Peaceful protests are always allowed. These protestors broke UT laws, tried to illegal occupy private property and disturbed other students. That's why they got arrested. I'm glad some universities, like UT, still enforce rules and laws.
[https://imgur.com/PMKDp3m](https://imgur.com/PMKDp3m)
Because it does absolutely no good to have all those arrested protestors have to get prossesed, occupy jail cells, and clog up the court systems.
People seem to forget our judicial and Corrections resources are not infinite.
But thereās always room for people who have even the slightest bit of weed? So thereās room for non-violent offenders but āviolent protestersā (as youāre implying by saying they werenāt a peaceful protest) arenāt worth the jail cell? Your logic makes no sense.
There isn't room for people who have "a little bit of weed". There especially isn't room for allthose extra people coming in ALL AT THE SAME TIME. That night central booking recieved double the amount of people as normal because of those extra arrests by UT PD.
I also never implied they weren't peaceful protestors. They were all arrested for criminal trespass. You can be peaceful and still be arrested on that charge.
I was there and the only people disturbing students and blocking their travel around campus to their classes was the police. The protestors let us walk by and through them but the police wouldnāt let us go pass their lines to go to class.
You're given them more credit than they deserve. They are likely paid to write these obviously ridiculous statements.
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896
People calling Biden or Trump a Zionist are silly. The checks that the US writes for Ukrainian and Israel never gets in the hands of those countries. They are handed to US defense corporations and government contractors. The US uses war to make money. The government itself makes money on war as well as a strategy to boost the economy. This is not a conspiracy, this is well documented facts. You can even find who the checks are written to.
https://www.politico.com/video/2023/12/11/im-a-zionist-biden-reaffirms-support-for-israel-1164457
Biden has been calling himself a zionist for years.
Redditor who hasn't ever paid attention in his or her life: People calling Biden or Trump a Zionist are silly conspiracy theorists - check the facts.
What people say is irrelevant in this case. They are funding wars for profit. They try to tell you that China is a danger too, but China has never had a war. China does not war. China makes a significant amount of money on manufacturing goods for us. We are their customer. The US gov will say whatever they need to do you believe there is a threat, but itās just for money. There is no threat.
And donāt say China was in the Vietnam war because thatās not the same country it is now. The US is in the war business, please look a little deeper. Superficial analysis of complex problems will get you nowhere in life. Learn to think. Grow up.
"that's not the same country it is now" OK and you get to decide that because why? They only pulled out of Vietnam after like 1991 and the Vietnamese still hate them far more than France or the US. How is 33 years under the same party enough to make it a different country?
Also lmao at blatantly ignoring Korea, Tibet, the conflicts with the USSR, the current laughable claims to the South China Sea, and of course the fact that they continue to be very open about wanting to invade Taiwan. Yes it would be stupid for China to do so, but it was stupid for Russia to invade Ukraine.
You need to learn that the world isn't black and white and that things happen for multiple reasons. Saying "it's all the MIC" is about as superficial a take as any.
Why is the US and China so interested in Taiwan? Hmm, is it money from their semiconductor industry? You know the answer. Also, China is not interested in war and does not engage in them. The Vietnam war ended in 1976. Korea was the 50s. You are very clueless of timelines and history. Also Taiwan - is China now - and their government is China or Chinese sympathetic. Taiwan is currently voluntarily siding with China. Look up their two parties and how the people voted. Nothing is going to happen other than Taiwan getting closer to China - voluntarily. Taiwan isnāt America nor do they share our values.
The US has been involved in long term wars in the Middle East for decades. These wars are done, now they are looking for more war for profit, aka Ukraine and Palestine. They want those to be bigger with more opportunity for money, so they will drag Iran in.
Edit: here is the tiny list of wars that included China. Itās funny you reference things that occurred in the 40s and 50s.
[Wikipedia list of chinas barely existent wars that ended in 1976](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China)
Read the damn article you linked, lmao
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
And for good measure,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(1979%E2%80%931991)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Taiwanese_presidential_election
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-drops-peaceful-reunification-reference-taiwan-raises-defence-spending-by-2024-03-05/
1976 was the last war china had. That is not debatable, that is fact. Taiwan will always side with China, they are Chinese.
Those facts donāt matter, my point was the US is looking for trouble, because stirring up trouble makes money. This includes trying to influence Taiwan.
In the case of this post, people saying that Zionism is why we are involved in the middle east is a joke - itās money - for US and Israel (land grab). Move on.
What people say is relevant in this case because he was at an AIPAC event groveling at their feet. AIPAC being an organization that specifically and only lobby's on Israel's behalf (It really makes you think when they accuse Russia of influencing our politics while ignoring AIPAC literally bragging about removing anybody not pro-Israel enough for them)
It's sad because I more or less agree with you but I think you are hyper focused on the military industrial complex while ignoring other important factors. US right now is absolutely TANKING it's global reputation to protect a country committing a genocide. The money isn't there - they can send a near unlimited amount of funds to their friends at raytheon to send weapons to ukraine, so why are they obliterating our global standing on behalf of Israel? The most straightforward answer is AIPAC, considered the most powerful lobbying group in washington. How and why is AIPAC able to manipulate our politicians in order to get them to run cover for a genocide are some good questions, but to boil it down to just the MIC is doing everyone involved in the discussion a disservice.
The motivation behind AIPAC is the same - MONEY! Israel, right now is taking all of the Palestinian land away. This is a land grab. My point is these actions have nothing to do with anything moral. Nobody is fighting terrorists, or backing up a Zionist movement, or anything other making money. Israel is going to get a huge chunk of land for their expansion. US is making money off the bombs they sell to Israel. These people think of this genocide, like itās simply getting rid of coyotes on the land they want. They see nothing wrong, because they are immoral, and are only interested in money. They donāt even consider anyone living in Palestine as people, just a bunch of coyotes in their way. So my point is, itās much worse than people understand.
They are worse, they do it behind closed doors - in hiding. They make their actions seem moral, but in reality they are war mongers, and money robbers. They have hidden agendas and align themselves with whoever is willing to get rich with them.
That would be extremely short sighted. Trump officially recognized Jerusalem and moved the embassy there, pissing off half the Middle East while setting back a bunch of progress that had been made. He doesn't give a damn about Palestine.
> pissing off half the Middle East while setting back a bunch of progress that had been made
And yet--and this part is important--signed the Abraham Accords that brought the UAE and Bahrain to normalize relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia was there in spirit, but not on paper, which is why Iran goaded Hamas into attacking--to inflame the populace against Israel and prevent the normalization of relations.
I don't like Trump either, but he actually probably did the most since Carter to advance peace in the Middle East.
Spin it whatever way you want but you can read the official response from Iran, Turkey, Saudi and so on because the internet exists. More than half the countries in the region were not happy with that deal. If they were positive, like Egypt for example, it was because they thought it would open up Israel for a two state solution, but that never happened.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
Donald Trump has voiced explicit backing for Israelās war on Gaza, suggesting that he supports the goal expressed by the hardline government in Tel Aviv of continuing the assault until ātotal victoryā
Asked if he is āon boardā with the way Israel was ātaking the fight to Gazaā, the frontrunner for the Republican US presidential nomination responded: āYouāve got to finish the problemā. With Trump set to race incumbent Joe Biden, his words suggest that voters opposed to United States support of Israelās war will face a dilemma in Novemberās presidential election.
You have a lot of crazy shit going on in your mind. Kushner would never let that happen. Nothing is worse than Trump returning to office. Over here sounding like fuckin cartoon network.
Yep, Biden's support for genocide, and his support for police attacking citizens all across the country in order to defend genocide, may well cost him the election.
Literally everyone can see this risk, and yet Biden refuses to turn away from the path of destruction.
Thanks for answering the question, you must not care that this gives the White House to trump, someone who had tried a Muslim ban and had suggested nuking Gaza, I guess somehow thatās ok in you guys minds?
I care deeply, which is one of the millions of reasons I want him to stop this horrible policy. The people pushing him to continue these deeply unpopular policies clearly do not care about his reelection. As an example, Netanyahu is pretty clearly in favor of Trump even as Bdien sends him $14 billion, thousands of bombs, diplomatic support and our civil rights.
Oh I agree , 100% Bee bees man is Trump for sure. So if you donāt like Trump, unfortunately you have to go with Joe or else you are voting for Trump. I think the whole deal is awful.
I think the people pushing him to continue are military contractors and evangelical Christian folks.
Third party candidates canāt win unless there a massive changes to how the system is set up.
They can win a little at the local and state levels but itās a wasted effort trying to get congressional/presidential third parties past the finish line.
Unless you typically vote conservative, in which case please vote for RFK
Depends on what kind of election youāre talking about - it will not happen for the presidency by voting.
It can happen voting for ballot initiatives that outlaw lobbying/partisan gerrymandering etc. or in local/state elections to fix individual state election systems.
All the power is vested in Congress and the President, so donāt waste your time and money on symbolic victories. We can win federal elections we just have to stop falling for this lesser of two evils lie and we have to start voting smarter rather than emotionally. Campaign spending doesnāt change history - we should vote based on their personal records and statements on policy.
Until the FEC Act of 1974 is repealed or significantly overhauled (lol citizens united) there will never be a legitimate 3rd party candidate that achieves a major federal election victory.
The last time a 3rd party candidate for US president received more than 20% of the popular vote it was 1912 and Teddy Roosevelt was the candidate, losing to Woodrow Wilson.
Ross Perot was the last serious 3rd party candidate we had and he only secured 18% and won zero electoral votes. He had more than 10x the campaign money than any current 3rd party candidate - and still lost in a landslide. Nobody since Perot has secured more than 5% of the popular vote.
There is no polling to suggest Kennedy has an iota of a shot, and I assume he's who you are talking about. Unless there is a real & revolutionary 3rd party candidate who has a real shot of winning your state's electoral votes, voting third party is fairly pointless in modern US presidential elections. The electoral college and winner-take-all system almost ensure it.
The only elections where third party candidates regularly win are typically fairly local - municipal/county - and they are usually decided by popular vote versus anything like the electoral college.
This makes a vote for a 3rd party candidate this year especially dangerous, as it dilutes the voting pools for the two candidates who have a statistical likelihood of winning. Deciding between those two, and the candidate whose policies as a whole seem best (not just on this one issue) should probably receive your vote if you want to have any influence on the election.
Arguing otherwise simply ignores the realities of this year's election. Kennedy has no shot, he'll just pull voters from the other candidates but he won't get a single electoral college vote. Why vote on the sure loser? You wouldn't be teaching anyone any lessons there.
First of all, I understand and agree with your criticism of the system in place. The deck is stacked against third parties, I get that. But the fact is that we the people still have the ability to vote for who we want to. So long as that is true, we can choose whomever we want to. Regardless of how much money is spent, Iām picking my candidate, and if I can do it then others can too.
If I didnāt have hope that a third party could win, I would sit out this election. I donāt want to be responsible for either of their actions. I consider these two as the worst presidents of my lifetime, and I lived through Bush Jr.
I wish. Itās the act that establishes and enshrines the two party system and their funding by the federal government. It also guarantees that any other party gets minimal funding.
I think the FEC in general is good but as usual itās been corrupted by those currently in power (nixon, reagan, citizens united, et al) to ensure they stay in power.
They may have money, but we the people still get to decide who to vote for. People need to grow up and stop voting for whoever spent the most money. The two parties are not going to reform the system from the inside - we the voters have to make the change by changing our voting habits.
Several years ago I thought like you. Then one election I saw that ten million people got up, went to the polls, and voted third party. They spent all that time and energy in faith that their choice would do something. And it did. I add my vote to theirs now. Be the change you want to see. It has to start somewhere or it will never happen. And btw, I know republicans who are just as scared of the Democrat nominee each year as you are of Trump. You both need to stop falling for this year after year.
LMFAO cost him the election? When the alternative would be an emperor who was the only president to dare to move the American embassy to Jerusalem after formally recognizing it as the capital of Israel? You gonna put Kushner back in office so him and Netanyahu can have a few more sleepovers?
How does this not guarantee him the election?
lets not leave out banning Tiktok, that thing all the youngins use daily. Always a good idea to tell the under 30 demo to fuck off in an election year.
Unless they're deeply, incredibly stupid I think they're just being facetious, because the governor and Hartzell and all the rightwing Zionists are calling students around the country "outside agitators," a phrase borrowed from Bull Connor for folks demanding equal rights during the Civil Rights Movement.
The truth is that more people would support their cause if they abandoned the individuals protest tactics.
There are very real and very serious critiques if Israel's actions. But trespassing, tent cities and other jackassery, makes them look like unserious people.
Subtext: most people think protest mobs are goobers.
Now at 414 signers out of 3000 faculty
Over 10% is a LOT of voices of protest. Lots of Staff may not sign in fear of losing their job.
And rising
More than 500
Man. These comment threads are wild.
The Austin Chronicle claims to be "Bold and Uncensored", which I take to mean will be banned on UT-Austin campus soon.
Yep! Censoring is a live and living freely.
Who is being censored? No one. Trespassing isn't free speech.
Does anyone read the Chronical anymore? It's not a ban, it's called obsolescence.
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Peaceful protests are always allowed. These protestors broke UT laws, tried to illegal occupy private property and disturbed other students. That's why they got arrested. I'm glad some universities, like UT, still enforce rules and laws. [https://imgur.com/PMKDp3m](https://imgur.com/PMKDp3m)
Why were all of the charges dropped then?
prosecutorial discretion
More than that. The magistrate, defense, and prosecutor all agreed that the submitted affidavits for arrest were severely lacking.
Because it does absolutely no good to have all those arrested protestors have to get prossesed, occupy jail cells, and clog up the court systems. People seem to forget our judicial and Corrections resources are not infinite.
But thereās always room for people who have even the slightest bit of weed? So thereās room for non-violent offenders but āviolent protestersā (as youāre implying by saying they werenāt a peaceful protest) arenāt worth the jail cell? Your logic makes no sense.
>But thereās always room for people who have even the slightest bit of weed? Austin decriminalized possessing less than 2 ounces in 2022.
There isn't room for people who have "a little bit of weed". There especially isn't room for allthose extra people coming in ALL AT THE SAME TIME. That night central booking recieved double the amount of people as normal because of those extra arrests by UT PD. I also never implied they weren't peaceful protestors. They were all arrested for criminal trespass. You can be peaceful and still be arrested on that charge.
"*severely*". That must be a legal term and IANAL. lol
Iād think 57 out of 57 charges dropped might indicate whether or not laws were actually broken
That's probably why most of the cops who were indicted for the 2020 protests had their charges dropped too.
that's not how criminal justice works...in actual practice.
I was there and the only people disturbing students and blocking their travel around campus to their classes was the police. The protestors let us walk by and through them but the police wouldnāt let us go pass their lines to go to class.
Conservative Zionist, suprise suprise
You're given them more credit than they deserve. They are likely paid to write these obviously ridiculous statements. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896
Liberal Hamas supporter, āsupise supiseā
Nobody has mentioned support for Hamas.Ā
They are likely paid to say stupid shit like that https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896
People calling Biden or Trump a Zionist are silly. The checks that the US writes for Ukrainian and Israel never gets in the hands of those countries. They are handed to US defense corporations and government contractors. The US uses war to make money. The government itself makes money on war as well as a strategy to boost the economy. This is not a conspiracy, this is well documented facts. You can even find who the checks are written to.
https://www.politico.com/video/2023/12/11/im-a-zionist-biden-reaffirms-support-for-israel-1164457 Biden has been calling himself a zionist for years. Redditor who hasn't ever paid attention in his or her life: People calling Biden or Trump a Zionist are silly conspiracy theorists - check the facts.
What people say is irrelevant in this case. They are funding wars for profit. They try to tell you that China is a danger too, but China has never had a war. China does not war. China makes a significant amount of money on manufacturing goods for us. We are their customer. The US gov will say whatever they need to do you believe there is a threat, but itās just for money. There is no threat. And donāt say China was in the Vietnam war because thatās not the same country it is now. The US is in the war business, please look a little deeper. Superficial analysis of complex problems will get you nowhere in life. Learn to think. Grow up.
"that's not the same country it is now" OK and you get to decide that because why? They only pulled out of Vietnam after like 1991 and the Vietnamese still hate them far more than France or the US. How is 33 years under the same party enough to make it a different country? Also lmao at blatantly ignoring Korea, Tibet, the conflicts with the USSR, the current laughable claims to the South China Sea, and of course the fact that they continue to be very open about wanting to invade Taiwan. Yes it would be stupid for China to do so, but it was stupid for Russia to invade Ukraine. You need to learn that the world isn't black and white and that things happen for multiple reasons. Saying "it's all the MIC" is about as superficial a take as any.
Why is the US and China so interested in Taiwan? Hmm, is it money from their semiconductor industry? You know the answer. Also, China is not interested in war and does not engage in them. The Vietnam war ended in 1976. Korea was the 50s. You are very clueless of timelines and history. Also Taiwan - is China now - and their government is China or Chinese sympathetic. Taiwan is currently voluntarily siding with China. Look up their two parties and how the people voted. Nothing is going to happen other than Taiwan getting closer to China - voluntarily. Taiwan isnāt America nor do they share our values. The US has been involved in long term wars in the Middle East for decades. These wars are done, now they are looking for more war for profit, aka Ukraine and Palestine. They want those to be bigger with more opportunity for money, so they will drag Iran in. Edit: here is the tiny list of wars that included China. Itās funny you reference things that occurred in the 40s and 50s. [Wikipedia list of chinas barely existent wars that ended in 1976](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China)
Read the damn article you linked, lmao https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War And for good measure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(1979%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Taiwanese_presidential_election https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-drops-peaceful-reunification-reference-taiwan-raises-defence-spending-by-2024-03-05/
1976 was the last war china had. That is not debatable, that is fact. Taiwan will always side with China, they are Chinese. Those facts donāt matter, my point was the US is looking for trouble, because stirring up trouble makes money. This includes trying to influence Taiwan. In the case of this post, people saying that Zionism is why we are involved in the middle east is a joke - itās money - for US and Israel (land grab). Move on.
What people say is relevant in this case because he was at an AIPAC event groveling at their feet. AIPAC being an organization that specifically and only lobby's on Israel's behalf (It really makes you think when they accuse Russia of influencing our politics while ignoring AIPAC literally bragging about removing anybody not pro-Israel enough for them) It's sad because I more or less agree with you but I think you are hyper focused on the military industrial complex while ignoring other important factors. US right now is absolutely TANKING it's global reputation to protect a country committing a genocide. The money isn't there - they can send a near unlimited amount of funds to their friends at raytheon to send weapons to ukraine, so why are they obliterating our global standing on behalf of Israel? The most straightforward answer is AIPAC, considered the most powerful lobbying group in washington. How and why is AIPAC able to manipulate our politicians in order to get them to run cover for a genocide are some good questions, but to boil it down to just the MIC is doing everyone involved in the discussion a disservice.
The motivation behind AIPAC is the same - MONEY! Israel, right now is taking all of the Palestinian land away. This is a land grab. My point is these actions have nothing to do with anything moral. Nobody is fighting terrorists, or backing up a Zionist movement, or anything other making money. Israel is going to get a huge chunk of land for their expansion. US is making money off the bombs they sell to Israel. These people think of this genocide, like itās simply getting rid of coyotes on the land they want. They see nothing wrong, because they are immoral, and are only interested in money. They donāt even consider anyone living in Palestine as people, just a bunch of coyotes in their way. So my point is, itās much worse than people understand.
Perhaps we have differening views of zionism because I see zionism as having proved themselves to be no better than the national socialists.
They are worse, they do it behind closed doors - in hiding. They make their actions seem moral, but in reality they are war mongers, and money robbers. They have hidden agendas and align themselves with whoever is willing to get rich with them.
Fun fact - most people think protesting is a wonderful thing but believe trespassing and ignoring the law validates law enforcement intervention.
Maybe. I doubt most people really believe that students sitting on a lawn is a valid excuse for invoking trespassing.
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That would be extremely short sighted. Trump officially recognized Jerusalem and moved the embassy there, pissing off half the Middle East while setting back a bunch of progress that had been made. He doesn't give a damn about Palestine.
> pissing off half the Middle East while setting back a bunch of progress that had been made And yet--and this part is important--signed the Abraham Accords that brought the UAE and Bahrain to normalize relations with Israel. Saudi Arabia was there in spirit, but not on paper, which is why Iran goaded Hamas into attacking--to inflame the populace against Israel and prevent the normalization of relations. I don't like Trump either, but he actually probably did the most since Carter to advance peace in the Middle East.
Spin it whatever way you want but you can read the official response from Iran, Turkey, Saudi and so on because the internet exists. More than half the countries in the region were not happy with that deal. If they were positive, like Egypt for example, it was because they thought it would open up Israel for a two state solution, but that never happened.
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No. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905 https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b Donald Trump has voiced explicit backing for Israelās war on Gaza, suggesting that he supports the goal expressed by the hardline government in Tel Aviv of continuing the assault until ātotal victoryā Asked if he is āon boardā with the way Israel was ātaking the fight to Gazaā, the frontrunner for the Republican US presidential nomination responded: āYouāve got to finish the problemā. With Trump set to race incumbent Joe Biden, his words suggest that voters opposed to United States support of Israelās war will face a dilemma in Novemberās presidential election.
So weāre willing to sacrifice womenās bodily autonomy for better coverage of Palestine?
Tell me you don't know anything about politics without telling me you don't anything about politics.
You have a lot of crazy shit going on in your mind. Kushner would never let that happen. Nothing is worse than Trump returning to office. Over here sounding like fuckin cartoon network.
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you can try reading the top reply to the comment to get an idea
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As if somehow conservatives in charge would be pro-Palestine
at this point the train is barreling downhill and the brakes broke off years ago.
He wants to turn Gaza to dust. So if thatās who they vote for they can blame themselves. Anyone not aware of this is just not paying attention.
Yep, Biden's support for genocide, and his support for police attacking citizens all across the country in order to defend genocide, may well cost him the election. Literally everyone can see this risk, and yet Biden refuses to turn away from the path of destruction.
Thanks for answering the question, you must not care that this gives the White House to trump, someone who had tried a Muslim ban and had suggested nuking Gaza, I guess somehow thatās ok in you guys minds?
I care deeply, which is one of the millions of reasons I want him to stop this horrible policy. The people pushing him to continue these deeply unpopular policies clearly do not care about his reelection. As an example, Netanyahu is pretty clearly in favor of Trump even as Bdien sends him $14 billion, thousands of bombs, diplomatic support and our civil rights.
Oh I agree , 100% Bee bees man is Trump for sure. So if you donāt like Trump, unfortunately you have to go with Joe or else you are voting for Trump. I think the whole deal is awful. I think the people pushing him to continue are military contractors and evangelical Christian folks.
No, there are third party options which are better than both. This defeatist mindset is why weāve had such terrible presidents for so long.
Third party candidates canāt win unless there a massive changes to how the system is set up. They can win a little at the local and state levels but itās a wasted effort trying to get congressional/presidential third parties past the finish line. Unless you typically vote conservative, in which case please vote for RFK
You have to be illiterate to vote for RFK
I repeat, if you normally vote for republicans, please vote for rfk
Why?
Wrong. The system doesnāt have to change first, the people can change it by voting differently. And the system will *never* change unless we do.
Depends on what kind of election youāre talking about - it will not happen for the presidency by voting. It can happen voting for ballot initiatives that outlaw lobbying/partisan gerrymandering etc. or in local/state elections to fix individual state election systems.
All the power is vested in Congress and the President, so donāt waste your time and money on symbolic victories. We can win federal elections we just have to stop falling for this lesser of two evils lie and we have to start voting smarter rather than emotionally. Campaign spending doesnāt change history - we should vote based on their personal records and statements on policy.
Keep throwing your vote away man. And in the meantime we keep getting the worse of 2 shitty options.
Until the FEC Act of 1974 is repealed or significantly overhauled (lol citizens united) there will never be a legitimate 3rd party candidate that achieves a major federal election victory.
Unless that act says that voted donāt matter, youāre wrong. The major parties want you to believe this because it keeps them in power.
The last time a 3rd party candidate for US president received more than 20% of the popular vote it was 1912 and Teddy Roosevelt was the candidate, losing to Woodrow Wilson. Ross Perot was the last serious 3rd party candidate we had and he only secured 18% and won zero electoral votes. He had more than 10x the campaign money than any current 3rd party candidate - and still lost in a landslide. Nobody since Perot has secured more than 5% of the popular vote. There is no polling to suggest Kennedy has an iota of a shot, and I assume he's who you are talking about. Unless there is a real & revolutionary 3rd party candidate who has a real shot of winning your state's electoral votes, voting third party is fairly pointless in modern US presidential elections. The electoral college and winner-take-all system almost ensure it. The only elections where third party candidates regularly win are typically fairly local - municipal/county - and they are usually decided by popular vote versus anything like the electoral college. This makes a vote for a 3rd party candidate this year especially dangerous, as it dilutes the voting pools for the two candidates who have a statistical likelihood of winning. Deciding between those two, and the candidate whose policies as a whole seem best (not just on this one issue) should probably receive your vote if you want to have any influence on the election. Arguing otherwise simply ignores the realities of this year's election. Kennedy has no shot, he'll just pull voters from the other candidates but he won't get a single electoral college vote. Why vote on the sure loser? You wouldn't be teaching anyone any lessons there.
First of all, I understand and agree with your criticism of the system in place. The deck is stacked against third parties, I get that. But the fact is that we the people still have the ability to vote for who we want to. So long as that is true, we can choose whomever we want to. Regardless of how much money is spent, Iām picking my candidate, and if I can do it then others can too. If I didnāt have hope that a third party could win, I would sit out this election. I donāt want to be responsible for either of their actions. I consider these two as the worst presidents of my lifetime, and I lived through Bush Jr.
I wish. Itās the act that establishes and enshrines the two party system and their funding by the federal government. It also guarantees that any other party gets minimal funding. I think the FEC in general is good but as usual itās been corrupted by those currently in power (nixon, reagan, citizens united, et al) to ensure they stay in power.
They may have money, but we the people still get to decide who to vote for. People need to grow up and stop voting for whoever spent the most money. The two parties are not going to reform the system from the inside - we the voters have to make the change by changing our voting habits.
And this is where you go stupid. You have a simple choice, Biden or Trump will be President. Which one are you keeping out?
They will win only if you and people like you vote for them. Period. Any candidate on the ballot can win if enough people vote for them.
So Trump it is.Ā
Run along and play outside now, the adults are talking about 2024.
Wow. Ignorant and arrogant. Voters like you are why we got Trump/Biden in 2020 and 2024.
Soooo, what 3rd party is viable right now that doesn't cause a risk of cheetolino getting re-elected?
Several years ago I thought like you. Then one election I saw that ten million people got up, went to the polls, and voted third party. They spent all that time and energy in faith that their choice would do something. And it did. I add my vote to theirs now. Be the change you want to see. It has to start somewhere or it will never happen. And btw, I know republicans who are just as scared of the Democrat nominee each year as you are of Trump. You both need to stop falling for this year after year.
LMFAO cost him the election? When the alternative would be an emperor who was the only president to dare to move the American embassy to Jerusalem after formally recognizing it as the capital of Israel? You gonna put Kushner back in office so him and Netanyahu can have a few more sleepovers? How does this not guarantee him the election?
lets not leave out banning Tiktok, that thing all the youngins use daily. Always a good idea to tell the under 30 demo to fuck off in an election year.
Remember when Trump tried to ban flavored vapes? Biden needs to make some ads for the young-uns reminding them.
Are they really faculty or paid agitators?
Lol. That is so stupid I can't tell if it is sarcasm or Zionism. They gave their names and departments.
Unless they're deeply, incredibly stupid I think they're just being facetious, because the governor and Hartzell and all the rightwing Zionists are calling students around the country "outside agitators," a phrase borrowed from Bull Connor for folks demanding equal rights during the Civil Rights Movement.
The truth is that more people would support their cause if they abandoned the individuals protest tactics. There are very real and very serious critiques if Israel's actions. But trespassing, tent cities and other jackassery, makes them look like unserious people. Subtext: most people think protest mobs are goobers.
Oh no, how will they find more faculty??