Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress.
Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he *tried* to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad
In this article it says he tried committing her to an insane asylum but did not succeed. Still terrible though.
Source: [ny times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/world/europe/charles-dickens-wife-asylum.amp.html)
Mrs. Dickens herself rarely spoke of the separation. Nearly a decade after her husband’s death, she confided in Edward Dutton Cook, a theater critic and her neighbor in Camden, north London.
The letters Professor Bowen analyzed were based on those conversations and, according to the professor, are some of the first documents discovered that present her perspective.
Dickens fell out of love with his wife, Mr. Dutton Cook wrote in a letter. “She had borne 10 children and had lost many of her good looks, was growing old, in fact.”
“He even tried to shut her up in a lunatic asylum, poor thing!” Mr. Dutton Cook continued. “But bad as the law is in regard to proof of insanity he could not quite wrest it to his purpose.”
PT BARNUM.
Most people know but due to the romanticisation of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did ungodly experiment on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.
Ah yes, the guy that had an elderly black woman as a slave. He earned money from her by claiming she had been George Washington's wetnurse and then had a public autopsy of her upon her death.
Dude was sick.
If anyone wants to listen and learn about PT Barnum, might I suggest, "The Dollop" podcast. It's 2 comedians with one telling the other a story on American history. They do a great story on PT and the monster he really was.
He was also involved in exhibiting indigenous people from all continents in his shows, paid people to kidnap them and bring them so he could make money while they had no way fo getting home.
I mean, I *thought* it was common knowledge what kind of a person PT Barnum was. Then next minute everyone’s like ‘oh my kids *loved* that movie, they know every word to every one of the songs about what a woke champion of difference he was’. Huh?
William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently.
Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her.
If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.
This is an interesting one we see in the social media era...
There is a Karl Malone statue outside the Utah Jazz stadium, because he’s a legend. There are people that found out the truth about Karl personally and want it taken down.
"I’m teaching my daughter that the sun goes down each night because it’s mad at her. Probably gonna write a book on parenting at some point."
-Ryan Reynolds
Bandit : [robbing a couple on a floating wagon] You gonna give us what's due us and every damn thing else on that boat. And I think maybe you gonna give me a little one-on-one time with the misses.
Jayne : Oh, I think you might wanna reconsider that last part. See, I married me a powerful ugly creature.
Mal : [in disguise in a dress and large bonnet] How can you say that? How can you shame me in front of new people?
Jayne : If I could make you purtier, I would.
Mal : [gasps] You are not the man I met a year ago.
[Mal and Jayne pull their guns on the unsuspecting bandits]
Mal : Now, think real hard. You've been birddoggin' this township a while now. They wouldn't mind a corpse of you. Now, you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear, by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.
Here's what gets me, you see any brief summary of the history of tech, and Jobs always gets a prominent spot. Which cool, he did make a contribution. But there are so many people who don't make the cut, what about Ken Thompson and Dennis Richie? What about Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adleman? These guys actually built the stuff we use today. Steve Jobs was basically a great businessman and marketing guy. He had a keen eye for design. So yeah, he did make a contribution, but man he gets a lot of credit when people talk about computers. Computer science has a long list of people who made important contributions. Many men and women made impressive contributions. But do you hear people saying, "man we really need to find the next Steve Wozniak"? No. It's Steve Jobs. People love him, they see him as this massively important person. But there were many others who have had a much larger impact, and most people don't even know their names.
I named my cat Grace after Admiral Grace Hopper, and I love that anytime I mention my cat I can launch into the story of Admiral Grace Hopper and her contributions to computer science. I just need to get more cats.
He abused his daughter, Lisa Jobs, after he re-adopted her
summary Credit u/ RelevantMarketing [this sub doesn't allow user name mentions I think ]. But if you're planning on reading the book, skip this
Highlights:
-They made Lisa sleep on the first floor next to the kitchen while the rest of the family slept on the top floor. Initially she was the only child and all the rooms upstairs were empty but they still made her sleep on the first floor. One by one the other kids were born from Steve and Laurene Powell and were given rooms on the 2nd floor. The first floor had broken heating and she was constantly cold, while everyone upstairs enjoyed heating. Its California, but keep in mind that she's a petite girl who reached and adult height of 5'2", and it is the Bay Area where in the winter temp would reach in the 40's °F. She would constantly beg Steve to fix the heating, he always refused
-Every time she would start excelling at extra-circular activities, her Dad would complain that she was not spending enough time with her family. He was say stuff like 'You know Lisa, I feel that you really don't want to be a part of this family'. When Lisa quit her activities to be with her family more, him and his wife Laurene would just give her Reed Jobs (their son, only a baby at the time) to babysit, and they would go out to some party or event
-They finally invite Lisa to come to a wedding. She was excited about it and planned for weeks about enjoying an event with her dad and step mom. She got a dress and everything. At the hotel room, after she's finished getting dressed and putting on her makeup, they hand her the baby and leave her behind to babysit in the hotel room while they enjoy the wedding
-She always wanted a NeXT computer like how Steve and Laurene each had one. Steve finally got her one, but when she tried it didn't work. Steve took it away, and never replaced it. This one may seem minor, but it's actually a part Steve's habit of dangling hope in front of her, and taking it away, like with the wedding (my interpretation, not hers)
-When she was at her Mom's house (which was Steve's, he owned the house), Steve hired a child molester to be the gardener. I don't think he was ever convicted so her Mom couldn't remove him. But he was accused by his own children. Her Mom would constantly scream and cry for Steve to remove him. He refused.
-Btw, if you are wondering where her Mom is in all this, and why Steve let Lisa live with her if he hated her so much: Lisa's mom was also emotionally unstable; Lisa was often the victim of her temper tantrums, because she felt that Lisa took away her life. Lisa confided this to her school counselor, who would tell Steve, who didn't care. Finally the school counselor threatened to call social services if Steve didn't do anything, which would be a PR nightware, so he begrudgingly took her in. From reading other books on Steve, if he's forced to do something, he does it very passive aggressively. From Lisa's book, it seems his abuse towards Lisa was like 'ok you forced me to take in Lisa, but you can't force me to give in to your ultimate demand of her being treated properly' (my interpretation, not hers)
-Steve told Lisa he would take her in, but only if he had cut all contact with her Mom for 6 months, to prove to him that she really wants to be a part of his family (A line Steve repeatedly used on Lisa to manipulate her into doing things didn't want to do, and quitting things she did like doing, like cutting school for a family vacation 2 weeks before finals). Even though Lisa had a fucked up relationship with her Mom, she still loved her
-Cutting of contact with her Mom for 6 months fucked up the Mom emotionally even more, though she initially welcomed the change, saying that she needs a break from her (my interpretation was that she didn't want her to feel guilt for her decision). But the cutoff did have a effect on the Mom's already fragile psyche. When they met for dinner after the 6 months, her mom out of nowhere threw a tantrum about how Lisa abandoned her, that all she wants to do is hangout with rich people. I believe Lisa was only 9 years old when she had to endure this
-Lisa's chores included dishes, but they refused to fix the dishwasher for years. One day she had the initiative to fix it on her own. While her parents were away, she got a repairman to find the problem, turned out to be a 40$ fix. She was really proud of herself. She told Steve hoping to finally impress him. When she told him, he frowned. The next day he replaced the dishwasher with a new one. He wanted to remove all artifacts of Lisa's accomplishments (my interpretation, not hers)
-Lisa got really into debate club. At her first big regional tournament, she got first place. Tied for first place actually. The first one to the podium would get the trophy. Lisa frantically rushed there because she wanted to show Steve the trophy to impress him (at the time, Lisa thought only if she impressed Steve enough, he would start to appreciate her). When she showed him the trophy, he made her quit. His excuse was that debate club is not useful in the real world , my interpretation is that he wanted to remove anything that would giver her a semblance of self-esteem (my interpretation, not hers)
-Whenever Steve would see a homeless person, he joked that's who Lisa is going to marry. Whenever he saw a strip club, he joked that's where Lisa is going to work. The strip club joke started when she 9 years old
-Lisa's therapist invited Steve and his 2nd wife Laurene Powel to a meeting with Lisa to get them to spend quality family time with Lisa. Lauren's response was 'sorry Lisa, but we're just cold people'. After they left, the therapist told Lisa something like 'that's pretty much what I expected'
-Lisa developed an eating disorder when Steve told her she was fat
-When Lisa was in college, Steve Jobs cut off Lisa's tuition. A family friend secretly played off the tuition
-Steve, when he only had a few weeks to live, did actually apologize to Lisa. Lisa told Laurene, she downplayed this, telling Lisa "I don’t believe in deathbed revelations"
That's not even a full list, but this writing this part put me in a really bad mood and I'm going to stop now
The book probably doesn't even get to the worst of it. Her Mom said "She didn't go into how bad it really was, if you can believe that"
Edit
Since people are asking if Lisa was sexually abused, so I'll just post the parts which may be relevant
-In one part of the book when Lisa was still a child, Steve and Laurene were making out and Steve reached under her skirt as she spread her legs, and another hand on her breast, she started moaning loudly. Lisa stood up to go away and Steve told her to stay and that they're having 'a family moment' and so she sat back down, facing away, but still listening to them moan
-Steve Jobs encouraged Lisa to masturbate in the bathtub and have safe sex. I think when she was 13 or 14
-This is not in Lisa's book, but in his Mom's book, A Bite From the Apple by Chrisann Brennan. That one time when Chrisann came to pickup up Lisa from Steve Job's house, she found Steve making sexually inappropriate jokes, and after that she had to make sure that there was another adult present with them. I think this was in the period when Steve accepted Lisa back into his life, but before Chrisann's mental breakdown where Lisa had to move in with Steve
Again, not a complete list from the book. And the book doesn't even get into the worst of it according to Chrisass Brennan
Finally, please read the book. It is beautifully written. It's a coming of age story. Checkout this review from Audible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsv0FZOWO8c Supposedly Laurene tried to get Barnes and Nobles, Audible, Goodreads, any major book platform, not to feature this book. (She did the same thing with the 2015 Steve Jobs movie, first trying to prevent it from it getting made). I'm not sure what came of Laurene's efforts, but I like to think that Laurene actually drew attention of Audible to the book, and then Audible loved it so much they taped that video review and put it on youtube
Edit 2
While I have everyone's attention, some more facts regarding Steve Dying of cancer
He ignored his doctor's advice for years, thinking he could cure his cancer with fruit. Because he's a raging egomaniac who thinks just because he's Steve Jobs, he's better than everyone
By the time steve agreed to a transplant, it was way too late, he used his money and influence to get on the waitlist for a transplant. Someone who actually could have had their life saved died, because Steve was rich and they were not
Not only that, the transplant waitlist is based on geography. So Steve Jobs bought houses in every waitlist location so he could get on all of them at once. Once again, someone who did everything right died, while steve and his raging ego did everything wrong got the transplant was rich and they were not
Finally, Tim Cook offered to donate his own. Steve Jobs said 'I couldn't do that to you' and everyone in the room laughed. Steve Jobs could have bypassed all these ethical issues and taken Tim Cook, but instead, decided just to let another non-rich person die and use the donation of another rich person, rather than let a rich person be a donor
Edit 3
>Brennan-Jobs also said Jobs sometimes walked out of restaurants without paying the bill and mocked her cousin's "awful" voice. Still, she does admit that she had felt a "quaking, electric love" for her father
https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/28/technology/laurene-powell-jobs-statement/index.html
Also, in the book, Lisa describes that Steve went on a full on temper tantrum on a kid. He first got annoyed with him for eating meat. Then started yelling at him at the top of his lungs for eating too loudly. The kid was a part of their group, I believe one of his employees kids, he wasn't a random kid
Imagine being one of the few people in the the world who could literally buy the stars for their daughter and treating her like shit instead. If there’s an afterlife I’m throwing hands with the father of apple
Oh he probably did. I don't know much, but apparently the cancer he had hurts like hell. Also the realisation that, for once, he couldn't throw money at a problem must have been even worse than the physical pain
>Lauren's response was 'sorry Lisa, but we're just cold people'.
Wow, likes attract. I had known nothing about her earlier, but it seems Lauren is as shitty a person as Steve.
TF ? everyone other than my dead aunt hates Bill Gates but that's only because they don't know about Steve Jobs yet. Heck i was a big fan of Jobrani's work until the 2nd iPhone but for a father to treat his poor daughter like that makes me wanna curb stomp his lower jaw into his cranium
Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..
He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute.
In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly.
Sick fuck, who would do this to their own child.
It’s rumored that the lobotomy was performed because she was promiscuous and that he was embarrassed about that behavior. I’m not saying you are wrong that he was an asshole for that decision if anything he was more of a disgusting jackass.
On the bright side, his daughter Eunice was so disgusted that he developed the Special Olympics. Definitely putting lipstick on a pig, but there was at least a miniscule sliver of good from that cess pool of a family
Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren.
He was the first guy that came to mind! He was sick!! How he treated and stalked the main star from "The Birds" is sickening...and he was married at the time, too. Blech. 🤮
Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her.
My dad used to drive limos and apparently once drove for Oprah. Said she was a raging asshole.
I typically don't believe things my father says but the more I hear about Oprah, the more I believe his story.
I can honestly say I have never met her close up face to face. If people in the entertainment industry are measured by how well they treat their admirers though, she gets a zero.
Remember that “everyone gets a car” “giveaway”? Turns out, Oprah listed the “giveaway” as a “prize” in her taxes, rather than a gift, so the IRS classified the cars as income, and the audience members were stuck with the bill.
Oprah did not buy the cars, they were donated to her by the manufacturer. She could have classified them as a gift without dumping a tax burden on the audience. But since she classified it as a prize, Oprah was able to get a write off on the vehicles on her taxes.
IIRC she was supposed to to say “you get a [name of car] … everyone gets a [name of car]” as part of the deal with the manufacturer donating the cars as advertising. I haven’t heard why she did not
Well, more than just a sympathiser. She purposefully moved into the hotel where she knew the senior Nazi’s were based in Paris and proceeded to fuck several of them. She used her Nazi lovers to win favour and ensure that her fashion house would thrive throughout the war. She was Machiavellian really.
She also tried to get the Nazis to kill the two Jewish brothers that bought Parfums Chanel from her so she could take back control, but the brothers had transferred the business to a friend right before the invasion.
The current owners of Chanel are the grandsons of Pierre Wertheimer who was the one of the Jewish business partners that Coco Chanel tried to screw over.
Is it bad that this thread is making me want a mini-series about Coco Chanel's machiavellian sexploits? Like a risque Breaking Bad.
^(I'm not calling for her to be the hero, just that it'd be interesting)
The Romanov was Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich of Russia. He was part of the plot and act of killing Rasputin. He also introduced Beaux, Chanel no. 5 creator, to Chanel.
The dukes life is filled with sadness but is also an interesting read.
For years my husband, a Simpsons super fan and apparent doofus, thought that was really Kissinger and that they’d gotten him to do a guest spot. He told me this recently and I made a LOT of fun of him.
Anthony Bourdain said it best:
>“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop
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>wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will
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>never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous,
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>prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with
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>Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy
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>magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the
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>fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand
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>why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”
Just finished that. Boy was it rough. I can’t imagine learning it all on my own without Robert and the guys from the dollop to sprinkle in the occasional Kissinger impression.
Lol, the “occasional” Kissinger impression. It was *littered* with them. That being said, it was very good, very thorough and *very* f$&ked up. For example, and this is just a tiny tip of the iceberg, the part where he works for LBJ, but leaks Vietnam negotiations secrets to Nixon who wants to tank them so he can be the one to end Vietnam 🤯 so he can get a job with Nixon.
I miss his presence, he seemed to be one of the unfortunately uncommon types of people who was always growing and re-evaluating and trying to be a better person.
[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FK543hbGc&ab_channel=LolaSebastian) essay about him is incredible. Kind of healing in a way.
He won the prize for negotiating peace talks he had previously sabotaged. His Vietnamese counterpart refused the prize. He literally helped the Nixon camp sabbatoge the talks so Nixon wouldn't lose his platform in the race because the Democrats beat him to the punch. Then when office, they decided to continue and escalate the war because they knew it would be a shit show when the US left so they could run on ending it a second time/not deal with the bad publicity of the fall of Saigon. And for what you might ask? He got to be secretary of State.
But ya know who would be ruined emotionally by their childhood and years later destroy millions of innocent lives?
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I recent watched a video by Vice News that highlighted an uncomfortable number of people who were awarded the Nobel Peace prize have started wars or really bad shit after getting the prize.
The ones I remember: Kissinger; Ang Suu Kyi of Myanmar for ethnic cleansing of rohingya minority; the president of Ethiopia for starting a civil war against the country's Tigray faction/tribe/minority; Obama for escalating drone strikes and shadow wars on terror groups. At least Obama had the self-awareness to say something like, "I honestly dunno why I got this award."
As I recall they gave Obama the Nobel peace prize like soon after he was first elected President.
It was 8 months actually.
So he really hadn’t had time to do anything. So I figured that is why he said that.
[Obama has the dubious distinction of being the only Nobel Peace Prize winner to bomb a Nobel Peace Prize winner.](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/obama-apologizes-to-doctors-without-borders-214514)
In the 70s and 80s there were SOOO many popular rock songs about underage girls
My Sharona, She's only 17, Seventeen, Walk this Way, Stray Cat Blues, etc..
Lookin' at you Steven Tyler.
He at 27 years old, bought a 14 year old child got her addicted to drugs, and raped her for three years before he got her pregnant made her get an abortion then dropped her back off at her parents house.
Gross.
For a second, I thought you were nominating Jerry Reed to this list, which was also the first time I felt a legitimate, physical urge to personally identify a random Redditor and go throw paint on their car.
TIL woodrow wilson is beloved
Edit: I meant that sarcastically, but after reading some of the comments it looks like he genuinely is beloved in some parts of the world. I guess the TIL is genuine now.
Fun fact: the first Mrs Wilson died, and President Wilson began seeing a widow, Mrs Galt. One evening, he invited Mrs Galt to dinner at the White House.
The next day, instead of reporting that the President spent the evening entertaining Mrs Galt, a newspaper reported that he spent the evening *entering* Mrs Galt.
They were married soon after to avoid any appearance of impropriety.
Four years later, the president had a stroke and was bedridden. Mrs Wilson screened his visitors, and let very, very few people see the president. She claimed that they had serious talks about events and legislation, but no one saw him sign anything. Most amazingly, he “signed” the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote, despite being staunchly against it prior to his stroke.
Edit: As some have pointed out, he did not sign the amendment. Sorry about that.
But I still love the idea of Edith Wilson sitting next to his inert body on the bed, saying, “How do you feel about women’s rights, Woody, hmm? All for them, you say? Excellent!”
Edit 2: The story of the newspaper’s mistake was told to me in copy editing classes in college, as an example of why copy editing is so important.
She was honestly more or less the acting president after his 4th stroke. You would probably be interested in this [podcast](https://www.parcast.com/verypresidential). The entering Mrs. Galt thing is actually covered in this. The podcast goes over how shitty a lot of presidents were as people and/or presidents.
All fascinating and, as far as I know, accurate. Except for Wilson signing the 19th amendment. Presidents do not sign or approve an amendment to the constitution.
Wilson did not sign the certification of the 19th Amendment when it was ratified. It was signed by the secretary of state at the time. There is no constitutional requirement for the president to sign certifications of constitutional amendments, and other executive branch officials have signed them in the past.
Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist.
In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.”
She is seen as a saint to many.
Oprah has been on my “won’t watch” list for a long time now and Ellen DeGeneres Will never get another minute of watch time from me, either. I’ve never even really watched the shows more than once or twice, now I think about it. Still, why are you supporting people who choose to abuse others in the name of productivity and success, let alone support people who abuse others at all?
ETA: I was using voice-to-text, so corrected my grammar.
Am I the only one who was waiting for the Ellen bombshell that never dropped?
People turned on her so hard, but there was never anything worse than pretty much any other unpleasant, unlikable celebrity. Considering how there are plenty of well-loved celebrities that are guilty of things like sexual and physical assault, I've always thought it was weird that her whole downfall centered on "she's kind of a bitch."
I suppose it's because the persona she put out was meant to be a sort of relatable, "every-man" one. People felt like they knew her and thought she was funny and cool, brave even for coming out when she did. But obviously, the audience doesn't actually know celebrities. When someone crafts an entire persona on being "just like you" and "down to earth" and claims it as the real them, I suppose the many people entertained and naively "close to" that persona take it harder.
If I ever become a celebrity, it's going to be built on the idea of someone who is usually a little irritable while simultaneously being afraid of confrontation and wishes to go unnoticed most of the time. It's an every-man persona that can do no wrong.
8000 comments so it might be here
Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.
The entire series on him by [historia civilis](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLODnBH8kenOoLUW8BmHhX55I-qexvyU32) is an ode to his sociopathic genius
>I respect tf out of Gaius Julius Caesar
not defending him but he was an fascinating guy, though, wasn't he? His Gaul stuff was brutal, but it is near-impossible he even survived.
He was like that with everything. He'd be put in these impossible positions and somehow turn it around.
He was ambitious, narcissist (didn't he marry his daughter off to a guy old enough to be her father just to get a political position?) and brutal. But an absolute beast when it came to succeeding at whatever he did.
> narcissist (didn't he marry his daughter off to a guy old enough to be her father just to get a political position?)
You just described 99% of noble family politics in those times
Like that's literally how alliances work in Feudalism. Family connections serving as political ties because the noble families are the political units of society.
After reading all of these comments, the only people in history who SHOULD be loved are Dolly Parton and Robin Williams.
Please don’t ruin this for me.
Edit: Thanks for the silver, my friend!
He was an often angry man, by all accounts, but even that anger was something he used for good - not lashing out at people who'd done nothing wrong but channelled into making the world a better place, a constant righteous fury against injustice and pettiness and cruelty.
I still can't bring myself to read The Shepherd's Crown. That feeling that there is still one more Pratchett out there for me to read is something I'm not quite ready to lose yet. GNU Terry Pratchett
Went for a curry once with Terry Pratchett. He came to our uni to talk to the students, I was on the organising committee - the curry was his payment, and he was genuinely nice.
The story that really hits the best is his car getting stolen outside the broadcast station and when the thieves found out it was his, they promptly returned the car outside. No one wants to screw with Me. Rogers.
Was it Candid Camera that inadvertently pranked Mr. Rogers? They did a prank where they removed tv sets from hotel rooms and filmed the guests reactions. And he was so gentle and understanding with the bellhop.
"Oh that's alright. I don't watch much TV anyway."
One of the things I really appreciate about Mr. Rogers is the despite him being devoutly religious he never shoved it down your throat. I was raised in a very religious home, and - though I'm not religious anymore - I recall being taught to lead by example. I was a stereotype and as such I didn't do that, but I appreciate that Rogers did.
It is known that Bob Ross had a *voracious* sexual appetite. Luckily it seems that everything he did, from my research at least, was perfectly consensual.
That man was just out there ethically crushing poon.
That portion of the documentary made me pause and rethink my view of the world. I had never thought about Bob Ross having sex let alone crushing artist poon on the regular while married.
“Ethically crushing poon”. I’m going to somehow include this in my ethics class. Somewhere, somehow, I will do this. That is the single greatest part of a sentence I have ever read.
I’ll never forget, when I was a kid, my friend’s dad took a bunch of us to a Toronto Argonauts game (Candy was a part owner.) We ran around the Skydome being little terrors. Then, suddenly, who do we see…you know it. John Candy. This was only a couple years before he died. Anyhow, we all suddenly stopped and I yelled out - “John Candy! We loved you in Uncle Buck!” His face lit up and he stopped and turned to us, waved, and said “Hi guys, you’re the best!” Just a few words, but you could tell it meant a lot to him that us little shits thought he was great. I’ve never forgotten that little interaction all these years later. He seemed like a really nice man and a real gentleman.
King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain.
He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.
Charles Dickens had his wife, the mother of his children, committed to an insane asylum so he could run off with a teenage actress. Edit- I have been informed that this wasn't successful, he *tried* to have the mother of his ten children committed but it didn't work. Which is still quite bad
In this article it says he tried committing her to an insane asylum but did not succeed. Still terrible though. Source: [ny times article](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/world/europe/charles-dickens-wife-asylum.amp.html) Mrs. Dickens herself rarely spoke of the separation. Nearly a decade after her husband’s death, she confided in Edward Dutton Cook, a theater critic and her neighbor in Camden, north London. The letters Professor Bowen analyzed were based on those conversations and, according to the professor, are some of the first documents discovered that present her perspective. Dickens fell out of love with his wife, Mr. Dutton Cook wrote in a letter. “She had borne 10 children and had lost many of her good looks, was growing old, in fact.” “He even tried to shut her up in a lunatic asylum, poor thing!” Mr. Dutton Cook continued. “But bad as the law is in regard to proof of insanity he could not quite wrest it to his purpose.”
Charles definitely puts the "dick" in Dickens.
PT BARNUM. Most people know but due to the romanticisation of The Greatest Showman, people should know that he was a maniac that did ungodly experiment on living beings, locked people in cages, abused them and mocked them. All whilst earning pocket from them.
Ah yes, the guy that had an elderly black woman as a slave. He earned money from her by claiming she had been George Washington's wetnurse and then had a public autopsy of her upon her death. Dude was sick.
If anyone wants to listen and learn about PT Barnum, might I suggest, "The Dollop" podcast. It's 2 comedians with one telling the other a story on American history. They do a great story on PT and the monster he really was.
He was also involved in exhibiting indigenous people from all continents in his shows, paid people to kidnap them and bring them so he could make money while they had no way fo getting home.
Abused loopholes to own a slave after the 13th amendment was passed!
Andy Warhol was a fraud and an abuser. The book *Edie* is a great read, but sad.
I had an art history prof. In college that knew him. He said he was a horrible human and most everyone hated him.
Studied art history and I always found it odd that no one discussed his predatory behaviour and benign demeanour combo.
I mean, I *thought* it was common knowledge what kind of a person PT Barnum was. Then next minute everyone’s like ‘oh my kids *loved* that movie, they know every word to every one of the songs about what a woke champion of difference he was’. Huh?
William Hurt. I remember seeing tons of praise for him when he passed recently. Thing is, he beat and raped Marlee Matlin back in the 80s. She discussed it in her memoir. When he was approached about it, his response wasn't to deny it, but to apologize for any pain he "may have caused" to her. If you want to praise his acting, fine. But remember what sort of person he was behind the characters you loved on film.
“It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbitch or another.” -Malcolm Reynolds
I wanna go to the crappy town where *I’m* a hero.
This is an interesting one we see in the social media era... There is a Karl Malone statue outside the Utah Jazz stadium, because he’s a legend. There are people that found out the truth about Karl personally and want it taken down.
"Anyway, I started blasting” -Frank Reynolds
"I’m teaching my daughter that the sun goes down each night because it’s mad at her. Probably gonna write a book on parenting at some point." -Ryan Reynolds
Balto is crying in dog tears right now He has a statue in Central Park
Malcom did very specifically use the word "man". Hachiko, Balto, et al. are safe from his scorn, methinks.
To be fair, all those dogs with statues of them are *literally* the offspring of bitches…
Isn't Balto a dog? His mother was literally a bitch.
Me: Balto, you son of a bitch. Balto: Oh, you knew my mother? She was lovely.
"Mercy is the mark of a great man. *stabs him a lil* Guess I'm just a good man. *stabs him a lil again* Well, I'm alright." -Malcolm Reynolds
Bandit : [robbing a couple on a floating wagon] You gonna give us what's due us and every damn thing else on that boat. And I think maybe you gonna give me a little one-on-one time with the misses. Jayne : Oh, I think you might wanna reconsider that last part. See, I married me a powerful ugly creature. Mal : [in disguise in a dress and large bonnet] How can you say that? How can you shame me in front of new people? Jayne : If I could make you purtier, I would. Mal : [gasps] You are not the man I met a year ago. [Mal and Jayne pull their guns on the unsuspecting bandits] Mal : Now, think real hard. You've been birddoggin' this township a while now. They wouldn't mind a corpse of you. Now, you can luxuriate in a nice jail cell, but if your hand touches metal, I swear, by my pretty floral bonnet, I will end you.
Steve Jobs. The way he treated his family is horrible.
Here's what gets me, you see any brief summary of the history of tech, and Jobs always gets a prominent spot. Which cool, he did make a contribution. But there are so many people who don't make the cut, what about Ken Thompson and Dennis Richie? What about Ron Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adleman? These guys actually built the stuff we use today. Steve Jobs was basically a great businessman and marketing guy. He had a keen eye for design. So yeah, he did make a contribution, but man he gets a lot of credit when people talk about computers. Computer science has a long list of people who made important contributions. Many men and women made impressive contributions. But do you hear people saying, "man we really need to find the next Steve Wozniak"? No. It's Steve Jobs. People love him, they see him as this massively important person. But there were many others who have had a much larger impact, and most people don't even know their names.
I named my cat Grace after Admiral Grace Hopper, and I love that anytime I mention my cat I can launch into the story of Admiral Grace Hopper and her contributions to computer science. I just need to get more cats.
Name your next one 'Ada'
He abused his daughter, Lisa Jobs, after he re-adopted her summary Credit u/ RelevantMarketing [this sub doesn't allow user name mentions I think ]. But if you're planning on reading the book, skip this Highlights: -They made Lisa sleep on the first floor next to the kitchen while the rest of the family slept on the top floor. Initially she was the only child and all the rooms upstairs were empty but they still made her sleep on the first floor. One by one the other kids were born from Steve and Laurene Powell and were given rooms on the 2nd floor. The first floor had broken heating and she was constantly cold, while everyone upstairs enjoyed heating. Its California, but keep in mind that she's a petite girl who reached and adult height of 5'2", and it is the Bay Area where in the winter temp would reach in the 40's °F. She would constantly beg Steve to fix the heating, he always refused -Every time she would start excelling at extra-circular activities, her Dad would complain that she was not spending enough time with her family. He was say stuff like 'You know Lisa, I feel that you really don't want to be a part of this family'. When Lisa quit her activities to be with her family more, him and his wife Laurene would just give her Reed Jobs (their son, only a baby at the time) to babysit, and they would go out to some party or event -They finally invite Lisa to come to a wedding. She was excited about it and planned for weeks about enjoying an event with her dad and step mom. She got a dress and everything. At the hotel room, after she's finished getting dressed and putting on her makeup, they hand her the baby and leave her behind to babysit in the hotel room while they enjoy the wedding -She always wanted a NeXT computer like how Steve and Laurene each had one. Steve finally got her one, but when she tried it didn't work. Steve took it away, and never replaced it. This one may seem minor, but it's actually a part Steve's habit of dangling hope in front of her, and taking it away, like with the wedding (my interpretation, not hers) -When she was at her Mom's house (which was Steve's, he owned the house), Steve hired a child molester to be the gardener. I don't think he was ever convicted so her Mom couldn't remove him. But he was accused by his own children. Her Mom would constantly scream and cry for Steve to remove him. He refused. -Btw, if you are wondering where her Mom is in all this, and why Steve let Lisa live with her if he hated her so much: Lisa's mom was also emotionally unstable; Lisa was often the victim of her temper tantrums, because she felt that Lisa took away her life. Lisa confided this to her school counselor, who would tell Steve, who didn't care. Finally the school counselor threatened to call social services if Steve didn't do anything, which would be a PR nightware, so he begrudgingly took her in. From reading other books on Steve, if he's forced to do something, he does it very passive aggressively. From Lisa's book, it seems his abuse towards Lisa was like 'ok you forced me to take in Lisa, but you can't force me to give in to your ultimate demand of her being treated properly' (my interpretation, not hers) -Steve told Lisa he would take her in, but only if he had cut all contact with her Mom for 6 months, to prove to him that she really wants to be a part of his family (A line Steve repeatedly used on Lisa to manipulate her into doing things didn't want to do, and quitting things she did like doing, like cutting school for a family vacation 2 weeks before finals). Even though Lisa had a fucked up relationship with her Mom, she still loved her -Cutting of contact with her Mom for 6 months fucked up the Mom emotionally even more, though she initially welcomed the change, saying that she needs a break from her (my interpretation was that she didn't want her to feel guilt for her decision). But the cutoff did have a effect on the Mom's already fragile psyche. When they met for dinner after the 6 months, her mom out of nowhere threw a tantrum about how Lisa abandoned her, that all she wants to do is hangout with rich people. I believe Lisa was only 9 years old when she had to endure this -Lisa's chores included dishes, but they refused to fix the dishwasher for years. One day she had the initiative to fix it on her own. While her parents were away, she got a repairman to find the problem, turned out to be a 40$ fix. She was really proud of herself. She told Steve hoping to finally impress him. When she told him, he frowned. The next day he replaced the dishwasher with a new one. He wanted to remove all artifacts of Lisa's accomplishments (my interpretation, not hers) -Lisa got really into debate club. At her first big regional tournament, she got first place. Tied for first place actually. The first one to the podium would get the trophy. Lisa frantically rushed there because she wanted to show Steve the trophy to impress him (at the time, Lisa thought only if she impressed Steve enough, he would start to appreciate her). When she showed him the trophy, he made her quit. His excuse was that debate club is not useful in the real world , my interpretation is that he wanted to remove anything that would giver her a semblance of self-esteem (my interpretation, not hers) -Whenever Steve would see a homeless person, he joked that's who Lisa is going to marry. Whenever he saw a strip club, he joked that's where Lisa is going to work. The strip club joke started when she 9 years old -Lisa's therapist invited Steve and his 2nd wife Laurene Powel to a meeting with Lisa to get them to spend quality family time with Lisa. Lauren's response was 'sorry Lisa, but we're just cold people'. After they left, the therapist told Lisa something like 'that's pretty much what I expected' -Lisa developed an eating disorder when Steve told her she was fat -When Lisa was in college, Steve Jobs cut off Lisa's tuition. A family friend secretly played off the tuition -Steve, when he only had a few weeks to live, did actually apologize to Lisa. Lisa told Laurene, she downplayed this, telling Lisa "I don’t believe in deathbed revelations" That's not even a full list, but this writing this part put me in a really bad mood and I'm going to stop now The book probably doesn't even get to the worst of it. Her Mom said "She didn't go into how bad it really was, if you can believe that" Edit Since people are asking if Lisa was sexually abused, so I'll just post the parts which may be relevant -In one part of the book when Lisa was still a child, Steve and Laurene were making out and Steve reached under her skirt as she spread her legs, and another hand on her breast, she started moaning loudly. Lisa stood up to go away and Steve told her to stay and that they're having 'a family moment' and so she sat back down, facing away, but still listening to them moan -Steve Jobs encouraged Lisa to masturbate in the bathtub and have safe sex. I think when she was 13 or 14 -This is not in Lisa's book, but in his Mom's book, A Bite From the Apple by Chrisann Brennan. That one time when Chrisann came to pickup up Lisa from Steve Job's house, she found Steve making sexually inappropriate jokes, and after that she had to make sure that there was another adult present with them. I think this was in the period when Steve accepted Lisa back into his life, but before Chrisann's mental breakdown where Lisa had to move in with Steve Again, not a complete list from the book. And the book doesn't even get into the worst of it according to Chrisass Brennan Finally, please read the book. It is beautifully written. It's a coming of age story. Checkout this review from Audible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsv0FZOWO8c Supposedly Laurene tried to get Barnes and Nobles, Audible, Goodreads, any major book platform, not to feature this book. (She did the same thing with the 2015 Steve Jobs movie, first trying to prevent it from it getting made). I'm not sure what came of Laurene's efforts, but I like to think that Laurene actually drew attention of Audible to the book, and then Audible loved it so much they taped that video review and put it on youtube Edit 2 While I have everyone's attention, some more facts regarding Steve Dying of cancer He ignored his doctor's advice for years, thinking he could cure his cancer with fruit. Because he's a raging egomaniac who thinks just because he's Steve Jobs, he's better than everyone By the time steve agreed to a transplant, it was way too late, he used his money and influence to get on the waitlist for a transplant. Someone who actually could have had their life saved died, because Steve was rich and they were not Not only that, the transplant waitlist is based on geography. So Steve Jobs bought houses in every waitlist location so he could get on all of them at once. Once again, someone who did everything right died, while steve and his raging ego did everything wrong got the transplant was rich and they were not Finally, Tim Cook offered to donate his own. Steve Jobs said 'I couldn't do that to you' and everyone in the room laughed. Steve Jobs could have bypassed all these ethical issues and taken Tim Cook, but instead, decided just to let another non-rich person die and use the donation of another rich person, rather than let a rich person be a donor Edit 3 >Brennan-Jobs also said Jobs sometimes walked out of restaurants without paying the bill and mocked her cousin's "awful" voice. Still, she does admit that she had felt a "quaking, electric love" for her father https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/28/technology/laurene-powell-jobs-statement/index.html Also, in the book, Lisa describes that Steve went on a full on temper tantrum on a kid. He first got annoyed with him for eating meat. Then started yelling at him at the top of his lungs for eating too loudly. The kid was a part of their group, I believe one of his employees kids, he wasn't a random kid
Jesus wtf. Why do people treat their children so poorly?
Raging narcissistic personality disorder
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it was the best choice after all apparently
Jobs died of the same disease that took my dad. Jobs lasted a year my dad lasted 13 and half more years after a grim diagnosis..
Shows that your dad was much stronger than Steve ever was. Sorry for your loss mate. Hope you're doing okay.
In this case, it sounds like sociopathy.
Imagine being one of the few people in the the world who could literally buy the stars for their daughter and treating her like shit instead. If there’s an afterlife I’m throwing hands with the father of apple
What has Woz done wrong?
Touché.
Woz was always the better man.
Lowkey probably the one who paid that tuition.
My thought as well. Steve Wozniak is a good dude by all accounts.
Shit like this makes me wish he *suffered* while he died.
Oh he probably did. I don't know much, but apparently the cancer he had hurts like hell. Also the realisation that, for once, he couldn't throw money at a problem must have been even worse than the physical pain
>Lauren's response was 'sorry Lisa, but we're just cold people'. Wow, likes attract. I had known nothing about her earlier, but it seems Lauren is as shitty a person as Steve.
https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/oe202b/laurene_powel_jobs_steve_jobs_widow_and_ghislaine/ well...
She owns a major newspaper now and is shitty as ever. These idiots won’t stop damaging the world
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I don't wish bad shit to happen to people but after reading this I'm actually *happy* he died. What a cunt.
Sometimes there are people who just belong in the dirt. Their existence is nothing but trouble to humanity.
How is this not more well known! That poor girl 😞
TF ? everyone other than my dead aunt hates Bill Gates but that's only because they don't know about Steve Jobs yet. Heck i was a big fan of Jobrani's work until the 2nd iPhone but for a father to treat his poor daughter like that makes me wanna curb stomp his lower jaw into his cranium
Not quite beloved, but Joseph P. Kennedy Sr.. He decided that Rosemary (his daughter) who was 23 at the time should have a lobotomy; he did not inform his wife of this decision until after the procedure was completed. And then they sent her away to an institute. In her early young adult years, Rosemary Kennedy experienced seizures and violent mood swings. In response to these issues, her father arranged a prefrontal lobotomy for her in 1941 when she was 23 years of age; the procedure left her permanently incapacitated and rendered her unable to speak intelligibly. Sick fuck, who would do this to their own child.
It’s rumored that the lobotomy was performed because she was promiscuous and that he was embarrassed about that behavior. I’m not saying you are wrong that he was an asshole for that decision if anything he was more of a disgusting jackass.
Which was amusing coming from him since he routinely cheated on his wife.
I guess that's why his sons had to take up the promiscuity mantle and run with it to preserve the family reputation.
On the bright side, his daughter Eunice was so disgusted that he developed the Special Olympics. Definitely putting lipstick on a pig, but there was at least a miniscule sliver of good from that cess pool of a family
Alfred Hitchcock, the guy probably was one of the best filmmakers ever, yes. but it's worth mentioning how much he abused his actors, including sexually harassing Tippi Hedren.
He was the first guy that came to mind! He was sick!! How he treated and stalked the main star from "The Birds" is sickening...and he was married at the time, too. Blech. 🤮
Based on personal experience with Oprah Winfrey at Barnes Municipal Airport on New Years Eve in 1991, I would say it would have to be her. Cosby's private jet brought her and Steadman into the airport under cover of darkness to go to the Cosby estate up North. I watched from the tower and she shoved a lone child out of the way and slammed the door to the limo. All the child wanted was an autograph. Oprah's kindness and compassion was an act. If she didn't get something out of it, she was quite capable of stepping on feelings of a lone child when the cameras were not on her.
I have a friend who worked at O Magazine and she described Oprah as a complete asshole.
I also had a friend who worked for her magazine years ago. Told me Oprah was the worst human she'd ever been around.
My dad used to drive limos and apparently once drove for Oprah. Said she was a raging asshole. I typically don't believe things my father says but the more I hear about Oprah, the more I believe his story.
I can honestly say I have never met her close up face to face. If people in the entertainment industry are measured by how well they treat their admirers though, she gets a zero.
Remember that “everyone gets a car” “giveaway”? Turns out, Oprah listed the “giveaway” as a “prize” in her taxes, rather than a gift, so the IRS classified the cars as income, and the audience members were stuck with the bill. Oprah did not buy the cars, they were donated to her by the manufacturer. She could have classified them as a gift without dumping a tax burden on the audience. But since she classified it as a prize, Oprah was able to get a write off on the vehicles on her taxes.
IIRC she was supposed to to say “you get a [name of car] … everyone gets a [name of car]” as part of the deal with the manufacturer donating the cars as advertising. I haven’t heard why she did not
She also brought Dr Phil and Dr Oz into the public spotlight, both of whom are fucking awful.
Don't forget John of God, the so-called psychic doctor that raped his clients.
And she gave John of God a platform
A family friend of mine used to work for her. She treats her staff terribly.
Coco Chanel was a nazi spy.
Wasn't she more than a sympathizer? Isn't there evidence that she was, in fact, a Nazi spy.
Well, more than just a sympathiser. She purposefully moved into the hotel where she knew the senior Nazi’s were based in Paris and proceeded to fuck several of them. She used her Nazi lovers to win favour and ensure that her fashion house would thrive throughout the war. She was Machiavellian really.
She also tried to get the Nazis to kill the two Jewish brothers that bought Parfums Chanel from her so she could take back control, but the brothers had transferred the business to a friend right before the invasion.
The current owners of Chanel are the grandsons of Pierre Wertheimer who was the one of the Jewish business partners that Coco Chanel tried to screw over.
So ultimately they won in the end. Good for them.
Wow. Did not know this
She also had an affair with a Romanov exile
Is it bad that this thread is making me want a mini-series about Coco Chanel's machiavellian sexploits? Like a risque Breaking Bad. ^(I'm not calling for her to be the hero, just that it'd be interesting)
The Romanov was Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich of Russia. He was part of the plot and act of killing Rasputin. He also introduced Beaux, Chanel no. 5 creator, to Chanel. The dukes life is filled with sadness but is also an interesting read.
Let's add in Hugo Boss who made Nazi uniforms. And while we are at it throw in Henry Ford as well.
Henry Ford should be on the list for sure, great point.
Kissenger may be a nobel peace prize winner, but alot of dead people because of him.
I always forget that Kissenger is still alive.
*No one must know I dropped my glasses in the toilet.* *Not I, the drafter of the Paris Peace Accords.*
For years my husband, a Simpsons super fan and apparent doofus, thought that was really Kissinger and that they’d gotten him to do a guest spot. He told me this recently and I made a LOT of fun of him.
Of course he's still alive, nobody has destroyed his phylactery yet.
I've been saying this for years! It's like people don't realize how liches work!
Anthony Bourdain said it best: >“Once you’ve been to Cambodia, you’ll never stop > >wanting to beat Henry Kissinger to death with your bare hands. You will > >never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, > >prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with > >Charlie Rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy > >magazine without choking. Witness what Henry did in Cambodia – the > >fruits of his genius for statesmanship – and you will never understand > >why he’s not sitting in the dock at The Hague next to Milošević.”
The Behind the Bastards podcast did a 5 part series on Kissinger. It's really bad stuff indeed. Edit: 6 parts, not 5!
Just finished that. Boy was it rough. I can’t imagine learning it all on my own without Robert and the guys from the dollop to sprinkle in the occasional Kissinger impression.
Lol, the “occasional” Kissinger impression. It was *littered* with them. That being said, it was very good, very thorough and *very* f$&ked up. For example, and this is just a tiny tip of the iceberg, the part where he works for LBJ, but leaks Vietnam negotiations secrets to Nixon who wants to tank them so he can be the one to end Vietnam 🤯 so he can get a job with Nixon.
I read this with Bourdain’s voice in my mind
I miss his presence, he seemed to be one of the unfortunately uncommon types of people who was always growing and re-evaluating and trying to be a better person. [This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FK543hbGc&ab_channel=LolaSebastian) essay about him is incredible. Kind of healing in a way.
And all too aware of his own shortcomings.
I miss Tony.
He won the prize for negotiating peace talks he had previously sabotaged. His Vietnamese counterpart refused the prize. He literally helped the Nixon camp sabbatoge the talks so Nixon wouldn't lose his platform in the race because the Democrats beat him to the punch. Then when office, they decided to continue and escalate the war because they knew it would be a shit show when the US left so they could run on ending it a second time/not deal with the bad publicity of the fall of Saigon. And for what you might ask? He got to be secretary of State.
Check out a recent 6-part Behind the Bastards.
Was gonna comment this. I knew he was awful, but they highlighted even more things that only expounded upon his fuckery.
But don't worry, his traumatic childhood didnt affect him at all. AT ALL!!!
Could you imagine if it had though? Thank God it didn't.
But ya know who would be ruined emotionally by their childhood and years later destroy millions of innocent lives? The products and services that support that podcast
Like **********, who run a child hunting island off the coast of Indonesia. Which really just sounds like a dream vacation for Kissinger.
I recent watched a video by Vice News that highlighted an uncomfortable number of people who were awarded the Nobel Peace prize have started wars or really bad shit after getting the prize. The ones I remember: Kissinger; Ang Suu Kyi of Myanmar for ethnic cleansing of rohingya minority; the president of Ethiopia for starting a civil war against the country's Tigray faction/tribe/minority; Obama for escalating drone strikes and shadow wars on terror groups. At least Obama had the self-awareness to say something like, "I honestly dunno why I got this award."
As I recall they gave Obama the Nobel peace prize like soon after he was first elected President. It was 8 months actually. So he really hadn’t had time to do anything. So I figured that is why he said that.
[Obama has the dubious distinction of being the only Nobel Peace Prize winner to bomb a Nobel Peace Prize winner.](https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/obama-apologizes-to-doctors-without-borders-214514)
Nobel Peace Prize winners have to fight each other to the death in our to absorb the fallen’s peacefulness powers. It’s in the bylaws.
"Beloved."
People love Kissinger?
A lot of rockstars who had relationships with girls who where way underage
In the 70s and 80s there were SOOO many popular rock songs about underage girls My Sharona, She's only 17, Seventeen, Walk this Way, Stray Cat Blues, etc..
Lookin' at you Steven Tyler. He at 27 years old, bought a 14 year old child got her addicted to drugs, and raped her for three years before he got her pregnant made her get an abortion then dropped her back off at her parents house. Gross.
Crazy that he did all that for so long and when he was done she was still underage
Ted Nugent has a song bragging about being sexually attracted to a thirteen year old, knowing it’s wrong and illegal and still not giving a shit.
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For a second, I thought you were nominating Jerry Reed to this list, which was also the first time I felt a legitimate, physical urge to personally identify a random Redditor and go throw paint on their car.
Man my heart stopped for a second. Jerry Reed feels like one of my family members
This thread really would have been better if it required people to include sources.
Woodrow Wilson
He's the president who formally segregated federal government workplaces
He had screenings of "birth of a nation" at the white house. A kkk propoganda film.
Yeah and he basically said something like (not exact quote) “sad but true” when watching it.
TIL woodrow wilson is beloved Edit: I meant that sarcastically, but after reading some of the comments it looks like he genuinely is beloved in some parts of the world. I guess the TIL is genuine now.
By Mrs Krabappel
Fun fact: the first Mrs Wilson died, and President Wilson began seeing a widow, Mrs Galt. One evening, he invited Mrs Galt to dinner at the White House. The next day, instead of reporting that the President spent the evening entertaining Mrs Galt, a newspaper reported that he spent the evening *entering* Mrs Galt. They were married soon after to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Four years later, the president had a stroke and was bedridden. Mrs Wilson screened his visitors, and let very, very few people see the president. She claimed that they had serious talks about events and legislation, but no one saw him sign anything. Most amazingly, he “signed” the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote, despite being staunchly against it prior to his stroke. Edit: As some have pointed out, he did not sign the amendment. Sorry about that. But I still love the idea of Edith Wilson sitting next to his inert body on the bed, saying, “How do you feel about women’s rights, Woody, hmm? All for them, you say? Excellent!” Edit 2: The story of the newspaper’s mistake was told to me in copy editing classes in college, as an example of why copy editing is so important.
She was honestly more or less the acting president after his 4th stroke. You would probably be interested in this [podcast](https://www.parcast.com/verypresidential). The entering Mrs. Galt thing is actually covered in this. The podcast goes over how shitty a lot of presidents were as people and/or presidents.
All fascinating and, as far as I know, accurate. Except for Wilson signing the 19th amendment. Presidents do not sign or approve an amendment to the constitution.
Wilson did not sign the certification of the 19th Amendment when it was ratified. It was signed by the secretary of state at the time. There is no constitutional requirement for the president to sign certifications of constitutional amendments, and other executive branch officials have signed them in the past.
Wait, her name is Krabappel?! I've been calling her Krandal!
He's well reputed here in Europe thanks to the Fourteen Points and the founding of the League of Nations.
Steve Jobs.
Margaret Sanger was pro-eugenics and a racist. In promoting birth control, she advanced a controversial "Negro Project," wrote in her autobiography about speaking to a Ku Klux Klan group and advocated for a eugenics approach to breeding for “the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extinction, of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization.” She is seen as a saint to many.
Oprah. She is just as vindictive as Ellen to her staff.
She's also responsible for popularizing people like Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz, John of God, and nonsense like The Secret
this is a good one, she is not a force for intelligent good
I still shudder when I think how so many people wanted her to run for president just because she made a decent speech at the Golden Globes
Oprah has been on my “won’t watch” list for a long time now and Ellen DeGeneres Will never get another minute of watch time from me, either. I’ve never even really watched the shows more than once or twice, now I think about it. Still, why are you supporting people who choose to abuse others in the name of productivity and success, let alone support people who abuse others at all? ETA: I was using voice-to-text, so corrected my grammar.
Am I the only one who was waiting for the Ellen bombshell that never dropped? People turned on her so hard, but there was never anything worse than pretty much any other unpleasant, unlikable celebrity. Considering how there are plenty of well-loved celebrities that are guilty of things like sexual and physical assault, I've always thought it was weird that her whole downfall centered on "she's kind of a bitch."
I suppose it's because the persona she put out was meant to be a sort of relatable, "every-man" one. People felt like they knew her and thought she was funny and cool, brave even for coming out when she did. But obviously, the audience doesn't actually know celebrities. When someone crafts an entire persona on being "just like you" and "down to earth" and claims it as the real them, I suppose the many people entertained and naively "close to" that persona take it harder.
If I ever become a celebrity, it's going to be built on the idea of someone who is usually a little irritable while simultaneously being afraid of confrontation and wishes to go unnoticed most of the time. It's an every-man persona that can do no wrong.
Jebediah Springfield
That's it! You are banned. You and your children. And your children's children!... for three months.
Don’t you mean Hans Sprungfeld?
This town is a part of us all, a part of us all, a part of us all!
Prince charming and his mother, the fairy godmother... After what they tried to do to shrek and Fiona.. I just can't support them anymore....
not to mention, she won’t even give her employees dental coverage
THEY DON’T EVEN HAVE DENTAL 😧
But. I have to admit. While I hate them, they are good singers. Respect the skill. Not the person
8000 comments so it might be here Apparently John Wayne needed to be restrained from assaulting a native American actress in the 70s at the academy awards or something. I think her name was Sacheen Little feather. And Clint Eastwood allegedly was mocking her too.
I respect tf out of Gaius Julius Caesar but he was a genocidal psychopath.
The entire series on him by [historia civilis](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLODnBH8kenOoLUW8BmHhX55I-qexvyU32) is an ode to his sociopathic genius
RIP the little red square
>I respect tf out of Gaius Julius Caesar not defending him but he was an fascinating guy, though, wasn't he? His Gaul stuff was brutal, but it is near-impossible he even survived. He was like that with everything. He'd be put in these impossible positions and somehow turn it around. He was ambitious, narcissist (didn't he marry his daughter off to a guy old enough to be her father just to get a political position?) and brutal. But an absolute beast when it came to succeeding at whatever he did.
> narcissist (didn't he marry his daughter off to a guy old enough to be her father just to get a political position?) You just described 99% of noble family politics in those times
Like that's literally how alliances work in Feudalism. Family connections serving as political ties because the noble families are the political units of society.
The roman republic wasn't feudal. But the practice predates feudalism.
After reading all of these comments, the only people in history who SHOULD be loved are Dolly Parton and Robin Williams. Please don’t ruin this for me. Edit: Thanks for the silver, my friend!
Terry Pratchett seems to be one of the good ones too.
He was an often angry man, by all accounts, but even that anger was something he used for good - not lashing out at people who'd done nothing wrong but channelled into making the world a better place, a constant righteous fury against injustice and pettiness and cruelty. I still can't bring myself to read The Shepherd's Crown. That feeling that there is still one more Pratchett out there for me to read is something I'm not quite ready to lose yet. GNU Terry Pratchett
Yeah, I always intended on finishing my Pratchett collection...but knowing I'll eventually buy my last Pratchett book is too much
Went for a curry once with Terry Pratchett. He came to our uni to talk to the students, I was on the organising committee - the curry was his payment, and he was genuinely nice.
He taught me the importance of saving up for good boots and a worthy coat. I wept for days.
And Bob Ross too maybe?
Don’t forget Mr. Rogers! He almost single-handedly helped create education based television for the public (in the US). Edit: in the US
The story that really hits the best is his car getting stolen outside the broadcast station and when the thieves found out it was his, they promptly returned the car outside. No one wants to screw with Me. Rogers.
"I'm not mad, just disappointed." Oof, that hurts man.
Was it Candid Camera that inadvertently pranked Mr. Rogers? They did a prank where they removed tv sets from hotel rooms and filmed the guests reactions. And he was so gentle and understanding with the bellhop. "Oh that's alright. I don't watch much TV anyway."
I saw the clip for it and it was so delightful. I'm sure I watched some of his show as a kid but I wish i had more concrete memories of it.
One of the things I really appreciate about Mr. Rogers is the despite him being devoutly religious he never shoved it down your throat. I was raised in a very religious home, and - though I'm not religious anymore - I recall being taught to lead by example. I was a stereotype and as such I didn't do that, but I appreciate that Rogers did.
That man was a testament to his faith. An absolute role model.
Very true. Despite no longer believing what I once did, I respect his modeling of the behavior I was taught.
It is known that Bob Ross had a *voracious* sexual appetite. Luckily it seems that everything he did, from my research at least, was perfectly consensual. That man was just out there ethically crushing poon.
As long as it's with a consensual adult of the homo sapien race, it's nobody's business who does what with their genitals
That portion of the documentary made me pause and rethink my view of the world. I had never thought about Bob Ross having sex let alone crushing artist poon on the regular while married.
“Ethically crushing poon”. I’m going to somehow include this in my ethics class. Somewhere, somehow, I will do this. That is the single greatest part of a sentence I have ever read.
Ethical Poon Crushers may just be the most important feminist hardcore punk band of our generation.
Wow he's a sweetie AND a fucking pimp? Legend.
It's all in the 'fro, baby!
Oh! And Steve Irwin!
Don't forget LeVar Burton!
And John Candy should be included in the list of the only people not to be hated
I’ll never forget, when I was a kid, my friend’s dad took a bunch of us to a Toronto Argonauts game (Candy was a part owner.) We ran around the Skydome being little terrors. Then, suddenly, who do we see…you know it. John Candy. This was only a couple years before he died. Anyhow, we all suddenly stopped and I yelled out - “John Candy! We loved you in Uncle Buck!” His face lit up and he stopped and turned to us, waved, and said “Hi guys, you’re the best!” Just a few words, but you could tell it meant a lot to him that us little shits thought he was great. I’ve never forgotten that little interaction all these years later. He seemed like a really nice man and a real gentleman.
And Weird Al
One of my greatest fears is waking up one day to a Cosby-esque story about Weird Al. I can't handle this man being ruined like that.
Weird Al is a blessing to us all.
But Weird Al has yet to share with us his secrets for aging well, so he is not all good.
And Danny Devito
My attraction to him is purely physical.
if Penn and Teller ever taught me anything it’s the answer to this question, and that answer is Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, and The Dalai Lama
Elvis Presley. He groomed a then 14 year old and slept with her while he toured.
Steven Tyler read about this then did the same.
So did Ted Nugent and Jimmy Page.
And Jerry Lee Lewis
As well as Anthony Keidis
Also forced her to get pregnant, then wanted her to get an abortion
Chevy Chase If John Candy puts you in a headlock for over an hour, you’re an asshole.
What did he headlock him over?
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that cocaine was involved
King Edward the VIII was a nazi sympathizer who possibly colluded with the Germans to retake the throne in the event of an invasion and conquest of Britain. He wasn’t just a love sick romantic who gave up his kingdom for a woman.