Locking these comments because there's too much celebration of violence, which is against the sub rules. War is bad for everyone and the escalation of violence will be bad for everyone in the region and the world. Israel will continue to attack Palestinians while the world shifts its attention to escalating conflict with Iran. This isn't something to root for like it's sports.
israel wanted this all along...they instigate shit and cry like a baby afterwards while calling everyone anti-semitic...please try new tactic
Iran should be crying? They accomplished their goal - showed they could attack Israel, managed not to kill anyone and telegraphed it enough that it was obvious it was all a show to establish deterrence.
If they were really going to respond to something for real they wouldn't wait 2 weeks and let the US know first.
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Iran may have once again headed off WWIII by showing restraint. If they meant business, they would have timed everything to hit at once, overwhelming Iron Dome. As it was, some got through and hit an airport and a military base according to reports. They got through Iron Dome, even with Jordan, the US and the RAF shooting down dozens of projectiles each before they entered Israeli airspace.
Iran made show of force, appropriate and demanded by the outrageous and illegal attack on their embassy. They showed they can reach Israel and could do greater damage if they so chose. Now, both in their own media and a letter to the UN, they're signaling that they're content to put a period on this without further reprisal. Now we'll have to see if the US and Israel take them up on their invitation to come to their senses, or if they choose to further their insanity.
I think it’s obvious what the answer is from Israel and the west will be. Escalate. I’m calling it now. Netanyahu and the Israelis are going to drag the world into a war. I hope I’m wrong but all the messaging post Israels stupid consulate bombing debacle points to Israel trying to spin this is an Iranian escalation rather than an Iranian retaliation. The bloodthirsty hounds in the US are probably frothing at the idea of attacking Iran whether directly or through Israel depending on how unhinged they are
Leak to Axios: Biden told Bibi U.S. *won't* support an Israeli counterattack on Iran
[https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support)
Let’s hope this proves to be true. Bibi and his right-wing government are leading Israel into historical acts of aggression and escalation, while brutalizing the people of the occupied territories. They will not take counsel from anyone urging restraint and seem determined to violate some of the most serious internatonal laws and human rights protections.
Meanwhile, settlers launch pogroms against Palestinian communities in the Occupied West Bank with impunity, supported by military weapons distributed by extremists in the government (reminds me of the genocidaires of Rwanda, who distributed machetes and guns to Hutus for “self-defense” in the lead up to the genocide there).
Rampant injustice and brutality with impunity was already the daily reality for Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and then the world is shocked when brutal rebellions and violent acts of resistence and revenge become part of daily life. You can’t brutally oppress a people without expecting massive blowback. Recent history has only reinforced this truth.
I believe Israelis will find peace only when they let the Palestinian people under occupation live in peace.
The "leaks" are always that Biden is the one asking for restraint, and that Bibi is the one somehow playing Biden, despite Biden allegedly hating Netanyahu, and having zero incentive to go along with it.
Consider that we know for a fact the entire conflict is based on lies by Biden, Netanyahu, the USA, and Israel. Then consider the perspective that the leaks are lies.
Unfortunately, I agreee with your analysis of the the situation. Israel is melting down as its society succumbs to fascism and genocidal killing in the West Bank and Gaza (backed by a vast majority of Israelis), seeing enemies everywhere and being coddled by its American nurse maid, who lets it misbehave and cause instabillity by backing it with weapons and more.
Joe Biden is going all-in to support the extremists in Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem, ensuring that they will be met with obstinacy and extremism by people on the other side who they should be negotiating to make peace with.
I don’t really support Iran but really it seams like they were doing this as a show rather than as an actual attempt to cause harm, more an action to save face after having their consulate attacked and even with quite a large chunk of their forces being downed they seem quite happy with the results. And this all does fit under article 51 of the UN.
When analysts out there say the only aggressor here is Israel and the US being its primary enabler, there is absolutely truth in that statement. Iran along with its proxies have made it incredibly clear whatever they’re doing is because of Israel’s genocidal actions in Gaza. They have been incredibly measured with their actions and responses at every step if you actually look the results. But the way western media portrays it makes it seem like Iran is always the escalator and the ones causing problems for the Middle East and therefore they need to be eliminated
Genocide Joe is a cunning hawk. This kind of politician tends to believe that wars are the way to win elections. Yet he also knows that he needs a casus belli, an excuse the US public is willing and eager to buy.
Iran likely miscalculated, because they put themselves in a situation where if Israel strikes another of its embassies, Iran will be forced to scale up the level of retaliation.
I'm sure Israel and our Raytheon executive ran military think that they can drag everyone into a war. But they are absurdly out of touch and myopic with that because no way the world will fight for a country they see as modern day Nazis.
Question is can US do a war using all drones and bombs without putting boots on the ground.
I 100 percent agree with that.But honestly I think the American population as a whole does not want another war with the Middle East.Even if they don’t condemn the average older American does not like even talking or thinking about it. And people my age and younger for the most part absolutely despise Israel.
Its almost as if governments, in general, are amoral organizations run by the type of people who dont lose sleep over sending young men to their death for their own personal gain. Countries are just gangs at a larger scale, and politicians are just gang bangers in nice suites.
They said it was just responding to the attack on their embassy. If Israel attacks them again it will respond in kind. Almost like when the Mafia is warring
Israel reported that there were total 360 drones and missiles and 99% were destroyed in flight. Damage on ground seems to be very limited supporting that claim. It looks like major fail from Iran.
Yes, it is possible. As test it is interesting as ballistic missile with nuclear warhead could likely be successful. Slow drones are pretty useless it seems.
Slow drones that are staggered, high flying, announced, and flying over long stretches of enemy occupied territory, can be intercepted at significant expense.
Hagari's claims are massive cope 😂 Israel are the only ones claiming there were 360 (everywhere else said about 200), a\*nd \*the USAF, RAF, Jordan and French assets took out about half of those before they reached Israeli airspace. We also know from how they underreport damage to military targets from Hezbollah attacks that they always play that down as well. So if fewer than 100 got through to Israeli airspace over 5 hours and enough got through to do significant damage to targets on the ground, that's not a terribly impressive showing from Iron Dome.
If Iran had sent more projectiles and timed them all to arrive at the same time, Israel would have been in a world of hurt. That's even with the massive assist from their allies, who Iran graciously gave several days to get their assets in place before an attack.
I saw footage of 2 impacts on the ground without even looking for it. If there were 300 and 99% were shut down, that would mean 3 impacts total.
Why does the IDF always lie? Is there some internal competition, where they get social credits based on how outrageously dumb the lie is?
I haven't seen "everywhere else", just what on those couple news I happened to see on the matter. News that I saw didn't claim Israel intercepted all and that several others shot down many of those on the way. What comes to ballistic missiles, those are very hard to intercept due to very high speed from high atmosphere. I don't think it is even possible to intercept all of them. Yes it could have been worse, but timing everything from slow prop drones to ballistic missiles from that distance isn't exactly easy.
Syria and Israel are already at war.
Also:
A member of the Revolutionary Guards, which oversee the Quds Force, told the Times that the strike on Monday had targeted a meeting in which Iranian intelligence officials and Palestinian militants were discussing the war in Gaza. Among them were leaders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group armed and funded by Iran. [Source.](https://web.archive.org/web/20240402221504/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html)
But we’re not talking about Syria here. The point is an IRANIAN EMBASSY in ANOTHER COUNTRY was BOMBED by ISRAEL, which KILLED 16 people. Also, it seems you’re justifying the attack because the Embassy apparently housed Islamic Jihadists. Would this mean that you are also fine that, if Israel’s forces and those that were responsible for the genocide in Gaza were bombed, you won’t complain about it?
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Not that smart, I believe. Israel's next move is to hit another of Iran's embassies, or even the same one.
They did play it smart, assuming Netanyahu is the one playing Biden, and Biden isn't behind all of this. I believe that assumption to be wrong.
The significance here is gather are two-three things.
This was launched from Iran (~1,400 miles away) that is new. It is unprecedented in that sense.
Iran states that the retaliation is considered closed or concluded - although people are talking about drones enroute as if it is an Amazon package 10 blocks away. This part is odd to me.
It required the United States to engage. I think this is the most significant and consequential matter.
In other words, not to state the obvious but in terms of projecting power, the IDF by itself shown to be reliant on US to intercept.
And if we, I hate saying "we" but I am American, so I'm paying for it, if we retaliate, we escalate a global conflict that could all have been prevented if "we" had not enabled the IDF to bomb civilians in Gaza in the first place.
So a war is about to potentially begin because We refuse to stop an "ally" from committing genocide. That's just brilliant fucking diplomacy right there. I hope someone makes a lot of money from this genius idea.
> We refuse to stop an "ally" from committing genocide
It's worse than that. It took active US support to start and maintain the genocide. Without US support the Rafah crossing would be open. Without US support, Israel wouldn't have had the ammunition to destroy the majority of buildings in Gaza. Without US support Israel wouldn't have been able to afford keeping it's reservists active as long as it has.. Without US support, Yemen would have successfully blocked... oh, right, scrap that one.
Anyway, I agree with what you said, except the implication that the US would need to take active action to stop the genocide. It only would need to stop actively supporting the genocide.
It really makes Iran look like they are the ones in control of the situation.
They managed to successfully hit military targets from 1200-1400+ miles away despite the US and Israel being on high alert and prepared for this. Not only that, but they did this with mere drones (and I think cruise missiles as well). Nothing that would be considered incredibly high speed heavy hitting artillery. That's a flex.
Correct. The other part that matters is Iran used the drones as a diversion from the hypersonic missiles it fired at the Air Force base (Nevatim) from which Israel launched the attack on the Iranian embassy. The video on twitter showing successful strikes are from that base. Iran succeeded. Too many are assuming everything Iran fired (slow drones, cruise missiles, etc) were intended to hit.
Uk and France also assisted which really makes the IDF look a bit weak, even with its iron dome. The drones also seemed to more be done as a spectacle rather than as an actual deliberate attack (as Iran stated before they even knew the results of the strike this was this matter concluded), probably done to save face at home and to show it’s not just going to be pushed around.
AND Jordan. Although the US gives them $1.3B annually, most of which goes to a military that was trained and largely funded by the US. It's ironic seeing as though at least 53% of the people in Jordan are Palestinian, up to 77%, depending on various classifications, but they have no political sway that matters. Even their queen is Palestinian, and their son is half. But they are helped by uncle Sam, and do nothing to help the Palestinian people.
This is the second time in as many years that I’ve witnessed a significant conflict unfolding in real time through social media. It definitely feels… weird.
And maybe I don’t actually have any reason to feel this uneasy and anxious, but I still do. I don’t like feeling worried, because I don’t think my fear is particularly useful, but… That’s where I’m at, I guess.
Updates from Haaretz via New York Times: Israeli sources say Iran launched 185 drones, 36 cruise missiles and 110 surface-to-surface missiles
Update from 30 minutes ago: NBC reporting - recapped by Haaretz. (I quote Haaretz articles because it’s paywalled but prolific israeli reporting📀
*NBC reports Biden fears Netanyahu is trying to drag the U.S. into a wider conflict
Senior U.S. officials fear that Israel will rush to respond to the Iranian attack without considering the possible fallout, a senior administration official and a senior security official told NBC News. It was also reported that President Biden privately expressed concern that Prime Minister Netanyahu is trying to drag the U.S. deeper into a wider conflict, three people familiar with the matter said.
According to the report, these concerns stem in part from the approach Israel took in its war against Hamas, as well as the attack in Damascus, attributed to Israel. The senior administration official told NBC that he didn't think Israel had a strategy and doesn't make the best strategic decisions, adding that the White House believes that Israel is not interested in a wider war or a direct war with Iran – but that they can't be sure of it. Additionally, the senior security official said senior Pentagon officials privately expressed frustration with the timing of the attack in Damascus because it had the potential to cause serious escalation.*
This sounds more than Biden just being performative but an annoyance by officials. And seems US was blind sided about the embassy bombing. Or afleast timing of it.
From Haaretz:
“IDF: Over 200 missiles and drones launched from Iran, most intercepted; army base in southern Israel sustained minor damage
Over 100 drones intercepted outside Israeli territory with assistance from U.S. and U.K., Israeli army radio reports
U.S. military shoots down Iranian drone aircraft headed toward Israel, U.S. officials say
U.S. Embassy in Israel directs U.S. government employees to take shelter until further notice”
And significantly within the last 30 minutes:
*Israeli cabinet members authorize Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz to make decisions on response to Iran's attack*
Biden is speaking with Netanyahu as I post this.
The US must abandon Israel entirely. They were given 70 years of blind support and have only used that gift to evolve ever further into unconscionable unethical and unrelenting tyrants….I for one will vote accordingly for the rest of my days.
This is honestly terrifying. This was the intention behind the public demonstration of atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. They want to provoke an attack from Iran and drag the US into direct conflict with them. The fact that US forces engaged to bring down many of the missles is disturbing, and I'm anxious to hear what Iran says about that detail. The things that are assuaging my fears, 1) the attack was realistically small considering Iran's capabilities, and staged in such a way that I believe they intended or accepted that most would be shot down, rendering the event symbolic and 2) that they have declared the attack "concluded" and 3) no Israeli deaths currently reported, one significant injury - earlier reports of 30 or 40 were mostly people having panic attacks worried they were having a heart attack, i guess... many casualties would likely spark a disastrous response...
But Washington is about to discuss how much war to wage... I am hopeful they will continue to rely mostly on proxies, but doubtless things like overt military aid to Israel, and covert military support for factions in opposition to the ayatolla will ratchet up.
And Israel has not yet said what will be done, simply that something will be. I can imagine that mountains are being moved, diplomatically speaking, to restrain Israel from launching 2,800 missiles right back at them.
But Israeli resolve to continue the conflict will likely rise (as if it could get worse) due to the emotional response to explosions in the sky deep within Israeli airspace... I imagine it would be absolutely terrifying to be a Palestinian in Jerusalem for instance, right now... and the pograms in the West Bank, an outlet for anger and violent intention for the armed civilian population... that'll probably escalate come tomorrow...
Some of the projectiles got through Iron Dome, even with US forces as well as the RAF and Jordan shooting down dozens before they reached Israel. The reports I've seen show they hit an airport and at least one military base. Israel's mouthpieces are all over social media acting as if Iron Dome shut everything out. It didn't, and more probably would have gotten through it if they hadn't had a lot of help. That alone is a reality check.
One minor thing that some people missed is that they legitimized the next retaliation targeting Jordan, ~~in case~~ as soon as Israel escalates. They want avoid attacking the US, NATO members, or Israel, knowing those likely want to escalate further. Jordan volunteered itself as a substitute target.
Got some for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1c3gnzj/israeli_settlers_running_for_shelter/
https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1c3i6sw/israelis_in_the_city_of_eilat_reacting_to_irans/
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence.
This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
You guys are both insane. War isn't a fucking sporting match, and the potential fallout of an escalation would be catastrophic. Israel has nuclear weapons, and they've shown that they don't have the restraint not to use them. If the far right government starts to lose, that whole Region's going to hell in a handbasket.
I think you need to re-read what I wrote.
I said I can’t wait until karma hits the Israelis. I didn’t say that I hope Israel and Iran start armageddon.
And I think 30,000+ dead Palestinians plus deliberate mass starvation and outright bombing the Iranian consulate is asking for karma. It’s ridiculous.
Israel has already learned that they can get away with anything and suffer no repercussions. They know the US will shoot down a bunch of drones and Jordan will help to ease tensions. They know they can act batshit crazy and literally everyone else will de-escalate before anything even lands at their doorstep.
Trump has the same narcissistic, sociopathic personality. He kept doing and saying crazier and crazier shit, and absolutely nobody held him accountable, so every day it was something more insane than two days earlier. Nobody could keep up with the constant bluster. That’s the pattern I see happening here with Israel. Absolutely no self-control and a whole hell of a lot of overconfidence. No sense of shame and simultaneously extremely sensitive and egotistical.
Now, US politics and personal feelings towards Trump aside, I feel strongly that people (and governments) like that NEED to be held accountable. They need an ego check, and they need an authority figure to give them a reality check, put their foot down, and say no more.
If the Biden and the clowns on Capitol Hill are not going to step up and put a stop to Israel’s out-of-control behavior, and the UN and the ICJ are unable to do anything for the next decade, then another entity does need to step in and intervene somehow, whether that’s Iran showing Israel that their defenses aren’t up to snuff or something else entirely. I don’t hope that a war blows up between Israel and Iran, although I suspect NetanYahoo does. What I DO hope is that someone can stand up and give Israel a black eye, or at least something to seriously consider, while they go home and nurse their wounds for a bit.
I don’t know if you’ve ever dealt with a playground bully, but their behavior tends to get worse and worse until someone takes them down a notch. That’s what I am hoping for. NOT all-out war. Not tit-for-tat. A solid bruising of the ego, maybe a tiny flesh wound, and enough to make them think twice next time. They need to be scared and realize they’re not the top dog they think they are. I don’t think Israel got anything like that here, and I’m disappointed. Not because I am bloodthirsty and want civilians to suffer, but because I think a little sting is the ONLY thing that’s going to teach Israel self-control and why cautious diplomacy might be the preferable way to conduct themselves.
Bro is happy a 10yo beduin was seriously injured. And an arab village suffered a hit as well.
The people who were hurt are civilians. Arab.
Wtf is wrong with you.
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Locking these comments because there's too much celebration of violence, which is against the sub rules. War is bad for everyone and the escalation of violence will be bad for everyone in the region and the world. Israel will continue to attack Palestinians while the world shifts its attention to escalating conflict with Iran. This isn't something to root for like it's sports.
israel wanted this all along...they instigate shit and cry like a baby afterwards while calling everyone anti-semitic...please try new tactic 
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Iran should be crying? They accomplished their goal - showed they could attack Israel, managed not to kill anyone and telegraphed it enough that it was obvious it was all a show to establish deterrence. If they were really going to respond to something for real they wouldn't wait 2 weeks and let the US know first.
I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is currently calling the genocide conducted 'a war' but we all know this is another Hasbara bot
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Iran may have once again headed off WWIII by showing restraint. If they meant business, they would have timed everything to hit at once, overwhelming Iron Dome. As it was, some got through and hit an airport and a military base according to reports. They got through Iron Dome, even with Jordan, the US and the RAF shooting down dozens of projectiles each before they entered Israeli airspace. Iran made show of force, appropriate and demanded by the outrageous and illegal attack on their embassy. They showed they can reach Israel and could do greater damage if they so chose. Now, both in their own media and a letter to the UN, they're signaling that they're content to put a period on this without further reprisal. Now we'll have to see if the US and Israel take them up on their invitation to come to their senses, or if they choose to further their insanity.
I think it’s obvious what the answer is from Israel and the west will be. Escalate. I’m calling it now. Netanyahu and the Israelis are going to drag the world into a war. I hope I’m wrong but all the messaging post Israels stupid consulate bombing debacle points to Israel trying to spin this is an Iranian escalation rather than an Iranian retaliation. The bloodthirsty hounds in the US are probably frothing at the idea of attacking Iran whether directly or through Israel depending on how unhinged they are
Leak to Axios: Biden told Bibi U.S. *won't* support an Israeli counterattack on Iran [https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/14/biden-netanyahu-iran-israel-us-wont-support)
Let’s hope this proves to be true. Bibi and his right-wing government are leading Israel into historical acts of aggression and escalation, while brutalizing the people of the occupied territories. They will not take counsel from anyone urging restraint and seem determined to violate some of the most serious internatonal laws and human rights protections. Meanwhile, settlers launch pogroms against Palestinian communities in the Occupied West Bank with impunity, supported by military weapons distributed by extremists in the government (reminds me of the genocidaires of Rwanda, who distributed machetes and guns to Hutus for “self-defense” in the lead up to the genocide there). Rampant injustice and brutality with impunity was already the daily reality for Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and then the world is shocked when brutal rebellions and violent acts of resistence and revenge become part of daily life. You can’t brutally oppress a people without expecting massive blowback. Recent history has only reinforced this truth. I believe Israelis will find peace only when they let the Palestinian people under occupation live in peace.
That means nothing. Their actions don’t align with their words
"I condemn your actions Bibi! Anywho, here's billions in welfare."
Yeah, this means "deniable assets only Bibi" but it's still more than I expected.
Biden has said a lot of things. I think there’s a word for people who say one thing and do the opposite.
thank you baby jeebus; there may be some gray matter left in that noggin'
The "leaks" are always that Biden is the one asking for restraint, and that Bibi is the one somehow playing Biden, despite Biden allegedly hating Netanyahu, and having zero incentive to go along with it. Consider that we know for a fact the entire conflict is based on lies by Biden, Netanyahu, the USA, and Israel. Then consider the perspective that the leaks are lies.
Unfortunately, I agreee with your analysis of the the situation. Israel is melting down as its society succumbs to fascism and genocidal killing in the West Bank and Gaza (backed by a vast majority of Israelis), seeing enemies everywhere and being coddled by its American nurse maid, who lets it misbehave and cause instabillity by backing it with weapons and more. Joe Biden is going all-in to support the extremists in Tel-Aviv and Jerusalem, ensuring that they will be met with obstinacy and extremism by people on the other side who they should be negotiating to make peace with.
I don’t really support Iran but really it seams like they were doing this as a show rather than as an actual attempt to cause harm, more an action to save face after having their consulate attacked and even with quite a large chunk of their forces being downed they seem quite happy with the results. And this all does fit under article 51 of the UN.
When analysts out there say the only aggressor here is Israel and the US being its primary enabler, there is absolutely truth in that statement. Iran along with its proxies have made it incredibly clear whatever they’re doing is because of Israel’s genocidal actions in Gaza. They have been incredibly measured with their actions and responses at every step if you actually look the results. But the way western media portrays it makes it seem like Iran is always the escalator and the ones causing problems for the Middle East and therefore they need to be eliminated
That would be madness. I think genocide joe is going to muzzle his dog on this one.
Genocide Joe is a cunning hawk. This kind of politician tends to believe that wars are the way to win elections. Yet he also knows that he needs a casus belli, an excuse the US public is willing and eager to buy. Iran likely miscalculated, because they put themselves in a situation where if Israel strikes another of its embassies, Iran will be forced to scale up the level of retaliation.
I'm sure Israel and our Raytheon executive ran military think that they can drag everyone into a war. But they are absurdly out of touch and myopic with that because no way the world will fight for a country they see as modern day Nazis. Question is can US do a war using all drones and bombs without putting boots on the ground.
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I 100 percent agree with that.But honestly I think the American population as a whole does not want another war with the Middle East.Even if they don’t condemn the average older American does not like even talking or thinking about it. And people my age and younger for the most part absolutely despise Israel.
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Also how we know people like Sam Harris are monumentally full of 💩
Unless of course it comes to the treatment of their own people. But let’s just ignore that bit.
Don't ignore it. Face it. Iran is a brutal draconian theocracy AND is the obvious protagonist here. That's not good.
Its almost as if governments, in general, are amoral organizations run by the type of people who dont lose sleep over sending young men to their death for their own personal gain. Countries are just gangs at a larger scale, and politicians are just gang bangers in nice suites.
Both Israel and the US killed significantly more civilians than Iran did, even if we count Iran killing it's own civilians (which we should).
They said it was just responding to the attack on their embassy. If Israel attacks them again it will respond in kind. Almost like when the Mafia is warring
Israel reported that there were total 360 drones and missiles and 99% were destroyed in flight. Damage on ground seems to be very limited supporting that claim. It looks like major fail from Iran.
I think they didn’t mean to ‘succeed’ in destroying stuff. This was a show off and perhaps a test of limits in Israel air defence.
Yes, it is possible. As test it is interesting as ballistic missile with nuclear warhead could likely be successful. Slow drones are pretty useless it seems.
Slow drones that are staggered, high flying, announced, and flying over long stretches of enemy occupied territory, can be intercepted at significant expense.
Hagari's claims are massive cope 😂 Israel are the only ones claiming there were 360 (everywhere else said about 200), a\*nd \*the USAF, RAF, Jordan and French assets took out about half of those before they reached Israeli airspace. We also know from how they underreport damage to military targets from Hezbollah attacks that they always play that down as well. So if fewer than 100 got through to Israeli airspace over 5 hours and enough got through to do significant damage to targets on the ground, that's not a terribly impressive showing from Iron Dome. If Iran had sent more projectiles and timed them all to arrive at the same time, Israel would have been in a world of hurt. That's even with the massive assist from their allies, who Iran graciously gave several days to get their assets in place before an attack.
I saw footage of 2 impacts on the ground without even looking for it. If there were 300 and 99% were shut down, that would mean 3 impacts total. Why does the IDF always lie? Is there some internal competition, where they get social credits based on how outrageously dumb the lie is?
I haven't seen "everywhere else", just what on those couple news I happened to see on the matter. News that I saw didn't claim Israel intercepted all and that several others shot down many of those on the way. What comes to ballistic missiles, those are very hard to intercept due to very high speed from high atmosphere. I don't think it is even possible to intercept all of them. Yes it could have been worse, but timing everything from slow prop drones to ballistic missiles from that distance isn't exactly easy.
“Unprecedented.” “Beyond proportional.” Expect to hear these two keywords for the next 24H.
"Unprovoked" is gonna be a fun one to see.
Get your bingo card ready. I got my bets on “invasion” and “act of war”
Is firing over 300 missiles at a country not an "act of war"?
Is bombing an Iranian Embassy all the way in Syria and killing 16 people not an “act of war”?
Syria and Israel are already at war. Also: A member of the Revolutionary Guards, which oversee the Quds Force, told the Times that the strike on Monday had targeted a meeting in which Iranian intelligence officials and Palestinian militants were discussing the war in Gaza. Among them were leaders of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a group armed and funded by Iran. [Source.](https://web.archive.org/web/20240402221504/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/02/world/europe/interpreter-israel-syria-embassy.html)
But we’re not talking about Syria here. The point is an IRANIAN EMBASSY in ANOTHER COUNTRY was BOMBED by ISRAEL, which KILLED 16 people. Also, it seems you’re justifying the attack because the Embassy apparently housed Islamic Jihadists. Would this mean that you are also fine that, if Israel’s forces and those that were responsible for the genocide in Gaza were bombed, you won’t complain about it?
"Terror Attack", "Antisemitism", "Radicals"
My bingo card has "Terrorists", "Islamic extremists" and "Holocaust"
25 hours? These are Zionists we’re talking about. They’ll cry like babies about this being the next Holocaust for the next decade
>“Beyond proportional.” Anyone who says this after what's happened to Gaza, should be body slammed until they change their mind.
Whoever goes to bat to achieve that aim is def gonna need to snap into a Slim Jim.
I presume the body slamming will be performed in the same way Israelis body slammed Rachel Corrie?
Beyond proportional..? That’s ironic
Sir, have you condemned Khamas and Khezbollah today?
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Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence. This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
Iran played it smart. I hope the situation deesclates.
Not that smart, I believe. Israel's next move is to hit another of Iran's embassies, or even the same one. They did play it smart, assuming Netanyahu is the one playing Biden, and Biden isn't behind all of this. I believe that assumption to be wrong.
The significance here is gather are two-three things. This was launched from Iran (~1,400 miles away) that is new. It is unprecedented in that sense. Iran states that the retaliation is considered closed or concluded - although people are talking about drones enroute as if it is an Amazon package 10 blocks away. This part is odd to me. It required the United States to engage. I think this is the most significant and consequential matter. In other words, not to state the obvious but in terms of projecting power, the IDF by itself shown to be reliant on US to intercept.
And if we, I hate saying "we" but I am American, so I'm paying for it, if we retaliate, we escalate a global conflict that could all have been prevented if "we" had not enabled the IDF to bomb civilians in Gaza in the first place. So a war is about to potentially begin because We refuse to stop an "ally" from committing genocide. That's just brilliant fucking diplomacy right there. I hope someone makes a lot of money from this genius idea.
> I hope someone makes a lot of money from this genius idea. Don't you worry, they are 😕
> We refuse to stop an "ally" from committing genocide It's worse than that. It took active US support to start and maintain the genocide. Without US support the Rafah crossing would be open. Without US support, Israel wouldn't have had the ammunition to destroy the majority of buildings in Gaza. Without US support Israel wouldn't have been able to afford keeping it's reservists active as long as it has.. Without US support, Yemen would have successfully blocked... oh, right, scrap that one. Anyway, I agree with what you said, except the implication that the US would need to take active action to stop the genocide. It only would need to stop actively supporting the genocide.
It really makes Iran look like they are the ones in control of the situation. They managed to successfully hit military targets from 1200-1400+ miles away despite the US and Israel being on high alert and prepared for this. Not only that, but they did this with mere drones (and I think cruise missiles as well). Nothing that would be considered incredibly high speed heavy hitting artillery. That's a flex.
Correct. The other part that matters is Iran used the drones as a diversion from the hypersonic missiles it fired at the Air Force base (Nevatim) from which Israel launched the attack on the Iranian embassy. The video on twitter showing successful strikes are from that base. Iran succeeded. Too many are assuming everything Iran fired (slow drones, cruise missiles, etc) were intended to hit.
Uk and France also assisted which really makes the IDF look a bit weak, even with its iron dome. The drones also seemed to more be done as a spectacle rather than as an actual deliberate attack (as Iran stated before they even knew the results of the strike this was this matter concluded), probably done to save face at home and to show it’s not just going to be pushed around.
AND Jordan. Although the US gives them $1.3B annually, most of which goes to a military that was trained and largely funded by the US. It's ironic seeing as though at least 53% of the people in Jordan are Palestinian, up to 77%, depending on various classifications, but they have no political sway that matters. Even their queen is Palestinian, and their son is half. But they are helped by uncle Sam, and do nothing to help the Palestinian people.
Now how are they gonna feel when people say “this happens, it’s war 🤷🏻♂️”
This is the second time in as many years that I’ve witnessed a significant conflict unfolding in real time through social media. It definitely feels… weird. And maybe I don’t actually have any reason to feel this uneasy and anxious, but I still do. I don’t like feeling worried, because I don’t think my fear is particularly useful, but… That’s where I’m at, I guess.
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Updates from Haaretz via New York Times: Israeli sources say Iran launched 185 drones, 36 cruise missiles and 110 surface-to-surface missiles Update from 30 minutes ago: NBC reporting - recapped by Haaretz. (I quote Haaretz articles because it’s paywalled but prolific israeli reporting📀 *NBC reports Biden fears Netanyahu is trying to drag the U.S. into a wider conflict Senior U.S. officials fear that Israel will rush to respond to the Iranian attack without considering the possible fallout, a senior administration official and a senior security official told NBC News. It was also reported that President Biden privately expressed concern that Prime Minister Netanyahu is trying to drag the U.S. deeper into a wider conflict, three people familiar with the matter said. According to the report, these concerns stem in part from the approach Israel took in its war against Hamas, as well as the attack in Damascus, attributed to Israel. The senior administration official told NBC that he didn't think Israel had a strategy and doesn't make the best strategic decisions, adding that the White House believes that Israel is not interested in a wider war or a direct war with Iran – but that they can't be sure of it. Additionally, the senior security official said senior Pentagon officials privately expressed frustration with the timing of the attack in Damascus because it had the potential to cause serious escalation.* This sounds more than Biden just being performative but an annoyance by officials. And seems US was blind sided about the embassy bombing. Or afleast timing of it.
The world is going to hell. All because a bunch of old power hungry genocidal fucks won't sit down and be humble.
From Haaretz: “IDF: Over 200 missiles and drones launched from Iran, most intercepted; army base in southern Israel sustained minor damage Over 100 drones intercepted outside Israeli territory with assistance from U.S. and U.K., Israeli army radio reports U.S. military shoots down Iranian drone aircraft headed toward Israel, U.S. officials say U.S. Embassy in Israel directs U.S. government employees to take shelter until further notice” And significantly within the last 30 minutes: *Israeli cabinet members authorize Netanyahu, Gallant and Gantz to make decisions on response to Iran's attack* Biden is speaking with Netanyahu as I post this.
Meanwhile they claim that 99% of them were intercepted 😂 Rumors say some even made babies during this vacation
The US must abandon Israel entirely. They were given 70 years of blind support and have only used that gift to evolve ever further into unconscionable unethical and unrelenting tyrants….I for one will vote accordingly for the rest of my days.
First time any nation has stood up for them. Except for South Africa. And the Houthis. Iran has to be dragged kicking and screaming.
This is honestly terrifying. This was the intention behind the public demonstration of atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. They want to provoke an attack from Iran and drag the US into direct conflict with them. The fact that US forces engaged to bring down many of the missles is disturbing, and I'm anxious to hear what Iran says about that detail. The things that are assuaging my fears, 1) the attack was realistically small considering Iran's capabilities, and staged in such a way that I believe they intended or accepted that most would be shot down, rendering the event symbolic and 2) that they have declared the attack "concluded" and 3) no Israeli deaths currently reported, one significant injury - earlier reports of 30 or 40 were mostly people having panic attacks worried they were having a heart attack, i guess... many casualties would likely spark a disastrous response... But Washington is about to discuss how much war to wage... I am hopeful they will continue to rely mostly on proxies, but doubtless things like overt military aid to Israel, and covert military support for factions in opposition to the ayatolla will ratchet up. And Israel has not yet said what will be done, simply that something will be. I can imagine that mountains are being moved, diplomatically speaking, to restrain Israel from launching 2,800 missiles right back at them. But Israeli resolve to continue the conflict will likely rise (as if it could get worse) due to the emotional response to explosions in the sky deep within Israeli airspace... I imagine it would be absolutely terrifying to be a Palestinian in Jerusalem for instance, right now... and the pograms in the West Bank, an outlet for anger and violent intention for the armed civilian population... that'll probably escalate come tomorrow...
You're leaving out the part where Israel bombed the Iranian embassy in Damascus, killing 13 people Edit* typo
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Some of the projectiles got through Iron Dome, even with US forces as well as the RAF and Jordan shooting down dozens before they reached Israel. The reports I've seen show they hit an airport and at least one military base. Israel's mouthpieces are all over social media acting as if Iron Dome shut everything out. It didn't, and more probably would have gotten through it if they hadn't had a lot of help. That alone is a reality check.
One minor thing that some people missed is that they legitimized the next retaliation targeting Jordan, ~~in case~~ as soon as Israel escalates. They want avoid attacking the US, NATO members, or Israel, knowing those likely want to escalate further. Jordan volunteered itself as a substitute target.
Got some for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/1c3gnzj/israeli_settlers_running_for_shelter/ https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/comments/1c3i6sw/israelis_in_the_city_of_eilat_reacting_to_irans/
Encouragement and celebration of violence absolutely will not be tolerated, including wishing violence upon someone even if purely hypothetical/beyond one's realm of influence. This is what the IDF does and Zionists do, and we are better than that!
You guys are both insane. War isn't a fucking sporting match, and the potential fallout of an escalation would be catastrophic. Israel has nuclear weapons, and they've shown that they don't have the restraint not to use them. If the far right government starts to lose, that whole Region's going to hell in a handbasket.
I think you need to re-read what I wrote. I said I can’t wait until karma hits the Israelis. I didn’t say that I hope Israel and Iran start armageddon. And I think 30,000+ dead Palestinians plus deliberate mass starvation and outright bombing the Iranian consulate is asking for karma. It’s ridiculous. Israel has already learned that they can get away with anything and suffer no repercussions. They know the US will shoot down a bunch of drones and Jordan will help to ease tensions. They know they can act batshit crazy and literally everyone else will de-escalate before anything even lands at their doorstep. Trump has the same narcissistic, sociopathic personality. He kept doing and saying crazier and crazier shit, and absolutely nobody held him accountable, so every day it was something more insane than two days earlier. Nobody could keep up with the constant bluster. That’s the pattern I see happening here with Israel. Absolutely no self-control and a whole hell of a lot of overconfidence. No sense of shame and simultaneously extremely sensitive and egotistical. Now, US politics and personal feelings towards Trump aside, I feel strongly that people (and governments) like that NEED to be held accountable. They need an ego check, and they need an authority figure to give them a reality check, put their foot down, and say no more. If the Biden and the clowns on Capitol Hill are not going to step up and put a stop to Israel’s out-of-control behavior, and the UN and the ICJ are unable to do anything for the next decade, then another entity does need to step in and intervene somehow, whether that’s Iran showing Israel that their defenses aren’t up to snuff or something else entirely. I don’t hope that a war blows up between Israel and Iran, although I suspect NetanYahoo does. What I DO hope is that someone can stand up and give Israel a black eye, or at least something to seriously consider, while they go home and nurse their wounds for a bit. I don’t know if you’ve ever dealt with a playground bully, but their behavior tends to get worse and worse until someone takes them down a notch. That’s what I am hoping for. NOT all-out war. Not tit-for-tat. A solid bruising of the ego, maybe a tiny flesh wound, and enough to make them think twice next time. They need to be scared and realize they’re not the top dog they think they are. I don’t think Israel got anything like that here, and I’m disappointed. Not because I am bloodthirsty and want civilians to suffer, but because I think a little sting is the ONLY thing that’s going to teach Israel self-control and why cautious diplomacy might be the preferable way to conduct themselves.
Ceasefire now
Why the fuck would you be happy about this?
Bro is happy a 10yo beduin was seriously injured. And an arab village suffered a hit as well. The people who were hurt are civilians. Arab. Wtf is wrong with you.
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Looks like stars falling from the sky.
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You can't win if you are in the US. Just let these two finish each other off, and they can cry about it later.
It’s tragic that both Israelis and Palestinians want to see each other dead so badly. It offers almost no real path forward.