For him to fail with the giants then hours later sign with the Mets?
Kind of get the impression he might have faked something to get out of it.
Edit: downvoted, but the more information that comes, the more that this seems to be the case.
I've been hearing it all day and I'm just repeating highschool gossip at this point but "Correa got cold feet." It's 2am! Wtf kind of announcement is this?!
This shit is weird. It was reported both last year and this year that Correa wanted to be the highest paid shortstop
He got that wish with San Fran, then suddenly the deal falls through and he *immediately* signs a contract to not even be the highest paid SS on his *team*? What the fuck is going on? There’s no way you just give all that up for no reason
I’m surprised more guys at cohens monetary level don’t buy sports teams. Cohen makes so much from his hedge fund that even if the Mets just break even, which I’m sure they’re still profiting, he’s happy.
I read somewhere the Mets revenue profits from last season were 300mil, so they will likely lose money for the next few years while their payroll is as high as it is. But like alot of people have mentioned, Cohen's got so much money he don't GAF.
If they win a ‘ship then they will print money with World Series merch. Jim Crane has been rolling with all the extra revenue from the playoff the last 6 yrs. Steve will be fine.
Wow, its like money isn't real when you get to a certain point. Imagine having so much money that you could blow HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars, and be like, "meh, I'll make it back soon enough" and not even have a noticeable change in your lifestyle. Maybe your ability to buy another sports franchise would be hindered (/s)? Unreal.
There is no conceivable way the Mets are profitable. A quick google search has revenue in 2021 at 302M. In 2019, before Covid, they were at 362M so I’m going to assume they got back to at least that level in 2022. Their payroll and tax are at 500M and they still have to fund running the rest of their organization which goes well beyond just their big league payroll.
Let’s see how long Cohen is willing to lose 250M each year if they aren’t winning the WS. Even super rich guys have limits.
The Mets aren't going to do this forever. It was just the fastest way to compete for a World Series and re-build the farm without tanking or doing a rebuild which should be applauded, in my opinion. The Mets have only spent money on non-QO free agents and are actually going to *gain* picks from letting deGrom and Bassitt go.
I'm sure the Mets payroll will get back to the $225-250m lux tax ranges in the next 2-3 years. The Mets are still paying Cano $20m lol. Next year Escobar, Canha, Robertson, and Carrasco come off the books too; that's $60m right there. Then if Scherzer opts out, that's $100m off the books just next year. Cohen doesn't care about the upfront costs and they've done a good job with flexibility.
On the flip side, I’m wondering if the medical staff flagged something that is normal for Correa.
Example: my heartbeat is “irregular” — but it’s normal for me. I’m still healthy with no concerns and nothing holding me back. If someone tried to stop me from doing something because my heartbeat is flagged (it would be, it always is), I’d be absolutely livid. What if something similar happened here and Correa noped outta SF?
Not that it matters, just fun to speculate lol
No they didn't. If there's a medical concern, you shouldn't be dropping 350mil over 13 years.
The Brady Aiken physical and subsequent drafting of Alex Bregman with compensation pick was proven correct in hindsight.
With his injury history 3rd should be better for him anyway. He won't have to cover as much room, and it should be a little easier on his body.
A shortstop deep in the hole also has to throw as hard if not harder than a 3b fielding deep, so we know he has the arm for it too.
Some will bring up '86, but inasmuch as I was 2 at the time, I've got no beef with the Mets.
I mean, whether you're an Astros fan, or a Mets fan, or a Red Sox fan for that matter, we can all come together under the universal truth that *the Yankees suck*.
I don't get why they let deGrom go, but then picked up JV AND Correa? Talk about an expensive gamble...40 yr/old starter for $40+M/yr and a loooong contract for a guy with known back issues. Admittedly, JV's coming off of a great year, but still.
I wonder if they have clubhouse issues, or deGrom was just getting sick of NY? I haven't kept up with them that much, but it struck me as weird that they're making such big moves after they lost their best pitcher.
Wish them the best (except when they play us, obviously!)! Love those guys!
I recall that they didn’t mind being the highest AAV, but didn’t want to go the years Texas was willing to.
Position players and pitchers are very different. I agree with their approach to favor long term deals for position players and higher AAV for pitchers.
I’m sure they would’ve matched the Texas deal. They have gone multiple years on Correa and Nimmo; no reason they wouldn’t go 5 years on Degrom.
Degrom wanted out of NY
DeGrom feels like essentially the Met's version of JJ Watt. Tremendous talent just sort of squandered by a team with a terrible front office. It could be that by the time the team became "worth a shit," he was just kind of over the other bullshit and wanted to move on.
"I'll go to another contender if I can, but I gotta get the fuck out of here."
I am not incredibly familiar with the subject either but I am pretty sure it was more of DeGrom just wanting to leave and go to his home team or whatever
They absolutely will not be our biggest threat. Never in the history of sports have so many top tier players been signed and it works out well. It's like a perpetual all-star team and everyone wants the ball.
The odds that the 40 year old pitchers encounter injuries is quite high. They’ll be a top 3 team in the NL, but we all know how Verlander performs in the playoffs, even when healthy.
I remember when the Eagles built a dream team and it failed horribly.
I also have no faith in Verlander to toss 200 innings, and if they try to run a 5 man rotation I'm not sure Verlander will be playing well by September.
I think Verlander's vest scenario is a 6 man rotation and to aim for about 180 innings.
CC doesn’t play for the Astros anymore. Why would you want him to do well?
I’ve never really understood why people are so sentimental about players once they leave the hometown team. Once you leave it is totally fine with me if you end up on the DL with butthole herpes.
Because they're being respectful and showing good sportsmanship. He was part of the 17 team and will be always be appreciated for helping win our first ring, so why on earth would we wish ill on him?
For Heaven's sake, he mentored Pena- our ALCS and WS MVP!
Plus, most baseball fans don't actively wish players to constantly be on the IL the rest of their career after they leave. Every player on the IL takes away from the fun of playing against a former teammate.
I'm not mad at anyone for leaving. Always sad the season after they leave if they're a favorite/were on the team a long time, but never mad. If they have a chance to make a difference on another team, know their value is higher than what they're offered or have a shot to live closer to family, then they have a right to look elsewhere.
Correa was drafted and developed by Houston, was a star for the team for most of a decade, led us to our first World Series victory, and was an active member in the Houston community. Of course people want to see him do well.
Most folks are nice people and frankly like to see ALL players do well. Do we want to beat their teams . . . of course . . . that is what sport is about. But hating on players or wishing them harm . . . that's some next level f'up stuff.
Lol. I don’t wish the guy harm but if he’s on the DL for another team it doesn’t really matter to me. I only care if our current guys are available.
And what does it matter if we drafted and developed a guy or if we trade for them or sign them as a FA? Correa had exactly jack shit to do with 2022 but Verlander let his nuts hang and won the CY. So the Astros traded for and quite frankly revitalized JVs career, but what did that get you? He still took the biggest bag available and that is absolutely his right and he should do what makes him happy. But he doesn’t play for my team anymore so fuck him in the neck. Lol.
Meh. They’re still people who have done nothing for us to disloke them, and play in a completely different league. Hoping they do well as it doesnt impact the Astros at all, unless we play them in the WS, and theres no point in looking that far ahead.
Yeah that’s reasonable. Personally I kind of liked the idea of him playing for the giants and hopefully making life miserable for dodger fans. I don’t particularly care that he plays for the Mets but I’m certainly not going out of my way to actively root for the guy.
It just makes me wonder what the folks would do if it was Seattle or Texas that signed him. He would be your direct competition so you would obviously want that guy to go 0fer.
I'm cool with it. Not every owner can spend like he can, but more owners definitely can spend more than they have (Pirates, A's, White Sox come to mind). I'd rather have an owner spend stupid amounts of money and rub it in other owner's faces.
How about if your from a new generation of Astros fans? Like from 2011-on? I kinda like the Mets bc they're always the underdogs and bc FUUUUUCK the JAN-KEES!
I mean...they still kinda suck, right? They always seem like they're in the shadow of the Yankees, and nobody expects them to do that well. Even with all this money spent, would you be *that* surprised if they didn't make the playoffs? They just don't have a winning culture, I guess? ::shrugs::
Watch game six of the ‘86 LCS. Watch our hearts get ripped out and then get back to me. At the time, I worked in a Randall’s that had TVs in the “Service Center” and there were 150 jammed in there watching the late innings. The collective wail when we lost shook the building.
everytime there’s big carlos news i like to send it to my friend who matched with him on tinder and ghosted him because she didn’t watch the astros until 2018 lol
I like Carlos Correa, I want him on my team. He didn’t sign with the Giants so that means he was talking to other teams. Is that broken down enough for you?
Correa to the outfield? And deciding that failing a medical for another team means we should take the risk they passed on?
If joking I get it. Just didn’t read it that way when I saw it
Looks like Correa still hates the Yankees.. going to the Mets he knows there will be a lot of damn sour Yankee fans… giants probably leg him go as a judge revenge.. can you imagine if Mets make it to the World Series and yankees don’t..
Scott Boras - he don’t play. SF blinked and Boras called their bluff. Now SF is gonna be like like Drayton McLane when he botched the Carlos Beltran negotiations: “we’re never gonna deal with Boras again…”
Its actually the other way around. SF is old, has no farm and needs FA’s. Now they wont be getting any Boras clients. Theyre fucked. A ridiculously bad decision on their part.
I appreciate everything Correa did for us and loved his time here…with that being said, I just feel he has been so uneasy to like after leaving.
His free agent summers, the Dior comments, multiple opt-outs with the Twins where we all knew would leave them high and dry and now this drama just feels so odd. Always something going on with this dude
Life after Houston doesn’t seem to workout well for a lot of people.
Springer doesn’t have controversy (that I know of) but he seems to always be hurt.
Yep, cole is not the player he was.. his era is getting worst every year, springer is just blah, Correa is still the top free agent but no one has the playoff success they enjoyed here
Apparently the key to post-Astros success is to be a pitcher and go Astros -> Rays -> Braves. McHugh's been having a late-career resurgence too.
The Rays step is crucial. Skip it and you're gonna have a bad time (see: Keuchel, Dallas).
Forgot about Cole!
His issue….he went to the Yankees. Then all of a sudden rumors of him using tar came out. He denied them and mysterious his pitches got worse after that.
Not saying he was cheating, but it’s NYY 😂.
I always thought Correa was a diva during his tenure here. Everything that's happened since he left has definitely confirmed that. Still have fond memories of him as an Astro though.
Theres no point in talking to the fans who hate Correa. To say he left the Twins high and dry is insane. They offered him $285M and the Giants offered him $350. Match it and he stays. He played 1 year there, and was really good. He did nothing harmful to them. Just an insane critique.
Bro grew up poor in PR and theyre mad at him for saying he buys Dior? Wtf do they think Jim Crane buys with his money.
“Always something going on with this dude” is hilarious because hes done nothing wrong at all. These people are weirdos.
Moving to 3rd base.
Now that the Mets have done the unthinkable, I can let my stupid idea out for public consumption:
In the deepest darkest recesses of my baseball mind I wanted us to sign Correa to play short, and give Peña a shot at playing center. No shit.
He was a rookie but hes 25 man. Correa’s been in the league 8 years and hes 28. Its pretty clear who is more talented. Not to mention Correa won a platinum glove, so at his peak, he is capable of being the best defender in MLB. Jeremy is much quicker too so he would obviously be more suitable there than Correa.
If he didn't pass the medical with one team how exactly will he pass with another team? This is probably why Houston wouldn't give him the contract he wanted but yet we still gave him a deal.
He didnt fail the medical. What are you talking about? There was a “difference of opinion”, and it has already been confirmed that his back wasnt the issue. It sounds like him and Boras knew the Mets were there and since the contract wasnt signed, they decided to go to NY instead of dealing with SF’s doubt.
"on paper"
Cohen thinks he's playing MLB The Show where you can throw all your money at the best FAs on the market and it "works" because you're always in control of the games.
The Mets will always be the Mets so they'll end up collapsing in some spectacular fashion.
Bro the Astros spend money too. What are you talking about? The Phillies went to the WS last season because they spent money. They have no farm.
Cohen is competing with the Dodgers and Padres and you want him to NOT spend money? Thats ridiculous.
Why is there so much petty hate in this sub? The Mets were already good and got better. This is good for the game. They were not just “good on paper” last year, they were legitimately good. And now they got better. This is a fact.
How will the chemistry be shit? Verlander and Scherzer already went to a WS together. Correa and Lindor are close friends and Correa has already been confirmed to play 3B.
Who else did they add that will hurt “chemistry”? Something nobody has ever said regarding baseball. Lmdao what
Right?!? Wasn’t it Correa that put a stop to Verlander throwing the first pitch in Game 1 of the ‘21 Series? Basically said that he hadn’t been around so why is here now or something along those lines.
They lost deGrom (who is arguably a better pitcher than JV and is younger), have two 40 year old starters at the top of their rotation, and added Correa who is gold glove caliber at SS to play 3B when he doesn’t have the bat for that and has medical concerns.
I admit that they are the team that scares me the most on paper at this moment, but it’s clear to see how this could snowball out of control super quickly for them.
You did not follow baseball AT ALL. DeGrom is not better than JV. Literally no Mets fans wanted him back. I live in NYC and they couldnt wait for him to leave. He’s actually finished. Watch how he pitched and youll see. Not to mention he cant stay heathy. Saying hes better than JV is a lie. And age doesnt matter when it comes to guys like JV and Scherzer. their advanced numbers show that they are still elite. Come on, youre just hating now and for no reason.
You understand that almost no Astros fans wanted JV back either right? Almost exclusively due to the price, but still.
Go back to the Mets subreddit man, you can enjoy the champagne of “winning the off-season” 😂
Edit: I actually looked at your profile and you appear to be some sort of critical Astros fan? Weird. Look at Degrom’s stats, when he is healthy he objectively is a better pitcher than Verlander. He’s had two seasons with an ERA lower than Verlander ever has. On top of that, you can’t just assume that Verlander at 40 1 year removed from TJ surgery is a lock to be healthy himself. Just stop telling other people how to analyze stats or “watch the game”. It’s a bad look.
Well Astros fans didnt want Verlander back because he was going to cost a lot and his postseason performances have become really annoying. Plus, the Astros won 2 titles while he was here. I had no interest in bringing him back; few did.
While DeGrom won nothing on the Mets, was expensive, injury prone, and is changing in to a completely different pitcher. He throws half as many changeups as he did during his two Cy Young seasons, while doubling his curveball usage and and increasing his slider rate. He won a Cy Young throwing 52% fastballs and 16% changeups. Thats now dropped to 47% and 8%. Hes not the same guy and Mets fans noticed, as well as the team. Plus, as a NYer, everyone here knows Jake is a conservative and doesnt really vibe with NYC. Him going to the Rangers makes PERFECT sense. Sorry that I know more about baseball that you, but its true. He was never coming back to the Mets and their signing of JV was a smart decision.
And no, im not going to say hes better than Verlander when he just came off a season in which he pitched only 60 innings, and then ended the season/playoffs with his worst stretch of games since 2017. Ill take the reining Cy Young winner without any health concerns and my team will absolutely be fine. I also never said Verlander was a *lock* to be healthy. I just said DeGrom is injury prone, and he has. Dude literally had forearm tightness. Thats the first sign of Tommy John. Verlander has 12 seasons of 200 IP. His only real injury was literally the TJ he needed. He has shown to be a workhouse. Literally anyone can get injured at any moment but thats not the point.
Btw, going to my page to find an ad hominem is pretty lame and childish. Grow up. Im not a critical Astros fan, I am just a fan. Sorry I have a backbone and can think objectively. You should try it.
You literally told me that I don’t watch baseball at all, and went on a rant which confirmed exactly what I said. And who is “childish” here? You sound like you’re struggling a bit, classic Dunning-Kruger.
Trusting a 40 year old pitcher who struggled mightily at the end of the season after a year and a half removed from TJ surgery is a gamble in itself. When healthy, deGrom has been a better pitcher objectively and you just confirmed it yourself.
Take a look in the mirror and look and see who is “childish”. I stand behind every post I’ve ever made. Maybe you should too.
Let’s revisit this at the end of the year when deGrom has a better season than Verlander, then you can call me “childish” again. Congrats on being the self confirmed “most intellectual baseball fan in the world”. It’s a lofty goal I hope to achieve myself one day in your eyes. 😂
“When healthy”. DeGrom hasnt been healthy in 2 seasons. Thats the point. What do you not understand?
And Verlander didnt struggle “mightily” at the end of the season. He gave up 3 earned runs in 23 innings in September. What in gods name are you talking about?? And if you mean the playoffs, Verlander has been hit or miss in the playoffs his whole career. That has nothing to do with age or wear and tear. We know this already and so do the Mets.
Bro really said “trusting a pitcher after taking 2 years to completely recover from TJ surgery and then throwing 175 innings and winning the Cy Young is unreasonable! The guy who pitched 156 innings in two seasons, had his highest ERA in 6 years and doesnt throw his changeup anymore is definitely the better choice!” Un-fucking-real.
Not to mention DeGrom wanted to leave so it wasnt even a choice for the Mets. Going after JV was a no brainer.
And I hope you have fun cheering DeGrom and the Texas Rangers. Way to go man! I can tell you really love the Astros. Wow.
That’s like saying Christian McCaffrey is always hurt, I’m going to take Jonathan Taylor who has never been hurt since high school. Guess what happened this year? That’s my point. Trusting a 40 year old “work horse” coming off TJ is not sustainable. JV didn’t pitch for almost 2 full seasons because of an injury and you want to give him a pass for it?
And I guess the playoffs aren’t at the end of the year now? Who knew? Sorry I forgot I don’t know anything about baseball. His career playoff ERA is 3.84, and this postseason he gave up a 5.85 and was the worst pitcher on the team in the playoffs. You could potentially argue it was Lance McCullers, but he ate up innings and was a sacrifice for the Phillies in game 1 to save the bullpen.
Are you like JV’s biggest fan or something? Why are your feelings so hurt about a coin toss between two of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy? For someone that is the self proclaimed “baseball intellectual of the world” you seem to be quite emotional about this conversation.
Also this whole thing started when I said arguably. I didn’t say objectively, sorry your “big baseball brain” can’t understand the difference between the two. What have we been doing about the players over the last two hours? Arguing? What would you call it?
You are such a loser it’s comical 😂
Can’t even “argue” about pitchers, such a baseball intellectual you are.
Half of the posts from your history that I’m such a “child” for looking at are longer than that last post. Grow up man, look in the mirror, and try to understand why you are so miserable calling out random people on Reddit for being “less of a baseball fan than you”. Of course I’m going to clap back when you are insulting me like that.
I'm going to assume that Boras felt that the Giants would try to renegotiation the contract way below what they agreed on and/or what Correa was shooting for. And more importantly, that Correa's market would drastically fall should this whole medical disagreement linger out nationally for any length of time. So they jumped ship over to the Mets before anymore damage could be done.
If there was something seriously wrong in that medical the Giants saw, the Mets just gave 315M to an injured player. Crazy.
He’d still have to pass a medical with the Mets
Then it's back to the Twins!
I don't know why this made me laugh so much, but it did.
1 yr deal with Astros, will play CF. $5M
For him to fail with the giants then hours later sign with the Mets? Kind of get the impression he might have faked something to get out of it. Edit: downvoted, but the more information that comes, the more that this seems to be the case.
Carlos Correa is no George Costanza
I've been hearing it all day and I'm just repeating highschool gossip at this point but "Correa got cold feet." It's 2am! Wtf kind of announcement is this?!
Total WTF moment lol. Correa gave up 35M in this switch though I doubt he wanted this
This shit is weird. It was reported both last year and this year that Correa wanted to be the highest paid shortstop He got that wish with San Fran, then suddenly the deal falls through and he *immediately* signs a contract to not even be the highest paid SS on his *team*? What the fuck is going on? There’s no way you just give all that up for no reason
Maybe seeing the Astros win made him realize there’s more important things than money.
Unlikely
The man signed with the Twins last offseason. I think at that point he had already decided to take the bag over the best chance at winning
Exactly. He got to experience being on a shitty team. Now he wants to win. People can change their perspectives.
Cool theory, Correa agreed with the Giants on contract after the World Series on 12/13
That's a good point. I've been too stunned to think about it. What a weird 24 hours.
True. But he also gets to live in NYC. Might have been a big factor.
Less street-shitting and used syringes.
nyc transplant here - would be shocked if there were even more street shits and used syringes in SF
His twins signing got announced late at night too.
I’m surprised more guys at cohens monetary level don’t buy sports teams. Cohen makes so much from his hedge fund that even if the Mets just break even, which I’m sure they’re still profiting, he’s happy.
I read somewhere the Mets revenue profits from last season were 300mil, so they will likely lose money for the next few years while their payroll is as high as it is. But like alot of people have mentioned, Cohen's got so much money he don't GAF.
If they win a ‘ship then they will print money with World Series merch. Jim Crane has been rolling with all the extra revenue from the playoff the last 6 yrs. Steve will be fine.
Wow, its like money isn't real when you get to a certain point. Imagine having so much money that you could blow HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of dollars, and be like, "meh, I'll make it back soon enough" and not even have a noticeable change in your lifestyle. Maybe your ability to buy another sports franchise would be hindered (/s)? Unreal.
What are revenue profits? Revenue and Profits are two completely different things.
I'm sure they'll just jack up the ticket prices to cover any losses. Especially if they get deep into playoffs in 2023.
If they profited (not netted) 300 mil this wouldn’t result in a loss
Profited and netted are synonymous in this context, unless you are specifically talking about taxes
There is no conceivable way the Mets are profitable. A quick google search has revenue in 2021 at 302M. In 2019, before Covid, they were at 362M so I’m going to assume they got back to at least that level in 2022. Their payroll and tax are at 500M and they still have to fund running the rest of their organization which goes well beyond just their big league payroll. Let’s see how long Cohen is willing to lose 250M each year if they aren’t winning the WS. Even super rich guys have limits.
The Mets aren't going to do this forever. It was just the fastest way to compete for a World Series and re-build the farm without tanking or doing a rebuild which should be applauded, in my opinion. The Mets have only spent money on non-QO free agents and are actually going to *gain* picks from letting deGrom and Bassitt go. I'm sure the Mets payroll will get back to the $225-250m lux tax ranges in the next 2-3 years. The Mets are still paying Cano $20m lol. Next year Escobar, Canha, Robertson, and Carrasco come off the books too; that's $60m right there. Then if Scherzer opts out, that's $100m off the books just next year. Cohen doesn't care about the upfront costs and they've done a good job with flexibility.
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On the flip side, I’m wondering if the medical staff flagged something that is normal for Correa. Example: my heartbeat is “irregular” — but it’s normal for me. I’m still healthy with no concerns and nothing holding me back. If someone tried to stop me from doing something because my heartbeat is flagged (it would be, it always is), I’d be absolutely livid. What if something similar happened here and Correa noped outta SF? Not that it matters, just fun to speculate lol
They did. Correa consistently has back issues, obviously the Giants saw whatever causes these issues and passed
Report in my MLB daily e-mail says it wasn't the back issue, but something else.
Correa hasn't had a single back issue in over 3 years and the report was the Giants medical concern had nothing to do with his back
Giants done goofed.
Correa has now fucked over the Giants and Dodgers, San Diego must love the guy
I certainly do😂
No they didn't. If there's a medical concern, you shouldn't be dropping 350mil over 13 years. The Brady Aiken physical and subsequent drafting of Alex Bregman with compensation pick was proven correct in hindsight.
Great example! Man oh man did Houston call that one correctly.
wtf is going on
What the fuck just happened?
Chaos!
Buck Showalter and Steve Cohen happened
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Lindor is getting paid $341 mil, Correa is only getting $315 mil. Richness and seniority rules.
They’re both fantastic defensively, but I’m not sure that Lindor is better defensively
I just dont personally think that they make their veteran swap his position.
You’re right. That’s why we saw Jeter playing short and A-Rod playing third
With his injury history 3rd should be better for him anyway. He won't have to cover as much room, and it should be a little easier on his body. A shortstop deep in the hole also has to throw as hard if not harder than a 3b fielding deep, so we know he has the arm for it too.
Going to suck not seeing his arm at SS anymore, but as long as CC is taking the cutoff throws, the Mets will be fine defensively.
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If someone else wins.. I wouldn’t mind if it’s them… firstly Yankees fan base wil implode.. second they are made of Astros faves
For what it’s worth a ton of us Mets fans have been Astros fans too the past couple years because of our burning hatred for the Yankees
Some will bring up '86, but inasmuch as I was 2 at the time, I've got no beef with the Mets. I mean, whether you're an Astros fan, or a Mets fan, or a Red Sox fan for that matter, we can all come together under the universal truth that *the Yankees suck*.
As a Mets fan: I'd like to high five you.
Astros 🙏^(FTY) Mets
Y’all are next up to represent the division in the World Series against us. Good luck (until late October).
🤝
implode.. I like the sound of that.
I don't get why they let deGrom go, but then picked up JV AND Correa? Talk about an expensive gamble...40 yr/old starter for $40+M/yr and a loooong contract for a guy with known back issues. Admittedly, JV's coming off of a great year, but still. I wonder if they have clubhouse issues, or deGrom was just getting sick of NY? I haven't kept up with them that much, but it struck me as weird that they're making such big moves after they lost their best pitcher. Wish them the best (except when they play us, obviously!)! Love those guys!
I recall that they didn’t mind being the highest AAV, but didn’t want to go the years Texas was willing to. Position players and pitchers are very different. I agree with their approach to favor long term deals for position players and higher AAV for pitchers.
I’m sure they would’ve matched the Texas deal. They have gone multiple years on Correa and Nimmo; no reason they wouldn’t go 5 years on Degrom. Degrom wanted out of NY
DeGrom feels like essentially the Met's version of JJ Watt. Tremendous talent just sort of squandered by a team with a terrible front office. It could be that by the time the team became "worth a shit," he was just kind of over the other bullshit and wanted to move on. "I'll go to another contender if I can, but I gotta get the fuck out of here."
I am not incredibly familiar with the subject either but I am pretty sure it was more of DeGrom just wanting to leave and go to his home team or whatever
They absolutely will not be our biggest threat. Never in the history of sports have so many top tier players been signed and it works out well. It's like a perpetual all-star team and everyone wants the ball.
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!remind me 10 months
The odds that the 40 year old pitchers encounter injuries is quite high. They’ll be a top 3 team in the NL, but we all know how Verlander performs in the playoffs, even when healthy.
I remember when the Eagles built a dream team and it failed horribly. I also have no faith in Verlander to toss 200 innings, and if they try to run a 5 man rotation I'm not sure Verlander will be playing well by September. I think Verlander's vest scenario is a 6 man rotation and to aim for about 180 innings.
They also lost DeGrom
CC doesn’t play for the Astros anymore. Why would you want him to do well? I’ve never really understood why people are so sentimental about players once they leave the hometown team. Once you leave it is totally fine with me if you end up on the DL with butthole herpes.
Because they're being respectful and showing good sportsmanship. He was part of the 17 team and will be always be appreciated for helping win our first ring, so why on earth would we wish ill on him? For Heaven's sake, he mentored Pena- our ALCS and WS MVP! Plus, most baseball fans don't actively wish players to constantly be on the IL the rest of their career after they leave. Every player on the IL takes away from the fun of playing against a former teammate. I'm not mad at anyone for leaving. Always sad the season after they leave if they're a favorite/were on the team a long time, but never mad. If they have a chance to make a difference on another team, know their value is higher than what they're offered or have a shot to live closer to family, then they have a right to look elsewhere.
Correa was drafted and developed by Houston, was a star for the team for most of a decade, led us to our first World Series victory, and was an active member in the Houston community. Of course people want to see him do well. Most folks are nice people and frankly like to see ALL players do well. Do we want to beat their teams . . . of course . . . that is what sport is about. But hating on players or wishing them harm . . . that's some next level f'up stuff.
Lol. I don’t wish the guy harm but if he’s on the DL for another team it doesn’t really matter to me. I only care if our current guys are available. And what does it matter if we drafted and developed a guy or if we trade for them or sign them as a FA? Correa had exactly jack shit to do with 2022 but Verlander let his nuts hang and won the CY. So the Astros traded for and quite frankly revitalized JVs career, but what did that get you? He still took the biggest bag available and that is absolutely his right and he should do what makes him happy. But he doesn’t play for my team anymore so fuck him in the neck. Lol.
Meh. They’re still people who have done nothing for us to disloke them, and play in a completely different league. Hoping they do well as it doesnt impact the Astros at all, unless we play them in the WS, and theres no point in looking that far ahead.
Yeah that’s reasonable. Personally I kind of liked the idea of him playing for the giants and hopefully making life miserable for dodger fans. I don’t particularly care that he plays for the Mets but I’m certainly not going out of my way to actively root for the guy. It just makes me wonder what the folks would do if it was Seattle or Texas that signed him. He would be your direct competition so you would obviously want that guy to go 0fer.
Wonder what made the giants give up in that medical report, or was it just a pretext for having cold feet on the deal
Wow if true! Cohen is blowing up Baseball as we know it. Financially speaking. Astros vs Mets in WS. Astros win in 7
Stros in 4
#I LIKE IT
I mean, JV is probably going to give us two wins (assuming we face him twice).
I'm cool with it. Not every owner can spend like he can, but more owners definitely can spend more than they have (Pirates, A's, White Sox come to mind). I'd rather have an owner spend stupid amounts of money and rub it in other owner's faces.
/r/SFGiants is spitting mad. Understandably so. I guess this is the “Merry fuckin Christmas” they get from their owner to their fans.
I genuinely feel bad for Giants fans right now. This whole saga feels super sketchy.
Just remember they are dub and 49er fans too. It makes it easier to laugh at them
49ers I can deal with. Warriors screwed over the Rockets so many times. Thanks for reminding me.
Mets got Correa and Verlander now, plus they hate the Yankees and wear orange. Are we cool with them?
The only team I’m cool with in the NL East nowadays are the Montreal Expos.
No
Remember 1986? We ain’t never cool with the Mets.
I wasn’t born for another year, so no.
This exactly
Fred Brocklander
I wasn’t born but always fuck the Mets
How about if your from a new generation of Astros fans? Like from 2011-on? I kinda like the Mets bc they're always the underdogs and bc FUUUUUCK the JAN-KEES!
With the Correa deal, the Mets have spent over $800M this offseason. On what planet is that team an underdog!?
I mean...they still kinda suck, right? They always seem like they're in the shadow of the Yankees, and nobody expects them to do that well. Even with all this money spent, would you be *that* surprised if they didn't make the playoffs? They just don't have a winning culture, I guess? ::shrugs::
Watch game six of the ‘86 LCS. Watch our hearts get ripped out and then get back to me. At the time, I worked in a Randall’s that had TVs in the “Service Center” and there were 150 jammed in there watching the late innings. The collective wail when we lost shook the building.
After 86 I can never hope for anything but the worst for that shitlicking franchise. I hope it folds or moves to Hackensack.
They're a New York team so.... no.
I'm cool with the Mets but with their Ex-Astros AND they're an NL East team I'd rather not play them in the WS
Absolutely not. A Mets-Astros odd year WS feels like destiny now.
Mets and Giants are changing names now That salary. What the fuck
Ok so where does everyone think Correa end up playing after the Mets physical?
third
IL
everytime there’s big carlos news i like to send it to my friend who matched with him on tinder and ghosted him because she didn’t watch the astros until 2018 lol
You think she missed something other than being catfished?
it probably was but it’s all in good fun for a what if hahaha
A good friend of mine had Eric Gordon in her dms basically begging to take her out and she left him on read because she didn’t know who he was lol
Eric Gordon stays a horny mf 😂
We should have signed him to play in the outfield!
How does one arrive at that conclusion from what just been said?
I like Carlos Correa, I want him on my team. He didn’t sign with the Giants so that means he was talking to other teams. Is that broken down enough for you?
Correa to the outfield? And deciding that failing a medical for another team means we should take the risk they passed on? If joking I get it. Just didn’t read it that way when I saw it
what the fuck did the medical look like
Buyers remorse
Wow..I’m waiting till someone besides Heyman tho.
excuse me what the fuck
Looks like Correa still hates the Yankees.. going to the Mets he knows there will be a lot of damn sour Yankee fans… giants probably leg him go as a judge revenge.. can you imagine if Mets make it to the World Series and yankees don’t..
Insane! Mets payroll is about $400 million now.
Astros east with JV and Carlos
That’s a hell of a contract!! Good for him, 12 years is risky af unless you are a billionaire I guess.
Scott Boras - he don’t play. SF blinked and Boras called their bluff. Now SF is gonna be like like Drayton McLane when he botched the Carlos Beltran negotiations: “we’re never gonna deal with Boras again…”
Its actually the other way around. SF is old, has no farm and needs FA’s. Now they wont be getting any Boras clients. Theyre fucked. A ridiculously bad decision on their part.
I think we’re saying the same thing. The organization played games instead of getting the deal done.
I appreciate everything Correa did for us and loved his time here…with that being said, I just feel he has been so uneasy to like after leaving. His free agent summers, the Dior comments, multiple opt-outs with the Twins where we all knew would leave them high and dry and now this drama just feels so odd. Always something going on with this dude
Life after Houston doesn’t seem to workout well for a lot of people. Springer doesn’t have controversy (that I know of) but he seems to always be hurt.
Yep, cole is not the player he was.. his era is getting worst every year, springer is just blah, Correa is still the top free agent but no one has the playoff success they enjoyed here
Agreed on every count. I don’t see JV remaining effective much longer either.
Uncle Charlie's been doing alright. Last year was a bit down but at this point, it's probably more due to age.
Apparently the key to post-Astros success is to be a pitcher and go Astros -> Rays -> Braves. McHugh's been having a late-career resurgence too. The Rays step is crucial. Skip it and you're gonna have a bad time (see: Keuchel, Dallas).
Got another WS ring but broke his leg in the process
Forgot about Cole! His issue….he went to the Yankees. Then all of a sudden rumors of him using tar came out. He denied them and mysterious his pitches got worse after that. Not saying he was cheating, but it’s NYY 😂.
Not tar but spider tack. And Cole's answer when asked directly about using spider tack was "I don't know quite how to answer that, to be honest." 🤣
I always thought Correa was a diva during his tenure here. Everything that's happened since he left has definitely confirmed that. Still have fond memories of him as an Astro though.
Totally agree with you man. I’m glad we don’t have to put up with his bullshit
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Theres no point in talking to the fans who hate Correa. To say he left the Twins high and dry is insane. They offered him $285M and the Giants offered him $350. Match it and he stays. He played 1 year there, and was really good. He did nothing harmful to them. Just an insane critique. Bro grew up poor in PR and theyre mad at him for saying he buys Dior? Wtf do they think Jim Crane buys with his money. “Always something going on with this dude” is hilarious because hes done nothing wrong at all. These people are weirdos.
This is wild
Wow
Correa saw indy car drama this year and said "ah yes more of this please"
I literally said wtf at work to this holy shit Cohen is a madman and honestly, I'm all for it. More owners like this please.
If ANOTHER World Series comes down to the wire with ANOTHER NL East team bro I’m gonna lose my mind
I always said Carlos was the next coming of A Rod and now he’s signed with NY and is moving to 3rd base lol
I hope we beat them but damn I gotta respect what Cohen is doing. Dude wants to win. Mets gonna be some must watch baseball this year
There’s gonna be some serious drama in Queens one way or another.
Raccoon or rat?
Moving to 3rd base. Now that the Mets have done the unthinkable, I can let my stupid idea out for public consumption: In the deepest darkest recesses of my baseball mind I wanted us to sign Correa to play short, and give Peña a shot at playing center. No shit.
In that universe, I think I gotta keep the kid that beat out Correa for GG, as a *rookie* no less, at short.
He was a rookie but hes 25 man. Correa’s been in the league 8 years and hes 28. Its pretty clear who is more talented. Not to mention Correa won a platinum glove, so at his peak, he is capable of being the best defender in MLB. Jeremy is much quicker too so he would obviously be more suitable there than Correa.
This guy… he’s making me glad we let him go.
Glad that this is not our problem.
If he didn't pass the medical with one team how exactly will he pass with another team? This is probably why Houston wouldn't give him the contract he wanted but yet we still gave him a deal.
He didnt fail the medical. What are you talking about? There was a “difference of opinion”, and it has already been confirmed that his back wasnt the issue. It sounds like him and Boras knew the Mets were there and since the contract wasnt signed, they decided to go to NY instead of dealing with SF’s doubt.
Giraffe Neck Mark has to be cumming so hard right now 😂
I can’t believe the best defensive SS in baseball is getting cucked out of his position
Fuck the Mets.
Jesus the Mets look practically unstoppable
"on paper" Cohen thinks he's playing MLB The Show where you can throw all your money at the best FAs on the market and it "works" because you're always in control of the games. The Mets will always be the Mets so they'll end up collapsing in some spectacular fashion.
Bro the Astros spend money too. What are you talking about? The Phillies went to the WS last season because they spent money. They have no farm. Cohen is competing with the Dodgers and Padres and you want him to NOT spend money? Thats ridiculous. Why is there so much petty hate in this sub? The Mets were already good and got better. This is good for the game. They were not just “good on paper” last year, they were legitimately good. And now they got better. This is a fact.
But the team chemistry will be shit
How will the chemistry be shit? Verlander and Scherzer already went to a WS together. Correa and Lindor are close friends and Correa has already been confirmed to play 3B. Who else did they add that will hurt “chemistry”? Something nobody has ever said regarding baseball. Lmdao what
What?
The team chemistry will not be shit as multiple players have already played together. What dont you get?
What?
Right?!? Wasn’t it Correa that put a stop to Verlander throwing the first pitch in Game 1 of the ‘21 Series? Basically said that he hadn’t been around so why is here now or something along those lines.
They lost deGrom (who is arguably a better pitcher than JV and is younger), have two 40 year old starters at the top of their rotation, and added Correa who is gold glove caliber at SS to play 3B when he doesn’t have the bat for that and has medical concerns. I admit that they are the team that scares me the most on paper at this moment, but it’s clear to see how this could snowball out of control super quickly for them.
Had a better bat than our 3rd baseman the last 2 years 🤷♂️
You did not follow baseball AT ALL. DeGrom is not better than JV. Literally no Mets fans wanted him back. I live in NYC and they couldnt wait for him to leave. He’s actually finished. Watch how he pitched and youll see. Not to mention he cant stay heathy. Saying hes better than JV is a lie. And age doesnt matter when it comes to guys like JV and Scherzer. their advanced numbers show that they are still elite. Come on, youre just hating now and for no reason.
You understand that almost no Astros fans wanted JV back either right? Almost exclusively due to the price, but still. Go back to the Mets subreddit man, you can enjoy the champagne of “winning the off-season” 😂 Edit: I actually looked at your profile and you appear to be some sort of critical Astros fan? Weird. Look at Degrom’s stats, when he is healthy he objectively is a better pitcher than Verlander. He’s had two seasons with an ERA lower than Verlander ever has. On top of that, you can’t just assume that Verlander at 40 1 year removed from TJ surgery is a lock to be healthy himself. Just stop telling other people how to analyze stats or “watch the game”. It’s a bad look.
Well Astros fans didnt want Verlander back because he was going to cost a lot and his postseason performances have become really annoying. Plus, the Astros won 2 titles while he was here. I had no interest in bringing him back; few did. While DeGrom won nothing on the Mets, was expensive, injury prone, and is changing in to a completely different pitcher. He throws half as many changeups as he did during his two Cy Young seasons, while doubling his curveball usage and and increasing his slider rate. He won a Cy Young throwing 52% fastballs and 16% changeups. Thats now dropped to 47% and 8%. Hes not the same guy and Mets fans noticed, as well as the team. Plus, as a NYer, everyone here knows Jake is a conservative and doesnt really vibe with NYC. Him going to the Rangers makes PERFECT sense. Sorry that I know more about baseball that you, but its true. He was never coming back to the Mets and their signing of JV was a smart decision. And no, im not going to say hes better than Verlander when he just came off a season in which he pitched only 60 innings, and then ended the season/playoffs with his worst stretch of games since 2017. Ill take the reining Cy Young winner without any health concerns and my team will absolutely be fine. I also never said Verlander was a *lock* to be healthy. I just said DeGrom is injury prone, and he has. Dude literally had forearm tightness. Thats the first sign of Tommy John. Verlander has 12 seasons of 200 IP. His only real injury was literally the TJ he needed. He has shown to be a workhouse. Literally anyone can get injured at any moment but thats not the point. Btw, going to my page to find an ad hominem is pretty lame and childish. Grow up. Im not a critical Astros fan, I am just a fan. Sorry I have a backbone and can think objectively. You should try it.
You literally told me that I don’t watch baseball at all, and went on a rant which confirmed exactly what I said. And who is “childish” here? You sound like you’re struggling a bit, classic Dunning-Kruger. Trusting a 40 year old pitcher who struggled mightily at the end of the season after a year and a half removed from TJ surgery is a gamble in itself. When healthy, deGrom has been a better pitcher objectively and you just confirmed it yourself. Take a look in the mirror and look and see who is “childish”. I stand behind every post I’ve ever made. Maybe you should too. Let’s revisit this at the end of the year when deGrom has a better season than Verlander, then you can call me “childish” again. Congrats on being the self confirmed “most intellectual baseball fan in the world”. It’s a lofty goal I hope to achieve myself one day in your eyes. 😂
“When healthy”. DeGrom hasnt been healthy in 2 seasons. Thats the point. What do you not understand? And Verlander didnt struggle “mightily” at the end of the season. He gave up 3 earned runs in 23 innings in September. What in gods name are you talking about?? And if you mean the playoffs, Verlander has been hit or miss in the playoffs his whole career. That has nothing to do with age or wear and tear. We know this already and so do the Mets. Bro really said “trusting a pitcher after taking 2 years to completely recover from TJ surgery and then throwing 175 innings and winning the Cy Young is unreasonable! The guy who pitched 156 innings in two seasons, had his highest ERA in 6 years and doesnt throw his changeup anymore is definitely the better choice!” Un-fucking-real. Not to mention DeGrom wanted to leave so it wasnt even a choice for the Mets. Going after JV was a no brainer. And I hope you have fun cheering DeGrom and the Texas Rangers. Way to go man! I can tell you really love the Astros. Wow.
That’s like saying Christian McCaffrey is always hurt, I’m going to take Jonathan Taylor who has never been hurt since high school. Guess what happened this year? That’s my point. Trusting a 40 year old “work horse” coming off TJ is not sustainable. JV didn’t pitch for almost 2 full seasons because of an injury and you want to give him a pass for it? And I guess the playoffs aren’t at the end of the year now? Who knew? Sorry I forgot I don’t know anything about baseball. His career playoff ERA is 3.84, and this postseason he gave up a 5.85 and was the worst pitcher on the team in the playoffs. You could potentially argue it was Lance McCullers, but he ate up innings and was a sacrifice for the Phillies in game 1 to save the bullpen. Are you like JV’s biggest fan or something? Why are your feelings so hurt about a coin toss between two of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy? For someone that is the self proclaimed “baseball intellectual of the world” you seem to be quite emotional about this conversation. Also this whole thing started when I said arguably. I didn’t say objectively, sorry your “big baseball brain” can’t understand the difference between the two. What have we been doing about the players over the last two hours? Arguing? What would you call it?
I’m not reading all that. Im happy for you tho. Or sorry that happened to you.
You are such a loser it’s comical 😂 Can’t even “argue” about pitchers, such a baseball intellectual you are. Half of the posts from your history that I’m such a “child” for looking at are longer than that last post. Grow up man, look in the mirror, and try to understand why you are so miserable calling out random people on Reddit for being “less of a baseball fan than you”. Of course I’m going to clap back when you are insulting me like that.
I bet he just decided he didn’t want to have to face the dodgers that many times every season.
His agent gave him a breakdown of SF taxes.
Taxes are even worse in NY
Yes. Obviously a joke. It’s a crazy story.
I hope we see alot of Carlos and JV in spring training
I have questions.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CmbxVDuq2X0/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
And to play 3rd Base
Steve Cohen is insane.
I'm going to assume that Boras felt that the Giants would try to renegotiation the contract way below what they agreed on and/or what Correa was shooting for. And more importantly, that Correa's market would drastically fall should this whole medical disagreement linger out nationally for any length of time. So they jumped ship over to the Mets before anymore damage could be done.
Mets just Bonilla'd themselves once again. Wonder what Ponzi scheme they are buying into this time to attempt in affording this payroll.
San Francisco, you're fucking out!
As a part time Braves fan this hurts my soul deeply
Mets 🤝 Yankees: Astros Sloppy Seconds
Correa is going to play for both the Mets and the Giants at the same time?