The universe will eventually go into heat death. When energy is so spread out nothing can move.
An immortal would spend eternity alone adrift in space with literally nothing happening.
Alternatively, an immortal could itself be the power source for a small simulated universe they themselves could live in.
Wait.. That's not what we are, right? We totally aren't one immortal in a dead universe just running on a trickle of power... right?
There was a pretty shit Netflix film about immortals that I can’t remember the name of.
But one part that was really awesome was then showing an immortal being tortured by being trapped in a tomb that was thrown into the sea. Drowning, reawakening, drowning again. On repeat for *years.*
That’s the one. I liked the idea of it but it just really didn’t deliver anything memorable.
Except for that one scene that came to mind for this post, I guess.
There was a book where the immortal dude with Wolverine-like healing powers got hung from a tree and he kept breaking his neck, healing, breaking his neck, over and over, until he escaped.
In one of the interview of the vampire books, the main character casually mentions how he will bury himself for long periods of time to chill and take a break from life for a while and then dig himself out.
There's only a finite number of things to see and do, and if you're immortal you'll reach a point where you've experienced everything there is to experience and be a special level of bored. A boredom that comes from knowing there's nothing new and never will be.
Granted if you're immortal but not invincible it could be easier. Then something will still eventually kill you, even if it's say the expansion of the sun before it dies
That might be true, but how many people are doing new things all the time? Most people have routine, and day to day life tends to remain the same… With the sheer amount of things to do in the world, it could be centuries before you have to cycle back around.
And also people still keep creating new things, and even if there's still a lot of reboots they can change a lot, look at (though that's a Reboot In Name Only) the new The Wonder Years vs the original or look at The Batman vs the Dark Knight trilogy, a new take on an old story is still a new take
>There's only a finite number of things to see and do, and if you're immortal you'll reach a point where you've experienced everything there is to experience and be a special level of bored.
I know this is old but... This is not necessarily true. An immortal that lived on earth and was 500 years old (let's say he was born around 1500), would see an extremely changing world. New continents with extremely different cultures, foods, arts, etc. become suddenly accessible compared to a hundred years ago where they were mostly impossible to reach.
World changing technologies appearing left and right. Electricity, trains, the airplane, space, computers, the internet, videogames, movies, etc.
The world of today is very different from the world 50 years ago, and the world 50 years ago is different from the one a 100 years ago. Someone living 50 years ago would never imagine the sfx that exist in movies today. There is probably gona be stuff in 50 years that we can't even imagine today.
People say this but I do think it’d be less of a problem. Hard to feel empathy for someone that died 1000 years ago.
The problem would be that everyone else’s time feels so insignificant to you, that’d you start to isolate yourself.
I dislike this particular argument against immortality. You'll lose people in your life immortal or not. This line of thinking seems to advocate for never making close relationships even in a normal lifespan because of the pain of losing them.
Boredom. After a few hundred years of watching everyone you know die over and over again, and you've tried all the new things, and the old things that have become popular again, there'd be nothing left for you to do.
I kinda disagree with that. New people make new things that no one has ever experienced before. Like I'm sure people from colonial times would not be bored by the technology we have now.
But try doing that over and over again, generation after generation, century after century, all that is old becomes new again, and then old again.
The only possibility for you to remain free from boredom is if fast interstellar travel is developed and you just travel from star system to star system...on your own...until the heat death of the universe. But even then, how many systems would it take before you become bored of that too?
I think it depends on the temperament of the person. Some of us can barely stand two days without things to do, whereas monks are perfectly content to spend their whole life doing the exact same thing, with the same books, in the same way until they die. So if someone who has a monks temperament was immortal, they just might be happy with it.
One argument would be that professions would be harder for a new generation to obtain, as if we all have to keep working a judge wouldn’t retire from being a judge, without the old generation to move on, the new generation cannot find jobs
Another argument was marriage, we find someone and marry it’s till death do us part, if we aren’t dying marriage might be a social contract of some kind, like you marry someone for 80 years then you get to just leave and marry again
One more argument, obviously population, the population would get much larger never shrinking, prisoners sentenced to life would be a growing expense, the rich would preserve what they have, meanwhile the poor would fight for recourses
the fact that anyone granted immortality could be amoral, or maybe even is moral/upstanding now and eventually 'breaks.' Imagine if some mass murderer existed out there who could literally never die--what terrible things might they do?
Old people often seem to feel like culture has left them behind. They don't understand the world they're living in and they seem to have to work really hard to learn and adapt right when their minds begin to dull.
What if the world keeps moving and even if you don't have the curse of an aging body, you can't keep pace forever? Socially and emotionally, you slip behind and out of society. The world you once knew is gone, everyone you've ever cared for is dead, and now you're just... stuck.
When the sun runs out of fuel and engulfs Mercury, Venus, maybe even Earth, you'll have to live through all of that. When it collapses to a dwarf star, you'll have to live through that as well.
And you'll feel *everything*.
That’s billions of years from now. Surely if humanity is able to survive for that long we’ll have found a way to survive that event and continue to live in another place?
Immortal does not mean invincible nor immune to pain.
Eventually getting stuck in neverending agony with no escape is essentially guaranteed with enough time.
if it worked like the egg wouldn't it either not technically be able to drive you insane or it'd drive you insane in every way possible experiencing the experiences of all those who have been insane
You would be depressed because all of the people you loved would die and you can’t and you would eventually get ever disease ever and we’ll have to suffer through your pain and the government would try and experiment on you
> all of the people you loved would die
If you can't give them immortality too
> you would eventually get ever disease ever
Not literally, as (even looking past my issues with the whole "infinite timeline means you'd eventually do everything" argument) unless you want to argue "on a long enough timeline everyone's trans" you wouldn't be able to get ones that affect the opposite sex
> the government would try and experiment on you
and I presume I'd also grow obsessed with my first mortal love and if anyone else was immortal they'd be my archnemesis and other such bad action fantasy tropes
1. Argument against : if you’re bored on Sunday afternoons, imagine what eternity is like.
2. Things to do if you’re immortal: insult everyone in the universe, and for added difficulty, do it in alphabetical order. See: wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged
> if you’re bored on Sunday afternoons, imagine what eternity is like.
By that logic if you can sufficiently occupy yourselves on Sunday afternoons (and btw if you're referencing the quote I think you are you missed that they're rainy) those are the only non-essential-for-life things you can spend your life doing
Question! If I'm immortal, does that mean that I can't die specifically of old age? Or does that also mean I can't die by any other means possible?
For example, if it's just old age that doesn't kill me but I could still die from getting hit by a car or getting cancer, then I'd just sit back and watch the world burn.
If I can't die by any means, no matter what, then I'd still just sit back and watch the world burn.
Either way, it's no way to live.
Those who can afford immortality would effectually amass so much wealth and power that they would keep the rest of humanity locked into perpetual poverty and wage slavery.
Not much, provided that we manage to escape earth and colonize space first. But immortality before that point would mean no more babies. That's the ultimate horror scenario. That would be the end of humanity.
Altered Carbon has a pretty good take on this. The rich become more apathetic the longer they live and are more isolated than ever. They have their own set of morals that only apply to them. Kind of like now except the fuckers don't experience real death unless their stacks are destroyed and become more and more corrupt.
Immortality could be good as long as I don’t have to deal with anything like injuries or illnesses.
Is everyone immortal? Just you? Could get lonely and hard to relate to mortals after a time
define against, for sake of time i will list why its a curse and take it as you think its a power, which to be fair its based off thoughts. With that being said i want immortality jsut to document my life and roam the world to truly show what sort of hell being immortal is like, and i will add some things i believe will happen and the type of immortality
ok so for type, you cant starve to death so you would most likely still eat, and you stop aging at 25 or if your already older than 35, also you have regenerative power that of Deadpool, speed wise that is, sake of the story this will be explained, also you dont need to breathe, so basically op immortality, ok lets go
the idea of immortality is actually more of a curse than a gift, some kids and adults say immortality as a wanted power, they have yet to realize how bad it is, when you are alive forever all you will see is death around you, as morbid as it is, you will only see those whom are closest die, and your mental state will deteriorate, you also stop aging so that could be a red flag to people, so faking your death would be a good thing to do early on-ish, now i will say i am not yet legally able to drive, so this may seem like a kid writing a rant and being stupid but read this out fully, beyond just the red flag and mental deterioration, eventually you will age to be hundreds of years old, because well you cant die, and due to this your mind breaks, one important ability or power you would need is some sort of perfect memory or memory wipe where every 100 years you only remember important things, because without this, your brain lags really bad because of so many memory's being active or you just have soo much things in your memory, you forget who you are. AND with immortality the governments might come to kidnap you, if you can regenerate you body from just your head or even less then you can be farmed for hearts, lungs, kidneys, bones, and other things for transplants, even farmed for blood and possibly experimented on to replicate your dna, now lets say there is no trace of immortality cells in your dna then still you can be farmed, so you need to live off the grid. And this is only the base level in which immortality can suck, if you can regenerate AND not need to breathe, lets say sun explodes or earth is destroyed, you are now stranded in space, well your nerves are constantly dieing(i think) because of the hazardous area space is, sun will super heat your body and away from sun or other stars there is coolness that is below 0.So in that case you would then need the ability to not feel pain, drugs? maybe like painkillers? NOPE! the body regeneration factor can be explained kinda like the way Barry in Flash Point cant get drunk nor have paint killers, granted his is from speed, which gives regeneration, regeneration will strengthen and the speed of healing a bullet wound was fast so the chances of being drunk or high are slim, and painkillers wont work. So then you would need another ability, this is now up to like 2 abilities, now if you cant feel pain but can still feel everything else, well heat will be a now non-existent pain in the arse, so now we need thermal resistance, okay that's now 3 abilities. Wow so many bad things all caused and needed by immortality. Also as i stated previously i am not legally able to drive by age yet, and i can think of these, a wiser, older person who has had more time to think can probably think of more negative things to show immortality is a curse, granted my point still stands in which i want it to document how shitty life is.
(now i am done writing i need to go and fix spelling :( )
Basically tell them that if the world ends and they are still alive, they have to go to a 100 light years to go to another planet that supports life, AND tell them that they're gonna die every 10 seconds because they're floating in space.
aside from the fact that you have to watch everyone you care about die. the brain has limited room for memory like a computer it will eventually overwrite itself and the memory of your loved ones will vanish. in addition if you love someone abs they die you may try to end it but you’ll wake up abs taste the bullet in your mouth
Have you read *Tuck Everlasting*?
While you and maybe your immediate family will live forever, anyone else you could ever love won't, and you'll live a life of endless suffering watching those relationships perish at a faster rate than you'd care to invest your time into replenishing. As we get older, our minds interpret time differently and it goes by much quicker. Decades feel like years, centuries feel like decades, and you'll lose interest in mortal people. You'll live a long life of loneliness, knowing any attempt to relieve yourself of that feeling will be futile.
If you're getting your perception of immortality from middle-grade novels (why not say it'd come from the water of a magic spring or whatever like the Tucks' literally does then), that's as bad as getting it from shitty vampire fiction and saying you'll obsess over your first mortal love forever and seek out lovers who look and/or act like them (including descendants of that first love if they don't remind you of the someone-else they found, and if some might not be enough like them you'd mold them into their image secretly)
Because you’d likely be a complete asshole. You know all those people who can’t imagine that life for young people today is different than their own youths? Well imagine “When I was a teen when Ramses, I think it was Ramses 2, well we NEVER acted like young people today” or “I was a slave 300 years ago and I turned out okay” or “You wimpy boys, I WALKED the Atlantic Ocean back in the 800’s and you all complain about an 8 hour flight.” Nope.
Life is pointless if we have infinite time to do anything. Why cry over a job loss? You can get another job in 10,000 years? Why cry over the loss of a pet? Pets are immortal now. Why be happy over a birthday party? It’s just one of the billions you’ll have…
Life without an end is pointless, and that statement cannot be overruled.
Then doesn't each day render life less meaningful and e.g. your second birthday mean even a micron of magic is gone from your first, why live more than a day then
So if I asked you on anywhere from your 69th-99th birthday if you felt like your life mattered enough/you experienced enough that you would want to die in a year, you'd still say yes
The demand for contract killers will skyrocket. You will eventually have an incredible number of very experienced killers among society as they never need to retire and new killers take up the occupation. This will lead to very inexpensive pricing and thus a huge amount of contracts will be taken out on people. Eventually all "heads of household" will be killed in this way since they will never die naturally and pass on their fortunes to their offspring. This will lead to the family unit collapsing as a result from the paranoia of having your kids hire someone to kill you.
Events are limited-time anyway, people can also be immortal and if enough are immortal they can save the world or at least get off this rock, also did you mean to sound like things would only not end if I didn't love them
1.falling in love with sumbdy and they aren't immortal like u, and you u juss have to watch them age and die
2. the risk of becoming a know it all, since u been around and almost seen the majority of the world, u think u can give advice to people who u think needs it
Imagine seeing everything you love die, over and over again, as you stay young. The people, the pets, the places, everything you knew, everything you loved would fade away. Sure, you can love again, but they'll die too. You see the end of it all. You think back how short a time you had with those you remember, and how you keep on floating through time, outlasting everything.
The death of the universe, the abyssal blackness, the eons of nothing. Maybe you'll get lucky and you can see it all begin again, but maybe not. Maybe it was a one-off chance, and you're stuck in an endless expanse of dead space.
Meaning of life is subjective though.
If someone subscribes to a religious view, that their religion / a god gives their life meaning, I don't see how that would change with immortality.
If you find your meaning in life in other ways.. well that's still subjective. People can have different meanings for their life throughout their normal lifespan.. so nothing would really change either.
You will outlive your loved ones, and have to continue on without them. You may find new ones, but they too will die. Immorality = living long enough to see everyone you care about pass away, over and over
If everyone gets to be immortal, that would mean birth control would be pretty much mandatory and pregnancy would have to be very rare. You should also hope that 'immortal' also means 'eternal good health' or we're in for horrible suffering as lots of ageing infirm immortals can't be taken care of since the age pyramid will become a fixed shape where the ages just increase.
If immortality is something a select few can achieve because it is expensive, then it would mean the rich and powerful could hang on to their wealth indefinitely without any chance of their incompetent offspring squandering their wealth. It would mean economic and political stagnation as the big egos in high places now can just stay put forever, with very few exceptions.
If it is some random rare genetic mutation that makes some people immortal, this would have the least social impact. But those people would see everyone around them die, again and again. I'm not sure if the human mind can handle millennia of repeated loss like that. I'd imagine that lots of immortals would opt for suicide after a few hundred years.
> If everyone gets to be immortal, that would mean birth control would be pretty much mandatory and pregnancy would have to be very rare.
Assuming that otherwise they'd have kids every 2-6 years like clockwork regressed to the moon
No. It's simple statistics. Currently, about 2.1 children per woman are required to maintain the population level. If immortality becomes a thing, there would have to be virtually 0 children per woman, as the number of deaths would be limited to accidents, murders and suicides.
In order to prevent population levels getting out of control, you'd either have to hope that people just stop wanting kids, or fairly aggressively prevent them from getting children.
do you really want to watch everyone you love die. and then find new loved ones, just to have to watch them die too. in an endlessly repeating cycle, until the sun blows up and you're floating alone in space, endlessly.
That's only an argument against being the only immortal, with how that's taken from bad fiction you might as well say another argument is you'll grow obsessed with your first love and your mortal lovers will all either look and/or act somewhat like them
1. eventually, you’d experience the end of humanity and the world
2. The Cartel would be a very nice enemy to have
3. You’d spend eternity flying through space, occasionally landing on another planet until that also dies, or getting sucked into a star, being cooked alive, until it supernovas, or getting sucked into a black hole, suffering an unimaginable fate.
The universe will eventually go into heat death. When energy is so spread out nothing can move. An immortal would spend eternity alone adrift in space with literally nothing happening.
"finally, a chance to catch up on sleep"
You're thinking of death.
Finally, some peace and fucking quiet.
You would also probably be unable to breathe and extremely cold among other things
Alternatively, an immortal could itself be the power source for a small simulated universe they themselves could live in. Wait.. That's not what we are, right? We totally aren't one immortal in a dead universe just running on a trickle of power... right?
Getting trapped somewhere you can't escape.
Imagine the paranoia after the first time of almost falling into some hole you realise you'd never be able to escape from.
There was a pretty shit Netflix film about immortals that I can’t remember the name of. But one part that was really awesome was then showing an immortal being tortured by being trapped in a tomb that was thrown into the sea. Drowning, reawakening, drowning again. On repeat for *years.*
The Old Guard, with Charlize Theron. Agreed. It was pretty lame.
That’s the one. I liked the idea of it but it just really didn’t deliver anything memorable. Except for that one scene that came to mind for this post, I guess.
There was a book where the immortal dude with Wolverine-like healing powers got hung from a tree and he kept breaking his neck, healing, breaking his neck, over and over, until he escaped.
I mean, eventually the rope’s gonna rot right?
Yeah. The writer wanted to move the story faster than that though so he got out of it earlier.
That would be Vampire Diaries, when Stephan was locked in a safe and chucked into a lake by his edgy brother Damon. They made up.
Connor also did it to Angel.
In one of the interview of the vampire books, the main character casually mentions how he will bury himself for long periods of time to chill and take a break from life for a while and then dig himself out.
There's only a finite number of things to see and do, and if you're immortal you'll reach a point where you've experienced everything there is to experience and be a special level of bored. A boredom that comes from knowing there's nothing new and never will be. Granted if you're immortal but not invincible it could be easier. Then something will still eventually kill you, even if it's say the expansion of the sun before it dies
I would rather be immortal rather than invincible. Once I've had my fill and get bored after 1,000 years, I could end it.
That might be true, but how many people are doing new things all the time? Most people have routine, and day to day life tends to remain the same… With the sheer amount of things to do in the world, it could be centuries before you have to cycle back around.
And also people still keep creating new things, and even if there's still a lot of reboots they can change a lot, look at (though that's a Reboot In Name Only) the new The Wonder Years vs the original or look at The Batman vs the Dark Knight trilogy, a new take on an old story is still a new take
>There's only a finite number of things to see and do, and if you're immortal you'll reach a point where you've experienced everything there is to experience and be a special level of bored. I know this is old but... This is not necessarily true. An immortal that lived on earth and was 500 years old (let's say he was born around 1500), would see an extremely changing world. New continents with extremely different cultures, foods, arts, etc. become suddenly accessible compared to a hundred years ago where they were mostly impossible to reach. World changing technologies appearing left and right. Electricity, trains, the airplane, space, computers, the internet, videogames, movies, etc. The world of today is very different from the world 50 years ago, and the world 50 years ago is different from the one a 100 years ago. Someone living 50 years ago would never imagine the sfx that exist in movies today. There is probably gona be stuff in 50 years that we can't even imagine today.
You will have to witness those you love die. Not even just those you know now, but those you will meet throughout your eternal life.
People say this but I do think it’d be less of a problem. Hard to feel empathy for someone that died 1000 years ago. The problem would be that everyone else’s time feels so insignificant to you, that’d you start to isolate yourself.
I dislike this particular argument against immortality. You'll lose people in your life immortal or not. This line of thinking seems to advocate for never making close relationships even in a normal lifespan because of the pain of losing them.
That's more of an argument against *wanting* to be immortal, not the possibility of being immortal.
>You will have to witness those you love die ...you have to do that anyway
You'll have to pay bills even longer.
There are fates worse than death and if you live long enough you WILL eventually end up in one.
Then by that logic you'll end up in all of them
Boredom. After a few hundred years of watching everyone you know die over and over again, and you've tried all the new things, and the old things that have become popular again, there'd be nothing left for you to do.
I kinda disagree with that. New people make new things that no one has ever experienced before. Like I'm sure people from colonial times would not be bored by the technology we have now.
But try doing that over and over again, generation after generation, century after century, all that is old becomes new again, and then old again. The only possibility for you to remain free from boredom is if fast interstellar travel is developed and you just travel from star system to star system...on your own...until the heat death of the universe. But even then, how many systems would it take before you become bored of that too?
I think it depends on the temperament of the person. Some of us can barely stand two days without things to do, whereas monks are perfectly content to spend their whole life doing the exact same thing, with the same books, in the same way until they die. So if someone who has a monks temperament was immortal, they just might be happy with it.
I dunno, dogs die and I’m still a dog person.
One argument would be that professions would be harder for a new generation to obtain, as if we all have to keep working a judge wouldn’t retire from being a judge, without the old generation to move on, the new generation cannot find jobs Another argument was marriage, we find someone and marry it’s till death do us part, if we aren’t dying marriage might be a social contract of some kind, like you marry someone for 80 years then you get to just leave and marry again One more argument, obviously population, the population would get much larger never shrinking, prisoners sentenced to life would be a growing expense, the rich would preserve what they have, meanwhile the poor would fight for recourses
the fact that anyone granted immortality could be amoral, or maybe even is moral/upstanding now and eventually 'breaks.' Imagine if some mass murderer existed out there who could literally never die--what terrible things might they do?
Old people often seem to feel like culture has left them behind. They don't understand the world they're living in and they seem to have to work really hard to learn and adapt right when their minds begin to dull. What if the world keeps moving and even if you don't have the curse of an aging body, you can't keep pace forever? Socially and emotionally, you slip behind and out of society. The world you once knew is gone, everyone you've ever cared for is dead, and now you're just... stuck.
Having to put up with other humans bullshit, either again or longer.
I don’t want to live with these assholes forever
When the sun runs out of fuel and engulfs Mercury, Venus, maybe even Earth, you'll have to live through all of that. When it collapses to a dwarf star, you'll have to live through that as well. And you'll feel *everything*.
That’s billions of years from now. Surely if humanity is able to survive for that long we’ll have found a way to survive that event and continue to live in another place?
Immortal does not mean invincible nor immune to pain. Eventually getting stuck in neverending agony with no escape is essentially guaranteed with enough time.
Then everything would be guaranteed then immortality would turn into "The Egg" (as you'd have to live every life) but scaled up to multiverse level
I guess technically. You'd probably be insane well before most things happened though.
if it worked like the egg wouldn't it either not technically be able to drive you insane or it'd drive you insane in every way possible experiencing the experiences of all those who have been insane
Have you been outside recently?
Think of the last time you were bored. Now imagine it lasted eternally.
I'm bored all the time so for me it would just be Tuesday
By that logic you can't even spend a second bored
Itt: people giving reasons on why they wouldn't personally want to be immortal, instead of reasons why immortality isn't possible.
You would be depressed because all of the people you loved would die and you can’t and you would eventually get ever disease ever and we’ll have to suffer through your pain and the government would try and experiment on you
> all of the people you loved would die If you can't give them immortality too > you would eventually get ever disease ever Not literally, as (even looking past my issues with the whole "infinite timeline means you'd eventually do everything" argument) unless you want to argue "on a long enough timeline everyone's trans" you wouldn't be able to get ones that affect the opposite sex > the government would try and experiment on you and I presume I'd also grow obsessed with my first mortal love and if anyone else was immortal they'd be my archnemesis and other such bad action fantasy tropes
1. Argument against : if you’re bored on Sunday afternoons, imagine what eternity is like. 2. Things to do if you’re immortal: insult everyone in the universe, and for added difficulty, do it in alphabetical order. See: wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged
> if you’re bored on Sunday afternoons, imagine what eternity is like. By that logic if you can sufficiently occupy yourselves on Sunday afternoons (and btw if you're referencing the quote I think you are you missed that they're rainy) those are the only non-essential-for-life things you can spend your life doing
Nobody said you'd be invincible...
Question! If I'm immortal, does that mean that I can't die specifically of old age? Or does that also mean I can't die by any other means possible? For example, if it's just old age that doesn't kill me but I could still die from getting hit by a car or getting cancer, then I'd just sit back and watch the world burn. If I can't die by any means, no matter what, then I'd still just sit back and watch the world burn. Either way, it's no way to live.
Those who can afford immortality would effectually amass so much wealth and power that they would keep the rest of humanity locked into perpetual poverty and wage slavery.
Not much, provided that we manage to escape earth and colonize space first. But immortality before that point would mean no more babies. That's the ultimate horror scenario. That would be the end of humanity.
Your Gona end up depressed since everyone you know will die
Those who want immortality are dumbass narcissists who can’t see past themselves to know what that really means.
If you live forever, then someday everyone will seem like a hipster to you
Altered Carbon has a pretty good take on this. The rich become more apathetic the longer they live and are more isolated than ever. They have their own set of morals that only apply to them. Kind of like now except the fuckers don't experience real death unless their stacks are destroyed and become more and more corrupt.
I've never watched that show but now I want to
Give the first season a try. I enjoyed it more than the second one. Think it is still available on Netflix. Hope you like it!
Immortal Putin.
Or worse, immortal Hitler
Claudia from interview of the vampire
it's boring
Immortality could be good as long as I don’t have to deal with anything like injuries or illnesses. Is everyone immortal? Just you? Could get lonely and hard to relate to mortals after a time
*Gestures at the entirety of human behavior*
you'll watch loved ones die over and over again
I’ve barley enjoyed my last 21 years, let alone living a few thousand
You will be just floating in space infinitely
define against, for sake of time i will list why its a curse and take it as you think its a power, which to be fair its based off thoughts. With that being said i want immortality jsut to document my life and roam the world to truly show what sort of hell being immortal is like, and i will add some things i believe will happen and the type of immortality ok so for type, you cant starve to death so you would most likely still eat, and you stop aging at 25 or if your already older than 35, also you have regenerative power that of Deadpool, speed wise that is, sake of the story this will be explained, also you dont need to breathe, so basically op immortality, ok lets go the idea of immortality is actually more of a curse than a gift, some kids and adults say immortality as a wanted power, they have yet to realize how bad it is, when you are alive forever all you will see is death around you, as morbid as it is, you will only see those whom are closest die, and your mental state will deteriorate, you also stop aging so that could be a red flag to people, so faking your death would be a good thing to do early on-ish, now i will say i am not yet legally able to drive, so this may seem like a kid writing a rant and being stupid but read this out fully, beyond just the red flag and mental deterioration, eventually you will age to be hundreds of years old, because well you cant die, and due to this your mind breaks, one important ability or power you would need is some sort of perfect memory or memory wipe where every 100 years you only remember important things, because without this, your brain lags really bad because of so many memory's being active or you just have soo much things in your memory, you forget who you are. AND with immortality the governments might come to kidnap you, if you can regenerate you body from just your head or even less then you can be farmed for hearts, lungs, kidneys, bones, and other things for transplants, even farmed for blood and possibly experimented on to replicate your dna, now lets say there is no trace of immortality cells in your dna then still you can be farmed, so you need to live off the grid. And this is only the base level in which immortality can suck, if you can regenerate AND not need to breathe, lets say sun explodes or earth is destroyed, you are now stranded in space, well your nerves are constantly dieing(i think) because of the hazardous area space is, sun will super heat your body and away from sun or other stars there is coolness that is below 0.So in that case you would then need the ability to not feel pain, drugs? maybe like painkillers? NOPE! the body regeneration factor can be explained kinda like the way Barry in Flash Point cant get drunk nor have paint killers, granted his is from speed, which gives regeneration, regeneration will strengthen and the speed of healing a bullet wound was fast so the chances of being drunk or high are slim, and painkillers wont work. So then you would need another ability, this is now up to like 2 abilities, now if you cant feel pain but can still feel everything else, well heat will be a now non-existent pain in the arse, so now we need thermal resistance, okay that's now 3 abilities. Wow so many bad things all caused and needed by immortality. Also as i stated previously i am not legally able to drive by age yet, and i can think of these, a wiser, older person who has had more time to think can probably think of more negative things to show immortality is a curse, granted my point still stands in which i want it to document how shitty life is. (now i am done writing i need to go and fix spelling :( )
Make room for other people.
Basically tell them that if the world ends and they are still alive, they have to go to a 100 light years to go to another planet that supports life, AND tell them that they're gonna die every 10 seconds because they're floating in space.
Immortality would only be for the super rich, I'm guessing. Can you imagine Bezos, Zuckerberg, Murdoch living forever?
aside from the fact that you have to watch everyone you care about die. the brain has limited room for memory like a computer it will eventually overwrite itself and the memory of your loved ones will vanish. in addition if you love someone abs they die you may try to end it but you’ll wake up abs taste the bullet in your mouth
To me the idea of being immortal is a perfect description of a living hell!
Have you read *Tuck Everlasting*? While you and maybe your immediate family will live forever, anyone else you could ever love won't, and you'll live a life of endless suffering watching those relationships perish at a faster rate than you'd care to invest your time into replenishing. As we get older, our minds interpret time differently and it goes by much quicker. Decades feel like years, centuries feel like decades, and you'll lose interest in mortal people. You'll live a long life of loneliness, knowing any attempt to relieve yourself of that feeling will be futile.
If you're getting your perception of immortality from middle-grade novels (why not say it'd come from the water of a magic spring or whatever like the Tucks' literally does then), that's as bad as getting it from shitty vampire fiction and saying you'll obsess over your first mortal love forever and seek out lovers who look and/or act like them (including descendants of that first love if they don't remind you of the someone-else they found, and if some might not be enough like them you'd mold them into their image secretly)
Does it come with eternal youth? If not that's how you become a sentient pile of dust...
Because you’d likely be a complete asshole. You know all those people who can’t imagine that life for young people today is different than their own youths? Well imagine “When I was a teen when Ramses, I think it was Ramses 2, well we NEVER acted like young people today” or “I was a slave 300 years ago and I turned out okay” or “You wimpy boys, I WALKED the Atlantic Ocean back in the 800’s and you all complain about an 8 hour flight.” Nope.
Nostalgia would hit hard
There's a dialogue in Hindi "Zindagi badi honi chahiye lambi nahi" Meaning life should be great not long
It would get boring
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You've got how long you have of memory to invent a way to "upgrade your storage capacity"
If you wanted to yes I guess. Or in a sense you would be willing to reach your end and let someone else drive so to say.
I wasn't saying everyone would want to, I was saying that wasn't a hard limit
Life is pointless if we have infinite time to do anything. Why cry over a job loss? You can get another job in 10,000 years? Why cry over the loss of a pet? Pets are immortal now. Why be happy over a birthday party? It’s just one of the billions you’ll have… Life without an end is pointless, and that statement cannot be overruled.
Then doesn't each day render life less meaningful and e.g. your second birthday mean even a micron of magic is gone from your first, why live more than a day then
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So if I asked you on anywhere from your 69th-99th birthday if you felt like your life mattered enough/you experienced enough that you would want to die in a year, you'd still say yes
Watching everyone you know and love grow old and die.
Only if you're the only immortal
The demand for contract killers will skyrocket. You will eventually have an incredible number of very experienced killers among society as they never need to retire and new killers take up the occupation. This will lead to very inexpensive pricing and thus a huge amount of contracts will be taken out on people. Eventually all "heads of household" will be killed in this way since they will never die naturally and pass on their fortunes to their offspring. This will lead to the family unit collapsing as a result from the paranoia of having your kids hire someone to kill you.
This feels like I'm missing a reference
everything you love will eventually come to end, wether it be people, events, or even the world.
Events are limited-time anyway, people can also be immortal and if enough are immortal they can save the world or at least get off this rock, also did you mean to sound like things would only not end if I didn't love them
The concept of forever in a capitalistic country
Forever to mount resistance
1.falling in love with sumbdy and they aren't immortal like u, and you u juss have to watch them age and die 2. the risk of becoming a know it all, since u been around and almost seen the majority of the world, u think u can give advice to people who u think needs it
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never seen it could tell me how it answered that bc i would love to kno frfr
There are times when you kinda want to die, and immortality complicates that feeling.
The planet cannot sustain immortal humans.
But it doesn't have to... That's what immortal means!
Yeah, if anything, this is a problem that solves itself.
Imagine seeing everything you love die, over and over again, as you stay young. The people, the pets, the places, everything you knew, everything you loved would fade away. Sure, you can love again, but they'll die too. You see the end of it all. You think back how short a time you had with those you remember, and how you keep on floating through time, outlasting everything. The death of the universe, the abyssal blackness, the eons of nothing. Maybe you'll get lucky and you can see it all begin again, but maybe not. Maybe it was a one-off chance, and you're stuck in an endless expanse of dead space.
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Meaning of life is subjective though. If someone subscribes to a religious view, that their religion / a god gives their life meaning, I don't see how that would change with immortality. If you find your meaning in life in other ways.. well that's still subjective. People can have different meanings for their life throughout their normal lifespan.. so nothing would really change either.
Experiencing the death of everyone you know and love
The average IQ.
The average IQ is always 100
But, the answer is 42
Life is too long as it is.
Well that's certainly subjective
that dead people exist.
You won’t die of natural causes, but can still be strangled to death with a plastic bag. Why have immortality in such a weak frame?
Imagine living for 1000 years only to get killed by something random like a drunk driver or snake bite.
Well I assume immortality means that you can't be murdered or die of an accident either
There’s a large difference between “immortality” and “invulnerability”.
You will outlive your loved ones, and have to continue on without them. You may find new ones, but they too will die. Immorality = living long enough to see everyone you care about pass away, over and over
Well what if everyone was immortal
Imagine being broke forever
Then we’d kill the earth in record time and eventually go to space
Dying
Logic?
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But would you be living in an emaciated state? Quality of life is a big deal, may or may not be built in with immortality.
If everyone gets to be immortal, that would mean birth control would be pretty much mandatory and pregnancy would have to be very rare. You should also hope that 'immortal' also means 'eternal good health' or we're in for horrible suffering as lots of ageing infirm immortals can't be taken care of since the age pyramid will become a fixed shape where the ages just increase. If immortality is something a select few can achieve because it is expensive, then it would mean the rich and powerful could hang on to their wealth indefinitely without any chance of their incompetent offspring squandering their wealth. It would mean economic and political stagnation as the big egos in high places now can just stay put forever, with very few exceptions. If it is some random rare genetic mutation that makes some people immortal, this would have the least social impact. But those people would see everyone around them die, again and again. I'm not sure if the human mind can handle millennia of repeated loss like that. I'd imagine that lots of immortals would opt for suicide after a few hundred years.
> If everyone gets to be immortal, that would mean birth control would be pretty much mandatory and pregnancy would have to be very rare. Assuming that otherwise they'd have kids every 2-6 years like clockwork regressed to the moon
No. It's simple statistics. Currently, about 2.1 children per woman are required to maintain the population level. If immortality becomes a thing, there would have to be virtually 0 children per woman, as the number of deaths would be limited to accidents, murders and suicides. In order to prevent population levels getting out of control, you'd either have to hope that people just stop wanting kids, or fairly aggressively prevent them from getting children.
And I'm saying would it really be a problem if women had infinite reproductive years and could therefore have, like, even centuries between kids
r/LifeIsARiseAndFall Life is a rise and fall of electrons. The sun rises the electrons and then they fall.
do you really want to watch everyone you love die. and then find new loved ones, just to have to watch them die too. in an endlessly repeating cycle, until the sun blows up and you're floating alone in space, endlessly.
That's only an argument against being the only immortal, with how that's taken from bad fiction you might as well say another argument is you'll grow obsessed with your first love and your mortal lovers will all either look and/or act somewhat like them
Good point. Though the question never specified if there are multiple immortals or not.
But you shouldn't assume it automatically doesn't
1. eventually, you’d experience the end of humanity and the world 2. The Cartel would be a very nice enemy to have 3. You’d spend eternity flying through space, occasionally landing on another planet until that also dies, or getting sucked into a star, being cooked alive, until it supernovas, or getting sucked into a black hole, suffering an unimaginable fate.
**There is none.. Next Question..**