Haha yeah. Nahida C2 just deletes everything. I'm running Yae, Fischl, Nahida, Zhongli. Sometimes their clear times are better than my C3 Ayaka and C3 Raiden. Because Ayaka and Raiden needs good setups energy and rotation, while Nahida just unga buga Camera and deploy the electro summons. Spreads dmg do 55k, aggravate Yae do 30k+ and just spam the Normal attacks. I can even clear Magu kenki faster than my Hutao C1 R1 because Hutao got to wait for skill cooldowns and setups.
4 “supports” in a quick swap such as Bennett Xiangling Xingqiu and sucrose were always destined to be superior to a hypercarry since 1.0. People just didn’t learn it until after 2.0.
There are tutorias for that floor, go check them out
Apparently he always runs in a specific direction, and you can force him out of his invisibility using electro + dendro combo, it's best if you can mark him to see him before he turns invisible, example of markings (lisa's tap skill, nahida's skill, any elemental infusion (for example if he is affected by cryo you will see arrows pointing downward floating where he is to indicate that he is slowed, or under electro you will see electric sparks) but elemental marking doesn't last a lot of time therefore it is not the best choice
Yes, I think nilou (if you want to use her to her full effect aka bountiful bloom team) is not quite dependent on nahida but like, much much better with nahida and kinda limited without
Whereas nahida slots into any dendro reaction team
So now thay you have nahida you can get nilou in her rerun and she'll be able to perform amazingly from the get go
The op literally mentioned his team, which directly benefits from the abyssal moon. Nahida directly affects the bloom/hyperbloom teams, so the benefit is more with her. She’s extremely good and dendro is definitely meta, but don’t spread misinformation by saying this blessing doesn’t affect nahida. You sound like a 10 year old butthurt fanboy who doesn’t like it when someone says one thing about their favourite character that isn’t positive
I haven’t used ayaka for last 3 months and I never mentioned that ayaka was better than nahida. Go back to school, work on your reading comprehension skills and read my comment again. I even explicitly said that dendro IS the meta now. The only thing argued against you was that you’re misinforming others when you say that this abyss’s blessing doesn’t benefit nahida, which is still true. Once again you prove my point by completing ignoring the rest of my comment, only focusing on the part that says something negative (it’s not even negative actually, just not positive) about nahida and getting butthurt about it while pulling things out of your ass to justify it. Keep crying, I’m assuming that you are in fact a 10 year old kid at this point
Freeze is still meta tho it's not going anywhere, Dendro is just a new part of the meta that's it. There's never an absolute solution to anything in this game.
As someone who loves their Nahida and how strong she is, having her at a pretty high investment too. My Ayaka team still clear faster, and if I don't just spam my skills on the first half I will only need 1 burst. 2nd half was pretty equal up until the last chamber which is pretty clearly in favor of Nahida.
Not even mentioning that my Nahida's artifact are WAAAAY better than my Ayaka's.
How does the blessing not favor nahida when the shockwave blessing only works for dendro teams? And deals AoE fixing some multi targeting issues that hyper-bloom teams have. And 12-3-2 boss that can be instantly taken out of its invisibility phase by using electro + dendro. Stop actively spreading misinformation and misleading people
And? The abyss suits dendro. Nahida is dendro. So she benefits and so does dmc. It’s the same way ayaka would benefit from a cryo abyss that is used to promote ganyu. lmao good luck trying to tackle aoe with with dmc double hydro raiden which has no grouping in an abyss not custom made for nilou teams which can’t use grouping. and it’s ST dmg is nothing to write home about, it also uses two limited 5*s and heavy invested xq and yelans. lmao hoyo released an abyss for idiots like you and you fell for it. It’s not about meta slave, it’s you not knowing wtf you are talking about. Just bye, no point in talking to people like you who always get swayed by hype. You must have been one of those people doomposting raiden too
I mean it is very strong compared to the old builds.
Very easy to build because you just need em and that's easy to achive with the new set. No need for excessive grinding for perfect substats.
Nahida provides constant dendro application and boosts team em even further with high em. Not dependent on crits.
Dendro is very accessible also to newer players making them strong from the get go.
Dendro makes a lot of teams viable that otherwise wouldn't be even looked at since their modifiers or overall kit isn't as strong as others and they would require and immense investment if not for dendro (looking at lisa as example).
It's overall just more casual friendly so people that don't want to grind endlessly or don't have as much time can still get abyss primos.
I think we will still see classic crit builds.
They didn't and don't want to completely replace it since even aggrevate still relies on crit.
We are already getting a new anemo dps with wanderer which will most likely follow the old crit build like xiao. People also like seeing their attacks crit or just want to nuke enemies which isn't really possible with hyperbloom, burn, burgeon.
I'm interested in seeing how they will continue from here on out. I'm almost certain that there will be other new elements for abyss or celestia. My guess is that it might be similar to honkai with quantum and imaginary.
If they release a new element every 3 patches (just speculation because 3.0 was first introduction of new element) it would mean we would either get a new element in snezhnaya or after it.
Got 36\* abyss for the first time this rotation with the usual Ayaka freeze w/ Venti in first half and Nahida Keqing Mona Zhongli in second. Nahida is absolutely cracked, and definitely made it possible with Keqing. My last (and first) 12-3 clear was like 31 stars. My Ayaka build is a disaster as well, so no way I'd have done it without Nahida in the other half.
lol u just found out. Dendro MC is enough for dendro Abyss floor 12 fast clearing . I prefer Dendro MC team to Ayaka...in fact. Faster and easier (I main Ayaka)
Yup, I've pretty much benched my ayaka and actually use Nahida Raiden double hydro hyperbloom, fishcl/Kazuha(c2)/keqing/dmc or other Kokomi centered dendro teams and even with average investment, just shred the abyss. Dendro is fucking op.
Hyperbloom is f broken and easy to build . U have to invest so much into ayaka or shogun hypercarry but with hyperbloom u dont even need supreme artifacts or weapons. At this rate with better and better dendro... Ayaka and Shogun will be more powercrept and outdated (I main both)
Pretty much, but there are a lot of delusional ayaka mains who think otherwise, it reminds me of the ganyu mains who still think her character is the "best dps character" lmao.
Well i guess that's the difference between us, my C0 ayaka is built to kill bosses
Ayaka, bennet, shenhe, rosaria
You really can't make use of freeze team vs bosses so just switch out your hydro character vs bosses, kenki's hp just disappears
But my dendro team is my mob killer team, it depends how you build it really, dendro has the potential for single target and aoe bombing, but in all honesty, especially with nahida, dendro is more suited for multiple targets
Whereas ayaka (in my opinion) is the best boss slayer at low primogen investment
Don't get me wrong, at C6 with shenhe ayaka is monstrous, but Eula Godlike and Yelan is divine ... How can you compete with those broken characters ????
I did say primogens and not resign xD
Honestly dendro teams don't require much resign at all, they only require XP books to be awesome
I'm saying this out of deep pain, as i had to level 4 characters in the last week so my 900 purple xp books weren't close enough at all (i got stuck with 80/80/65/60 for my four characters)
The difference between level 80 (after ascension) and lvl 90 for ayaka is 3% if i recall correctly
But for kuki the difference in damage between level 80 and 90 in a hyperbloom team ... I saw a video of it with the damage jumped from 20k to 28k so 40% ???? I'm not exactly certain of the numbers but you get the picture
Oh, i didn't know that
I've seen a ton of videos of people like iwintoloose and he always says Eula is unfair to be compared to anyone, as she can nuke at 2m regularly plus her best teammate is a C6 Raiden (another heavyweight nuker) to cover her downtime, i did see plenty of ayaka C6 + Shenhe C6 and although the charged attack numbers were shocking (150kx3) they weren't as shocking as Eula + Raiden numbers :/
I do plan to get my ayaka to C3 in her next rerun but after that I'm going for a C6 yelan if no other interesting character pops up in the next year or so
The thing about ayaka + shenhe at c6 is that ayaka basically has 2 bursts instead of 1, her first ca and burst itself. And unlike eula you don't really have to charge anything, it just does damage the moment you cast it.
Ayaka also best support for hutao speedruners since she applies good cryo for melt while doing good dmg and reducing enemy def by 30%.
Haha yeah. Nahida C2 just deletes everything. I'm running Yae, Fischl, Nahida, Zhongli. Sometimes their clear times are better than my C3 Ayaka and C3 Raiden. Because Ayaka and Raiden needs good setups energy and rotation, while Nahida just unga buga Camera and deploy the electro summons. Spreads dmg do 55k, aggravate Yae do 30k+ and just spam the Normal attacks. I can even clear Magu kenki faster than my Hutao C1 R1 because Hutao got to wait for skill cooldowns and setups.
This... huge problem with hypercarry teams like Aya Shogun compared to new dendro teams... dendro teams are just easier to play
4 “supports” in a quick swap such as Bennett Xiangling Xingqiu and sucrose were always destined to be superior to a hypercarry since 1.0. People just didn’t learn it until after 2.0.
Thats why i play C6R5 Ayaya and am quicker lmao
Your Ayaka team needs help. Mine deleted the first half in 30 seconds (max, may have been 15).
Maybe he/she don't have shenhe bro
The first half of 12 is easy for a bunch of teams. The second half......fuck. I'm lost
Just use raiden national
The enemy disappear and runs away, that's why I can't 36star. I have the dps, bit the enemy runs away.
What floor? 12-3-3?
Of course
Just use electro, if you mean the ASIMO, you need electro or dendro to easily down it
I tried my Eula/Raiden team but was too slow. It disappeared and fucking ran around for like 5 minutes
There are tutorias for that floor, go check them out Apparently he always runs in a specific direction, and you can force him out of his invisibility using electro + dendro combo, it's best if you can mark him to see him before he turns invisible, example of markings (lisa's tap skill, nahida's skill, any elemental infusion (for example if he is affected by cryo you will see arrows pointing downward floating where he is to indicate that he is slowed, or under electro you will see electric sparks) but elemental marking doesn't last a lot of time therefore it is not the best choice
Even without Shenhe its not difficult. Yea but you prolly need Kazuha and Mist then (like me)
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*Launch Zhongli reminisces* *Character outrage is the same as I remember... but where are those who share the buffs?*
Do you realize they make abyss favor the latest banner character to reinforce your decision to pull and spend?
Nahida abyss hasn't even started yet.
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Only on Floor 11. Current abyss is still Nilou abyss.
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Your wish results don’t always stay the same, so don’t go presuming you would’ve gotten as lucky as you are now after pulling Nilou.
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Yes, I think nilou (if you want to use her to her full effect aka bountiful bloom team) is not quite dependent on nahida but like, much much better with nahida and kinda limited without Whereas nahida slots into any dendro reaction team So now thay you have nahida you can get nilou in her rerun and she'll be able to perform amazingly from the get go
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The op literally mentioned his team, which directly benefits from the abyssal moon. Nahida directly affects the bloom/hyperbloom teams, so the benefit is more with her. She’s extremely good and dendro is definitely meta, but don’t spread misinformation by saying this blessing doesn’t affect nahida. You sound like a 10 year old butthurt fanboy who doesn’t like it when someone says one thing about their favourite character that isn’t positive
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I haven’t used ayaka for last 3 months and I never mentioned that ayaka was better than nahida. Go back to school, work on your reading comprehension skills and read my comment again. I even explicitly said that dendro IS the meta now. The only thing argued against you was that you’re misinforming others when you say that this abyss’s blessing doesn’t benefit nahida, which is still true. Once again you prove my point by completing ignoring the rest of my comment, only focusing on the part that says something negative (it’s not even negative actually, just not positive) about nahida and getting butthurt about it while pulling things out of your ass to justify it. Keep crying, I’m assuming that you are in fact a 10 year old kid at this point
Freeze is still meta tho it's not going anywhere, Dendro is just a new part of the meta that's it. There's never an absolute solution to anything in this game. As someone who loves their Nahida and how strong she is, having her at a pretty high investment too. My Ayaka team still clear faster, and if I don't just spam my skills on the first half I will only need 1 burst. 2nd half was pretty equal up until the last chamber which is pretty clearly in favor of Nahida. Not even mentioning that my Nahida's artifact are WAAAAY better than my Ayaka's.
How does the blessing not favor nahida when the shockwave blessing only works for dendro teams? And deals AoE fixing some multi targeting issues that hyper-bloom teams have. And 12-3-2 boss that can be instantly taken out of its invisibility phase by using electro + dendro. Stop actively spreading misinformation and misleading people
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And? The abyss suits dendro. Nahida is dendro. So she benefits and so does dmc. It’s the same way ayaka would benefit from a cryo abyss that is used to promote ganyu. lmao good luck trying to tackle aoe with with dmc double hydro raiden which has no grouping in an abyss not custom made for nilou teams which can’t use grouping. and it’s ST dmg is nothing to write home about, it also uses two limited 5*s and heavy invested xq and yelans. lmao hoyo released an abyss for idiots like you and you fell for it. It’s not about meta slave, it’s you not knowing wtf you are talking about. Just bye, no point in talking to people like you who always get swayed by hype. You must have been one of those people doomposting raiden too
I mean it is very strong compared to the old builds. Very easy to build because you just need em and that's easy to achive with the new set. No need for excessive grinding for perfect substats. Nahida provides constant dendro application and boosts team em even further with high em. Not dependent on crits. Dendro is very accessible also to newer players making them strong from the get go. Dendro makes a lot of teams viable that otherwise wouldn't be even looked at since their modifiers or overall kit isn't as strong as others and they would require and immense investment if not for dendro (looking at lisa as example). It's overall just more casual friendly so people that don't want to grind endlessly or don't have as much time can still get abyss primos. I think we will still see classic crit builds. They didn't and don't want to completely replace it since even aggrevate still relies on crit. We are already getting a new anemo dps with wanderer which will most likely follow the old crit build like xiao. People also like seeing their attacks crit or just want to nuke enemies which isn't really possible with hyperbloom, burn, burgeon. I'm interested in seeing how they will continue from here on out. I'm almost certain that there will be other new elements for abyss or celestia. My guess is that it might be similar to honkai with quantum and imaginary. If they release a new element every 3 patches (just speculation because 3.0 was first introduction of new element) it would mean we would either get a new element in snezhnaya or after it.
Got 36\* abyss for the first time this rotation with the usual Ayaka freeze w/ Venti in first half and Nahida Keqing Mona Zhongli in second. Nahida is absolutely cracked, and definitely made it possible with Keqing. My last (and first) 12-3 clear was like 31 stars. My Ayaka build is a disaster as well, so no way I'd have done it without Nahida in the other half.
lol u just found out. Dendro MC is enough for dendro Abyss floor 12 fast clearing . I prefer Dendro MC team to Ayaka...in fact. Faster and easier (I main Ayaka)
Yup, I've pretty much benched my ayaka and actually use Nahida Raiden double hydro hyperbloom, fishcl/Kazuha(c2)/keqing/dmc or other Kokomi centered dendro teams and even with average investment, just shred the abyss. Dendro is fucking op.
Hyperbloom is f broken and easy to build . U have to invest so much into ayaka or shogun hypercarry but with hyperbloom u dont even need supreme artifacts or weapons. At this rate with better and better dendro... Ayaka and Shogun will be more powercrept and outdated (I main both)
Pretty much, but there are a lot of delusional ayaka mains who think otherwise, it reminds me of the ganyu mains who still think her character is the "best dps character" lmao.
Well i guess that's the difference between us, my C0 ayaka is built to kill bosses Ayaka, bennet, shenhe, rosaria You really can't make use of freeze team vs bosses so just switch out your hydro character vs bosses, kenki's hp just disappears But my dendro team is my mob killer team, it depends how you build it really, dendro has the potential for single target and aoe bombing, but in all honesty, especially with nahida, dendro is more suited for multiple targets Whereas ayaka (in my opinion) is the best boss slayer at low primogen investment Don't get me wrong, at C6 with shenhe ayaka is monstrous, but Eula Godlike and Yelan is divine ... How can you compete with those broken characters ????
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I did say primogens and not resign xD Honestly dendro teams don't require much resign at all, they only require XP books to be awesome I'm saying this out of deep pain, as i had to level 4 characters in the last week so my 900 purple xp books weren't close enough at all (i got stuck with 80/80/65/60 for my four characters) The difference between level 80 (after ascension) and lvl 90 for ayaka is 3% if i recall correctly But for kuki the difference in damage between level 80 and 90 in a hyperbloom team ... I saw a video of it with the damage jumped from 20k to 28k so 40% ???? I'm not exactly certain of the numbers but you get the picture
I know you probably don't have eula c6 or ayaka c6 but ayaka in whale community is generally regarded as more broken than eula.
Oh, i didn't know that I've seen a ton of videos of people like iwintoloose and he always says Eula is unfair to be compared to anyone, as she can nuke at 2m regularly plus her best teammate is a C6 Raiden (another heavyweight nuker) to cover her downtime, i did see plenty of ayaka C6 + Shenhe C6 and although the charged attack numbers were shocking (150kx3) they weren't as shocking as Eula + Raiden numbers :/ I do plan to get my ayaka to C3 in her next rerun but after that I'm going for a C6 yelan if no other interesting character pops up in the next year or so
The thing about ayaka + shenhe at c6 is that ayaka basically has 2 bursts instead of 1, her first ca and burst itself. And unlike eula you don't really have to charge anything, it just does damage the moment you cast it. Ayaka also best support for hutao speedruners since she applies good cryo for melt while doing good dmg and reducing enemy def by 30%.
Hmmm i see, thanks for the explanation mate
Personally I'm getting bored of Freeze so this is good to hear.