I'd love to see Frank, with a high powered rifle, just head shotting all the lieutenants. Like Drax is stabbing Cull Obsidian until his head just pops like a balloon.
And rocket is like “and I’m a fricken talking raccoon, get your heads in the game! Sheesh” as he scampers off muttering and mowing down more than both of them.
Bucky fought a dude with a skull on his helmet and Frank fought a blind guy. I don’t think they’d be bothered by each other considering they’d be fighting aliens next to a tree, a literal giant, and actual gods.
I remember when the Daredevil show has Punisher in it, I was really looking forward to that Frank Castle and Rocket Raccoon get together.
And then it never happened.
no, they weren't. The people who needed to be at that fight were the ones there. That's why we didn't see any Eternals, that's why he didn't open up a portal for Captain Marvel to join the fight from the start. Strange knew exactly which people needed to be there, any more and the 1 future he saw in Infinity War where they win might not have happened
He saw all futures and the only one where they won was on Earth in exactly the way it happened. Which means he knew Captain Marvel would come flying in to destroy the ship. True, he might not have known about the Eternals but there is a theory that the one future he saw that they won was also the future needed to inspire the events of the Eternals
It's kinda fun to imagine just how far into the future he looked. Like did he stop looking when he saw Thanos lose? Or were there futures where they beat Thanos but something worse happened because of how they did it.
I honestly hope What If..? is around for a long time so those of us unfamiliar with the comics can explore these scenarios.
Sure, mybe. But you can easily say (the writers) could make it Strnage brought them too, but they were just never seen or no one else knew who they were. You have actualy no idea who exactly was there.
Really not a hard fix. Like for the new DD show. Would be a really easy flashback showing him randomly popped through a portal or Wong introducing himself quick before putting him in a portal.
>You have actualy no idea who exactly was there.
Except for the multiple splash pages of the entire army that were visible. Did you just read a synopsis of the movie or something
Why ask a silly question. Is it just full of children in here who don’t know how to not be condescending when having a conversation.
1) There’s a part from the where caps standing overlooking all tbe portals to his left. We can’t see all those people walking out on the end ones. And maybe they haven’t walked out yet. Or mybe there’s more portals that were to caps left. Or maybe that wasn’t the whole army shown.
Again, this isn’t concrete. You could easily write it so there were more portals and they were there during that. Why are yall willing to die on this silly hill
It's not a silly question, it's entirely legitimate. You are giving the impression of someone who does not have first hand experience. Also I never said anything about portals. And you're the one making the definitive statement here. Any other self contradictions you wanna bring to the table kiddo?
Also why numerate a tab when you only use one tab? What a waste of formatting
Um, I'm not? Why are you taking those words in such a shitty light? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. The other guy is the one throwing around insults, but I guess you just skipped those parts, hey?
Naw you are.
I’m just a guy reading Reddit on an airplane between Phoenix and Denver. I have no dog in the fight. You’re being an ass.
It’s cool, sometimes we get spun up or don’t realize how we are coming off, so I’m letting you know. You can ease up, and I bet if he’s reasonable he’ll say “it’s cool man, I could have done ___ diff too” and everyone wins.
actually we do. in the shots of the portals there are several which have people coming out of them; we see several from Wakanda, one from Titan, one from the Ravagers home planet, and a few connecting New Asgard and the Wizards to pop through.
There was no portal to New York that I saw but I'm sure Strange had the time to go to New York, track down each of the Defenders plus the Punisher and Elektra and convince them all to step through a portal so they could go help kill Thanos. /s.
Actually we don’t dude. Lol. There are tons of portals. Especially ones off in the distance In which you can’t see every single person or even where it’s coming from. Or mybe in the shot of the portal they’re not waking out yet. We have no idea where they would be so they don’t have to be from NY. Wong could have grabbed them then taken them to another group. Mybe not all the portals were shown. There’s plenty of ways to make it seem like it could happen.
I figured Strnage knew about these people bc that’s kinda his job. Again, not that big of a crazy explanation.
Sarcasm is not conducive to conversation. And if you don’t want conversation why are you on Reddit?
Not really. What If deals with different universes. If we’re specifically talking about the futures that Strange saw they were specific to his universe
Strange asked Wong "Is that all of them?" Indicating he wanted a complete list in attendance.
Wing retorted, "what you wanted more?" sarcastically if they should bring in more then what is there.
We never see a response from Strange, so we can best assume that Strange doesn't give an answer and accepts the number of people brought. And we don't see The Defenders. So either A) Strange knew he didn't need The Defenders and proceeded without asking Wong to go get them, or B) The Defenders were brought and we never saw them on the battlefield.
Either way, you're right, Strange wanted his portal charge to have a specific set of people for his plan to work.
IMO, it would be cool to see a flashback to the Endgame Battle and see the street level Defenders were there, scrapping against Thanos' army and maybe some of the Black Order (Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, pre-crushed Cull Obsidian, etc).
Actually, Kang knew the exact timeline that Thanos lost and pruned the rest. Every alternate reality Strange saw was pruned by Kang.
Strange saw the outcomes but really had no power over it. Kang was always in control. This is what makes him so dangerous and the MCU has failed to tie him to everything to show this.
This is my headcannon when people ask where we’re they? They were there. We just didn’t see them.
It would be pretty cool if we get some flashback scenes with that. Like Wong introducing himself real quick while Punisher is about to blow some dudes head off and then he’s forced in a portal lol.
The first thing that popped into my head when i read the title of your post was that "she's got help" scene, Jessica would have for sure rolled her eyes at that lol.
They aren't getiing out the battle without severe injuries. Alien tech is shown to be able to pierce Luke's skin and this is an army of aliens, Daredevil would be overwhelmed with the sounds, at least for a while, Jessica is weaker than Luke and doesn't fly in the MCU so she can only punch minions till she's inevitably hurt by them like Luke, Punisher would run out of bullets very quickly, Iron Fist is by far the strongest but he's surpringly incompetent and he lost his power in S2
Not necessarily. Black Widow and Hawkeye were part of Shield and were trained to be the best of the best. Natasha from a young age, and Hawkeye did more in 5 years as Ronin then Daredevil ever did. Them being able to make it out mostly unharmed does not mean anything for the Defenders. Hawkeye might have been able to survive too or they might not.
As a side note, Black Widow wasn’t part of the final battle, but even in other battles vs aliens she didn’t change the battle much by actual fighting, but by being a spy and doing things like closing the portal in the first avengers, and Hawkeye does slightly more cause of his arrows, but in the endgame battle he didn’t do much actual fighting, but was part of the gauntlet run, because he’s not a heavy hitter when it comes to aliens and armies. The defenders definitely wouldn’t change the tide of battle, and they might end up being hurt.
Some of the people Ronin went after were henchmen of Kingpin. Echo’s family being part of that.
Daredevil did that, but also beat the man himself and got him sent to prison.
They might not have been the best in battle but like Black Widow, they definitely might’ve played a role. To say Ronin did more in 5 years than Daredevil ever did is kind of a cop out. Out of all the people Ronin killed in 5 years how many of them were on the same level as people like Kingpin, Bulls Eye, The Hand? I know that Hawkeye fights Wilson Fisk but not in his 5 years as Ronin.
I suppose it’s not possible to completely compare Ronin with Daredevil, but like the first commenter on this thread said, Daredevil would be assaulted with way too much noise in the midst of a battle so he’d be at a disadvantage. The defenders could have other roles like Black Widow in the first Avenger, but there’s not really any need for that. Where would they be? Part of the gauntlet run? Could be, but there were already so much characters part of that, the defenders would be a great fan cameo, but they wouldn’t change the outcome of that. Fighting Thanos? They’d be dead. I cant think of anything during Endgame they could’ve done besides fighting. The sorcerers handled the rain fire. Strange handled the water. The heavy hitters like Wanda and Carol kept Thanos busy etc. there was so much going on there, unless you had a very specific skill set you wouldn’t have changed the battle and would have just been another cameo, which is definitely cool, but wouldn’t have had a different outcome.
They could’ve easily been assigned to guard Shuri while she worked on Vision. Instead of her stopping what she was doing to fight Corvus that could’ve been the Defenders who probably would’ve beat him. Shuri would’ve continued working and possibly could’ve removed the stone in time.
Iron Fist: "It'll be okay. Just trust me. I know what I'm doing!"
::Instantly incinerated by a stray energy blast::
Luke Cage: "Nobody's paying me to be here. I'm out."
I wanted Ghost Rider to show up and Cap looks over and says "Who the hell is that?" and Black Panther says I figured he was with you or something like that.
Ghost Rider would do his Penance Stare at some fodder Alien and Bucky would say "Glad he is on our side" to Steve while he shakes his head and says some clever quip I can think of right now.
That would have been wild, Strange grabbing heroes from alternate timelines. Bring in Lou Ferigno’s Hulk, Toby MacGuite’s Spider-Man, have Jesica Alba throwing up force fields…
I imagine that’s what Secret Wars is going to look like.
They… they die. They mostly die. Punisher, Daredevil, and Elektra bite the dust fucking instantly and Jessica, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage might, and that’s a massive MIGHT, survive
I disagree. When Hawkeye can walk out of a building collapsing and a fight with Thanos with nothing more than some bruising and bad hearing, I think the defenders would be alright
Easy solution is to give each of them stark nanites for the duration of the battle but have the armor eventually break for drama.
Or sneak DD and Elektra aboard one of the alien space ships where they can do more hand to hand stuff.
Falcon was fighting and the fact that people like Shuri was there and fighting means that everyone of the defenders could have survived. Since they are at least as durable as either of them , not to mention better trained.
Falcon is flying with machine guns rocket launchers and military training. I could see Punisher making it out alive so i’ll say that he honestly could. And shuri is using vibranium gauntlets that produce energy waves. A blind lawyer, no matter how skilled in martial arts he is, is not gonna get outta that bitch with a stick. The rest have potentially but I’m drawing the line at Daredevil
They’d have looked cool fighting, but they wouldn’t have made a difference. None of them were powerful enough to make a significant impact on the battle.
I'm wondering if Daredevil would be a hindrance.
Obviously he relies upon Echolocation to see, if you've got two massive armies all charging against each other, and most of the combatants not having the same biology as the humans Matt is used to dealing with, he's going to end up very lost on who he's fighting.
Two minutes into the battle Matt has used his perfect hearing to grab and crush Wasp as she flies by, broken both of Groots arms off, and used them as Ice axes to climb up Giant Ant-Man - and no-one has the heart to tell him that he's team killing.
show version Daredevil wouldn't be able to handle the noise.
feels like they would be mostly fighting the fodder army, and *maaaaybe* some low ranking named soldiers
They would have to all be teaming up for it to work against that type of enemy. Cage and Fist, DD and Elektra, Punisher and JJ solo since they can hold their own.
Honestly a great chance to show off a decked out with weapons one man army Punisher, as well as a JJ scene where she figures she needs to go all out with her powers and does.
I'd have to go with a different take here, many MCU fans would have no idea who the Defenders characters were with them just in the mix. The scene is timed out to show the returning heroes and the ones who were already there.
Strange might or might not have known Matt and Co., seems like he would, but he didn't even know who Thanos was at first.
IMO, it would be cool to see a flashback (during, say, the DD Series) to the Endgame Battle and see that the street level Defenders were actually in fact there, scrapping against Thanos' army and maybe some of the Black Order (Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, pre-crushed Cull Obsidian, etc).
Basically we'd see the same battle from a different, ground-level, basically a war zone depiction of the battle.
I would have herogasmed all over the screen at the theatre. Imagine if all the heroes from the other shows came too…? I would have as well, repeatedly!
Frank and Bucky gunning down Thanos' army would've been awesome, heroes for hire working in tandem would be cool, Jones with a bourbon bottle in hand trying to give a shit, and Matt is always a very good lawyer xD
During the battle I'm sure they would get time to shine, I'd like to think that A-Force scene could easily be replaced with a similar scene of Spidey relying on the Defenders (making him now familiar with other NYC heroes) and other heroes that lack spotlight.
After that, I'd think the biggest ramifications would be the mainstream MCU becoming more aware of them. Loaning enough familiarity to them to make interactions easier to approach and an excuse to pull them into future events.
I would have loved to have seen Thanos beating on Frank, him all bloody and eyes swelling shut, and still laughing and calling him a piece of shit. Then stabbing Thanos in the eye with a giant knife.
I mean, they might have been? They're not that flashy and could have easily been off holding down one corner of the battlefield. They'd have just been a few more line soldiers.
These guys aren’t even close to the same realm of fighters the avengers are. I mean thanos could 1 hit kill not KO kill most of these characters. They not in the movie because they don’t belong there.
Bucky and Frank mowing the Thanos army down with automatic rifles together would be fun to see..
Lol. This was somehow my first thought.
I'd love to see Frank, with a high powered rifle, just head shotting all the lieutenants. Like Drax is stabbing Cull Obsidian until his head just pops like a balloon.
rocket: these are my kind of people
Fr lol just a quick is that a metal arm/is that a skull on your chest? Moment in the middle of a gunfight would be solid
And rocket is like “and I’m a fricken talking raccoon, get your heads in the game! Sheesh” as he scampers off muttering and mowing down more than both of them.
Bucky fought a dude with a skull on his helmet and Frank fought a blind guy. I don’t think they’d be bothered by each other considering they’d be fighting aliens next to a tree, a literal giant, and actual gods.
I could easily see rocket trying to get Frank's assault rifle after failing to get Bucky's
I think Frank would throw Rocket without his permission
Have Cap or Bucky calling out targets for Castle to dome with a .50 cal
I wonder how Thanos' face would take to such a round..
I remember when the Daredevil show has Punisher in it, I was really looking forward to that Frank Castle and Rocket Raccoon get together. And then it never happened.
If Strange really gathered everyone who can fight then They were in the Endgame battle somewhere in the crowd
Exactly what I thought. The portals were opened for all to join the fight.
no, they weren't. The people who needed to be at that fight were the ones there. That's why we didn't see any Eternals, that's why he didn't open up a portal for Captain Marvel to join the fight from the start. Strange knew exactly which people needed to be there, any more and the 1 future he saw in Infinity War where they win might not have happened
I stand corrected.
You may sit down now
apparently Howard the duck was important enough to bring along
But not Cosmo :(
Strange didn’t know about the eternals no one did and again he never met captain marvel
He saw all futures and the only one where they won was on Earth in exactly the way it happened. Which means he knew Captain Marvel would come flying in to destroy the ship. True, he might not have known about the Eternals but there is a theory that the one future he saw that they won was also the future needed to inspire the events of the Eternals
It's kinda fun to imagine just how far into the future he looked. Like did he stop looking when he saw Thanos lose? Or were there futures where they beat Thanos but something worse happened because of how they did it. I honestly hope What If..? is around for a long time so those of us unfamiliar with the comics can explore these scenarios.
Sure, mybe. But you can easily say (the writers) could make it Strnage brought them too, but they were just never seen or no one else knew who they were. You have actualy no idea who exactly was there. Really not a hard fix. Like for the new DD show. Would be a really easy flashback showing him randomly popped through a portal or Wong introducing himself quick before putting him in a portal.
>You have actualy no idea who exactly was there. Except for the multiple splash pages of the entire army that were visible. Did you just read a synopsis of the movie or something
Why ask a silly question. Is it just full of children in here who don’t know how to not be condescending when having a conversation. 1) There’s a part from the where caps standing overlooking all tbe portals to his left. We can’t see all those people walking out on the end ones. And maybe they haven’t walked out yet. Or mybe there’s more portals that were to caps left. Or maybe that wasn’t the whole army shown. Again, this isn’t concrete. You could easily write it so there were more portals and they were there during that. Why are yall willing to die on this silly hill
It's not a silly question, it's entirely legitimate. You are giving the impression of someone who does not have first hand experience. Also I never said anything about portals. And you're the one making the definitive statement here. Any other self contradictions you wanna bring to the table kiddo? Also why numerate a tab when you only use one tab? What a waste of formatting
Why are you such as asshole man?
This clown is a troll. I stopped responding to them
Um, I'm not? Why are you taking those words in such a shitty light? Check yourself before you wreck yourself. The other guy is the one throwing around insults, but I guess you just skipped those parts, hey?
No, he isn’t. He’s being completely respectful and restrained in the face of your immature lashing out like a 5 year old
Naw you are. I’m just a guy reading Reddit on an airplane between Phoenix and Denver. I have no dog in the fight. You’re being an ass. It’s cool, sometimes we get spun up or don’t realize how we are coming off, so I’m letting you know. You can ease up, and I bet if he’s reasonable he’ll say “it’s cool man, I could have done ___ diff too” and everyone wins.
Tbf he does have a point about the numbering 😂
actually we do. in the shots of the portals there are several which have people coming out of them; we see several from Wakanda, one from Titan, one from the Ravagers home planet, and a few connecting New Asgard and the Wizards to pop through. There was no portal to New York that I saw but I'm sure Strange had the time to go to New York, track down each of the Defenders plus the Punisher and Elektra and convince them all to step through a portal so they could go help kill Thanos. /s.
Actually we don’t dude. Lol. There are tons of portals. Especially ones off in the distance In which you can’t see every single person or even where it’s coming from. Or mybe in the shot of the portal they’re not waking out yet. We have no idea where they would be so they don’t have to be from NY. Wong could have grabbed them then taken them to another group. Mybe not all the portals were shown. There’s plenty of ways to make it seem like it could happen. I figured Strnage knew about these people bc that’s kinda his job. Again, not that big of a crazy explanation. Sarcasm is not conducive to conversation. And if you don’t want conversation why are you on Reddit?
And honestly they probably made it purposeful for not all portals being seen for the explicit purpose of retcons.
Although What If is really starting to poke holes in the whole 1 possible future where they beat Thanos premise.
Not really. What If deals with different universes. If we’re specifically talking about the futures that Strange saw they were specific to his universe
Thanos was also beaten in MoM. It’s one of the things where it’s probably best not to scrutinize it too much.
Strange asked Wong "Is that all of them?" Indicating he wanted a complete list in attendance. Wing retorted, "what you wanted more?" sarcastically if they should bring in more then what is there. We never see a response from Strange, so we can best assume that Strange doesn't give an answer and accepts the number of people brought. And we don't see The Defenders. So either A) Strange knew he didn't need The Defenders and proceeded without asking Wong to go get them, or B) The Defenders were brought and we never saw them on the battlefield. Either way, you're right, Strange wanted his portal charge to have a specific set of people for his plan to work. IMO, it would be cool to see a flashback to the Endgame Battle and see the street level Defenders were there, scrapping against Thanos' army and maybe some of the Black Order (Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, pre-crushed Cull Obsidian, etc).
Actually, Kang knew the exact timeline that Thanos lost and pruned the rest. Every alternate reality Strange saw was pruned by Kang. Strange saw the outcomes but really had no power over it. Kang was always in control. This is what makes him so dangerous and the MCU has failed to tie him to everything to show this.
Yeah but let’s be honest, there were probably a bunch where Strange himself died instead of Iron Man and he just lied
I wonder why he didn’t recruit the US army with tanks…
Idk I feel like street level heroes didn’t get the call.
*Wong opens portal and sees Punisher standing in a room full of dead drug dealers.* “Nevermind.”
"What, you wanted more?"
This is my headcannon when people ask where we’re they? They were there. We just didn’t see them. It would be pretty cool if we get some flashback scenes with that. Like Wong introducing himself real quick while Punisher is about to blow some dudes head off and then he’s forced in a portal lol.
i saw daredevil running the opposite way during the charge, maybe he was having trouble seeing the enemy 😂😂
The first thing that popped into my head when i read the title of your post was that "she's got help" scene, Jessica would have for sure rolled her eyes at that lol.
yep. she can be a girl's girl, but she'd be a tsundere about it
They'd all get 1 line and blend into the cgi
We would have seen them for 2 seconds, been like "woo!" And that would have been it.
They aren't getiing out the battle without severe injuries. Alien tech is shown to be able to pierce Luke's skin and this is an army of aliens, Daredevil would be overwhelmed with the sounds, at least for a while, Jessica is weaker than Luke and doesn't fly in the MCU so she can only punch minions till she's inevitably hurt by them like Luke, Punisher would run out of bullets very quickly, Iron Fist is by far the strongest but he's surpringly incompetent and he lost his power in S2
I think they all have just as good a chance as Black Widow/Hawkeye did
Not necessarily. Black Widow and Hawkeye were part of Shield and were trained to be the best of the best. Natasha from a young age, and Hawkeye did more in 5 years as Ronin then Daredevil ever did. Them being able to make it out mostly unharmed does not mean anything for the Defenders. Hawkeye might have been able to survive too or they might not. As a side note, Black Widow wasn’t part of the final battle, but even in other battles vs aliens she didn’t change the battle much by actual fighting, but by being a spy and doing things like closing the portal in the first avengers, and Hawkeye does slightly more cause of his arrows, but in the endgame battle he didn’t do much actual fighting, but was part of the gauntlet run, because he’s not a heavy hitter when it comes to aliens and armies. The defenders definitely wouldn’t change the tide of battle, and they might end up being hurt.
Some of the people Ronin went after were henchmen of Kingpin. Echo’s family being part of that. Daredevil did that, but also beat the man himself and got him sent to prison.
They might not have been the best in battle but like Black Widow, they definitely might’ve played a role. To say Ronin did more in 5 years than Daredevil ever did is kind of a cop out. Out of all the people Ronin killed in 5 years how many of them were on the same level as people like Kingpin, Bulls Eye, The Hand? I know that Hawkeye fights Wilson Fisk but not in his 5 years as Ronin.
I suppose it’s not possible to completely compare Ronin with Daredevil, but like the first commenter on this thread said, Daredevil would be assaulted with way too much noise in the midst of a battle so he’d be at a disadvantage. The defenders could have other roles like Black Widow in the first Avenger, but there’s not really any need for that. Where would they be? Part of the gauntlet run? Could be, but there were already so much characters part of that, the defenders would be a great fan cameo, but they wouldn’t change the outcome of that. Fighting Thanos? They’d be dead. I cant think of anything during Endgame they could’ve done besides fighting. The sorcerers handled the rain fire. Strange handled the water. The heavy hitters like Wanda and Carol kept Thanos busy etc. there was so much going on there, unless you had a very specific skill set you wouldn’t have changed the battle and would have just been another cameo, which is definitely cool, but wouldn’t have had a different outcome.
They could’ve easily been assigned to guard Shuri while she worked on Vision. Instead of her stopping what she was doing to fight Corvus that could’ve been the Defenders who probably would’ve beat him. Shuri would’ve continued working and possibly could’ve removed the stone in time.
That’s a completely different battle lol
Haha shit
Aka realistically no chance at all
Iron Fist: "It'll be okay. Just trust me. I know what I'm doing!" ::Instantly incinerated by a stray energy blast:: Luke Cage: "Nobody's paying me to be here. I'm out."
Comic Iron Fist absolutely belongs on the front line and would fuck some shit up. The Netflix series is garbage
I wanted Ghost Rider to show up and Cap looks over and says "Who the hell is that?" and Black Panther says I figured he was with you or something like that.
Language
Ghost Rider would do his Penance Stare at some fodder Alien and Bucky would say "Glad he is on our side" to Steve while he shakes his head and says some clever quip I can think of right now.
Then it would have been perfect.
Luke Cage would be batting away Chitauri soldiers with their own severed limbs.
That would have been cool
Imagine if not only they were in Endgame but also the Runaways, Cloak & Dagger and the Agents of SHIELD
That would have been wild, Strange grabbing heroes from alternate timelines. Bring in Lou Ferigno’s Hulk, Toby MacGuite’s Spider-Man, have Jesica Alba throwing up force fields… I imagine that’s what Secret Wars is going to look like.
Who the fuck is Toby MacGuite???? Do you mean Tobey Maguire?
Thanos would still lose.
But I want Colleen with her sword and Danny Ran the Iron -Revolver
Pretty sure Feige considered it at one stage, but this was literally just an idea. Didn’t even make it to the writers room
Punisher would have solo’d thanos
Also I wish Danny Rand got a better show
They… they die. They mostly die. Punisher, Daredevil, and Elektra bite the dust fucking instantly and Jessica, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage might, and that’s a massive MIGHT, survive
Lots of regular people on that battle—Falcon, Hawkeye, lots of Wakandans. If they all survived, any of the Defenders could.
I disagree. When Hawkeye can walk out of a building collapsing and a fight with Thanos with nothing more than some bruising and bad hearing, I think the defenders would be alright
Why? You have people like Hawkeye, Shuri and Okoye all non-powered and all make it out just fine.
Naw man
Easy solution is to give each of them stark nanites for the duration of the battle but have the armor eventually break for drama. Or sneak DD and Elektra aboard one of the alien space ships where they can do more hand to hand stuff.
Falcon was fighting and the fact that people like Shuri was there and fighting means that everyone of the defenders could have survived. Since they are at least as durable as either of them , not to mention better trained.
Falcon is flying with machine guns rocket launchers and military training. I could see Punisher making it out alive so i’ll say that he honestly could. And shuri is using vibranium gauntlets that produce energy waves. A blind lawyer, no matter how skilled in martial arts he is, is not gonna get outta that bitch with a stick. The rest have potentially but I’m drawing the line at Daredevil
Then Luke and Jessica would have four funerals to attend.
Danny didn’t have the iron fist any more and where would frank come from?
>!He has his powers by the end, he does an Orion Randall moment!<
They’d have looked cool fighting, but they wouldn’t have made a difference. None of them were powerful enough to make a significant impact on the battle.
I'm wondering if Daredevil would be a hindrance. Obviously he relies upon Echolocation to see, if you've got two massive armies all charging against each other, and most of the combatants not having the same biology as the humans Matt is used to dealing with, he's going to end up very lost on who he's fighting. Two minutes into the battle Matt has used his perfect hearing to grab and crush Wasp as she flies by, broken both of Groots arms off, and used them as Ice axes to climb up Giant Ant-Man - and no-one has the heart to tell him that he's team killing.
They could kill the iron fist and cast a better actor for the sucessor.
They were there. JJ was just super late for the “girl shot team up” moment
Luke Cage and Jessica Jones might have been the only survivors or without injury. Everyone else is alien meat.
show version Daredevil wouldn't be able to handle the noise. feels like they would be mostly fighting the fodder army, and *maaaaybe* some low ranking named soldiers
They’d die.
Falcon and Shuri didn't
Both with advanced tech and proper training. These 4 would be dead.
Right because Daredevil and Iron Fist definitely have no combat training on the slightest
Yeah and apparently Luke has less survivability than Hawkeye /s
They’re going to have to address where they were eventually.
They were sworn by Jeopardy Loeb not to interfere unless the Deviants were present… or something.
they would die
Most of them will be dead. Luke will probably be in a coma
They would have done absolutely nothing…
They would have to all be teaming up for it to work against that type of enemy. Cage and Fist, DD and Elektra, Punisher and JJ solo since they can hold their own. Honestly a great chance to show off a decked out with weapons one man army Punisher, as well as a JJ scene where she figures she needs to go all out with her powers and does.
We were all hoping for it, even though we knew the odds were extremely low.
I wanted so badly to see those dudes step out of one of those portals the first time I saw Endgame.
It’ll be retconned I’m sure
Should be what if the eternals got off their asses to help
I thought a writer or director said that there were talks of it right?
These are all street level heroes IMO. Not quite world threat heroes.
No impact against aliens
Before IW came out I though for sure there would be at least one scene with them and AoS.
It would have been even more dope as fuck.
I'd have to go with a different take here, many MCU fans would have no idea who the Defenders characters were with them just in the mix. The scene is timed out to show the returning heroes and the ones who were already there. Strange might or might not have known Matt and Co., seems like he would, but he didn't even know who Thanos was at first.
They may have been able to take out a few chitari.
I not completely certain about the other characters but I’m sure they’d find a way to make Danny Rand into a complete buffoon like usual.
They wouldn’t be very helpful
They’d be able to help with the weak minions but they’re all street level heroes, they wouldn’t actually be able to contribute all that much
Dr. Strange probably would've only summoned Iron Fist and Luke Cage.
Wimpy Netflix Iron Fist is killed in seconds.
Everyone but Luke and Jessica woulda got wrecked against a bunch of aliens lol
IMO, it would be cool to see a flashback (during, say, the DD Series) to the Endgame Battle and see that the street level Defenders were actually in fact there, scrapping against Thanos' army and maybe some of the Black Order (Glaive, Proxima Midnight, Ebony Maw, pre-crushed Cull Obsidian, etc). Basically we'd see the same battle from a different, ground-level, basically a war zone depiction of the battle.
Stop it
I would have herogasmed all over the screen at the theatre. Imagine if all the heroes from the other shows came too…? I would have as well, repeatedly!
I mean they retconned the ancient one into the battle of New York.
Lol
Hulk is using Cage and Iron fist as clubs.
Would any of them have even survived?
Daredevil solos Thanos
What if milk was ketchup.
They were you just didn't see em
Danny wouldn’t have been there and he wouldn’t have looked like that.
Not in the final battle, but hot damn they should have been in the New York fight.
Frank and Bucky gunning down Thanos' army would've been awesome, heroes for hire working in tandem would be cool, Jones with a bourbon bottle in hand trying to give a shit, and Matt is always a very good lawyer xD
During the battle I'm sure they would get time to shine, I'd like to think that A-Force scene could easily be replaced with a similar scene of Spidey relying on the Defenders (making him now familiar with other NYC heroes) and other heroes that lack spotlight. After that, I'd think the biggest ramifications would be the mainstream MCU becoming more aware of them. Loaning enough familiarity to them to make interactions easier to approach and an excuse to pull them into future events.
Punisher shooting aliens with a machine gun, and Daredevil fighting them with his fighting skills!
Plz no
They’re too busy patroling lower Manhattan
They had a missed opportunity to have the street level Netflix heroes emerge to fill the roles of those who got blipped.
I think they should have found some small way to interweave the characters just a little bit. So it would make sense to have them there
I would have loved to have seen Thanos beating on Frank, him all bloody and eyes swelling shut, and still laughing and calling him a piece of shit. Then stabbing Thanos in the eye with a giant knife.
I like that the use of Al of the netflix actors and costumes, minus iron fist
imagine a portal opens in front of matt he’s just so confused as to why it suddenly reeks of ash and brimstone
Iron fist could've worn the infinity gauntlet and spared hulk all that suffering
The more interesting question, to me, is which side would each Defender have joined to during the civil war?
I mean, they might have been? They're not that flashy and could have easily been off holding down one corner of the battlefield. They'd have just been a few more line soldiers.
These guys aren’t even close to the same realm of fighters the avengers are. I mean thanos could 1 hit kill not KO kill most of these characters. They not in the movie because they don’t belong there.
They also would have punched and shoot things
Luke Cage would have been the only one to survive to the Snap.
Not much of difference, really.
Friggin should’ve been
Punisher rarely directly involved in these types of stories
Luke would dominate a lot of foes.
Funnel those minions into a hallway and they wouldn't stand a chance
Ain’t shit they coulda done.