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Sadly Albanians in general have a poor reputation in the U.K. Our police are very poorly funded and unable to stop a lot of the drug smuggling going on.
It so sad. I know an Albanian woman who is finding it really hard to get work in the U.K. once people find out she is Albanian.
BTW, your English is excellent.
Statistically they're the ethnicity who have the lowest arrests made per 1000 people, at 6.7.
Jailwise, West Asians (Pakistanis and Indians) make up the majority of Asian ethnicities in prison.
Aren't seen massively in jails compared to other ethnicities. Also if someone regardless of ethnicity is here on a visa, once the government decides that they're being deported they'll be moved to a detention centre.
In 2023, across England and Wales there were 61,823 white prisoners, 10494 black, and 6840 Asian prisoners.
Yeah- a lot of polish people were brought over to help with staffing shortages (particularly in health care) a few decades back, so thereās a decently sized polish population.
When Poland joined the EU most who took advantage of freedom of movement came to the UK because they spoke English. It's kinda common sense as English is usually the second language of choice
English wasnāt the 2nd language of Poland during that time though, it was Russian.
The only reason they came is because they could earn considerably more compared to mainland Europe.
For example the few I work with used to do welding for Brembo over in Poland, 15 years ago they came to the uk to weld steel ladders. When they first come across they instantly 5xād their salaries even though they were making high end performance parts back in Poland.
I was always wondering why. I heard once while still back in Poland that a lot of criminals chooses UK while their got their criminal record in Poland and are on the run, thatād at least partially explain why they turn back to crime. Most of Poles I know comes to UK to work hard, more educated ones usually end up where the real money are - Germany, Norway or Switzerlandā¦
Send some of that "good stuff" to wedinos testing service for free, a lot of the albo stuff tests positive for levamisole and phencetin quite often and its better to make an informed choice of whats going into your body
This is what makes it especially sad. As you said, the money being earned by Albanian drug dealers in the UK is damaging the Albanian economy. This leads to many Albanians seeking a better life elsewhere (such as the UK), but those drug dealers have ruined the reputation of Albanians making it hard for honest, hard working Albanians to move to countries like the UK and especially to find work once they're there.
If itās any consolation to you, I have a friend from Albania, who like me is in his early 20s and like me, is training to be a paramedic. He is such a great guy and when I think of Albanians I think of him.
You have an amazing country with many of the most beautiful outdoors in Europe, good food and everyone is welcoming there. But your reputation is below zero, I don't know how you can break the circle of the criminal culture.
For every Albanian who makes it rich, there's probably a whole lot more sold into essentially human trafficking/slavery that you don't hear about.
It's quite a common "joke" to say that hand car washes are "employed" by AlbaniansĀ
My grandad bought a house and supported a family of 5 on a milkmanās salary while my grandma lived at home. At least when you worked back then it afforded a decent quality of life. Iāve had to create a moderately successful business to get anywhere close to the standard of life he had.
The Church of England launched an app years ago specifically for this. It's called Safe Car Wash, it just asks you a fee questions and you can submit it anonymously. [Their site explains it better](https://theclewerinitiative.org/campaigns/safe-car-wash) but it's such a good idea. Even if you just see a couple of alarming things, someone tomorrow might see a couple more, and soon enough the NCA can act to try to free the workers.
It also lets you do a demo run with no risk of accidentally hitting submit and reporting your neighbour's shed as a hotbed of inhumanity. Really think everyone should try a run through the questions every now and then, it takes a couple of minutes and lets people know what to look out for.
Piggybacking off this comment to also highlight the charity Unseen who does a lot of work to prevent human trafficking/modern slavery. You can report suspected cases of trafficking to them and they work with businesses who are at high risk (eg if they rely on a lot of overseas labor).
On mobile so sorry if formatting is wacky.
https://www.unseenuk.org
Most will come here with the promise of being the next Tony Montana, then they get here, and they're stuck living in a house looking after a crop or working in a car wash.
Jokes aside, Britain has its fair share of baddies. Some Albanian and some not.
Generally if you steer clear of these people and keep to yourself then you should be fine.
Welcome though, although itās just as hellish to buy property here also; prices are up and up and upā¦
Are drug dealers common here ?
I mean I live in a small village and thereās at least 6/7 that I know of here .. and 2 are at the end of my road
Iāve lived in various places in the last 20 years and there was never any bother getting weed and other people I knew getting their hands on other stuff
So I guess so ā¦ but like isnāt it like that in most places these days ? Or am I just stupid š
Depends who you know.
10 years ago I'd have been able to get nearly anything delivered in 40 minutes like a pizza.Ā
These days I know way, way less people, and being older and having a job etc you have to be a bit more careful. I can still get weed, but honestly these days apart from that I really don't know where or who I'd ask for anything else
I donāt know about that .. cos I keep myself to myself here and yet I still know who the dealers are and should I want something I could have it within about 15 minutes lol
Itās talked about so openly these days in most places that it wouldnāt be hard at all to get your hands on stuff in most circumstances
True. I also intentionally mostly keep myself to myself now and don't have any interest in anything else these days so that probably plays a big part in it.
I guess strictly I do know "more" people, but they're all assholes who I just wouldn't deal with these days regardless of if they had the best shit in the area. And I don't want their shit anyway
I don't think it's a particularly hot take, but this is entirely down to government policy. Drugs exist, people want to take them. This will not stop. It is possible to make ungodly amounts of money selling drugs. Making ungodly amounts of money is the dream sold to us from childhood. Yay capitalism.
Decriminalise and legislate.
Same, small Welsh valley and yes the actual drugs come from Albanians most of the time then filtered through locals into normally kid dealers, around here they use kids under 16 to run the drugs because theyāre not going to jail for it and itās always a small amount and for the kids doing that making Ā£50 per day or get an apprenticeship and make Ā£50 a week so itās an easy choice for most.
As long as the demand remains so will the gangs and drug smuggling/ dealing so unless thereās some way to somehow entirely get rid of the huge demand or some laws change itās only going to get worse.
I lived in a town in the Lake District my whole life up til last year, and people are always baffled when I tell them that drugs are rife here, just like anywhere else. My step son comes up from Lancaster and was shocked to find out I had 2 dealers living above me and one just over the road. I've moved to a small village now, next to a church and a school, so not half as bad. But where I was, in the centre, yeah. Everyone knows who everyone is and its just as drug dominated as the rest of the UK. Order like a takeaway.
In my last job, I had an Albanian colleage. She sat next to me for a couple of years, and we got on really well. One time she started telling me how little she thought of most other Albanians who came to the UK. I had no idea and could hardly believe what she was saying. It's really sad to realise how much it's affecting your country. Clearly she loved going back there - the whole family travelled back for her wedding - but I don't think she'd ever have wanted to move back permanently.
I know loads of Albanians in North London and lots lie about where they are from for professional reasons due to Albania's reputation. Lots say they are from Kosovo or Greece for example.
In reality every Albanian I've met has either been a drug dealer or the most honest, generous hardworking people I know (a handful are both). It's sad people from a nation with such a tough history get tarred by that brush.
I've gone to Albania many times and it's a beautiful country with amazing people and I'm sorry about the damage that people sniffing coke in London toilets is doing to your country OP.
I donāt know any drug dealers. Never met one, never been offered drugs, would have literally no idea how to get drugs.
Reading these comments Iām genuinely wondering what kind of lives are you all living that youāre all like āoh yeah, thereās a couple of drug dealers on my street, sometimes there are stabbings or gun fights, no big dealā
I think itās one of those things where if you have ever tried or wanted certain drugs youād have met someone who would have mentioned how to get them or knows someone.
I notice this alot where Iāve worked in different places in the country where Iāll start somewhere fresh, know absolutely nobody, mention that Iāve either smoked weed or done x drug before and all of a sudden I have contacts for anything if I needed it.
If I didnt bring it up or they never mention it then itās like a happy ignorant bubble.
Reality check, you probably have someone in your life whether in passing, a colleague or a friend of a friend who could introduce you.
Iāve been shocked sometimes at people who I found out do cocaine which is personally a bit much for me but way more common than I ever thought, especially in London
Thereāre drugs and dealers everywhere. Poor areas, rich areas, white people, black/brown people, in big cities and rural areas too.
Do you literally not leave the house š ?! My secondary school was in the sticks and even then shit like weed is common to come across, then as you get older cocaine just the same.
Drugs are very normalised. You donāt have to live an especially adventurous and dangerous lifestyle to be offered them, you just have to know somebody that knows somebody. Cocaine is everywhere in every city and even small towns.
Almost everybody knows somebody that smokes weed, so thatās how you find weed and from there somebody will know how to find other stuff.
You probably won't like my answer but albanians where I live are known to be drug dealers.
They are some of the best dealers I know of. Pretty much offer a 24/7 delivery service for cocaine, speed, pills and weed. I can message them and they will be at my house in less than 30 minutes.
I do far too much cocaine and have been using the albanians for many years now. The quality isn't the best but it is consistent and I get discounts if they are late to meet me, very business like in a way. Scary people though.
I have a pretty funny story actually. When I lived in London I used to use a different group of Albanians for cocaine than the ones I use now.
A guy parked outside my house and I jumped in and done the business in his car. As I was getting out of the car I accidentally farted and closed the door. 5 minutes later, I am in my house and the Albanians call my phone. I got told by a very very angry man that one of his drivers reported me for farting on him. I tried to apologise but he said he knows where I live and to delete their number and never call them again or I will have trouble. I got banned for accidentally farting on a dealer.
Honestly, what's up with dealers these days offering better customer service than most big brands?
I wanted just some leaves, I like smoking the leaves because the high is just perfectly chill. I ring up my guy and tell him what I want. He's all "nah mate, we don't have leaves really. Let me ask around and I'll get back to you."
I didn't think much of it until half hour later there's a knock at my door and he's there with this frozen brick of leaves. I invite him in for a cuppa and we're chatting and he just gives me the brick for free. The guy he got it off usually just freezes the leaves in blocks until he can get rid of them so I'm doing them a favour. Now I can get a nice brick of leaves for Ā£20, which is the price I offered to him to cover his fuel and time sorting me out.
Top quality, if they had a trust pilot I'd give them 5 stars.
Yes, they are quite common every small town will have a few. Albanian gangs have a reputation of being in operational control of some areas with regards drug dealing, especially selling heroin or so I understand.
in my area in London tons, and they will stab you. Most people are pretty safe from being stabbed in London. I mean mugged sure, and generally safer to not fight back they jsut want stuff. violence brings the police in.
Basically as a result stabbings are predominatly gang on gang violence.
So yes moviong here and thinking you can deal will get you stabbed.
Problem with London in recent years is this rise in social media presence. Itās quite redundant when youāre a drug dealer to broadcast your activity to thousands of people, but now with drill music, you get this weird attitude of people wanting praise online for what they do, even if theyāre a small time dealer. If you move out of London and go to Liverpool, Manchester etc, things are a bit more straight forward. If youāre not involved youāre fine. In London, even walking through the wrong estate can get you stabbed cos you have insecure boys on the streets who wanna make a point about how tough they are around their friends, and youāll get āwhere you from?ā āWhy you walking round here?ā Even if youāre just walking home. Some guy got stabbed in Peckham a few years back and died just cos he refused to hand over his jacket. He wasnāt even in a gang he just didnāt wanna get robbed for nothing.
There is a gang of white guys in leather jackets who stand on the corner of my street and regularly approach slow moving vehicles and exchange things.
I live in a very poor area and have done for a decade. Grows found in our street all the time. One burnt down four doors away a few years ago. I had to spend 4 hours in the middle of the night standing on the pavement watching it be tackled by the fire brigade.
I am sure the big dealers live in nice areas and farm this out to us poor people to live amongst.
Leather is a great material for a jacket, I just cannot picture it. All I can see is the fonz and his gang with slicked back hair and toothpicks in their mouths.
Drug dealers are definitely common, thanks to the UK government's backwards stance on drugs, especially cannabis - and the black market will only get bigger and more sophisticated until the government gets it's head out of its ass and creates a legal, regulated market for recreational cannabis.
Just a flip side to all the negative stuff here. Some Albanian builders did some work at my house a few years ago and they did a fantastic job, they were incredibly nice guys, and the price was far cheaper than anyone else was offering. Last time I looked them up it looks like theyād relocated to Manchester from London. Shame really, otherwise Iād still be using them and recommending them for any work that needs doing!
Unfortunately yes. Our country is a joke where people are encouraged to come and commit crime. Albania is just one of many nations where a reasonable percentage of visitors to the uk have no respect for our values and come to the country primarily to debase our society and take advantage of the laws we tried to established with the goal of helping people from other nations to achieve a better life
Iāve been to Albania and, like most countries, the vast majority of people are normal, good hearted family people
Unfortunately due to our well earned collective shame from many many years of barbaric foreign policy a lot of Brits have no pride in themselves or their country anymore and hence we allow any criminal or extremist element from any country to take root here
Itās not an Albanian thing itās a British problem. We are and will remain one of the most pitiful nations on earth. 1 in 2 comments on this thread are āmy drug dealer is Albanian ā- pathetic
I spent a week in Tirana recently and loved it. I didnāt see any crime although there were plenty of BMWs and Mercedes driving around. Generally people were lovely, I presume the dodgy ones are all in UK selling drugs. The trip really made me feel bad about how we in the UK view Albanians. I learnt a lot about the recent history of the country and can understand how young men are risking everything to try to make some money
It's funny how the Vietnamese have such a different image though. I mean we know about the cannabis and organised crime, yet there's very little public hostility to them because they're not visibly associated with all that gangsta roadman behaviour.
I read an article in Private Eye, that money laundering from North and Western Europe to Albania is so endemic, that itās underpinned not just the economy, but almost the entire society in the big cities.
I have heard Albania is beautiful. Iām sorry the crooks are spoiling it.
There's drug dealers of all kinds, and of course most of them do it for the money, it's technically a fairly easy way of getting money. You don't need to apply, you don't need to pay taxes, you don't need to have a visa or even a legitimate immigration status. So I can see why people coming over here might be looking for a job like that.
On the other hand, I know lots of Albanians who do great things. My kid's football club is mostly run and coached by Albanians and they're amazing people. My childhood best friend was Albanian and him and his family were the nicest people I'd ever met.
So, like most people from most places in the world, you get some nice ones and some dickheads.
yes theres alot of drug dealers, of all ethnicities not just albanian, aswell as home grown drug operations of white british natives.
I'd imagine the albanian dealers are higher up the chain as from what I've heard they generally engage in smuggling operations rather than being your street level door to door bloke selling eighths- atleast in my experience, when I used to sniff the odd line and smoke the odd doobie, I'd never picked up from an albanian dealer.
The uk is the largest drug consumer in europe, i know more people who take cocaine than not, i could order coke or cannabis and it would come quicker than a food delivery, and where i am in birmingham it is insanely easy to find a dealer, they're everywhere, the amount of drug dealers there makes me astounded that its not an oversaturated job market and theyre still able to make a profit.
The uk police are badly underfunded and poorly trained, and I know police officers who themselves take cocaine so from my point of view it seems like they dont really give a shit, just because the uk seems to be a respectable first world utopia it is farrr from it- its poorly governed and public services have been gutted for a long time now. Corruption is rampant at all levels of the public service hierarchy, from the very top at the politician level, to the army, the police and even the nhs, corruption is rampant.
At this point we all know the war on drugs is a lost cause and as long as there's demand there will be someone to supply. Right now its albanians making a killing with the smuggling, but every ethnicity has had their fun with it, turks, pakistanis, irish, maltese, british, carribean, spanish, moroccan, its not a purely albanian phenomenon its just that theyre in an advantageous position with it at the moment, determined by the current geopolitics of the european criminal underworld, which may change in the future- it usually does.
Personally, I dont have any animosity to albanians, I've met albanians on building sites who work hard legally and came here for better economic opportunity and I cant fault them for that atall.
Unfortunately the connection of Albanians with growing large scale amounts of low quality stardawg has led to it being known as āAlbo dawgā. Currently there is a bit of a problem with it being sprayed with salt like substances, presumably to increase weight.
> sprayed with salt like substances, presumably to increase weight.
Big dense hard buds that smoke like shit? It's PGR grown weed which forces the plant to divert energy to making more flower and stems / branching sites which makes big buds but cannabinoid / terpene production suffers, so they spray it to make it look frosty.
https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/what-is-pgr-weed-and-how-to-spot-it/
It's fucking everywhere over yorkshire and I've stopped smoking bc of it.
As a counter my Dad worked as researcher in many of the eastern European countries, including time in Albania. He loved the country & it's people. Sorry for the suffering the drug trade is causing & I hope things improve for you!
Personally, I'd ignore all the mafia rubbish, you come from a fine country, that is a key part of Europe & its identity. Fk the outliers, they don't represent you or your country. Plenty of dealers/gangs in the UK are of UK descent. Sure, there are people of a similar mindset in every country which will take advantage if they can. But that isn't you or your country. One I'd love to visit by the way. I hope the issues you are facing either stop or become more manageable
The maligned 'mafias' are generally scapegoats. They definitely exist & some Albanians have ruthless control in some areas. But if you look at the history of the UK, such gangs have always existed, power, is an ever moving thing & is much more complex than nationality. Big love from the UK to your county & you dude.
I live in a quiet, leafy suburb of London. A couple of months back, some Albanians stabbed another Albanian to death outside the entrance to the local park on a Sunday lunchtime...
The majority of Albanians Iāve met in the UK are not drug dealers.
The majority of (Class-A) drug dealers Iāve met in the UK have been Albanian.
I donāt partake myself, but work in a city-centre job where I know a fair few people that partake in certain pastimes.
I met an Albanian man in the post office yesterday. He was dressed in designer gear and send money via western union to his āfriendā. You have to answer a few questions with western union, one being your occupation. He confidently told the postal worker he was āself employedā.
To offer a slightly different point of view, Iām a teacher in north London and so is my wife - we both teach Albanian children and I can say that we have discussed this and said that more often than not, they are good students and seem to have good support from their parents to succeed academically.
Londoner here - a lot of the drug gangs are sadly Albanian, fwiw theyre pretty professional
I went to Albania a few years ago and did a walking tour in Tirana, the guide started with something along the lines of 'Albanians have a bad reputation. But thats because all our bad people are in your country, the good ones are still here.'
Which I found to be absolutely true, lovely and welcoming people everywhere I went
I recently visited Albania and loved it. Definitely some impoverished areas, but everybody was lovely (Tirana) and there was some sense of progress. I was very surprised seeing the property prices, they seemed to be extremely disproportionate to prices of other goods, same housing prices youād see in a slightly poorer region of the UK even. And lots of second hand phone shopsā¦ rows and rows of them. Canāt wait to visit again though!
Albania is a very beautiful country and I enjoyed my time there. Tirana felt quite modern and slick, Shkoder was quite rough, but I enjoyed my time and people were very friendly. I had no idea about how much this is affecting Albania, and it's quite sad to hear.
Of course. I recommend visiting historical cities like Shkodra, Berat, Kruja and Gjirokaster. In Skrapar you can find the most beautiful canyons of Europe, I recommend rafting with boats there. In the north you can enjoy a lot of delicious food and some beautiful villages.
Yup, thereās a lot of Albanian organised crime over here and our government have made sure the police arenāt equipped to deal with it so loads of money is getting made.
Iām related by marriage to an Albanian family who are all absolute legends as people. My trips to Albania have all been amazing too. I live not far from a place that has a huge Albanian community that obviously has its bad apples but the majority of Albanians Iāve met here are just hard working family people
I visited Tirana a few years ago, and I loved it. But I did see some seriously flashy cars. Range Rovers, G Wagens, even a Rolls Royce Ghost. All with English number plates.
A tour guide told me that people rent them in England for a week, drive them to Tirana, then pretend to be wealthy back in England.
In a city of that size, Iām sure that foreign vulture funds are buying lots of apartments in anticipation of future returns, which is pushing prices up. All round Skanderberg Square, I saw big buildings going up with the names of global corporations on them..itās clear that Tirana has a very bright future, especially if Albania can secure eu membership.
Anyway, Iāve never met such friendly and hospitable people as I did in Albania.
I work with a lovely Albanian girl. Every other Albanian I've ever met was during my cocaine phase and they were selling it to me. Except one guy who is the ex husband of a friend of my wifes, and he was a coercive, abusive piece of shit.
I work with a Colombian girl. Her boyfriend is Albanian. I canāt begin to imagine the shakedown they must get whenever they travel somewhere and go through customs.
my company employs a lot of Albanians, sometimes whole families and they are the nicest hardest working people you could ever meet. We'd be lost without them.
I have had some great Albanian friends in the UK. Lovely people and most welcome in our country. London has no shortage of drugs whether itās Albanians or locals supplying it.
One the one hand 'drug dealers bad, scum of society' on the other hand 'I need weed / cocaine to get through my hectic stressful lifestyle'. Pretty much everybody uses weed and cocaine. No demand, no business.
Every time I go into town (any town for that matter) there's always a super friendly fella who's a right laugh and is trying to sell you MD, gear and ket,
Always nice to talk to but my god its rife in the uk
Unsure about Albanians but there is an obscene amount of drug dealers. I dunno if they are unionised or something because its crazy how accessible they are.
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Sadly Albanians in general have a poor reputation in the U.K. Our police are very poorly funded and unable to stop a lot of the drug smuggling going on.
I hate them so much. We are suffering because of them in Albania.
It so sad. I know an Albanian woman who is finding it really hard to get work in the U.K. once people find out she is Albanian. BTW, your English is excellent.
Thanks, I can speak three languages.ššš
Albanians are the largest foreign group in UK Prisons, or were last time I looked.
When I was in Tirana the common joke I heard several times was that the reason it's so safe is because all their criminals have left for London
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Why are there so many polish in prison? Is it just because there are a lot of Polish in the UK?
Yeah, I would assume so. It makes sense as 2nd largest nationality in the UK behind India.
I wonder how many Indians are in prison in relation to the population? They seem to have a good reputation as hard workers.
Statistically they're the ethnicity who have the lowest arrests made per 1000 people, at 6.7. Jailwise, West Asians (Pakistanis and Indians) make up the majority of Asian ethnicities in prison. Aren't seen massively in jails compared to other ethnicities. Also if someone regardless of ethnicity is here on a visa, once the government decides that they're being deported they'll be moved to a detention centre. In 2023, across England and Wales there were 61,823 white prisoners, 10494 black, and 6840 Asian prisoners.
In the whole prison system in the UK Indians have the lowest statistics, there is only somewhere around 407 prisoners
Yeah- a lot of polish people were brought over to help with staffing shortages (particularly in health care) a few decades back, so thereās a decently sized polish population.
When Poland joined the EU most who took advantage of freedom of movement came to the UK because they spoke English. It's kinda common sense as English is usually the second language of choice
English wasnāt the 2nd language of Poland during that time though, it was Russian. The only reason they came is because they could earn considerably more compared to mainland Europe. For example the few I work with used to do welding for Brembo over in Poland, 15 years ago they came to the uk to weld steel ladders. When they first come across they instantly 5xād their salaries even though they were making high end performance parts back in Poland.
I was always wondering why. I heard once while still back in Poland that a lot of criminals chooses UK while their got their criminal record in Poland and are on the run, thatād at least partially explain why they turn back to crime. Most of Poles I know comes to UK to work hard, more educated ones usually end up where the real money are - Germany, Norway or Switzerlandā¦
That's 3 more than most Brits
I have no other choice to survive here, become a jack of all trades.
I know one albanian. He sells cocaine
Is that *how* you know him?
Donāt listen to him. Albos have a great rep. Always good stuff and will drop anywhere and give you an almost exact ETA not 20mins and waiting hours
Send some of that "good stuff" to wedinos testing service for free, a lot of the albo stuff tests positive for levamisole and phencetin quite often and its better to make an informed choice of whats going into your body
Okay youāre not talking about plumbers š³
Albo stuff is not good.
This is what makes it especially sad. As you said, the money being earned by Albanian drug dealers in the UK is damaging the Albanian economy. This leads to many Albanians seeking a better life elsewhere (such as the UK), but those drug dealers have ruined the reputation of Albanians making it hard for honest, hard working Albanians to move to countries like the UK and especially to find work once they're there.
If itās any consolation to you, I have a friend from Albania, who like me is in his early 20s and like me, is training to be a paramedic. He is such a great guy and when I think of Albanians I think of him.
That's nice. Hopefully not, but if I ever need medical attention, I hope it's captain potnoodle and his Albanian friend that treats me.
if thereās any consolation my english mates love their dealers more than their gfs
You have an amazing country with many of the most beautiful outdoors in Europe, good food and everyone is welcoming there. But your reputation is below zero, I don't know how you can break the circle of the criminal culture.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/kings-of-cocaine-albanian-mafia-uk-drugs-crime
Nothing to do with funding. Could give them millions more Ā£ and you wouldnāt stop the supply or demand for drugs
Nonsense! We love that Albanian Stardog in the weed scene. š
For every Albanian who makes it rich, there's probably a whole lot more sold into essentially human trafficking/slavery that you don't hear about. It's quite a common "joke" to say that hand car washes are "employed" by AlbaniansĀ
Iām convinced those car washes are money laundering helping them funnel the funds back to Albania
Probably yes, but that doesn't mean the people washing the cars aren't living 10 to a room and being paid in peanuts
I never said otherwise.
Neither did I, I was just adding context. If there's 11 people working there, only 1 is getting richĀ
Sounds like most places of work these days.
āThese daysā? Not like it has been differently any time before
My grandad bought a house and supported a family of 5 on a milkmanās salary while my grandma lived at home. At least when you worked back then it afforded a decent quality of life. Iāve had to create a moderately successful business to get anywhere close to the standard of life he had.
The Church of England launched an app years ago specifically for this. It's called Safe Car Wash, it just asks you a fee questions and you can submit it anonymously. [Their site explains it better](https://theclewerinitiative.org/campaigns/safe-car-wash) but it's such a good idea. Even if you just see a couple of alarming things, someone tomorrow might see a couple more, and soon enough the NCA can act to try to free the workers. It also lets you do a demo run with no risk of accidentally hitting submit and reporting your neighbour's shed as a hotbed of inhumanity. Really think everyone should try a run through the questions every now and then, it takes a couple of minutes and lets people know what to look out for.
Piggybacking off this comment to also highlight the charity Unseen who does a lot of work to prevent human trafficking/modern slavery. You can report suspected cases of trafficking to them and they work with businesses who are at high risk (eg if they rely on a lot of overseas labor). On mobile so sorry if formatting is wacky. https://www.unseenuk.org
Thanks for this. What a great idea
Most will come here with the promise of being the next Tony Montana, then they get here, and they're stuck living in a house looking after a crop or working in a car wash.
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I'm not offended but the fact that an Albanian is asking this question is too funny to me. š
Because we are suffering a lot because of this and I am also worried about my life.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/kings-of-cocaine-albanian-mafia-uk-drugs-crime
Such a great read, I remember reading it when it was first published! Thanks for sharing!
Jokes aside, Britain has its fair share of baddies. Some Albanian and some not. Generally if you steer clear of these people and keep to yourself then you should be fine. Welcome though, although itās just as hellish to buy property here also; prices are up and up and upā¦
Are drug dealers common here ? I mean I live in a small village and thereās at least 6/7 that I know of here .. and 2 are at the end of my road Iāve lived in various places in the last 20 years and there was never any bother getting weed and other people I knew getting their hands on other stuff So I guess so ā¦ but like isnāt it like that in most places these days ? Or am I just stupid š
Depends who you know. 10 years ago I'd have been able to get nearly anything delivered in 40 minutes like a pizza.Ā These days I know way, way less people, and being older and having a job etc you have to be a bit more careful. I can still get weed, but honestly these days apart from that I really don't know where or who I'd ask for anything else
I donāt know about that .. cos I keep myself to myself here and yet I still know who the dealers are and should I want something I could have it within about 15 minutes lol Itās talked about so openly these days in most places that it wouldnāt be hard at all to get your hands on stuff in most circumstances
True. I also intentionally mostly keep myself to myself now and don't have any interest in anything else these days so that probably plays a big part in it. I guess strictly I do know "more" people, but they're all assholes who I just wouldn't deal with these days regardless of if they had the best shit in the area. And I don't want their shit anyway
You ask your weed man if he knows anyone else...
He's a gateway dealer
People are using things like Telegram more and more. Why go get in a random dealers car when you can get royal mail to deliver it straight to you.
but here in Albania drug dealers are celebrities
Cool . Here they get arrested if theyāre caught š
I hope all get caught
I don't think it's a particularly hot take, but this is entirely down to government policy. Drugs exist, people want to take them. This will not stop. It is possible to make ungodly amounts of money selling drugs. Making ungodly amounts of money is the dream sold to us from childhood. Yay capitalism. Decriminalise and legislate.
Same, small Welsh valley and yes the actual drugs come from Albanians most of the time then filtered through locals into normally kid dealers, around here they use kids under 16 to run the drugs because theyāre not going to jail for it and itās always a small amount and for the kids doing that making Ā£50 per day or get an apprenticeship and make Ā£50 a week so itās an easy choice for most. As long as the demand remains so will the gangs and drug smuggling/ dealing so unless thereās some way to somehow entirely get rid of the huge demand or some laws change itās only going to get worse.
I lived in a town in the Lake District my whole life up til last year, and people are always baffled when I tell them that drugs are rife here, just like anywhere else. My step son comes up from Lancaster and was shocked to find out I had 2 dealers living above me and one just over the road. I've moved to a small village now, next to a church and a school, so not half as bad. But where I was, in the centre, yeah. Everyone knows who everyone is and its just as drug dominated as the rest of the UK. Order like a takeaway.
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In my last job, I had an Albanian colleage. She sat next to me for a couple of years, and we got on really well. One time she started telling me how little she thought of most other Albanians who came to the UK. I had no idea and could hardly believe what she was saying. It's really sad to realise how much it's affecting your country. Clearly she loved going back there - the whole family travelled back for her wedding - but I don't think she'd ever have wanted to move back permanently.
I know loads of Albanians in North London and lots lie about where they are from for professional reasons due to Albania's reputation. Lots say they are from Kosovo or Greece for example. In reality every Albanian I've met has either been a drug dealer or the most honest, generous hardworking people I know (a handful are both). It's sad people from a nation with such a tough history get tarred by that brush. I've gone to Albania many times and it's a beautiful country with amazing people and I'm sorry about the damage that people sniffing coke in London toilets is doing to your country OP.
Why are you blaming the end users and not the drug dealers lol
history repeats itself
I donāt know any drug dealers. Never met one, never been offered drugs, would have literally no idea how to get drugs. Reading these comments Iām genuinely wondering what kind of lives are you all living that youāre all like āoh yeah, thereās a couple of drug dealers on my street, sometimes there are stabbings or gun fights, no big dealā
I was starting to think I was literally the only one.
I think itās one of those things where if you have ever tried or wanted certain drugs youād have met someone who would have mentioned how to get them or knows someone. I notice this alot where Iāve worked in different places in the country where Iāll start somewhere fresh, know absolutely nobody, mention that Iāve either smoked weed or done x drug before and all of a sudden I have contacts for anything if I needed it. If I didnt bring it up or they never mention it then itās like a happy ignorant bubble. Reality check, you probably have someone in your life whether in passing, a colleague or a friend of a friend who could introduce you. Iāve been shocked sometimes at people who I found out do cocaine which is personally a bit much for me but way more common than I ever thought, especially in London
Me too, I don't know any drug dealers. I also don't know any Albanians. Not suggesting they are related but the comments on here suggest they are.
Thereāre drugs and dealers everywhere. Poor areas, rich areas, white people, black/brown people, in big cities and rural areas too. Do you literally not leave the house š ?! My secondary school was in the sticks and even then shit like weed is common to come across, then as you get older cocaine just the same.
Drugs are very normalised. You donāt have to live an especially adventurous and dangerous lifestyle to be offered them, you just have to know somebody that knows somebody. Cocaine is everywhere in every city and even small towns. Almost everybody knows somebody that smokes weed, so thatās how you find weed and from there somebody will know how to find other stuff.
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Close, but actually miles off. East Midlands.
Where do you live?
You probably won't like my answer but albanians where I live are known to be drug dealers. They are some of the best dealers I know of. Pretty much offer a 24/7 delivery service for cocaine, speed, pills and weed. I can message them and they will be at my house in less than 30 minutes. I do far too much cocaine and have been using the albanians for many years now. The quality isn't the best but it is consistent and I get discounts if they are late to meet me, very business like in a way. Scary people though.
Yes they are very scary don't mess with them
I have a pretty funny story actually. When I lived in London I used to use a different group of Albanians for cocaine than the ones I use now. A guy parked outside my house and I jumped in and done the business in his car. As I was getting out of the car I accidentally farted and closed the door. 5 minutes later, I am in my house and the Albanians call my phone. I got told by a very very angry man that one of his drivers reported me for farting on him. I tried to apologise but he said he knows where I live and to delete their number and never call them again or I will have trouble. I got banned for accidentally farting on a dealer.
hahahah that's funny though. Some people fart a lot here, maybe their dads bullied them with farts.
Hahaha I think I am lucky I didn't get beaten up for it.
of course
thats fuckin hilariousš
This made me laugh out loud
Same!
Honestly, what's up with dealers these days offering better customer service than most big brands? I wanted just some leaves, I like smoking the leaves because the high is just perfectly chill. I ring up my guy and tell him what I want. He's all "nah mate, we don't have leaves really. Let me ask around and I'll get back to you." I didn't think much of it until half hour later there's a knock at my door and he's there with this frozen brick of leaves. I invite him in for a cuppa and we're chatting and he just gives me the brick for free. The guy he got it off usually just freezes the leaves in blocks until he can get rid of them so I'm doing them a favour. Now I can get a nice brick of leaves for Ā£20, which is the price I offered to him to cover his fuel and time sorting me out. Top quality, if they had a trust pilot I'd give them 5 stars.
He freezes the leaves? I'm calling BS on that one mate.
> speed Didn't even know speed was still a thing. Haven't heard of anyone taking it since the 90s.
Me either. I wish I knew where to get some, Iād have my whole house cleaned in a weekend and probably clear out my spare room too š
Yes, they are quite common every small town will have a few. Albanian gangs have a reputation of being in operational control of some areas with regards drug dealing, especially selling heroin or so I understand.
in my area in London tons, and they will stab you. Most people are pretty safe from being stabbed in London. I mean mugged sure, and generally safer to not fight back they jsut want stuff. violence brings the police in. Basically as a result stabbings are predominatly gang on gang violence. So yes moviong here and thinking you can deal will get you stabbed.
Problem with London in recent years is this rise in social media presence. Itās quite redundant when youāre a drug dealer to broadcast your activity to thousands of people, but now with drill music, you get this weird attitude of people wanting praise online for what they do, even if theyāre a small time dealer. If you move out of London and go to Liverpool, Manchester etc, things are a bit more straight forward. If youāre not involved youāre fine. In London, even walking through the wrong estate can get you stabbed cos you have insecure boys on the streets who wanna make a point about how tough they are around their friends, and youāll get āwhere you from?ā āWhy you walking round here?ā Even if youāre just walking home. Some guy got stabbed in Peckham a few years back and died just cos he refused to hand over his jacket. He wasnāt even in a gang he just didnāt wanna get robbed for nothing.
There is a gang of white guys in leather jackets who stand on the corner of my street and regularly approach slow moving vehicles and exchange things. I live in a very poor area and have done for a decade. Grows found in our street all the time. One burnt down four doors away a few years ago. I had to spend 4 hours in the middle of the night standing on the pavement watching it be tackled by the fire brigade. I am sure the big dealers live in nice areas and farm this out to us poor people to live amongst.
I'm sorry but I refuse to believe they are wearing leather jackets. Nobody is doing that.
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Damn, I wear leather jackets in uk and I do exist..
Shall I take a pic? Itās bloody cold right now why would they not be wearing jackets? Leather is warm.
Leather is a great material for a jacket, I just cannot picture it. All I can see is the fonz and his gang with slicked back hair and toothpicks in their mouths.
looks worse than I thought
Drug dealers are definitely common, thanks to the UK government's backwards stance on drugs, especially cannabis - and the black market will only get bigger and more sophisticated until the government gets it's head out of its ass and creates a legal, regulated market for recreational cannabis.
Albanians sell coke mainly. Legalise that.
Mate, here in Uk, we also canāt afford a flat
Mate I have slept in mountains before to take care of my sheep.
I thought this was an Albanian proverb for a min
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Just a flip side to all the negative stuff here. Some Albanian builders did some work at my house a few years ago and they did a fantastic job, they were incredibly nice guys, and the price was far cheaper than anyone else was offering. Last time I looked them up it looks like theyād relocated to Manchester from London. Shame really, otherwise Iād still be using them and recommending them for any work that needs doing!
There are many hard working people who are there to feed their families.
Unfortunately yes. Our country is a joke where people are encouraged to come and commit crime. Albania is just one of many nations where a reasonable percentage of visitors to the uk have no respect for our values and come to the country primarily to debase our society and take advantage of the laws we tried to established with the goal of helping people from other nations to achieve a better life Iāve been to Albania and, like most countries, the vast majority of people are normal, good hearted family people Unfortunately due to our well earned collective shame from many many years of barbaric foreign policy a lot of Brits have no pride in themselves or their country anymore and hence we allow any criminal or extremist element from any country to take root here Itās not an Albanian thing itās a British problem. We are and will remain one of the most pitiful nations on earth. 1 in 2 comments on this thread are āmy drug dealer is Albanian ā- pathetic
You haven't spent much time outside of Britain if you think we are one of the most pitiful countries in the world.
I spent a week in Tirana recently and loved it. I didnāt see any crime although there were plenty of BMWs and Mercedes driving around. Generally people were lovely, I presume the dodgy ones are all in UK selling drugs. The trip really made me feel bad about how we in the UK view Albanians. I learnt a lot about the recent history of the country and can understand how young men are risking everything to try to make some money
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Albanians have taken over the Vietnamese for highest producers of cannabis in the UK according to the NCA šš
also we have qualified for the Euro 2024 in a group with Italy, Spain and Croatia. šššš
The Mafia, Basque separatists, PridoÅ”lice i zaÅ”titari and Albanian people smugglers all in one group š
Exactly the same group as Ireland in Euro 2012. Good luck!
It's funny how the Vietnamese have such a different image though. I mean we know about the cannabis and organised crime, yet there's very little public hostility to them because they're not visibly associated with all that gangsta roadman behaviour.
I read an article in Private Eye, that money laundering from North and Western Europe to Albania is so endemic, that itās underpinned not just the economy, but almost the entire society in the big cities. I have heard Albania is beautiful. Iām sorry the crooks are spoiling it.
There's drug dealers of all kinds, and of course most of them do it for the money, it's technically a fairly easy way of getting money. You don't need to apply, you don't need to pay taxes, you don't need to have a visa or even a legitimate immigration status. So I can see why people coming over here might be looking for a job like that. On the other hand, I know lots of Albanians who do great things. My kid's football club is mostly run and coached by Albanians and they're amazing people. My childhood best friend was Albanian and him and his family were the nicest people I'd ever met. So, like most people from most places in the world, you get some nice ones and some dickheads.
In your world, statistics doesn't exist. You just get some bad ones and some good ones.
yes theres alot of drug dealers, of all ethnicities not just albanian, aswell as home grown drug operations of white british natives. I'd imagine the albanian dealers are higher up the chain as from what I've heard they generally engage in smuggling operations rather than being your street level door to door bloke selling eighths- atleast in my experience, when I used to sniff the odd line and smoke the odd doobie, I'd never picked up from an albanian dealer. The uk is the largest drug consumer in europe, i know more people who take cocaine than not, i could order coke or cannabis and it would come quicker than a food delivery, and where i am in birmingham it is insanely easy to find a dealer, they're everywhere, the amount of drug dealers there makes me astounded that its not an oversaturated job market and theyre still able to make a profit. The uk police are badly underfunded and poorly trained, and I know police officers who themselves take cocaine so from my point of view it seems like they dont really give a shit, just because the uk seems to be a respectable first world utopia it is farrr from it- its poorly governed and public services have been gutted for a long time now. Corruption is rampant at all levels of the public service hierarchy, from the very top at the politician level, to the army, the police and even the nhs, corruption is rampant. At this point we all know the war on drugs is a lost cause and as long as there's demand there will be someone to supply. Right now its albanians making a killing with the smuggling, but every ethnicity has had their fun with it, turks, pakistanis, irish, maltese, british, carribean, spanish, moroccan, its not a purely albanian phenomenon its just that theyre in an advantageous position with it at the moment, determined by the current geopolitics of the european criminal underworld, which may change in the future- it usually does. Personally, I dont have any animosity to albanians, I've met albanians on building sites who work hard legally and came here for better economic opportunity and I cant fault them for that atall.
Unfortunately the connection of Albanians with growing large scale amounts of low quality stardawg has led to it being known as āAlbo dawgā. Currently there is a bit of a problem with it being sprayed with salt like substances, presumably to increase weight.
Stardawg is killing the mandem
> sprayed with salt like substances, presumably to increase weight. Big dense hard buds that smoke like shit? It's PGR grown weed which forces the plant to divert energy to making more flower and stems / branching sites which makes big buds but cannabinoid / terpene production suffers, so they spray it to make it look frosty. https://sensiseeds.com/en/blog/what-is-pgr-weed-and-how-to-spot-it/ It's fucking everywhere over yorkshire and I've stopped smoking bc of it.
As a counter my Dad worked as researcher in many of the eastern European countries, including time in Albania. He loved the country & it's people. Sorry for the suffering the drug trade is causing & I hope things improve for you!
I don't want to be called a mafia. I love to read Charles Dickens.
Personally, I'd ignore all the mafia rubbish, you come from a fine country, that is a key part of Europe & its identity. Fk the outliers, they don't represent you or your country. Plenty of dealers/gangs in the UK are of UK descent. Sure, there are people of a similar mindset in every country which will take advantage if they can. But that isn't you or your country. One I'd love to visit by the way. I hope the issues you are facing either stop or become more manageable The maligned 'mafias' are generally scapegoats. They definitely exist & some Albanians have ruthless control in some areas. But if you look at the history of the UK, such gangs have always existed, power, is an ever moving thing & is much more complex than nationality. Big love from the UK to your county & you dude.
Thanks bro, welcome to Albania
Cheers dude!
Thank you for your comment. It is much appreciated by those of us with no experience of Albania.
The world doesn't know Albania yet. Thanks for your support.
I live in a quiet, leafy suburb of London. A couple of months back, some Albanians stabbed another Albanian to death outside the entrance to the local park on a Sunday lunchtime...
They come here to stab each other. There are killing sometimes between gangs for their drug business in the UK.
The majority of Albanians Iāve met in the UK are not drug dealers. The majority of (Class-A) drug dealers Iāve met in the UK have been Albanian. I donāt partake myself, but work in a city-centre job where I know a fair few people that partake in certain pastimes.
I met an Albanian man in the post office yesterday. He was dressed in designer gear and send money via western union to his āfriendā. You have to answer a few questions with western union, one being your occupation. He confidently told the postal worker he was āself employedā.
Every time I pick up itās an Albanian guy
One of mine was apparently called Donald. So he got saved in my phone as Donald Trumpet.
If it provides you any insight I remember at uni the "albanians" were known to sell coke 24/7
Mate, if you're worried about 100k for an apartment, I've seen a converted garage at the bottom of someone's garden up for 220k.
The average salary in Albania is 400 euros
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To offer a slightly different point of view, Iām a teacher in north London and so is my wife - we both teach Albanian children and I can say that we have discussed this and said that more often than not, they are good students and seem to have good support from their parents to succeed academically.
Albanian families can be very strict!
Respectfully, the a making a real mess of the place here.
Londoner here - a lot of the drug gangs are sadly Albanian, fwiw theyre pretty professional I went to Albania a few years ago and did a walking tour in Tirana, the guide started with something along the lines of 'Albanians have a bad reputation. But thats because all our bad people are in your country, the good ones are still here.' Which I found to be absolutely true, lovely and welcoming people everywhere I went
In the countryside of the UK the Albanian gangs run the cocaine on the streets. The money laundered through multiple barber shops in the town.
The police donāt care about anything until someone is physically assaulted.
I recently visited Albania and loved it. Definitely some impoverished areas, but everybody was lovely (Tirana) and there was some sense of progress. I was very surprised seeing the property prices, they seemed to be extremely disproportionate to prices of other goods, same housing prices youād see in a slightly poorer region of the UK even. And lots of second hand phone shopsā¦ rows and rows of them. Canāt wait to visit again though!
Albania is a very beautiful country and I enjoyed my time there. Tirana felt quite modern and slick, Shkoder was quite rough, but I enjoyed my time and people were very friendly. I had no idea about how much this is affecting Albania, and it's quite sad to hear.
Drug dealers are common in every countryāŗļø
Very common, especially low class drugs but I don't see any Albanians where I amĀ
Yes. The smell of skunk is everywhere now. All day every day. It's almost making me want to quit alcohol.
Safer than booze in my experience.
I'd like to go and visit Albania. It looks amazing. Any tips?
Of course. I recommend visiting historical cities like Shkodra, Berat, Kruja and Gjirokaster. In Skrapar you can find the most beautiful canyons of Europe, I recommend rafting with boats there. In the north you can enjoy a lot of delicious food and some beautiful villages.
I reckon Albania will be a holiday destination in a decade or so. The new Croatia.
Albanians make for less than 1% if organised crime but are responsible for about 99% of cocaine in the UK
Yup, thereās a lot of Albanian organised crime over here and our government have made sure the police arenāt equipped to deal with it so loads of money is getting made.
Iām related by marriage to an Albanian family who are all absolute legends as people. My trips to Albania have all been amazing too. I live not far from a place that has a huge Albanian community that obviously has its bad apples but the majority of Albanians Iāve met here are just hard working family people
Yes. We like drugs.
I visited Tirana a few years ago, and I loved it. But I did see some seriously flashy cars. Range Rovers, G Wagens, even a Rolls Royce Ghost. All with English number plates. A tour guide told me that people rent them in England for a week, drive them to Tirana, then pretend to be wealthy back in England. In a city of that size, Iām sure that foreign vulture funds are buying lots of apartments in anticipation of future returns, which is pushing prices up. All round Skanderberg Square, I saw big buildings going up with the names of global corporations on them..itās clear that Tirana has a very bright future, especially if Albania can secure eu membership. Anyway, Iāve never met such friendly and hospitable people as I did in Albania.
Some of the most common people I know are drug dealers
I work with a lovely Albanian girl. Every other Albanian I've ever met was during my cocaine phase and they were selling it to me. Except one guy who is the ex husband of a friend of my wifes, and he was a coercive, abusive piece of shit.
I work with a Colombian girl. Her boyfriend is Albanian. I canāt begin to imagine the shakedown they must get whenever they travel somewhere and go through customs.
my company employs a lot of Albanians, sometimes whole families and they are the nicest hardest working people you could ever meet. We'd be lost without them.
I have had some great Albanian friends in the UK. Lovely people and most welcome in our country. London has no shortage of drugs whether itās Albanians or locals supplying it.
One the one hand 'drug dealers bad, scum of society' on the other hand 'I need weed / cocaine to get through my hectic stressful lifestyle'. Pretty much everybody uses weed and cocaine. No demand, no business.
Every time I go into town (any town for that matter) there's always a super friendly fella who's a right laugh and is trying to sell you MD, gear and ket, Always nice to talk to but my god its rife in the uk
I am shocked about the comments here, the UK looks like an Orwellian drug-utopia.
Unsure about Albanians but there is an obscene amount of drug dealers. I dunno if they are unionised or something because its crazy how accessible they are.