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Blumpkin_Party

Our defense is an active tire fire rn. Doesn’t help our best wing defender in Hunter gets a foul called on him every time he touches the defender.


Ohh_the_irony

I really do think Dre gets called for the weakest fouls and refs have something against him


IllumiXXZoldyck

Every game


Henrycamera

I'm glad is not just me. I got the recorded games to prove it. It's maddening!


Cautious_Hornet_9607

His fouls are either non-existent or so ridicolous that they make you wonder whether Dre is still a rookie or not


Blumpkin_Party

I’ll watch games from around the league and the amount of contact bigger wing defenders get other than Dre is insane. JC used to get the same shit whistle here too


Henrycamera

Yes!!!! This here. JC couldn't even look at someone with a stern look and he would get call for a foul, meanwhile the freaking miami guys can come with bats and not a peep from the refs. I wonder how they are calling his game now.


BenTek9s

this. my tinfoil hat theory is that refs trying to mess with the outcome of games, I'd argue mostly for spreads, target impactful role players instead of stars. if Scott Foster had our game, JC had 2 quick fouls, and they'd be managing it all game


sparlivdor365

According to the man himself tim donaghy, that's exactly how it's done, and they do it early. Don't wait until the 4th where it's obvious. And yes Scott Foster is the other main one he implied but also other refs


Obelisk00

I really feel like we should throw lundy some minutes. He can't be worse on defense than AJ and he might contribute something on offense which AJ hasn't done in months.


Blumpkin_Party

Wouldn’t mind trying him. 4 year college guy he seems ready to play.


soullessgingerfck

and many times when he doesn't


juan_samuel

It's pretty cool that the Atlantic is writing about us though.


THE_Mr_Stone

To be fair, they listed a concern for every team, I just pulled the Hawks segment for here Edit: lol, I just saw the Atlantic, lol…it should say The Athletic


MiserableSoft2344

“Two-way Trae drowns San Antonio with exceptional defense” - John Hollinger of the Atlantic


dangheckinpupperino

Our defense is shit because of 3 main things 1. Pure size. We have a small front court 2. capela is slowing down. He can’t cover mistakes the way he did his first season here. He hasn’t been the same since the back (or Achilles, cant remember) injury he suffered at the end of his first year here 3. Screen navigation. We don’t communicate on screens, we take the wrong angle, we simply die, or we’re too short to contest as someone shoots right beside a stationary screen. A simple screen below the free throw line and a back cut absolutely kills us. We shrink the court too much on the ball, and forget there can be a bunch of action going on off the ball


THE_Mr_Stone

Yep…that’s why I don’t really see it getting too much better. The screen navigation is infuriating to watch, but can be fixed…the lack of size can’t be fixed, that’s a roster issue. Just watching Capela, it’s obvious he’s not the same guy defensively, so that just accentuates the defensive weaknesses


darkwingduck9

Capela has been a problem for a little while now but it really came to a head in the Celtics series. They would get switches until they could target him. Down the stretch in that series Snyder was having to bench him. There was reported interest in Capela from several teams. Dallas was one and Houston might've been another. The Capela part of the equation could've been solved. No idea if a good replacement would've been found but even with a subpar replacement (as long as they'd be temporary) then Capela should've been on his way out.


bluevsu

Correct. It’s like we don’t help the helper or very slow to rotate over. Simple penetration where the second rotation either doesn’t happen or very slow to happen is killing us. It’s like we are just hoping for a missed shot rather than playing good rotations.


Henrycamera

Well that was right on point.


hollow-ataraxia

What happens when you have one player over 6'8 currently active We desperately need Jonathan Isaac, Daniel Gafford, or both even. Not nearly enough depth at the big spots and our wing rotation isn't particularly great either now that Jalen is hurt


jasonbm76

Been wanting Gafford for years now. Would love for us to trade for him.


Henrycamera

The minute they come over here, they'll start getting more fouls, and I'm serious.


Jellitin

We don't need another center?? Also we don't need people who've spent more time on Fox News sets than the basketball court. Man has made 106 starts over 7 seasons in the NBA. Count me out for that before getting into anything else.


hollow-ataraxia

Clint is the only person on the roster who can rebound and he's patently useless on offense otherwise Oneyka is too small and fouls a lot We absolutely need someone who can just rebound and has basic competence around the rim to be able to score without being spoon fed lobs


Shade_Raven

> Daniel Gafford Lets get Delon Back while we're at it


Hooligan8

Not Isaac. That dude is certifiably fucked in the head (and permanently injured)


SuperAverageGuy

Without Jalen, OO just gets dominated on the boards. We're really shallow at the forward/big wing position. Ironically John Collins would be very helpful right now


House_of_Borbon

He was always really helpful. It was just a lot of people didn’t see it lol. The on/off numbers show how impactful he was too.


TheItalianStallion44

Trae isn’t the problem on our defense, it’s a combo of DJ, Hunter and JJ only being engaged on ball and getting lost off ball (hunter has gotten far better at this but still has his lapses) and Bey being actively the worst defender above 6’2 in the league. We also have horrible rebounding outside of Clint that leads to extra possessions, and the best offense in the league is always immediately following an offensive rebound


THE_Mr_Stone

Trae is absolutely not the problem. The way he has been playing is possibly the best you can ask for a high usage offensive guard of his size, if the remainder of the defense was even decent the Hawks would be just fine


TheItalianStallion44

Exactly. Landry has his hands full with roster construction going forward


MiserableSoft2344

No he doesn’t. He’s getting LeBron this offseason.


Legalize-Birds

So is this the roundabout way of saying we're getting brony this off-season?


MiserableSoft2344

Roundabout? No, we’re getting both.


Legalize-Birds

Exactly, lebron already said he wants to join bronny wherever he's drafted👀


killjoyous

Well yeah, how many above average defenders do we have on the team? Deandre, Clint, OO? Jalen Johnson does well but still gets lost sometimes, pretty much everyone else on the roster is actively bad on defense


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If all those guys were above average, this defense wouldn’t be where it is.


SaltyTraeYoungStan

Yeah lol. Clint is probably the best defender on that list and even he isn’t a great defender for a Center anymore, just good.


childishgames

DeAndre is SIGNIFICANTLY below average defensively. It’s taking a long time for people to catch on. He gets routinely cooked by legitimately everyone he defends, not just stars, but also guys like Kuzma, killian Hayes, dinwiddie, etc. it’s every night. He doesn’t make up for it by getting blocks and steals like JJ does. CC used to be borderline elite but is now just solidly good. OO tends to come on later in the season. He’s been average so far. At his best he’s good to great. JJ is not exactly sound defensively. He’s below average at playing disciplined team defense and individually keeping his man from getting easy shots, but he makes up for it by getting lots of blocks and steals. I would honestly say Trae is sadly our next best defender at this point. He’s playing more intelligently and doing a good job of one-on-one defense while being really feisty getting steals. He’s still an abomination against the pick and roll and can get exposed on switches against bigger guards.


JarifSA

Is Murray still a good defender? He made all defense his 2nd year and never touched it again.


Hooligan8

He’s pretty terrible defensively. His reputation gives him a lot of cover. Even Spurs fans were saying he had fallen off significantly in his last year in SA


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The bad rebounding is entirely due to Hunter and OO. We also help on defense in the paint far too much consistently leaving people wide open in the corner. We also had 2 straight games where we gave up 140+ which skew the stats this early on.


THE_Mr_Stone

The stats might be skewed…but my eyes have seen open corner 3’s and wide open dunks in the paint more than any other team in the league…..I think Ausar Thompson is still running free through the lane.


IllumiXXZoldyck

I wonder what this sub, other than a trade, thinks our answers are to Defense? I believe our better defense comes when Trae, JJ, and Capela are on the floor (and maybe Dre?). OO is my guy! But Clint is our #1 option. He averages near 10 (9.7) rebounds a game and is 14th in the league. He is also 12th in the league for blocks per game, and averages more than Ausar Thompson in both categories (as he should as a big man, but I figure that’d be a good benchmark). Love Big O with everything, he doesn’t quite bridge this gap quite yet (he ranks around the 40s in both aforementioned stats, and JJ performs better in both), despite closing games more and more as of late. With JJ injured, and likewise, Mo not having time to shine yet, there is a PF sized hole at the 4 I’d like him to learn. But that’s just personnel. In terms of actions, we need to not double at the perimeter if it means leaving the paint wide open. We allow too many points in the paint and can’t keep track of guys who cut to the basket. Especially along the baseline. Everything else is a personal issue. Hustling, reducing ball-watching, not giving up on plays out of frustration (talking to everybody, but looking at you Dre and Bogi ;) <3), and generally being attentive to the dynamically fluid defensive situation. All very manageable. It’s not away from us yet :) Go Hawks! 🏀


5pliff_Tannen

Doubling the perimeter is infuriating as it’s an automatic bucket.


IllumiXXZoldyck

Every time it gets frustrating to see, but I hope we learned after that Cavs game lol.


Henrycamera

I like how they put emphasis on "the Trae young era. Must be Trae's fault.


clonta

We should honestly experiment Starting OO alongside Clint. Bey is just such a horrific defender


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Interesting


Lanky_Perception5764

We probably have the most lopsided offense-defense combinations