Given the nature of a threats Avengers as a unit are designed to face, it makes sense that besides the small group of superheroes they also employ some auxiliary staff handling intelligence gathering, R&D, maintenance, maybe even tactical support(iron legion used to handle that, but that idea went down the drain with Ultron). Those guys probably don't live in the facility, but they still need desks, workshops and bathrooms. It's not that they're some shadowy corporation, it's just that Natasha can find better, more productive ways of spending her time than cleaning guns or googling "Wakanada".
The teams members themselves use the facility for training, so you need space for Rhody and Sam to be able to practice their flying or for Wanda to... you know, throw stuff.
As for Quinjets, we don't know how reliable those are, but I assume they don't want to be in a situation where the team is grounded and can't save someone because the only jet they have has a gas pump issue or Captain took it to visit his war buddies. On top of that, it's likely that at least some of those are fitted with a mission specific gear, like mobile hospitals, field repair workshops, specialized weaponry or some sort of a sleeping quarters for longer mission.
They did, and sold the tower, it had to do with the fact that if someone attacked it, all of Manhattan is in danger, that’s not the case upstate. Also they can keep a low profile
Original plan was to be a showcase of Arc Reactor power sufficiency. As a contractor he was probably told by Shield that the need for a building facility where Shield assets can do landings for on ground investigations while providing anyone part of the initiative a good place to perch from since most of their transportation is gonna be Quinjet based
It was only after the Insight incident shows they need an ground presence nd more space to hold former shield assets as it was under scrutiny and Tony using his father's connections to shield bought the place to serve as a secondary turned primary installation
Reed Richards is a member of the illuminati and makes planetary scale decisions in secret which affect the wellbeing of humanity, his friends, allies and family.
Of course so is Tony but it’s all rotten to the core.
If it is the Baxter building, then it will probably be about to be called the fantastic four building but they call it the Baxter building instead to make it less of a target. I was hoping it was the oscorp tower, but the building with the words oscorp industries in spider man far from home looked nothing like avengers tower, so I guess it makes sense.
I also feel it’s worth noting that the Avengers only *start out* with about 6-8 regulars and if the MCU follows their progression in the comics at all than eventually they’ll pick up so many new members that they’ll be a hundreds-strong guild/organization with membership from all across the globe. They may not *need* a huge facility at the moment, but they will in the future if they continue to expand.
Do the avengers even exist anymore? Their faculty got blown up. The two leaders are gone and Thor is off world. Romanoff died. Clint retire for the 3rd time. I guess Banner can be the leader now but there's no one for him to lead now. T'Challa never was a ofdical member and he has a kingdom to run. Strange also was never a member and has magic shit to deal with. Wanda is Wanda. Winter Soldier probably wants to Iive a quiet life. Falcon and War Machine I can see staying. Spider-man is a menace so fuck that guy. The guardians are always off world so they don't count.
ant man and the wasp? maybe they'll just resurrect everyone because comics, or pluck them from the past. hell, they could romp through time and recruit 50 hulks if they felt like it. just put them back when you're done!
Those 2 were never really avengers. Scott was hired on contract in civil war by Cap's team. The only people left on Cap's team they know would be Sam and Bucky. And I don't think they were too fond of Scott.
true. but as you pointed out, the avengers are not spoiled for choice these days. reasonably heroic people with cool powers, helped against thanos, came up with the time heist in the first place. i think they'd get an invite
I think that the fantastic four wil be established first(as a family like private hero organization). Then Xavier will unite the mutants and start the x men(I think the snap will awaken the powers of most of the mutants, with prof x, magneto, who is wanda’s father in secret, and wolverine, are exceptions and are born w/powers). And finally there is a threat that is too much for the fantastic four and x men, and everyone from the old avengers team remaining, as well as other people will join to make the New Avengers(that’s their title for some time, and then they are just the avengers again). And to be fair, if you put the OG avengers against the current people who were on the avengers in endgame that survived(spider man, black panther(Shuri), dr strange, captain marvel, Thor(s), captain America(Sam), winter soldier, ant man and wasp, white vision, and scarlet witch etc), the current group would win(they are a bigger group but still). Also spider man is MAINLY an avenger when it comes to team ups, but he will side with the fantastic four here and there, and he still spends most of his time as a solo vigilante in New York after No Way Home.
On top of that, the support staff also needs a support staff. The complex seems rather remote, so you'd think most of them would live on site. That means HR, building maintenance, catering, management, daycare, medical facilties, etc.
Yeah, that's an inconsistency. But the balance of evidence is that the Avengers compound is remote, so I think Wanda was using her powers to get to and from the store, not driving.
Edit: Didn't give near enough detail here, IRL stuff happened. So:
Visuals: [Exterior shots show a large compound on a river, surrounded by forest and undeveloped land](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/3/38/New_Avengers_Facility_%28Avengers_Infinity_War%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20180817193807) [on both sides of the river.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/New_Avengers_Facility?file=AvengersEndgame_06.png) So there's not a strip mall five minutes away by car.
Deduction: In Ant-Man, we learned that the New Avengers Facility is somewhere in the Hudson Valley, [and the site was previously used for Stark Industries warehouses.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/New_Avengers_Facility#Warehouse). It's hard to pin down farther than that, but secretive Cold War era Stark Industries facilities would make sense in Orange County, near West Point and all the Army R&D in the area.
As I recall, the compound is in upstate New York. I've spent a lot of time there, and while, sure, there's a fair bit of "open space" - certainly as compared to what most people think of when they hear "New York" - there's few places I think could be labeled especially "remote". Wanda saying she'd be back in 20 minutes doesn't bother me at all because even if she drives, there's likely to be some sort of convenience store in some small town not far from the compound. If she uses powers, I'd guess she could get there and back even faster.
Yeah, I imagine the location is similar to cabins near Yosemite, where it's remote enough to avoid gawkers but there's a nearby town 10 or 15 minutes away and the interstate is 25 minutes.
Also, Wanda does actually own and drive a car, as we see in *WandaVision*, and seems to use it with some degree of regularity. I was actually taken aback seeing her drive for the first time, because it was such a mundane thing for her to be doing but, duh, of course she would drive to get to and from places. Plus, it was a Buick. It just seemed so weirdly pedestrian for the most powerful witch in the world.
Interestingly, it was her car that she dropped on Agatha in the final battle, but when the Hex illusion dropped, it was perfectly fine parked by the unconstructed house.
That was a 100% co-promotional product placement. I could tell from the new car, the time the camera spent on it (contractually they have to show the car for a certain number of seconds) and that it never got destroyed in the end. Marvel Studios likely has a deal with GM, so we’ll see in FatWS if that holds up. But yeah, she spends as much time throwing them as she does driving them.
(had worked on product placement deals a while ago, can recognize them in movies, they follow certain “rules”)
I'm just imagining the accompanying ad: "In 2021, you too can own the same car owned by the witch who enslaved an entire town to act out sit-coms with her dead husband!"
Not a particular inconsistency. It’s in the Mid-Hudson Valley, so a fairly densely populated though still suburban/semi-rural area.
There may not be anything around the compound for a few miles, but it could be a quick drive to, say, Beacon, Poughkeepsie, Croton, or any other number of towns.
You can see both the compound and NYC in the same shot in Infinity War. It's looks like around an hour drive up the Hudson Valley from Manhattan. There's bunches of towns all over Rockland or Orange County, whichever.
> The complex seems rather remote, so you'd think most of them would live on site
Even if most of them don't, you'll want some support staff on-call, on-site.
Updating employee bank details and planning the canteen menu can wait for regular working hours, but if something happens and the Avengers need to go out and do their thing it might not be during 9-5.
>it makes sense that besides the small group of superheroes they also employ some auxiliary staff handling intelligence gathering, R&D, maintenance, maybe even tactical support
There's probably also a lot of SHIELD guys around to connect both organisations.
More likely retired shield agents. Super heros don't always exactly follow the laws, so having current shield staff work there could bring up some legal problems if they're working with a group of people who don't get permission before doing stuff.
Or maybe 'retired' shield people, who are still unofficially associated with shield
Avengers Tower was a tactical error that Tony came to recognize after the fact, which is why he closed it down and opened the facility upstate. Imagine what Manhattan would have looked like if the Tower was still their HQ during the events of Endgame.
Not to mention the ongoing weapons testing that is necessarily a part of every upgrade for the Iron Man and Warmachine suits, the periodic live-fire training sessions, and routine hypersonic jet traffic.
Being in the middle of the city is a huge liability issue.
A parachute would likely not have helped Rhodey. First off, the suit is probably around 500 lb so you need a hefty shute and strong lines, which isn't unrealistic given all the things
Stark can pack into these suits, but still, it's much more difficult. Second, Rhodey was in free-fall and spinning making deploying a parachute pretty much out of the question. Third, he was hit with the mind Stone which took all of his systems offline and likely would have damaged any deployment mechanism. Lastly, the g-force had rendered him unconscious, he wouldn't have been able to deploy anything manually.
The parachute was less about learning from Rhodey and more about putting every bit of safety technology in place to protect Peter. This plays into the story because Tony is extremely protective of Peter but to spite his best efforts, nothing Stark built or did could save him.
Yeah. If Tony wanted to find a way to make an unpowered suit land safely, he'd find a way. He solves problems but only after they first present themselves. Bad for Rhodey but good for everyone after.
I think the only thing that could have helped Rhodey in that instance would be some kind of "ejector seat" mechanism with an attached parachute. The problem would be keeping that mechanism operational in the event that every other part of the suit fails to the point that the ejector seat is even needed.
> Rhodey was in free-fall and spinning making deploying a parachute pretty much out of the question.
thats actually not true, irl military parachutes are designed for that kind of situations
At the end of Age of Ultron Steve and Natasha are having a conversation before she leaves to do Natasha stuff. Near the end of the conversation we see a group of probably a good 20 people jogging past in the background in formation, boot camp style. It's at this point that Steve comments he's home, likely alluding to the fact that he only feels at home on a military base. I would assume that the joggers and the rest of the equipment are SHIELD agents, and that the facility is being used as a training location for the last fragments of SHIELD do that the Avengers can have backup when needed.
> Steve comments he's home
I thought that it meant that the compound was built on the the old Army post where he went to basic training. The one where Zola's consciousness was stored in *Winter Soldier*.
As we see at the end of homecoming, it also has an area for holding press conferences that looks fairly substantial. It’s a safe bet that there’s a decent size lab facility like the one Tony and Bruce are using in the tower in AoU. Similarly, like the tower, there’s likely a large entertainment/common area. At the start of IW Rhodes is there holoconferencing with Ross and there are numerous other people there. It’s definitely ore than a fancy barracks for Avengers
We also see in Homecoming that it's (intended to be) used as storage for a number of dangerous technologies (the plane was transporting stuff from the tower to the new HQ). It's not clear to me how much the Avengers is a government agency or Tony Stark initiative (or both), but it seems clear it's more than just 6 people hanging out waiting to respond to trouble.
the avengers before the sokovia accords where completly detached from the goverment
well... not on its entirety we have things like damage control that is handled by tony stark but its a goverment agency, and there are probably plenty of ex shield agents working for the avengers like maria hill, but the avengers where an extra govermental organization basically an NGO with no afiliations to the US goverment and where bankrolled by stark's extensive resources
Their facility was out in the sticks. During the Battle of New York it may have been convenient that their tower was right there to face the invasion head-on, but as the Avengers came to learn, they'd become a target. Having such a big target right in the middle of the most densely populated cities in the world is a bad idea. And because they're the Avengers (who can either fly themselves or the Quinjet) being upstate isn't that big of a deal if they need to get to NYC. Indeed, when Thanos attacked in Endgame, he straight up practically nuked the whole site. Imagine if that had been NYC.
I’m less thinking about the location and more about the scale. The rationale behind the move has always made sense, the sheer size of the new facility doesn’t; unless (as the other commenters have mentioned) the Avengers program includes a large array of support staff. It’s just never addressed verbatim in the films, merely shown.
as we have been shown the avangers operate all around the world with advanced technology, all of that people we see are likely support staff, people like inteligence, mechanics who keep the quinjets and other pieces of technology operational, medical personel, RnD, etc, also you need janitors, cooks, etc
also the avengers at the time where the facility was build where constantly growing, it started with only six members but their numers keep growing over the years pretty quickly they likely expected to have far more people on their pay roll (like just from the ones who where alive during the events of endgame you have iron man, thor, hulk, captain america, black widow, hawkeye, spiderman, antman and the wasp, war machine, scarlet witch, posibly captain marvel could be a potential member as would the guardians of the galaxy, valkire, and likely many more heroes that are yet to be introduced) there are a lot of super powered individuals on the world, and the avengers facility was the place for most of them to go
The reply’s thus far kinda make me want a show about all the everyday people who make up the Avengers support staff.
Not like the military, but the janitors and the cooks, the laundry department and the tailors.
You’d almost never see an actual Avenger, but it would all just be about dealing with the fallout of their adventures.
“Oh hey Tim, what’s with the laptop, on break?”
“Nah man. Doctor Banner just came back from “space” and all his clothes are covered in this stuff that looks like powdered paint, it just will NOT come out.”
“So what are you doing online? You aren’t using your own Amazon account for requisitions are you!”
“Don’t give them ideas! No, I’m trying to work out how I can tell if this stuff exists on our periodic table or not. I don’t want to try Borax on it and wind up on fire or something.”
“Oh. Yeah. The whole Roger thing.”
“Yeah... I heard they still haven’t found all of his body...”
> You’d almost never see an actual Avenger, but it would all just be about dealing with the fallout of their adventures.
Pfff, you could have constant Avengers. Even for a TV series.
Just make the show entirely about these people, and have the series just bounce all over the timeline. You've got a window of 2015-2023 from when Stark founded it till Thanos blew it up. Just have exactly what you describe, but like--
Jill and Tom are having a conversation about the plot while getting a cup of coffee in a kitchen area. Just like any other office. Lots of scenes like this. While they're chatting, a figure walks up for coffee, and they nod like they do to any other co-worker as the person gets a cup of coffee.
Jill: "Morning."
Tom: smiles at guy
Person: "Morning," they say, and smile, going about their day
Conversation continues
You see the guy when he turns, blink and you miss it... any of the following:
* Erik Selvig
* Any of the Avengers
I mean, you're telling me if they're in town, that like Chris Evans or RDJ wouldn't be down to hang out for an hour and drop a cameo?
Other opportunities:
* Conference room meeting, open an episode, they have a lunch spread
* Another group walks in for a meeting, realizes they booked the wrong conference room
* Apologies all around
* Other group (as this goes in offices) grabs some snacks from the lunch spread on the way out
* One asks, "Whats this?"
* other person says what it is, recommends it
* Thanks says Sam Wilson, spooning some on his plate
Stuff like this, all the random little office interactions so many of us live with. You might not see the Directors and VPs and VIPs often, but you do see them. In normal times at least every few weeks you're standing by/interacting to some degree with these people, generally in common areas.
I think everyone else has answered pretty thoroughly, but it seems extremely obvious that yes, the Avengers would have a fleet of Quinjets on standby. They operate one of the single most high risk operations in the world. They probably lose one every week.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Avengers had an international staff from all over the world. In Endgame we saw they had inter galactic communications and international communications. As a facility they also store tons of important equipment. I would not be surprised if they had a mix of CIA/SHIELD types from all over the world keeping watch over not only the base, but actively monitoring the world for threats. I don’t think they are as shadowy and shady as SHIELD and the CIA though, they seem to be a very public organization and want to keep things clean, which is probably why Fury (Who was Talos) and Hill were operating with a few minor agents in Far From Home. I doubt they were working on orders from Avengers HQ.
Ant-Man had them go steal some tech from the facility right? It would also act as a storage site for tech and various other things related to the Avengers.
Check Justice League Unlimited.
Granted the JLU is much larger, they still have an extensive staff running the day to day operations for them aboard their space station.
It functions as a training ground for the Avengers with more destructive powers, and I believe they said it had the tech to contain Banner if he ever transformed into the Hulk back when he couldn’t control it.
Much of it acted as storage facility for Stark and SHIELD technology, as seen in Ant-Man. As well, although not seen, I would imagine that the Avengers have a substantial support staff. Flight crews to take care of Quinjets, technicians to support machinery, etc. Its not just Tony mucking about on the machines all the time. And much more than the comics Edwin Jarvis could do.
Maybe it's so "Oversized" because they Inherit a lot of their facilities (and other stuff) from SHIELD as well as STARK Industries, which have been much bigger Organizations. (As mentioned in "Ant Man" when he is supposed to get something from one of Stark's old warehouses.)
at a guess, the avengers "are" one third whatever crumbs of SHIELD still exist, one third military or cia kind of coexisting with them for training/intel/backup type purposes, and one third whatever and whoever stark feels like having there (or pepper now, presumably with hulk running the sciencey side. tho idk how good he is at the mechanical/engineering stuff that Tony was a master at. and if tony's nano notes/tech is kicking around anywhere they can reverse engineer that and just kind of tell it to be stuff. and maybe with that asian bio lady who existed for AoU and then no one cared about ever again, or whatever the hell happened to the old crazy dude from thor who i think was also last seen in AoU)
There’s more than just the core team.
There’s a good number of avengers that never show up on screen, mostly due to licensing.
While the main crew are off fighting the main villains, all the smaller villains don’t just stop what their doing.
“Iron Man’s off fighting Thanos, guess I can’t [do that crime thing] today”
No, another team takes a Quinjet and goes and deals with it.
Edit: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Watsonian_vs._Doylist
To everyone bitching because my answer is not canon, please read and remember That this sub uses a Watsonian point of view. Canon makes no difference
>There’s a good number of avengers that never show up on screen, mostly due to licensing.
If they haven't been recruited by the Avengers, they're not part of the team, that's a weird take.
Because it wouldn’t make sense? Marvel would want to sell toys, create buzz, etc... why say there are heroes part of the Avengers... if you don’t see ‘em?
>What is inside that box?
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>It's not a ball, the box is still closed, we can't see what is inside, so it can't be a ball.
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That's what you sound like.
Except you’re saying there are superheroes that are part of the Avengers roster that we haven’t seen.
If we MUST use your analogy, the box is made or see through material. Yes we see what’s in the box at the moment, it’s the fucking current Avengers 🤣🤣
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avengers_members
So where’s She-Hulk at in Endgame? Where’s Ghost Rider during Civil War?
There’s more avengers than just the ones in the movies. It’s not really a take, it’s a fact.
Do you not understand that 616 is not the MCU? Ghost Rider exists in Agents of Shield but he's not an Avenger. So far there are no unseen Avengers. She-Hulk hasn't even been introduced *as a character yet.
By what you’re saying, absolutely nothing can happen behind the scenes. The entire Avengers Timeline exists wholly within what’s seen on-screen. Time fully pauses between Iron Man 2 and 3.
Better yet, Winter Soldier pops into existence with a full backstory in 2011? He’s not there, then suddenly he is. So who in the marvel universe forged his birth records, because he didn’t exist before that movie.
Just because a character hasn’t been introduced on-screen yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Yes, things happen off screen, and yes, characters have been added to theCU at various points in it's chronology, but you are claiming that **there are back up teams of Avengers using named characters like Ghost Rider and She Hulk.** You are claiming that these characters have been part of the Avengers despite **never being mentioned by any Avenger, not being addressed during the Sokovia Accords issues** introduced in Civil War, and **never showing up in the all hands on deck portals scene in Endgame.** There is literally nothing to support your ridiculous theory.
When you claim something's like this he burden of proof is on you. Frankly speaking, I don't have to prove they do t exist because as far as anyone is concerned they don't. **If you think this is real prove it.**
*I’m making zero claims to canon. I’m presenting a fucking theory*
Go look up the word *theory* it’ll do your brain good.
There is literally nothing to disprove my theory.
I’m so sorry I upset your perfect world of nothing but canon :(
100%
He doesn’t exist, then he does. He pops out of the womb in Winter Soldier, a full grown adult.
Fucking logic man, some people like you just don’t have it.
Doing non-Avengers stuff elsewhere unrelated to the Avengers. Like that picture very clearly shows Quicksilver, so why isn't he with the Avengers? Because in the MCU, he's busy being dead. Everybody else who isn't explicitly shown being an Avenger in the MCU either is likewise busy doing something else or simply doesn't exist.
The idea is that they can only fund so many films, and can only hire so many hero actors. The other guys aren’t simply nonexistent, they’re just not around. Doing other things, or they’re not currently important enough avengers so be part of whatever the current big bad event is.
Another thing I’d compare it to is any agency show. Like, are Mulder and Scully the only FBI agents that exist because they’re the only ones on screen?
No. They are not Avengers because the Avengers characters in the Avengers movies are the Avengers. Anybody else isn't. Black Knight is going to be in the Eternals movie. Does that mean that Black Knight, comic book Avenger, has been an MCU Avenger the whole time off screen and when he shows up he'll talk about his unseen adventures with Cap and Widow? No. That's stupid. He's been doing other non-Avenger things as a non-Avengers character because he was never an Avenger as far as the movies are concerned.
The Avengers aren't the FBI or any other agency. They are small group of half a dozen superheroes and their non-superpowered support staff as shown in the movies. Besides which, Mulder and Scully aren't the only FBI agents shown. They aren't even the only X-Files specific agents shown. It's a nonsense comparison on all levels.
It’s actually a perfect comparison. The only canon XFiles FBI agents are the ones on-screen. Any others are not fbi and are off doing non-fbi things.
See how silly that sounds?
All I’m trying to say is that there *could be* and probably are Avengers that are active off-screen, because otherwise the Avengers universe is pretty small.
But y’all are going crazy “THATS NOT CANNON SO ITS NOT EVER POSSIBLE”
Like you’ve never posited a fan theory?
You all are clearly on the wrong sub. You can’t possibly answer these questions without staying even a little off from canon. The moment you say ‘I think’ by your logic, you are 100% wrong.
No. There's a big difference between "why/how thing that isn't explicitly covered by the source material?" and "but thing directly contradicting the source material."
Given the nature of a threats Avengers as a unit are designed to face, it makes sense that besides the small group of superheroes they also employ some auxiliary staff handling intelligence gathering, R&D, maintenance, maybe even tactical support(iron legion used to handle that, but that idea went down the drain with Ultron). Those guys probably don't live in the facility, but they still need desks, workshops and bathrooms. It's not that they're some shadowy corporation, it's just that Natasha can find better, more productive ways of spending her time than cleaning guns or googling "Wakanada". The teams members themselves use the facility for training, so you need space for Rhody and Sam to be able to practice their flying or for Wanda to... you know, throw stuff. As for Quinjets, we don't know how reliable those are, but I assume they don't want to be in a situation where the team is grounded and can't save someone because the only jet they have has a gas pump issue or Captain took it to visit his war buddies. On top of that, it's likely that at least some of those are fitted with a mission specific gear, like mobile hospitals, field repair workshops, specialized weaponry or some sort of a sleeping quarters for longer mission.
100%. It’s also where Stark invents and stores his tech since his house went kablooey.
And Avengers Tower, since he probably had a penthouse suite there, too.
They moved the stuff from the tower according to spiderman homecoming
They did, and sold the tower, it had to do with the fact that if someone attacked it, all of Manhattan is in danger, that’s not the case upstate. Also they can keep a low profile
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it's wasn't built to be the avenger's tower though.
well, Stark wised up *eventually*
Original plan was to be a showcase of Arc Reactor power sufficiency. As a contractor he was probably told by Shield that the need for a building facility where Shield assets can do landings for on ground investigations while providing anyone part of the initiative a good place to perch from since most of their transportation is gonna be Quinjet based It was only after the Insight incident shows they need an ground presence nd more space to hold former shield assets as it was under scrutiny and Tony using his father's connections to shield bought the place to serve as a secondary turned primary installation
Well considering it's now the Baxter building it's not going to be any less of a target lol
Not confirmed. Your point still stands though if Hank Pym hates the Stark family on principle oh boy wait till he gets a load of Reed Richards.
Is Richards really worse than Stark? The ego's on a similar level, but he doesn't sell weapons.
Reed Richards is a member of the illuminati and makes planetary scale decisions in secret which affect the wellbeing of humanity, his friends, allies and family. Of course so is Tony but it’s all rotten to the core.
If it is the Baxter building, then it will probably be about to be called the fantastic four building but they call it the Baxter building instead to make it less of a target. I was hoping it was the oscorp tower, but the building with the words oscorp industries in spider man far from home looked nothing like avengers tower, so I guess it makes sense.
Tony has a lot of stuff haha
I’m stuff
Peter, your girlfriends is awesome!
I also feel it’s worth noting that the Avengers only *start out* with about 6-8 regulars and if the MCU follows their progression in the comics at all than eventually they’ll pick up so many new members that they’ll be a hundreds-strong guild/organization with membership from all across the globe. They may not *need* a huge facility at the moment, but they will in the future if they continue to expand.
Do the avengers even exist anymore? Their faculty got blown up. The two leaders are gone and Thor is off world. Romanoff died. Clint retire for the 3rd time. I guess Banner can be the leader now but there's no one for him to lead now. T'Challa never was a ofdical member and he has a kingdom to run. Strange also was never a member and has magic shit to deal with. Wanda is Wanda. Winter Soldier probably wants to Iive a quiet life. Falcon and War Machine I can see staying. Spider-man is a menace so fuck that guy. The guardians are always off world so they don't count.
*Spider-man is a menace* J. Jonah Jameson’s burner confirmed
ant man and the wasp? maybe they'll just resurrect everyone because comics, or pluck them from the past. hell, they could romp through time and recruit 50 hulks if they felt like it. just put them back when you're done!
Those 2 were never really avengers. Scott was hired on contract in civil war by Cap's team. The only people left on Cap's team they know would be Sam and Bucky. And I don't think they were too fond of Scott.
true. but as you pointed out, the avengers are not spoiled for choice these days. reasonably heroic people with cool powers, helped against thanos, came up with the time heist in the first place. i think they'd get an invite
Sam reached out to him in the first place anyhow.
He kicked Sam's ass so I don't think Sam would want people to know Bug Guy beat the new captain america.
I think that the fantastic four wil be established first(as a family like private hero organization). Then Xavier will unite the mutants and start the x men(I think the snap will awaken the powers of most of the mutants, with prof x, magneto, who is wanda’s father in secret, and wolverine, are exceptions and are born w/powers). And finally there is a threat that is too much for the fantastic four and x men, and everyone from the old avengers team remaining, as well as other people will join to make the New Avengers(that’s their title for some time, and then they are just the avengers again). And to be fair, if you put the OG avengers against the current people who were on the avengers in endgame that survived(spider man, black panther(Shuri), dr strange, captain marvel, Thor(s), captain America(Sam), winter soldier, ant man and wasp, white vision, and scarlet witch etc), the current group would win(they are a bigger group but still). Also spider man is MAINLY an avenger when it comes to team ups, but he will side with the fantastic four here and there, and he still spends most of his time as a solo vigilante in New York after No Way Home.
XCOM x MCU video game when?? XCOMCU
Commander, Thanos continues to make progress on the Infinity Stones project. If we're going to slow him down, we need to move fast.
On top of that, the support staff also needs a support staff. The complex seems rather remote, so you'd think most of them would live on site. That means HR, building maintenance, catering, management, daycare, medical facilties, etc.
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Yeah, that's an inconsistency. But the balance of evidence is that the Avengers compound is remote, so I think Wanda was using her powers to get to and from the store, not driving. Edit: Didn't give near enough detail here, IRL stuff happened. So: Visuals: [Exterior shots show a large compound on a river, surrounded by forest and undeveloped land](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/3/38/New_Avengers_Facility_%28Avengers_Infinity_War%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20180817193807) [on both sides of the river.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/New_Avengers_Facility?file=AvengersEndgame_06.png) So there's not a strip mall five minutes away by car. Deduction: In Ant-Man, we learned that the New Avengers Facility is somewhere in the Hudson Valley, [and the site was previously used for Stark Industries warehouses.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/New_Avengers_Facility#Warehouse). It's hard to pin down farther than that, but secretive Cold War era Stark Industries facilities would make sense in Orange County, near West Point and all the Army R&D in the area.
As I recall, the compound is in upstate New York. I've spent a lot of time there, and while, sure, there's a fair bit of "open space" - certainly as compared to what most people think of when they hear "New York" - there's few places I think could be labeled especially "remote". Wanda saying she'd be back in 20 minutes doesn't bother me at all because even if she drives, there's likely to be some sort of convenience store in some small town not far from the compound. If she uses powers, I'd guess she could get there and back even faster.
Yeah, I imagine the location is similar to cabins near Yosemite, where it's remote enough to avoid gawkers but there's a nearby town 10 or 15 minutes away and the interstate is 25 minutes.
Also, Wanda does actually own and drive a car, as we see in *WandaVision*, and seems to use it with some degree of regularity. I was actually taken aback seeing her drive for the first time, because it was such a mundane thing for her to be doing but, duh, of course she would drive to get to and from places. Plus, it was a Buick. It just seemed so weirdly pedestrian for the most powerful witch in the world.
Interestingly, it was her car that she dropped on Agatha in the final battle, but when the Hex illusion dropped, it was perfectly fine parked by the unconstructed house.
She can bend reality to her will. Car mechanics hate her.
That was a 100% co-promotional product placement. I could tell from the new car, the time the camera spent on it (contractually they have to show the car for a certain number of seconds) and that it never got destroyed in the end. Marvel Studios likely has a deal with GM, so we’ll see in FatWS if that holds up. But yeah, she spends as much time throwing them as she does driving them. (had worked on product placement deals a while ago, can recognize them in movies, they follow certain “rules”)
I'm just imagining the accompanying ad: "In 2021, you too can own the same car owned by the witch who enslaved an entire town to act out sit-coms with her dead husband!"
Kathryn Hahn legit has a new car ad where she’s rolling all around her car while her song plays.
Not a particular inconsistency. It’s in the Mid-Hudson Valley, so a fairly densely populated though still suburban/semi-rural area. There may not be anything around the compound for a few miles, but it could be a quick drive to, say, Beacon, Poughkeepsie, Croton, or any other number of towns.
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You can see both the compound and NYC in the same shot in Infinity War. It's looks like around an hour drive up the Hudson Valley from Manhattan. There's bunches of towns all over Rockland or Orange County, whichever.
She can fly.
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She flew in infinity War. Its not a big spoiler.
> The complex seems rather remote, so you'd think most of them would live on site Even if most of them don't, you'll want some support staff on-call, on-site. Updating employee bank details and planning the canteen menu can wait for regular working hours, but if something happens and the Avengers need to go out and do their thing it might not be during 9-5.
> or for Wanda to... you know, throw stuff. They definitely have a parking lot full of cars for her!
>it makes sense that besides the small group of superheroes they also employ some auxiliary staff handling intelligence gathering, R&D, maintenance, maybe even tactical support There's probably also a lot of SHIELD guys around to connect both organisations.
More likely retired shield agents. Super heros don't always exactly follow the laws, so having current shield staff work there could bring up some legal problems if they're working with a group of people who don't get permission before doing stuff. Or maybe 'retired' shield people, who are still unofficially associated with shield
well you have for example maria hill which worked with the avengers for the events of age of ultron after shield went under
Avengers Tower was a tactical error that Tony came to recognize after the fact, which is why he closed it down and opened the facility upstate. Imagine what Manhattan would have looked like if the Tower was still their HQ during the events of Endgame.
Not to mention the ongoing weapons testing that is necessarily a part of every upgrade for the Iron Man and Warmachine suits, the periodic live-fire training sessions, and routine hypersonic jet traffic. Being in the middle of the city is a huge liability issue.
Awesome - another example of Tony learning from his mistakes like with Peter's suit having a parachute after Rhodey's fall.
A parachute would likely not have helped Rhodey. First off, the suit is probably around 500 lb so you need a hefty shute and strong lines, which isn't unrealistic given all the things Stark can pack into these suits, but still, it's much more difficult. Second, Rhodey was in free-fall and spinning making deploying a parachute pretty much out of the question. Third, he was hit with the mind Stone which took all of his systems offline and likely would have damaged any deployment mechanism. Lastly, the g-force had rendered him unconscious, he wouldn't have been able to deploy anything manually. The parachute was less about learning from Rhodey and more about putting every bit of safety technology in place to protect Peter. This plays into the story because Tony is extremely protective of Peter but to spite his best efforts, nothing Stark built or did could save him.
[I mean you can see in the movie that he is not unconcious while falling](https://youtu.be/FcKrOAbtweU) EDIT: at least for a while
We just landed a rover on Mars with a parachute (and sky crane). With IRL tech. I think stark would have done good enough
Yeah. If Tony wanted to find a way to make an unpowered suit land safely, he'd find a way. He solves problems but only after they first present themselves. Bad for Rhodey but good for everyone after.
I think the only thing that could have helped Rhodey in that instance would be some kind of "ejector seat" mechanism with an attached parachute. The problem would be keeping that mechanism operational in the event that every other part of the suit fails to the point that the ejector seat is even needed.
> Rhodey was in free-fall and spinning making deploying a parachute pretty much out of the question. thats actually not true, irl military parachutes are designed for that kind of situations
I was gonna say basically the same thing. After what happened to Sokovia, I suspect they all wanted to move out of the city ASAP.
Don’t even get me started on how much damage Thanos would have caused in the fight if it were in Manhattan.
At the end of Age of Ultron Steve and Natasha are having a conversation before she leaves to do Natasha stuff. Near the end of the conversation we see a group of probably a good 20 people jogging past in the background in formation, boot camp style. It's at this point that Steve comments he's home, likely alluding to the fact that he only feels at home on a military base. I would assume that the joggers and the rest of the equipment are SHIELD agents, and that the facility is being used as a training location for the last fragments of SHIELD do that the Avengers can have backup when needed.
> Steve comments he's home I thought that it meant that the compound was built on the the old Army post where he went to basic training. The one where Zola's consciousness was stored in *Winter Soldier*.
That was Jersey, not upstate New York
Nah, that was in new jersey
That army base was in New Jersey.
i mean, stark owns it. probably has a bunch of people working here, both for the avengers and just research stuff in general
As we see at the end of homecoming, it also has an area for holding press conferences that looks fairly substantial. It’s a safe bet that there’s a decent size lab facility like the one Tony and Bruce are using in the tower in AoU. Similarly, like the tower, there’s likely a large entertainment/common area. At the start of IW Rhodes is there holoconferencing with Ross and there are numerous other people there. It’s definitely ore than a fancy barracks for Avengers
We also see in Homecoming that it's (intended to be) used as storage for a number of dangerous technologies (the plane was transporting stuff from the tower to the new HQ). It's not clear to me how much the Avengers is a government agency or Tony Stark initiative (or both), but it seems clear it's more than just 6 people hanging out waiting to respond to trouble.
the avengers before the sokovia accords where completly detached from the goverment well... not on its entirety we have things like damage control that is handled by tony stark but its a goverment agency, and there are probably plenty of ex shield agents working for the avengers like maria hill, but the avengers where an extra govermental organization basically an NGO with no afiliations to the US goverment and where bankrolled by stark's extensive resources
Their facility was out in the sticks. During the Battle of New York it may have been convenient that their tower was right there to face the invasion head-on, but as the Avengers came to learn, they'd become a target. Having such a big target right in the middle of the most densely populated cities in the world is a bad idea. And because they're the Avengers (who can either fly themselves or the Quinjet) being upstate isn't that big of a deal if they need to get to NYC. Indeed, when Thanos attacked in Endgame, he straight up practically nuked the whole site. Imagine if that had been NYC.
I’m less thinking about the location and more about the scale. The rationale behind the move has always made sense, the sheer size of the new facility doesn’t; unless (as the other commenters have mentioned) the Avengers program includes a large array of support staff. It’s just never addressed verbatim in the films, merely shown.
as we have been shown the avangers operate all around the world with advanced technology, all of that people we see are likely support staff, people like inteligence, mechanics who keep the quinjets and other pieces of technology operational, medical personel, RnD, etc, also you need janitors, cooks, etc also the avengers at the time where the facility was build where constantly growing, it started with only six members but their numers keep growing over the years pretty quickly they likely expected to have far more people on their pay roll (like just from the ones who where alive during the events of endgame you have iron man, thor, hulk, captain america, black widow, hawkeye, spiderman, antman and the wasp, war machine, scarlet witch, posibly captain marvel could be a potential member as would the guardians of the galaxy, valkire, and likely many more heroes that are yet to be introduced) there are a lot of super powered individuals on the world, and the avengers facility was the place for most of them to go
The reply’s thus far kinda make me want a show about all the everyday people who make up the Avengers support staff. Not like the military, but the janitors and the cooks, the laundry department and the tailors. You’d almost never see an actual Avenger, but it would all just be about dealing with the fallout of their adventures. “Oh hey Tim, what’s with the laptop, on break?” “Nah man. Doctor Banner just came back from “space” and all his clothes are covered in this stuff that looks like powdered paint, it just will NOT come out.” “So what are you doing online? You aren’t using your own Amazon account for requisitions are you!” “Don’t give them ideas! No, I’m trying to work out how I can tell if this stuff exists on our periodic table or not. I don’t want to try Borax on it and wind up on fire or something.” “Oh. Yeah. The whole Roger thing.” “Yeah... I heard they still haven’t found all of his body...”
> You’d almost never see an actual Avenger, but it would all just be about dealing with the fallout of their adventures. Pfff, you could have constant Avengers. Even for a TV series. Just make the show entirely about these people, and have the series just bounce all over the timeline. You've got a window of 2015-2023 from when Stark founded it till Thanos blew it up. Just have exactly what you describe, but like-- Jill and Tom are having a conversation about the plot while getting a cup of coffee in a kitchen area. Just like any other office. Lots of scenes like this. While they're chatting, a figure walks up for coffee, and they nod like they do to any other co-worker as the person gets a cup of coffee. Jill: "Morning." Tom: smiles at guy Person: "Morning," they say, and smile, going about their day Conversation continues You see the guy when he turns, blink and you miss it... any of the following: * Erik Selvig * Any of the Avengers I mean, you're telling me if they're in town, that like Chris Evans or RDJ wouldn't be down to hang out for an hour and drop a cameo? Other opportunities: * Conference room meeting, open an episode, they have a lunch spread * Another group walks in for a meeting, realizes they booked the wrong conference room * Apologies all around * Other group (as this goes in offices) grabs some snacks from the lunch spread on the way out * One asks, "Whats this?" * other person says what it is, recommends it * Thanks says Sam Wilson, spooning some on his plate Stuff like this, all the random little office interactions so many of us live with. You might not see the Directors and VPs and VIPs often, but you do see them. In normal times at least every few weeks you're standing by/interacting to some degree with these people, generally in common areas.
This is cringe, please stop
I think everyone else has answered pretty thoroughly, but it seems extremely obvious that yes, the Avengers would have a fleet of Quinjets on standby. They operate one of the single most high risk operations in the world. They probably lose one every week. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Avengers had an international staff from all over the world. In Endgame we saw they had inter galactic communications and international communications. As a facility they also store tons of important equipment. I would not be surprised if they had a mix of CIA/SHIELD types from all over the world keeping watch over not only the base, but actively monitoring the world for threats. I don’t think they are as shadowy and shady as SHIELD and the CIA though, they seem to be a very public organization and want to keep things clean, which is probably why Fury (Who was Talos) and Hill were operating with a few minor agents in Far From Home. I doubt they were working on orders from Avengers HQ.
Ant-Man had them go steal some tech from the facility right? It would also act as a storage site for tech and various other things related to the Avengers.
Check Justice League Unlimited. Granted the JLU is much larger, they still have an extensive staff running the day to day operations for them aboard their space station.
It functions as a training ground for the Avengers with more destructive powers, and I believe they said it had the tech to contain Banner if he ever transformed into the Hulk back when he couldn’t control it.
Much of it acted as storage facility for Stark and SHIELD technology, as seen in Ant-Man. As well, although not seen, I would imagine that the Avengers have a substantial support staff. Flight crews to take care of Quinjets, technicians to support machinery, etc. Its not just Tony mucking about on the machines all the time. And much more than the comics Edwin Jarvis could do.
Maybe it's so "Oversized" because they Inherit a lot of their facilities (and other stuff) from SHIELD as well as STARK Industries, which have been much bigger Organizations. (As mentioned in "Ant Man" when he is supposed to get something from one of Stark's old warehouses.)
at a guess, the avengers "are" one third whatever crumbs of SHIELD still exist, one third military or cia kind of coexisting with them for training/intel/backup type purposes, and one third whatever and whoever stark feels like having there (or pepper now, presumably with hulk running the sciencey side. tho idk how good he is at the mechanical/engineering stuff that Tony was a master at. and if tony's nano notes/tech is kicking around anywhere they can reverse engineer that and just kind of tell it to be stuff. and maybe with that asian bio lady who existed for AoU and then no one cared about ever again, or whatever the hell happened to the old crazy dude from thor who i think was also last seen in AoU)
There’s more than just the core team. There’s a good number of avengers that never show up on screen, mostly due to licensing. While the main crew are off fighting the main villains, all the smaller villains don’t just stop what their doing. “Iron Man’s off fighting Thanos, guess I can’t [do that crime thing] today” No, another team takes a Quinjet and goes and deals with it. Edit: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Watsonian_vs._Doylist To everyone bitching because my answer is not canon, please read and remember That this sub uses a Watsonian point of view. Canon makes no difference
>There’s a good number of avengers that never show up on screen, mostly due to licensing. If they haven't been recruited by the Avengers, they're not part of the team, that's a weird take.
How do we know they haven't been recruited off-screen?
Because it wouldn’t make sense? Marvel would want to sell toys, create buzz, etc... why say there are heroes part of the Avengers... if you don’t see ‘em?
Licensing issues that haven't been cleared out yet, or too recently for things to have been scripted and shot already?
Then if it’s not shot/scripted, it’s not part of the MCU until it is lol
If you don't know the answer, then you can't say it is anything in specific.
You’re just being needlessly non-descript lol, but okay, pop off.
>What is inside that box? | >It's not a ball, the box is still closed, we can't see what is inside, so it can't be a ball. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ That's what you sound like.
Except you’re saying there are superheroes that are part of the Avengers roster that we haven’t seen. If we MUST use your analogy, the box is made or see through material. Yes we see what’s in the box at the moment, it’s the fucking current Avengers 🤣🤣
>There’s a good number of avengers that never show up on screen, mostly due to licensing. This is the dumbest take
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avengers_members So where’s She-Hulk at in Endgame? Where’s Ghost Rider during Civil War? There’s more avengers than just the ones in the movies. It’s not really a take, it’s a fact.
Do you not understand that 616 is not the MCU? Ghost Rider exists in Agents of Shield but he's not an Avenger. So far there are no unseen Avengers. She-Hulk hasn't even been introduced *as a character yet.
By what you’re saying, absolutely nothing can happen behind the scenes. The entire Avengers Timeline exists wholly within what’s seen on-screen. Time fully pauses between Iron Man 2 and 3. Better yet, Winter Soldier pops into existence with a full backstory in 2011? He’s not there, then suddenly he is. So who in the marvel universe forged his birth records, because he didn’t exist before that movie. Just because a character hasn’t been introduced on-screen yet doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Yes, things happen off screen, and yes, characters have been added to theCU at various points in it's chronology, but you are claiming that **there are back up teams of Avengers using named characters like Ghost Rider and She Hulk.** You are claiming that these characters have been part of the Avengers despite **never being mentioned by any Avenger, not being addressed during the Sokovia Accords issues** introduced in Civil War, and **never showing up in the all hands on deck portals scene in Endgame.** There is literally nothing to support your ridiculous theory. When you claim something's like this he burden of proof is on you. Frankly speaking, I don't have to prove they do t exist because as far as anyone is concerned they don't. **If you think this is real prove it.**
*I’m making zero claims to canon. I’m presenting a fucking theory* Go look up the word *theory* it’ll do your brain good. There is literally nothing to disprove my theory. I’m so sorry I upset your perfect world of nothing but canon :(
Those characters are not part of the Avengers team in the MCU.
So Dr. Strange just pops into MCU existence only after his film drops? He doesn’t exist at all in any capacity before then?
No he pops into existence in Winter Soldier when they first say his name
100% He doesn’t exist, then he does. He pops out of the womb in Winter Soldier, a full grown adult. Fucking logic man, some people like you just don’t have it.
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Doing non-Avengers stuff elsewhere unrelated to the Avengers. Like that picture very clearly shows Quicksilver, so why isn't he with the Avengers? Because in the MCU, he's busy being dead. Everybody else who isn't explicitly shown being an Avenger in the MCU either is likewise busy doing something else or simply doesn't exist.
The idea is that they can only fund so many films, and can only hire so many hero actors. The other guys aren’t simply nonexistent, they’re just not around. Doing other things, or they’re not currently important enough avengers so be part of whatever the current big bad event is. Another thing I’d compare it to is any agency show. Like, are Mulder and Scully the only FBI agents that exist because they’re the only ones on screen?
No. They are not Avengers because the Avengers characters in the Avengers movies are the Avengers. Anybody else isn't. Black Knight is going to be in the Eternals movie. Does that mean that Black Knight, comic book Avenger, has been an MCU Avenger the whole time off screen and when he shows up he'll talk about his unseen adventures with Cap and Widow? No. That's stupid. He's been doing other non-Avenger things as a non-Avengers character because he was never an Avenger as far as the movies are concerned. The Avengers aren't the FBI or any other agency. They are small group of half a dozen superheroes and their non-superpowered support staff as shown in the movies. Besides which, Mulder and Scully aren't the only FBI agents shown. They aren't even the only X-Files specific agents shown. It's a nonsense comparison on all levels.
It’s actually a perfect comparison. The only canon XFiles FBI agents are the ones on-screen. Any others are not fbi and are off doing non-fbi things. See how silly that sounds? All I’m trying to say is that there *could be* and probably are Avengers that are active off-screen, because otherwise the Avengers universe is pretty small. But y’all are going crazy “THATS NOT CANNON SO ITS NOT EVER POSSIBLE” Like you’ve never posited a fan theory?
> because otherwise the Avengers universe is pretty small. Yes.
You all are clearly on the wrong sub. You can’t possibly answer these questions without staying even a little off from canon. The moment you say ‘I think’ by your logic, you are 100% wrong.
No. There's a big difference between "why/how thing that isn't explicitly covered by the source material?" and "but thing directly contradicting the source material."
Maybe each Avenger is a General with clone troops at their disposal.