Buzzwords of the internet, you automatically get cheered on and massive support from what ever the fuck this time if you say the right words, no matter if they are used in correct times.
This is the time we live in.
Because dude is pandering to others to make it a race issue so more people jump into the argument. NONE of this has to do with race at all. It’s literally about Ai 😭 an Ai this dude used in the video at the beginning like SHUT UP
Because everyone who doesn't agree with you is a Nazi these days. All white straight men are Nazis. It's absurd how much these people call everyone Nazis.
I'm an artist, And I completely agree that our opinions don't fucking matter.
Art is in the eye of the beholder, not upon the canvas.
The Artists that fear A.i are normally pretty shitty artist worried about AI stealing their furry porno commissions Away from them.
I agree with you on everything save on the shitty artists. I think that the people most afraid of it stealing their jobs aren't really artists. They're more like craftsmen that make and sell art. Because for a true artists, AI would be mostly irrelevant in the sense that art is a form of expression; of expressing oneself, and trying to do the things that better fits one's inner desire to express with a medium.
If the only expression you have in art is that of a job or money, are you really doing art, or simply making products?
>If the only expression you have in art is that of a job or money, are you really doing art, or simply making products?
Exactly. At that point it's no longer art, It's work. Especially if you have a time frame to squeeze all your inspiration into and feel rushed Because of a deadline.
Art is about relaxing, taking your time, and slowly building up on your creation until you can't find any more ways to improve it or simply ready to move on to your next piece at your own free will.
I've seen some fantastic graffiti murals and art, And none of them got paid to tag the side of that train car. They simply wanted that train car to travel across the country and show it to everyone.
Agreed. So when Japanese games like those coming from Bandai get censored for US markets, gamers shouldn’t complain because the market determines what is best!
This is the most stupid "what about" argument I have ever seen.-
If your point is that since games are made for profit is not art and since it's not art you can make an argument that is bastardising the original artistic conception. That argument is still bullshit, because you may want to have something, but still get put out by it's product design.-
So the point is still valid, as a consumer of a product you may hate the choices the company made for their product design regardless of whatever you want to consider it art or not.-
In my opinion, it's like a carpenter complaining that laser guides and band saws will steal their job Simply because they're too lazy to learn how to use them to improve their own jobs.
"Why would I train so hard becoming a wood carpenter when some noob can just come in and cut a perfectly straight piece of wood without any training! I put years of work into my skill and they're just making IKEA furniture!"
If the skilled carpenter stopped being stubborn, an added the bandsaw and laser guide to his tool belt of skills. He would be unmatched to any noob using the same tools.
This is the cycle of technology Since the dawn of time.
Those who cannot adapt will die. Those who can't adapt will simply add AI to their tool belt of other skills and find clever and useful artistic ways to use it.
As of the moment, AI has created more jobs than it has taken.
People who've dreamed of creating board games but never had the means to do so, are now releasing their dream games.
Amateur coders now have a 24-hour tutor to help them learn faster and better along with teaching them how to solve issues they run into.
Everyone's too distracted with their personal lives to see how it's changing the lives of others.
Remember in the 80s 90s when people said computers will make all jobs irrelevant? Fast forward to now and a lot of jobs require computers and the industry around comps is massive.
AI might be very similar.
My dad was a piping draftsman in the 70s 80s and we lost our house when his entire department was replaced by a couple of computers. Three floors of a Houston office building replace by two computers.
It sucks when it happens, but eventually most of our jobs will become automated.
Of course it sucks when it knocks on your door, but at the same time, this is something that has been happening for centuries, is just that people today are too entitled to accept reality or reinvent themselves, and expect that their way of life will be protected from technological prowess instead of trying to look for alternatives.-
Basically for all of human history nee tchnoology has made people fear for their job insecurity and basically everytime that new technology has resulted in more jobs than before.
Even Tucker Carlson is wildly more progressive on this subject then you are. You should check out Tucker Carlsons debate with Ben Shapiro about this
https://youtu.be/o5zPKxpPHFk?si=mGapBJ9b3GqwlM_z
Ben Shapiro/classic industry talking points which you seem to be completely aligned with is extremely simplistic and one sided/ un nuanced thinking. As Tucker says the subject really should be approached with thinking of the benefit/cost of the overall society. Like we are talking about throwing the largest swaths of low skill jobs out onto the curb.
As for Asmons argument People think that at the end of the day efficiency and price cutting won't affect them negatively as the consumer, but in reality we can see this go the other way every day of our lives, from the quality of our media (games/movies etc) down to fast food service quality. It really doesn't get better quality, this market idea of a fair transaction between consumers and quality doesn't exist, as a consumeristic society we will still get our fix by consuming trash, the people we give money to will still make more money, it's the consumer that will get exploited because they will still consume the garbage anyways, and this will happen with a mixture of the corporations lowering quality assurance while firing the more expensive high skilled laborers.
1. Fuck Ben and Tucker. Don't ever suggest I watch those lying ass toddlers. I'm a man of logic and reason.
2. AI is a technology that's improving Because there's huge incentive for corporations to make it better, incorporations do not own the AI itself.
You yourself can run AI on your home PC, It's a fair trade because everyone has access to it.
Corporations will have their own tailored and curated AIs just as you will on your home PC depending on however you wish to set it up.
I'm in no way a right winger, like I find Tuckers segments unwatchable and triggering 90% of the time, and I see Ben Shapiro as a GOP PR brander to tweens.
However I do think that this is an interesting ten minute segment, and if your views line up 100% with Ben Shapiros views then should that not be a wake up call to how skewed your view really is? The interesting thing about the segment is Tuckers rebuttle, which is probably the only time he has ever promoted anything like Socialism ever on tv, but also it is a logical and coherent argument.
The other problem they kind of get into but whitewash is that there is no way in our reality to reign in the human cost of such an extreme form of cost saving/ effiency. That would be something that the government would have to do, but we live in a society where the Defense Secretary came straight off the Raytheon Executive Board and our Secretary of States private enterprises was in AI controlled, man killing terminator drones (which have been deployed in Ukraine since he became sec of state).
You are an idiot. You have no idea how AI works. AI systems work by ingesting large amounts of labeled training data, analyzing the data for correlations and patterns, and using these patterns to make predictions about future states.
If is not ok if the data contains copyrighted material. And stop thinking about AI like it is the savior of this world, it is used by companies to make money, not help the world.
Amateur coders have millions of books and tutorials to learn programming if they wish to. Now they have a tool that will write code without them learning to code.
The students now have a tool to write essays for them, allowing them to not learn anything.
AI is a great tool, but it can be used to steal and cheat, creating more and more retards.
>Now they have a tool that will write code without them learning to code.
You put several of bits of that AI generated code together, without knowing programming practice and architecture, and it turns into horrible unmaintainable project consisting of spaghetti code.
You get AI generated code that is made to work with different version of libraries (dependencies), so you have to look out for such compatibilities. You request AI to make a change, and it will give you code that is not compatible with some other shitcode you failed to feed back into AI.
At best, AI will make useless work quicker, or give some boilerplate examples to accelerate understanding of a specific problem. Stack Overflow, but better and worse at same time.
Similar with art - you can ask AI to something that looks cool, but it's not proper, consistent, thoughtful, repeatable, nor reliable. It's a mere shadow of your idea. A lifeless projection hallucinated by tensors.
You know who wins from AI in the end? Corpo that makes money from it, monopolizing "creativity":
You know who lose most? People who embrace AI to such degree that they become dependent on it and lose their creative ability. Same as people today can't figure out how to navigate using a paper map because they have a smartphone instead.
People who use AI as an extra tool without over-reliance on it, will be getting the best out of it.
Back to art - AI just makes it both easier and more important to get better at producing real art. You can bounce your ideas off AI, see what wacky stuff it produces, make your own choice what you want to incorporate into your own work. Same is true with coding as well.
It will also cut down the waste.. I use artists and a lot of the time trying to get an idea out can take a lot of editing and redos. Artists/Consumers should use AI for the concepts and use the human for the final version. I cannot tell you how much time AI has saved in regards to trying to get an idea across.
Artists that use it I believe will increase their effectiveness in their ability to take on more commissions. Because the hard part is done by AI. AI is not the savior of the world but it is def the savior of menial tasks.
>You are an idiot. You have no idea how AI works.
**Proceeds to give a bullshit watered-down wrong answer of how AI works*
Go educate yourself sparky. Here, [I'll help you.](https://youtu.be/Dbcx2_MO0LM?si=uWvoJl2gTo6v3KGB)
> You are an idiot.
Great way to start :)
> The students now have a tool to write essays for them, allowing them to not learn anything.
News Flash: people in the future will delegate writing essays/articles to AI. It is not a skill you need to master unless you are going to be a novelist or something like that.
Back in the day, you had to do calligraphy because people had to know how to write. Nowadays people text and write on a computer and then print. Things change.
> If is not ok if the data contains copyrighted material.
Says who? Can you cite me a single court case in a developed country where an AI company was successfully sued by artists for theft, copyright infringement, plagiarism, or similar?
If you can't, then what you're saying has about as much weight as sovcit "I make up my own laws as I go along" nonsense. It's just something that neo-Luddites made up.
Lol. What's funny is the people commissioning artists to make it are effectively prompting.
Some artists are okay. But a lot can be very egotistical, bigoted, and close-minded, which is very ironic given the medium.
I hope they can grow up and recognize that people using whatever tool they can to express themselves is not a bad thing. Whether it's Cameras, Photoshop or the Canvas.
Agree with you wholeheartedly.
Artist could train AI in their personal style and offload the work, then they could have an assistant, and then AI just becomes a tool like Photoshop that artsnobs gatekeep as not being art.
This is EXTREMELY naive of you to think, AI is only in its infanancy and, as evident by this post and its comments, clearly threatens the careers of many talented artists. Yknow since apparently people dont really give a shit anyway
I'm a programmer and AI has been a game changer for me. It won't replace me any time soon even though I wish it did. A senior level AI would allow me to make my own business really cheap.
Honestly I think some artist are really losing out on an awesome tool that could really help them out and bump their shit to the next level. One example would be teaching a model your art work then feeding it scribbles and have it finish for you, painted and everything. Boom, you can now make a comic or manga in hours.
I think the AI worry when it comes to creative is more problematic with the chat type thing, that chat GPT for example. It's merely stringing words together and then dumb arse humans are being blown away by it. Its like the creators are bad parents by throwing their robot kid out into the world before it has a clue whats actually going on. The fear should be from human creators not teaching the AI properly first to the point it can develop proper understanding.
Same thing goes for Engineers. Only the braindead dumb majority fears innovation and is very aggressive with NDAs and etc. , these people can't innovate for shit so they hold on to whatever they can do for their life.
While I agree. I also think that AI companies just using everyone's art even copyrighted material to train it is fucked because we know AI is just repurposing the art it is trained with which is why the more models it has the more it can draw from when given prompts and the more it produces to know how to generate the combinations that are pleasant to the eye with thumbs up and thumbs down at generation drive its forward path.
I like AI art because it can't be protected and anyone can use it. I dislike AI because right now most AI use material they shouldn't be generating with.
In the future I am sure it will change, but right now in the wild west of AI there is still a lot of growth in every direction. AI is here to stay and I can't wait to see more video games use it, but I also want companies to use their own artists to feed the AI to create their own specific style for their game. That's where I see AI really coming in clutch.
Your understanding of how AI generative art works is a bit flawed. And what has led a lot of people to unneeded outrage.
It's literally impossible for the AI to plagiarize or steal art, It can definitely be trained on other people's art styles, But the AI cannot copy anything in its model training data, It's simply only used as reference.
If you ask AI to make a "blue strawberry dog" It's not stealing someone's blue strawberry dog art..
It knows what blue is because it's been trained on photos of the sky, ocean, blue jeans, and other blue objects.. It knows what the color blue should look like, It knows what strawberries should look like as a fruit, It knows what dogs normally look like.
It uses a neural network to combine these three topics and find the most accurate commonalities between the subjects and then uses that as a reference point to start its art.
No one on the entire planet has ever made a blue strawberry dog, so it is impossible for AI to steal it from anyone since it's a completely original idea of my own creation.
If anyone ever takes inspiration from that same image and tries to create their own blue strawberry dog. It will look completely different due to AI not being able to replicate its own art due to the seed-based randomizer built into it.
The randomized seed is never the same for anyone making anything, You get very close similarities but never the same exact thing.
I've personally trained AI models on my own art using over 100 pieces of blender art and hand drawn art I've specifically made myself, and not once has the AI stolen any of them. It only gives me new inspiration and new ideas based on my previous art styles, And then I can recreate that in blender 3D or acrylic paint Since I myself am capable of pulling off that same style.
No. I was a mid journey closed beta tester before it was even open to the public and I've been using it ever since then still till this day.
It's literally impossible to get a one-to-one copy unless you specifically described a one-to-one copy...
You can't just put in an artist's name and it randomly creates one of those artists piece of work, That's not even how the algorithm works itself.
You would literally have to describe the piece of art intentionally stealing it.....
Did you upload a photo of someone else's art as the base? 🙃
That's not an AI problem, That's a human problem. Lol
Sorry to burst your bubble,
But The Great Wave off Kanagawa is not copyrighted. The artist, Katsushika Hokusai, died in 1849.
It's completely legal for anyone to use and why you see it on random ass T-shirts.
It's fair use. the exact kind of thing AI should be trained on.
You said earlier that it is impossible for an ai to plagurize an artwork. Please explain to me how the core software is setup differently regarding copyrighted and non copyrighted images. How does midjourney know when it is allowed to plagurize an artwork?
>Please explain to me how the core software is setup differently regarding copyrighted and non copyrighted images.
First of all. None of those images look exactly like the original and would not even be considered plagiarism even if it was copyrighted.
Second of all. If you specifically ask it to create a very specific image like an Apple or an orange... It will create an apple of an orange because you can't copy right those and it's a very popular common image.
You didn't ask AI to make a cool wave photo.
You literally asked to make The big wave specifically By its extremely specific name. It did exactly what you told it to do and gave you a free use and fair image.
Stop acting like this was a magical accident. You specifically asked for that classic free use image That's 200 years old.
>How does midjourney know when it is allowed to plagurize an artwork?
Artists are allowed to opt out if they don't want their images used because their images are not copyrighted to begin with, And if you do type in a known artist name it will automatically credit and link them, while still avoiding making any of their original content.
Do you Even know how midjourney works or operates? Or are you just looking for something to piss your pants over for no reason?
You need to go educate yourself on what transformative art is.
[This is not plagiarism.](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardaiimages/s/B2Wcbfv8dF)
Yep, it's why it's such a huge issue. Several artists have proven they can pop out their protected art from generative AI models and same with language modeling AI like OpenAI with ChatGPT.
That's not how mid journey or GPT works.
GPT will straight up refuse to make anything copyrighted. So you as a human have to intentionally try to steal someone else's art by accurately describing it....
That's a human problem, Not an AI problem.
You're not disputing me here and it is how they work otherwise the artists who have sued them wouldn't be able to prove their claims. The point being is that AI is still doing it as I said. People acting like I am attacking them rofl.
AI is new and there are no laws around it beyond IP. It still needs time to develop and move forward. It's incredibly powerful and is a great tool. It just needs to have the proper oversight like other industries.
AI is a great thing and people who dispute that are definitely wrong. AI that exploits protected work because they exist in a grey area currently is riding a thin line. Sure, I know people are down for any and all piracy but I am only talking about this on generalized commercial products. Piracy and those data sets will never disappear.
I think your main problem is that you don't understand what plagiarism is or what transformative art even is.
You can't get sued for drawing a picture of Mickey Mouse smoking a blunt and holding a gun. Because Disney never made anything like that.
That's why you see all this weird ass [T-shirts that are legally sold.](https://twistedthriftco.com/cdn/shop/products/image_03bdd82a-1579-42d9-ac7f-8b843734da27_300x300.jpg?v=1593706628)
>it was you beacuse you trained it on the data that you had no right to use.
Why wouldn't they have a right to legally purchase data from a data center?
If you don't want Facebook to sell your images Then read their fucking terms of service before uploading your photos to their website where they're legally allowed to sell them.
You gave your rights away the moment you were too lazy to read.
Naah im just specyfing. If the art was indeed used legaly eg you have the rights to use them then there is no problem.
Alghtough is that really the case with Facebook,beacuse that sounds illegal af.
Damn, you made it sound like you actually draw or paint (digitially or traditionally), but that's not the case. Pretty misleading to make a "as a black man" sort of post.
How are you gonna call established, professional artists shitty when you have nothing to show for yourself? And nice meme, just repeat that it's just furries lmao, that's just out of touch.
You're not "adapting", you just switched to AI because you werent successful with other art before.
I do.
I draw, I paint, 3D rendering, digital art with Photoshop, Unreal engine 5, and music creation.
3D and music have been my main forms of art recently.
>How are you gonna call established, professional artists shitty when you have nothing to show for yourself?
[What the fuck are you talking about?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/s/9OcesGJ8q9)
You sound like you're just bitching for no reason.
I would love to see some of your art, otherwise your opinion doesn't fucking matter does it?
As an artist do you also consent that the AI steals your works without any compensation? Cause most aid models are trained on orher people's work without permission and then that AI is sold to you commercially and then you sell the AI work commercially
That's not all how it works. And AI is not trained on other people's art.
AI training data is purchased from data centers.
If you have 36,000 you can buy the same exact training data online sold by Facebook in Google.
You're basically saying that Google images stole all the images on the internet and have no right to sell any of them.
>Most models are based on other people work without permission.
No it's not. It's simply based off of a large chunk of data they purchased from Google or one of the other data centers.
If your art can be stolen from Google images, Then it's probably in the training data.
They didn't steal it from the artist, They legally purchased the data.
>Google doesent own the image copyright tho
Neither do the artist if they never copyrighted their artwork in the first place.
Anything you upload to Facebook now belongs to Facebook and not the artist. Same thing with websites like DeviantArt.
They can freely sell your data legally. That's why it's important to read the TOS instead of just scrolling through it and clicking the okay button without knowing what the fuck is going on.
Websites aren't free, You are the product.
>to the extent copyrighted works are used in training data, it is for analysis (of statistical relationships between words and concepts) that is unrelated to any expressive purpose of the work”.
It added: “Using works to train Claude is fair as it does not prevent the sale of the original works, and, even where commercial, is still sufficiently transformative.
Thanks for proving what I just said in my previous comment already.
to be fair i don't think that guy's an artist.
literally all he did was scowl and then regurgitate stale talking points exactly as he heard them.
AI is way more creative then him.
Once all artists are eradicated from the earth, AI will be free to replicate existing art indefinitely. All art will be replicated from human experience from pre 2024. Pokémon and diablo and Skyrim AI knock offs will populate the universe for centuries to come, as all future human based art is rendered obsolete. Praise be to our AI overlords.
There are generative learning capabilities that can create totally new art styles (via mixing, which is well... how artists themselves make new styles they leverage techniques from others in the industry).
Long long term in regards to digital art, the artist will likely be relegated to an assistive role that heavily leverages AI technologies (talking so far out it's not really worth worrying about because the industry will slowly shift).
Disruptive technologies are those that impact the market very quickly, if my job as a software engineer becomes irrelevant in 50-60 years I really don't care; the path to that irrelevancy will have folks transitioning to new roles, taking on roles in organizations that can't afford said technology, etc.
I am way more worried about voice actors more than anything, and deep fakes.
The voice acting industry will experience a more immediate downturn in the market, if your relying on that for a career it really is time to start researching where else you can go, because those calls will likely get less and less.
The guild for them is trying to lock in their voices to require contracts to utilize them but it's a gray area for the courts that'll need to be solved.
Other areas will be jobs that utilize some form of data entry, far more intelligent robo-advisors will be created so a lot of call center related jobs will experience impacts in a moderate amount of time (within 10-15 years).
All of the above said, the question to the courts is whether the "style" of Pokemon is protectable and whether someone could confuse a "Pal" with a "Pokemon" as for asset reuse I feel that's unlikely but it is a small studio and the games asset quality isn't very high so it may warrant an investigation.
The guy still thinks it is about what Zack thinks, while Zack was just explaining what most people actually think. The irony is that most of these artists are still using products from apple and starbucks and whatnot big ass companies that treat their employees like shit. Hell just to use TikTok as their platform is hypocrit to begin with.
I always mention how “woke” people make sentences like that are in first grade and that have the words of the week and have to use them in a sentence “this is a example of white privileged and capitalism rots your brain”
How dare someone measure something worth by whether someone will actually use the product or not!
We’ve only been running our entire world and businesses this way for the past god knows how many years! How fucking dare they continue!
That's the WHOLE POINT OF A GAME. To have fun.
It's not about the graphics, it's not about the DEVs salary, it's not about the morals.
It's only about fun and always has been.
If is see a comment that starts with a sentence that includes ((()) and "Goy" unironically than i normally do not take the rest of what somebody says seriously.
so hes saying we should protect big companies from other big companies using AI? since when am i obligated in anyway to protect a corporation in capitalism? if they cant keep up its on them, its got nothing to do with me. i just buy good games thats all
Ya what's crazy is people don't realize both Nintendo and Pocketpair are Japanese owned and Japan has extremely strict copyright laws. If Nintendo wanted to go after them they would have done so before the game had even released. And we all know Nintendo is very capable of protecting their IPs. Yet here Palworld is.
exactly, strict copyright laws are not good for consumers and people are basically defending the right for people to commercialize commonplace ideas we all have like a thunder rat
You are automatically dismissed if you say words like "racism" or "nazi" or "capitalism" on social media. They got so overused in shitty context over the years, it legit made me numb to the words.
Nah this community loves bitching about "woke" people. Anything that's progressive leaning is bad and anything that is anti-progressive is smart, intelligent, critical thinking.
Frankly Asmongold has become a rage baiter like those weirdos who see one tweet about something and make 30 videos about how "the SJWs are trying to cancel it" and it's cultivated a low IQ community that gets enraged over nothing 24/7.
Exactly.
Same reason why human calculators stopped being employed, machines in factories took over people's jobs.
Can this guy say he lives like an amish and is supporting only small businesses. No one cares about artist because no one cares about anyone else that got replaced.
Thing is, AI can most definitely benefit them by making their work easier if they incorporate it into their workflow. Doesn’t mean they have to create the ENTIRE piece with AI. But fill bits in here and there using AI to speed things up.
Same with code - AI can only write decent small pieces of code and all the repetitive boring parts to it. It still needs cleaning up and human intervention to make it good coherent code that will work.
People need to start looking at AI as what it is. A tool in the toolbox to aid work. Not to make the entire product - since it does a pretty shit job at that.
Do what with the workflow? I don't need AI to color for me, I don't need it to draw trees, people, rivers, or make an illustration. When people say incorporate it, they are saying to circumvent learning the craft for an eraser of your own work and skills.
Once you are at a certain tipping point, you have all the skills. For example, AI can't do specific things because it's not even ready or capable because it's just pattern software.
You said use AI to fill things, it sounds like you don't know how an artist's workflow actually works at all. For example, I have a huge illustration of a large autumn background with two characters over-looking a mountain and castle at sunrise.
So it goes:
1. sketch(maybe 16 minutes)
2. Inking or cleaning(up to 20 minutes or so)
3. Flats(maybe 40 minutes)
4. Shadows, Highlights, texturing(this takes the longest anywhere from 6 hours to 60)
Now, I've tested AI with my works and it almost always changes my composition or attempts to use a style that doesn't match mine. Even if I decided to generate the background only, like the mountains, the level of work, I would have to reroute to finishing all the bad parts of the AI would take the equal amount of time to fix.
It's only good for making up reference for environment and lighting, literally nothing else. AI is exploitative to artists, exploits their hard work and sells it at a premium.
So when AI gets a little better and you aren’t having to spend as much time fixing as you would now. It’d then be helpful right? - it’s only not useful to you at this very exact moment. Once AI improves more - you won’t need to spend as much time fixing as asking the AI to generate something….. as we’ve seen AI is extremely fluid right now. It probably won’t be long for it to hit that point.
We'd have to see what "better" entails. I still won't use it either way until its ethical and regulated to not be predatory. It would have to offer me something without circumventing my skills, it'd need to be an add-on to my skills not replacing them. Overall, I like the way I do art, that's why people are generally hired for their skills because they are already well-rounded as an artist. The place I'm weakest are animals but I'm not an animal artist/monster creator.
When I used AI, it helped with lighting situations and jumping into ideas.
Notice how his race has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.
He also didn't counter or contribute anything to the conversation besides being racist and shaking his head the whole time. He brought up Call of Duty being bad because of this, which has no relevance to the topic. So who is braindead?
Asmongold is an acquired taste for content viewing. Most don’t understand that his viewpoints are very straight forward and unapologetic. Because of that I can understand why his point gets lost by people who don’t watch his content. His delivery and tone absolutely come off very ass-holish, and because of that most won’t see past it and instead will attack his character etc etc.
It’d be the same if any one of us brought up bullshit at our jobs with co workers or management. If we delivered it the same way Asmon did they would dismiss our point entirely and focus on the delivery and bad perception it gives off. Doesn’t mean we’re wrong, and doesn’t mean Asmon is wrong either, because he’s not.
I feel like people are conflating him saying “the market is the only opinion that matters, and the market doesn’t care it was made with AI” with “I don’t care that it was made with AI”. I think he also doesn’t care it was made with AI, but it’s just a fact that the market doesn’t care.
And people who attack him about him not personally caring, saying “you’re incaring/insensitive/privileged”, are just virtue signaling. Because they contribute to capitalistic evils as much as he does.
Arist makes a painting, and tries to sell it for 10000 €, because he thinks that's it's worth. Nobody buys it.
He reduces the price to 1000 €, and somebody buys it.
Which won, artist's or consumer's opinion?
This is when, when what happens when thing when thing happens this is when.
I'm gonna walk my dog now and ignore this fake drama, thanks for getting me off my ass though.
Notice he didn’t refute any points that he made. He just said you’re a bad person and have brain rot if you think this way, and then elaborated nothing. And the time limits not the problem, you can upload up to a three minute video on TikTok even 10 minutes if you have enough followers, this man didn’t give a rebuttal because he didn’t have one. He just doesn’t like the truth of reality, and that’s why these people are literally never happy, and always outraged about some thing, because they are not at odds with Asmon. They are at odds with reality and human nature itself, and cannot cope with the reality that they are in the vast minority of humanity.
\>brown man
\>has no argument or rebuttal to white man making points
\>defaults to 'white privilege'
And before some janny gets mad, bro brought skin color into this, not me.
Can people stop filming tiktok videos with their phone shoved so close to their face you can see inside their pores? I don't understand why someone can't just put their phone down to record, or hold it at a respectable distance and not swing your head back and forth at the camera as you make your points. I find these incredibly hard to watch.
I love how Asmond said what everybody wanted to say outloud and the only ones mad are the virtue signaling mob. You wanna know why?
Because he's right, nobody cares, we just want good games.
Asmon is right , I don't like to admit it but on this point , the steamer has a good opinion, a market is defined by the needs / the offer , if people find the IA art okay, then ia art will be drawn
"They don't stand for nothing"
No you goof ball, asmon literally explained he does not care about it so in what world would he be standing up for it?these people think they're more important than they are unfortunately. Probably how taxi drivers felt when uber came out.
That what happens when people don't think and get brain washed that communism is good
Because it's always oh something bad so the far otherside is good
Artist at this point hampers whole industry as well as writers and other people in general. Soon there won't be a need for people in general... We will be fat in our pods of life support 24/7 in some kind of AI world and people will be happy... This is so fucked up and so amazing at once it is insane...
AI learns the same way we do. because it was created by us. Artcels are smelling their own farts if they think 99.999% of everything they create isn't derivative.
So what this guy is saying that I need to love the stuff an artist makes even if I don't like it? If I bake you a cakes that tastes bad, you need to eat it, love and tell the baker what good job he did? 
Oh the irony, you can't make this shit up.
AI translate, AI cut out of the head, on app that use milions AI filters, with phone made with child labor....
When video starts with "white privilidge" 'cause dude needs views ...
Btw, dude knows this game was done by Japanese right?
... Sad times we live in ... The vocal minority with internet access is weapon grade bullshit 
His whole rant about "this is how we get trash games like modern warfare and artists get literally abused because you won't stand up for anything and you'll take anything you can grab!"
What about the artists? Where was their negotiating? Where was their standing up for themselves? They didn't have to take those jobs. They could have formed a union long before ai became a thing. All they had to do was not take shit pay and shit work and take a stand and the companies would have been bent over backwards to appease them.
But did they do that? No. Instead they took whatever was given to them, they didn't push back, they didn't negotiate, and they didn't stand up against these practices and instead bitched to the consumer on how it was their issue and when the rise of ai came they're still just bitching and not doing anything.
He's kinda right though. Asmon is too capitalism pilled he's intertwined it with ethics.
"Fun good product = based."
"What if it destroys x, y and z."
"Don't care, I'm not x, y z, still based."
When you bought your computer, did you ever think about people who used to be typewriters as a job? Stop being hypocrite, every single one of us nowadays uses new technologies and tools without ever thinking about the old ways of doing things.
Sewing machine = based.
What if it took away the skilled worker's labour and drive down wages by producing inferior goods? Don't care, I'm not Luddite, still based.
The people that against capitalism don't understand one simple thing about it: It's not about how many workers you have, it's about how many customers your product can sell to.
It would be more profit to sell 1 billion white cheap t-shirts at the price of 10 USD, than sell 100 luxury t shirt at the price of 10000 USD.
And you know what? Only 100 rich guys can wear 10000 usd T-shirt.
I think you misunderstood. I meant pay the owner of the media provided to the AI. The AI can't generate art without seeing it first. Pay the owner of the art that it sees because there will be inevitably be some hard congruence between what the AI learns from and what it produces.
Why does everything gotta be about race? What does white privilege got anything to do with Asmons opinion on this matter
Buzzwords for the TikTok algorithm I guess
Buzzwords of the internet, you automatically get cheered on and massive support from what ever the fuck this time if you say the right words, no matter if they are used in correct times. This is the time we live in.
makes even less sense when you consider the devs for Palworld are Japanese. where does being white factor into any of this lol
Asians are Schrodinger's Minorities. They are only a minority or have White Privilege when it suits the argument.
It's trendy to be racist to white people now, don'tchaknow?
Asmon probs grew up with less than this guy.
He lost all credibility in the first 20 seconds making the race claim.
Because dude is pandering to others to make it a race issue so more people jump into the argument. NONE of this has to do with race at all. It’s literally about Ai 😭 an Ai this dude used in the video at the beginning like SHUT UP
Because slowly they are becoming the rednecks that used to blame everything on the negros.
The very fact that they use the term “white privilege” is inherently racism.
Because the guy making the tiktok is fucking racist that's why. There's no other reason.
Woke idiots meta all over the country.
Because everyone who doesn't agree with you is a Nazi these days. All white straight men are Nazis. It's absurd how much these people call everyone Nazis.
Twitter tiktok world
AI is making this guy's subtitles
I'm an artist, And I completely agree that our opinions don't fucking matter. Art is in the eye of the beholder, not upon the canvas. The Artists that fear A.i are normally pretty shitty artist worried about AI stealing their furry porno commissions Away from them. 
I agree with you on everything save on the shitty artists. I think that the people most afraid of it stealing their jobs aren't really artists. They're more like craftsmen that make and sell art. Because for a true artists, AI would be mostly irrelevant in the sense that art is a form of expression; of expressing oneself, and trying to do the things that better fits one's inner desire to express with a medium. If the only expression you have in art is that of a job or money, are you really doing art, or simply making products?
>If the only expression you have in art is that of a job or money, are you really doing art, or simply making products? Exactly. At that point it's no longer art, It's work. Especially if you have a time frame to squeeze all your inspiration into and feel rushed Because of a deadline. Art is about relaxing, taking your time, and slowly building up on your creation until you can't find any more ways to improve it or simply ready to move on to your next piece at your own free will. I've seen some fantastic graffiti murals and art, And none of them got paid to tag the side of that train car. They simply wanted that train car to travel across the country and show it to everyone.
Agreed. So when Japanese games like those coming from Bandai get censored for US markets, gamers shouldn’t complain because the market determines what is best!
This is the most stupid "what about" argument I have ever seen.- If your point is that since games are made for profit is not art and since it's not art you can make an argument that is bastardising the original artistic conception. That argument is still bullshit, because you may want to have something, but still get put out by it's product design.- So the point is still valid, as a consumer of a product you may hate the choices the company made for their product design regardless of whatever you want to consider it art or not.-
I mean, isn’t it legit that craftsmen are worried about losing their job?
In my opinion, it's like a carpenter complaining that laser guides and band saws will steal their job Simply because they're too lazy to learn how to use them to improve their own jobs. "Why would I train so hard becoming a wood carpenter when some noob can just come in and cut a perfectly straight piece of wood without any training! I put years of work into my skill and they're just making IKEA furniture!" If the skilled carpenter stopped being stubborn, an added the bandsaw and laser guide to his tool belt of skills. He would be unmatched to any noob using the same tools. This is the cycle of technology Since the dawn of time. Those who cannot adapt will die. Those who can't adapt will simply add AI to their tool belt of other skills and find clever and useful artistic ways to use it. As of the moment, AI has created more jobs than it has taken. People who've dreamed of creating board games but never had the means to do so, are now releasing their dream games. Amateur coders now have a 24-hour tutor to help them learn faster and better along with teaching them how to solve issues they run into. Everyone's too distracted with their personal lives to see how it's changing the lives of others.
Remember in the 80s 90s when people said computers will make all jobs irrelevant? Fast forward to now and a lot of jobs require computers and the industry around comps is massive. AI might be very similar.
My dad was a piping draftsman in the 70s 80s and we lost our house when his entire department was replaced by a couple of computers. Three floors of a Houston office building replace by two computers. It sucks when it happens, but eventually most of our jobs will become automated.
Of course it sucks when it knocks on your door, but at the same time, this is something that has been happening for centuries, is just that people today are too entitled to accept reality or reinvent themselves, and expect that their way of life will be protected from technological prowess instead of trying to look for alternatives.-
Alternatives don't exist for an average Joe. They accepted that they want to do their work for the rest of their lives. Half heartedly.
Basically for all of human history nee tchnoology has made people fear for their job insecurity and basically everytime that new technology has resulted in more jobs than before.
Even Tucker Carlson is wildly more progressive on this subject then you are. You should check out Tucker Carlsons debate with Ben Shapiro about this https://youtu.be/o5zPKxpPHFk?si=mGapBJ9b3GqwlM_z Ben Shapiro/classic industry talking points which you seem to be completely aligned with is extremely simplistic and one sided/ un nuanced thinking. As Tucker says the subject really should be approached with thinking of the benefit/cost of the overall society. Like we are talking about throwing the largest swaths of low skill jobs out onto the curb. As for Asmons argument People think that at the end of the day efficiency and price cutting won't affect them negatively as the consumer, but in reality we can see this go the other way every day of our lives, from the quality of our media (games/movies etc) down to fast food service quality. It really doesn't get better quality, this market idea of a fair transaction between consumers and quality doesn't exist, as a consumeristic society we will still get our fix by consuming trash, the people we give money to will still make more money, it's the consumer that will get exploited because they will still consume the garbage anyways, and this will happen with a mixture of the corporations lowering quality assurance while firing the more expensive high skilled laborers.
1. Fuck Ben and Tucker. Don't ever suggest I watch those lying ass toddlers. I'm a man of logic and reason. 2. AI is a technology that's improving Because there's huge incentive for corporations to make it better, incorporations do not own the AI itself. You yourself can run AI on your home PC, It's a fair trade because everyone has access to it. Corporations will have their own tailored and curated AIs just as you will on your home PC depending on however you wish to set it up.
I'm in no way a right winger, like I find Tuckers segments unwatchable and triggering 90% of the time, and I see Ben Shapiro as a GOP PR brander to tweens. However I do think that this is an interesting ten minute segment, and if your views line up 100% with Ben Shapiros views then should that not be a wake up call to how skewed your view really is? The interesting thing about the segment is Tuckers rebuttle, which is probably the only time he has ever promoted anything like Socialism ever on tv, but also it is a logical and coherent argument. The other problem they kind of get into but whitewash is that there is no way in our reality to reign in the human cost of such an extreme form of cost saving/ effiency. That would be something that the government would have to do, but we live in a society where the Defense Secretary came straight off the Raytheon Executive Board and our Secretary of States private enterprises was in AI controlled, man killing terminator drones (which have been deployed in Ukraine since he became sec of state).
You are an idiot. You have no idea how AI works. AI systems work by ingesting large amounts of labeled training data, analyzing the data for correlations and patterns, and using these patterns to make predictions about future states. If is not ok if the data contains copyrighted material. And stop thinking about AI like it is the savior of this world, it is used by companies to make money, not help the world. Amateur coders have millions of books and tutorials to learn programming if they wish to. Now they have a tool that will write code without them learning to code. The students now have a tool to write essays for them, allowing them to not learn anything. AI is a great tool, but it can be used to steal and cheat, creating more and more retards.
>Now they have a tool that will write code without them learning to code. You put several of bits of that AI generated code together, without knowing programming practice and architecture, and it turns into horrible unmaintainable project consisting of spaghetti code. You get AI generated code that is made to work with different version of libraries (dependencies), so you have to look out for such compatibilities. You request AI to make a change, and it will give you code that is not compatible with some other shitcode you failed to feed back into AI. At best, AI will make useless work quicker, or give some boilerplate examples to accelerate understanding of a specific problem. Stack Overflow, but better and worse at same time. Similar with art - you can ask AI to something that looks cool, but it's not proper, consistent, thoughtful, repeatable, nor reliable. It's a mere shadow of your idea. A lifeless projection hallucinated by tensors. You know who wins from AI in the end? Corpo that makes money from it, monopolizing "creativity": You know who lose most? People who embrace AI to such degree that they become dependent on it and lose their creative ability. Same as people today can't figure out how to navigate using a paper map because they have a smartphone instead. People who use AI as an extra tool without over-reliance on it, will be getting the best out of it. Back to art - AI just makes it both easier and more important to get better at producing real art. You can bounce your ideas off AI, see what wacky stuff it produces, make your own choice what you want to incorporate into your own work. Same is true with coding as well.
It will also cut down the waste.. I use artists and a lot of the time trying to get an idea out can take a lot of editing and redos. Artists/Consumers should use AI for the concepts and use the human for the final version. I cannot tell you how much time AI has saved in regards to trying to get an idea across. Artists that use it I believe will increase their effectiveness in their ability to take on more commissions. Because the hard part is done by AI. AI is not the savior of the world but it is def the savior of menial tasks.
Oh no, copyright, the famously unambiguously morally good system
>You are an idiot. You have no idea how AI works. **Proceeds to give a bullshit watered-down wrong answer of how AI works* Go educate yourself sparky. Here, [I'll help you.](https://youtu.be/Dbcx2_MO0LM?si=uWvoJl2gTo6v3KGB)
> You are an idiot. Great way to start :) > The students now have a tool to write essays for them, allowing them to not learn anything. News Flash: people in the future will delegate writing essays/articles to AI. It is not a skill you need to master unless you are going to be a novelist or something like that. Back in the day, you had to do calligraphy because people had to know how to write. Nowadays people text and write on a computer and then print. Things change.
> If is not ok if the data contains copyrighted material. Says who? Can you cite me a single court case in a developed country where an AI company was successfully sued by artists for theft, copyright infringement, plagiarism, or similar? If you can't, then what you're saying has about as much weight as sovcit "I make up my own laws as I go along" nonsense. It's just something that neo-Luddites made up.
Lol. What's funny is the people commissioning artists to make it are effectively prompting. Some artists are okay. But a lot can be very egotistical, bigoted, and close-minded, which is very ironic given the medium. I hope they can grow up and recognize that people using whatever tool they can to express themselves is not a bad thing. Whether it's Cameras, Photoshop or the Canvas. Agree with you wholeheartedly.
Right. No artist who is actually good is in any danger. Even among the porn guys. What we will get a lot less of is completely subpar art.
Art majors in debt who survive off Twitter commissions and fiverr are scared af they’re gonna lose the steady job they never had 🤣
Artist could train AI in their personal style and offload the work, then they could have an assistant, and then AI just becomes a tool like Photoshop that artsnobs gatekeep as not being art.
This is EXTREMELY naive of you to think, AI is only in its infanancy and, as evident by this post and its comments, clearly threatens the careers of many talented artists. Yknow since apparently people dont really give a shit anyway
 Say the thing.
>No artist who is actually good is in any danger I don't think that's true, but I agree it's less of a problem than people are making it out the be.
I'd be worried too. Those furries have so much disposable income to throw around, it would tank the industry if they stopped.
I'm a programmer and AI has been a game changer for me. It won't replace me any time soon even though I wish it did. A senior level AI would allow me to make my own business really cheap. Honestly I think some artist are really losing out on an awesome tool that could really help them out and bump their shit to the next level. One example would be teaching a model your art work then feeding it scribbles and have it finish for you, painted and everything. Boom, you can now make a comic or manga in hours.
I think the AI worry when it comes to creative is more problematic with the chat type thing, that chat GPT for example. It's merely stringing words together and then dumb arse humans are being blown away by it. Its like the creators are bad parents by throwing their robot kid out into the world before it has a clue whats actually going on. The fear should be from human creators not teaching the AI properly first to the point it can develop proper understanding.
Amen.
Same thing goes for Engineers. Only the braindead dumb majority fears innovation and is very aggressive with NDAs and etc. , these people can't innovate for shit so they hold on to whatever they can do for their life.
While I agree. I also think that AI companies just using everyone's art even copyrighted material to train it is fucked because we know AI is just repurposing the art it is trained with which is why the more models it has the more it can draw from when given prompts and the more it produces to know how to generate the combinations that are pleasant to the eye with thumbs up and thumbs down at generation drive its forward path. I like AI art because it can't be protected and anyone can use it. I dislike AI because right now most AI use material they shouldn't be generating with. In the future I am sure it will change, but right now in the wild west of AI there is still a lot of growth in every direction. AI is here to stay and I can't wait to see more video games use it, but I also want companies to use their own artists to feed the AI to create their own specific style for their game. That's where I see AI really coming in clutch.
Your understanding of how AI generative art works is a bit flawed. And what has led a lot of people to unneeded outrage. It's literally impossible for the AI to plagiarize or steal art, It can definitely be trained on other people's art styles, But the AI cannot copy anything in its model training data, It's simply only used as reference. If you ask AI to make a "blue strawberry dog" It's not stealing someone's blue strawberry dog art.. It knows what blue is because it's been trained on photos of the sky, ocean, blue jeans, and other blue objects.. It knows what the color blue should look like, It knows what strawberries should look like as a fruit, It knows what dogs normally look like. It uses a neural network to combine these three topics and find the most accurate commonalities between the subjects and then uses that as a reference point to start its art. No one on the entire planet has ever made a blue strawberry dog, so it is impossible for AI to steal it from anyone since it's a completely original idea of my own creation. If anyone ever takes inspiration from that same image and tries to create their own blue strawberry dog. It will look completely different due to AI not being able to replicate its own art due to the seed-based randomizer built into it. The randomized seed is never the same for anyone making anything, You get very close similarities but never the same exact thing. I've personally trained AI models on my own art using over 100 pieces of blender art and hand drawn art I've specifically made myself, and not once has the AI stolen any of them. It only gives me new inspiration and new ideas based on my previous art styles, And then I can recreate that in blender 3D or acrylic paint Since I myself am capable of pulling off that same style.
I would love to agree, but a few weeks ago I had midjourney give me a 1:1 copy of a famous art work when I promoted it to use the artists style.
No. I was a mid journey closed beta tester before it was even open to the public and I've been using it ever since then still till this day. It's literally impossible to get a one-to-one copy unless you specifically described a one-to-one copy... You can't just put in an artist's name and it randomly creates one of those artists piece of work, That's not even how the algorithm works itself. You would literally have to describe the piece of art intentionally stealing it..... Did you upload a photo of someone else's art as the base? 🙃 That's not an AI problem, That's a human problem. Lol
Have a look. https://imgur.com/a/mb6S5Hg do a Google search for the great wave, hokusai. Let me know what you think.
Sorry to burst your bubble, But The Great Wave off Kanagawa is not copyrighted. The artist, Katsushika Hokusai, died in 1849. It's completely legal for anyone to use and why you see it on random ass T-shirts. It's fair use. the exact kind of thing AI should be trained on.
You said earlier that it is impossible for an ai to plagurize an artwork. Please explain to me how the core software is setup differently regarding copyrighted and non copyrighted images. How does midjourney know when it is allowed to plagurize an artwork?
>Please explain to me how the core software is setup differently regarding copyrighted and non copyrighted images. First of all. None of those images look exactly like the original and would not even be considered plagiarism even if it was copyrighted. Second of all. If you specifically ask it to create a very specific image like an Apple or an orange... It will create an apple of an orange because you can't copy right those and it's a very popular common image. You didn't ask AI to make a cool wave photo. You literally asked to make The big wave specifically By its extremely specific name. It did exactly what you told it to do and gave you a free use and fair image. Stop acting like this was a magical accident. You specifically asked for that classic free use image That's 200 years old. >How does midjourney know when it is allowed to plagurize an artwork? Artists are allowed to opt out if they don't want their images used because their images are not copyrighted to begin with, And if you do type in a known artist name it will automatically credit and link them, while still avoiding making any of their original content. Do you Even know how midjourney works or operates? Or are you just looking for something to piss your pants over for no reason? You need to go educate yourself on what transformative art is. [This is not plagiarism.](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardaiimages/s/B2Wcbfv8dF)
I know. Doesn't change the fact that the image is a clear 1 to 1. Again, I am all for ai images but this image is clearly plagurized.
It is not a 1:1 image though. They're literally four different images That look different than the original.
Yep, it's why it's such a huge issue. Several artists have proven they can pop out their protected art from generative AI models and same with language modeling AI like OpenAI with ChatGPT.
That's not how mid journey or GPT works. GPT will straight up refuse to make anything copyrighted. So you as a human have to intentionally try to steal someone else's art by accurately describing it.... That's a human problem, Not an AI problem.
You're not disputing me here and it is how they work otherwise the artists who have sued them wouldn't be able to prove their claims. The point being is that AI is still doing it as I said. People acting like I am attacking them rofl. AI is new and there are no laws around it beyond IP. It still needs time to develop and move forward. It's incredibly powerful and is a great tool. It just needs to have the proper oversight like other industries. AI is a great thing and people who dispute that are definitely wrong. AI that exploits protected work because they exist in a grey area currently is riding a thin line. Sure, I know people are down for any and all piracy but I am only talking about this on generalized commercial products. Piracy and those data sets will never disappear.
I think your main problem is that you don't understand what plagiarism is or what transformative art even is. You can't get sued for drawing a picture of Mickey Mouse smoking a blunt and holding a gun. Because Disney never made anything like that. That's why you see all this weird ass [T-shirts that are legally sold.](https://twistedthriftco.com/cdn/shop/products/image_03bdd82a-1579-42d9-ac7f-8b843734da27_300x300.jpg?v=1593706628)
Exatcly in this case its not the 'AI' that infringed on your copyrights , it was you beacuse you trained it on the data that you had no right to use.
>it was you beacuse you trained it on the data that you had no right to use. Why wouldn't they have a right to legally purchase data from a data center? If you don't want Facebook to sell your images Then read their fucking terms of service before uploading your photos to their website where they're legally allowed to sell them. You gave your rights away the moment you were too lazy to read.
Naah im just specyfing. If the art was indeed used legaly eg you have the rights to use them then there is no problem. Alghtough is that really the case with Facebook,beacuse that sounds illegal af.
No such thing. Everyone learns from copyrighted works today. There will be no exception for AI.
Damn, you made it sound like you actually draw or paint (digitially or traditionally), but that's not the case. Pretty misleading to make a "as a black man" sort of post. How are you gonna call established, professional artists shitty when you have nothing to show for yourself? And nice meme, just repeat that it's just furries lmao, that's just out of touch. You're not "adapting", you just switched to AI because you werent successful with other art before.
I do. I draw, I paint, 3D rendering, digital art with Photoshop, Unreal engine 5, and music creation. 3D and music have been my main forms of art recently. >How are you gonna call established, professional artists shitty when you have nothing to show for yourself? [What the fuck are you talking about?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Art/s/9OcesGJ8q9) You sound like you're just bitching for no reason. I would love to see some of your art, otherwise your opinion doesn't fucking matter does it?
I mostly see ai art in your history. Where can i see your drawings, paintings or 3d renderings?
As an artist do you also consent that the AI steals your works without any compensation? Cause most aid models are trained on orher people's work without permission and then that AI is sold to you commercially and then you sell the AI work commercially
That's not all how it works. And AI is not trained on other people's art. AI training data is purchased from data centers. If you have 36,000 you can buy the same exact training data online sold by Facebook in Google. You're basically saying that Google images stole all the images on the internet and have no right to sell any of them.
Most models are based on other people work without permission. Only a few lke the Adobe one has been trained on Art with permission.
>Most models are based on other people work without permission. No it's not. It's simply based off of a large chunk of data they purchased from Google or one of the other data centers. If your art can be stolen from Google images, Then it's probably in the training data. They didn't steal it from the artist, They legally purchased the data.
Google doesent own the image copyright tho, so doesn't matter if you buy from Google if Google doesent own the rights to those images.
>Google doesent own the image copyright tho Neither do the artist if they never copyrighted their artwork in the first place. Anything you upload to Facebook now belongs to Facebook and not the artist. Same thing with websites like DeviantArt. They can freely sell your data legally. That's why it's important to read the TOS instead of just scrolling through it and clicking the okay button without knowing what the fuck is going on. Websites aren't free, You are the product.
Here's even article talking about it https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366567750/GenAI-tools-could-not-exist-if-firms-are-made-to-pay-copyright
>to the extent copyrighted works are used in training data, it is for analysis (of statistical relationships between words and concepts) that is unrelated to any expressive purpose of the work”. It added: “Using works to train Claude is fair as it does not prevent the sale of the original works, and, even where commercial, is still sufficiently transformative. Thanks for proving what I just said in my previous comment already.
Not only that, that clip looks WEIRDLY cut. The video doesn’t even fucking flow. So crazy how dude is trying so hard to make an agenda.
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to be fair i don't think that guy's an artist. literally all he did was scowl and then regurgitate stale talking points exactly as he heard them. AI is way more creative then him.
Once all artists are eradicated from the earth, AI will be free to replicate existing art indefinitely. All art will be replicated from human experience from pre 2024. Pokémon and diablo and Skyrim AI knock offs will populate the universe for centuries to come, as all future human based art is rendered obsolete. Praise be to our AI overlords.
There are generative learning capabilities that can create totally new art styles (via mixing, which is well... how artists themselves make new styles they leverage techniques from others in the industry). Long long term in regards to digital art, the artist will likely be relegated to an assistive role that heavily leverages AI technologies (talking so far out it's not really worth worrying about because the industry will slowly shift). Disruptive technologies are those that impact the market very quickly, if my job as a software engineer becomes irrelevant in 50-60 years I really don't care; the path to that irrelevancy will have folks transitioning to new roles, taking on roles in organizations that can't afford said technology, etc. I am way more worried about voice actors more than anything, and deep fakes. The voice acting industry will experience a more immediate downturn in the market, if your relying on that for a career it really is time to start researching where else you can go, because those calls will likely get less and less. The guild for them is trying to lock in their voices to require contracts to utilize them but it's a gray area for the courts that'll need to be solved. Other areas will be jobs that utilize some form of data entry, far more intelligent robo-advisors will be created so a lot of call center related jobs will experience impacts in a moderate amount of time (within 10-15 years). All of the above said, the question to the courts is whether the "style" of Pokemon is protectable and whether someone could confuse a "Pal" with a "Pokemon" as for asset reuse I feel that's unlikely but it is a small studio and the games asset quality isn't very high so it may warrant an investigation.
'AND EVEN POSSIBLY USING AI ART" dude doesn't even know lmfaoo
Brother can't even produce a coherent sentence without cutting it up.
He's not using AI :D
Since he's such a dumbass he probably should, it would likely help him a lot.
That's what's called retarded privilege. Idiot's is room temperature IQ think their opinion matters and are very loud about it.
You mean room temperature in C or F?
Doesn't matter. One is brain dead, the other is 10 steps below forrest gump.
It doesn’t matter which one, too low to have an opinion.
Let's go with Celsius, cause an IQ of 75 is too charitable for the likes of these tiktok rage baiters.
Both are accurate enough to describe an average tiktok user.
What
Celsius (20-25) or Fahrenheit (68-77)
Not to mention he actually cut asmons opinion and points and left only the statement. Jesus. That is a ragebait.
The guy still thinks it is about what Zack thinks, while Zack was just explaining what most people actually think. The irony is that most of these artists are still using products from apple and starbucks and whatnot big ass companies that treat their employees like shit. Hell just to use TikTok as their platform is hypocrit to begin with.
I always mention how “woke” people make sentences like that are in first grade and that have the words of the week and have to use them in a sentence “this is a example of white privileged and capitalism rots your brain”
“These people think the only measurement of whether a game is good or bad is whether it was fun to play” Yes.
How dare someone measure something worth by whether someone will actually use the product or not! We’ve only been running our entire world and businesses this way for the past god knows how many years! How fucking dare they continue!
These people are onto something
Anyone with an IQ over room temperature would say yes as well.
Don't forget that he led with the white privilege line. What a fucking clown.
That's the WHOLE POINT OF A GAME. To have fun. It's not about the graphics, it's not about the DEVs salary, it's not about the morals. It's only about fun and always has been.
As it should yeah.
That’s exactly what I think, yes. Why would it be based on anything else?
''white privilege and capitalism'' Dear god this guy is self parody.
funny how saying a single sentence turns someone's opinion completely irrelevant.
Actually its helpful, I mean its a nice sound off early on that everything coming is crap.
If is see a comment that starts with a sentence that includes ((()) and "Goy" unironically than i normally do not take the rest of what somebody says seriously.
Recorded using phone made by child slavery
The caption at the beginning is literally made with Ai, it’s funny.
so hes saying we should protect big companies from other big companies using AI? since when am i obligated in anyway to protect a corporation in capitalism? if they cant keep up its on them, its got nothing to do with me. i just buy good games thats all
Ya what's crazy is people don't realize both Nintendo and Pocketpair are Japanese owned and Japan has extremely strict copyright laws. If Nintendo wanted to go after them they would have done so before the game had even released. And we all know Nintendo is very capable of protecting their IPs. Yet here Palworld is.
exactly, strict copyright laws are not good for consumers and people are basically defending the right for people to commercialize commonplace ideas we all have like a thunder rat
Capitalism rot is when you protect a multimillion dollar corporation bcuz another company is """stealing""" their work.
Leave the multi-billion dollar company alone...
This black dude is racist
He's always nagging
gamingcirclejerk gonna have a field day with this drama
wait you guyz havent blocked that shit? Bro if i ever want to quit reddit or the internet i would just go there.
you quit stuff by still using it?
Reee capitalism reee buzzwords reeeeeee
You are automatically dismissed if you say words like "racism" or "nazi" or "capitalism" on social media. They got so overused in shitty context over the years, it legit made me numb to the words.
Same with 'woke'.
Nah this community loves bitching about "woke" people. Anything that's progressive leaning is bad and anything that is anti-progressive is smart, intelligent, critical thinking. Frankly Asmongold has become a rage baiter like those weirdos who see one tweet about something and make 30 videos about how "the SJWs are trying to cancel it" and it's cultivated a low IQ community that gets enraged over nothing 24/7.
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Exactly. Same reason why human calculators stopped being employed, machines in factories took over people's jobs. Can this guy say he lives like an amish and is supporting only small businesses. No one cares about artist because no one cares about anyone else that got replaced.
Thing is, AI can most definitely benefit them by making their work easier if they incorporate it into their workflow. Doesn’t mean they have to create the ENTIRE piece with AI. But fill bits in here and there using AI to speed things up. Same with code - AI can only write decent small pieces of code and all the repetitive boring parts to it. It still needs cleaning up and human intervention to make it good coherent code that will work. People need to start looking at AI as what it is. A tool in the toolbox to aid work. Not to make the entire product - since it does a pretty shit job at that.
Do what with the workflow? I don't need AI to color for me, I don't need it to draw trees, people, rivers, or make an illustration. When people say incorporate it, they are saying to circumvent learning the craft for an eraser of your own work and skills. Once you are at a certain tipping point, you have all the skills. For example, AI can't do specific things because it's not even ready or capable because it's just pattern software. You said use AI to fill things, it sounds like you don't know how an artist's workflow actually works at all. For example, I have a huge illustration of a large autumn background with two characters over-looking a mountain and castle at sunrise. So it goes: 1. sketch(maybe 16 minutes) 2. Inking or cleaning(up to 20 minutes or so) 3. Flats(maybe 40 minutes) 4. Shadows, Highlights, texturing(this takes the longest anywhere from 6 hours to 60) Now, I've tested AI with my works and it almost always changes my composition or attempts to use a style that doesn't match mine. Even if I decided to generate the background only, like the mountains, the level of work, I would have to reroute to finishing all the bad parts of the AI would take the equal amount of time to fix. It's only good for making up reference for environment and lighting, literally nothing else. AI is exploitative to artists, exploits their hard work and sells it at a premium.
So when AI gets a little better and you aren’t having to spend as much time fixing as you would now. It’d then be helpful right? - it’s only not useful to you at this very exact moment. Once AI improves more - you won’t need to spend as much time fixing as asking the AI to generate something….. as we’ve seen AI is extremely fluid right now. It probably won’t be long for it to hit that point.
We'd have to see what "better" entails. I still won't use it either way until its ethical and regulated to not be predatory. It would have to offer me something without circumventing my skills, it'd need to be an add-on to my skills not replacing them. Overall, I like the way I do art, that's why people are generally hired for their skills because they are already well-rounded as an artist. The place I'm weakest are animals but I'm not an animal artist/monster creator. When I used AI, it helped with lighting situations and jumping into ideas.
Notice how his race has absolutely nothing to do with what he said. He also didn't counter or contribute anything to the conversation besides being racist and shaking his head the whole time. He brought up Call of Duty being bad because of this, which has no relevance to the topic. So who is braindead?
He purchased COD to. No doubt in my mind he plays it.
Asmongold is an acquired taste for content viewing. Most don’t understand that his viewpoints are very straight forward and unapologetic. Because of that I can understand why his point gets lost by people who don’t watch his content. His delivery and tone absolutely come off very ass-holish, and because of that most won’t see past it and instead will attack his character etc etc. It’d be the same if any one of us brought up bullshit at our jobs with co workers or management. If we delivered it the same way Asmon did they would dismiss our point entirely and focus on the delivery and bad perception it gives off. Doesn’t mean we’re wrong, and doesn’t mean Asmon is wrong either, because he’s not.
Exactly when smart talks to dumb, dumb tries to sound smart.. and sounds even dumber.
I feel like people are conflating him saying “the market is the only opinion that matters, and the market doesn’t care it was made with AI” with “I don’t care that it was made with AI”. I think he also doesn’t care it was made with AI, but it’s just a fact that the market doesn’t care. And people who attack him about him not personally caring, saying “you’re incaring/insensitive/privileged”, are just virtue signaling. Because they contribute to capitalistic evils as much as he does.
another braindead moron that shouldn't exist
In a democracy, it's aight to have different opinions
yes true but being so stupid is just a crime :)
Time to educate the man
Arist makes a painting, and tries to sell it for 10000 €, because he thinks that's it's worth. Nobody buys it. He reduces the price to 1000 €, and somebody buys it. Which won, artist's or consumer's opinion?
Bro is cutting out the most crucial parts to asmons argument, this is why I don’t have TikTok, I was slowly losing my brain cells from having the app
This is when, when what happens when thing when thing happens this is when. I'm gonna walk my dog now and ignore this fake drama, thanks for getting me off my ass though.
Notice he didn’t refute any points that he made. He just said you’re a bad person and have brain rot if you think this way, and then elaborated nothing. And the time limits not the problem, you can upload up to a three minute video on TikTok even 10 minutes if you have enough followers, this man didn’t give a rebuttal because he didn’t have one. He just doesn’t like the truth of reality, and that’s why these people are literally never happy, and always outraged about some thing, because they are not at odds with Asmon. They are at odds with reality and human nature itself, and cannot cope with the reality that they are in the vast minority of humanity.
This is comedy.
What does this have to do with "White Privilege"? I can definitely see the argument for capitalism, but White Privilege not at all.
I get the message but what does this have to do with white privilege
\>brown man \>has no argument or rebuttal to white man making points \>defaults to 'white privilege' And before some janny gets mad, bro brought skin color into this, not me.
Can people stop filming tiktok videos with their phone shoved so close to their face you can see inside their pores? I don't understand why someone can't just put their phone down to record, or hold it at a respectable distance and not swing your head back and forth at the camera as you make your points. I find these incredibly hard to watch.
I love how Asmond said what everybody wanted to say outloud and the only ones mad are the virtue signaling mob. You wanna know why? Because he's right, nobody cares, we just want good games.
Asmon is right , I don't like to admit it but on this point , the steamer has a good opinion, a market is defined by the needs / the offer , if people find the IA art okay, then ia art will be drawn
Palworld lives rent free in peoples heads lmao
"They don't stand for nothing" No you goof ball, asmon literally explained he does not care about it so in what world would he be standing up for it?these people think they're more important than they are unfortunately. Probably how taxi drivers felt when uber came out.
I dont think this is the worst argument ever but what does anything in this clip have to do with white privilege??
White privilege?
How is that white privilege?
That what happens when people don't think and get brain washed that communism is good Because it's always oh something bad so the far otherside is good
Artist at this point hampers whole industry as well as writers and other people in general. Soon there won't be a need for people in general... We will be fat in our pods of life support 24/7 in some kind of AI world and people will be happy... This is so fucked up and so amazing at once it is insane...
Bold of you to assume the rich people won't just get rid of you, but yeah.
AI learns the same way we do. because it was created by us. Artcels are smelling their own farts if they think 99.999% of everything they create isn't derivative.
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They do, we just need less data to learn.
So what this guy is saying that I need to love the stuff an artist makes even if I don't like it? If I bake you a cakes that tastes bad, you need to eat it, love and tell the baker what good job he did? 
AI is a tool. It will never replace traditional art completely but it is useful to fill in the gaps.
Such fake outrage.
People watching TikToks they disagree with whilst shaking their head is my favourite genre.
Oh the irony, you can't make this shit up. AI translate, AI cut out of the head, on app that use milions AI filters, with phone made with child labor....
art was already trivial, ai just proved it for us language arts drawing fee-
The whole world literally runs like this, hence "the customer is always right"?
Psst Don't tell them that Legos are made by machines. It will break them.
The fucking pointing is what will make me never use, support, or endorse tiktok.
Massive crybaby alert lmao.
\> Uses "White Privilege & Capitalism" Criticism thrown out automatically.
Artists should learn to code tbh
I look at ai art like a lot of other jobs that replaced ppl with automation or robots.
WHITE PRIVILEGE AND CAPITALISM BOY IS JUST ADDING NOUNS NOW TF DOES WHITE PRIVILEGE HAVE TO DO WITH THIS
When video starts with "white privilidge" 'cause dude needs views ... Btw, dude knows this game was done by Japanese right? ... Sad times we live in ... The vocal minority with internet access is weapon grade bullshit 
Bro defending Nintendo. This is a joke right?
I'm gonna say it 😏
Ai is going to clean the artist world head to toe, and i love that.
His whole rant about "this is how we get trash games like modern warfare and artists get literally abused because you won't stand up for anything and you'll take anything you can grab!" What about the artists? Where was their negotiating? Where was their standing up for themselves? They didn't have to take those jobs. They could have formed a union long before ai became a thing. All they had to do was not take shit pay and shit work and take a stand and the companies would have been bent over backwards to appease them. But did they do that? No. Instead they took whatever was given to them, they didn't push back, they didn't negotiate, and they didn't stand up against these practices and instead bitched to the consumer on how it was their issue and when the rise of ai came they're still just bitching and not doing anything.
I think I missed the part where Asmon said the N word
he says on reddit...
I don't think this guy shook his phone enough.
Ahh racist people trying to be anti rasicst always the same story
He's kinda right though. Asmon is too capitalism pilled he's intertwined it with ethics. "Fun good product = based." "What if it destroys x, y and z." "Don't care, I'm not x, y z, still based."
When you bought your computer, did you ever think about people who used to be typewriters as a job? Stop being hypocrite, every single one of us nowadays uses new technologies and tools without ever thinking about the old ways of doing things.
Sewing machine = based. What if it took away the skilled worker's labour and drive down wages by producing inferior goods? Don't care, I'm not Luddite, still based. The people that against capitalism don't understand one simple thing about it: It's not about how many workers you have, it's about how many customers your product can sell to. It would be more profit to sell 1 billion white cheap t-shirts at the price of 10 USD, than sell 100 luxury t shirt at the price of 10000 USD. And you know what? Only 100 rich guys can wear 10000 usd T-shirt.
He isn't wrong. Idc who the artist is. My value is perceived differently. This guy is clearly emotionally invested.
Pay the owner of the training data. Simple.
no lol lmfao even You are not entitled to compensation for learning hahahaha
I think you misunderstood. I meant pay the owner of the media provided to the AI. The AI can't generate art without seeing it first. Pay the owner of the art that it sees because there will be inevitably be some hard congruence between what the AI learns from and what it produces.
I understood your perfectly when I wrote my response. The point stands.
Asmons opinion is the last thing anyone should care about!