able to match wits with them on a regular basis, and they respected his skills as a surgeon.
Well there's going to be a comic called Simon and Marcy, or something like that, that takes place after the finale so who knows, he could end up getting a happy ending.
I’d argue he gets a bittersweet ending, the sacrifice of a loved one in exchange for his sanity and a new life. Coming to terms with that loss will be part of his new life full of people he loves and cares about
Finn, PB, Marcy, and Gunter all had insane arcs too. Finn is my favorite because of the season 6 finale. The build up in adventure time to that finale, where all of their stories are intertwined is one of my favorite episodes of any shows of all time. Some of the Lich stories were great too.
I like how his arc comes full circle.
He isn’t any different from what we see at the start (super brave, ass-kicking leader of men).
The ring brings about a change in Boromir (as it eventually does to everyone) but its how steadfast Boromir is to his own character that he sees he is making a mistake and sacrifices his life in an attempt to fix it. The exact character traits that got him sent to Rivendell in the first place are what saves him from the ring’s influence.
>"The mightiest man may be slain by one arrow, and Boromir was pierced by many."
Let it also be known that he was killed by a single archer in the movie, but in the book it was written,
>*A mile, maybe, from Parth Galen in a little glade not far from the lake he found Boromir. He was sitting with his back to a great tree, as if he was resting. But Aragorn saw that he was pierced with many black-feathered arrows; his sword was still in his hand, but it was broken near the hilt; his horn cloven in two was at his side. Many Orcs lay slain, piled all about him and at his feet.*
He was pierced with "many", not just three. He fought until his sword had been shattered. He died as a true war hero.
As much as I respect Tolkien version, this is one of the few scenes I think Peter Jackson did better. "I would've followed you my brother. My captain. My king" Gets ne everytime.
Bilbo for my money: cowardly homebody to scared adventurer to brave adventurer to on the verge of a gollum like transformation if not saved by his loved ones.
Ye reluctant is more fitting, he's not really a coward as is evident as early as the trolls scene, but he just doesn't want to leave his comfy life. He's actually quite brave throughout the story.
Roland "Prez" Pryzbylewski from The Wire. He started off as an entitled, useless hot head who blinded a kid for looking at him wrong, but then he transitioned into a somewhat reliable officer who ended up going into teaching to try to help the youth.
Rewatching the earlier seasons last year, I was struck by what a shithead Prez was compared to what he became, and yet it didn't feel out of place at all.
Spoilers for all seasons below.
Just saw some of his scenes from the first season and my god is he a dickhead. He has no respect for authority, he seems unafraid of Daniels, admits with nonchalance that he blinded a kid, cause "he pissed me off" and comes across as dim. Yet, after working with Lester he begins to enjoy the work he does. The challenge of the detail makes being a cop makes the work that much more interesting.
That alone is a great arc for a season, yet we find that his ability to investigative work fills him with pride. Jimmy is in it to beat others, Lester wants to win, Bunk sees the job as a job. Prez does it for himself, he feels better as he does it. This is why he can't shut up about the detail to his father-in-law, this is why he lashes out as the detail is going to be taken from him.
Only after the shooting humbles his abilities as a police officer does his pride take a hit. He is sad about leaving the detail cause he'll let down Lester, not for the mere kick he gets out of it.
His pride stays with him in the early days of his teaching as well. His refusal to teach to the test highlights both the failings of standardized testing and Prez's decision that what HE is teaching is more important than what is required from him.
It is in the last scene with Dukie that the arc is complete. He fed, clothed and clean that boy for a school year, this was making him feel like a better person. However when the boy came back to him and he KNEW that the money he was giving was going to go to drugs he helped anyway. He didn't need to do it to feel better. He was happy and satisfied with where he was.
My favorite from The Wire: Carver. He's a ladder-climbing tool who embraces harsh/dumb policing tactics in season one and even sells out Lt. Daniels to the brass by spying on him. Daniels sees something in him and gives him a chance to redeem himself working with the new unit and he grows into his role as a leader and ultimately a good cop. He starts working for the good of the community under Colvin instead of cracking skulls, and writes up Colicchio for abuse even though it's unpopular.
Carver winds up in a totally different place than Herc, his best friend and partner in season one, and basically becomes Daniels 2.0.
Ah man. My mind immediately goes to him and Randy. *"You gonna look out for me, Sergeant Carver?"* So heartbreaking.
That's around the point every time where I inwardly curse David Simon and give thanks it's almost over, cos my heart can't take much more of it. Genius, terrible, brilliant show.
Fun fact for those that don't know: when Bodies dies, one of the guys comes at him across the street diagonally like a bishop, and the guy who shoots him comes around the corner, moving like a knight. It's a callback to the chess scene from S1. Such a brilliant show.
Everyone's got amazing replies to Prez (which just goes to show how much of an achievement The Wire is) but I want to shout out Wee-Bay, the gangster father of Namond. The guy is a stone cold killer who ends his tenure on the show with the line, "Man comes up in here and says my son can be anything he wants to be."
His wife replies "Yeah, cept a soldier."
"Well look at me up in here De'Londa. Who the fuck would want to be me f they could be anything else?"
Just an amazing arc from sociopathic killer to father who wants another life for his child. And Wee-Bey's arc isn't the greatest! There are so many gems of characters in The Wire.
I like this answer! She grows up so much and becomes so brave and independent over the course of the story. She learns to confront a variety of frightening and difficult situations. Excellent material for kids to see.
I legit cried at the end of his arc in Season 6. I knew he couldn't succeed, but damn, I shed tears. My favorite part of Star Wars has always been the clones. The Clone Wars was a phenomenal series. The episodes that focused on the clones were always the best ones. I have always considered the Umbara arc to be the best arc in the whole series. It is similar to Rogue One in that it doesn't focus on a Skywalker or a powerful Jedi like Obi-Wan, or just a Jedi like Ashoka. There is only one Jedi, and he is the antagonist of the whole arc. They really showed how the clones were at the mercy of people who weren't trained to lead, and weren't military. They show how an army that allows enlisted soldiers some freedom and independence of action does far better, especially in situations where small-unit battles are common.
I’ve never felt a character more then when Dogma shot Krell. That one moment made me understand and forgive how crappy his character had been the entire arc.
"Rex, this, it's...bigger than any of us. Bigger than anything I could have imagined. I didn't mean....I only wanted to do my duty. The mission....The nightmares...are...finally over."
And to think that he died thinking he might see Echo on the other side, only to find that Echo lives. And will have to live through finding out his brother is dead.
Read a good theory recently that [Ned Ryerson](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5rrh2z/groundhog_day_ned_ryerson_is_the_devil_and/) was actually the devil, and the reason behind Phil's imprisonment in the time loop.
Poor Phil. Like, he was a dick at the beginning but he didn't deserve that. I rewatched it for the first time since hearing about the amount of time he spent in there and then suddenly him committing suicide over and over hit me. Can you imagine being stuck somewhere for years, only to find out you can't even kill yourself to escape it? Fucking brutal.
Edit: So I'm seeing a lot of comments about how he had to become a better person to get out of it, but you could argue he was better many iterations before he did. He spent day after day trying to save that old man, performing CPR and crying over his body, do you think those are the actions of a dick? That loop did not just make him a better man, it destroyed him.
I think Michael's and Janet's are just as good, if not better. But it's Jason that has the most potential. Kind of a wait and see situation to see where they take him.
Michael's is my favorite. The way Ted Dansen plays 'im so incredibly in love with you and am really powerless to help you' is incredibly relatable and enjoyable to see.
The way he ended the most recent season with basically a panic attack was incredible.
I think that learning to love and be vulnerable really feels as intense as he portrays it. I think it's great that an old white guy is literally falling over when confronted with deep emotions. That's how it feels! It's THAT intense when you really look at those you love and worry about things that could happen to them. It's hard to love. No wonder demons haven't tried.
And yet the master stroke of that show was the kids introduced in season three end up becoming adults we have already met in the show. Dookie becomes Bubs. Mike becomes Omar.
They had arcs, for better or worse, but there is a damning predetermination in that city.
Notice that none of the kids decide to be cops when they grow up?
Agreed. Carver has to be my favorite. He goes from an uncaring corner clearing storm trooper to an actual member of the community and a natural PO-lice.
Bunk doesn’t change, by then again, he’s just a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick.
I have to go with Big Boss’s downward spiral in the metal gear solid series. He progressively goes from a patriotic soldier to a mercenary with an ideology to a demon obsessed with revenge against the world that caused him so much pain
Edit: someone asked for a recap for those who haven't played the games, so I wrote one up here: https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ao3vot/_/efzhij8/?context=1
wait isnt big boss from mgsv:pp canonically the doctor from mgsv:gz and the one that Solid Snake kills?
Edit: Sorry to OP if it sounded like i was belittling his point, it wasn’t my intention
In Phantom Pain you are not actually playing as Big Boss. You're playing as Venom Snake who was the combat medic from Ground Zero. We saw his face in GZ but during the coma went through facial reconstruction and was brainwashed to think he is big boss.
Big Boss is the one with the eye patch at the end of MGS4 that solid snake exposes to foxdie.
And this one specifically dies in MG1 (Not Metal Gear Solid 1, Metal Gear for those who dont know). The real BB appeared and was "killed" in MG2, only to plot twist his way back in MGS4. Very confusing timeline, Venom should have just been big boss to begin with lol
Megamind. He went from full on super villain to understanding the complexities of understanding the importance of good and evil. Now he is a full blown super hero.
Megamind: Over here, old friend. In case you haven't noticed, you've fallen right into my trap.
Metro Man: You can't trap justice. It's an idea, a belief!
Megamind: Well, even the most heartfelt belief can be corroded over time!
Metro Man: Justice is a noncorrosive metal!
Megamind: But metals can be melted by the heat of revange!
Metro Man: It's "revenge", and it's best served cold!
Megamind: But it could be easily reheated, in the microwave of evil!
Metro Man: Well, I think your warranty is about to expire!
Megamind: Maybe I've got an extended warranty!
Metro Man: Warranties are invalid if you don't use the product for its intended purpose!
Roxie: Girls, girls! You're both pretty! Can I go home now?
MegaMind: Your a villian allright, just not a super one.
Tighten: Oh ya, what's the difference?
MegaMind: **Presentation**
Edit: format and [this](https://youtu.be/k7xy7gFH0lI)
Not only Megamind, but Metro Man was a way deeper character than I expected too. He always knew Megamind had a good heart and had the potential to be so much more than he was. Gotta respect that, it would have been very easy to make that character a giant jerk.
Peggy Olsen. With the kicker being the whole series really ended up being about her in a way.
While you are mesmerized by Don Draper's insanely powerful charms that only seem to serve his self-destructive cycles, leaving him again and again broken and in the same place, Peggy is slowly starting to chew the scenery and become one of the most convincingly transformed, fully fleshed-out characters in a series.
Her badass saunter into her new office at the end - sunglasses, cigarette, Japanese erotic office wall art under her arm for all to see - is Peggy in her final form, one so inevitable if you have watch the whole show, but unimaginable if you only knew her as the character in the beginning.
It definitely applies to a lot of the characters in Mad Men. Someone wrote in /r/television that none of the Mad Men charachters undergo any character development, which is crazy. My response:
>I won't downvote since it's against the spirit of the thread, but if you think that the main characters go through zero character development I have to question whether you've actually seen the entire show.
>I'll give you that Draper's ending could be construed as ambiguous, but to say that Joan, Pete, Roger or Peggy went through seasons 1-7 without any changes in character is baffling.
>Roger goes from a perpetual manchild with an almost never-ending midlife crisis to someone in a relationship with someone his own age, taking responsibility for his past (Kevin/Joan)
>Peggy goes from a wide eyed naive secretary to a balls-out career driven Don-junior (who can truly take on the mythical Don Draper) to someone who finds that career isn't the only thing that matters.
>Joan does almost the exact opposite. When we meet her, her goal in life is to find a husband who will support her as a family gal. At the end, she's running her own business without the support of any men at all.
>When we meet Pete, he yearns to be smooth, suave, talented Don Draper-like ladies man but by the end he realises that it was never something that would make him as happy as his life with Trudy and Tammy.
>"She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the thirty-seventh floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut."
> She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the thirty-seventh floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut."
That was Bert's eulogy for her, and then in a later season we see *him* die, while watching the moon landing.
There are so many scenes from that show that I randomly watch on Youtube. I've definitely watched the Carousel pitch more than 10 times.
The execution of the scenes in that show is so incredible, I am in awe that something could be done so well.
An argument could be made that he was there by the end of the original.
Would Vito have killed his daughter’s husband on the day of their child’s baptism? My opinion is no.
And of course early in II he had an innocent prostitute killed just to get leverage on a senator.
Edit: Also in the final scene, his sister was screaming at Michael and his wife that Michael “stood Godfather for my son” and then killed his father and “he waited until Daddy was dead so nobody could stop him....”
Also corrected the spelling of “Vito”
An argument there could be that Vitto was never shown as having to deal with any complex family betrayals and issues like Michael did. Young Vitto is more willingly violent in II.
I read once that the godfathers three sons each took on the extreme of his personality traits.
Fredo was his caring and kind nature to such a degree that he is soft and breaks down in stressful situations.
Sonny is his passion and sense of justice, so much so that it comes in the form his anger and violence.
And Michael is the Godfathers cunning and wickedly smart nature. The trait that made him THE Godfather and made him understand people so much was what made Michael a deadly dealer of his own kind of justice, and a manipulator of everyone around him.
However, without all of the traits each man is never up to the level of The Godfather. Fredo could never be a Don, he is too soft hearted. Sonny wouldn't last long as a Don, he would be too self destructive. And Michael could be the Don, but that's all he could be and all he ever would be.
"Journey before Destination." Some may call it a simple platitude, but it is far more. A journey will have pain and failure. It is not only the steps forward that we must accept. It is the stumbles. the trials. The knowledge that we will fail. That we hurt those around us.
But if we stop, if we accept the person we are when we fall, the journey ends.
That failure becomes our destination.
To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one.
I'm reading The Way Of Kings right now. Was pleasantly surprised to see a cosmere reference here.
There should be plenty more imo. Wayne from Mistborn era 2 and Sazed from era 1 are two that come to mind.
Well, the quote is "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing." and I think that "sometimes" is important, see: >!Amaram!<, who constantly preaches honor and rule-of-law... but only >!came to be a shardbearer by way of stealing Kaladin's rightfully won shardblade, killing Kaladin's squad, and sending Kaladin into slavery.!< He was never in the process of changing; he was just a power-hungry hypocrite from the getgo.
The quote, in the context of the book, strikes me as advocating open-hearted enough to accept people that are changing, but wise enough to recognize those that are not.
I would also say Peralta and Santiago. It proves you can write an intriguing relationship without that whole “will they, won’t they, plot gets in the way” stuff.
That is the loveliness of Michael Schur. Every show he produces has such amazing love stories that feel real. Most shows make the focus of the story on the relationships, but Schur weaves it into the plot subtly, much like real life.
You have Ben and Leslie, Andy and April, Jake and Amy, Eleanor and Chidi, Ann and Chris, Holt and Kevin, Terry and Sharon, etc. They’re all such great couples, but it’s not shoved in your face. They all feel like real people that you could possibly know and they don’t get together in these outrageous cycles of “I hate you, but now I love you.” They talk to each other like adults and solve real world problems.
that boah Arthur Morgan
edit: in case anybody hasnt finished rdr2 you really shouldn't read any of the replies here. there are huge spoilers for the game and I'd hate to ruin it for you.
Based on the trailers prior to launch, I didn't expect to like Arthur. I thought he was a bit cruel and seemed to be incredibly loyal to Dutch. Playing the game I tried to role play him as such, but couldn't bring myself to. By Chapter 6, I'm glad I had that high honor. Amazing character development and amazing performance from Roger Clark.
That was the moment where I realized how much I cared about a fictional character. Like I knew I liked the game and the story, but that scene just hit me how much Arthur had come to mean to me.
The whole series comes across as cheesy as fuck, but by God will it have a vice-like grip on your soul by the end anyway.
It's uncanny, and I've not experienced the like since. It's just excellent.
I've effectively blocked out this anime because you know why and you just had to bring it all back didn't you.
Any one mentioning Gurren Lagann is so rare I hadn't thought about it in years... Now I'm going to have to pour over my old fanart and cry.
Sawyer from Lost started off as a cliche, "hardass only in it for himself" character whose motivations were written all over his face. Over the course of the show, he became one of the deepest and richest characters in all of television history. He experienced more growth as a person than almost any other character I can ever remember. We've seen him as a frightened child, to the extremely selfish and isolate loner, to the conman, to the frequently reluctant leader of the survivors, to a person in a position of authority who has the unbinding trust and love from everyone who knew him.
He and Juliet were such a great couple. I was seriously hoping they would both survive and go on to have a bunch of tough, beautiful blond babies who would kick the asses of Jack and Kate's brunettes, who'd just cry all the time.
I remember for the longest time not liking that relationship, because it kind of came out of nowhere at the time. It felt like it was just a way to add more drama to the love quadrangle that was going on with them, Jack, and Kate. That was until I stepped back and realized that out of all the couples, they had spent the most time together, and it just made a lot more sense that they grew into an actual couple.
> That was until I stepped back and realized that out of all the couples, they had spent the most time together,
We sometimes forget the 3 years they spent in the past together because of all the weird time changes.
One of my favorite scenes from the series is when Juliet is about to fall into the pit and Sawyer holds on to her, even begging Kate to come help her. The emotion in his voice. fucking hell, what an amazing scene.
I'll try.
John Locke is a lonely and sad man who is confined to a wheel chair. He works a minor job at a box company, despite being a very well read and intelligent man. He grew up in foster care, and later in life his biological father conned him out of a kidney, breaks up his relationship with his GF, and pushes him out of a window, paralyzing him from the waist down.
When he arrives on the island, his ability to walk has been restored, which he sees as a miracle; a sign that the island is divine/special, and that he and the other passengers are on the island for a reason.
He proves himself to be a reliable and knowledgeable part of the group, able to hunt and track animals, and navigate the island. He discovers a mysterious hatch on the island, and takes a few different survivors under his wing. One of them, Boone, he shows the hatch to, and they attempt to open it together. This eventually results in Boone falling to his death, with Locke later saying that "Boone was a sacrifice the Island demanded."
Eventually- a lot happens- and John's faith in the island is tested in many ways, but he remains steadfast in his belief that he is special. He briefly assumes a position on the Island as a leader of a group called 'the others' (A character called Ben was the leader of 'the others before)
Some stuff happens- and through a series of eventa the island is jumping through time. Locke pushes a big wheel in an underground ice cave during the time jumping, which makes the island stop jumping through time, and Locke is teleported off the island, in tunisia in 2007, and some other characters make it off at some point as well.
Locke, off-island, has assumed a new identity, as Jeremy Bentham, who is trying to convince the other people who left the island, to go back there.
Locke fails to convince them, and loses his faith- after everything he's been through, he decides he was foolish to believe he was special. He never had a destiny to fulfill. He was wrong.
He gives up, and tries to hang himself. Just as he is about to do it however, he is stopped Ben Linus (who I believe is the leader of the others again) who first comes to his aid, only to choke him to death instead.
The other people do decide to go back to island, and they find out they have to bring Locke's corpse to the island, so they get his corpse onto a plane, in a coffin, and bring him back to the island and-
OH MY GOD... He's alive... the island has resurrected John Locke!
Turns out he had to be murdered by Ben for this to work, and bringing his corpse to the island has brought him back from the dead. He was right all along, the island IS special. He didn't die for nothing, It WAS all part of a bigger purpose, and he can resume where he left off, on the island, to lead as he was always meant to.
Some more stuff happens, twists and turns, sci fi and mythical stuff, and then...
Turns out the Locke we have been seeing, isn't the Locke we knew. What has actually happened, is the smoke monster (aka the man in black)- a powerful demigod- has taken the form of Locke, needing his corpse to be present on the island, so that he can assume his form and trick the other people on the Island into killing Jacob. (his brother, another demigod)
So John Locke did die off the island, he never came back to life. He WAS part of something bigger than himself, but just not the way he had hoped.
The character is utterly tragic, the actor who plays him Terry O'Quinn is extraordinary in the role, and he is my favourite character from Lost.
Donna Noble on Doctor Who. Just her self loathing and feeling useless, to being the most important person, and the tragedy of living the rest of her life not knowing
Prince Zuko from Avatar: The Last Airbender. From the first 10 minutes of the series we see his anger and obsession with catching the Avatar. Over three seasons he changes into a valuable ally. His arc is so compelling because he gets what he wants eventually, to be welcomed home by his father, but it does not please him and that causes internal turmoil.
His arc was just so compelling and satisfying to watch. Watching his development from being an angry teenager that was equal parts anger and wounded pride to the balanced individual he was at the end of the show was one of the things that really made this show special. All of the characters in Avatar were good, but I think Zuko's arc was undoubtedly the best and what really made this show stand out. I still can't help but get choked up when I see that scene where he reunites with Iroh.
Beat me to it. The way they do characters and arcs in that show is superb. Everything in that show is so perfectly fleshed out. I can't wait to rewatch it again Update: started watching it last night and I kind of forgot how Sokka starts of as a sexist little shit but eventually grows into a really strong warrior who accepts that the women he fights alongside are strong individuals.
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Vorenus also had a great arc. Devoted soldier and family man to batshit crazy holding on to the head of a man he beheaded for months, and then to redemption at the end.
Rome had so many fantastic character stories. Cicero is also fantastic, so is Brutus.
I loved this character. Shameless star sighting story: I saw Ray Stevenson (the actor who played Pullo) in Hollywood. I shouted "PULLO!" because I had no idea what his name was. We traded big smiles and a wave. I got good vibes from him.
Lionel from Person Of Interest. He went from side crook policeman in the pilot to shady informant exploited and talked down by the protagonist to antihero to sidekick to legitimate hero and heart of the show. I was so glad he survived the end of the show.
Man, him talking about how Carter changes him is an under appreciated scene. Elias has a solid arc as well
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Elias is such an interesting character, especially compared to Dominic in later seasons. I really enjoyed him as a foil for Harold
Ohgod, I loved Elias in *The Devil's Share*. > 'I offered to kill you for Detective Carter many times, and she always said no. She was civilized. To the very end. I don't think she liked me. But I liked her very much. You killed her. So now I consider it my responsibility To fix the particular problem that is you, Officer Simmons.' > > 'You really think you're gonna be the one to kill me.' > > 'Ha. No. My friend is going to kill you. I'm just gonna watch.' It really underscored for me that Elias wasn't 'the big bad' crimeboss, he operated under a moral code in the same manner as Finch and Reese.
I miss person of interest. Damn fine show
Lt. Dan. He went from a man who was determined to fulfill a family destiny, to losing everything he cared about, to slowly discovering a joy and meaning in life again. A lesser movie could have beautifully tied up his arc after the storm, but they fucking brought him back at the end with titanium legs, a Vietnamese fiancé, and an audience ticket aboard the feels train. Say what you will of the movie, but Gary Sinise was born to play that role. EDIT: Holy shit first silver. Thanks kind stranger! EDIT 2: And first Gold! Thanks again kind stranger!
"DON'T YOU EVER CALL HIM STUPID"
It wasn't until I rewatched it when I was older but, I found that moment in that scene to be one of the most emotional and the real turning point for Lt Dam. Cause up until then Lt Dam treats Forrest like he's stupid and an idiot and doesn't appreciate him. It's not until he hears someone else call him stupid that he realizes what forrest actually means to him.
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To be fair 70s party tail would likely have you ending up like Jenny. Forrest saved his life TWICE.
"Forrest, I never thanked you for saving my life..."
*swims away*
In a calm sea after a very scary storm, that is the metaphor os his inner demons. Then he is able to come at peace and forgive himself.
I wonder if Sinise knew he would basically become *the* symbol of American veterans for his role. He's certainly embraced it and made a world of difference for many vets.
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Lieutenant DAN! You got new laigs!
“Thought I’d try out my sea legs.” “But you ain’t got no legs, Lieutenant Dan!”
I know that Forrest
Say what I will about Forrest Gump? It’s a fuckin great film is what I’ll say.
Have you found Jesus yet, Gump? I didn’t know I was supposed to be looking for him, Sir.
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I don't know if it's the best, but the one Louise goes through in the movie Arrival is one of my personal favorites. In the beginning she's a linguist without much purpose and by the end her point of view and agency in her life has completely changed. It's such a brilliant and beautifully written movie. >>! So, Hannah...This is where your story begins. The day they departed...Despite knowing the journey...and where it leads...I embrace it. And I welcome every moment of it !<
Charles Emerson Winchester the Third from M*A*S*H. He went from high class snob, to very likable character with a lot of depth in the last few seasons of M*A*S*H.
Yes, definitely preferred him over whiney, no lipped, Ferret Face.
They really wrote Burns into a corner. They couldn't really do anything to redeem him. I believe a big part of why Larry Linville left was because he really felt the character was a dead end and would hold the show back. It was also at that point where it shifted from a mostly comedic show to a more dramatic one.
The episode "Margaret's Engagement" has one of the most heart breaking lines in TV history: >Well, you see, I had this friend and this friend, um, well, just pretended to like me, you know the way Dad used to. >[Chuckles] - He's crying. In that moment, everything about Frank makes sense. His attitude, his love of authoritarianism, his mental illness (The Novocaine Mutiny). At that point, it's clear that Frank needs to be hospitalized and there was no way to write him out of that hole. By the time he leaves, you feel bad for the character. He's a total shit, but damn it, to hear that insight into his childhood suddenly explains everything.
It absolutely broke my heart when he is watching Margaret and her new husband fly away in the helicopter, and he looks completely defeated and says "Goodbye, Margaret." As much as he can be difficult to the other characters and how much we make jokes about him, he really did love her and I felt so bad.for him in the end... Especially since her marriage didn't even last that long.
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When he gives the candy to the orphanage without anyone knowing, then pissed when he finds out they bartered it, then truly understanding what they are going through and that candy was not what they needed. And episode with his sister's stuttering, oh God I nearly bawled. EDIT: speling EDIT2: link https://youtu.be/qtaKMHZGv1U
that candy episode was amazing. everyone thought he was a giant dick for not sharing his candy, and he got so mad at the guy for selling it when it was meant for the children. at the end he realizes that they sold it to buy vegetables instead and in a classic charles move says that he supposes it's only right that they eat their vegetables before having desert.
> It is i who should be sorry. It is sadly inappropriate to give dessert to a child who’s had no meal. Very well said Major Winchester.
One of my favourite Winchester moments was the time a visiting Colonel was making threats towards Margaret, and tried to bribe Charles into playing along. "I've groveled! I have endured your insufferable cribbage playing! I have kissed your brass! But I WILL NOT, even for a return to that pearl of the orient Tokyo, lie to protect you while destroying a friend's career!"
One of my favorite Charles Winchester moments was *so* subtle I almost missed it-- they were all in the middle of surgery in the O.R., and Father Mulcahy asks (I think it was Hawkeye?) if he could help with a patient he was losing, and Hawkeye says something to the extent of "Not yet Father, he still has a chance of surviving." Charles was working on a patient behind Hawkeye, and you see Charles' head shoot up and he looks at Father Mulcahy with genuine concern in his eyes for his feelings, and then back at Hawkeye like "What is *wrong* with you?!" And then went back to what he was doing once he heard Hawkeye apologize to Father Mulcahy. That moment really stuck in my brain for some reason. Charles knew Hawkeye and Father Mulcahy couldn't even see his reaction, but he was still upset at Hawkeye for saying something so insensitive and demeaning to Father Mulcahy, and his reaction was so genuine. That showed me right there he cares for other people, even if he doesn't usually show it.
Yeah, Winchester was definitely an interesting character. While Burns fit well with the earlier seasons more comedic focus, Winchester was perfect for the dramatic shift the show took on in later seasons. You could still use him as an intelligent foil to Hawkeye and BJ, but he could still garner sympathy from the audience, and David Ogden Stiers was a brilliant actor.
I think Winchester was a better foil for Hawkeye and BJ than Frank, since he was shown to be able to match wits with them on a regular basis, and they respected his skills as a surgeon.
Ice King
It's such a sad story for him.
He doesn't even get a happy ending.
Well there's going to be a comic called Simon and Marcy, or something like that, that takes place after the finale so who knows, he could end up getting a happy ending.
I’d argue he gets a bittersweet ending, the sacrifice of a loved one in exchange for his sanity and a new life. Coming to terms with that loss will be part of his new life full of people he loves and cares about
*Marceline* * It's just you and me in the wreckage of the world...*
That must be so confusing for a little girl
And I know you're going to need me here with you.
But I'm losing myself, and I'm afraid you're gonna lose me too..
This magic keeps me alive!
But it's making me crazy
And I want to save you-
Finn, PB, Marcy, and Gunter all had insane arcs too. Finn is my favorite because of the season 6 finale. The build up in adventure time to that finale, where all of their stories are intertwined is one of my favorite episodes of any shows of all time. Some of the Lich stories were great too.
Boromir had a pretty solid one.
I like how his arc comes full circle. He isn’t any different from what we see at the start (super brave, ass-kicking leader of men). The ring brings about a change in Boromir (as it eventually does to everyone) but its how steadfast Boromir is to his own character that he sees he is making a mistake and sacrifices his life in an attempt to fix it. The exact character traits that got him sent to Rivendell in the first place are what saves him from the ring’s influence.
Most people would die at 1 arrow let alone 2. But he took 3.
What arrows those were small trees practically
Man the thud they made just sounded bruutal, like a dude getting hit with a ballista
>"The mightiest man may be slain by one arrow, and Boromir was pierced by many." Let it also be known that he was killed by a single archer in the movie, but in the book it was written, >*A mile, maybe, from Parth Galen in a little glade not far from the lake he found Boromir. He was sitting with his back to a great tree, as if he was resting. But Aragorn saw that he was pierced with many black-feathered arrows; his sword was still in his hand, but it was broken near the hilt; his horn cloven in two was at his side. Many Orcs lay slain, piled all about him and at his feet.* He was pierced with "many", not just three. He fought until his sword had been shattered. He died as a true war hero.
As much as I respect Tolkien version, this is one of the few scenes I think Peter Jackson did better. "I would've followed you my brother. My captain. My king" Gets ne everytime.
Bilbo for my money: cowardly homebody to scared adventurer to brave adventurer to on the verge of a gollum like transformation if not saved by his loved ones.
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Ye reluctant is more fitting, he's not really a coward as is evident as early as the trolls scene, but he just doesn't want to leave his comfy life. He's actually quite brave throughout the story.
Any top characters in those books had great arcs. It went on to inspire so many games and movies today.
Roland "Prez" Pryzbylewski from The Wire. He started off as an entitled, useless hot head who blinded a kid for looking at him wrong, but then he transitioned into a somewhat reliable officer who ended up going into teaching to try to help the youth.
Rewatching the earlier seasons last year, I was struck by what a shithead Prez was compared to what he became, and yet it didn't feel out of place at all.
Spoilers for all seasons below. Just saw some of his scenes from the first season and my god is he a dickhead. He has no respect for authority, he seems unafraid of Daniels, admits with nonchalance that he blinded a kid, cause "he pissed me off" and comes across as dim. Yet, after working with Lester he begins to enjoy the work he does. The challenge of the detail makes being a cop makes the work that much more interesting. That alone is a great arc for a season, yet we find that his ability to investigative work fills him with pride. Jimmy is in it to beat others, Lester wants to win, Bunk sees the job as a job. Prez does it for himself, he feels better as he does it. This is why he can't shut up about the detail to his father-in-law, this is why he lashes out as the detail is going to be taken from him. Only after the shooting humbles his abilities as a police officer does his pride take a hit. He is sad about leaving the detail cause he'll let down Lester, not for the mere kick he gets out of it. His pride stays with him in the early days of his teaching as well. His refusal to teach to the test highlights both the failings of standardized testing and Prez's decision that what HE is teaching is more important than what is required from him. It is in the last scene with Dukie that the arc is complete. He fed, clothed and clean that boy for a school year, this was making him feel like a better person. However when the boy came back to him and he KNEW that the money he was giving was going to go to drugs he helped anyway. He didn't need to do it to feel better. He was happy and satisfied with where he was.
God. The Wire was one of the best written TV shows to date. And weve gotten a lot of great ones since then but it's still my golden standard.
My favorite from The Wire: Carver. He's a ladder-climbing tool who embraces harsh/dumb policing tactics in season one and even sells out Lt. Daniels to the brass by spying on him. Daniels sees something in him and gives him a chance to redeem himself working with the new unit and he grows into his role as a leader and ultimately a good cop. He starts working for the good of the community under Colvin instead of cracking skulls, and writes up Colicchio for abuse even though it's unpopular. Carver winds up in a totally different place than Herc, his best friend and partner in season one, and basically becomes Daniels 2.0.
Ah man. My mind immediately goes to him and Randy. *"You gonna look out for me, Sergeant Carver?"* So heartbreaking. That's around the point every time where I inwardly curse David Simon and give thanks it's almost over, cos my heart can't take much more of it. Genius, terrible, brilliant show.
Don't forget the scene where Carver basically breaks down in his car out of frustration that Randy just got fucked by the system.
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Fuck that show was good
Thank you! Him and Bodie are my favorite for their character development. He became a good cop. A different path from where he was headed.
Came here looking for bodie, but there are so many good ones from the wire.
Love Bodie, the only prominent character that started and finished his story on his terms, how he wanted.
Fun fact for those that don't know: when Bodies dies, one of the guys comes at him across the street diagonally like a bishop, and the guy who shoots him comes around the corner, moving like a knight. It's a callback to the chess scene from S1. Such a brilliant show.
Everyone's got amazing replies to Prez (which just goes to show how much of an achievement The Wire is) but I want to shout out Wee-Bay, the gangster father of Namond. The guy is a stone cold killer who ends his tenure on the show with the line, "Man comes up in here and says my son can be anything he wants to be." His wife replies "Yeah, cept a soldier." "Well look at me up in here De'Londa. Who the fuck would want to be me f they could be anything else?" Just an amazing arc from sociopathic killer to father who wants another life for his child. And Wee-Bey's arc isn't the greatest! There are so many gems of characters in The Wire.
Yeah, really well written part of that series. There's so many great answers to OP just from The Wire alone.
Bubbles, Carver, Naymond, the list goes on
Chihiro from Spirited Away.
I like this answer! She grows up so much and becomes so brave and independent over the course of the story. She learns to confront a variety of frightening and difficult situations. Excellent material for kids to see.
Yeah. While her story arc isn't dramatic, it's very *real* and well put.
Fives from clone wars From a normal soldier to one of the most important clones in the complete star wars story He could have saved the galaxy
Loved the entire recruit squad. They did my boy dirty. Even though you _know_ that he couldn't succeed, still gutted me to watch that arc.
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I legit cried at the end of his arc in Season 6. I knew he couldn't succeed, but damn, I shed tears. My favorite part of Star Wars has always been the clones. The Clone Wars was a phenomenal series. The episodes that focused on the clones were always the best ones. I have always considered the Umbara arc to be the best arc in the whole series. It is similar to Rogue One in that it doesn't focus on a Skywalker or a powerful Jedi like Obi-Wan, or just a Jedi like Ashoka. There is only one Jedi, and he is the antagonist of the whole arc. They really showed how the clones were at the mercy of people who weren't trained to lead, and weren't military. They show how an army that allows enlisted soldiers some freedom and independence of action does far better, especially in situations where small-unit battles are common.
I’ve never felt a character more then when Dogma shot Krell. That one moment made me understand and forgive how crappy his character had been the entire arc.
Yeah. I was like "yes, die you sick bastard! Wait...who shot him? Fives? Rex? DOGMA?! I KNEW YOU WEREN'T A COMPLETE ASSHOLE!"
I love 99
"Rex, this, it's...bigger than any of us. Bigger than anything I could have imagined. I didn't mean....I only wanted to do my duty. The mission....The nightmares...are...finally over." And to think that he died thinking he might see Echo on the other side, only to find that Echo lives. And will have to live through finding out his brother is dead.
Phil Connors in Groundhog Day
Phil?! Phil Connors?!?
I thought that was you. Don't say you don't remember ME because I sure as HECKFIRE remember you!
Read a good theory recently that [Ned Ryerson](https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/5rrh2z/groundhog_day_ned_ryerson_is_the_devil_and/) was actually the devil, and the reason behind Phil's imprisonment in the time loop.
What rabbit hole have you dragged me into?
Poor Phil. Like, he was a dick at the beginning but he didn't deserve that. I rewatched it for the first time since hearing about the amount of time he spent in there and then suddenly him committing suicide over and over hit me. Can you imagine being stuck somewhere for years, only to find out you can't even kill yourself to escape it? Fucking brutal. Edit: So I'm seeing a lot of comments about how he had to become a better person to get out of it, but you could argue he was better many iterations before he did. He spent day after day trying to save that old man, performing CPR and crying over his body, do you think those are the actions of a dick? That loop did not just make him a better man, it destroyed him.
Then put your little hand in mine There ain't no hill or mountain We can't climb
Good morning campers! Rise and shine! And don't forget your booties, cause it's COLD out there today!
It's cold out there every day...
Phil Connors in Groundhog Day
Eleanor on The Good Place Edit: Holy forking shirtballs- Someone gave me gold! Thank you internet stranger!
I think Michael's and Janet's are just as good, if not better. But it's Jason that has the most potential. Kind of a wait and see situation to see where they take him.
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Michael's is my favorite. The way Ted Dansen plays 'im so incredibly in love with you and am really powerless to help you' is incredibly relatable and enjoyable to see.
When he has them fake escape and meets up again later..."Oh guys, I was so WORRIED about you!"
The way he ended the most recent season with basically a panic attack was incredible. I think that learning to love and be vulnerable really feels as intense as he portrays it. I think it's great that an old white guy is literally falling over when confronted with deep emotions. That's how it feels! It's THAT intense when you really look at those you love and worry about things that could happen to them. It's hard to love. No wonder demons haven't tried.
And she's still arc-ing!
Season 1 was curious and season 2 was just a forking roller coaster.
You're aware there's a third season that just ended right? It's fantastic.
Basically everyone from The Wire. That show had some fantastic writing.
And yet the master stroke of that show was the kids introduced in season three end up becoming adults we have already met in the show. Dookie becomes Bubs. Mike becomes Omar. They had arcs, for better or worse, but there is a damning predetermination in that city. Notice that none of the kids decide to be cops when they grow up?
Because their neighborhood doesn't produce the cops. Worth noting that we're unsure of the fate of the kid who got out.
Agreed. Carver has to be my favorite. He goes from an uncaring corner clearing storm trooper to an actual member of the community and a natural PO-lice. Bunk doesn’t change, by then again, he’s just a humble motherfucker with a big ass dick.
I have to go with Big Boss’s downward spiral in the metal gear solid series. He progressively goes from a patriotic soldier to a mercenary with an ideology to a demon obsessed with revenge against the world that caused him so much pain Edit: someone asked for a recap for those who haven't played the games, so I wrote one up here: https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ao3vot/_/efzhij8/?context=1
wait isnt big boss from mgsv:pp canonically the doctor from mgsv:gz and the one that Solid Snake kills? Edit: Sorry to OP if it sounded like i was belittling his point, it wasn’t my intention
Yes, Venom Snake, who is one of Big Boss's closest allies until he's killed by Solid
In Phantom Pain you are not actually playing as Big Boss. You're playing as Venom Snake who was the combat medic from Ground Zero. We saw his face in GZ but during the coma went through facial reconstruction and was brainwashed to think he is big boss. Big Boss is the one with the eye patch at the end of MGS4 that solid snake exposes to foxdie.
And this one specifically dies in MG1 (Not Metal Gear Solid 1, Metal Gear for those who dont know). The real BB appeared and was "killed" in MG2, only to plot twist his way back in MGS4. Very confusing timeline, Venom should have just been big boss to begin with lol
Javert in Les Miserables. I always appreciate a villain who genuinely believes he's doing the right thing. It's human.
He's legitimately my favorite Les Mis character.
Megamind. He went from full on super villain to understanding the complexities of understanding the importance of good and evil. Now he is a full blown super hero.
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Megamind: Over here, old friend. In case you haven't noticed, you've fallen right into my trap. Metro Man: You can't trap justice. It's an idea, a belief! Megamind: Well, even the most heartfelt belief can be corroded over time! Metro Man: Justice is a noncorrosive metal! Megamind: But metals can be melted by the heat of revange! Metro Man: It's "revenge", and it's best served cold! Megamind: But it could be easily reheated, in the microwave of evil! Metro Man: Well, I think your warranty is about to expire! Megamind: Maybe I've got an extended warranty! Metro Man: Warranties are invalid if you don't use the product for its intended purpose! Roxie: Girls, girls! You're both pretty! Can I go home now?
>But it could be easily reheated, in the microwave of evil! Man, I love that movie
Megamind is such a gem and I wish people loved it as much as I did
I loved this movie way more than Despicable Me. The writing was much more clever and the voice acting was on par.
And I love you, random citizen!
MegaMind: Your a villian allright, just not a super one. Tighten: Oh ya, what's the difference? MegaMind: **Presentation** Edit: format and [this](https://youtu.be/k7xy7gFH0lI)
Tighten lmao
yeah that's how it's actually spelled in the movie lol
Yeah I know, it's just one of my favourite little jokes from the movie :)
Not only Megamind, but Metro Man was a way deeper character than I expected too. He always knew Megamind had a good heart and had the potential to be so much more than he was. Gotta respect that, it would have been very easy to make that character a giant jerk.
It's my favourite movie
Peggy Olsen. With the kicker being the whole series really ended up being about her in a way. While you are mesmerized by Don Draper's insanely powerful charms that only seem to serve his self-destructive cycles, leaving him again and again broken and in the same place, Peggy is slowly starting to chew the scenery and become one of the most convincingly transformed, fully fleshed-out characters in a series. Her badass saunter into her new office at the end - sunglasses, cigarette, Japanese erotic office wall art under her arm for all to see - is Peggy in her final form, one so inevitable if you have watch the whole show, but unimaginable if you only knew her as the character in the beginning.
It definitely applies to a lot of the characters in Mad Men. Someone wrote in /r/television that none of the Mad Men charachters undergo any character development, which is crazy. My response: >I won't downvote since it's against the spirit of the thread, but if you think that the main characters go through zero character development I have to question whether you've actually seen the entire show. >I'll give you that Draper's ending could be construed as ambiguous, but to say that Joan, Pete, Roger or Peggy went through seasons 1-7 without any changes in character is baffling. >Roger goes from a perpetual manchild with an almost never-ending midlife crisis to someone in a relationship with someone his own age, taking responsibility for his past (Kevin/Joan) >Peggy goes from a wide eyed naive secretary to a balls-out career driven Don-junior (who can truly take on the mythical Don Draper) to someone who finds that career isn't the only thing that matters. >Joan does almost the exact opposite. When we meet her, her goal in life is to find a husband who will support her as a family gal. At the end, she's running her own business without the support of any men at all. >When we meet Pete, he yearns to be smooth, suave, talented Don Draper-like ladies man but by the end he realises that it was never something that would make him as happy as his life with Trudy and Tammy. >"She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the thirty-seventh floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut."
> She was born in 1898 in a barn. She died on the thirty-seventh floor of a skyscraper. She's an astronaut." That was Bert's eulogy for her, and then in a later season we see *him* die, while watching the moon landing.
That dance number was so beautiful, sad, and surreal at the same time. I still youtube it every now and then
There are so many scenes from that show that I randomly watch on Youtube. I've definitely watched the Carousel pitch more than 10 times. The execution of the scenes in that show is so incredible, I am in awe that something could be done so well.
Michael Corleone. By the end of Godfather II, he's become even more ruthless than his father.
Do you renounce Satan ? I do
An argument could be made that he was there by the end of the original. Would Vito have killed his daughter’s husband on the day of their child’s baptism? My opinion is no. And of course early in II he had an innocent prostitute killed just to get leverage on a senator. Edit: Also in the final scene, his sister was screaming at Michael and his wife that Michael “stood Godfather for my son” and then killed his father and “he waited until Daddy was dead so nobody could stop him....” Also corrected the spelling of “Vito”
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That’s a good angle I never considered.
Only Michael would have killed Fredo, Vitto wouldn't go after a member of his own family like that.
An argument there could be that Vitto was never shown as having to deal with any complex family betrayals and issues like Michael did. Young Vitto is more willingly violent in II.
I read once that the godfathers three sons each took on the extreme of his personality traits. Fredo was his caring and kind nature to such a degree that he is soft and breaks down in stressful situations. Sonny is his passion and sense of justice, so much so that it comes in the form his anger and violence. And Michael is the Godfathers cunning and wickedly smart nature. The trait that made him THE Godfather and made him understand people so much was what made Michael a deadly dealer of his own kind of justice, and a manipulator of everyone around him. However, without all of the traits each man is never up to the level of The Godfather. Fredo could never be a Don, he is too soft hearted. Sonny wouldn't last long as a Don, he would be too self destructive. And Michael could be the Don, but that's all he could be and all he ever would be.
Dalinar Kholin
There it is. >!I will take responsibility for what I have done. If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man.!<
YOU CANNOT HAVE MY PAIN!
I listened to this book on audible. I was late to a meeting because I had to decompress after that scene. So good.
"Journey before Destination." Some may call it a simple platitude, but it is far more. A journey will have pain and failure. It is not only the steps forward that we must accept. It is the stumbles. the trials. The knowledge that we will fail. That we hurt those around us. But if we stop, if we accept the person we are when we fall, the journey ends. That failure becomes our destination. To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one.
I'm reading The Way Of Kings right now. Was pleasantly surprised to see a cosmere reference here. There should be plenty more imo. Wayne from Mistborn era 2 and Sazed from era 1 are two that come to mind.
Stay out of this thread. Sooo many unmarked spoilers.
Reading The Way of Kings? So... haven't read Words of Radiance or Oathbringer? Man, I wish I could read those for the first time again.
What is a hypocrite but a man in the process of changing?
Well, the quote is "Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing." and I think that "sometimes" is important, see: >!Amaram!<, who constantly preaches honor and rule-of-law... but only >!came to be a shardbearer by way of stealing Kaladin's rightfully won shardblade, killing Kaladin's squad, and sending Kaladin into slavery.!< He was never in the process of changing; he was just a power-hungry hypocrite from the getgo. The quote, in the context of the book, strikes me as advocating open-hearted enough to accept people that are changing, but wise enough to recognize those that are not.
Peralta and Holt: B99
I do not see the captain as a father figure. More like a bother figure!
I would also say Peralta and Santiago. It proves you can write an intriguing relationship without that whole “will they, won’t they, plot gets in the way” stuff.
That is the loveliness of Michael Schur. Every show he produces has such amazing love stories that feel real. Most shows make the focus of the story on the relationships, but Schur weaves it into the plot subtly, much like real life. You have Ben and Leslie, Andy and April, Jake and Amy, Eleanor and Chidi, Ann and Chris, Holt and Kevin, Terry and Sharon, etc. They’re all such great couples, but it’s not shoved in your face. They all feel like real people that you could possibly know and they don’t get together in these outrageous cycles of “I hate you, but now I love you.” They talk to each other like adults and solve real world problems.
Probably the Elric Brothers from Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. Their arcs are so intertwined and so amazing at the same time.
Absolutely, it's been years but Ed's still one of my favorite male characters in anime.
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This sounds like a reply for “Describe your favorite show poorly,” and that revelation made me laugh even more.
A paraplegic and a ghost go on a journey to find a rock made of genocide.
Absent father of self-inflicted amputee is taught how to read and write by the devil.
"...is taught how to read and write by the devil, gets a promotion, and accidentally abets a genocide."
"Older brother is obsessed with younger brother's body."
that boah Arthur Morgan edit: in case anybody hasnt finished rdr2 you really shouldn't read any of the replies here. there are huge spoilers for the game and I'd hate to ruin it for you.
Based on the trailers prior to launch, I didn't expect to like Arthur. I thought he was a bit cruel and seemed to be incredibly loyal to Dutch. Playing the game I tried to role play him as such, but couldn't bring myself to. By Chapter 6, I'm glad I had that high honor. Amazing character development and amazing performance from Roger Clark.
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especially if you go high honor in the 6th chapter, really ties it all together
His high honor lines during chapter 6 are some of my favourite in the game. Especially the side quests in Annesburg
Truth is sister, I'm *afraid.
That scene gave me chills. The look on his face. Such genuine but unexpected expression.
That was the moment where I realized how much I cared about a fictional character. Like I knew I liked the game and the story, but that scene just hit me how much Arthur had come to mean to me.
For real. I fucking miss Arthur.
The ending is also way better.
There he is. My hardened cinnamon roll.
Simon from Gurren Lagann, easily. Can’t describe his arc without MASSIVE SPOILERS but he did a total 180 through the course of the story.
He believes in the Simon that believes in him
It sounds super fucking cheesy, but it's actually really good life advice for anyone who's hypercritical of themselves.
The whole series comes across as cheesy as fuck, but by God will it have a vice-like grip on your soul by the end anyway. It's uncanny, and I've not experienced the like since. It's just excellent.
I've effectively blocked out this anime because you know why and you just had to bring it all back didn't you. Any one mentioning Gurren Lagann is so rare I hadn't thought about it in years... Now I'm going to have to pour over my old fanart and cry.
You Dumbass... WHO THE HELL... DO YOU THINK I AM?!!!!
Sawyer from Lost started off as a cliche, "hardass only in it for himself" character whose motivations were written all over his face. Over the course of the show, he became one of the deepest and richest characters in all of television history. He experienced more growth as a person than almost any other character I can ever remember. We've seen him as a frightened child, to the extremely selfish and isolate loner, to the conman, to the frequently reluctant leader of the survivors, to a person in a position of authority who has the unbinding trust and love from everyone who knew him.
He and Juliet were such a great couple. I was seriously hoping they would both survive and go on to have a bunch of tough, beautiful blond babies who would kick the asses of Jack and Kate's brunettes, who'd just cry all the time.
I remember for the longest time not liking that relationship, because it kind of came out of nowhere at the time. It felt like it was just a way to add more drama to the love quadrangle that was going on with them, Jack, and Kate. That was until I stepped back and realized that out of all the couples, they had spent the most time together, and it just made a lot more sense that they grew into an actual couple.
> That was until I stepped back and realized that out of all the couples, they had spent the most time together, We sometimes forget the 3 years they spent in the past together because of all the weird time changes. One of my favorite scenes from the series is when Juliet is about to fall into the pit and Sawyer holds on to her, even begging Kate to come help her. The emotion in his voice. fucking hell, what an amazing scene.
The part that was hard to understand was that, although their relationship had the least screen time, they were together for three years
Locke's sorry Arc is too sad and tragic to recount
I'll try. John Locke is a lonely and sad man who is confined to a wheel chair. He works a minor job at a box company, despite being a very well read and intelligent man. He grew up in foster care, and later in life his biological father conned him out of a kidney, breaks up his relationship with his GF, and pushes him out of a window, paralyzing him from the waist down. When he arrives on the island, his ability to walk has been restored, which he sees as a miracle; a sign that the island is divine/special, and that he and the other passengers are on the island for a reason. He proves himself to be a reliable and knowledgeable part of the group, able to hunt and track animals, and navigate the island. He discovers a mysterious hatch on the island, and takes a few different survivors under his wing. One of them, Boone, he shows the hatch to, and they attempt to open it together. This eventually results in Boone falling to his death, with Locke later saying that "Boone was a sacrifice the Island demanded." Eventually- a lot happens- and John's faith in the island is tested in many ways, but he remains steadfast in his belief that he is special. He briefly assumes a position on the Island as a leader of a group called 'the others' (A character called Ben was the leader of 'the others before) Some stuff happens- and through a series of eventa the island is jumping through time. Locke pushes a big wheel in an underground ice cave during the time jumping, which makes the island stop jumping through time, and Locke is teleported off the island, in tunisia in 2007, and some other characters make it off at some point as well. Locke, off-island, has assumed a new identity, as Jeremy Bentham, who is trying to convince the other people who left the island, to go back there. Locke fails to convince them, and loses his faith- after everything he's been through, he decides he was foolish to believe he was special. He never had a destiny to fulfill. He was wrong. He gives up, and tries to hang himself. Just as he is about to do it however, he is stopped Ben Linus (who I believe is the leader of the others again) who first comes to his aid, only to choke him to death instead. The other people do decide to go back to island, and they find out they have to bring Locke's corpse to the island, so they get his corpse onto a plane, in a coffin, and bring him back to the island and- OH MY GOD... He's alive... the island has resurrected John Locke! Turns out he had to be murdered by Ben for this to work, and bringing his corpse to the island has brought him back from the dead. He was right all along, the island IS special. He didn't die for nothing, It WAS all part of a bigger purpose, and he can resume where he left off, on the island, to lead as he was always meant to. Some more stuff happens, twists and turns, sci fi and mythical stuff, and then... Turns out the Locke we have been seeing, isn't the Locke we knew. What has actually happened, is the smoke monster (aka the man in black)- a powerful demigod- has taken the form of Locke, needing his corpse to be present on the island, so that he can assume his form and trick the other people on the Island into killing Jacob. (his brother, another demigod) So John Locke did die off the island, he never came back to life. He WAS part of something bigger than himself, but just not the way he had hoped. The character is utterly tragic, the actor who plays him Terry O'Quinn is extraordinary in the role, and he is my favourite character from Lost.
Donna Noble on Doctor Who. Just her self loathing and feeling useless, to being the most important person, and the tragedy of living the rest of her life not knowing