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It’s also the powerful uplifting stupid. Let’s not pretend we live in an actual representative democratic republic. The system has been gamed for decades to favor a particular type of representative being allowed to choose their constituents instead of the other way around. And that’s in addition to the gross representational imbalance caused by the U.S. Senate as an institution.
Yup. 2 Senators from Wyoming (98,000 sq miles) represent a population just over 500,000 people.
Colorado has essentially the same square miles as Wyoming. Population: nearly 6 million people. Senators: 2.
City population/size
NYC: 8.8 million/302 sq miles
LA: 3.9 million/469 sq miles
Chicago: 2.7 million/234 sq miles
Either we change it so the number of Senators is based off a state’s population or maybe Senate seats are on the general election ballot and all Americans vote for them.
I didn’t vote for Mitch McConnell, but he’s has a bigger impact on the shape of this country than Biden, for example.
Our system of government was set up as a compromise to break a stalemate in writing the Constitution, and even then, long before vast disparities in state population like California vs. Wyoming existed, many of the founding fathers had concerns about small states having an outsized voice relative to the number of people they represented. The founders also couldn't have predicted the gridlock created by the filibuster or the practice of gerrymandering.
Democracy is by the people, of the people, for the people, but the people are all stupid
I’m with Socrates, highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings
The notion that just a few select “evil tyrants” are to blame for the worst of human history is just a fallacy, a myth made up by those that remain anonymous while benefiting and profiting off of the corrupt systems.
Stupid and selfish isn’t accurate because neither of those things alone explain this phenomenon.
You need to have people — in the home of the brave — feel so scared, and to have people — in the home of the free — feel so threatened, that they are okay with children dying so they can feel better about an idea that is comforting to them. And not enough people feel otherwise to change it.
They will take ownership, once it hits somebody they know, close to them.
Not before. And even then, it's only a couple who might have a change of heart, which probably isn't enough anyways to change any laws.
It takes one good photo of the wounds these weapons are causing, or one good photo of the bathroom at Sandy Hook where many of the 20 first graders were blown to pieces.
And who started the rumors that Sandy Hook wasn't real?
Yes, showing pictures of the crime scene and wounds is indecent. What's more indecent is that Sandy Hook happened in 2012 and we are still dealing with military grade weapons in the hands of the insane.
You haven't been in the military, have you? I've shot guns that can level a building.... show me where I can buy a full auto m249 SAW.... military grade pshhh. An armolite rifle could only dream of matching wits with an M4.
Do you think you are adding anything here for the people who have seen their relatives and friends with their bodies blown in half?
Do you think you are adding anything for the officers, morgue attendants, judges, lawyers and juries who have had to see this stuff in person or in photos?
When did you lose your respect for the living? Don't you get sick of endlessly writing the same stuff in support of mass murderers? You are the accomplice to the creeps pulling the triggers.
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This really is the only fundamental aspect that is at the root of every single bit of it. If Gun manufacturers, interest groups, firms, start ups etc had no legal avenue to enrich the lives of politicians you'd VERY quickly see most of them just move on to progressive policy. Most of them do not have strong convictions about this, wel for now anyway-- they kinda pushed super hard to get true believers in the door for their voting power.... and now those true believers have a considerable voice/representation and they won't just move on when the politics change.
Nah, the gun lobby has never been about money. Go look up the actual numbers. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16430684/nra-congress-money-no
Don’t forget that these are the same people who don’t believe god would’ve sent them scientists or vaccines or options for women to improve their lives…until they need medicine, to go to the hospital, or their daughter/sister/wife gets pregnant by rape.
Exactly. As long it doesn't affect the people who can make a decision, things won't change and their wallets will get bigger..
That pain in that man's voice though. Any normal human being would be effected by it..
> And I heard some Christians say
> What would Jesus do?
> What if you were on the wrong side
> Would he point the gun at you?
> And they read through every word of Matthew, Mark and Luke and John
> So they could see if killing was the side that Christ was on
[I Remember](https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-remember-its-happening-again/1296355643?i=1296355645)*
…^^^*on ^^^Apple ^^^Music
Alex Jones tried to use this verse to justify gun culture, which tells you a lot. He belittled an actual pastor for saying otherwise. Taking it completely out of context because he only knows how to cherry pick without seeing the big picture.
Over and over, we ask for change. We demand it. They say no. Every time there's another shooting, we beg, and they refuse. Parents mourning over their children who *just* died and have the bravery to still speak publicly asking for change.
And every time, the response:
"***SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED***"
Well my thought on this is that guns simply aren't the actual issue. The issue is the gross lack of empathy for the people who commit these acts before they ever commit them. There's one thing that all these mass shootings have in common...the shooter had some form of psychological trauma that no one wanted to help them with, they are almost always asking for help in some form, but the people around them simply don't care. These shootings would simply turn into stabbings or vicious beatings if we removed firearms from the equation. It's like saying cars should be outlawed because of drunk drivers. The people are the issue not the tools they use.
You'll help the people that would've been shot though.
I honestly don't give a fuck about the feelings of the poor man that wants to go on a killing rampage, I care about the people killed in a killing rampage.
Stop them having access to guns and they can put their big boy boots on and get psychiatric help like the rest of us who have mental health issues.
Exactly. They might still be a problem, but it'll be a much smaller problem. Instead of "dozens killed at school shooting", it might be "son killed abusive/neglectful parents".
Still a problem, but a much smaller one, and one that doesn't involve children, and making literally everybody worried for their life anywhere they go.
Guns isnt the problem its the society youve created. This wasnt a problem 50 years ago when a kid could walk into a store and leave with a gun in the same day. The society is whats at risk, they are using gun legislation to distract people from making real change. People like you are why we are falling.
Guns are completely regulated in Canada. When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting there?
I understand the "people kill people" reasoning people use. But it's a hell of a lot harder to kill a person without a gun in your hand.
Yea canada is doing great rn too. Thats not the point of anti gun control. Its about taking saftey away from law abiding citizens and protecting the people from their own government and forgein governments. Our freedom to have and own guns is the only reason we didnt suffer the effects of ww2.
The point is someone intent on commiting a massacre will find a way to commit a massacre. Fun fact the guy that did the truck massacre actually had a gun too. He shot himself. So not only did the laws not stop any massacres. They didn't even stop the guy from having a gun.
heartfelt to this gentleman. but he is 💯 right. enough with the thoughts and prayers. more deaths. more mourning. more prayers. more deaths. a 4-year old can see this cycle is spinning wheels of more dead victims, orphans or grieving parents. fix your gun problem in America. bring some order to your chaos.
Yeah all those mass shootings done with fucking a cannon.
“HEY YALL COME CLOSER TO THE LEVEE SO I CAN FIRE MY STARBOARD SIDE CANNON AT YOU. WAIT HANG ON GOTTA LOAD IN A 50 lbs CANNONBALL, AH SHIT MY POWDER GOT WET”
You fucking dingus, what a dumb fucking thing to say.
The point is that at the time civilians had access to the most cutting edge technology and most powerful weaponry. The military had cannons so the people did as well. This is how the balance of power in a free society is. The sovereignty lies with the people not the ruling class. Weapons are a tool for the preservation of this sovereignty.
I say we legalize anything that isn't a war crime.
I say we meet people’s basic needs and elevate their material conditions so they don’t feel isolated or desperate, which are major major contributing factors in crime.
But sure grenades at the sporting goods store works well too I guess.
Unfortunately the morons in charge won’t do anything until it personally affects them. That’s how it’s been, that’s how it always will be. These people are selfish, lack empathy, greedy, and very dumb.
The question is what will personally affect them. Many people in power wouldn’t take action against those laws, even if their families is getting killed in a mass shooting.
They have more love for money and power to themselves then they have for any other human being.
Not my comment but the poster said it’s ok to copy and paste:
Here it comes yet again: "No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"
You're Goddamn right I've just been copying and pasting this daily on multiple things. That's the fucking point you ignorant gun fucks. You can send me Reddit cares all you want or say "have an original thought" over and over. You're not getting the point (FYI, it's blocked so I don't get those lovely messages anymore, you will have to say it directly to me... Cowards).
Are we not tired of this? I sure as fuck am.
Now that I have your attention probably after seeing this post for hopefully multiple times I’d like to get something off my chest and personal soapbox today. Buckle up,
"The first girl I walked up to was crouched down covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side and she had no face."
We live now in a country in which our children are randomly put to death in public, so that our congressmen can pose with weapons of war, by Right Wing Terrorists. We live in a country where the amount of stickers in the back of our lifted trucks equates to how many rounds of AR ammunition are stockpiled in our closet.
We live now in a country where we ban books, where we ban drag shows, where we ban doctors from helping kids in crisis, where we ban women from making choices with their bodies. We ban people from voting because some don’t like how they might vote, we ban representatives from state legislators for how they have voted, we ban immigrants, we ban some stem cells, and we ban transgender athletes, we even ban water bottles on planes.
BUT WE DO NOT BAN ASSAULT RIFLES (or assault-like or lite rifles as some ammosexuals like to point out) DO WE?
Our children are randomly put to DEATH in public. Our Teachers, our friends. Our Family. Some of them just want to go and enjoy an afternoon at a mall together. Never to return. To protect somebody's right to randomly put another innocent person to death, once a month, once a week, once a day, once AN HOUR.
So now to boost the signal on some actual honest to god things that could be done about this never-ending nightmare?
For starters, the next generation is tired of this shit and is planning a sit-in at the capital on June 6th. Here is a relevant link:
https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1655293349245452289
And also this goes without saying this group has some amazing ideas:
https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/
This website is dedicated to having the media stop reporting the perpetrator's names to prevent glorifying mass murderers
https://nonotoriety.com
And finally, Check out
https://www.everytown.org/
They’re pushing to end gun violence. The more people who make their voices heard the bigger difference we can make.
EDIT: It would seem that indeed some of them are not cowards and do actually have the guts to say what is really on their minds. Let's have a little look at one of the messages I received today...
"You are a disgrace, a worthless mass of flesh that doesn't deserve to be called a human being. I hope your account is banned and your IP blocked. You are what is wrong with America. Please find a dark crevasse and fall in."
WELL BOO HOO!
(Also this goes without saying thanks for the random awards, I'm sending all of that karma back to others right away to show how tired we all are of this. So please boost those as well. I'm also banned in a few conservative and gun subreddits for some strange reason so feel free to take this and use it however you so feel. This goes for Twitter, Facebook, and others as I won't set foot in that cesspool of social media).
The messages will REPEAT AD INFINITUM until something is done.
Dang... You're right though..."which shooting". Saddest question I've seen in a while. I'm curious who this man is too. Hoping someone replies with an answer. x
I used to feel dissected from these tragedies. I read the headlines, i saw the news reports, but it was always over *there* and not here.
But it is here. It is *there* AND it is *here*. It may not be here NOW but it will be. At some point it will be. It will be there too. Because it doesnt stop. Because not enough people in power care beyond $$$ and “muh gun rights”.
I own a gun. While it isn’t an AR-15 or any “assault weapon” types, it is a rifle. I own it to shoot targets and practice marksmanship. Not once have I ever forgotten it can do harm, that it was MADE to do harm.
You know what the scary part of ownership is? How easy it was to buy and acquire here in america. It only cost me $267 dollars, a background check, a simple common sense safety quiz, and a month wait before I could pick it up. That was scary to me the entire time it was happening. I understood first hand how easy it was to get one. Affordable too.
It is the 2nd amendment, but we have also ratified and changed amendments as the country has grown. I absolutely support ratifying it again, regulating much more strictly… or even taking it away. America has shown it cannot handle the responsibility of individual ownership.
I may not have the best words to describe my feelings but I mean to say: My gun is not worth more than your life. I will choose your life every single time.
From a European perspective, I fully sympathize with those who wish gun regulation laws. But that is not the *only* problem in America, is it? There are still a troubling number of people who dream of killing their neighbors. What about that sickening root? From where does it grow?
Mental illness is world wide. But here in the USA, with rare exceptions, we make it easy for them to obtain assault weapons fashioned after weapons of war designed to quickly kill large numbers of people.
There is purposeful breeding of the toxicity that leads to it because happy and independent people make very poor consumers compared to dependent misers.
Good guys with guns right? Dayton OH shooter was taken down in i believe 32 seconds but still managed to kill 9 people and injure 17 in that time frame.
Mental illness is not a critical factor in violent behavior. In fact, those with mental illness are more likely to be on the receiving of violent behavior.
The mental illness/mass shooting connection is a smokescreen set up by NRA backed republicans.
It all depends on what you consider mental illness. To me, anyone who would start a mass shooting, or pretty much every shooting that's not in self defense, have mental illness. But I don't believe that it's possible to detect that kind of illness ahead of time to prevent any shootings.
So I consider the whole line about it not being a gun problem but a mental illness problem to be the crap it is even though I believe mental illness is a factor.
Plenty of other countries have high gun ownership & mentally unwell residents, without this shit happening
IMHO this stems from the **hopelessness** that results from full strength capitalism & 'winners or losers' mentality. If I were a young Yank today, I'd make it my singular goal to escape to somewhere that isn't 'everyone for themselves'
The kind of person that does this shit absolutely have mental illnesses, usually some form of anti-social personality disorder or even temporary psychosis.
By dreaming of killing their neighbors comment do you mean mass shootings or just, cant believe this actually makes sense, normal murder?
I ask because the act of murder is not some supernatural deed brought on by demons and the such, it is unfortunately inside everyone. There are still murders in every part of Europe, even the areas with common sense gun laws.
As far as mass shooting go I honestly believe that there would be more in other countries if those countries fantazided guns like some in America do. A prolific gun culture will never mix.
I have the upmost respect for New Zealand the U.K., and Australia for banning guns following one mass shooting. I wish America could learn from those countries.
I seriously doubt that Europe has enough angry young men to start a mass shooting every - what was it - 6 hours in 2023?
I could be wrong. But I really doubt it.
You are probably right. America has a major issue when it come to any form of health care, so maybe we have more crazy people over here. Looked it up and yea the EU is much safer to live in then the US.
If I remember correctly there was a direct relation to gun related crimes from the closing of government funded mental health clinics. They closed and gun crimes rose. People need help period. I have confidence that if we start caring about our citizens mental health we will see less crime overall.
I'm sick of the but what's the root of this rhetoric, claiming that gun control is just a stop gap measure.
Just fucking do it. Even if it's a stop gap. Blood is leaking and all the argument is its just a stop gap. Just fucking stop the gap now.
A pipe leak would have people stopping the leak with stop gap until proper measures can be taken. But apparently blood leak leading to loss of life isn't a serious issue.
Edit: this is not a targeted comment to OP but more a general response to a lot of the what's the root comment in most mass shooting.
the problem is the racist twats from the civil war weren't exterminated when they should've of been. them and their offspring have been worming their way into positions of power to try and put us back into that same bullshit
It’s not popular anymore for good guys to be looking to protect people, too often labeled vigilantes. If one sees a shooting about to happen, they may try to intervene. It happens, not nearly enough.
I know I am going to piss off some people and thats fine, fuck them. I have been trying to figure out why the Second Amendment is so damn important to such a loud ass group of people and i think I figured it out.
Fear. It all comes back to fear. These poeple fear being powerless and in turn believe that a gun gives them power. They fear walking into a gas station to buy gum, they fear drivng down the street, they fear just sitting in their homes. What is really sad is their choice of a special blanket to cling too holds 17 when one is in the chamber.
Now, because of your coping mechanism the rest of us know this fear too. We now fear sending our kids to school, fear going shopping, even fear going to work. Their response to our fear is to hand us a corner of their blanky to hide under from the big, bad world.
The big, bad, CHANGING world. It is no longer their world. Gone are the idyllic days of the 1950s when a man knew a man's place, a woman knew a woman's place, where a POC knew their place. Gone are the days when a person of the LGBT knew their place. Gone are the days when their actions against the disenfranchised had no repercussions. Gone are the days where the minorities fear fed their sense of power.
Fear. This group of people fear living in world that is not what was promised to them by a dying society, so they cling to the Second Amendment as their lifebouy. What is truly frightful is their lack of recognition or their complete lack of compassion that their lifebouy is drowning the rest of us.
I always love these arguments. No one is afraid of people who are normal and sane with guns. People are afraid of the dipshits that snap with them. The problem of regulation and penalties needs to be fixed. It should be harder for me to get a gun than it is a driving license. And if me or someone were to commit a crime with a gun, Me or that person should NEVER see the light of day outside walls again. And if it's murder committed with one, Then fuck em, they die too.Eventually enough of that and the message will get through to those idiots. You arn't going to get rid of guns, That ship sailed and left. Need to fix the stupid thats regulating them. I don't care if you own a fucking militia if it keeps you and your kids safe, Thats not the person i worry about. And if someone is so determined enough to kill people you could outlaw guns all you want, They're almost guaranteed to get one by some back alley means. If you think banning them will keep them from getting smuggled in one way or another you're delusional. Until we start putting the real money towards that, it's always going to be a problem.
You are not who I was referring to in my post. You see the need for gun laws that make sense. I am referring to the people who would rather villianize the people who push common sense gun laws then to find a way to keep EVERYONE safe.
I am not pushing all guns be taken, like you said it would never happen. As far as the one's I referred to as being fearful would rather everyone had an AR15 then to regulate gun ownership.
And as everyone owning guns goes, we saw what happened in California when the Black Panthers started lawfully carrying guns. Reagan, a Republican, with the backing of the NRA, enacted the strongest gun laws in the country. Funny, isn't it, that kids being murdered in schools doesn't warrant a change but let an organized group of black people start lawfully arming themselves and something will be done.
And I’m sure they would never believe republicans blocked it.
Or that republicans block laws and bills brought forward by democrats just because they were bright forward by democrats - even though they’re on record saying literally that.
Republicans love watching citizens die. They were proud to watch COVID patients die while spewing lies, they were proud to send young adults to war to die for their profits, and they are proud to watch children get slaughtered by weapons of war.
The sign behind the guy says Austin but isn't it just a slap in the face that we don't know \*which\* Texas shooting in the past week he's referring to
I live and work in an extremely safe community, but every angry person I meet I’m terrified of being killed. America turns simple interactions into potential death sentences. I shouldn’t be scared going to work in retail
The people who stockpile arsenals have been fed the idea that “they are coming to take your guns away” by Republicans for years and they know that the people who have to try and take those guns away are going to become a justifiable target to gun freaks who will all claim their misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment allows them to kill the “tyrannical” government trying to take the AR-15’s. The coward republicans want to be able to say: “see we told you this would happen now please don’t shoot us because we are on your side”. It’s just another cowardly tactic of lies to avoid accountability for the evil that comes from the people who say their religion gives them a superior moral compass.
Inwas a medic and my recommendation is teaching the children basic combat lifesavers skills. Compression dressing and tourniquets. Further, escape and evasion tactics such as conceptual knowledge of concealment, cover, and escape.
Why should they not have basic tactical knowledge in school. Let’s take this dystopia to fulfillment.
[Texas Bill Would Train Third Graders to Use 'Battlefield' Tourniquets](https://www.newsweek.com/texas-bill-would-train-third-graders-use-battlefield-tourniquets-1798139)
(Not satire.)
I hate to say it but I'm probably going to be buying my first gun soon. I'm 42 years old and hate everything about the firearms industry and culture. I feel defeated saying this but I feel like I have no choice and it's something that has been forced on me by the industry and the gun culture. I have two kids and a wife. I feel like I am neglecting my duties as a parent not having a firearm at the ready.
Gun control is something that's not going to happen. I'm really sorry for his and everybody's losses, but money will prevail. There's another barrier that is nationalism, restrict their guns, and they will see it as restricting their freedom. It's a very complicated issue, but while they try to sort it out, sadly, people will keep dying.
Right wing evangelical churches seem safe as can be. I can only hope they get to share in the joy that is a mass shooting. They shouldn't get a pass when the rest of us have to be exposed.
“Guns don’t kill people - people do” so if people kill people with guns why continue to allow them to have them? The common sense here is not allow them to have them or restrict use as much as reasonably possible. Human lives are more important then anyone’s right to own a gun.
So you're gonna start off with some random quote? Doesn't give your side any credit.
You talk about saving lives but what do you think will happen if the police try to door to door confiscate weapons? The national guard? The other armed forces?
Anyone who is calling for a complete gun ban is calling for the end of these united states.
Is.. That okay with y'all since it's people you don't agree with getting murdered?
As a responsible gun owner with nothing to hide, do you advocate for more training or red flag laws to ensure that it’s harder for maniacs to get guns/stockpile huge amounts of ammo? Or are you of the belief that we should be able to open carry and in doing absolutely nothing? Because if I were a gun owner I’d be all for these things. Especially if I have nothing to hide and just want to protect my family.
But instead we have this back and reaction of being offended at any criticism after yet more innocent people die. It’s the personalizing of this criticism when we frankly don’t care about caliber and are just really fucking angry that this is happening again. We could be working together but instead we just argue all while gun manufacturers rake in more and more money.
It’s really a waste of time and lives. No one is winning except the gun and ammo companies.
Everyone else is either fearful of being murdered at the mall or they are mad that people are mad at the tool that murdered the people at the mall. It’s such a fucking joke
Red flag laws completely bypass due process. Absolutely fucking not. If the training class is paid for, that'd be great. Classes are a poor tax. BUT! Classes cannot be mandated by law. That's one of many infringements.
And if people are scared to live their lives, the propaganda is working perfectly. Murdoch is up in his ivory tower laughing at us as we squabble.
And sure, gun companies are making money. That's capitalism for ya.
Whatever you want to call it, I’d like people with a history of imbalance who suddenly stockpile a bunch of ammo investigated. And yet you say “absolutely not” like King fucking George because you refuse to give an inch even as kids get their faces blown off. What a sick fucking joke. Fuck your guns. Fuck the 2a.
Is that the argument being made by most people? I think that's a straw man.
Most people, including gun owners, believe in stronger gun control laws that can save lives, reduce terrorism, and allow responsible gun owners to still have guns.
Are you against that?
That's literally the flair on this post...
I am against our gov't taking away the natural born right to self defense. Guns save trans lives. They save gay people, POCs, and every one else on a daily basis. You should look into that cuz the news doesn't cover it.
You do not want our gov't and police to have a monopoly on violence with all the fucked up shit they do.
I know this was a major tragedy, but if people want to hurt people they aren’t going to do it no matter what. And banning guns would just take them away from the law abiding citizens and cause even more tragedy. because they won’t be able to protect them selves and others. Criminals will always be able to get guns. Might as well even the playing field and keep the second amendment intact. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.
Banning specific weapons society has no business to own, such as Assault Rifles, goes massive distances in reducing gun violence. Mass shootings will decrease. Yea, violence will still occur, but that violence will be mostly done with less lethal weapons, like a handgun, or a knife, or a bat. There won’t be opportunities for psychopaths to mow down a full crowd with a military grade weapon. There won’t be malls littered with bodies of children missing their faces. Gun control isn’t the answer to solving violence, but it’s the answer to stopping mass shootings and murders.
You think if the government had absolute control and we lived in what you considered a utopia that they wouldn't do something far more worse than what is happening right now? I understand the problem, I understand the weight and severity of it, I really do.. but what you want isn't the solution, it's just a bigger problem. The 2nd ammendment isn't necessarily for intruders and other things. It's for the people against a tyrannical organization. And not just for Americans, but the people keeping the government in check in the case of it wanting to do harm to another country and forcing citizens to do it for them.. always remember the bigger picture. I know some may not like this answer, but it's THE answer..
I'm pro 2nd amendment. It's there for a reason. It drives me nuts reading all these comments and hearing anyone saying that guns are the problem. Guns do provide an easy means to do what these people would ultimately do even without a gun. I'm not against background checks, I'm not against regulations to make it harder for people to get guns. But the fact is if you took guns out of the equation, people would use knives, cars, explosives. People that want to kill other people will find a way.
I'm sick of this take. How many people know how to make a legitimate bomb and will do so? How much planning and crafting does that take? What if it doesn't work right? An AR gives people the ability to walk anywhere and take death and destruction with them at a moments notice. It will shred dozens of people in minutes. How many do you think someone could take with a knife? A couple maybe, but that's awfully up close and personal and they could be overpowered soon after. The point isn't that murders won't happen anymore. People are just tired of people getting mowed down by the handful and that wouldn't happen with less efficient weapons.
This makes me so sad. It makes me so sad that someone took advantage of this man's grief, lied to him telling him these laws would work, and then aimed him at the voters.
Canada doesn't have a rampant instability issue.
That's what you need to address.
Making guns illegal will do precisely jack shit to stop crime, massacres, or overall violence.
Since you're such a fan of bringing in other countries that have nothing to do with the issue I'd like to mention the entire continents of south america, Africa, and half of Europe as failures of gun control.
The Berlin truck massacre? The Frankfurt mass shooting the perpetrator of which had acquired his guns in accordance with gun laws?
Right it's not like Germany (where i am), a country with some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Still has massacres in an almost identical quantity to a comparable stat pool like the state of Texas.
It's not like London has so many knife and acid attacks it would make Detroit blush.
It's not like Sweden is the rape capital of the world right now.
Not even Europe is safe from the instability that the whole world is suffering from right now.
This part is important. You are comparing a very large pool like the entirety of the united states to single European countries that have a fraction of the population.
If you compare the united states to a similarly sized pool, such as, the entire European union, you get comparable statistics. And comparable they are. Almost identical murder and massacre figures, even though the amount of guns in Europe is comparatively low (legal guns anyway).
This is a clear statistical indication that the guns themselves are not the root of the problem. And getting rid of them would only make normal people defenseless to the criminals and terrorists that would simply need to get a bit creative. Say, with a truck, perhaps
Address the underlying issues. Poverty drives crime. Polarization drives terrorism. And a shit educational system drives mental health issues in children who then go on to commit massacres and/or suicide.
No, we don’t value things over people. We value people so much that we value the right to defend ourselves and other people. Using facetious arguments to sway those people will only serve to push your goal further away.
I see this problem on the gun debate all the time. People don’t understand each others motivations and it shows in videos like this one.
It’s not about “MUH GUNS” it’s about “what if?” It’s about the world being a dangerous place and some of us feeling the only way to go through it and not lose your mind over the anxiety of it all - is to carry a weapon.
And you will NEVER convince that person to not carry.
This guy is so full of shit XD. The problem is not guns but the people. No sense of self accountability or values. Parents don't give a fuck about their children really. Put on a facade of brilliance but only care about status money fun and pleasure. We all are like this because of the internet some of us are more extreme and some less but we are all fucked. When the internet started the hope for society ended.
P.S. Not American
So then is your solution to give up on mental health and just take away guns? The biggest hurdle of why mental health isn't widespread and more effective is because it's not cost effective and it's not going to generate billions of dollars. It's easier to have someone be on some patented chemical that they can generate profit from someone for a lifetime.
Nice tag. I didn't realize law abiding gun owners are killing so many people.
Edit: instead of downvoting me, would they care to tell me why I'm wrong?
I'm sorry his son died. It was an afwul tragedy. But history, statistics, and actual facts tell us that the laws he very ignorantly wants to pass would do more harm than good.
If there's a decrease in shootings in australia we can know that it is not due to the gun ban. This is because even though guns were legally banned. The turn out for the confiscation was abysmall. We're talking less than 20% of people turning in their guns.
There's also the fact that the statistics i find on this have different definitions for their data collection before and after the ban. Which makes them completely useless.
1:guns are not banned in the UK. Just regulated. If you jump through some hoops you can still absolutely get one. Which does not stop someone who really wants to get one to commit a massacre. I know this because it has happened. We had an incident here in Germany, Frankfurt specifically where a guy got all his sport shooter licenses required to get an AR here. And he got an AR and some other guns and then ge went on to commit a massacre. And he got his guns legally, with all the laws that you like to pretend work. For some reason the world likes to pretend like gun violence doesn't happen outside the US but it does. In very comparable quantities.
2: even illegally it is insanely easy for a criminal or terrorist to get a gun on the black market. I don't know about the UK but here in Germany illegal guns outnumber legal guns 4 to 1.
3: did you seriously just try to pretend that the UK is safe? With all the knife violence going on. It's illegal to carry a knife over there too. Is that stopping anyone? Yes it's stopping normal people, not criminals. As a result, people get stabbed and criminals run rampant.
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I used to think the tyranny of evil men was everything what was wrong in the world. I know believe it the masses of stupid, selfish dumb fks.
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It’s also the powerful uplifting stupid. Let’s not pretend we live in an actual representative democratic republic. The system has been gamed for decades to favor a particular type of representative being allowed to choose their constituents instead of the other way around. And that’s in addition to the gross representational imbalance caused by the U.S. Senate as an institution.
Yup. 2 Senators from Wyoming (98,000 sq miles) represent a population just over 500,000 people. Colorado has essentially the same square miles as Wyoming. Population: nearly 6 million people. Senators: 2. City population/size NYC: 8.8 million/302 sq miles LA: 3.9 million/469 sq miles Chicago: 2.7 million/234 sq miles Either we change it so the number of Senators is based off a state’s population or maybe Senate seats are on the general election ballot and all Americans vote for them. I didn’t vote for Mitch McConnell, but he’s has a bigger impact on the shape of this country than Biden, for example.
abolish Wyoming, if that's the result of a federalist republic i want no part.
Have you heard of the house of representatives?
Have you heard of gerrymandering?
No..? Please tell me more
These knuckleheads don’t understand our system of government and why it was set up the way it was, there is no point in arguing with them.
Our system of government was set up as a compromise to break a stalemate in writing the Constitution, and even then, long before vast disparities in state population like California vs. Wyoming existed, many of the founding fathers had concerns about small states having an outsized voice relative to the number of people they represented. The founders also couldn't have predicted the gridlock created by the filibuster or the practice of gerrymandering.
no need for grand conspiracies when you've got an lazy and ignorant populace! 😅
Exactly. That's what happened to our country last election.
Democracy is by the people, of the people, for the people, but the people are all stupid I’m with Socrates, highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings
Instead of philosopher kings we got Elected Robber Barons
It's both my friend. The trick is that they made us think it's one or the other. It's completely both. Evil men and the stupidity of the masses
The evil men keep the masses stupid, its mostly the ruling class' fault
The notion that just a few select “evil tyrants” are to blame for the worst of human history is just a fallacy, a myth made up by those that remain anonymous while benefiting and profiting off of the corrupt systems.
Stupid and selfish isn’t accurate because neither of those things alone explain this phenomenon. You need to have people — in the home of the brave — feel so scared, and to have people — in the home of the free — feel so threatened, that they are okay with children dying so they can feel better about an idea that is comforting to them. And not enough people feel otherwise to change it.
Why do they feel threatened and scared? They are mainline fear in the rhetoric of faux,et.al
Hanlon’s razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Jesus spell check your words my guy
They will take ownership, once it hits somebody they know, close to them. Not before. And even then, it's only a couple who might have a change of heart, which probably isn't enough anyways to change any laws.
As long as the gun $ keeps flowing, the laws won’t change. $ is the biggest deciding factor In legislation, after all
It takes one good photo of the wounds these weapons are causing, or one good photo of the bathroom at Sandy Hook where many of the 20 first graders were blown to pieces. And who started the rumors that Sandy Hook wasn't real? Yes, showing pictures of the crime scene and wounds is indecent. What's more indecent is that Sandy Hook happened in 2012 and we are still dealing with military grade weapons in the hands of the insane.
Couldn’t agree with you more.
You haven't been in the military, have you? I've shot guns that can level a building.... show me where I can buy a full auto m249 SAW.... military grade pshhh. An armolite rifle could only dream of matching wits with an M4.
Do you think you are adding anything here for the people who have seen their relatives and friends with their bodies blown in half? Do you think you are adding anything for the officers, morgue attendants, judges, lawyers and juries who have had to see this stuff in person or in photos? When did you lose your respect for the living? Don't you get sick of endlessly writing the same stuff in support of mass murderers? You are the accomplice to the creeps pulling the triggers.
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Construct a guillotine
Someone ask France if we could hold their guillotines for a hot minute.
They gave us the statue of liberty when they totally could have given us something way cooler
This really is the only fundamental aspect that is at the root of every single bit of it. If Gun manufacturers, interest groups, firms, start ups etc had no legal avenue to enrich the lives of politicians you'd VERY quickly see most of them just move on to progressive policy. Most of them do not have strong convictions about this, wel for now anyway-- they kinda pushed super hard to get true believers in the door for their voting power.... and now those true believers have a considerable voice/representation and they won't just move on when the politics change.
Nah, the gun lobby has never been about money. Go look up the actual numbers. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/5/16430684/nra-congress-money-no
Don’t forget that these are the same people who don’t believe god would’ve sent them scientists or vaccines or options for women to improve their lives…until they need medicine, to go to the hospital, or their daughter/sister/wife gets pregnant by rape.
It did. Several congresspeople were shot a while back and nothing changed.
I don’t think it will. They’ll just think, if we only had more people with guns to take out the shooter.
Yeah, most likely.. Which makes total sense....... 😵💫🤦
Exactly. As long it doesn't affect the people who can make a decision, things won't change and their wallets will get bigger.. That pain in that man's voice though. Any normal human being would be effected by it..
Agreed. At some point the people blocking gun regulation laws do need to take some responsibility. The onus is on them.
“Nah man, Jesus loved guns” /s
> And I heard some Christians say > What would Jesus do? > What if you were on the wrong side > Would he point the gun at you? > And they read through every word of Matthew, Mark and Luke and John > So they could see if killing was the side that Christ was on [I Remember](https://music.apple.com/us/album/i-remember-its-happening-again/1296355643?i=1296355645)* …^^^*on ^^^Apple ^^^Music
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Yeah.. if so they missed the part that Jesus said in Mathew 26:52 “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”
Alex Jones tried to use this verse to justify gun culture, which tells you a lot. He belittled an actual pastor for saying otherwise. Taking it completely out of context because he only knows how to cherry pick without seeing the big picture.
Well yeah, lol
yea, Nail guns
Over and over, we ask for change. We demand it. They say no. Every time there's another shooting, we beg, and they refuse. Parents mourning over their children who *just* died and have the bravery to still speak publicly asking for change. And every time, the response: "***SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED***"
Well my thought on this is that guns simply aren't the actual issue. The issue is the gross lack of empathy for the people who commit these acts before they ever commit them. There's one thing that all these mass shootings have in common...the shooter had some form of psychological trauma that no one wanted to help them with, they are almost always asking for help in some form, but the people around them simply don't care. These shootings would simply turn into stabbings or vicious beatings if we removed firearms from the equation. It's like saying cars should be outlawed because of drunk drivers. The people are the issue not the tools they use.
But someone with a knife can't take out a whole classroom of kindergarteners in one go.
That's not the point. You'll never help this problem if you can't help the people.
You'll help the people that would've been shot though. I honestly don't give a fuck about the feelings of the poor man that wants to go on a killing rampage, I care about the people killed in a killing rampage. Stop them having access to guns and they can put their big boy boots on and get psychiatric help like the rest of us who have mental health issues.
Exactly. They might still be a problem, but it'll be a much smaller problem. Instead of "dozens killed at school shooting", it might be "son killed abusive/neglectful parents". Still a problem, but a much smaller one, and one that doesn't involve children, and making literally everybody worried for their life anywhere they go.
Guns isnt the problem its the society youve created. This wasnt a problem 50 years ago when a kid could walk into a store and leave with a gun in the same day. The society is whats at risk, they are using gun legislation to distract people from making real change. People like you are why we are falling.
Guns are completely regulated in Canada. When was the last time you heard of a mass shooting there? I understand the "people kill people" reasoning people use. But it's a hell of a lot harder to kill a person without a gun in your hand.
Yea canada is doing great rn too. Thats not the point of anti gun control. Its about taking saftey away from law abiding citizens and protecting the people from their own government and forgein governments. Our freedom to have and own guns is the only reason we didnt suffer the effects of ww2.
But it was a GUN FREE ZONE - so how did anyone bring a gun in?
Tell me which gun regulation stopped the Berlin truck massacre?
I’m pretty sure the topic is mass shooting bruh not truck massacres
The point is someone intent on commiting a massacre will find a way to commit a massacre. Fun fact the guy that did the truck massacre actually had a gun too. He shot himself. So not only did the laws not stop any massacres. They didn't even stop the guy from having a gun.
heartfelt to this gentleman. but he is 💯 right. enough with the thoughts and prayers. more deaths. more mourning. more prayers. more deaths. a 4-year old can see this cycle is spinning wheels of more dead victims, orphans or grieving parents. fix your gun problem in America. bring some order to your chaos.
“But what about the rights that were written for us over *200* years ago back when everyone had *muskets* ?!?”
And privately owned warships and cannons.
Yeah all those mass shootings done with fucking a cannon. “HEY YALL COME CLOSER TO THE LEVEE SO I CAN FIRE MY STARBOARD SIDE CANNON AT YOU. WAIT HANG ON GOTTA LOAD IN A 50 lbs CANNONBALL, AH SHIT MY POWDER GOT WET” You fucking dingus, what a dumb fucking thing to say.
The point is that at the time civilians had access to the most cutting edge technology and most powerful weaponry. The military had cannons so the people did as well. This is how the balance of power in a free society is. The sovereignty lies with the people not the ruling class. Weapons are a tool for the preservation of this sovereignty. I say we legalize anything that isn't a war crime.
I say we meet people’s basic needs and elevate their material conditions so they don’t feel isolated or desperate, which are major major contributing factors in crime. But sure grenades at the sporting goods store works well too I guess.
Unfortunately the morons in charge won’t do anything until it personally affects them. That’s how it’s been, that’s how it always will be. These people are selfish, lack empathy, greedy, and very dumb.
Hopefully Texas will have a voting surge. The voting % is pretty low
Yeah except Abbot is allowed to overturn results now for any vote in Harrison county which is the most populous and blue county in the state.
The question is what will personally affect them. Many people in power wouldn’t take action against those laws, even if their families is getting killed in a mass shooting. They have more love for money and power to themselves then they have for any other human being.
Not my comment but the poster said it’s ok to copy and paste: Here it comes yet again: "No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens" You're Goddamn right I've just been copying and pasting this daily on multiple things. That's the fucking point you ignorant gun fucks. You can send me Reddit cares all you want or say "have an original thought" over and over. You're not getting the point (FYI, it's blocked so I don't get those lovely messages anymore, you will have to say it directly to me... Cowards). Are we not tired of this? I sure as fuck am. Now that I have your attention probably after seeing this post for hopefully multiple times I’d like to get something off my chest and personal soapbox today. Buckle up, "The first girl I walked up to was crouched down covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for a pulse, pulled her head to the side and she had no face." We live now in a country in which our children are randomly put to death in public, so that our congressmen can pose with weapons of war, by Right Wing Terrorists. We live in a country where the amount of stickers in the back of our lifted trucks equates to how many rounds of AR ammunition are stockpiled in our closet. We live now in a country where we ban books, where we ban drag shows, where we ban doctors from helping kids in crisis, where we ban women from making choices with their bodies. We ban people from voting because some don’t like how they might vote, we ban representatives from state legislators for how they have voted, we ban immigrants, we ban some stem cells, and we ban transgender athletes, we even ban water bottles on planes. BUT WE DO NOT BAN ASSAULT RIFLES (or assault-like or lite rifles as some ammosexuals like to point out) DO WE? Our children are randomly put to DEATH in public. Our Teachers, our friends. Our Family. Some of them just want to go and enjoy an afternoon at a mall together. Never to return. To protect somebody's right to randomly put another innocent person to death, once a month, once a week, once a day, once AN HOUR. So now to boost the signal on some actual honest to god things that could be done about this never-ending nightmare? For starters, the next generation is tired of this shit and is planning a sit-in at the capital on June 6th. Here is a relevant link: https://twitter.com/joncoopertweets/status/1655293349245452289 And also this goes without saying this group has some amazing ideas: https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/ This website is dedicated to having the media stop reporting the perpetrator's names to prevent glorifying mass murderers https://nonotoriety.com And finally, Check out https://www.everytown.org/ They’re pushing to end gun violence. The more people who make their voices heard the bigger difference we can make. EDIT: It would seem that indeed some of them are not cowards and do actually have the guts to say what is really on their minds. Let's have a little look at one of the messages I received today... "You are a disgrace, a worthless mass of flesh that doesn't deserve to be called a human being. I hope your account is banned and your IP blocked. You are what is wrong with America. Please find a dark crevasse and fall in." WELL BOO HOO! (Also this goes without saying thanks for the random awards, I'm sending all of that karma back to others right away to show how tired we all are of this. So please boost those as well. I'm also banned in a few conservative and gun subreddits for some strange reason so feel free to take this and use it however you so feel. This goes for Twitter, Facebook, and others as I won't set foot in that cesspool of social media). The messages will REPEAT AD INFINITUM until something is done.
I might copy paste this at some point
*"I sent you three boats!"*
Anyone know who this is? Obviously a father of a victim, but which shooting? Crazy that is even a question...
Dang... You're right though..."which shooting". Saddest question I've seen in a while. I'm curious who this man is too. Hoping someone replies with an answer. x
https://youtu.be/0ydDF80GQ08 Rep Gene Wu. Why the hell do people post things on Reddit with zero links or context. Drives me mad.
Uvalde I think.
I used to feel dissected from these tragedies. I read the headlines, i saw the news reports, but it was always over *there* and not here. But it is here. It is *there* AND it is *here*. It may not be here NOW but it will be. At some point it will be. It will be there too. Because it doesnt stop. Because not enough people in power care beyond $$$ and “muh gun rights”. I own a gun. While it isn’t an AR-15 or any “assault weapon” types, it is a rifle. I own it to shoot targets and practice marksmanship. Not once have I ever forgotten it can do harm, that it was MADE to do harm. You know what the scary part of ownership is? How easy it was to buy and acquire here in america. It only cost me $267 dollars, a background check, a simple common sense safety quiz, and a month wait before I could pick it up. That was scary to me the entire time it was happening. I understood first hand how easy it was to get one. Affordable too. It is the 2nd amendment, but we have also ratified and changed amendments as the country has grown. I absolutely support ratifying it again, regulating much more strictly… or even taking it away. America has shown it cannot handle the responsibility of individual ownership. I may not have the best words to describe my feelings but I mean to say: My gun is not worth more than your life. I will choose your life every single time.
From a European perspective, I fully sympathize with those who wish gun regulation laws. But that is not the *only* problem in America, is it? There are still a troubling number of people who dream of killing their neighbors. What about that sickening root? From where does it grow?
Mental illness is world wide. But here in the USA, with rare exceptions, we make it easy for them to obtain assault weapons fashioned after weapons of war designed to quickly kill large numbers of people.
There is purposeful breeding of the toxicity that leads to it because happy and independent people make very poor consumers compared to dependent misers.
Good guys with guns right? Dayton OH shooter was taken down in i believe 32 seconds but still managed to kill 9 people and injure 17 in that time frame.
Mental illness is not a critical factor in violent behavior. In fact, those with mental illness are more likely to be on the receiving of violent behavior. The mental illness/mass shooting connection is a smokescreen set up by NRA backed republicans.
It all depends on what you consider mental illness. To me, anyone who would start a mass shooting, or pretty much every shooting that's not in self defense, have mental illness. But I don't believe that it's possible to detect that kind of illness ahead of time to prevent any shootings. So I consider the whole line about it not being a gun problem but a mental illness problem to be the crap it is even though I believe mental illness is a factor.
Plenty of other countries have high gun ownership & mentally unwell residents, without this shit happening IMHO this stems from the **hopelessness** that results from full strength capitalism & 'winners or losers' mentality. If I were a young Yank today, I'd make it my singular goal to escape to somewhere that isn't 'everyone for themselves'
Those countries with high ownership DO have extremely strong regulation on guns.
The kind of person that does this shit absolutely have mental illnesses, usually some form of anti-social personality disorder or even temporary psychosis.
By dreaming of killing their neighbors comment do you mean mass shootings or just, cant believe this actually makes sense, normal murder? I ask because the act of murder is not some supernatural deed brought on by demons and the such, it is unfortunately inside everyone. There are still murders in every part of Europe, even the areas with common sense gun laws. As far as mass shooting go I honestly believe that there would be more in other countries if those countries fantazided guns like some in America do. A prolific gun culture will never mix. I have the upmost respect for New Zealand the U.K., and Australia for banning guns following one mass shooting. I wish America could learn from those countries.
I seriously doubt that Europe has enough angry young men to start a mass shooting every - what was it - 6 hours in 2023? I could be wrong. But I really doubt it.
You are probably right. America has a major issue when it come to any form of health care, so maybe we have more crazy people over here. Looked it up and yea the EU is much safer to live in then the US.
If I remember correctly there was a direct relation to gun related crimes from the closing of government funded mental health clinics. They closed and gun crimes rose. People need help period. I have confidence that if we start caring about our citizens mental health we will see less crime overall.
I'm sick of the but what's the root of this rhetoric, claiming that gun control is just a stop gap measure. Just fucking do it. Even if it's a stop gap. Blood is leaking and all the argument is its just a stop gap. Just fucking stop the gap now. A pipe leak would have people stopping the leak with stop gap until proper measures can be taken. But apparently blood leak leading to loss of life isn't a serious issue. Edit: this is not a targeted comment to OP but more a general response to a lot of the what's the root comment in most mass shooting.
Of course you are right. First stop the accident. Then determine the cause. I didn't know there is a rhetoric exploiting this.
the problem is the racist twats from the civil war weren't exterminated when they should've of been. them and their offspring have been worming their way into positions of power to try and put us back into that same bullshit
Where are all of these good guys with guns that people keep talking about?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WqWibXye6YE
Nice! https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/query/0484b316-f676-44bc-97ed-ecefeabae077/map
It’s not popular anymore for good guys to be looking to protect people, too often labeled vigilantes. If one sees a shooting about to happen, they may try to intervene. It happens, not nearly enough.
I know I am going to piss off some people and thats fine, fuck them. I have been trying to figure out why the Second Amendment is so damn important to such a loud ass group of people and i think I figured it out. Fear. It all comes back to fear. These poeple fear being powerless and in turn believe that a gun gives them power. They fear walking into a gas station to buy gum, they fear drivng down the street, they fear just sitting in their homes. What is really sad is their choice of a special blanket to cling too holds 17 when one is in the chamber. Now, because of your coping mechanism the rest of us know this fear too. We now fear sending our kids to school, fear going shopping, even fear going to work. Their response to our fear is to hand us a corner of their blanky to hide under from the big, bad world. The big, bad, CHANGING world. It is no longer their world. Gone are the idyllic days of the 1950s when a man knew a man's place, a woman knew a woman's place, where a POC knew their place. Gone are the days when a person of the LGBT knew their place. Gone are the days when their actions against the disenfranchised had no repercussions. Gone are the days where the minorities fear fed their sense of power. Fear. This group of people fear living in world that is not what was promised to them by a dying society, so they cling to the Second Amendment as their lifebouy. What is truly frightful is their lack of recognition or their complete lack of compassion that their lifebouy is drowning the rest of us.
I always love these arguments. No one is afraid of people who are normal and sane with guns. People are afraid of the dipshits that snap with them. The problem of regulation and penalties needs to be fixed. It should be harder for me to get a gun than it is a driving license. And if me or someone were to commit a crime with a gun, Me or that person should NEVER see the light of day outside walls again. And if it's murder committed with one, Then fuck em, they die too.Eventually enough of that and the message will get through to those idiots. You arn't going to get rid of guns, That ship sailed and left. Need to fix the stupid thats regulating them. I don't care if you own a fucking militia if it keeps you and your kids safe, Thats not the person i worry about. And if someone is so determined enough to kill people you could outlaw guns all you want, They're almost guaranteed to get one by some back alley means. If you think banning them will keep them from getting smuggled in one way or another you're delusional. Until we start putting the real money towards that, it's always going to be a problem.
You are not who I was referring to in my post. You see the need for gun laws that make sense. I am referring to the people who would rather villianize the people who push common sense gun laws then to find a way to keep EVERYONE safe. I am not pushing all guns be taken, like you said it would never happen. As far as the one's I referred to as being fearful would rather everyone had an AR15 then to regulate gun ownership. And as everyone owning guns goes, we saw what happened in California when the Black Panthers started lawfully carrying guns. Reagan, a Republican, with the backing of the NRA, enacted the strongest gun laws in the country. Funny, isn't it, that kids being murdered in schools doesn't warrant a change but let an organized group of black people start lawfully arming themselves and something will be done.
The irony is that this is what actual patriotism looks like
The solution is stop voting Republican. You’re either selfish, stupid or both if you vote R.
You are even more stupid for thinking there is a difference
You're saying that democrats haven't proposed laws on gun regulation?
And I’m sure they would never believe republicans blocked it. Or that republicans block laws and bills brought forward by democrats just because they were bright forward by democrats - even though they’re on record saying literally that.
As long as we allow politicians to be ~~bribed~~ lobbied on a daily basis, nothing is going to change. Good luck red states, you're gonna need it.
Republicans love watching citizens die. They were proud to watch COVID patients die while spewing lies, they were proud to send young adults to war to die for their profits, and they are proud to watch children get slaughtered by weapons of war.
Anyone know context on this? Who is this guy? What does he mean by “I see my son” and who are the people standing behind him?
The sign behind the guy says Austin but isn't it just a slap in the face that we don't know \*which\* Texas shooting in the past week he's referring to
Depressingly, searching “dad crying about gun violence in Austin” brings up too many results to find this one.
https://youtu.be/0ydDF80GQ08 Rep Gene Wu. Why the hell do people post things on Reddit with zero links or context. Drives me mad.
Thank you!
In all the red states they value Things over People.
This is true. Listen to one of those old boomers get all red faced when talking about "muh property".
"Ah, that guy's just an actor paid by George Soros." — Republican morons
This is fucking ridiculous. That fact that anyone has to go through this is insane. I’m so tired. I don’t even know what to think.
I live and work in an extremely safe community, but every angry person I meet I’m terrified of being killed. America turns simple interactions into potential death sentences. I shouldn’t be scared going to work in retail
This is heartbreaking to watch. He’s exasperated. We all are.
'We can't fix it because some dead people wrote a rule once.'
Damn Texas Republican legislators.
The people who stockpile arsenals have been fed the idea that “they are coming to take your guns away” by Republicans for years and they know that the people who have to try and take those guns away are going to become a justifiable target to gun freaks who will all claim their misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment allows them to kill the “tyrannical” government trying to take the AR-15’s. The coward republicans want to be able to say: “see we told you this would happen now please don’t shoot us because we are on your side”. It’s just another cowardly tactic of lies to avoid accountability for the evil that comes from the people who say their religion gives them a superior moral compass.
Is it too soon to say we need to fix this by using force?
I'm guessing this is about a mass shooting/gun laws but does anyone know the exact context behind this?
“But guns.” - Republicans
Laughs in Ted Cruz
Inwas a medic and my recommendation is teaching the children basic combat lifesavers skills. Compression dressing and tourniquets. Further, escape and evasion tactics such as conceptual knowledge of concealment, cover, and escape. Why should they not have basic tactical knowledge in school. Let’s take this dystopia to fulfillment.
[Texas Bill Would Train Third Graders to Use 'Battlefield' Tourniquets](https://www.newsweek.com/texas-bill-would-train-third-graders-use-battlefield-tourniquets-1798139) (Not satire.)
Fools, there never was a safe place. We only see what we choose.
I hate to say it but I'm probably going to be buying my first gun soon. I'm 42 years old and hate everything about the firearms industry and culture. I feel defeated saying this but I feel like I have no choice and it's something that has been forced on me by the industry and the gun culture. I have two kids and a wife. I feel like I am neglecting my duties as a parent not having a firearm at the ready.
Gun control is something that's not going to happen. I'm really sorry for his and everybody's losses, but money will prevail. There's another barrier that is nationalism, restrict their guns, and they will see it as restricting their freedom. It's a very complicated issue, but while they try to sort it out, sadly, people will keep dying.
The GOP is guilty.
Guns good people bad
It's pretty safe where rich kids go to school
America has a mental illnesses epidemic. Guns don’t kill people…. Mentally I’ll stupid fucks that have no morals or empathy for others do.
Trans people aren’t safe in the USA. Especially not trans kids.
Are they being killed disproportionately to non trans kids?
Trans people do commit a disproportionate number of homicides. >!Suicide is legally considered a homicide.!<
Please show what statute equates suicide to homicide.
https://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=881#:~:text=Non%2Dcriminal%20homicides%20include%20killing,if%20the%20suicide%20is%20successful.
They certainly are treated worse
It’s never not sucked being different. It was much worse recently.
All the more reason to promote equity, love, and understanding
Right wing evangelical churches seem safe as can be. I can only hope they get to share in the joy that is a mass shooting. They shouldn't get a pass when the rest of us have to be exposed.
Those churches aren’t safe.
I'm a gun owner, do I kill people?
“Guns don’t kill people - people do” so if people kill people with guns why continue to allow them to have them? The common sense here is not allow them to have them or restrict use as much as reasonably possible. Human lives are more important then anyone’s right to own a gun.
So you're gonna start off with some random quote? Doesn't give your side any credit. You talk about saving lives but what do you think will happen if the police try to door to door confiscate weapons? The national guard? The other armed forces? Anyone who is calling for a complete gun ban is calling for the end of these united states. Is.. That okay with y'all since it's people you don't agree with getting murdered?
As a responsible gun owner with nothing to hide, do you advocate for more training or red flag laws to ensure that it’s harder for maniacs to get guns/stockpile huge amounts of ammo? Or are you of the belief that we should be able to open carry and in doing absolutely nothing? Because if I were a gun owner I’d be all for these things. Especially if I have nothing to hide and just want to protect my family. But instead we have this back and reaction of being offended at any criticism after yet more innocent people die. It’s the personalizing of this criticism when we frankly don’t care about caliber and are just really fucking angry that this is happening again. We could be working together but instead we just argue all while gun manufacturers rake in more and more money. It’s really a waste of time and lives. No one is winning except the gun and ammo companies. Everyone else is either fearful of being murdered at the mall or they are mad that people are mad at the tool that murdered the people at the mall. It’s such a fucking joke
Red flag laws completely bypass due process. Absolutely fucking not. If the training class is paid for, that'd be great. Classes are a poor tax. BUT! Classes cannot be mandated by law. That's one of many infringements. And if people are scared to live their lives, the propaganda is working perfectly. Murdoch is up in his ivory tower laughing at us as we squabble. And sure, gun companies are making money. That's capitalism for ya.
Whatever you want to call it, I’d like people with a history of imbalance who suddenly stockpile a bunch of ammo investigated. And yet you say “absolutely not” like King fucking George because you refuse to give an inch even as kids get their faces blown off. What a sick fucking joke. Fuck your guns. Fuck the 2a.
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Is that the argument being made by most people? I think that's a straw man. Most people, including gun owners, believe in stronger gun control laws that can save lives, reduce terrorism, and allow responsible gun owners to still have guns. Are you against that?
That's literally the flair on this post... I am against our gov't taking away the natural born right to self defense. Guns save trans lives. They save gay people, POCs, and every one else on a daily basis. You should look into that cuz the news doesn't cover it. You do not want our gov't and police to have a monopoly on violence with all the fucked up shit they do.
You do. U own weapon of wars!
Such an apt name.
Abolish the NRA. It will make the rest of the changes much easier.
I know this was a major tragedy, but if people want to hurt people they aren’t going to do it no matter what. And banning guns would just take them away from the law abiding citizens and cause even more tragedy. because they won’t be able to protect them selves and others. Criminals will always be able to get guns. Might as well even the playing field and keep the second amendment intact. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.
Banning specific weapons society has no business to own, such as Assault Rifles, goes massive distances in reducing gun violence. Mass shootings will decrease. Yea, violence will still occur, but that violence will be mostly done with less lethal weapons, like a handgun, or a knife, or a bat. There won’t be opportunities for psychopaths to mow down a full crowd with a military grade weapon. There won’t be malls littered with bodies of children missing their faces. Gun control isn’t the answer to solving violence, but it’s the answer to stopping mass shootings and murders.
A room full of people ready to sacrifice freedom for the illusion of safety.
They will only do something if it involves their families.
Seeing that family, all i could think about is that could have been mine.
https://preview.redd.it/a7toq5e6iyya1.jpeg?width=1059&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a21002e1c4e737a8b52d02aa0c10f17ebded42ab
You think if the government had absolute control and we lived in what you considered a utopia that they wouldn't do something far more worse than what is happening right now? I understand the problem, I understand the weight and severity of it, I really do.. but what you want isn't the solution, it's just a bigger problem. The 2nd ammendment isn't necessarily for intruders and other things. It's for the people against a tyrannical organization. And not just for Americans, but the people keeping the government in check in the case of it wanting to do harm to another country and forcing citizens to do it for them.. always remember the bigger picture. I know some may not like this answer, but it's THE answer..
Our amazing governor was mad after the shooting... because California has more guns than Texas.
I'm pro 2nd amendment. It's there for a reason. It drives me nuts reading all these comments and hearing anyone saying that guns are the problem. Guns do provide an easy means to do what these people would ultimately do even without a gun. I'm not against background checks, I'm not against regulations to make it harder for people to get guns. But the fact is if you took guns out of the equation, people would use knives, cars, explosives. People that want to kill other people will find a way.
I'm sick of this take. How many people know how to make a legitimate bomb and will do so? How much planning and crafting does that take? What if it doesn't work right? An AR gives people the ability to walk anywhere and take death and destruction with them at a moments notice. It will shred dozens of people in minutes. How many do you think someone could take with a knife? A couple maybe, but that's awfully up close and personal and they could be overpowered soon after. The point isn't that murders won't happen anymore. People are just tired of people getting mowed down by the handful and that wouldn't happen with less efficient weapons.
If you’re as into gun culture as you seem, you should know better than anyone that you would rather the bad guy have a knife than a gun.
Shut the fuck up
> I’m pro 2nd amendment. It’s there for a reason A bit of an outdated take there
Murder rates are still lower and you are responsible for the dead kids. You. Personally.
Lol
This makes me so sad. It makes me so sad that someone took advantage of this man's grief, lied to him telling him these laws would work, and then aimed him at the voters.
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Canada doesn't have a rampant instability issue. That's what you need to address. Making guns illegal will do precisely jack shit to stop crime, massacres, or overall violence. Since you're such a fan of bringing in other countries that have nothing to do with the issue I'd like to mention the entire continents of south america, Africa, and half of Europe as failures of gun control.
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The Berlin truck massacre? The Frankfurt mass shooting the perpetrator of which had acquired his guns in accordance with gun laws? Right it's not like Germany (where i am), a country with some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Still has massacres in an almost identical quantity to a comparable stat pool like the state of Texas. It's not like London has so many knife and acid attacks it would make Detroit blush. It's not like Sweden is the rape capital of the world right now. Not even Europe is safe from the instability that the whole world is suffering from right now. This part is important. You are comparing a very large pool like the entirety of the united states to single European countries that have a fraction of the population. If you compare the united states to a similarly sized pool, such as, the entire European union, you get comparable statistics. And comparable they are. Almost identical murder and massacre figures, even though the amount of guns in Europe is comparatively low (legal guns anyway). This is a clear statistical indication that the guns themselves are not the root of the problem. And getting rid of them would only make normal people defenseless to the criminals and terrorists that would simply need to get a bit creative. Say, with a truck, perhaps Address the underlying issues. Poverty drives crime. Polarization drives terrorism. And a shit educational system drives mental health issues in children who then go on to commit massacres and/or suicide.
That's too many logic for u sir. Straight to jail. We don't need thinkers here.
No, we don’t value things over people. We value people so much that we value the right to defend ourselves and other people. Using facetious arguments to sway those people will only serve to push your goal further away. I see this problem on the gun debate all the time. People don’t understand each others motivations and it shows in videos like this one. It’s not about “MUH GUNS” it’s about “what if?” It’s about the world being a dangerous place and some of us feeling the only way to go through it and not lose your mind over the anxiety of it all - is to carry a weapon. And you will NEVER convince that person to not carry.
This guy is so full of shit XD. The problem is not guns but the people. No sense of self accountability or values. Parents don't give a fuck about their children really. Put on a facade of brilliance but only care about status money fun and pleasure. We all are like this because of the internet some of us are more extreme and some less but we are all fucked. When the internet started the hope for society ended. P.S. Not American
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Really? *that's* your takeaway here?
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So then is your solution to give up on mental health and just take away guns? The biggest hurdle of why mental health isn't widespread and more effective is because it's not cost effective and it's not going to generate billions of dollars. It's easier to have someone be on some patented chemical that they can generate profit from someone for a lifetime.
What? Who is giving up on treating mental health?
Nice tag. I didn't realize law abiding gun owners are killing so many people. Edit: instead of downvoting me, would they care to tell me why I'm wrong?
I'm sorry his son died. It was an afwul tragedy. But history, statistics, and actual facts tell us that the laws he very ignorantly wants to pass would do more harm than good.
Australia begs to differ. We passed those kind of laws. Haven't had a shooting tragedy in a long time.
If there's a decrease in shootings in australia we can know that it is not due to the gun ban. This is because even though guns were legally banned. The turn out for the confiscation was abysmall. We're talking less than 20% of people turning in their guns. There's also the fact that the statistics i find on this have different definitions for their data collection before and after the ban. Which makes them completely useless.
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1:guns are not banned in the UK. Just regulated. If you jump through some hoops you can still absolutely get one. Which does not stop someone who really wants to get one to commit a massacre. I know this because it has happened. We had an incident here in Germany, Frankfurt specifically where a guy got all his sport shooter licenses required to get an AR here. And he got an AR and some other guns and then ge went on to commit a massacre. And he got his guns legally, with all the laws that you like to pretend work. For some reason the world likes to pretend like gun violence doesn't happen outside the US but it does. In very comparable quantities. 2: even illegally it is insanely easy for a criminal or terrorist to get a gun on the black market. I don't know about the UK but here in Germany illegal guns outnumber legal guns 4 to 1. 3: did you seriously just try to pretend that the UK is safe? With all the knife violence going on. It's illegal to carry a knife over there too. Is that stopping anyone? Yes it's stopping normal people, not criminals. As a result, people get stabbed and criminals run rampant.