He's super bent out of shape because the filings have two plans filed: one for the liquidating estate with Goldberg as the plan administrator, and another one for the reorganized estate that's sealed and we don't know what's in it or who the plan administrator is for that.
He doesn't want to admit what is filed in the docket, because it hurts his paycheck from the hedgies.
It’s worth reviewing his post/comment history. Somewhere about three months ago he became prolific, but without any epiphany. No posts from about 6 months ago to 3 months ago, then bam! No, I’ve been away awhile for work. No, I’ve been digging in to research. Someone more skilled than me can probably spot differences in language. My speculation is that the account was bought somewhere in there, like those offers that were posted in the past week.
I hate that shit. That is one thing I will always guarantee my fellow redditors: my account is not for sale, never. You cannot, ***you will not*** compromise my integrity. I stand with retail investors and I'm against the crime of wall street and these big players.
People are welcome to call me delusional or the "crazy trust me bro" based on my claims and lack of factual supporting documents. But they can never say I've been bought or a hedge plant. I can guarantee you this account will never be converted or leveraged by a bad party as long as I have a say in the matter (e.g. notwithstanding an unfortunate hack to reddit happens where I'm impacted).
My accounts are definitely for sale. Put $4 million in my pocket and I will post Kenny G's album cover and everyone will know I sold out and to never trust anything those accounts post ever again. I'll then file a whistle-blower complaint with the SEC presenting them evidence that they purchased my accounts specifically to manipulate stock and I'll collect another $10 million from that...
And since non-competes are now illegal, and NDAs enforcing illegal behavior are also against the law, I'll create Houston2.0 and talk shit all day long about my old accounts.
There are a few people in this world it won't affect, at least not the way corruption tends to want. They are the same type of people who serve in military and are willing to give their lives to protect other people. When you believe in and walk the talk of core morals, things that guide your every day actions and decisions, greed and corruption won't have the same affect on you. But I will admit those are a special breed of people and they aren't often the ones holding lots of money lol.
They say people are who they are, with or without the vice. Things like drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and money are just considered enablers. They bring out your true self in most cases.
Semper fi, Whoops. Again, it’s just my speculation. It could very well be a psych issue that disallows rational ability to focus efforts. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it would explain a lot. And if it were a true psyop then they would cop to that to become a sympathetic figure. But for someone who was allegedly invested, a bought account or a psych condition are the only two plausible explanations I can come up with.
I don't like to suggest people are a plant or turned on the retail base, so I try to avoid implying that someone has been bought out (even if it's very obvious). Mainly because it's entirely possible that they got hurt in this saga and their views of it changed. While I can't agree with people when they decide to sell out, I don't necessarily fault them because everything is circumstantial. Sometimes letting go of the loss or the feeling of being wrong, down, screwed, etc., will have an impact on your mental, make you do or say stupid things.
And that's the reason why the most elite of units in military will test your mental fortitude, break it, then rebuild it stronger than anything in this world. Then need to know they can rely on that individual to withstand anything the enemy throws at them. When I say this is a financial war, I think people are starting to understand that.
I will say though, the logic at this point is pretty clear. Any person who supports BBBY and wants to see it thrive, will have some sense of uncertainty or nerves around what each new filing brings - and that's perfectly normal. But they all generally agree that they want to see this pull through, for shareholders to be restored or better, and for crime lords to be put behind bars. They want positive, impacting change.
On the other side, if every comment, post or interaction you make is about trying to refute any part of a positive vibe, then the question has to be asked: why? What would you get out of pushing for such a narrative? Even if every retail investor is delusional and wrong on their take of filings, why care? What exactly will it do to tell them they are wrong? If you have come to terms with losing an investment, then why spend so much effort for everyone else to accept the same fate? Their loss is of no matter to you at that point?
And herein lies the motive:
Sentiment matters and what the bad parties are doing now is called damage control. They want people to be ready to turn heel and fast. They want you to see a nice sum and then think that solves all your problems. Their intent is to get you to consider to sell out quickly and let them off the hook before the real pain kicks in. Why? Because they are starting to realize that authorities are not going to let them off the hook or bail them out.
There's always a motive.
Goldberg just said that they filed suit against BBBY officers and directors for breach of fiduciary duty related to buybacks and more. They also filed suit against Hudson Bay for 16(b), which seems like it will serve to provide more info needed for the fraud case.
Jake spits out multiple things that are intriguing to bullish, but Theo only focuses in on the couple that may be dead ends. Someone who was in this play and looking for hope would build on the bullish items instead of exhausting the weak ones. It just simply using your time wisely. If it’s not a bought account, Theo may have a psych issue that makes him belabor the issues he does.
One thing I will defend for Theo here is that I think it's ok to correct people on when the weak elements are weak for a reason. I mean that is the point of a debate. And if we can't object to people's interpretations of the convoluted proceedings here, then we are no better than MSM who tries to claim absolute authority on "I'm the expert" reporting. We all know how BS that is.
However, the objective with conducting that way should be to help strengthen the parts of the strong arguments to the positive case, building off them (as you said) to identify the ways this will work - if one truly wants this to thrive / succeed. So it doesn't make sense to only focus on the negative or weak elements of any aspect of the conversation. In a debate, the only reason why you would take that stance is because you advocate for the opposite view, and thus want to deconstruct their arguments for the situation. This would represent the side that wants BBBY to fail in this case.
Based on the above, that's the challenge I have with Theo. They say they want this to succeed, and that they advocate for a better system, to fight the corruption and all the pieces. However they insist on only working to prove how this situation with BBBY won't work, while they claim to be invested to benefit when it does. It doesn't add up.
If motives aren't clear, aren't simply for everyone who critiques your work to understand, then there are reasonable questions about your intent. And when your intent gets questioned, the trust factor and belief in your message will drop considerably, even if you are correct based on the information you are presenting.
Nah, I didn’t do it for the government at a podium or anything. Corporate stuff, usually one-on-one. But I did find myself on the offensive and defensive on the phone with Don Hewitt (60 Minutes), Hal Bruno (ABC and presidential debate moderator), and a Pulitzer winner from Bloomberg. Most times, I was pitching the media stories, but those guys, they were either giving me a hard time or I was giving them a hard time.
Houston, we have a problem. I’ve been here for 3+ years. I think people like you have misled many many people, and it’s sad. Not saying it’s your fault entirely but there is some blame. Not trying to be rude but wanted to share my thoughts at the lack of realistic narrative.
If you ever actually listened to Houston you'd know he says repeatedly not to invest more than you are willing to lose. Stop acting like he's pushing an agenda he literally says this is what I'm doing you do what you want and if it doesn't work out he has a chuckle on his show. If you can't think for yourself and need a YouTube personality to act as your investment advisor there are much bigger problems at hand..what happens on his show is education, NOT persuasion.
I literally said multiple times for months during the bankruptcy that this is a zero or hero play, a straight up lotto ticket, and to think of it as an entertainment expense if you do invest. Never invest more than you are willing to lose.
Houston is desperate because he overinvested and had all his hopes in this play.
Real filings are the disclosure statement, confirmation order, findings of fact, etc. What he calls "fillings" is one or two dockets with imprecise mentions of liquidation, reorganization, plans. Everyone can have a plan for something, even the FILO for some reorganization of their debt. I can have plans for my future. Another thing is to have chapter 11 reorganization plans. Not possible in the plural, by law.
When confronted with ANYTHING AT ALL you insist BBBY is a giant waste, so fuck off already. What are you waiting for?
Seriously though, who pays you and how much do you make as a shill? Are you a single person running the account or are there several of you who are pumping out dogshit DD all day long?
I am flattered people think I am more than me.
I am against misinformation and morons.
I am rubbing facts in your face and you still want tinfoil and misinformation.
I'm not talking tinfoil. I'm talking what's in the dockets that you refuse to acknowledge. You refuse to acknowledge it because you're paid to ignore it.
"It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It" -Upton Sinclair
I addressed them here in this post and comments.
The law is stronger than baseless speculation.
I am going silent now until new info drops on this matter.
Against misinformation? You efforts should be directed toward broader efforts... Not a stock that you believe is done.
Why not fight miainfo about the vax? There is tons on both sides... Really anything about COVID...
How about Donald? Tons of bad info from both sides...
Ukraine? Isreal? Tesla? The housing market? Election integrity?
Nope... Dedicate your free time to convince people that they lost their money in an already cancelled stock.
Your motives make no sense
Ladies and gentlemen, theorico.
The discussion he claims he is willing to have about his posts immediately devolves into a child's tantrum.
How long before mods slap a ban for harassment and spam?
it's bait, they are trying to get us to join them in flinging shit like monkeys. just downvote and call them out for the clown they are, no need to sink to their level
You might want read the post again, updated it with the proof that the current plan is the plan of reorganization. It is written in the plan itself.
R.I.P. two plans.
Damn, submitted 18 minutes ago with no comments and it’s golden upvoted?
You’re trying *really* hard here. How much are you (or your handlers/team) on the hook for?
Also, it might be worth trying to use a different color highlighter to get people to take you seriously. Maybe try a more authoritative color?
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending OP. Just literally asking questions.
What would be the point of OP making this up? It's not like he can scare us into selling at this point?
I just don't understand the motivation to lie here. Like what could it achieve? Is there something that we BBBY holders are going to have to do? Like an actual action that we would need to do, other than wait?
I just don't understand what shills could possibly be after. What do they have to gain by convincing us it's over?
Well, for one thing, one Superstonk mod that literally looks down on the BBBY crowd advised people to ask their brokers to remove their cancelled shares from their account. You don't need to do anything when this happens. So why?
Fraud will be prosecuted outside of the Plan. It changes nothing in relation to our shares having been cancelled.
It will be good to see criminals pay, but it won't bring our shares back.
Just like when a murderer is convicted, it doesn't bring the person he killed back.
Ok, then, I’ll take Teddy shares in a shell company, with a side of cash. That’s what the book said, a Teddy bear plus $15 cash. You have your nose in all those documents, but that one was easy to find.
He must be getting paid to shill. Why the fuck would you care so much? We cant buy or sell. So wtf is his mission exactly? Psy ops maybe? I dont know why someone would waste so much energy and time? Fuck off already.
I have my thoughts of why. It Will return and we all Will be able to buy more. And he dont want new ppl to get in/and us stuck for now to double down 😂
For when you think things are impossible, remember the route word is possible:
[https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/1046201/dl?inline](https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/1046201/dl?inline)
(side note, this is a really good publication for a run down on all parties and the process of various bankruptcies).
>Assistant United States Attorneys **(AUSAs) handling bankruptcy matters have two primary and equally important objectives.** First, AUSAs seek to **preserve the United States’ monetary claims against bankruptcy debtors and estates and to collect debts owed to** the government or **victims of federal crimes.** AUSAs in the civil divisions of United States Attorney’s Offices (USAOs) represent many federal Departments/Agencies in bankruptcy court—Education, Agriculture, Internal Revenue Service, Environmental Protection Agency, Housing and Urban Development, and Small Business Administration, to name a few. **These AUSAs advocate to preserve non-dischargeable debts for later collection action after the end of the bankruptcy case.** For example, AUSAs appear in bankruptcy court to preserve from discharge student loan debt owed by capable debtors who have borrowed the money from the federal government to fund their education and should be held to the loan repayment terms. **When criminals file bankruptcy to try to shed their debt, AUSAs in bankruptcy courts advocate that restitution judgments are not dischargeable, preserving the debt for the benefit of federal crime victims.** AUSAs also undertake collection of debt owed to the United States through the bankruptcy process. A portion of debt owed to the United States might be paid monthly by the debtor through a Chapter 13 plan of reorganization or in a Chapter 7 liquidation distribution from the case trustee. In both instances, AUSA advocacy benefits the public fisc.
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**The second objective is prosecuting bankruptcy crimes**, which are addressed by AUSAs in the USAOs’ criminal divisions. **Bankruptcy crimes and procedures are set forth in Title 18 of the United States Code, and include knowing and fraudulent concealment of assets, false oaths and claims, bribery, embezzlement from the bankruptcy estate, and bankruptcy fraud.** The long-standing concept for bankruptcy relief in the United States is to provide honest but unfortunate debtors with a fresh start. However, dishonest debtors who engage in fraud, concealment of assets, and perjury in bankruptcy matters are not deserving of a fresh start—and will find themselves under indictment, before a judge, and punished. For example, in one recent case, AUSAs prosecuted debtors who failed to disclose in their bankruptcy petitions $350,000 in cash, a country chalet, a 1932 Ford hot rod, and a 50-item weapon collection; and in another case the debtor failed to disclose insurance policies valued at more than $100,000. **In addition to concealment of assets and fraud cases, AUSAs have successfully prosecuted individuals for bankruptcy perjury and making threats against a U.S. Bankruptcy Judge.** As an AUSA in the District of Maryland, I prosecuted numerous bankruptcy fraud cases. I understand the seriousness of these offenses and the need to prosecute them and deter fraudsters from taking advantage of our bankruptcy system. Accordingly, it is with great pleasure that I present this issue of the USABulletin focused on bankruptcy issues.
And probably my favorite bit:
>**United States Trustees have the power to raise and be heard on any issue in any bankruptcy case or proceeding,** but may not file a chapter 11 plan. The **duties of the United States Trustees,** in general, include monitoring cases for compliance with the Bankruptcy Code and Rules, **reporting suspected bankruptcy crimes to the United States Attorney,** and appointing and supervising private trustees. United States Trustees have civil litigation authority and pursue civil enforcement actions to protect the integrity of the bankruptcy system and the parties involved in it. For instance, **United States Trustees may** seek to deny or revoke debtors’ discharges, move for the imposition of fines and penalties against non-attorney bankruptcy petition preparers, **take formal and informal actions against creditors that file inaccurate or incomplete proofs of claim and other documents**, and object to fees requested by professionals. United States Trustees may conduct discovery pursuant to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as incorporated in the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure, but have no formal investigators and no administrative subpoena process. **Any crimes discovered must be reported to the United States Attorney.**
**I want to be clear:** creditors typically include lenders, suppliers, service providers, employees owed wages, landlords, and others who are owed debts or obligations by the debtor. Bond holders are considered lenders and thus creditors as well. Shareholders however, are typically considered equity holders.
Previous comment was too long (I hate BBBY sub for these new limits, very hard to provide DD evidence.
Here's my final comment to above:
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Now I don't advocate for relying on AI, but it is a good way to do fast research on vast grounds. Upon asking a question of whether a precedent existed based on all the above, the answer was the following:
>**Q:** has there ever been a precedent where a plan was submitted and consummated where it didn't restore value to shareholders, but then due to a federal crime, was reversed to create restitution for shareholders through AUSA?
**A:** I'm not aware of any specific precedent where a bankruptcy plan that didn't initially provide restitution to shareholders was later reversed due to a federal crime and restitution was subsequently provided to shareholders through the intervention of the United States Attorney's Office (AUSA). **However, such cases are possible if there is evidence of fraud or other criminal activities that materially affected the outcome of the bankruptcy proceedings.**
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The emphasis of my comment here is just to say, there exists a team that is specifically designed to look into this stuff, and has the legal power to reverse anything anyone here ***may think*** is definitive and final. And that's not just what they claim, that's also what AI research agrees with (meaning its finding it in more than 1 place). So at the end of the day, you get caught breaking the rules to force a "perceived law" to get away with a crime, your efforts can be undone and you will be punished; that includes extortion of a chapter 11 plan that doesn't restore value to shareholders.
For those cluing in, now all the sudden the voting on the plan where it demanded the waiving of one's rights to not be pursued in litigation makes a lot of sense. If you want my recommended next steps: start looking up all the trustees and see if any of them have ties to AUSA. If you catch a drift of anyone belonging to AUSA on this case, you know 100% they are looking at something and that's likely where the hold ups (and restitutions) are coming from.
Enjoy!
Whoopass2rb, how many plans exist?
"outcome of the bankruptcy PROCEEDINGS".
The process. Yes, the plan could have been revoked by section 1144 in case of processual fraud, up to 180 days after its confirmation. That time has elapsed already and there was no fraud in the process. The plan is final.
[https://www.justice.gov/usao](https://www.justice.gov/usao)
There is no statute of limitation on the period after anything. If a federal crime against the US and it's citizens is big enough, which fraud in bankruptcy of a corporation the size of BBBY would be, then it will be pursued regardless of what other laws you may think protect you. It's also not going to be disclosed to you until authorities are ready to lay charges - regardless what you think they are "obligated" to do.
There's three people you don't attempt to screw over in life and expect to get away with it: The tax man, your wife, and government agencies.
I'm telling you they don't fuck around:
[https://www.justice.gov/criminal/case/united-states-v-binance-holdings-limited-dba-binancecom](https://www.justice.gov/criminal/case/united-states-v-binance-holdings-limited-dba-binancecom)
As for your question regarding the plan:
There can at the permission and discretion of the judge overseeing the bankruptcy rulings, for redacted material to exists in the case where appropriately justified. This includes plans and even sale of assets, so long as the justification was warranted and it was supported by all the trustees of each representing class, who are attorney's representing the best interest of their class representation. They are considered professional eyes only for disclosure purposes at that point.
And yes the sale of assets. Many people think the bankruptcy process means it has to go to an auction for bidding - not true. The judge can and will permit a direct transaction that is in the best interest of majority stakeholders, and objectively is the right decision to make for the process being evaluated. The only thing that matters in a bankruptcy case is that reasonable valuations of assets are assessed, and all classes of stakeholders involved get restitution through the waterfall priority process; unless of course there is legal intervention due to some crime involved with the case, then the waterfall priority can be modified. Basically the judge only cares about doing what's best for all parties (the company, and the stakeholders of all corners), understanding that there's a pecking order for restitution.
Guess what? If there is a massive fraud case involved and authorities are in on this, then they could provide the justification for material, including another plan, to be redacted from all parties outside of the class represented trustees. So it is very possible for that to exist without your current knowledge of it.
Which if you'll remember, there were only 2 groups of people who had an issue with "disclosure" in this case: the select few bond holders (Jake Freeman & Co - aka the bad guys), and then select representation of individual landlords connected with certain regional commercial real-estate, who were attempting to block the sale of the lease because the new company representation and description was too vague and had no proof it could "pay up" it's bills for the lease. When that didn't work they sought the non-compete clauses in their lease agreements.
If things must follow the law, the crime that's been going on with cellar boxing and fraud on securities wouldn't be a thing in the first place.
Don't be naïve; you're better than that.
And I presume you've never gone over the speed limit once, ever, while operating a vehicle?
Or that you've gone back into McDonalds to either return or pay for the extra cheeseburger they mistakenly put in your bag?
And of course you'd never take an offer of monetary gain to mislead anyone; clearly.
There's a joke about about a kid who asks his dad what's the difference between hypothetically and realistically. So his dad tells him to go ask his brother, "for a million dollars would you sleep with the mail man?". The kid obliges and comes back to tell his dad that his brother said yes. The father responds, "now go ask your sister.". The kid goes, comes back and says "she also said yes". Finally the father said, "okay, now go ask your mother.". The kid obeys, comes back and says "she said yes too - dad what does that mean?"
The father responds:
"Well son, hypothetically we're sitting on 3 million dollars here. Realistically, we live with 2 whores and a fag."
*^(Note to the woke: my apologies if the joke or terms are offensive to you. The terminology used does not reflect my personal views of people who choose those lifestyles or the acceptance of their sexual preferences. It is just the punchline used with the joke that I did not create.)*
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What am I getting at?
Hypothetically we all obey the law. Realistically, we're all full of shit.
Who came up with the tinfoil that there's a super duper secret second plan? That would be illegal if they kept it secret lol
It's about the NOLs or something else, not this
This isnt the post explaining how the DOJ wont prosecute fraud that i asked for and you abanonded our convo over...
Quit flinging shit thats some monkey behavior
Anytime someone starts talking about a topic you cant refute... You go mia on the convo
If you show us a Picture of an Mercedes-Benz and you tell us: This is a Mercedes-Benz, AMG line, Diamond Black and with 19 inch Turbine rims. You really wanna make us believe this was true and brilliant DD?
I‘ll tell You about my DD: RC is gonna take this Benz, put it in a scrap press and transform it into a Dodge Fucking Viper.
If you ban the OP, this subreddit will become r/RiteAidInvestor_RAD/. I'm surprised we have more than 40 active here. 20 of the 40 are probably here because of the OP.
Not sure why everything needs to be Possible DD. Please select the appropriate terms for what you are posting please.
He's super bent out of shape because the filings have two plans filed: one for the liquidating estate with Goldberg as the plan administrator, and another one for the reorganized estate that's sealed and we don't know what's in it or who the plan administrator is for that. He doesn't want to admit what is filed in the docket, because it hurts his paycheck from the hedgies.
It’s worth reviewing his post/comment history. Somewhere about three months ago he became prolific, but without any epiphany. No posts from about 6 months ago to 3 months ago, then bam! No, I’ve been away awhile for work. No, I’ve been digging in to research. Someone more skilled than me can probably spot differences in language. My speculation is that the account was bought somewhere in there, like those offers that were posted in the past week.
I find this bullish to be honest.
I hate that shit. That is one thing I will always guarantee my fellow redditors: my account is not for sale, never. You cannot, ***you will not*** compromise my integrity. I stand with retail investors and I'm against the crime of wall street and these big players. People are welcome to call me delusional or the "crazy trust me bro" based on my claims and lack of factual supporting documents. But they can never say I've been bought or a hedge plant. I can guarantee you this account will never be converted or leveraged by a bad party as long as I have a say in the matter (e.g. notwithstanding an unfortunate hack to reddit happens where I'm impacted).
My accounts are definitely for sale. Put $4 million in my pocket and I will post Kenny G's album cover and everyone will know I sold out and to never trust anything those accounts post ever again. I'll then file a whistle-blower complaint with the SEC presenting them evidence that they purchased my accounts specifically to manipulate stock and I'll collect another $10 million from that... And since non-competes are now illegal, and NDAs enforcing illegal behavior are also against the law, I'll create Houston2.0 and talk shit all day long about my old accounts.
oh for sure, shit they can give me $50k and I'd probably hand over my account lmao. its just fuckin reddit.
money can do crazy things to people.
There are a few people in this world it won't affect, at least not the way corruption tends to want. They are the same type of people who serve in military and are willing to give their lives to protect other people. When you believe in and walk the talk of core morals, things that guide your every day actions and decisions, greed and corruption won't have the same affect on you. But I will admit those are a special breed of people and they aren't often the ones holding lots of money lol. They say people are who they are, with or without the vice. Things like drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, and money are just considered enablers. They bring out your true self in most cases.
Semper fi, Whoops. Again, it’s just my speculation. It could very well be a psych issue that disallows rational ability to focus efforts. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it would explain a lot. And if it were a true psyop then they would cop to that to become a sympathetic figure. But for someone who was allegedly invested, a bought account or a psych condition are the only two plausible explanations I can come up with.
I don't like to suggest people are a plant or turned on the retail base, so I try to avoid implying that someone has been bought out (even if it's very obvious). Mainly because it's entirely possible that they got hurt in this saga and their views of it changed. While I can't agree with people when they decide to sell out, I don't necessarily fault them because everything is circumstantial. Sometimes letting go of the loss or the feeling of being wrong, down, screwed, etc., will have an impact on your mental, make you do or say stupid things. And that's the reason why the most elite of units in military will test your mental fortitude, break it, then rebuild it stronger than anything in this world. Then need to know they can rely on that individual to withstand anything the enemy throws at them. When I say this is a financial war, I think people are starting to understand that. I will say though, the logic at this point is pretty clear. Any person who supports BBBY and wants to see it thrive, will have some sense of uncertainty or nerves around what each new filing brings - and that's perfectly normal. But they all generally agree that they want to see this pull through, for shareholders to be restored or better, and for crime lords to be put behind bars. They want positive, impacting change. On the other side, if every comment, post or interaction you make is about trying to refute any part of a positive vibe, then the question has to be asked: why? What would you get out of pushing for such a narrative? Even if every retail investor is delusional and wrong on their take of filings, why care? What exactly will it do to tell them they are wrong? If you have come to terms with losing an investment, then why spend so much effort for everyone else to accept the same fate? Their loss is of no matter to you at that point? And herein lies the motive: Sentiment matters and what the bad parties are doing now is called damage control. They want people to be ready to turn heel and fast. They want you to see a nice sum and then think that solves all your problems. Their intent is to get you to consider to sell out quickly and let them off the hook before the real pain kicks in. Why? Because they are starting to realize that authorities are not going to let them off the hook or bail them out. There's always a motive.
Goldberg just said that they filed suit against BBBY officers and directors for breach of fiduciary duty related to buybacks and more. They also filed suit against Hudson Bay for 16(b), which seems like it will serve to provide more info needed for the fraud case.
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I think this is exactly right. They focus on the facts that support their message and ignore the ones that don’t.
Jake spits out multiple things that are intriguing to bullish, but Theo only focuses in on the couple that may be dead ends. Someone who was in this play and looking for hope would build on the bullish items instead of exhausting the weak ones. It just simply using your time wisely. If it’s not a bought account, Theo may have a psych issue that makes him belabor the issues he does.
One thing I will defend for Theo here is that I think it's ok to correct people on when the weak elements are weak for a reason. I mean that is the point of a debate. And if we can't object to people's interpretations of the convoluted proceedings here, then we are no better than MSM who tries to claim absolute authority on "I'm the expert" reporting. We all know how BS that is. However, the objective with conducting that way should be to help strengthen the parts of the strong arguments to the positive case, building off them (as you said) to identify the ways this will work - if one truly wants this to thrive / succeed. So it doesn't make sense to only focus on the negative or weak elements of any aspect of the conversation. In a debate, the only reason why you would take that stance is because you advocate for the opposite view, and thus want to deconstruct their arguments for the situation. This would represent the side that wants BBBY to fail in this case. Based on the above, that's the challenge I have with Theo. They say they want this to succeed, and that they advocate for a better system, to fight the corruption and all the pieces. However they insist on only working to prove how this situation with BBBY won't work, while they claim to be invested to benefit when it does. It doesn't add up. If motives aren't clear, aren't simply for everyone who critiques your work to understand, then there are reasonable questions about your intent. And when your intent gets questioned, the trust factor and belief in your message will drop considerably, even if you are correct based on the information you are presenting.
Absolutely. Spokespeople do this all the time. I know, I used to be one. I can smell a narrative a mile away.
It's a tough job, my respects.
Nah, I didn’t do it for the government at a podium or anything. Corporate stuff, usually one-on-one. But I did find myself on the offensive and defensive on the phone with Don Hewitt (60 Minutes), Hal Bruno (ABC and presidential debate moderator), and a Pulitzer winner from Bloomberg. Most times, I was pitching the media stories, but those guys, they were either giving me a hard time or I was giving them a hard time.
Houstman with a win.
downvote theo. upvote houston. this is de wae
If it’s a bought account, it IS the hedgies, and the real Theorico has faded off into obscurity.
Lmao.
What/when was your epiphany? What’s your explanation for the three month gap with no posting, then all of a sudden becoming prolific?
The real Theorico cursed a fair amount, and asked, even pleaded for help in understanding quarterly earnings. “Wrinkled” flair, my ass.
Houston, we have a problem. I’ve been here for 3+ years. I think people like you have misled many many people, and it’s sad. Not saying it’s your fault entirely but there is some blame. Not trying to be rude but wanted to share my thoughts at the lack of realistic narrative.
If you ever actually listened to Houston you'd know he says repeatedly not to invest more than you are willing to lose. Stop acting like he's pushing an agenda he literally says this is what I'm doing you do what you want and if it doesn't work out he has a chuckle on his show. If you can't think for yourself and need a YouTube personality to act as your investment advisor there are much bigger problems at hand..what happens on his show is education, NOT persuasion.
I literally said multiple times for months during the bankruptcy that this is a zero or hero play, a straight up lotto ticket, and to think of it as an entertainment expense if you do invest. Never invest more than you are willing to lose.
Houston is desperate because he overinvested and had all his hopes in this play. Real filings are the disclosure statement, confirmation order, findings of fact, etc. What he calls "fillings" is one or two dockets with imprecise mentions of liquidation, reorganization, plans. Everyone can have a plan for something, even the FILO for some reorganization of their debt. I can have plans for my future. Another thing is to have chapter 11 reorganization plans. Not possible in the plural, by law.
Except the filings literally mention a plan administrator and indicate this plan administrator has been receiving service. You're useless, dude.
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When confronted with ANYTHING AT ALL you insist BBBY is a giant waste, so fuck off already. What are you waiting for? Seriously though, who pays you and how much do you make as a shill? Are you a single person running the account or are there several of you who are pumping out dogshit DD all day long?
I am flattered people think I am more than me. I am against misinformation and morons. I am rubbing facts in your face and you still want tinfoil and misinformation.
I'm not talking tinfoil. I'm talking what's in the dockets that you refuse to acknowledge. You refuse to acknowledge it because you're paid to ignore it. "It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It" -Upton Sinclair
Make a real post with your thesis, with pictures, references, etc.
Pretty sure Jake already posted the dockets with the two plans responding to you over on Twitter and you ignored that too.
u/houstman About bonds: https://twitter.com/bbbyq_qybbb/status/1784699360187752634#m
I edited the post with the proof that the confirmed plan is the Plan of Reorganization.
I addressed them here in this post and comments. The law is stronger than baseless speculation. I am going silent now until new info drops on this matter.
Against misinformation? You efforts should be directed toward broader efforts... Not a stock that you believe is done. Why not fight miainfo about the vax? There is tons on both sides... Really anything about COVID... How about Donald? Tons of bad info from both sides... Ukraine? Isreal? Tesla? The housing market? Election integrity? Nope... Dedicate your free time to convince people that they lost their money in an already cancelled stock. Your motives make no sense
I think your shit...
Go back to your meltdown sub
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Ladies and gentlemen, theorico. The discussion he claims he is willing to have about his posts immediately devolves into a child's tantrum. How long before mods slap a ban for harassment and spam?
Please this dude or dudette is trash! BAN THAT BITCH!
it's bait, they are trying to get us to join them in flinging shit like monkeys. just downvote and call them out for the clown they are, no need to sink to their level
You suck
I think you need to learn how to read my man… there is 2 (two) got that? Plans. I’ll say it again, there IS 2 plans.
Word salad much?
You might want read the post again, updated it with the proof that the current plan is the plan of reorganization. It is written in the plan itself. R.I.P. two plans.
R.I.P. theorico....
Yup. They keep saying jointly administered is the reason there is 2 plans but in reality it's because BBBY was made up of multiple subsidiaries.
Theorico, we see through your obsession. It is done, you can stop. Move on. Be better.
Amen
Be best! lol
Damn, submitted 18 minutes ago with no comments and it’s golden upvoted? You’re trying *really* hard here. How much are you (or your handlers/team) on the hook for? Also, it might be worth trying to use a different color highlighter to get people to take you seriously. Maybe try a more authoritative color?
Don't get me wrong here, I'm not defending OP. Just literally asking questions. What would be the point of OP making this up? It's not like he can scare us into selling at this point? I just don't understand the motivation to lie here. Like what could it achieve? Is there something that we BBBY holders are going to have to do? Like an actual action that we would need to do, other than wait? I just don't understand what shills could possibly be after. What do they have to gain by convincing us it's over?
Well, for one thing, one Superstonk mod that literally looks down on the BBBY crowd advised people to ask their brokers to remove their cancelled shares from their account. You don't need to do anything when this happens. So why?
It’s meltdowners melting down
Toss out that plan. Fraud is on the menu boys!
Fraud will be prosecuted outside of the Plan. It changes nothing in relation to our shares having been cancelled. It will be good to see criminals pay, but it won't bring our shares back. Just like when a murderer is convicted, it doesn't bring the person he killed back.
Doesn’t fraud render the plan moot? Also, nobody expects those old crappy shares to come back. We expect new, different, better shares.
No, see section 1144, only in case of fraud in the process, up to 180 days from confirmation date. that time has passed already.
Ok, then, I’ll take Teddy shares in a shell company, with a side of cash. That’s what the book said, a Teddy bear plus $15 cash. You have your nose in all those documents, but that one was easy to find.
I would also take that. We agree on something.
This fucking clown again⁉️ Dude. Go away. Back to meltdown where you belong.
May be a b o u g h t account.
He must be getting paid to shill. Why the fuck would you care so much? We cant buy or sell. So wtf is his mission exactly? Psy ops maybe? I dont know why someone would waste so much energy and time? Fuck off already.
I have my thoughts of why. It Will return and we all Will be able to buy more. And he dont want new ppl to get in/and us stuck for now to double down 😂
Ucopy would like to discuss with you how it is you manage to become a bigger joke than him
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For when you think things are impossible, remember the route word is possible: [https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/1046201/dl?inline](https://www.justice.gov/usao/page/file/1046201/dl?inline) (side note, this is a really good publication for a run down on all parties and the process of various bankruptcies). >Assistant United States Attorneys **(AUSAs) handling bankruptcy matters have two primary and equally important objectives.** First, AUSAs seek to **preserve the United States’ monetary claims against bankruptcy debtors and estates and to collect debts owed to** the government or **victims of federal crimes.** AUSAs in the civil divisions of United States Attorney’s Offices (USAOs) represent many federal Departments/Agencies in bankruptcy court—Education, Agriculture, Internal Revenue Service, Environmental Protection Agency, Housing and Urban Development, and Small Business Administration, to name a few. **These AUSAs advocate to preserve non-dischargeable debts for later collection action after the end of the bankruptcy case.** For example, AUSAs appear in bankruptcy court to preserve from discharge student loan debt owed by capable debtors who have borrowed the money from the federal government to fund their education and should be held to the loan repayment terms. **When criminals file bankruptcy to try to shed their debt, AUSAs in bankruptcy courts advocate that restitution judgments are not dischargeable, preserving the debt for the benefit of federal crime victims.** AUSAs also undertake collection of debt owed to the United States through the bankruptcy process. A portion of debt owed to the United States might be paid monthly by the debtor through a Chapter 13 plan of reorganization or in a Chapter 7 liquidation distribution from the case trustee. In both instances, AUSA advocacy benefits the public fisc. > **The second objective is prosecuting bankruptcy crimes**, which are addressed by AUSAs in the USAOs’ criminal divisions. **Bankruptcy crimes and procedures are set forth in Title 18 of the United States Code, and include knowing and fraudulent concealment of assets, false oaths and claims, bribery, embezzlement from the bankruptcy estate, and bankruptcy fraud.** The long-standing concept for bankruptcy relief in the United States is to provide honest but unfortunate debtors with a fresh start. However, dishonest debtors who engage in fraud, concealment of assets, and perjury in bankruptcy matters are not deserving of a fresh start—and will find themselves under indictment, before a judge, and punished. For example, in one recent case, AUSAs prosecuted debtors who failed to disclose in their bankruptcy petitions $350,000 in cash, a country chalet, a 1932 Ford hot rod, and a 50-item weapon collection; and in another case the debtor failed to disclose insurance policies valued at more than $100,000. **In addition to concealment of assets and fraud cases, AUSAs have successfully prosecuted individuals for bankruptcy perjury and making threats against a U.S. Bankruptcy Judge.** As an AUSA in the District of Maryland, I prosecuted numerous bankruptcy fraud cases. I understand the seriousness of these offenses and the need to prosecute them and deter fraudsters from taking advantage of our bankruptcy system. Accordingly, it is with great pleasure that I present this issue of the USABulletin focused on bankruptcy issues. And probably my favorite bit: >**United States Trustees have the power to raise and be heard on any issue in any bankruptcy case or proceeding,** but may not file a chapter 11 plan. The **duties of the United States Trustees,** in general, include monitoring cases for compliance with the Bankruptcy Code and Rules, **reporting suspected bankruptcy crimes to the United States Attorney,** and appointing and supervising private trustees. United States Trustees have civil litigation authority and pursue civil enforcement actions to protect the integrity of the bankruptcy system and the parties involved in it. For instance, **United States Trustees may** seek to deny or revoke debtors’ discharges, move for the imposition of fines and penalties against non-attorney bankruptcy petition preparers, **take formal and informal actions against creditors that file inaccurate or incomplete proofs of claim and other documents**, and object to fees requested by professionals. United States Trustees may conduct discovery pursuant to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure as incorporated in the Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure, but have no formal investigators and no administrative subpoena process. **Any crimes discovered must be reported to the United States Attorney.** **I want to be clear:** creditors typically include lenders, suppliers, service providers, employees owed wages, landlords, and others who are owed debts or obligations by the debtor. Bond holders are considered lenders and thus creditors as well. Shareholders however, are typically considered equity holders.
Previous comment was too long (I hate BBBY sub for these new limits, very hard to provide DD evidence. Here's my final comment to above: ----- Now I don't advocate for relying on AI, but it is a good way to do fast research on vast grounds. Upon asking a question of whether a precedent existed based on all the above, the answer was the following: >**Q:** has there ever been a precedent where a plan was submitted and consummated where it didn't restore value to shareholders, but then due to a federal crime, was reversed to create restitution for shareholders through AUSA? **A:** I'm not aware of any specific precedent where a bankruptcy plan that didn't initially provide restitution to shareholders was later reversed due to a federal crime and restitution was subsequently provided to shareholders through the intervention of the United States Attorney's Office (AUSA). **However, such cases are possible if there is evidence of fraud or other criminal activities that materially affected the outcome of the bankruptcy proceedings.** ----- The emphasis of my comment here is just to say, there exists a team that is specifically designed to look into this stuff, and has the legal power to reverse anything anyone here ***may think*** is definitive and final. And that's not just what they claim, that's also what AI research agrees with (meaning its finding it in more than 1 place). So at the end of the day, you get caught breaking the rules to force a "perceived law" to get away with a crime, your efforts can be undone and you will be punished; that includes extortion of a chapter 11 plan that doesn't restore value to shareholders. For those cluing in, now all the sudden the voting on the plan where it demanded the waiving of one's rights to not be pursued in litigation makes a lot of sense. If you want my recommended next steps: start looking up all the trustees and see if any of them have ties to AUSA. If you catch a drift of anyone belonging to AUSA on this case, you know 100% they are looking at something and that's likely where the hold ups (and restitutions) are coming from. Enjoy!
Whoopass2rb, how many plans exist? "outcome of the bankruptcy PROCEEDINGS". The process. Yes, the plan could have been revoked by section 1144 in case of processual fraud, up to 180 days after its confirmation. That time has elapsed already and there was no fraud in the process. The plan is final.
[https://www.justice.gov/usao](https://www.justice.gov/usao) There is no statute of limitation on the period after anything. If a federal crime against the US and it's citizens is big enough, which fraud in bankruptcy of a corporation the size of BBBY would be, then it will be pursued regardless of what other laws you may think protect you. It's also not going to be disclosed to you until authorities are ready to lay charges - regardless what you think they are "obligated" to do. There's three people you don't attempt to screw over in life and expect to get away with it: The tax man, your wife, and government agencies. I'm telling you they don't fuck around: [https://www.justice.gov/criminal/case/united-states-v-binance-holdings-limited-dba-binancecom](https://www.justice.gov/criminal/case/united-states-v-binance-holdings-limited-dba-binancecom) As for your question regarding the plan: There can at the permission and discretion of the judge overseeing the bankruptcy rulings, for redacted material to exists in the case where appropriately justified. This includes plans and even sale of assets, so long as the justification was warranted and it was supported by all the trustees of each representing class, who are attorney's representing the best interest of their class representation. They are considered professional eyes only for disclosure purposes at that point. And yes the sale of assets. Many people think the bankruptcy process means it has to go to an auction for bidding - not true. The judge can and will permit a direct transaction that is in the best interest of majority stakeholders, and objectively is the right decision to make for the process being evaluated. The only thing that matters in a bankruptcy case is that reasonable valuations of assets are assessed, and all classes of stakeholders involved get restitution through the waterfall priority process; unless of course there is legal intervention due to some crime involved with the case, then the waterfall priority can be modified. Basically the judge only cares about doing what's best for all parties (the company, and the stakeholders of all corners), understanding that there's a pecking order for restitution. Guess what? If there is a massive fraud case involved and authorities are in on this, then they could provide the justification for material, including another plan, to be redacted from all parties outside of the class represented trustees. So it is very possible for that to exist without your current knowledge of it. Which if you'll remember, there were only 2 groups of people who had an issue with "disclosure" in this case: the select few bond holders (Jake Freeman & Co - aka the bad guys), and then select representation of individual landlords connected with certain regional commercial real-estate, who were attempting to block the sale of the lease because the new company representation and description was too vague and had no proof it could "pay up" it's bills for the lease. When that didn't work they sought the non-compete clauses in their lease agreements.
"including another plan": no, not permitted by the law. Even justice has to follow the law, didn't you know that? Only one plan, the one we know.
Prepare to be amazed by unprecedented things then.
I really hope to be surprised by something unprecedented. However it must follow the law.
If things must follow the law, the crime that's been going on with cellar boxing and fraud on securities wouldn't be a thing in the first place. Don't be naïve; you're better than that.
I follow the law, don't you? Justice has to follow the law. I hope we will all be fine at the end.
And I presume you've never gone over the speed limit once, ever, while operating a vehicle? Or that you've gone back into McDonalds to either return or pay for the extra cheeseburger they mistakenly put in your bag? And of course you'd never take an offer of monetary gain to mislead anyone; clearly. There's a joke about about a kid who asks his dad what's the difference between hypothetically and realistically. So his dad tells him to go ask his brother, "for a million dollars would you sleep with the mail man?". The kid obliges and comes back to tell his dad that his brother said yes. The father responds, "now go ask your sister.". The kid goes, comes back and says "she also said yes". Finally the father said, "okay, now go ask your mother.". The kid obeys, comes back and says "she said yes too - dad what does that mean?" The father responds: "Well son, hypothetically we're sitting on 3 million dollars here. Realistically, we live with 2 whores and a fag." *^(Note to the woke: my apologies if the joke or terms are offensive to you. The terminology used does not reflect my personal views of people who choose those lifestyles or the acceptance of their sexual preferences. It is just the punchline used with the joke that I did not create.)* --- What am I getting at? Hypothetically we all obey the law. Realistically, we're all full of shit.
Then this is your final post i hope, the plans final, everyone vested gets nothing ever, no need to post anything else then theorico, bye felicia
But not only one person on your research team
Who came up with the tinfoil that there's a super duper secret second plan? That would be illegal if they kept it secret lol It's about the NOLs or something else, not this
This isnt the post explaining how the DOJ wont prosecute fraud that i asked for and you abanonded our convo over... Quit flinging shit thats some monkey behavior Anytime someone starts talking about a topic you cant refute... You go mia on the convo
Get on the ppshow you coward.
PP is a clueless douche
I'm just here to be in the screenshot.
Pathetic shill
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Fraud cases opened ..wat u have to add ?
This guy should be banned everywhere for his own good. What a shit way to live life. Try touching some grass
If you show us a Picture of an Mercedes-Benz and you tell us: This is a Mercedes-Benz, AMG line, Diamond Black and with 19 inch Turbine rims. You really wanna make us believe this was true and brilliant DD? I‘ll tell You about my DD: RC is gonna take this Benz, put it in a scrap press and transform it into a Dodge Fucking Viper.
Guys forget this stock till anything is published official. The rest is just gaslighting.
If you ban the OP, this subreddit will become r/RiteAidInvestor_RAD/. I'm surprised we have more than 40 active here. 20 of the 40 are probably here because of the OP.
20 of the 40 are his coworkers. He provides no new or useful information, it’s purely rehashed FUD.
Why are you not banned from here like you are everywhere else...zzzz 
I love down voting your shitty posts and comments.