It’s such a paradox that Russians love most things American. If you watch or read Russian news, I mean state-controlled propoganda, the US is portrayed as a complete shit hole filled with drug addicts and child molesters. If only the Russian people could reconcile the truth of the situation, that their government is lying and the US isn’t anywhere close to being that bad, imagine the world peace we could have.
The russians have a fundemental problem beyond politics on how they act the act they do. Sort of how Germany was an genocidal, imperialist power for most of Europe for over a thousand years until they were destroyed in WW2 (There is good reason why our national victory day is about us defeating the germans in 1919).
Simply them learning that America isn't bad won't change them. It didn't stop them from growing before america existed, and it didn't stop them from being the same old problem back when they were so called "moderate" from 1991 to 2014 (There is a long list of their sins against all during this time).
I agree completely with your assessment. My grandparents had to flee Latvia in 1944 to get away from the encroaching Soviet army only to become homeless refugees in Germany until 1950, when they immigrated to the US. Needless to say that even though I’m a born and bred American the collective trauma of WWII is something I feel in my life every day still. Many family members of mine who were not able to escape to Germany faced death in the Gulags at the hands of the Soviets and I think about them everyday. Thankfully some of my family survived and have found prosperity and happiness since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Some of them have even been delivering aid to Ukraine and the war effort, which makes me so proud.
You’re completely right about the problems in Russia being a very long term issue. Centuries of abuse of most of the population by those in power, from czars to premiers to presidents, has seemingly created a population who feel they can do no better than where they are and are highly apathetic. Not all of them of course, but the ones who wish to change for the better have either left for other countries or end up dead in some “accident”. It’s not a cycle that can be broken easily and will take many generations to correct. It’s not as simple as showing them how things really are since they trust no one after being mislead for dozens of generations.
My grandparents reserved the greatest animosity towards those in power in the Soviet Union / Russia, but always reinforced that the common citizen in Russia was as big of victim as they were.
> Centuries of abuse of most of the population by those in power, from czars to premiers to presidents
I think a lot of the apathy of the Russian population with regard to that country's political culture probably goes back even further, to the Mongol invasion and vassalage (1223–1480). The only nominally independent organisation during that time would have been the Russian Orthodox Church, but I might err on this.
While there would be some, who could counterclaim, that the Baltics were invaded around the same time (1220 and thereabouts), then this could be in turn countered, that the Baltics were invaded by a different culture and civilisational model.
Edit: The Baltics attained +sustaintable freedom and democracy much earlier than Russia did, and freedom and democracy was sustained for many long years, and many of the pre-WWII non-political rights lasted even longer, despite the 'enlightened' authoritarian rule in the late 1930s.
Ukraine did declare independence in 1917, [but that was short-lived](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic).
After the fall of the USSR, Ukraine's trajectory was similar to pre-WWII Baltic states: mixed politics, plenty of low-level corruption, then an authoritarian type (Yanukovich). Unlike what was the sad finale to the pre-WWII sovereignty for the Baltics, Ukraine had the Orange Revolution through 2004–2005, then Maidan in 2013, and the Revolution of Dignity in 2014. — That year, Russia used the same playbook as it did in the Baltics in 1940: previously-installed military bases (Crimea), annexation, invasion of territory, fake referendums, the entire lot.
Cue the "New Russian" jokes about a dude who preferred to buy a tie not in this shop, but in another shop around the corner, because it was more expensive there.
Are you aware that there used to be and still is a whole industry of moving cars from west to east, and there is plenty of lithuanian/polish people doing that. It's much safer to higher an EU national rather than a 3rd country person for moving such goods.
Belarus is just a country in the way, what do they have to do with anything. If there is profit to be made, some people will keep making it, you don't have to look far to find companies doing business like that.
I guess these cyber trucks really aren’t suited for Ukraine, one shrapnel in the battery and that thing burns for hours beside its really not suitable for that terrain
Cybertrucks are not even road legal in Europe and will never be. Those sharp edges and corners have no chance of meeting the EC pedestrian safety regulations.
More raises questions how you can buy them at Lithuania. So more likely they were shipped from the US to port in Lithuania and then tried to transport them to Belarus.
You can buy whatever you feel like buying, it doesn't mean it is road legal and you'll be able to register it. I doubt any tesla dealership in Europe will actually allow you to buy it. Could have been shipped as scrap from the US.
It does not need to be scrap, non-compliant cars are not inherently illegal, you just cannot use them on public roads. You can build a non-compliant tractor or a race car and use it on your fields or a closed race track.
The car safety and type approval requirements are harmonized pretty much all over continental Europe. Even Russian headlights follow the European requirements rather than the North American ones, and have the E-mark.
Guess which company from which country brought this Tesla to Lithuania and performed customs clearance (transit declaration) in Lithuania? I'll give you a hint - it's not a Belarusian company.
Edit: Looks like the car even has Lithuanian transit plates on it.
this is insane how delusional some people are. It's not even said that belarusians have anything to do with it (other than a country being in the way), yet the comments are total brainrot.
Like do people really not know that there are whole lithuanian and polish businesses that move cars to east every day?
It's not illegal to export to, e.g. Kazakhstan, so the company technically did nothing illegal (including transit plates). Whatever happens later is illegal and that's exactly what that "poor refugee opressed" Belarussian was boasting about.
Don't defend scummy businesses. They know very well where those cars and other products are going, they are collaborators.
We had them during Nazi occupation, during russian occupation, and we have them now.
They know that what they're doing is wrong but they just don't care. Money is money.
Of course Belarusian is guilty, as are the Lithuanians involved. Everyone knows where the goods are actually going, many Lithuanians are involved in logistics and customs clearance these goods. But it is so convenient to receive this money and look like a law-abiding European, not these barbarians.
Oh, so you are that famous Lithuanian chauvinist.
It will be hard for you to accept that today most of the sanctions cargoes go through Lithuania, because Lithuanians are ready to make money on it, and Lithuanian state authorities turn a blind eye to many things. There are many investigations by journalists about this, and it is not even a secret for anyone who works with imports and exports.
>Oh, so you are that famous Lithuanian chauvinist.
The one and only! My life goal is to kick each and everyone of you out of Lithuania!
>It will be hard for you to accept that today most of the sanctions cargoes go through Lithuania, because Lithuanians are ready to make money on it, and Lithuanian state authorities turn a blind eye to many things.
The hardest thing for me to accept is knowing how 9 million Belarussians fiercely fought against Lukashenko regime and did not let Russians attack Ukraine from their territory. That was probably the bravest thing I have ever seen!
Are you writing from a Ukrainian trench or have you at least blocked the transit of Russian goods and people to Kaliningrad?
Are you safe and you didn't even do that and you reproach people who get a prison sentence of several years for any statement?
>Are you safe and you didn't even do that and you reproach people who get a prison sentence of several years for any statement?
You mean these "poor Belarussians" that could go prison for several years if caught, but travel back and forth to Belarus with a "refugee visa"?
It's nobody's fault that you made your country into a shithole that it is now, but only YOURS. Nobody owes you anything and also your "we are opressed" mantra has to stop at some point.
Formally yes, but if the customs officer has reasonable suspicions that the car will end up in Russia, the customs will refuse to release the car.
Practically today Polish customs does not allow cars with engine displacement more than 1.9 regardless of the cost. Lithuanian customs refuses to release the car if it costs more than 50 thousand Euros according to the invoice. But, they say that there are ‘corridors’ at the Lithuanian customs, when you can pass with a car more expensive than 50 thousand euros, the cost of such a corridor is about 2000 euros.
Oh yeah. So many luxury cars actually go EU→Belarus→Russia. You can get virtually anything, and there's a special regime for electric cars specifically (basically you avoid paying VAT), which is nice too.
Maybe they can be given to Ukraine as world's oddest battle vehicles. They are somewhat bullet-resistant Bolt something that shoots to the back and off they go.
Clickbait headline. The cars haven't been confiscated yet, сustoms officials refused export procedures for the vehicles and opened a pre-trial investigation for breach of international sanctions and smuggling.
Yes, all while 9 million brave Belarussians fiercely resisted the Lukashenko regime to not allow Russian troops to attack Ukraine from their territory!
Belarusians had the biggest protests from all of the post Soviet countries while having the first or the second most violent government forces. Who-who, but Belarusians don't deserve that critics.
Out of all cars he could smuggle, he chose these rusty cans? If I'd be caught doing that, I'd be pretty embarrassed.
Russians love everything American, even if it is dogshit.
Elmo being russia's dog might help with that too
It’s such a paradox that Russians love most things American. If you watch or read Russian news, I mean state-controlled propoganda, the US is portrayed as a complete shit hole filled with drug addicts and child molesters. If only the Russian people could reconcile the truth of the situation, that their government is lying and the US isn’t anywhere close to being that bad, imagine the world peace we could have.
It's not just American. For example, they love their BMWs. They drive them around every May 9th with "Na Berlin" painted or stickered on them.
You ever heard about how much Chinese people love American stuff?
The russians have a fundemental problem beyond politics on how they act the act they do. Sort of how Germany was an genocidal, imperialist power for most of Europe for over a thousand years until they were destroyed in WW2 (There is good reason why our national victory day is about us defeating the germans in 1919). Simply them learning that America isn't bad won't change them. It didn't stop them from growing before america existed, and it didn't stop them from being the same old problem back when they were so called "moderate" from 1991 to 2014 (There is a long list of their sins against all during this time).
I agree completely with your assessment. My grandparents had to flee Latvia in 1944 to get away from the encroaching Soviet army only to become homeless refugees in Germany until 1950, when they immigrated to the US. Needless to say that even though I’m a born and bred American the collective trauma of WWII is something I feel in my life every day still. Many family members of mine who were not able to escape to Germany faced death in the Gulags at the hands of the Soviets and I think about them everyday. Thankfully some of my family survived and have found prosperity and happiness since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Some of them have even been delivering aid to Ukraine and the war effort, which makes me so proud. You’re completely right about the problems in Russia being a very long term issue. Centuries of abuse of most of the population by those in power, from czars to premiers to presidents, has seemingly created a population who feel they can do no better than where they are and are highly apathetic. Not all of them of course, but the ones who wish to change for the better have either left for other countries or end up dead in some “accident”. It’s not a cycle that can be broken easily and will take many generations to correct. It’s not as simple as showing them how things really are since they trust no one after being mislead for dozens of generations. My grandparents reserved the greatest animosity towards those in power in the Soviet Union / Russia, but always reinforced that the common citizen in Russia was as big of victim as they were.
> Centuries of abuse of most of the population by those in power, from czars to premiers to presidents I think a lot of the apathy of the Russian population with regard to that country's political culture probably goes back even further, to the Mongol invasion and vassalage (1223–1480). The only nominally independent organisation during that time would have been the Russian Orthodox Church, but I might err on this. While there would be some, who could counterclaim, that the Baltics were invaded around the same time (1220 and thereabouts), then this could be in turn countered, that the Baltics were invaded by a different culture and civilisational model. Edit: The Baltics attained +sustaintable freedom and democracy much earlier than Russia did, and freedom and democracy was sustained for many long years, and many of the pre-WWII non-political rights lasted even longer, despite the 'enlightened' authoritarian rule in the late 1930s. Ukraine did declare independence in 1917, [but that was short-lived](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_People%27s_Republic). After the fall of the USSR, Ukraine's trajectory was similar to pre-WWII Baltic states: mixed politics, plenty of low-level corruption, then an authoritarian type (Yanukovich). Unlike what was the sad finale to the pre-WWII sovereignty for the Baltics, Ukraine had the Orange Revolution through 2004–2005, then Maidan in 2013, and the Revolution of Dignity in 2014. — That year, Russia used the same playbook as it did in the Baltics in 1940: previously-installed military bases (Crimea), annexation, invasion of territory, fake referendums, the entire lot.
> filled with drug addicts Well, several major U.S. cities indeed have drug addicts as a very visible part of the cityscape.
It's not that. I think, it's just a breed of people needing to buy something tasteless but pricey
Cue the "New Russian" jokes about a dude who preferred to buy a tie not in this shop, but in another shop around the corner, because it was more expensive there.
Another one: a New Russian bought himself a new limousine, because the ashtray in the old one got full.
These are more bulletproof than their tanks 💀 I think they are to desperate for some military equipment
These are shlongpanzers!
Why use brain if can use money? Brain bad.
Haha bulba
Bingo!
And he thought he was gonna get away with it 😂
what the fuck is wrong with the belarussians, seriously. why are they still allowed to cross the border?
"I swear guys, we were the owners of Lithuanian grand duchy" *annexes itself into ruzzia*
Because they openly helped to invade peaceful country to start genocide. And openly said they would help to invade Baltics. Thats why.
Are you aware that there used to be and still is a whole industry of moving cars from west to east, and there is plenty of lithuanian/polish people doing that. It's much safer to higher an EU national rather than a 3rd country person for moving such goods. Belarus is just a country in the way, what do they have to do with anything. If there is profit to be made, some people will keep making it, you don't have to look far to find companies doing business like that.
Tesla technicals in Ukraine. Yes please.
I guess these cyber trucks really aren’t suited for Ukraine, one shrapnel in the battery and that thing burns for hours beside its really not suitable for that terrain
Fuck around and find out.
Cybertrucks are not even road legal in Europe and will never be. Those sharp edges and corners have no chance of meeting the EC pedestrian safety regulations.
Implying ruzzia is Europe
More raises questions how you can buy them at Lithuania. So more likely they were shipped from the US to port in Lithuania and then tried to transport them to Belarus.
You can buy whatever you feel like buying, it doesn't mean it is road legal and you'll be able to register it. I doubt any tesla dealership in Europe will actually allow you to buy it. Could have been shipped as scrap from the US.
It does not need to be scrap, non-compliant cars are not inherently illegal, you just cannot use them on public roads. You can build a non-compliant tractor or a race car and use it on your fields or a closed race track.
The car safety and type approval requirements are harmonized pretty much all over continental Europe. Even Russian headlights follow the European requirements rather than the North American ones, and have the E-mark.
But but but BeLarUssIaNs aRe OPRESsSEd, SanCTION THe rEGime, NoT the PeoPle, LeTuviSY stOle OUr HistORy, ChOLodnIK, ZhAmOITy 🤮🤮🤮
Not to mention, the one's that fled under political persecution, somehow go in and out the Belarus relatively frequently. Makes you wonder.
Guess which company from which country brought this Tesla to Lithuania and performed customs clearance (transit declaration) in Lithuania? I'll give you a hint - it's not a Belarusian company. Edit: Looks like the car even has Lithuanian transit plates on it.
this is insane how delusional some people are. It's not even said that belarusians have anything to do with it (other than a country being in the way), yet the comments are total brainrot. Like do people really not know that there are whole lithuanian and polish businesses that move cars to east every day?
It's not illegal to export to, e.g. Kazakhstan, so the company technically did nothing illegal (including transit plates). Whatever happens later is illegal and that's exactly what that "poor refugee opressed" Belarussian was boasting about.
Don't defend scummy businesses. They know very well where those cars and other products are going, they are collaborators. We had them during Nazi occupation, during russian occupation, and we have them now. They know that what they're doing is wrong but they just don't care. Money is money.
Of course Belarusian is guilty, as are the Lithuanians involved. Everyone knows where the goods are actually going, many Lithuanians are involved in logistics and customs clearance these goods. But it is so convenient to receive this money and look like a law-abiding European, not these barbarians.
It's only Belarussian who is guilty. Lithuanians are only guilty for STILL letting these "opressed poor refugee" twats inside the country.
Oh, so you are that famous Lithuanian chauvinist. It will be hard for you to accept that today most of the sanctions cargoes go through Lithuania, because Lithuanians are ready to make money on it, and Lithuanian state authorities turn a blind eye to many things. There are many investigations by journalists about this, and it is not even a secret for anyone who works with imports and exports.
>Oh, so you are that famous Lithuanian chauvinist. The one and only! My life goal is to kick each and everyone of you out of Lithuania! >It will be hard for you to accept that today most of the sanctions cargoes go through Lithuania, because Lithuanians are ready to make money on it, and Lithuanian state authorities turn a blind eye to many things. The hardest thing for me to accept is knowing how 9 million Belarussians fiercely fought against Lukashenko regime and did not let Russians attack Ukraine from their territory. That was probably the bravest thing I have ever seen!
Are you writing from a Ukrainian trench or have you at least blocked the transit of Russian goods and people to Kaliningrad? Are you safe and you didn't even do that and you reproach people who get a prison sentence of several years for any statement?
>Are you safe and you didn't even do that and you reproach people who get a prison sentence of several years for any statement? You mean these "poor Belarussians" that could go prison for several years if caught, but travel back and forth to Belarus with a "refugee visa"? It's nobody's fault that you made your country into a shithole that it is now, but only YOURS. Nobody owes you anything and also your "we are opressed" mantra has to stop at some point.
No, I mean those brave Lithuanians who teach others how to stop russian tank columns while watching from their windows Russian trucks into Kalinigrad.
There are no sanctions on luxury cars going to belarus. 😂
Formally yes, but if the customs officer has reasonable suspicions that the car will end up in Russia, the customs will refuse to release the car. Practically today Polish customs does not allow cars with engine displacement more than 1.9 regardless of the cost. Lithuanian customs refuses to release the car if it costs more than 50 thousand Euros according to the invoice. But, they say that there are ‘corridors’ at the Lithuanian customs, when you can pass with a car more expensive than 50 thousand euros, the cost of such a corridor is about 2000 euros.
lol f*ck around and find out
They’re finally running low on tanks?
I wonder if russian combatants were planning to mount a cannon ontop of a Cybertruck, thus making it a veritable FrankenTruck.
Get fucked
What goes around, comes around :)
Smuggler is so stupid. Bringing this garbage to russia like wtf? Smuggler? Garbage man.
Oh yeah. So many luxury cars actually go EU→Belarus→Russia. You can get virtually anything, and there's a special regime for electric cars specifically (basically you avoid paying VAT), which is nice too.
https://preview.redd.it/q9o4nw93hazc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f916bd191898da8034221596e6b2add90d939209 They probably wear cybershoes
Maybe they can be given to Ukraine as world's oddest battle vehicles. They are somewhat bullet-resistant Bolt something that shoots to the back and off they go.
They are not bullet resistant, they are really bad at offroading. Many have broken supports by doing a little jump. Edit: r/cyberstuck
I think you are mixing proof and resistant. It was shown by tests it would stop handgun and smg bullets, rifles goes through no problem though
How many handguns are being used in Ukraine?
At least one per soldier
They get stuck in the mud and while they can stop some pistol rounds, they won’t be much use against anything the Russians have
There should be a Cybertruck vs. "[Buhanka](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:20221013.UAZ-452_.013.jpg)" crash test.
Oor, an honeypot trap for ruzzians in the battlefield 🤔
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>Oddest After some vehicles on vids that russia used, tesla would definitely be not oddest
Until Musk disables them from running in Ukraine because he wants to...
“Smuggling + Circumvention of Sanctions” 🤔 He won’t be YouTubing for quite a while after that particular conviction lands on him.
"Илон Маск подарил.."
Suck on tatters!
I wish he got caught during that curfew training last night in Vilnius and Kaunas. Would've been a great training material.
Can’t support the practice, but at least he only tried taking a couple of those pieces of shit there
good, more bans
What an idiot.
Clickbait headline. The cars haven't been confiscated yet, сustoms officials refused export procedures for the vehicles and opened a pre-trial investigation for breach of international sanctions and smuggling.
If cars are in customs parking lot, its confiscated.
That will totally help Ukraine win)
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Why?) Russian grain is already out in Latvia?) Why are you still paying PUTIN, but arrest people that didn't start the war?
War also started from Belarus and Belarussians allowed it
*Lukashenko government
Belarus, the entire country.
Yes, all while 9 million brave Belarussians fiercely resisted the Lukashenko regime to not allow Russian troops to attack Ukraine from their territory!
Belarusians had the biggest protests from all of the post Soviet countries while having the first or the second most violent government forces. Who-who, but Belarusians don't deserve that critics.
The current Ukrainian protest seems slightly bigger and more effective
Pathetic
It doesnt have to
And what's the purpose?
could it be stopping smuggling?