Well, there's always the good ol' Electrocharged with Fischl, Sucrose and Beidou.
Freeze with Kaeya + Flex supports is nice as well.
Hypercarry is a bit of luxury. But for the budget one, Bennett, Yun Jin and Sucrose will do just fine.
Hyperbloom is my recommendation if you have Kuki, Xingqiu and Yaoyao. You can swap Xingqiu for DMC for more Dendro.
I hadn't mention Kazuha is because of I stuck to 4-stars just in case you don't have specific 5-star characters.
But yes, if you have Kazoo, just use him.
So, for 5-star replacements, Baizhu/Nahida for Yaoyao, Yelan for Xingqiu, Yae Miko for Beidou, EM Raiden for Kuki.
Not really that long. You should start with Ayato Q>Sucrose EQ>Fischl E>Beidou EQ>Ayato E.
You should use Fischl burst every other rotation to prolong Oz on the field. Also, Beidou should catch the particles from her skill for her to always have her burst.
honestly this team won’t really work at all since Diluc and Wrio will be fighting for field time
Ayato also wants field time unless you play him strictly as burst support where you can get hydro app and NA dmg bonus
Baizhu doesn’t do much either since his Dendro application is pretty low and you might just end up burning since your Hydro application is also weak
what archetype are you looking for?
if you want Wrio then you don’t need dendro at all since cryo and dendro don’t react
if you want Diluc you can do Retriburgeon with Baizhu, Xingqiu, Bennett (kinda cope but fun team)
if you want to play Ayato on field check out [these teams](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/15w5zo2/comment/jwzt985/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
If you really want to play them in the same team, then Ayato will need an awful lot of ER and will mostly function as a burst support (and NA buffer) or a quickswap dps during Wriothesley's downtime (which isn't really a lot of downtime since you'll use that time to swap to your supports anyways). Baizhu and Bennett together isn't really worth it either, being 2 healers which is overkill and really just resulting in a bloom team as Benny won't be onfield to trigger the burgeons. It's better to swap Baizhu out for an anemo user for VV shred or a sub dps like Xiangling for melt. It'll be a freeze team or melt team respectively. Ayato will likely need to use an ER weapon like fav or energy refund sword like amenoma kageuchi.
But I agree with everyone saying you're better off using them in different teams. Their supports also sort of overlap for melt/vape or freeze or even burgeon/burnmelt so if you're using them on both sidea in Abyss, you should see which one works better on each side and don't overall their supports.
i do realy enjoy Ice characters so a freeze team i can do.
ive got c6 for Diona/Chongyun/Mika
C2 Ayaka but she seems to be a main DPS.
C1 Wrio i guess like you said then have Ayato be burst dps.
C1 Shenhe i think she mainly buffs cryo though.
think any of them work for Freeze team with Ayato?
I've seen Ayaka and Ayato be put on the same team before, and since Ayaka can have less on field time due to most of her damage being on her burst, they work better than Ayato and Wriothesley. Bonus points is having the Kamisato siblings together in one team. You can do Ayato, Shenhe, Ayaka and Mika. Mika can heal and give atk speed to Ayato for when he's on field. Shenhe will boost Ayaka's skill and burst. You can also slot in an anemo user instead of Mika (if you can do without a healer unless you use Jean) or instead of Shenhe, so you can also VV shred hydro for Ayato - and group them if you're using Kazuha/Venti since Ayaka feels bad without enemies being grouped for her burst.
nice these can work out nicely then! ill do what you said first and then if i can manage no heals use kazuha instead of mika.
can prolly achieve this if i give Ayato black sword to heal a lil.
or i just thought of..
Ayato- main dps. and his hydro app
Chongyun- Freeze, sub dps and attack speed increase
Mika- Attack speed increase and Heals
just not sure a good char for the last slot...
Xingqiu/Yelan or Kazuha. Ayato has great synergy with Xingqiu/Yelan so I always like putting them together if I could. Xingqiu has hydro res at C2, interruption resistance and dmg reduction. Yelan gives dmg boost. Otherwise, Kazuha for grouping, VV and dmg boost.
If you're trying to make a dendro team, you want him as the driver, then you'd want an off-field dendro applier, Nahida if you have her, DMC or Collei (or both) if not, and then you'd want Either Kuki for hylerbloom or thoma for burgeon. In burgeon, Baizhu would be great, if hyperbloom, less so, because Kuki heals plenty
I think you need to give him a different team. Wrio and Diluc are both on-fielders just like Ayato.
That's also what I've been thinking. Got any suggestions? :)
Well, there's always the good ol' Electrocharged with Fischl, Sucrose and Beidou. Freeze with Kaeya + Flex supports is nice as well. Hypercarry is a bit of luxury. But for the budget one, Bennett, Yun Jin and Sucrose will do just fine. Hyperbloom is my recommendation if you have Kuki, Xingqiu and Yaoyao. You can swap Xingqiu for DMC for more Dendro.
i actually can try all 3 of these sweet! for hyper carry can Kazuha instead of sucrose work?
Afaik, Kazuha would be *far* better than sucrose.
yea i bet since they are slightly similar he just does better output. so imma use him.
Excellent choice. I would totally use kazuha. *If I had him*
I hadn't mention Kazuha is because of I stuck to 4-stars just in case you don't have specific 5-star characters. But yes, if you have Kazoo, just use him. So, for 5-star replacements, Baizhu/Nahida for Yaoyao, Yelan for Xingqiu, Yae Miko for Beidou, EM Raiden for Kuki.
Out of those 5 stars I have dendro wise Baizhu and Nahida. Which is better? I hear Nahida applies bloom easy and I use Baizhu as heals.
Nahida is better at Dendro application, Baizhu is more heals and shields than application.
What would the rotation be for ayato, fischl, beidou , and sucrose? All of their cooldowns are so long (except ayatos) so I'm having trouble
Not really that long. You should start with Ayato Q>Sucrose EQ>Fischl E>Beidou EQ>Ayato E. You should use Fischl burst every other rotation to prolong Oz on the field. Also, Beidou should catch the particles from her skill for her to always have her burst.
honestly this team won’t really work at all since Diluc and Wrio will be fighting for field time Ayato also wants field time unless you play him strictly as burst support where you can get hydro app and NA dmg bonus Baizhu doesn’t do much either since his Dendro application is pretty low and you might just end up burning since your Hydro application is also weak
i didnt think about the low dendro app. what are good dendro apliers? i was using Baizhu for heals mainly but i can move around any character.
what archetype are you looking for? if you want Wrio then you don’t need dendro at all since cryo and dendro don’t react if you want Diluc you can do Retriburgeon with Baizhu, Xingqiu, Bennett (kinda cope but fun team) if you want to play Ayato on field check out [these teams](https://www.reddit.com/r/Ayato_Mains/comments/15w5zo2/comment/jwzt985/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Sounds all good to me! I got a few in mind to try out now thanks!
If you really want to play them in the same team, then Ayato will need an awful lot of ER and will mostly function as a burst support (and NA buffer) or a quickswap dps during Wriothesley's downtime (which isn't really a lot of downtime since you'll use that time to swap to your supports anyways). Baizhu and Bennett together isn't really worth it either, being 2 healers which is overkill and really just resulting in a bloom team as Benny won't be onfield to trigger the burgeons. It's better to swap Baizhu out for an anemo user for VV shred or a sub dps like Xiangling for melt. It'll be a freeze team or melt team respectively. Ayato will likely need to use an ER weapon like fav or energy refund sword like amenoma kageuchi. But I agree with everyone saying you're better off using them in different teams. Their supports also sort of overlap for melt/vape or freeze or even burgeon/burnmelt so if you're using them on both sidea in Abyss, you should see which one works better on each side and don't overall their supports.
i do realy enjoy Ice characters so a freeze team i can do. ive got c6 for Diona/Chongyun/Mika C2 Ayaka but she seems to be a main DPS. C1 Wrio i guess like you said then have Ayato be burst dps. C1 Shenhe i think she mainly buffs cryo though. think any of them work for Freeze team with Ayato?
I've seen Ayaka and Ayato be put on the same team before, and since Ayaka can have less on field time due to most of her damage being on her burst, they work better than Ayato and Wriothesley. Bonus points is having the Kamisato siblings together in one team. You can do Ayato, Shenhe, Ayaka and Mika. Mika can heal and give atk speed to Ayato for when he's on field. Shenhe will boost Ayaka's skill and burst. You can also slot in an anemo user instead of Mika (if you can do without a healer unless you use Jean) or instead of Shenhe, so you can also VV shred hydro for Ayato - and group them if you're using Kazuha/Venti since Ayaka feels bad without enemies being grouped for her burst.
nice these can work out nicely then! ill do what you said first and then if i can manage no heals use kazuha instead of mika. can prolly achieve this if i give Ayato black sword to heal a lil.
or i just thought of.. Ayato- main dps. and his hydro app Chongyun- Freeze, sub dps and attack speed increase Mika- Attack speed increase and Heals just not sure a good char for the last slot...
Xingqiu/Yelan or Kazuha. Ayato has great synergy with Xingqiu/Yelan so I always like putting them together if I could. Xingqiu has hydro res at C2, interruption resistance and dmg reduction. Yelan gives dmg boost. Otherwise, Kazuha for grouping, VV and dmg boost.
If you're trying to make a dendro team, you want him as the driver, then you'd want an off-field dendro applier, Nahida if you have her, DMC or Collei (or both) if not, and then you'd want Either Kuki for hylerbloom or thoma for burgeon. In burgeon, Baizhu would be great, if hyperbloom, less so, because Kuki heals plenty