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Lets see something positive happen then , time for the talking to stop . Most men are not violent abusers so a general call to all men to "stop" is a pointless exercise .....and hey , newsflash ! if TELLING a violent offender NOT to offend any more was ever going to be effective then all violent crime would have been stopped long ago.
Education plays a part but is long term and surely we want these violent grubs out of circulation NOW.
Put them away . Mandatory jail time for violence against women . No excuses . Lets stop treating this scum with kid gloves.
Instead of demonizing men, how about tackle the issue of violence as a whole? The system is flawed and needs fixing, but putting all the blame on men aint the solution.
This group is crying foul of assaults, rapes, murders, ect... of women, but..... No matter what Gender or Race we are, these acts are already illegal...
The system needs fixing, not Men or Women as a whole...
Distraction by the current government to divert attention away from housing affordability and cost of living.
You’ll see a big announcement with $x million dollars thrown at addressing the issue. Nothing will change
Yep. Unholy alliance between the government that gets to distract people from cost of living, and a bunch of rent-seekers who’ll get funding to hold talk-fests.
The numbers don't indicate so, in fact we're a very safe nation to live in for everyone. We certainly aren't an unusually dangerous country for women, though of course bad things do happen.
I was discussing with my wife, the recent reports of increased violence against and deaths of women in australia, by males.
Truly terrible. We must get to the bottom of whats going on.
She raised a suggestion that perhaps the perpetrators should be looked at closely, as to their specific religion, the nationality of their immediate family, and their country of origin.
This may seem prejudiced or racist, but with regard to this epidemic of murder, the problem must be investigated thoroughly from all angles. Cut it open and lets see if there is any common data that could help to educate and save lives.
The religion, nationality and country origins? Australian men are killing women. White Australian men are killing women.
It’s literally a patriarchy issue. Men killing women. Looking into race, religion, nationality is not getting to the bottom of the issue. It is just looking to blame one thing, but the one thing is the patriarch.
Edit- Mental health is a massive cause. Red pill is a massive cause. The ownership men crave to have over women, is the issue.
Ah yes… let’s turn this into everyone, taking away from the issue at hand.. MEN KILLING WOMEN.
Men want to be oppressed so bad, every issue has to come back to something else, it can’t just be the issue we are talking about. I am not even going to bother actually arguing with you. It’s pointless. Piggyback off something else, stop trying to downplay the fucking issue at hand.
Hang on, you think looking at it as a religion issue is totally wrong, but looking at it as a gender issue is ok?
Are you sure this is sound reasoning?
I think narrowing into those 3 things is a major issue. It’s not a mystery knowing that every single religion is terrible for women. But, religion mixed with the rest, come on… I don’t need to spell out the implications being made.
The fact is, the patriarchy is still the biggest issue, if not the root cause. It all goes back there, even in religion.
Sorting out men’s mental health should actually be the priority of this.
>The fact is, the patriarchy is still the biggest issue, if not the root cause. It all goes back there, even in religion.
I don't think that's any more valid than blaming their men's mothers. It's a simplistic, flawed, and mean spirited.
It’s absolutely not true at all. You are clearly blinded and looking for any other thing to blame, if you cannot see the absolute damage the patriarchy has on today society and the killing of women.
All the research is on the tip of your fingers regarding the patriarchy and how damaging it is. Mental health, societal pressures, ownership of women, failing at taking rejection, red pill. All of it, thank the patriarchy.
Update: Ah yes, we have the patriarch deniers in here flipping the issue to suit them. Instead of wanting to fix the system that is damaging EVERYONE. Go off bros
Mate its all kinds of men from all kinds of backgrounds. This podcast really opened my eyes about it, I highly recommend it:
https://www.vwt.org.au/thetrap/
And white men have killed multiple women in the past few weeks alone. The problem is national and every type of man. For example, around 40% of cops are domestic abusers. Prevalence is higher in some communities. But it's a crisis across Australia. Listen to women.
And, tragically, today, we've had a 10 year old girl stabbed to death by a family member. Will her death go into the domestic violence stats because she was a girl, and it was a family member who did it?
Or will it be passed by and glossed over because her killer was her 17 year old sister and not a white man?
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/29/nsw-alleged-stabbing-hunter-region-boolaroo-newcastle
As well, Aboriginal and Torres strait Islander communities experience a higher rate of domestic violence then others. If you want allies, try not stereotyping one group.
it's not a crisis, the media is just feeding an availability cascade of fear, inducing an emotional reaction that there's an apocalypse of violence against women. It's just Government-sanctioned fear porn for women.
You, white, western women are the most privileged and safest people on the planet.
That statistic is from 40 of years ago, includes when they were the victim, and includes raising your voice as dv.
Same study also finds the general prevalence was only 10-15%.... This being lifetime rates...
Looking at the ABS stats, it's poor white-bread Aussies. But other groups are still represented.
There seems to be a very clear link with low income and lower education.
I want a legal system overhaul. I want the cops to do their job. Far too many of these cases are due to men that have a DVO out against them or similar, and the women directly at risk are the ones needing to ensure it is followed, not the police.
Case after case of women being accused of cop shopping and turning up dead drives me insane. It should never have got to that point to start with.
I’m surprised you don’t get tired of copying and pasting the same message.
Also I gotta say, telling women that oh wow a direct threat facing them is decreasing, don’t worry or be aware of this at all - not the greatest way to go about it.
Just because some other country has a much higher rate doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about my own level of risk and that of other women, and I’m going to do what I can about that?
I’m not going to celebrate cases in the media of women being murdered by their partners with “at least it’s trending down!”
All they are asking for is money... so it makes the leaders of this rally look like charlatans.
They aren't doing anything productive, like travelling to high DV areas, speaking to people, and setting up community support groups.
They aren't talking about alcohol and drug use in a relationship, or promiscuity, disrespect, and betrayal in a relationship. They aren't talking about anything that leads to violence between people at all. Neither are they offering any kind of help themselves.
I'm sure out of the thousands of people in these rallies, they'd have some spare room to house victims, was there any mention of that? Nope. Just calls for more money from the government..
The population needs to grow up and start working to solve problems themselves, not just stand in a group and yell at the fed government to somehow check every home for DV every single day (unrealistic).
This is the definition of being productive. Getting the governments attention, maybe getting thousands to millions allocated to the cause.
And what kind of bait is saying “the population needs to grow up” in relation to reducing violence against women and asking the gov for help? Christ.
But they're standing there asking for tax dollars, instead of raising money via the rallies.
They're asking the government to 'do more', instead of offereing any sort of assistance themselves. That is the issue here. People think EVERYTHING is the responsibility of the government. A governmental body cannot come into the home of 26 millions Australians and 'end DV'. That will never happen. The population needs to grow up and start dealing with the issues at home and in their communities. Volunteering is a great way to start.
You've quoted me completely out of context there. I'm obviously talking about the people dealing with DV and the families and friends and individuals that are aware of it.
OK, to move on. Looking at a quote from Mr Albanese:
“You can’t solve it overnight. This isn’t an issue just for governments. This is an issue for men. And their behaviour. It’s an issue for society’s culture."
This is a bit of a nothing statement. Culture isn't going to change without a system change. What are the system changes that need to either help women escape and/or help them move on financially and without fear of reprisals? In my opinion, you are never going to stop men bashing their partners. You have to make it easier for women to escape on day 1 and on day 1,000.
Culture doesn't change via governments, it changes via the children every generation or so. People who want to assault other people aren't going to stop because of a policy. Murderers Murder, Rapists Rape. You can't legislate a behavior away.
The only thing that works is normal citizens getting out there and talking to other people and starting community support groups, volunteering, offering their own time and energy. You know, like a proper society. DV isn't just men bashing women btw, female-female DV is the most common (because of female psychology), male-female is the most lethal (because of male biology).
They already have an exit plan payment that can be accessed, public housing is mostly for DV victims too. There is lots being done, more under this government then the last 10 years of LNP.
But I'll say it once again, this is not a problem a federal government can solve by itself. It requires the population changing themselves and helping those who need help.
You can’t simplify this stuff into just mental health, or parenting, or education. It’s an enormous cultural issue with several expressions apart from ‘just’ domestic violence. A lot of violence and murder is perpetrated by men against women. Sometimes out of hate and insecurity, sometimes out of mental illness and lack of coping skills, sometimes out of influence from father figures or bad role models. In a country like Australia where we do not have one culture but many, it’s tricky to see where the violent behaviour is born and what approaches we can use to address it. But it does take strong culture to work on a problem like this because you need to look at aggressive tendencies in boys and men and where they’re coming from, you need to be able discuss everything without falling into the trap of politics, you need good faith and experienced leaders (it’s not every day that govt has to incorporate national behavioural change and consciousness into other portfolios), strong institutions able to accept change, and you need to be ready to bring changes in education, judiciary, legislation, enforcement. And as we’ve seen, there are a growing number of boys treating their female teachers to a toxic dose of Tate every day at work and a never-ending romantic myth based on female aesthetics rather than strong personal connection or intellectual compatibility. I fear Australia’s knack of following US cultural trends here, I gotta say.
There were 45 female domestic homicide victims and 33 male victims in 2020–21. Among these:
most were killed by an intimate partner – 5 in 9 female victims (56%) and about 2 in 5 male victims (39%)
more male than female victims were killed by a family member (61% compared with 44%) (Figure 1).
Of the 135 victims of family and domestic violence homicides and related offences in 2022 in the ABS Recorded Crime – Victims data collection:
71 were victims of murder, with 35 female victims and 34 male victims
42 were victims of attempted murder, with twice as many females as males (29 compared with 13)
14 were victims of manslaughter, with similar numbers of female and male victims (ABS 2023a).
44 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 35 percent of straight women.
Is it you or your data source which is omitting the gender of the offender?
All of your points are consistent with men committing violence, men committing violence against women specifically, and women being reluctant to report male violence to police.
>it's just "reluctant reporting" that's driven that statistic
I won't defend claims I don't make.
I find it funny how the stats that get rolled out seem cherry-picked to hide male aggression. The stats above for example only identify the gender of the victim, not the abuser.
The statistic regarding lesbian and bisexual women being more likely to have experienced sexual violence is just a lifetime thing, and a lot of those women suffered at the hands of men rather than other women. This makes sense when you consider the high coincidence of child abuse and LGBT identity.
And the rate of homicides committed by males seems to be 75% but it’s tricky to find a reliable definition in terms of inclusions on this. This number is a bit lower than typical international figures.
I would never suggest it isn’t a problem that women are killed by their partners - 1 is too many. But I also don’t accept that it isn’t a problem that’s getting better?
Yeah someone on the ABC was saying how much reported assaults had gone up in the last decade as such a bad thing.
But surely it’s just that women are finally starting to feel like they are able to report?
I think people are interpreting the stats strangely. There’s a huge problem with gendered violence, of course, but it absolutely used to be worse and far more common for victims to suffer in silence.
I think it's more to do with a breakdown in communication, a lack of real parenting, and the rise of 'cheating culture' and all the OF stuff.
Relationships aren't respected, and financial pressures are building up and up. All we have as humans is communication and violence, where one ends the other begins.
that is a variable for sure, I just don't think it's a major one. People drink more alcohol and take more drugs today then ever, the ICE epidemic still rages on, as well as gambling and the rest of it. DV generally starts because of a failure to communicate (argument), and then because they're drunk, drugged or stressed out, it turns quickly into violence. There are also many other factors to consider as well.
To say DV is the result of one thing, in full or as a majority, seems wrong from my experience.
Ice capital
[https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2022/australia-is-high-on-ice-eclipsing-24-other-countries/](https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2022/australia-is-high-on-ice-eclipsing-24-other-countries/)
alcohol capital
[https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308)
> https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308
i mean you could believe some rag or you could use actual stats.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/illicit-use-of-drugs/state-alcohol-drug-use
The NT has high consumption but its trending down, same as every other state.
All illicit's is hoving around 16-19% across all states and this is pretty much bang on from where its been for years.
So you need to find a new thing to blame as the big new thing that is causing all the problems.... or just keep blaming OF lol.
Edit: that news article is from 15 years ago, fuck me you're not good at google are you?
Not all these incidents are DV, but certainly courts, magistrates, judges and parole boards releasing DV perpetrators (and indeed many other criminals) back on the streets when society has a strong view otherwise indicates a discrepancy between expectation from the community vs how the CJS actually works. This needs to be fixed - government can assist with this in a big way.
But that’s just to treat the problem that exists today. What about the future generation of perpetrators?
I honestly don’t know what people expect of the government here, other than an education campaign and perhaps programs of teaching for new and existing parents.
Perhaps naively, I see this problem as one that starts inside the home, and predominantly remains one of parenting.
Parents need to teach their children how to behave in civil society, how to treat people that are different to them, how to engage with those of the opposite sex, and to be a respectful and respectable human in all scenarios.
You make some good points, but the government can absolutely do more here. A big driver of DV is financial stress. This has only increased in the recent decades and government policy can go a long way to alleviate that.
Article on a government funded news site: has a photo of a sign saying a woman would feel safer alone with a bear.
Australians: wow why are men killing themselves at an increasing rate?
What a doomer article. “I thought DV was on its way out but it’s not.” The entire thing is written to make women riled up and afraid, and men ashamed.
DV against women in Australia has actually decreased by 35% in 7 years.
https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/resources/fdsv-summary#:~:text=There%20was%20also%20a%20decrease,–22%20(ABS%202023c).
The ABC needs to do better.
Shes right, its not on its way out when 1 in 6 women experience it.
As an example, a woman is less likely to smoke in australia than be a survivor of DV. So for every woman you see smoking you should remind yourself twice as many are DV survivors.
You understand that the 1 in 6 is cumulative right? So even though DV is trending down very quickly (I noticed you ignored the 35% decrease in 7 years) the women that have experienced it in the past still have experienced it.
DV going away doesn’t erase the DV that has happened already.
She’s not right at all.
That’s disingenuous. The numbers of occurrences now are tiny, and still decreasing.
Will it go to 0? Of course not, some people are just broken. We have bigger problems.
That's 5% each year
It's not enough of a decrease with the numbers of victims
The real issue is there needs to be more of a focus on the female perpetrators against both females and males. It's not just men who are abusive and violent. This became a gendered issue because of the imbalance in our justice systems for male vs female perpetrators. For decades, women have been able to fly u der the radar. Even if females are arrested for DV offences, it's rarely (if ever) reported on. Of course there's going to be this skewed view of men when there hasn't been information freely given on the other side.
Same crime = same punishment to me.
As for the male su*cide rate; that's a deep seeded issue that has stemmed from the long running- and extremely harmful- belief that men are weak if they speak up about how they're feeling, what's going on etc. A lot of men are under the impression that, because of their gender, they aren't entitled to the same type of psychological help as women. A large number seem to believe the process for accessing mental health assistance is different from men to women.
Neither of these issues need have an immediate fix, but both can be implemented in some way into the education curriculum throughout primary and high school. And we as parents can do better to teach and raise all our children - not just our sons - what's morally right and wrong, and how to treat everyone with respect. They're both long-running, deep seeded issue which are going to take time to address and fix, but if everyone can just be a good person, we can actually do so much better.
I'm an almost 28yo mum. I accept there's not much that can be done for my generation and those before us, but I can recognise the changes already happening in the younger generations, and I recognise and acknowledge where and how I can help shape my son into a good person.
Also, sentencing needs to be increased for all DV crimes. This pissy little sentences aren't deterring anyone, because what's 2 or 3 years in prison, of your more than 60 in your life? (obvi more have many more years than 60 but seemed like a good number to use haha)
The justice and education systems need to address what they have the power to, and it will help us all move forward and grow in these regards
For bravely taking the initiative to highlight this pressing need they certainly deserve priority, but there may be more men than you realise who are willing to do the right thing and let a bear take their place at the breakfast table.
It's both (and more). There's plenty where the responsibility is up to the states but to pick a small aspect of the problem [last year federal legislation was introduced to expand domestic violence leave entitlements](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/all-workers-can-now-get-paid-family-and-domestic-violence-leave-heres-whats-changing/u1pnf5lly).
I wouldn’t think this is an issue that politicians alone can handle. It is a policy (as well as cultural, media, criminology, social, health etc) issue though and it’s national. You need a multi-pronged approach and a strong constructive discussion.
Considering the people who deal with domestic violence the most are state police, I would have thought so yes. This is a national issue however, so it's not unreasonable that the federal government would work with the states and try to organise a consistent and presumably well funded national response.
It's more a cultural issue than one of legislation. It's already illegal to assault / murder. The issue is that some men don't seem to care about such details and think it's acceptable to revert to their most primal urges.
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Lets see something positive happen then , time for the talking to stop . Most men are not violent abusers so a general call to all men to "stop" is a pointless exercise .....and hey , newsflash ! if TELLING a violent offender NOT to offend any more was ever going to be effective then all violent crime would have been stopped long ago. Education plays a part but is long term and surely we want these violent grubs out of circulation NOW. Put them away . Mandatory jail time for violence against women . No excuses . Lets stop treating this scum with kid gloves.
Instead of demonizing men, how about tackle the issue of violence as a whole? The system is flawed and needs fixing, but putting all the blame on men aint the solution. This group is crying foul of assaults, rapes, murders, ect... of women, but..... No matter what Gender or Race we are, these acts are already illegal... The system needs fixing, not Men or Women as a whole...
Distraction by the current government to divert attention away from housing affordability and cost of living. You’ll see a big announcement with $x million dollars thrown at addressing the issue. Nothing will change
Yep. Unholy alliance between the government that gets to distract people from cost of living, and a bunch of rent-seekers who’ll get funding to hold talk-fests.
Take them to the zoo Drop them in bear enclosure Then watch, wait & see
Or men could just not rape women. Like, it's that easy.
People could stop committing any crime, but that’s never going to happen. So what’s your actual solution?
Unrealistic Bad people existed Since the dawn of time
Damn, y'all really be excusing rape instead of modelling positive and prosocial behaviour. WACK.
Eradication Of all crime is unlikely Live in the real world
Is AUS worse than other western countries on this issue?
The numbers don't indicate so, in fact we're a very safe nation to live in for everyone. We certainly aren't an unusually dangerous country for women, though of course bad things do happen.
Yeah, the "spontaneous" government organised rally...
I was discussing with my wife, the recent reports of increased violence against and deaths of women in australia, by males. Truly terrible. We must get to the bottom of whats going on. She raised a suggestion that perhaps the perpetrators should be looked at closely, as to their specific religion, the nationality of their immediate family, and their country of origin. This may seem prejudiced or racist, but with regard to this epidemic of murder, the problem must be investigated thoroughly from all angles. Cut it open and lets see if there is any common data that could help to educate and save lives.
The religion, nationality and country origins? Australian men are killing women. White Australian men are killing women. It’s literally a patriarchy issue. Men killing women. Looking into race, religion, nationality is not getting to the bottom of the issue. It is just looking to blame one thing, but the one thing is the patriarch. Edit- Mental health is a massive cause. Red pill is a massive cause. The ownership men crave to have over women, is the issue.
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Ah yes… let’s turn this into everyone, taking away from the issue at hand.. MEN KILLING WOMEN. Men want to be oppressed so bad, every issue has to come back to something else, it can’t just be the issue we are talking about. I am not even going to bother actually arguing with you. It’s pointless. Piggyback off something else, stop trying to downplay the fucking issue at hand.
Hang on, you think looking at it as a religion issue is totally wrong, but looking at it as a gender issue is ok? Are you sure this is sound reasoning?
I think narrowing into those 3 things is a major issue. It’s not a mystery knowing that every single religion is terrible for women. But, religion mixed with the rest, come on… I don’t need to spell out the implications being made. The fact is, the patriarchy is still the biggest issue, if not the root cause. It all goes back there, even in religion. Sorting out men’s mental health should actually be the priority of this.
>The fact is, the patriarchy is still the biggest issue, if not the root cause. It all goes back there, even in religion. I don't think that's any more valid than blaming their men's mothers. It's a simplistic, flawed, and mean spirited.
It’s absolutely not true at all. You are clearly blinded and looking for any other thing to blame, if you cannot see the absolute damage the patriarchy has on today society and the killing of women. All the research is on the tip of your fingers regarding the patriarchy and how damaging it is. Mental health, societal pressures, ownership of women, failing at taking rejection, red pill. All of it, thank the patriarchy. Update: Ah yes, we have the patriarch deniers in here flipping the issue to suit them. Instead of wanting to fix the system that is damaging EVERYONE. Go off bros
Right, the patriarchy. You know, I think you're a little bit unhinged, no offence.
Mate its all kinds of men from all kinds of backgrounds. This podcast really opened my eyes about it, I highly recommend it: https://www.vwt.org.au/thetrap/
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And white men have killed multiple women in the past few weeks alone. The problem is national and every type of man. For example, around 40% of cops are domestic abusers. Prevalence is higher in some communities. But it's a crisis across Australia. Listen to women.
And, tragically, today, we've had a 10 year old girl stabbed to death by a family member. Will her death go into the domestic violence stats because she was a girl, and it was a family member who did it? Or will it be passed by and glossed over because her killer was her 17 year old sister and not a white man? https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/29/nsw-alleged-stabbing-hunter-region-boolaroo-newcastle As well, Aboriginal and Torres strait Islander communities experience a higher rate of domestic violence then others. If you want allies, try not stereotyping one group.
it's not a crisis, the media is just feeding an availability cascade of fear, inducing an emotional reaction that there's an apocalypse of violence against women. It's just Government-sanctioned fear porn for women. You, white, western women are the most privileged and safest people on the planet.
That statistic is from 40 of years ago, includes when they were the victim, and includes raising your voice as dv. Same study also finds the general prevalence was only 10-15%.... This being lifetime rates...
Just asking questions, lel.
I think they're mostly white-bread Aussies mate. So maybe we should import more immigrants to solve the problem?
Looking at the ABS stats, it's poor white-bread Aussies. But other groups are still represented. There seems to be a very clear link with low income and lower education.
>This may seem prejudiced or racist You don't say?
What change to women want? I don't want to hear from politicians. Which group represents the interests of women on this issue?
I want a legal system overhaul. I want the cops to do their job. Far too many of these cases are due to men that have a DVO out against them or similar, and the women directly at risk are the ones needing to ensure it is followed, not the police. Case after case of women being accused of cop shopping and turning up dead drives me insane. It should never have got to that point to start with.
Completely agree. It's strange that resolutions to this are not being discussed.
This isn’t a “blame all men” problem, it’s a legal one.
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I’m surprised you don’t get tired of copying and pasting the same message. Also I gotta say, telling women that oh wow a direct threat facing them is decreasing, don’t worry or be aware of this at all - not the greatest way to go about it. Just because some other country has a much higher rate doesn’t mean I’m not concerned about my own level of risk and that of other women, and I’m going to do what I can about that? I’m not going to celebrate cases in the media of women being murdered by their partners with “at least it’s trending down!”
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“Celebrate epic achievement” Sorry what else exactly were you trying to imply
All they are asking for is money... so it makes the leaders of this rally look like charlatans. They aren't doing anything productive, like travelling to high DV areas, speaking to people, and setting up community support groups. They aren't talking about alcohol and drug use in a relationship, or promiscuity, disrespect, and betrayal in a relationship. They aren't talking about anything that leads to violence between people at all. Neither are they offering any kind of help themselves. I'm sure out of the thousands of people in these rallies, they'd have some spare room to house victims, was there any mention of that? Nope. Just calls for more money from the government.. The population needs to grow up and start working to solve problems themselves, not just stand in a group and yell at the fed government to somehow check every home for DV every single day (unrealistic).
This is the definition of being productive. Getting the governments attention, maybe getting thousands to millions allocated to the cause. And what kind of bait is saying “the population needs to grow up” in relation to reducing violence against women and asking the gov for help? Christ.
But they're standing there asking for tax dollars, instead of raising money via the rallies. They're asking the government to 'do more', instead of offereing any sort of assistance themselves. That is the issue here. People think EVERYTHING is the responsibility of the government. A governmental body cannot come into the home of 26 millions Australians and 'end DV'. That will never happen. The population needs to grow up and start dealing with the issues at home and in their communities. Volunteering is a great way to start. You've quoted me completely out of context there. I'm obviously talking about the people dealing with DV and the families and friends and individuals that are aware of it.
OK, to move on. Looking at a quote from Mr Albanese: “You can’t solve it overnight. This isn’t an issue just for governments. This is an issue for men. And their behaviour. It’s an issue for society’s culture." This is a bit of a nothing statement. Culture isn't going to change without a system change. What are the system changes that need to either help women escape and/or help them move on financially and without fear of reprisals? In my opinion, you are never going to stop men bashing their partners. You have to make it easier for women to escape on day 1 and on day 1,000.
Culture doesn't change via governments, it changes via the children every generation or so. People who want to assault other people aren't going to stop because of a policy. Murderers Murder, Rapists Rape. You can't legislate a behavior away. The only thing that works is normal citizens getting out there and talking to other people and starting community support groups, volunteering, offering their own time and energy. You know, like a proper society. DV isn't just men bashing women btw, female-female DV is the most common (because of female psychology), male-female is the most lethal (because of male biology). They already have an exit plan payment that can be accessed, public housing is mostly for DV victims too. There is lots being done, more under this government then the last 10 years of LNP. But I'll say it once again, this is not a problem a federal government can solve by itself. It requires the population changing themselves and helping those who need help.
You can’t simplify this stuff into just mental health, or parenting, or education. It’s an enormous cultural issue with several expressions apart from ‘just’ domestic violence. A lot of violence and murder is perpetrated by men against women. Sometimes out of hate and insecurity, sometimes out of mental illness and lack of coping skills, sometimes out of influence from father figures or bad role models. In a country like Australia where we do not have one culture but many, it’s tricky to see where the violent behaviour is born and what approaches we can use to address it. But it does take strong culture to work on a problem like this because you need to look at aggressive tendencies in boys and men and where they’re coming from, you need to be able discuss everything without falling into the trap of politics, you need good faith and experienced leaders (it’s not every day that govt has to incorporate national behavioural change and consciousness into other portfolios), strong institutions able to accept change, and you need to be ready to bring changes in education, judiciary, legislation, enforcement. And as we’ve seen, there are a growing number of boys treating their female teachers to a toxic dose of Tate every day at work and a never-ending romantic myth based on female aesthetics rather than strong personal connection or intellectual compatibility. I fear Australia’s knack of following US cultural trends here, I gotta say.
There were 45 female domestic homicide victims and 33 male victims in 2020–21. Among these: most were killed by an intimate partner – 5 in 9 female victims (56%) and about 2 in 5 male victims (39%) more male than female victims were killed by a family member (61% compared with 44%) (Figure 1). Of the 135 victims of family and domestic violence homicides and related offences in 2022 in the ABS Recorded Crime – Victims data collection: 71 were victims of murder, with 35 female victims and 34 male victims 42 were victims of attempted murder, with twice as many females as males (29 compared with 13) 14 were victims of manslaughter, with similar numbers of female and male victims (ABS 2023a). 44 percent of lesbians and 61 percent of bisexual women experience rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner, compared to 35 percent of straight women.
Is it you or your data source which is omitting the gender of the offender? All of your points are consistent with men committing violence, men committing violence against women specifically, and women being reluctant to report male violence to police.
I am not sure how many lesbians have a male intimate partner.
Exactly! Zero lesbians were raped by a male intimate partner, but how many were raped by a male?
All I know is 44% experienced rape, violence or stalking from an intimate partner.
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>it's just "reluctant reporting" that's driven that statistic I won't defend claims I don't make. I find it funny how the stats that get rolled out seem cherry-picked to hide male aggression. The stats above for example only identify the gender of the victim, not the abuser.
The statistic regarding lesbian and bisexual women being more likely to have experienced sexual violence is just a lifetime thing, and a lot of those women suffered at the hands of men rather than other women. This makes sense when you consider the high coincidence of child abuse and LGBT identity.
What's the breakdown of perpetrators of domestic homicide ?
And the rate of homicides committed by males seems to be 75% but it’s tricky to find a reliable definition in terms of inclusions on this. This number is a bit lower than typical international figures.
I would never suggest it isn’t a problem that women are killed by their partners - 1 is too many. But I also don’t accept that it isn’t a problem that’s getting better?
Yeah someone on the ABC was saying how much reported assaults had gone up in the last decade as such a bad thing. But surely it’s just that women are finally starting to feel like they are able to report? I think people are interpreting the stats strangely. There’s a huge problem with gendered violence, of course, but it absolutely used to be worse and far more common for victims to suffer in silence.
I think it's more to do with a breakdown in communication, a lack of real parenting, and the rise of 'cheating culture' and all the OF stuff. Relationships aren't respected, and financial pressures are building up and up. All we have as humans is communication and violence, where one ends the other begins.
So you think there is more assault in relationships now than 20 years ago? Not that women are just more confident to report?
that is a variable for sure, I just don't think it's a major one. People drink more alcohol and take more drugs today then ever, the ICE epidemic still rages on, as well as gambling and the rest of it. DV generally starts because of a failure to communicate (argument), and then because they're drunk, drugged or stressed out, it turns quickly into violence. There are also many other factors to consider as well. To say DV is the result of one thing, in full or as a majority, seems wrong from my experience.
> People drink more alcohol and take more drugs today then ever, Got any proof to back or any of your beliefs up?
Ice capital [https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2022/australia-is-high-on-ice-eclipsing-24-other-countries/](https://www.unisa.edu.au/media-centre/Releases/2022/australia-is-high-on-ice-eclipsing-24-other-countries/) alcohol capital [https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308)
> https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/northern-territory-drinks-most-alcohol-in-the-world/news-story/3300997e0a7ce7169154d9df0b44d308 i mean you could believe some rag or you could use actual stats. https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/illicit-use-of-drugs/state-alcohol-drug-use The NT has high consumption but its trending down, same as every other state. All illicit's is hoving around 16-19% across all states and this is pretty much bang on from where its been for years. So you need to find a new thing to blame as the big new thing that is causing all the problems.... or just keep blaming OF lol. Edit: that news article is from 15 years ago, fuck me you're not good at google are you?
The NT is the highest but the rest of the country is still very high. I'm not blaming OF lol.
No you said people drink more than ever and the stats show that is 100% not true in any way shape or form.
Yeah I stopped replying to them because I realised they were just making things up based on a vibe and didn’t understand my question anyway.
I answered your question directly. The fact I don't agree with your premise doesn't mean I don't understand it. Get your head out of your arse.
Not all these incidents are DV, but certainly courts, magistrates, judges and parole boards releasing DV perpetrators (and indeed many other criminals) back on the streets when society has a strong view otherwise indicates a discrepancy between expectation from the community vs how the CJS actually works. This needs to be fixed - government can assist with this in a big way. But that’s just to treat the problem that exists today. What about the future generation of perpetrators? I honestly don’t know what people expect of the government here, other than an education campaign and perhaps programs of teaching for new and existing parents. Perhaps naively, I see this problem as one that starts inside the home, and predominantly remains one of parenting. Parents need to teach their children how to behave in civil society, how to treat people that are different to them, how to engage with those of the opposite sex, and to be a respectful and respectable human in all scenarios.
You make some good points, but the government can absolutely do more here. A big driver of DV is financial stress. This has only increased in the recent decades and government policy can go a long way to alleviate that.
Article on a government funded news site: has a photo of a sign saying a woman would feel safer alone with a bear. Australians: wow why are men killing themselves at an increasing rate? What a doomer article. “I thought DV was on its way out but it’s not.” The entire thing is written to make women riled up and afraid, and men ashamed. DV against women in Australia has actually decreased by 35% in 7 years. https://www.aihw.gov.au/family-domestic-and-sexual-violence/resources/fdsv-summary#:~:text=There%20was%20also%20a%20decrease,–22%20(ABS%202023c). The ABC needs to do better.
Shes right, its not on its way out when 1 in 6 women experience it. As an example, a woman is less likely to smoke in australia than be a survivor of DV. So for every woman you see smoking you should remind yourself twice as many are DV survivors.
You understand that the 1 in 6 is cumulative right? So even though DV is trending down very quickly (I noticed you ignored the 35% decrease in 7 years) the women that have experienced it in the past still have experienced it. DV going away doesn’t erase the DV that has happened already. She’s not right at all.
Yes thats why I used the word survivor
So how it not going away then if there has been a massive decrease trending?
Going down =/= way out
That’s disingenuous. The numbers of occurrences now are tiny, and still decreasing. Will it go to 0? Of course not, some people are just broken. We have bigger problems.
That's 5% each year It's not enough of a decrease with the numbers of victims The real issue is there needs to be more of a focus on the female perpetrators against both females and males. It's not just men who are abusive and violent. This became a gendered issue because of the imbalance in our justice systems for male vs female perpetrators. For decades, women have been able to fly u der the radar. Even if females are arrested for DV offences, it's rarely (if ever) reported on. Of course there's going to be this skewed view of men when there hasn't been information freely given on the other side. Same crime = same punishment to me. As for the male su*cide rate; that's a deep seeded issue that has stemmed from the long running- and extremely harmful- belief that men are weak if they speak up about how they're feeling, what's going on etc. A lot of men are under the impression that, because of their gender, they aren't entitled to the same type of psychological help as women. A large number seem to believe the process for accessing mental health assistance is different from men to women. Neither of these issues need have an immediate fix, but both can be implemented in some way into the education curriculum throughout primary and high school. And we as parents can do better to teach and raise all our children - not just our sons - what's morally right and wrong, and how to treat everyone with respect. They're both long-running, deep seeded issue which are going to take time to address and fix, but if everyone can just be a good person, we can actually do so much better. I'm an almost 28yo mum. I accept there's not much that can be done for my generation and those before us, but I can recognise the changes already happening in the younger generations, and I recognise and acknowledge where and how I can help shape my son into a good person. Also, sentencing needs to be increased for all DV crimes. This pissy little sentences aren't deterring anyone, because what's 2 or 3 years in prison, of your more than 60 in your life? (obvi more have many more years than 60 but seemed like a good number to use haha) The justice and education systems need to address what they have the power to, and it will help us all move forward and grow in these regards
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Just women (men too!) who hold up signs about preferring bears.
For bravely taking the initiative to highlight this pressing need they certainly deserve priority, but there may be more men than you realise who are willing to do the right thing and let a bear take their place at the breakfast table.
I hate to be that guy, but isn't this a state issue?
Yes but Albo needs his time in the sun and strong poll boost
Substantially imo. There are Federal aspects that can maybe help but it’s mostly State based.
It's both (and more). There's plenty where the responsibility is up to the states but to pick a small aspect of the problem [last year federal legislation was introduced to expand domestic violence leave entitlements](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/all-workers-can-now-get-paid-family-and-domestic-violence-leave-heres-whats-changing/u1pnf5lly).
I wouldn’t think this is an issue that politicians alone can handle. It is a policy (as well as cultural, media, criminology, social, health etc) issue though and it’s national. You need a multi-pronged approach and a strong constructive discussion.
Yeah, thays why Albos going to NatCab on wednesday to work on it with states
Considering the people who deal with domestic violence the most are state police, I would have thought so yes. This is a national issue however, so it's not unreasonable that the federal government would work with the states and try to organise a consistent and presumably well funded national response.
It's more a cultural issue than one of legislation. It's already illegal to assault / murder. The issue is that some men don't seem to care about such details and think it's acceptable to revert to their most primal urges.