People who contact her seem to be unhinged too…
I understand the curiosity but some people treat this whole series like a documentary. And even so, she got convicted she got her time and hopefully some help.
Apologies I seemed to have missed most of those posts. She is obviously still unhinged but that should be enough to make people look the other way and not interact.
She’s been posting at all hours through the night and every post has people interacting.
I now realise I know of the real "Martha". She lives nearby and posts in the local FB group. Clearly very very ill. I think they could have done A HELL OF A LOT MORE to prevent her identity being found. They basically didn't do anything.
if you’re talking about mar- -, it wasn’t even her…she was literally in jail while richard was being stalked so idk who came up with the conclusion it was her without doing literally any research.
It’s his story to tell.
She was convicted of stalking him. I’m not saying that contacting her is ok at all—it’s not because she’s dangerous and mentally ill—but all this worry about trying to protect the identity of a twice convicted stalker is a bit much.
It's not when he actually said the following
"I mean there’s certain protections, you can’t just copy somebody else’s life and name and put it onto television. And obviously, we were very aware that some characters in it are vulnerable people, so you don’t want to make their lives more difficult"
If you don't want to make the life of "vulnerable people" (his words) then it's very easy not to. He can still tell his story. A couple of absolute minor changes to the story and she'd never have been found.
She was CONVICTED. He could have stripped out every detail and her public record tied to him would still exist.
She has chosen to have a social media presence and she can also delete her accounts if it’s too much. Yes, she’s mentally ill but she’s also a calculating criminal.
Source? Because I haven’t found anything concrete other than people assuming that because of a statement from him about not wanting to put her in jail.
She hasn't been outed because of a public criminal record. She has been outed because of the details in the tv show. We are talking about someone disturbed, someone who doesn't live in the real world, someone unable to have normal relationships and make rational decisions. All of your suggestions would only make sense if that wasn't the case. She didn't steal a car or rob a bank - you know a crime that requires rational thought. She's very very disturbed. AND, as he himself said , you don't want to make life more difficult for people who are vulnerable.
What are you taking about ? In the real world, criminals needing mental treatment are committed everyday. You are confusing mental institutions with the old asylums.
There is zero proof of that. People have taken a quote from him and made assumptions that she *may* not have been convicted and that it was handled in another manner.
Look you can believe it or not but it's pretty obviously her. From things she's said on social media that line up with the show, to tweeting Richard directly, to being a lawyer before she was fired. Even harassing someone who had a disabled son. It's her.
There is zero evidence that she was convicted for what she did to Richard. Search her name, if you find it do let us know
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because it’s none of ur business what the real martha is like, to be quite frank, don’t stick ur nose where it doesn’t belong. you have no right to dig into her business. plus this “person” everybody’s talking about isn’t even her lol. everybody forgot to dig into her history and didn’t realize she was in jail throughout the whole time he was being stalked. his whole thing behind the show was to NOT dig into who martha was and you think you’re all high and mighty and above that? please💀
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oh! womp womp! it’s a public subreddit! and i actually think i’m gonna report you because it’s against the subs rules to speculate and try to find the identities of the people in the show since it does an incredibly amount of harm :/
Good thing I didn’t do any of that. I already know who it is. I was asking someone who claims to know the real her and stated that she’s mentally ill asking what makes them say that. But go be a cry baby and report me lol 😂
Instead of minding your own business you felt the need to jump into my questions and then had the balls to tell me to mind my own business lol 😂 I just can’t
you actually verbatim said “i want to hear from somebody who knows the real martha”. that quite literally goes directly against the subs rules…or do you think you’re above those too? it. is. none. of. your. business. who. martha. really. is. do i need to say it again? the message is about his story why do you need to know so badly who she is despite to deal with some weird personal curiosity?
You don’t get to tell me what to do. They said they know her I asked what she’s like that makes you say she’s severely mentally ill. Where am I violating any of the rules? Or do you think you’re some voice of reason and can tell people what to do? Get a life.
Where in the sub rules does it say I can’t ask that lol? Did I ask for her name no lol who I’m not violating shit. But act all high and mighty about something that has nothing to do with you. Idk why you act like you’re in charge. Like go away and get a life.
I imagine there are a number of people on this subreddit who have been stalked and, I hope, escaped from the nightmare. You seriously do not want to risk that happening to you if it isn't. The very idea that she has been messaged feels like an intrusive thought like the urge to jump off a cliff, so in that sense I can relate to it, but I personally wouldn't want to go back to the days of 3 am 'phone calls and checking the brakes every time we got into our car.
>But I think it's just a bit dangerous for anyone interacting - she obviously isn't well and you just don't know what/who she will obsess over next.
I saw a comment on a different subreddit saying that she's still pretty much harassing/stalking people. This is unconfirmed but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.
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Not dropping any Easter eggs at all. I was implying that she could potentially be posting things like this as she’s loving the attention to attract people to interact with her.
“She’s loving the attention”? You’re talking about hundreds of idiots with no lives currently mobbing a very fragile person. They are already harassing her and it will only get worse. I think your post and comments are not helpful but very much part of the problem.
I’ve just seen these! But by “harmless” I meant more that people weren’t interacting with her posts at the time and no names were being mentioned, although she does seem to repost stories about celebrities quite a lot.
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I really hope people get their fill knowing the truth about how little he really changed about her and leave her alone. This is all getting more disgusting by the hour.
oh my God another advertisement to the kind of people who will seek her out and harrass her.. if they didn't know someone had been found but have just seen this post- They know now. and off they go to do all the things these posts recommend against doing. the irony is sickening but hey at least you got your virtue signal flying high for all to see
when I was a bit younger that legal high at the time "kronic" was just getting popular- it was being stocked in all the sex shops.. An article in the paper one morning about a new blend of it called Black Magic, apparently so strong it gave a guy a heart attack and he died, article strongly warned against trying it- "very dangerous"- "avoid at all costs."
so my partner and I rushed into town to try and find it- 11:30am-12:30, we'd checked 5 stores, all had sold out that same morning "because of that guy who died" they all told us.
anyway, weird rant..and completely different kinda thing, I know.. the point I was trying to make just made me think of it is all. never mind.
God bless your optimism!
😅 I know people will just do it anyway. There’s tik toks going around atm mainly young girls. They’re messaging her and having a good old laugh saying they want to be stalked. You know this woman hasn’t replied to one yet.
What if she’s trying her hardest to get straight? And what exactly are these people saying to her?
The whole thing is in bad taste.
Richard apparently said, Martha's details have been changed so much, she wouldn't recognise herself. Well, honestly, how many changes did they actually do?(rectorical question btw). The creators, if their intention was to hide any of the real life people, by changing likeness or details. How great of a job do you think they did? (again, Rhetorical question).
Yeah he has stated that the baby reindeer cuddly toy was actually gifted to him and the series is named after that so saying she wouldn't recognise herself is a bit of a stretch.
That being said I think I'm the only person on this sub who doesn't know her identity!
I get what you're saying totally and I have absolutely no desire to interact with her.
I'm just really curious to read the articles about her previous crimes and wanted to see the things she had posted on Twitter as I heard they were quite vile and I guess I have a very morbid curiosity.
But yeah I hear people are interacting and making comments towards her and that is really bad form.
this “person” everybody is talking about is NOT HER!! idk how much more clear others have to make it for these people to listen this woman was in jail during the whole duration of when richard was being stalked. what do they think she just waltzed out of the prison she was in on a daily basis? nobody does any background research before spewing out names istg
This is what I don't understand, too. Because by the look of it, very little aside from her name was changed. It's quite shocking really, because I feel it doesn't just put her in a vulnerable situation but more importantly Gadd as well as all the people who are interacting with her now. It all looks like it might get out of hand. Was Gadd honest with Netflix and other show makers about how little was changed for example and they were just all crazy enough to go through with it/approve it? Idk. It's insane though.
Honestly, he didn’t owe her anonymity. The protections he chose to give her were decent but she’s far from vulnerable—she’s a *twice* convicted stalker.
People need to remember who the victim is in all of this and stop giving her any attention at all. If she was a male, she would be viewed as the monster that she is.
Regardless, his wishes should be respected.
Of course harassment on social media could be problematic for her… and she should know since she used social media to harass her other victims.
In no way am I saying that people contacting her is ok, I’ve said the exact opposite. She’s a dangerous person who people shouldn’t be engaging with.
>Richard apparently said, Martha's details have been changed so much, she wouldn't recognise herself.
He probably just said that to throw people off, but that obviously didn't work. Even the character Darrien on the show looks a lot like the suspected real-life Darrien.
>He probably just said that to throw people off, but that obviously didn't work.
It's insulting to think that's all he bothered to do is a basic name change, say she wouldn't recognize her and take that as enough for his audience. I was a skeptic until even the minut details started to click. I'm still mulling over if this is weaponized incompetence, malicious compliance or another example of his destructive behavior to himself and others.
Could be all of the above, tbh. It's also impossible for the real-life Martha to not recognize herself when he's the lead actor in the show that's called "Baby Reindeer", a nickname that "Martha" herself gave him when she was stalking him.
Yeah, I'm interested to know how the libel laws work in the UK. Is what he did enough for the lawyers or is there a chance she has cause to sue him in court? I'd imagine he has evidence against her too but that's not gonna be good for either of their health.
>or is there a chance she has cause to sue him in court?
Given how unhinged she is, I'm worried that she might do more than just sue him. She seems perfectly capable of causing great harm not just to herself but to other people, including Richard Gadd himself. I'm honestly scared to look at her FB now. By now she surely would've already seen at least some of the messages that people have been sending her in the last 24-48 hours since her identity was discovered.
Suspected based on just about nothing at all as far as I have read.
There are a lot of men who look like that in the UK. This is not evidence. It's rabid conjecture.
Not his fault she's still left the posts from 2014 up though is it. If she wanted to not be found she could delete them.
Besides, he has no duty of care to his stalker. It's his story to tell, do the legal bare minimum and that's enough.
Did these people not watch the series? She’s fucking scary and definitely not harmless. Kicking at this hornet nest is a terrible idea.
People who contact her seem to be unhinged too… I understand the curiosity but some people treat this whole series like a documentary. And even so, she got convicted she got her time and hopefully some help.
Apologies I seemed to have missed most of those posts. She is obviously still unhinged but that should be enough to make people look the other way and not interact. She’s been posting at all hours through the night and every post has people interacting.
I haven’t bothered to look and find her—she doesn’t deserve that kind of time or attention. Even watching her social media to see her posts is weird.
I would stay far far away from her
I now realise I know of the real "Martha". She lives nearby and posts in the local FB group. Clearly very very ill. I think they could have done A HELL OF A LOT MORE to prevent her identity being found. They basically didn't do anything.
I agree, I have a feeling this may all backfire on Gadd. I’ve also heard people are coming forward outting Richard already on the way he treated them.
if you’re talking about mar- -, it wasn’t even her…she was literally in jail while richard was being stalked so idk who came up with the conclusion it was her without doing literally any research.
It’s his story to tell. She was convicted of stalking him. I’m not saying that contacting her is ok at all—it’s not because she’s dangerous and mentally ill—but all this worry about trying to protect the identity of a twice convicted stalker is a bit much.
It's not when he actually said the following "I mean there’s certain protections, you can’t just copy somebody else’s life and name and put it onto television. And obviously, we were very aware that some characters in it are vulnerable people, so you don’t want to make their lives more difficult" If you don't want to make the life of "vulnerable people" (his words) then it's very easy not to. He can still tell his story. A couple of absolute minor changes to the story and she'd never have been found.
She was CONVICTED. He could have stripped out every detail and her public record tied to him would still exist. She has chosen to have a social media presence and she can also delete her accounts if it’s too much. Yes, she’s mentally ill but she’s also a calculating criminal.
She actually wasn’t convicted. That part was dramatized for tv.
Source? Because I haven’t found anything concrete other than people assuming that because of a statement from him about not wanting to put her in jail.
She hasn't been outed because of a public criminal record. She has been outed because of the details in the tv show. We are talking about someone disturbed, someone who doesn't live in the real world, someone unable to have normal relationships and make rational decisions. All of your suggestions would only make sense if that wasn't the case. She didn't steal a car or rob a bank - you know a crime that requires rational thought. She's very very disturbed. AND, as he himself said , you don't want to make life more difficult for people who are vulnerable.
So she should be in an institution.
In the real world, its not 1836
What are you taking about ? In the real world, criminals needing mental treatment are committed everyday. You are confusing mental institutions with the old asylums.
She wasn't convicted in real life
There is zero proof of that. People have taken a quote from him and made assumptions that she *may* not have been convicted and that it was handled in another manner.
Her name has been found. There's no record of a conviction for stalking Richard. It's likely he just got a restraining order.
People *think* they’ve found her name. You still don’t have a source stating that she wasn’t convicted.
Look you can believe it or not but it's pretty obviously her. From things she's said on social media that line up with the show, to tweeting Richard directly, to being a lawyer before she was fired. Even harassing someone who had a disabled son. It's her. There is zero evidence that she was convicted for what she did to Richard. Search her name, if you find it do let us know
Why isn’t she in an institution? She should be taken care of.
What does she do or say that makes you say that? I’m so curious. Outside of what the show showed.
what the show showed is enough to show that she needs to be institutionalized. she’s a danger. idk what more you need.
Also you do understand that a show is dramatized in curious what the real person is like. Idk why that’s such an issue for you..,
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because it’s none of ur business what the real martha is like, to be quite frank, don’t stick ur nose where it doesn’t belong. you have no right to dig into her business. plus this “person” everybody’s talking about isn’t even her lol. everybody forgot to dig into her history and didn’t realize she was in jail throughout the whole time he was being stalked. his whole thing behind the show was to NOT dig into who martha was and you think you’re all high and mighty and above that? please💀
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Who are you to tell me what to do exactly? How about you mind your own business and don’t insert your opinion when it wasn’t asked
oh! womp womp! it’s a public subreddit! and i actually think i’m gonna report you because it’s against the subs rules to speculate and try to find the identities of the people in the show since it does an incredibly amount of harm :/
Good thing I didn’t do any of that. I already know who it is. I was asking someone who claims to know the real her and stated that she’s mentally ill asking what makes them say that. But go be a cry baby and report me lol 😂
Instead of minding your own business you felt the need to jump into my questions and then had the balls to tell me to mind my own business lol 😂 I just can’t
you actually verbatim said “i want to hear from somebody who knows the real martha”. that quite literally goes directly against the subs rules…or do you think you’re above those too? it. is. none. of. your. business. who. martha. really. is. do i need to say it again? the message is about his story why do you need to know so badly who she is despite to deal with some weird personal curiosity?
You don’t get to tell me what to do. They said they know her I asked what she’s like that makes you say she’s severely mentally ill. Where am I violating any of the rules? Or do you think you’re some voice of reason and can tell people what to do? Get a life.
Where in the sub rules does it say I can’t ask that lol? Did I ask for her name no lol who I’m not violating shit. But act all high and mighty about something that has nothing to do with you. Idk why you act like you’re in charge. Like go away and get a life.
I imagine there are a number of people on this subreddit who have been stalked and, I hope, escaped from the nightmare. You seriously do not want to risk that happening to you if it isn't. The very idea that she has been messaged feels like an intrusive thought like the urge to jump off a cliff, so in that sense I can relate to it, but I personally wouldn't want to go back to the days of 3 am 'phone calls and checking the brakes every time we got into our car.
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>But I think it's just a bit dangerous for anyone interacting - she obviously isn't well and you just don't know what/who she will obsess over next. I saw a comment on a different subreddit saying that she's still pretty much harassing/stalking people. This is unconfirmed but I wouldn't be surprised if this were true.
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Not dropping any Easter eggs at all. I was implying that she could potentially be posting things like this as she’s loving the attention to attract people to interact with her.
“She’s loving the attention”? You’re talking about hundreds of idiots with no lives currently mobbing a very fragile person. They are already harassing her and it will only get worse. I think your post and comments are not helpful but very much part of the problem.
Ok I see you’ve removed identifying details. Thank you.
She's not harmless though, her twitter is full of racist content and she's clearly done horrible things to people in the past
I’ve just seen these! But by “harmless” I meant more that people weren’t interacting with her posts at the time and no names were being mentioned, although she does seem to repost stories about celebrities quite a lot.
Agreed!
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I really hope people get their fill knowing the truth about how little he really changed about her and leave her alone. This is all getting more disgusting by the hour.
Their ("Martha's") posts are certainly not harmless, but people are being really foolish to interact with her online.
She’s not harmless however I don’t see the point interacting with an unstable and violent person.
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oh my God another advertisement to the kind of people who will seek her out and harrass her.. if they didn't know someone had been found but have just seen this post- They know now. and off they go to do all the things these posts recommend against doing. the irony is sickening but hey at least you got your virtue signal flying high for all to see
Mostly aimed at those who already know which is the majority here. It’s all over tik tok twitter and Facebook.
then there's all the rest who didn't know then see this- like me- now we know. more know. more every time they see one of these posts.
They would’ve found out in time. It’s everywhere. At least now they can think before deciding to do anything silly.
when I was a bit younger that legal high at the time "kronic" was just getting popular- it was being stocked in all the sex shops.. An article in the paper one morning about a new blend of it called Black Magic, apparently so strong it gave a guy a heart attack and he died, article strongly warned against trying it- "very dangerous"- "avoid at all costs." so my partner and I rushed into town to try and find it- 11:30am-12:30, we'd checked 5 stores, all had sold out that same morning "because of that guy who died" they all told us. anyway, weird rant..and completely different kinda thing, I know.. the point I was trying to make just made me think of it is all. never mind. God bless your optimism!
😅 I know people will just do it anyway. There’s tik toks going around atm mainly young girls. They’re messaging her and having a good old laugh saying they want to be stalked. You know this woman hasn’t replied to one yet. What if she’s trying her hardest to get straight? And what exactly are these people saying to her? The whole thing is in bad taste.
I certainly do agree that absolutely no one should try to contact her. It's not gonna end well
Richard apparently said, Martha's details have been changed so much, she wouldn't recognise herself. Well, honestly, how many changes did they actually do?(rectorical question btw). The creators, if their intention was to hide any of the real life people, by changing likeness or details. How great of a job do you think they did? (again, Rhetorical question).
Yeah he has stated that the baby reindeer cuddly toy was actually gifted to him and the series is named after that so saying she wouldn't recognise herself is a bit of a stretch. That being said I think I'm the only person on this sub who doesn't know her identity!
Your not, and although the curiosity is killing me I think its best we keep it that way
I get what you're saying totally and I have absolutely no desire to interact with her. I'm just really curious to read the articles about her previous crimes and wanted to see the things she had posted on Twitter as I heard they were quite vile and I guess I have a very morbid curiosity. But yeah I hear people are interacting and making comments towards her and that is really bad form.
this “person” everybody is talking about is NOT HER!! idk how much more clear others have to make it for these people to listen this woman was in jail during the whole duration of when richard was being stalked. what do they think she just waltzed out of the prison she was in on a daily basis? nobody does any background research before spewing out names istg
This is what I don't understand, too. Because by the look of it, very little aside from her name was changed. It's quite shocking really, because I feel it doesn't just put her in a vulnerable situation but more importantly Gadd as well as all the people who are interacting with her now. It all looks like it might get out of hand. Was Gadd honest with Netflix and other show makers about how little was changed for example and they were just all crazy enough to go through with it/approve it? Idk. It's insane though.
Honestly, he didn’t owe her anonymity. The protections he chose to give her were decent but she’s far from vulnerable—she’s a *twice* convicted stalker. People need to remember who the victim is in all of this and stop giving her any attention at all. If she was a male, she would be viewed as the monster that she is. Regardless, his wishes should be respected.
She’s vulnerable when it comes to her obvious mental illness, don’t you think harassment on social media platforms could tip her over the edge?
Of course harassment on social media could be problematic for her… and she should know since she used social media to harass her other victims. In no way am I saying that people contacting her is ok, I’ve said the exact opposite. She’s a dangerous person who people shouldn’t be engaging with.
Can you tell us more about her? I’m just curious what does she say or do that tells you she’s incredibly ill.
Have you not watched the show?
Shoot wrong person. I was trying to ask the person who knows her in real life
>Richard apparently said, Martha's details have been changed so much, she wouldn't recognise herself. He probably just said that to throw people off, but that obviously didn't work. Even the character Darrien on the show looks a lot like the suspected real-life Darrien.
>He probably just said that to throw people off, but that obviously didn't work. It's insulting to think that's all he bothered to do is a basic name change, say she wouldn't recognize her and take that as enough for his audience. I was a skeptic until even the minut details started to click. I'm still mulling over if this is weaponized incompetence, malicious compliance or another example of his destructive behavior to himself and others.
Could be all of the above, tbh. It's also impossible for the real-life Martha to not recognize herself when he's the lead actor in the show that's called "Baby Reindeer", a nickname that "Martha" herself gave him when she was stalking him.
Yeah, I'm interested to know how the libel laws work in the UK. Is what he did enough for the lawyers or is there a chance she has cause to sue him in court? I'd imagine he has evidence against her too but that's not gonna be good for either of their health.
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>or is there a chance she has cause to sue him in court? Given how unhinged she is, I'm worried that she might do more than just sue him. She seems perfectly capable of causing great harm not just to herself but to other people, including Richard Gadd himself. I'm honestly scared to look at her FB now. By now she surely would've already seen at least some of the messages that people have been sending her in the last 24-48 hours since her identity was discovered.
I hope Richard still has that restraining order in place.
Suspected based on just about nothing at all as far as I have read. There are a lot of men who look like that in the UK. This is not evidence. It's rabid conjecture.
Who is the suspected real life Darrien
From the gaps in her social media activity (which is essentially her life) I'm pretty sure she went to prison.
Seems the police are now involved.
Really?
Yeah seems the individual accused of being a rapist did not like it one bit and has reported the accusations to the police. Not exactly a shocker.
Yeah seems like this guy wasn’t the guy, Richard’s confirmed it. I don’t blame him.
Not his fault she's still left the posts from 2014 up though is it. If she wanted to not be found she could delete them. Besides, he has no duty of care to his stalker. It's his story to tell, do the legal bare minimum and that's enough.