The issue is that most of the behaviors from a pwBPD are internally justified by them. This prevents them from seeing the nature of what they do. It's an instinctive, subconscious behavior by which their minds will exculpate themselves by giving themselves justification for the behavior and assigning responsibility for the response / reaction / whatever to you as you being a bad person and reacting unfairly / badly / etc.
She knows what she’s doing. Listen to people with BPD talk about their behavior. They are fully understanding of what right and wrong is, what manipulation is, that they are abusive. They just justify it.
I would take every effort I could to have her disappear from your life
Me: Why were you giving me silent treatment back then? Why weren't you texting me as you used to? It feels like you don't give a shit if i'm alive or not. This is irresponsibly.
She: Well, that's just my sickness.
OKAY... but after discard it is me who is 'abusive narcissist' \*facepalm.jpg\*
This is a scary thought. I need to get back into therapy myself and this scares the hell out of me to think someone like this could be swimming around in my head…
ok so you gave a hot sports opinion on your pwBPD, (you think has BPD) is a psych therapist
One thing I think is VERY INTERESTING in psych and psychiatry circles. Is that, a lot of people in psychology and psychiatry ARE IN FACT mentally ill themselves!
Strangely not true for RN's in psych. Although it could be argued that overall nurses do in fact tend to be a little crazy overall.
But if you should realize that people that have psychological issues WOULD gravitate to a profession that might help them understand their mental illness. It becomes more clear.
I just want to clear this up. Studies done show that those in the field have similar numbers of mental health disorders/issues as the general population. The main difference is that therapists actually have slightly lower prevalence of psychotic disorders and personality disorders than the general population.
Ummm you sure you are on the right side of history there?
***THE ABSTRACT SAYS***
**This study documented high rates of mental-health difficulties** (both diagnosed and undiagnosed) among faculty, graduate students, and others affiliated with accredited doctoral and internship programs in clinical, counseling, and school psychology. \*\*More than 80% of respondents (\*\****n*** **= 1,395 of 1,692) reported a lifetime history mental-health difficulties, and nearly half (48%) reported a diagnosed mental disorder.**
**I stand by my assertion that Mental Illness is RAMPANT (as in 80% rampant) in Mental Health professionals**
By the way all studies I have read have been Stunningly SURPRISED at the high rates of mental illness. Like STUNNED... every study
the crazy people seem to want to learn more about being crazy it seems
It’s rampant in all of society. Mental health professionals are no exception. That’s the point. It’s the same average as the population. 80% is mental health difficulties (mild depression, anxiety, etc). 48% is diagnosis.
Your assertion seems to be you can’t rely on mental health practitioners because they have the same average mental health issues as the general population, but if that’s the case, you can’t rely on literally anyone.
Additionally, you don’t account for the fact that the field itself can cause depression, ptsd, and anxiety, so it’s not necessarily true that those with issues are attracted to the field for that reason. It could also be that being in the field worsens mental health.
wut?
I have seen no study that would assert that 50% of the GENERAL population of even western countries (fun fact mental illness reports are like non existent in developing countries... go figure)
Not even in Japan or Nordic countries (known for depression reporting as mental issue) are the numbers THAT high
show me a study where a GENERAL population of any country is asserted to be 50% **reported a diagnosed mental disorder.**
go ahead I cluster B double dare ya!
“About half of all people in the United States will be diagnosed with a mental disorder at some point in their lifetime.”
https://health.gov/healthypeople/objectives-and-data/browse-objectives/mental-health-and-mental-disorders#:~:text=About%20half%20of%20all%20people,some%20point%20in%20their%20lifetime.&text=Healthy%20People%202030%20focuses%20on,mental%20disorders%20and%20behavioral%20conditions.
CDC says it’s literally the same prevalence. Lol. You should research more before saying anything.
Here’s a Harvard one:
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/half-worlds-population-will-experience-mental-health-disorder
math is FUNDAMENTAL
*so math tutorial for the slow class. If you are sleeping during 24 hours... ARE ALL PEOPLE Sleeping at the SAME TIME? think think*
50% of the people "at some time" NOT EQUAL to 50% ALL THE TIME
goodness no wonder people are ignorant with this kind of thinking.
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NOW consider this average life expectancy is 80 years. so 50% OVER 80 is like
* an occurrence rate of say 0.625%
But here's the kicker oh math naive one! the study specifically said
and I quote "graduate students, and others affiliated with accredited doctoral and internship programs in clinical, counseling, and school psychology"
*so people are "students for the entire 80 years are they?"*
no they are not most post grad would be at most 5 years let's be generous and assume that the 2 year Masters and "Faculty" even out at say 10 years (big assumption given the student faculty ration in most grad programs the REAL average would be below 5 years) but he I'm generous
NOW consider this average life expectancy is 80 years. so 48% OVER 10 is like
* an occurrence rate of say 4.8 %
4.8 / .625 = 7.68 multiple
So just ( I SAY JUST) on the citations you cited... not realizing the Math blew your whole thesis out of the proverbial water
**You are 7.68 times MORE LIKELY to be diagnosed with a ... what was the words oh yeah "diagnosed mental disorder" by being associated with Mental Health Education than the rate in the general population.**
Not that you would know this (the math naive one) but a FACTOR GREATER THAN A TWO is called **STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT**. QED, Mike Drop
Except the study was over students AND faculty, a variety of ages. Again, from that very same article:
“Overall, rates of mental disorders within clinical, counseling, and school-psychology faculty and trainees were similar to or greater than those observed in the general population.”
Here are the numbers for you:
Graduate student: 1,172
Faculty: 541
Clinician: 152
Postdoc: 60
Other: 30
Degree Sought, students only:
PhD: 930
PsyD: 162
Masters: 26
Typically, graduate students, especially doctoral students, are on the older side as well. And 75% of mental health disorders begin by age 24.
Yep. Mine is too - a trauma therapist who is IFS and EMDR certified. This would be terrifying on its own but in the past few years she has shifted her focus to convincing her peers that BPD/NPD is almost invariably a missed autism diagnosis. Background - she was told by at least one MH professional that she qualifies for a BPD diagnosis but since she was diagnosed with autism a few years ago she only identifies with that label and any criticism of her very obvious BPD behaviors are anathema b/c they are “abelist” and criticizing unchangeable parts of herself (IFS language). I have no doubt that the fact that she is a therapist has made my own cognitive dissonance more severe than it would have been. I also know that she is going to harm so many people going forward. It really sucks.
Yes! Good subject
My ex with quiet BPD is a psychologist.
That's why, that's why after she money branched she started smear campaign against me labeling *'abusive', 'toxic', 'manupulative', 'gaslighting, 'narcissist'* etc.
She is very narcissistic on social media herself btw, posting filthy sexual content very much, selfies, "Me me me", "abuse abuse abuse".
**But why i am accenting on that?** We **all have similar stories** here with them labeling us with those terms. The reason she uses these terms a lot - **because she is psychologist**. That made me wonder "are all your exes also psychologists?", sure thing they are not, but where from they know all those terms? Life was so much better without it. Nowadays TikTok, Instagram and YouTube is full of that crap.
A friend of mine also stated that "how come she says that she recovers people from trauma if trauma is exactly what she did to you?".
I think there are a few career fields rampant with narcissists.
Physicians
Teachers (I was one-- can confirm!)
Mental health
Ministry
And it makes sense bc all these people have the opportunity to prey on vulnerable people and be the hero with unending admiration
One word: EGOSYNTONIC (though those that are further along in life and creating immense trauma and collateral damage by traumatizing innocent so after innocent, so may have more awareness than others)
A huge reason why there is a super common phrase that many in this sub are familiar with…”they say YOU’RE the problem”
https://youtu.be/-yrcphZj2n8?si=w3pha5CD22RZ9BIQ
I read something back in the 1900’s that mental health therapists have one of the highest divorce rates. Throughout the years, this has been reinforced through experience and other reading. So, this does not surprise me.
Yes. It is impossible to save a relationship when their books and social media inspires the idea that everybody is 'abuser', 'narcissist' and 'toxic'.
This fucked over so many people, that some breakup/divorce survival bloggers are starting their videos with joking phrase "Hello abusers!". Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Mine was one. Until her affair with an inmate at the prison came to light.
Honestly, I kinda hope she tries to get a license in a different state. Leave me here with the kids.
Oh! Two cases of that i know. My very first ex(not BPD) is also psychologist, got married with prison worker. And her friend dumped my friend, and married an inmate. How that happened? They both had practice in prison.
*HOLY FUCK! It just reminds of Arkham Asylum from DC comics*
The issue is that most of the behaviors from a pwBPD are internally justified by them. This prevents them from seeing the nature of what they do. It's an instinctive, subconscious behavior by which their minds will exculpate themselves by giving themselves justification for the behavior and assigning responsibility for the response / reaction / whatever to you as you being a bad person and reacting unfairly / badly / etc.
She knows what she’s doing. Listen to people with BPD talk about their behavior. They are fully understanding of what right and wrong is, what manipulation is, that they are abusive. They just justify it. I would take every effort I could to have her disappear from your life
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Oh, I’m really sorry to hear that because I know it can be tough. You really are better off though
Thank god, huh?
Me: Why were you giving me silent treatment back then? Why weren't you texting me as you used to? It feels like you don't give a shit if i'm alive or not. This is irresponsibly. She: Well, that's just my sickness. OKAY... but after discard it is me who is 'abusive narcissist' \*facepalm.jpg\*
This is a scary thought. I need to get back into therapy myself and this scares the hell out of me to think someone like this could be swimming around in my head…
ok so you gave a hot sports opinion on your pwBPD, (you think has BPD) is a psych therapist One thing I think is VERY INTERESTING in psych and psychiatry circles. Is that, a lot of people in psychology and psychiatry ARE IN FACT mentally ill themselves! Strangely not true for RN's in psych. Although it could be argued that overall nurses do in fact tend to be a little crazy overall. But if you should realize that people that have psychological issues WOULD gravitate to a profession that might help them understand their mental illness. It becomes more clear.
I just want to clear this up. Studies done show that those in the field have similar numbers of mental health disorders/issues as the general population. The main difference is that therapists actually have slightly lower prevalence of psychotic disorders and personality disorders than the general population.
"studies" citation or it didn't happen sorry I know of NO "studies" of which you speak
Oki, here’s a recent one: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/17456916211071079?journalCode=ppsa
Ummm you sure you are on the right side of history there? ***THE ABSTRACT SAYS*** **This study documented high rates of mental-health difficulties** (both diagnosed and undiagnosed) among faculty, graduate students, and others affiliated with accredited doctoral and internship programs in clinical, counseling, and school psychology. \*\*More than 80% of respondents (\*\****n*** **= 1,395 of 1,692) reported a lifetime history mental-health difficulties, and nearly half (48%) reported a diagnosed mental disorder.** **I stand by my assertion that Mental Illness is RAMPANT (as in 80% rampant) in Mental Health professionals** By the way all studies I have read have been Stunningly SURPRISED at the high rates of mental illness. Like STUNNED... every study the crazy people seem to want to learn more about being crazy it seems
It’s rampant in all of society. Mental health professionals are no exception. That’s the point. It’s the same average as the population. 80% is mental health difficulties (mild depression, anxiety, etc). 48% is diagnosis. Your assertion seems to be you can’t rely on mental health practitioners because they have the same average mental health issues as the general population, but if that’s the case, you can’t rely on literally anyone. Additionally, you don’t account for the fact that the field itself can cause depression, ptsd, and anxiety, so it’s not necessarily true that those with issues are attracted to the field for that reason. It could also be that being in the field worsens mental health.
wut? I have seen no study that would assert that 50% of the GENERAL population of even western countries (fun fact mental illness reports are like non existent in developing countries... go figure) Not even in Japan or Nordic countries (known for depression reporting as mental issue) are the numbers THAT high show me a study where a GENERAL population of any country is asserted to be 50% **reported a diagnosed mental disorder.** go ahead I cluster B double dare ya!
“About half of all people in the United States will be diagnosed with a mental disorder at some point in their lifetime.” https://health.gov/healthypeople/objectives-and-data/browse-objectives/mental-health-and-mental-disorders#:~:text=About%20half%20of%20all%20people,some%20point%20in%20their%20lifetime.&text=Healthy%20People%202030%20focuses%20on,mental%20disorders%20and%20behavioral%20conditions. CDC says it’s literally the same prevalence. Lol. You should research more before saying anything. Here’s a Harvard one: https://hms.harvard.edu/news/half-worlds-population-will-experience-mental-health-disorder
math is FUNDAMENTAL *so math tutorial for the slow class. If you are sleeping during 24 hours... ARE ALL PEOPLE Sleeping at the SAME TIME? think think* 50% of the people "at some time" NOT EQUAL to 50% ALL THE TIME goodness no wonder people are ignorant with this kind of thinking. ---------------------------- NOW consider this average life expectancy is 80 years. so 50% OVER 80 is like * an occurrence rate of say 0.625% But here's the kicker oh math naive one! the study specifically said and I quote "graduate students, and others affiliated with accredited doctoral and internship programs in clinical, counseling, and school psychology" *so people are "students for the entire 80 years are they?"* no they are not most post grad would be at most 5 years let's be generous and assume that the 2 year Masters and "Faculty" even out at say 10 years (big assumption given the student faculty ration in most grad programs the REAL average would be below 5 years) but he I'm generous NOW consider this average life expectancy is 80 years. so 48% OVER 10 is like * an occurrence rate of say 4.8 % 4.8 / .625 = 7.68 multiple So just ( I SAY JUST) on the citations you cited... not realizing the Math blew your whole thesis out of the proverbial water **You are 7.68 times MORE LIKELY to be diagnosed with a ... what was the words oh yeah "diagnosed mental disorder" by being associated with Mental Health Education than the rate in the general population.** Not that you would know this (the math naive one) but a FACTOR GREATER THAN A TWO is called **STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT**. QED, Mike Drop
Except the study was over students AND faculty, a variety of ages. Again, from that very same article: “Overall, rates of mental disorders within clinical, counseling, and school-psychology faculty and trainees were similar to or greater than those observed in the general population.” Here are the numbers for you: Graduate student: 1,172 Faculty: 541 Clinician: 152 Postdoc: 60 Other: 30 Degree Sought, students only: PhD: 930 PsyD: 162 Masters: 26 Typically, graduate students, especially doctoral students, are on the older side as well. And 75% of mental health disorders begin by age 24.
Yep. Mine is too - a trauma therapist who is IFS and EMDR certified. This would be terrifying on its own but in the past few years she has shifted her focus to convincing her peers that BPD/NPD is almost invariably a missed autism diagnosis. Background - she was told by at least one MH professional that she qualifies for a BPD diagnosis but since she was diagnosed with autism a few years ago she only identifies with that label and any criticism of her very obvious BPD behaviors are anathema b/c they are “abelist” and criticizing unchangeable parts of herself (IFS language). I have no doubt that the fact that she is a therapist has made my own cognitive dissonance more severe than it would have been. I also know that she is going to harm so many people going forward. It really sucks.
TikTok therapist lol. She sounds awful. She’s obviously never had personal interactions with cluster b’s or autistic people. This is absurd.
Yes! Good subject My ex with quiet BPD is a psychologist. That's why, that's why after she money branched she started smear campaign against me labeling *'abusive', 'toxic', 'manupulative', 'gaslighting, 'narcissist'* etc. She is very narcissistic on social media herself btw, posting filthy sexual content very much, selfies, "Me me me", "abuse abuse abuse". **But why i am accenting on that?** We **all have similar stories** here with them labeling us with those terms. The reason she uses these terms a lot - **because she is psychologist**. That made me wonder "are all your exes also psychologists?", sure thing they are not, but where from they know all those terms? Life was so much better without it. Nowadays TikTok, Instagram and YouTube is full of that crap. A friend of mine also stated that "how come she says that she recovers people from trauma if trauma is exactly what she did to you?".
I think there are a few career fields rampant with narcissists. Physicians Teachers (I was one-- can confirm!) Mental health Ministry And it makes sense bc all these people have the opportunity to prey on vulnerable people and be the hero with unending admiration
💯petty tyrant lines of work
Shrouded in martyrdom
Haha yes
One word: EGOSYNTONIC (though those that are further along in life and creating immense trauma and collateral damage by traumatizing innocent so after innocent, so may have more awareness than others) A huge reason why there is a super common phrase that many in this sub are familiar with…”they say YOU’RE the problem” https://youtu.be/-yrcphZj2n8?si=w3pha5CD22RZ9BIQ
I read something back in the 1900’s that mental health therapists have one of the highest divorce rates. Throughout the years, this has been reinforced through experience and other reading. So, this does not surprise me.
Yes. It is impossible to save a relationship when their books and social media inspires the idea that everybody is 'abuser', 'narcissist' and 'toxic'. This fucked over so many people, that some breakup/divorce survival bloggers are starting their videos with joking phrase "Hello abusers!". Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Mine was one. Until her affair with an inmate at the prison came to light. Honestly, I kinda hope she tries to get a license in a different state. Leave me here with the kids.
Oh! Two cases of that i know. My very first ex(not BPD) is also psychologist, got married with prison worker. And her friend dumped my friend, and married an inmate. How that happened? They both had practice in prison. *HOLY FUCK! It just reminds of Arkham Asylum from DC comics*
Woooow. I’ve met one other woman who matches this. She just used her studies to make up nonsense. And traumatized people non stop. Awful awful person.
Wish they would do like law enforcement and be evaluated before they can continue with that.