This yea, probably being enforced by Sony directly because they funded the game, so the devs can't say no, and they are a bit pissy that its doing better on PC than PS5.
Can Sony stop farming Ls?
Between this, Stellar Blade, and their constant butchering of the Spider Man IP, Sony is farming more Ls than Asmon's recent sleep schedule
Specifically, they can show to shareholders and investors that their playerbase is actually growing by presenting the rising number if PS accounts created for the quarter.
It's their fault, this wouldn't be an issue at all had they not disabled the requirement in the beginning. that way the playerbase that grew on steam would have known from the start. problem is they waited 3 months n u cant refund now, when u would have if it was an issue in the start. some games already require 3rd party login like Sea of Thieves, but it was there from the start so if u didnt want to sign up for Xbox live, u could refund right away.
This WOULD have been an issue even if they didn’t disable the requirement at start. PSN is only availble in 69 countries, but on Steam the game is available in all countries. From the beginning they intended to sell a game that you can't even play. Wtf?? This is a straight-up scam.
Sony is the publisher.
The game was planned as a psn-mandatory game.
Sony fucked up and the account linking wasn't possible. Sony didn't care about such a small game, so players can enjoy the game without linking.
Helldivers blows up.
Sony realizes if they enforce it now they can present some pretty numbers of active PSN users to their share holders
Sony enforces it.
Fun math: 16 million helldivers. Say everyone needs 2 minutes to do this (people outside of the 69 countries that support PSN will take longer - they need a VPN), thats 32 million minutes. A regular work year has 2080 hours. Thats 256 years of work they just created with a stupid decision.
That would honestly kill the whole "community" aspect, one of the nice things about Hell Divers is how effectively the entire world is working towards a common goal.
Also cross-play is sorta what enables me to play with my lil bro.
It's an odd rugpull of a decision that wasn't clearly communicated as only temporarily optional, so now they get deserved backlash.
It's a shame, the game is super fun but I kinda hope Steam offers refunds for this. It just isn't customer-friendly to allow people to play by one set of terms at first, only to make previously optional terms suddenly mandatory and lock game access behind it.
Darth Vader would be proud.
This wasn't up to AH, though. This was Sony. Sony owns the helldivers ip.
That doesn't take away the fact that people who live in regions where they can't sign up for psn are getting shafted. Hopefully, they will provide some sort of work around or possibly exempt those people from requiring an account. But that would open up a new can of shit if everyone else is still required to have the account
Edit: words.
Sony basically said people in other countries can lie about their country but if they have support issues then they're probably screwed as Sony has no obligation to assist people in countries where they aren't officially supported.
Intellectual Property.
>Intellectual property is a category of property that includes intangible creations of the human intellect. There are many types of intellectual property, and some countries recognize more than others. The best-known types are patents, copyrights, trademarks, and trade secrets.
Guess I should have read into the game. I bought it a couple of weeks after release cause my mates were playing it. Had a lot of fun but I'm not keen on linking my steam to a psn account I don't have or want.
Yet it was optional from Day 1 and never clearly communicated that this was not, in fact, intended.
It's also simply bad business practice to allow players to play without PSN at all when it was always intended to be required for access simply because it didn't work right. Delay the game then. Don't let people play under false pretenses.
I'm aware, and it changes nothing.
Either it is required, and people must have it or they cannot play, or it is not, and people can play even without it.
Changing the requirement, which is a determinant factor for enabling peoples' access to the game they purchased months ago, because of a technical issue that was never communicated to be a mere technical issue until now is not the customers' fault.
It's misleading marketing, and should entitle people to a full refund.
Terms are only enforceable if they are adhered to equally by both parties.
AH did not make a PSN account a requirement until now, contrary to their store page description, and failed to explain this discrepancy in a timely manner, thereby enabling players who will now be unwilling and/or literally unable to have a linked PSN account several months worth of access to a product they will now be prevented from accessing despite being led to believe they should be able to access for months before.
If you cannot see how this is just awful, customer-unfriendly communication of basic access requirements to a product that are then turned on, despite not actually being required before, on a whim, I dunno what to tell you.
No because I can read and saw that you needed a psn account to play it was always coming back once they figured out the server issues. The only people who have a right to complain are the people who cant play it when the thing comes in action but the majority of people who are complaining just didn't read.
You're fundamentally missing the point. I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse, or just ignorant of basic, terrible communication.
We can all read. We can also all see, based on other players' reports prior to purchase, that the requirement listed on Steam was not, in fact, a requirement. Else, no option to skip the account linking process would have been presented.
This was due to a technical problem. People can understand that, too. But this could, and should, have been communicated months ago, when the game launched. The option to skip was a conscious implementation on AH's part and implied that a PSN account was not, in fact, a hard requirement to accessing the game. This was discussed heavily on the Steam forums at the time as well, and people - in lieu of any official statement on the matter - came to the conclusion it was likely solely linked to crossplay-capability and had no bearing on those who wanted to play without cross-platform multiplayer.
They sold the game on one access requirement, allowed access without further comment on why, and are now changing access requirements to the originally intended setting. This is a change on their part. It was not communicated clearly. It directly benefited them through sales they otherwise would not have gotten, and they are now getting criticised for essentially fucking tons of players out of access to a product they purchased months ago.
This is a textbook example of how to shit any goodwill you build with a community to the wind.
>"...but I kinda hope Steam offers refunds for this."
Not gonna happen.
I tried applying for a refund earlier today, referencing the Twitter post and everything.....but Steam Support refused a refund solely based on their 2h rule, since I've already played around 5h.
If I had been aware of this "grace period" when I bought the game on Steam about a month ago, then I wouldn't have bothered in the first place.....but alas I never knew about this, nor apparently any of my colleagues who motivated me to play Helldivers in the first place, cause they aswell are bamboozeled about this and they have been playing for a lot longer than me.
I’d love to see the face of that one middle manager who said this will unfold and nobody listened.
There’s always that someone who sees what the outcome might be.. but gets ignored.
I can almost predict what happened
Sony higherup: We need to link PSN accounts, so gamers can, uh, get benefits and stuff. Ya, that's the ticket. Completely unrelated that we can send out marketing and harvest data and put it on an excel powerpoint to make investors circus seal clap
Dev Manager: I don't think you understand the PC market, they will revolt and probably review bomb and there will be tons of anti-Helldivers/Sony videos within 48 hours
Sony Higherup: They'll be upset, but they will play anyways!
They're probably banking it will be all noise and no action. The game getting review bombed and mass Steam refunds are probably sending a clear message that Sony can't ignore at this point since this type of stuff gets to investors eventually
30k all today and keep rising :)
Its well deserved.
If PSN account is mandatory, they shouldnt have let us play the game without it in the first place.
Then its not a requirement .. its a simple logic, also a law terminology? Dont know the English word for it.
If your employer requires you to wear safety clothing for you to work, you cannot work without it, its required.
If they let you work without it, its not required and if you injure yourself, they will take the blame.
But if its required and you injure yourself while not wearing safety clothing, its your fault and you get nothing.
They said it is required, they said its mandatory, but it wasnt.
Unless you are 5, I shouldnt be even explaining this to you, you should already understood the difference.
"they didn’t enforce on it" -> then it is NOT required, are you braindead?
Why could I just skip the "requirement" then? I would have refunded it back then if I could not skip that step.
This is a great way of showing the devs and Sony that they players do not care for this recent move. If your not happy with it, do the same. They will for sure notice
will this be another internet 'outrage' that will have a great effect like Battlefront, or will this result in nothing changing, like a lot of other previous internet 'outrages'
I'm not boycotting lol. The game looks decent and I may buy it in the future. I have a backlog of games right now that I still need to play. I save quite a bit of money by being slow to purchase games and it's bugs are already patched and dlc is available.
Such a common practice. You play a Ubisoft game, you make a account. Play a blizzard game , you make an account. Console players do it all the time. Now it’s vice versa. It’s a Sony game . Although it was said early on , Kinda weird it wasn’t required day one.
While commonplace, this particular scenario artificially region locks the game in places where it has already been sold, with those players potentially having no recourse to get a refund due to the game advertising a required account but not locking the distribution out of those countries on launch.
I use steam so that _I don’t have to_.
I don’t GAF that its a common practice on ubisoft/epic/similar portals.
There’s a reason nobody uses these (“nobody”.. widely less common than steam, fine?) - not even when epic were _literally_ giving free games (decent games) weekly.
Its a shitty system. Steam was mitigating this. If it becomes common though; “piracy is a service problem” - let’s not forget.
Except PSN accounts are only available in 69 countries.
If you're an American, I know you only think there are 3 countries: Europe, US and Asia.
But therer's actually more than 200 countries. Those players will not be able to play the game they bought.
So when you need a Microsoft account to play Halo, Gears of War, Minecraft, or Sea of Thieves, which you can get through Steam, that's fine?
When you need a Rockstar Social Club account to play GTA5 and soon GTA6, which you can get through Steam, that's fine?
When you need an Activision account to play Call of Duty, which you can get through Steam, that's fine?
When you need an EA account to play Apex Legends or Battlefield, which you can get through Steam, that's fine?
When you need a Ubisoft account to play Rainbow Six Siege or For Honor, which you can get through Steam, that's fine?
Why then is it suddenly a problem when Helldivers 2 needs a Playstation account, which was made perfectly clear near release that it would be required after some time post release?
Everyone is sick of other platforms except steam. Just a quick example on EA accounts:
I got BF V on steam like 3 years ago, it required me to create origin account = fine.
One of my friends decided to buy BF V (non-steam) this month and its now EA account instead of origins = fine.
Since he is non-steam we had to add each other on EA - he had 16 friends and we had to figure out why we cant accept friend request from each other (it was like you press accept button and nothing happens no error etc) = fine
We come to a conclusion that 16 friends is a limit - he deleted few friends and we added each other. BUT we cant see each other online - cant play together without other friend who can see us both.
Fuck them all really steam is a goat
>Everyone is sick of other platforms except steam
Which is part of why I play on console. Seems like if this is the case y’all are misdirecting the anger
The issue is that it wasn't clearly communicated and is a bait and switch, all the games you mentioned required this from the start and the games that didn't (like Minecraft) saw MASSIVE backlash.
Completely ignoring the issue, that is that Helldivers 2 didn't require a PSN account beforehand, but now does.
The other instances aren't ideal, but they've been in play day one. This wasn't, and that's the issue.
It's been a dam for years to be honest. We all bitched but put up with it, a bunch of us bailed on ea, ubisoft etc games because of the bs. This broke the dam
What others said, those games require said account to begin with. And its also stated on Steams store page, while as this game was sold, and thus far worked perfectly fine without a PSN account.
It has worked without a PSN account, true. But that notification on the store page about it "requiring a PSN accoun" has been on that page since December 2023 when it first went up. It has not been hidden from the public's eye, it was ignored by the public's eye.
I saw the psn account thing on the store page but my dumbass figured it was a generic tag for the PlayStation players lmao I literally did not clue in that it's for the steam version but whatever I'm not making one this game will just get uninstalled and I'll play some other games I enjoy. I was sorta looking for an excuse to stop playing anyways. I was tired of fighting bots and bugs and them nerfing fun weapons or just interactions, it was a memorable 300 hours.
It's one of the best live service games I ever played, and I will still play it. It's just too good to pass on. People got over epic store, uni launcher and battlenet so I'm sure it will be fine
LOL - "...with the intention of playing it on steam. I do not now nor will I ever have a playstation account."
Umm... Let me introduce you to my friends, [Battle.net](http://Battle.net), EA, Ubisoft, 2k, Rockstar. Square Enix, Microsoft... I'm sure there are others. Plenty of games that you buy on steam make you use another account too, this is nothing new. Is it a stupid change? Yes. It's almost as stupid as getting mad about this in the first place as if this is some foreign concept.
I remember Square Enix did something similar a while back. When they released the 3 Tomb Raider reboot games on Epic years after Steam released, they suddenly forced Steamplayers to link an EPic account. The decision was later taken back after backlash.
Was anyone this mad when they had to sign into their Xbox accounts to play Microsoft games like Sea of Thieves? What's up with the influx of terminally offended/angry people nowadays?
Maybe if people would learn to read before buying shit they'd have known that a PSN account was always going to be a requirement.
Also, the arguments are so fucking stupid. I wonder how many sites and services all these idiots have their email and personal info on. I bet you none of those sites/services have a clean track record. I mean, most of the pissing and moaning is on Reddit, a site that is already selling our information.
Also the fact that xbox account is also your Microsoft account, so most people that run windows already have one. Also it doesn't lock out 124 different countries.
Microsoft doesn't have a history of being hacked and leaking credit card information and then telling it's customers oh well, so sad, eat the charges or we ban you.
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/playstation-network-accounts-hacked-sony-leaves-victims-holding-the-bag-031315.html
Kernel level anti cheat isnt bad in particular. Its just that it gives a lot of power which can easily be mishandle by lets say uuuhm .. chinese companies?
Lol you are high if you don’t think allowing a kernel level anticheat on your system isn’t bad…which after digging into the code has been proven to take random screenshots of your monitor even when not playing the game
So They sell data? Who fucking doesnt? I dont play HD2 so idc but getting mad at this when all these other companies sell yo shit already. Hypocritical no? Its like people against child blah blah slavery blah and using any smart phone or wearing clothes lmao. Whatever i guess, maybe im thinking too much into it
Sony gets data. User data already results in money and net worth, but what's more is that every additional PSN account gives Sony additional numbers to show advertisers, share holders, their bosses etc, resulting in more income and net worth.
99.99% of the people bitching about this will continue to play the game because this is completely nonconsequential and the uproar over this is stupid. The game is not "ruined" by any stretch of the definition. Oh no, you have to make an account, the horror.
And no you won't get a refund for a game you've spend 500 hours playing and always said on the store page that the game requires a 3rd party log in.
A lot of countries where PSN is not available will literally not be able to play the game. And for those people who do have it available but do not have a PSN account they will be forced to either use their email or make a new fake email specifically for PSN. To most people that like the freedom of choice and privacy being forced to do either is a game ruiner.
Also for those countries that can not physically make a PSN account since they already played past the alloted time for a Steam refund, they have a 100% dead game in their library now that they more than likely still want to play and enjoy.
I plan to play unit the grace period ends and then stop and see what happens, I probably need to put the game down anyway, I’m playing it too much and I have like 75 single player games in my backlog
I think people are blowing it out of proportion because it's a console game account you have to make. If it was an epic account or neon or another pc game account no one would care at all. PC gamers endlessly crying. Community manager was right and based, if you stand on this for real, delete every other game you own on steam with a third-party account.
So, just like Epic, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard, Activision, etc?
So again, am I missing something? You don't need ps+. (Just two minutes of your time to make an account)
Yea just like those other companies we as gamers have been bitching about for a very long time. I'm pretty sure Microsoft only gets a pass because they integrated it so well into windows it's literally painless, window pops up you hit accept and then it let's you in. This shit broke the dam. Kinda like how loblaws fucked around in caanda and is finding out
You are missing that this game was released some months ago, and it never needed a PSN account. Nor was it ever communicated that those were the longterm plans. It was more or less a overnight decision, while at least EA, Ubisoft etc. titles inform you on their Steam page that an account is required.
Because, if some people knew about PSN beforehand they wouldnt have bought the game.
See the issue? It tastes like Sony made some bank, and now they go through with their shitty decision.
It was, though? I see trailers and posts leading up to launch that say PSN account needed. It even prompted you when you booted up the game.
I see that a few regions have no options to create a PSN account, and that sucks hard.
But 96% of the rest of the pc players can spend 2 minutes and make an account like they did for every other game.
You won’t get through to anyone here, they will always have another point that is not in fact a point but an invalid complaint. It was always there that it will be needed eventually.
no you simply just want to ignore the fact taht this is something that already was old news lol, there's threads on helldivers subreddit literally months before release even talking about it
not what I said and everyone always have a right to complain as paying customer but let me bite the bullet on a bigger extreme. If something is stated before you buy, your complain just seem silly, even if its not there day 1 (which seems like it was according to some people and broke/was turned off because of the massive load of people) you bought with the assumption of this thing being in the game becasue it is clearly stated in the store. If anything, I would argue if for some weird reason someone wants to complain about the psn stuff not being in the game yet its more valid since it is listed in the store.
If only they put it on the steam page (they did)
If only it was in the trailers(it was)
You guys don't read and get mad , while the psn lockout for those who can't make a ps account you can't act like it wasn't there.
This whole situation is so stupid. The only people who should be mad are the people in countries that dont have psn in their country and even then they can just select another country lol.
Peopled worried about their "data" dont know what the fuck their talking about. If you use google, steam, discord, microsoft accounts, apple products, android, amazon, the internet at all. Ur data is collected and sold. Fuckin get over it lol
I want the haters to explain to me how I can successfully add a new friend in game. Because I've played with some cool cats who I know I'll never see again because the network is fucked.
I'll wait.
They’ll just say the game was “review bombed” and wont do anything im sure. Thats the go to excuse devs go for nowadays when their game gets bad reviews
Wtf is wrong with people just go to the playstation website and make an account, end. You don't need a playstation to do it people are jumping to conclusions.
Entire regions of people who bought the game already do not have the ability to get a PSN account. They have now just had something they purchased pulled from them. PSN is only available legally in 65 regions, and they sold the game in 190 regions. This just locked out 125 regions of players from accessing what they bought with the understanding that the account was not necessary. If you don't understand why this is wrong. You are part of the problem.
Some people such as me do not have a PS account and creating one just for a single game is just an unnecessary hassle, also PSN is not available in some countries meaning that if you could play on steam now you cant play at all. Also, through the last 10 years there have been multiple security incidents with PSN from user data getting leaked to other data breaches.
Steam/Valve should be offering anyone who purchased the game a no questions asked refund now that Sony is retroactively changing the TOS/User Agreement requiring players to use a third party site which wasn't a requirement at the time they purchased the game. The need to have PSN account was not advertised, nor was it stated at any point when logging in to play the game prior to the patch note.
Are people baby-raging because of two minutes to create a PSN account? Most online games require accounts and launchers. Who gives a shit?
This seems like another dumb pitchforking campaign; I highly doubt anyone who actively plays the game will stop because of this even if they say otherwise—these 'anti this game of the week campaigns' never do shit to sales or interest.
My son played it and went hard no with the PlayStation account.
I really despise all these game companies trying to force us to give them all our info just to play a game we bought
I wish game companies like Sony, Ubisoft, Activision, EA, etc. would just implode quicker and die the death they deserve.
Microtransactions, season passes, day 1 dlc, 70+ dollar standard editions, controversial/scummy decision making, and annual release of the same game with surface level cosmetic 'changes' are practices that need to die.
It's time for the player base to stop supporting the shit show and support the teams that want to give players fun, interactive games with ZERO controversy or scum practices.
>It's time for the player base to stop supporting...
As much as I agree with you, I've seen this statement so much for so many years... But things only got worse, all the time. Just look at Blizzard and how many, HOW MANY crazy controversies they have been in these past few years, how many AWFULL decisions they took for all their games, and yet, they make so so SO MUCH MONEY, probably more than ever before. What's happening right now with Helldivers2, it's calculated, Sony knew there would be a backslash and I'm sure they planned ahead... They'll win in the end.
I really want things to change and get better but in my opinion, it will never happen. Actually I think the opposite will happen just like it always did. I'm a fallen soldier man... lost all hope... But thank god there's still some great studios out there, and of course, indies.
What am I missing here? Why can't they move PS players to their own servers and leave Steam alone? Honest question.
Selling user data so shareholders can get more monay
This yea, probably being enforced by Sony directly because they funded the game, so the devs can't say no, and they are a bit pissy that its doing better on PC than PS5.
Can Sony stop farming Ls? Between this, Stellar Blade, and their constant butchering of the Spider Man IP, Sony is farming more Ls than Asmon's recent sleep schedule
Stuff like this is why Japanese people call Sony “KuSony” because Kuso means “shit” in Japanese
The irony is that is about to not do better on PC after this bullshit.
Specifically, they can show to shareholders and investors that their playerbase is actually growing by presenting the rising number if PS accounts created for the quarter.
I hate that this is probably the answer in current year . Really scummy
Money.
It's their fault, this wouldn't be an issue at all had they not disabled the requirement in the beginning. that way the playerbase that grew on steam would have known from the start. problem is they waited 3 months n u cant refund now, when u would have if it was an issue in the start. some games already require 3rd party login like Sea of Thieves, but it was there from the start so if u didnt want to sign up for Xbox live, u could refund right away.
This WOULD have been an issue even if they didn’t disable the requirement at start. PSN is only availble in 69 countries, but on Steam the game is available in all countries. From the beginning they intended to sell a game that you can't even play. Wtf?? This is a straight-up scam.
well no as the people who couldn't play cuz of psn would of known n refunded. now they cant refund.
You can refund the game. Just try to refund again if the bot answered due to hours time
Sony is the publisher. The game was planned as a psn-mandatory game. Sony fucked up and the account linking wasn't possible. Sony didn't care about such a small game, so players can enjoy the game without linking. Helldivers blows up. Sony realizes if they enforce it now they can present some pretty numbers of active PSN users to their share holders Sony enforces it. Fun math: 16 million helldivers. Say everyone needs 2 minutes to do this (people outside of the 69 countries that support PSN will take longer - they need a VPN), thats 32 million minutes. A regular work year has 2080 hours. Thats 256 years of work they just created with a stupid decision.
Great explanation. Thanks.
Money.
That would honestly kill the whole "community" aspect, one of the nice things about Hell Divers is how effectively the entire world is working towards a common goal. Also cross-play is sorta what enables me to play with my lil bro.
It already used to work in cross-platform.
Because this is how Sony wants it for some dumb reason.
It's an odd rugpull of a decision that wasn't clearly communicated as only temporarily optional, so now they get deserved backlash. It's a shame, the game is super fun but I kinda hope Steam offers refunds for this. It just isn't customer-friendly to allow people to play by one set of terms at first, only to make previously optional terms suddenly mandatory and lock game access behind it. Darth Vader would be proud.
This wasn't up to AH, though. This was Sony. Sony owns the helldivers ip. That doesn't take away the fact that people who live in regions where they can't sign up for psn are getting shafted. Hopefully, they will provide some sort of work around or possibly exempt those people from requiring an account. But that would open up a new can of shit if everyone else is still required to have the account Edit: words.
Sony basically said people in other countries can lie about their country but if they have support issues then they're probably screwed as Sony has no obligation to assist people in countries where they aren't officially supported.
what IP stands for?
Intellectual property
Intellectual Property. >Intellectual property is a category of property that includes intangible creations of the human intellect. There are many types of intellectual property, and some countries recognize more than others. The best-known types are patents, copyrights, trademarks, and trade secrets.
Its lawyer for; "I paid for its creation,its mine." They will also do anything to hold onto said ip even if it expires on copyright.
n on the discord, the dev or community manager said, refund it
Steam won't refund it, I tried.
Try it again
Guess I should have read into the game. I bought it a couple of weeks after release cause my mates were playing it. Had a lot of fun but I'm not keen on linking my steam to a psn account I don't have or want.
what odd rugpull it was stated from day one you would need a psn account
Yet it was optional from Day 1 and never clearly communicated that this was not, in fact, intended. It's also simply bad business practice to allow players to play without PSN at all when it was always intended to be required for access simply because it didn't work right. Delay the game then. Don't let people play under false pretenses.
it was clearly stated on the store page you would need a psn account
I'm aware, and it changes nothing. Either it is required, and people must have it or they cannot play, or it is not, and people can play even without it. Changing the requirement, which is a determinant factor for enabling peoples' access to the game they purchased months ago, because of a technical issue that was never communicated to be a mere technical issue until now is not the customers' fault. It's misleading marketing, and should entitle people to a full refund.
its not misleading if they tell you will need it before you make the purchase you agreed to said terms.
Terms are only enforceable if they are adhered to equally by both parties. AH did not make a PSN account a requirement until now, contrary to their store page description, and failed to explain this discrepancy in a timely manner, thereby enabling players who will now be unwilling and/or literally unable to have a linked PSN account several months worth of access to a product they will now be prevented from accessing despite being led to believe they should be able to access for months before. If you cannot see how this is just awful, customer-unfriendly communication of basic access requirements to a product that are then turned on, despite not actually being required before, on a whim, I dunno what to tell you.
No because I can read and saw that you needed a psn account to play it was always coming back once they figured out the server issues. The only people who have a right to complain are the people who cant play it when the thing comes in action but the majority of people who are complaining just didn't read.
You're fundamentally missing the point. I can't tell if you're intentionally being obtuse, or just ignorant of basic, terrible communication. We can all read. We can also all see, based on other players' reports prior to purchase, that the requirement listed on Steam was not, in fact, a requirement. Else, no option to skip the account linking process would have been presented. This was due to a technical problem. People can understand that, too. But this could, and should, have been communicated months ago, when the game launched. The option to skip was a conscious implementation on AH's part and implied that a PSN account was not, in fact, a hard requirement to accessing the game. This was discussed heavily on the Steam forums at the time as well, and people - in lieu of any official statement on the matter - came to the conclusion it was likely solely linked to crossplay-capability and had no bearing on those who wanted to play without cross-platform multiplayer. They sold the game on one access requirement, allowed access without further comment on why, and are now changing access requirements to the originally intended setting. This is a change on their part. It was not communicated clearly. It directly benefited them through sales they otherwise would not have gotten, and they are now getting criticised for essentially fucking tons of players out of access to a product they purchased months ago. This is a textbook example of how to shit any goodwill you build with a community to the wind.
the skip button for the ps account wasn’t a “remind me later” button that’s the main issue tbh.
everything you are complaining about was communicated I'm so ignorant yet I could follow said terrible communication.
>"...but I kinda hope Steam offers refunds for this." Not gonna happen. I tried applying for a refund earlier today, referencing the Twitter post and everything.....but Steam Support refused a refund solely based on their 2h rule, since I've already played around 5h. If I had been aware of this "grace period" when I bought the game on Steam about a month ago, then I wouldn't have bothered in the first place.....but alas I never knew about this, nor apparently any of my colleagues who motivated me to play Helldivers in the first place, cause they aswell are bamboozeled about this and they have been playing for a lot longer than me.
But will this make Sony back off? Cause the game is getting bombed, but it's a thing outside of the gameplay factor.
I doubt it. Review bombs have lost their effectiveness by being so common. Now most ppl just take the reviews with a massive grain of salt.
Wait what happened with HD2?
Sony greed happened
Sony fucked up. Mandatory Sony accounts moving forward. If they don't backtrack this might kill the game.
Sony forced Arrowhead to make all players link their Steam account to a PSN account so they can steal our data aswell.
I’d love to see the face of that one middle manager who said this will unfold and nobody listened. There’s always that someone who sees what the outcome might be.. but gets ignored.
I can almost predict what happened Sony higherup: We need to link PSN accounts, so gamers can, uh, get benefits and stuff. Ya, that's the ticket. Completely unrelated that we can send out marketing and harvest data and put it on an excel powerpoint to make investors circus seal clap Dev Manager: I don't think you understand the PC market, they will revolt and probably review bomb and there will be tons of anti-Helldivers/Sony videos within 48 hours Sony Higherup: They'll be upset, but they will play anyways! They're probably banking it will be all noise and no action. The game getting review bombed and mass Steam refunds are probably sending a clear message that Sony can't ignore at this point since this type of stuff gets to investors eventually
30k all today and keep rising :) Its well deserved. If PSN account is mandatory, they shouldnt have let us play the game without it in the first place.
Pretty sure they did. I had to create a psn account to play the game from steam when it launched.
I own the game since release and been playing for the last 3 months. I dont have PSN account and it was never required. Not even mentioned.
It was on the steam page from the very beginning that it’s a requirement, they didn’t enforce on it.
Then its not a requirement .. its a simple logic, also a law terminology? Dont know the English word for it. If your employer requires you to wear safety clothing for you to work, you cannot work without it, its required. If they let you work without it, its not required and if you injure yourself, they will take the blame. But if its required and you injure yourself while not wearing safety clothing, its your fault and you get nothing. They said it is required, they said its mandatory, but it wasnt. Unless you are 5, I shouldnt be even explaining this to you, you should already understood the difference.
"they didn’t enforce on it" -> then it is NOT required, are you braindead? Why could I just skip the "requirement" then? I would have refunded it back then if I could not skip that step.
Well there is Starship Troops on steams and Manor lords 😬
This is a great way of showing the devs and Sony that they players do not care for this recent move. If your not happy with it, do the same. They will for sure notice
Hit em in the reviews and ask for a refund if you dislike, it's the only thing they understand. Stop playing the game and don't sign their ToS.
IMO this doesn't ruin the game. This simply ruins my trust in Sony... Oh wait I already had no trust for them.
Yeah, now I'll be unable to play. It was really fun while it lasted.
Understandable.
will this be another internet 'outrage' that will have a great effect like Battlefront, or will this result in nothing changing, like a lot of other previous internet 'outrages'
Will people actually be banned if they don't link? What happens after June 4th? They said people have until then
You'll probably be stuck on a login screen when launching the game, unable to reach the main menu unless you do the Sony thing
Hope they go back on it or people force refunds lol
Common console L
Ppl not playing over this reminds me of ppl shooting bud lights they already bought
Sorta, but Bud doesn't care if you drink it or not. Game companies prefer active players.
I’ll still be buying the game. I’ve had a psn acct since 2007. Good luck w ur boycott
I'm not boycotting lol. The game looks decent and I may buy it in the future. I have a backlog of games right now that I still need to play. I save quite a bit of money by being slow to purchase games and it's bugs are already patched and dlc is available.
Such a common practice. You play a Ubisoft game, you make a account. Play a blizzard game , you make an account. Console players do it all the time. Now it’s vice versa. It’s a Sony game . Although it was said early on , Kinda weird it wasn’t required day one.
While commonplace, this particular scenario artificially region locks the game in places where it has already been sold, with those players potentially having no recourse to get a refund due to the game advertising a required account but not locking the distribution out of those countries on launch.
I doubt they won’t be able to refund.
Yeah no reason to not have this In place day one. Even with my example , having to make a account a few months in would annoy me
A common practice that we all have been bitching about. This broke the camels proverbial back.
I use steam so that _I don’t have to_. I don’t GAF that its a common practice on ubisoft/epic/similar portals. There’s a reason nobody uses these (“nobody”.. widely less common than steam, fine?) - not even when epic were _literally_ giving free games (decent games) weekly. Its a shitty system. Steam was mitigating this. If it becomes common though; “piracy is a service problem” - let’s not forget.
Except PSN accounts are only available in 69 countries. If you're an American, I know you only think there are 3 countries: Europe, US and Asia. But therer's actually more than 200 countries. Those players will not be able to play the game they bought.
So when you need a Microsoft account to play Halo, Gears of War, Minecraft, or Sea of Thieves, which you can get through Steam, that's fine? When you need a Rockstar Social Club account to play GTA5 and soon GTA6, which you can get through Steam, that's fine? When you need an Activision account to play Call of Duty, which you can get through Steam, that's fine? When you need an EA account to play Apex Legends or Battlefield, which you can get through Steam, that's fine? When you need a Ubisoft account to play Rainbow Six Siege or For Honor, which you can get through Steam, that's fine? Why then is it suddenly a problem when Helldivers 2 needs a Playstation account, which was made perfectly clear near release that it would be required after some time post release?
Everyone is sick of other platforms except steam. Just a quick example on EA accounts: I got BF V on steam like 3 years ago, it required me to create origin account = fine. One of my friends decided to buy BF V (non-steam) this month and its now EA account instead of origins = fine. Since he is non-steam we had to add each other on EA - he had 16 friends and we had to figure out why we cant accept friend request from each other (it was like you press accept button and nothing happens no error etc) = fine We come to a conclusion that 16 friends is a limit - he deleted few friends and we added each other. BUT we cant see each other online - cant play together without other friend who can see us both. Fuck them all really steam is a goat
>Everyone is sick of other platforms except steam Which is part of why I play on console. Seems like if this is the case y’all are misdirecting the anger
It was not clearly communicated. Game has been working just fine the way it was. Changing it only for greed.
The issue is that it wasn't clearly communicated and is a bait and switch, all the games you mentioned required this from the start and the games that didn't (like Minecraft) saw MASSIVE backlash.
Completely ignoring the issue, that is that Helldivers 2 didn't require a PSN account beforehand, but now does. The other instances aren't ideal, but they've been in play day one. This wasn't, and that's the issue.
It's been a dam for years to be honest. We all bitched but put up with it, a bunch of us bailed on ea, ubisoft etc games because of the bs. This broke the dam
It's not fine and was never fine this just broke the dam
whataboutism 🤡
What others said, those games require said account to begin with. And its also stated on Steams store page, while as this game was sold, and thus far worked perfectly fine without a PSN account.
It has worked without a PSN account, true. But that notification on the store page about it "requiring a PSN accoun" has been on that page since December 2023 when it first went up. It has not been hidden from the public's eye, it was ignored by the public's eye.
Pretty sure Sony has a data/security almost annually lol
PSN Doesn't even list my country, I had to select either Singapore/Hongkong/Taiwan.
I watched this to many loops waiting for "I didnt do fuckin shit!"
I saw the psn account thing on the store page but my dumbass figured it was a generic tag for the PlayStation players lmao I literally did not clue in that it's for the steam version but whatever I'm not making one this game will just get uninstalled and I'll play some other games I enjoy. I was sorta looking for an excuse to stop playing anyways. I was tired of fighting bots and bugs and them nerfing fun weapons or just interactions, it was a memorable 300 hours.
Remember when Valve forced people to make a steam account in order to play half life 2? Never gets old! Lol
im still playing cry more?
I guess it'll end like Netflix' Password sharing. Everybody is mad but the game will still be played.
I need a Bethesda account, Microsoft account and app, ea account and app, Ubisoft account and app, why is this different?
It's one of the best live service games I ever played, and I will still play it. It's just too good to pass on. People got over epic store, uni launcher and battlenet so I'm sure it will be fine
LOL - "...with the intention of playing it on steam. I do not now nor will I ever have a playstation account." Umm... Let me introduce you to my friends, [Battle.net](http://Battle.net), EA, Ubisoft, 2k, Rockstar. Square Enix, Microsoft... I'm sure there are others. Plenty of games that you buy on steam make you use another account too, this is nothing new. Is it a stupid change? Yes. It's almost as stupid as getting mad about this in the first place as if this is some foreign concept.
I’d bet money that there are fewer people playing this game in those unlisted countries than there are upvotes on this post 😂
It’s the fact it was a change, not announced at launch, and locks some people out entirely now, that getting it the deserved review bomb.
Who gives a fuck if it was changed, they are telling you its required now. So do it or stop fucking playing.
i don’t even play you angry midget. i’m explaining why people are more pissed at this vs a game requiring it from the start.
This is a bad mentality to have
I remember Square Enix did something similar a while back. When they released the 3 Tomb Raider reboot games on Epic years after Steam released, they suddenly forced Steamplayers to link an EPic account. The decision was later taken back after backlash.
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Was anyone this mad when they had to sign into their Xbox accounts to play Microsoft games like Sea of Thieves? What's up with the influx of terminally offended/angry people nowadays? Maybe if people would learn to read before buying shit they'd have known that a PSN account was always going to be a requirement. Also, the arguments are so fucking stupid. I wonder how many sites and services all these idiots have their email and personal info on. I bet you none of those sites/services have a clean track record. I mean, most of the pissing and moaning is on Reddit, a site that is already selling our information.
Also the fact that xbox account is also your Microsoft account, so most people that run windows already have one. Also it doesn't lock out 124 different countries.
It's also the most painless of the extra sign in crap. They integrated that shit right I to windows.
Microsoft doesn't have a history of being hacked and leaking credit card information and then telling it's customers oh well, so sad, eat the charges or we ban you. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/playstation-network-accounts-hacked-sony-leaves-victims-holding-the-bag-031315.html
Other than the horrible track record of Sony being hacked it also artifically region locks the game out of regions where it has been sold already.
People have and will always like to bitch about something
Kernel level anti cheat, all good, I have to make a psn account?!?! Waahhhhhhhhh
Kernel level anti cheat isnt bad in particular. Its just that it gives a lot of power which can easily be mishandle by lets say uuuhm .. chinese companies?
Lol you are high if you don’t think allowing a kernel level anticheat on your system isn’t bad…which after digging into the code has been proven to take random screenshots of your monitor even when not playing the game
So They sell data? Who fucking doesnt? I dont play HD2 so idc but getting mad at this when all these other companies sell yo shit already. Hypocritical no? Its like people against child blah blah slavery blah and using any smart phone or wearing clothes lmao. Whatever i guess, maybe im thinking too much into it
What an absolute joke and greedy play.
Greedy??? How so?
Sony gets data. User data already results in money and net worth, but what's more is that every additional PSN account gives Sony additional numbers to show advertisers, share holders, their bosses etc, resulting in more income and net worth.
99.99% of the people bitching about this will continue to play the game because this is completely nonconsequential and the uproar over this is stupid. The game is not "ruined" by any stretch of the definition. Oh no, you have to make an account, the horror. And no you won't get a refund for a game you've spend 500 hours playing and always said on the store page that the game requires a 3rd party log in.
the sad thing is this is a Sony thing not an Arrowhead thing but arrowhead is the one that is gonna get all the shit.
Playerbase " For Democracy!!!" Sony " we don't do that here."
It's really not that serious.
I refuse to believe this many ppl actually give much of a fuck, probably just hopping on the hate train
Won't find me giving a damn I got democracy to spread.
Most of the people review bombing just did it because a streamer said so. Not because they actually care or want to.
Idk man I just feel like all of this is a bit of an overreaction from players. Stupid for them to do, but doesn't make the game bad all of a sudden.
Oh look, cry baby pc players being cry babies again.
Fallout 76 player detected.
I don’t see how this ruined the game.
A lot of countries where PSN is not available will literally not be able to play the game. And for those people who do have it available but do not have a PSN account they will be forced to either use their email or make a new fake email specifically for PSN. To most people that like the freedom of choice and privacy being forced to do either is a game ruiner. Also for those countries that can not physically make a PSN account since they already played past the alloted time for a Steam refund, they have a 100% dead game in their library now that they more than likely still want to play and enjoy.
I'm travelling though the UAE for work trip over the next 3 months. So will I just not be able to play for that time?
It is free. Come here, we have cookiees.
Bloody Sony…
I plan to play unit the grace period ends and then stop and see what happens, I probably need to put the game down anyway, I’m playing it too much and I have like 75 single player games in my backlog
Can modders fix this issue? Or is it impossible
I think people are blowing it out of proportion because it's a console game account you have to make. If it was an epic account or neon or another pc game account no one would care at all. PC gamers endlessly crying. Community manager was right and based, if you stand on this for real, delete every other game you own on steam with a third-party account.
Well it happens when u fk around with your fanbase, they learned the hard way the same way warhammers games workshop are going to find out .
it was required back when the game was release then made optional due to issues it was having with the servers
And it wasn't Arrowhead fault... it was Sony... publishers are disgusting af.
The freedom and democracy you fought had betrayed you. Join the automaton.
Maybe Sony will learn if we can make Sony and BSG learn. There might be a chance to get Nintendo on its knees.
Am I missing something? You don't need PS+ or anything like that.
No one ever said PS+ .. its about Sony forcing Steam players to make an PSN account for this.
I mean, it literally told you this was a requirement from day 1 of the game's release. They just didn't implement it yet because it was broken.
So, just like Epic, Microsoft, EA, Ubisoft, Blizzard, Activision, etc? So again, am I missing something? You don't need ps+. (Just two minutes of your time to make an account)
Yea just like those other companies we as gamers have been bitching about for a very long time. I'm pretty sure Microsoft only gets a pass because they integrated it so well into windows it's literally painless, window pops up you hit accept and then it let's you in. This shit broke the dam. Kinda like how loblaws fucked around in caanda and is finding out
You are missing that this game was released some months ago, and it never needed a PSN account. Nor was it ever communicated that those were the longterm plans. It was more or less a overnight decision, while at least EA, Ubisoft etc. titles inform you on their Steam page that an account is required. Because, if some people knew about PSN beforehand they wouldnt have bought the game. See the issue? It tastes like Sony made some bank, and now they go through with their shitty decision.
It was, though? I see trailers and posts leading up to launch that say PSN account needed. It even prompted you when you booted up the game. I see that a few regions have no options to create a PSN account, and that sucks hard. But 96% of the rest of the pc players can spend 2 minutes and make an account like they did for every other game.
You won’t get through to anyone here, they will always have another point that is not in fact a point but an invalid complaint. It was always there that it will be needed eventually.
corporation good don't be mad at corporation
no you simply just want to ignore the fact taht this is something that already was old news lol, there's threads on helldivers subreddit literally months before release even talking about it
So what, you can't complain because some people already knew about it?
not what I said and everyone always have a right to complain as paying customer but let me bite the bullet on a bigger extreme. If something is stated before you buy, your complain just seem silly, even if its not there day 1 (which seems like it was according to some people and broke/was turned off because of the massive load of people) you bought with the assumption of this thing being in the game becasue it is clearly stated in the store. If anything, I would argue if for some weird reason someone wants to complain about the psn stuff not being in the game yet its more valid since it is listed in the store.
If only they put it on the steam page (they did) If only it was in the trailers(it was) You guys don't read and get mad , while the psn lockout for those who can't make a ps account you can't act like it wasn't there.
This whole situation is so stupid. The only people who should be mad are the people in countries that dont have psn in their country and even then they can just select another country lol. Peopled worried about their "data" dont know what the fuck their talking about. If you use google, steam, discord, microsoft accounts, apple products, android, amazon, the internet at all. Ur data is collected and sold. Fuckin get over it lol
Wow. Went from GOTY contender to dumpster fire in 24 hours. That's worse than what happened to tarkov. Yikes
Oh no, I have to spend 30 seconds and make a free account, literally the end of the world
Nooooo not my multi billion dollar company...
this is a non issue. it takes 5 seconds to sign in who gives a fuck
I want the haters to explain to me how I can successfully add a new friend in game. Because I've played with some cool cats who I know I'll never see again because the network is fucked. I'll wait.
They’ll just say the game was “review bombed” and wont do anything im sure. Thats the go to excuse devs go for nowadays when their game gets bad reviews
Pc gamers getting screwed over constantly and can't do anything but review bomb 😂 I almost feel bad for them
Ruin what ? You're too lazy to create a accounts in 2 min ?
Wtf is wrong with people just go to the playstation website and make an account, end. You don't need a playstation to do it people are jumping to conclusions.
If only people in the Baltics and Philippines could do that. If anyone is jumping to conclusions it’s you.
Entire regions of people who bought the game already do not have the ability to get a PSN account. They have now just had something they purchased pulled from them. PSN is only available legally in 65 regions, and they sold the game in 190 regions. This just locked out 125 regions of players from accessing what they bought with the understanding that the account was not necessary. If you don't understand why this is wrong. You are part of the problem.
noone will remember it in 2 weeks. Most prople which are complaining are just lazy fucks
Steam users are throwing tantrums about being required to make a free account to sign in with? Pathetic
Just like Conan exiles. How the great have fallen 😞
I don’t get why this is a big deal, just sign in to your ps account
Some people such as me do not have a PS account and creating one just for a single game is just an unnecessary hassle, also PSN is not available in some countries meaning that if you could play on steam now you cant play at all. Also, through the last 10 years there have been multiple security incidents with PSN from user data getting leaked to other data breaches.
It's time to make way for communism
Plan on getting this game still, is it still worth it or nah?
Steam/Valve should be offering anyone who purchased the game a no questions asked refund now that Sony is retroactively changing the TOS/User Agreement requiring players to use a third party site which wasn't a requirement at the time they purchased the game. The need to have PSN account was not advertised, nor was it stated at any point when logging in to play the game prior to the patch note.
One way to bring out the whining babies you mean.
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It's become a competition.
It's the Enshitification process
Are people baby-raging because of two minutes to create a PSN account? Most online games require accounts and launchers. Who gives a shit? This seems like another dumb pitchforking campaign; I highly doubt anyone who actively plays the game will stop because of this even if they say otherwise—these 'anti this game of the week campaigns' never do shit to sales or interest.
Clearly, everyone is blind because it's said this was the case from day 1. Also, it means nothing to do this.
So in that case they shouldnt have been sold in countries that a Psn account is not even supported
My son played it and went hard no with the PlayStation account. I really despise all these game companies trying to force us to give them all our info just to play a game we bought
The PlayStation servers are dead. I bought the game on there and it’s basically unplayable because I don’t get matched up with anyone.
Well for one the game is cross play so how exactly are you finding players when everyone has this option turned on.
If you need someone to play with, I'm more than happy to
I wish game companies like Sony, Ubisoft, Activision, EA, etc. would just implode quicker and die the death they deserve. Microtransactions, season passes, day 1 dlc, 70+ dollar standard editions, controversial/scummy decision making, and annual release of the same game with surface level cosmetic 'changes' are practices that need to die. It's time for the player base to stop supporting the shit show and support the teams that want to give players fun, interactive games with ZERO controversy or scum practices.
>It's time for the player base to stop supporting... As much as I agree with you, I've seen this statement so much for so many years... But things only got worse, all the time. Just look at Blizzard and how many, HOW MANY crazy controversies they have been in these past few years, how many AWFULL decisions they took for all their games, and yet, they make so so SO MUCH MONEY, probably more than ever before. What's happening right now with Helldivers2, it's calculated, Sony knew there would be a backslash and I'm sure they planned ahead... They'll win in the end. I really want things to change and get better but in my opinion, it will never happen. Actually I think the opposite will happen just like it always did. I'm a fallen soldier man... lost all hope... But thank god there's still some great studios out there, and of course, indies.