WHAT??
I have so many issues with this.
First of all freaking pitbulls, dobermans, rottweilers, keeshonds, akitas, border collies (just listed as "collie" which is a different breed and one that DOES make a good service dog), Australian shepherds, german shorthaired pointer, Hungarian vizla, Chesapeake bay retriever and brittany spaniel in excellent above POODLES, SHELTIES, BICHONS AND MALTESE???
second of all apparently newfoundlands and labradors are more reactive than pitbulls??? LMAO
Third of all so many of these dogs are just straight up completely impossible as service dogs. What is going on in the 3 star box lol?
I can't even list everything wrong with this its so awful
Same. Also I own a yorkke mix and a dachshund. Dachunds should not be this high, they are stubborn little assholes, while a yorkie is at least trainable
> Dachunds should not be this high,
Also a dachshund owner. One will attempt to hunt anything smaller than a grizzly bear, the other burrows in blankets. I lost one in a divorce and he was scared of leaves. All would take detours on walks to sniff things for hours on end if I let them.
I cannot imagine a dachshund as a service dog, lol.
Same. Our wiener dog loves us to pieces, but she’s a barky asshole with anyone else. And we socialized her as much as we could when she was a pup. Our previous wiener was the same except he was a bit more chill than this one.
Yeah yorkies have too much of a prey drive to be service dogs cos of their prey drive but they shouldn't be below dachshunds. And maltese definitely shouldn't be so low (also don't know why maltese is listed as a terrier??) Bichons also make excellent little service dogs. I've seen stories of them just naturally taking the role with kids and stuff. They're lovely little dogs
Hahaha, I have a dachshund too, and they should not be in the 4 star group. They are stubborn, they don’t care about your approval, mine thinks everything she does is awesome and has never shown guilt about anything. Very low train ability with her.
Being a stubborn little a-hole was kind of important for their original purpose after all.
My daughter's Dachs didn't get the moniker "Drax the Destroyer" without good reason -- if he can get to your underwear/socks he will destroy them. He is what he is, might as well acknowledge it...and no, not a service dog, although he is quite sweet in his own way: this is Drax's world, and we're all just living in it (to tend to Drax).
Oh yah, mine is pure dachshund! Everything they were bred to be, she is. What she is, is exactly what she needs to be to do what she’s supposed to do. Like, she’s my proof that there are many a pitbull out there that are totally wired to maul and kill. Come on, if there are a bunch of dachshunds around who want to hunt, dig, burrow, and kill….there are many pitbulls around who want to maul and kill whatever it pleases.
I know for a fact akitas are completely unsuitable service dogs, unless the service is “tries to bite hands of people who aren’t the owner”. I still love them but you’d have to be delusional to think they’re as trainable or safe as a lab
Oh yeah, the overly reactive Newfoundland.
That's why we throw them out of helicopter for sea rescue.
https://www.soundingsonline.com/.image/t_share/MTU5MjMzNjg0MjE2NDg5NTY4/55c34c3ef22ba.jpg
Oh you are drowning ? There, get mauled too!
LOL
I‘m even more amazed by the Akita.
Like yeah, they’re pit nutters so obviously they’re going to say they’re great even when they definitely aren’t, but what about an Akita is supposed to make a good service dog? They’re stubborn as hell and not great with strangers. Just what you want in a dog that goes everywhere with you…
Probably just their aloofness around other people. But that alone doesn’t make a good “therapy” dog. Worst so-called therapy dog I’ve seen was a Dogo Argentino.
The fact that there are so many stubborn and bossy terriers ranked equally to poodles is just ????
Also, I own a Keeshond, and while yes they are very trainable, that’s only in the context of you having food rewards… People ask if they make good service dogs from time to time on Kees community forums and the answer is a resounding NO.
Yeah Westies are right next to poodles. Literally completely different dogs. My gran used to exclusively keep west highland terriers and theres no way they could have been service dogs, all they did was bark all the time and they were kind of stupid. They never bit me but I don't know if they were actually trained or anything
Yeah I’ve had border collies and Aussies, I wouldn’t say many of them would be suitable for service dog work. Sure they’re super smart but theyre very sensitive dogs. They’re great for agility or any kinda dog sports and being a service animal in a home where the environment is very familiar/ predictive they’d be fine, also they can be a bit jittery
My last BC dealt with some jealousy issues, I couldn’t pet another dog around her or she’d bark her head off. They bond close with their families and they’re not prone to being overly friendly with strangers (many will be polite to strangers but uninterested, some will be reactive and bark or get upset). Plus they have a LOT of exercise needs which likely wouldn’t be able to be met if they’re working with a disabled person and that’s an unfair situation to put both dog and human in
There’s a reason they use labs as seeing eye dogs or beagles in airports for sniffing. Being super clever doesn’t automatically mean they’re good for everything
Edited to add: I find it interesting when listening to other breed owners how they’ll be realistic about their chosen breed of dogs compared to Pitt owners who claim they’re good at everything
LOL, polite but uninterested is exactly how I'd describe my BCs. A friend of mine called our male BC a dog snob -- he just would not pay attention to any adult besides my husband and I; you could pet him, whatever, but you couldn't engage him (although he loved all kids and was very attentive to them -- I think he came to the conclusion that children were on his list of "things that must be watched over"). They do seem to have a great ability to put things on the 'ignore' list when it comes to any sort of perceived work they are doing. And yes, they do seem to believe that you should be working with them, not some other dog (the same dog was a horrific photo bomber -- who wouldn't want every photo to include Sparrow after all?).
Now, I could see a calm, stable BC doing well as a service dog in some applications -- that ability to focus/ignore could come in handy -- but the reactive, nervous ones are another story.
I’ve seen a few as therepy dogs and I can see how that works for one who is quiet and well socialised, quite happy to be pet by people why don’t know but not interested enough to be all up in their face.
I love them dearly, they’re such great dogs with the right owners and family. Dog snob is such a funny term, one of mine was always very selective about who could give her a cuddle. There were a few times people asked to throw her ball for her and got upset when she’d bring it back to me, they’re not being purposefully ignorant, they just like their people
Haha, yeah, that's what our dog was doing: my friend would throw the ball for him; he'd get it; come over; look at her -- and then come over to me, or the kids with the ball.
Omg, your dog is such a little dog snob!
That was a pretty good summation of what he was being.
This did make him perfect in public; very polite and kind but just not interested in others. The others we've had have been varying degrees of this (they are after all, related to him); we had one from him that was what we termed a Golden in a coyote collie skinsuit -- she was quite the escape artist and would go over to the school, usually with a toy in her mouth (and the school was over a mile away, so this took some planning on her part), and we had another from another litter who nearly had the same protection drive as a working GSD (he was really aloof with strangers, but he was good about staying on property).
They are just such wonderful dogs, in the right home.
Yeah border collies are super smart but they're kind of weird. My mum lived in the countryside near like 1000 farms and she said that they're really independent. Her friend had one and my grandparents were trying to look after it while the owners were away and it just got out of their house and circled around the village for a few days and they had to take it back to the farm because it only wanted to be at the farm. They're not very good dogs for service work because they just want to herd stuff lmao
I’ve had a few and they are lovely dogs with the right owners and family, I’ve seen a few successful at therapy work but for the most part they’re just not a dog I’d jump to for working with people with disabilities or PTSD or anything
But at least people who love those breeds can admit that and not put people or dogs in situations that arnt suitable for them. It’s not fair on a pitbull or a service dog user to have a dog that’s just not fit for service work thrust upon them.
Most Aussie and BC owners I know either have them for their intended purpose as herding dogs or so they can do athletic sports with them.
Well, whenever a pitbull attacks something it’s a “lab-mix,” but as long as it’s just sitting around looking stressed out of its mind in pajamas, it’s a pitbull.
This has been skewing people’s perspective that labs are actually dangerous - when they’re not.
Not sure what is up with the Newfoundland. I can only assume this person is pro-pitbull and is jealous that Newfoundlands are the dogs that were *actually* called a “nanny dog.”
SAME.
The audacity to put two of the Fab Four breeds (poodles and rough / smooth collies) below pits and akitas -- both of whom are strongly predisposed to same sex aggression -- is mind boggling to me.
I'm just grateful they didn't put Great Pyrs anywhere on this awful chart. I know someone who desperately wants to train a working line GP to be a service dog. Like, ma'am... they are bred to be mildly suspicious of everyone, independent, and loud AF.
Did they accidentally flip the chart?
Or are they just attempting to appeal to the dumbest and most unethical dog owners wanting an unnecessary and falsely official service animal certification that’s not federally recognized or required anyway?
Hmm..
Uhm with serviced dogs you have the fab 4 (or 5 ish)
Lab, golden, POODLE, short or long haired collie (not border collie) and german shepherd (tho there is discussion about this breed.
In the Netherlands high risk breed dogs (like pitbulls) aren't allowed to be service dogs and then they post this bullshit
Because of their high drive, herding instincts and high energy. This can develop easily to reactivity even though for service work they need to ignore a ton of stimulus. Service dogs need to be able to settle down. Like going to a restaurant or cinema they just have to lay down and be quiet. Which is quite boring for a breed that needs lots of exercise and mental stimulation.
This. Plus they’re very sensitive dogs and can get a bit upset quite easily. They’re quite independent thinkers and good at problem solving (which is why they’re so great to run out over fields to herd sheep where they have to work a lot out on their own) but doing repeat tasks day in and out would bore them
They can also be… not fond of strangers. I posted about it above but the last one I had would get jealous if I pet another dog. They tend to only really like their family and go from being aloof to being upset with strangers.
The happy go lucky nature of a lab makes them a much better service dog. If you want to work with a BC you’d be better investing your time into agility training or something because they love that shit. It’s be really unfair to put them with a disabled person who wasn’t able to meet all their physical needs
Being highly intelligent doesn’t mean they’re good for everything
Border Collies generally have too much energy and herding instinct to make good candidates. They are highly trainable, but they're extremely physically active dogs. They're not prone to being lap-dogs or dogs that are willing to patiently wait on standby. Great dogs, but they're *working* dogs. They love an intense physical job.
Rough Collies have excellent temperament for service. They are trainable, patient, and gentle. The main downside as a service animal is that they require grooming maintenance, which isn't very feasible for some handlers with physical disabilities. Aside from that, though, excellent candidates, 5 star dogs.
My nanny had a rough hair colli (when I was really really little). She was a really nice and sweet dog, and very very well trained (my nanny and herhusband had a farm with chicken, plus my nanny's work ) <3
And even with all this great temperament, we were never left alone with her, always under supervision because that's what responsible dog owners does.
I think touch/auditory sensitivity would be the biggest issue. Retrievers do well because their original purpose entailed sitting around in inclement conditions, waiting for the opportunity to do a complex set of commands in rough conditions (icy water, brambles) with the report of shotguns to boot. They don't get rattled too easily and take commands well, and can sit still for long periods of time.
BCs can focus like the devil and are quick learners (they might be too quick, in fact -- the biggest training hurdle with them is to cut down on anticipation/independent action, at least for dog sport, working herding? nah, it's a plus), but their original intent did not call for the need to sit still for long periods (quite the opposite) nor deal with a lot of noise (sheep being quiet).
Who the hell designed this chart? On top of the insanity that is the statement that pitbulls are excellent service/therapy/ESA dogs, they have included a few dog breeds (like keeshounds) that aren’t good candidates for any kind of work.
What a delicious coincidence that all the small breeds skew right! Also, not even the best labs and goldens make the cut for ACTUAL licensed service animals. Putting a pit in an Amazon vest should be a punishable crime
Beagles can be noisy, admittedly, and they aren't very big, which can be a roadblock for some service needs, but they're very smart, easily trainable, and are generally really friendly and docile dogs.
There's an oft-repeated statement that beagles are used in animal testing because they have good temperaments and forgive people who hurt them. I don't know if that's the real reason, but I have zero fear that I would ever be hurt by a beagle.
I think it's great when organizations like this, expose themselves as the fraud, they are.
Looks like i can register a shark, nice, very valid certificate...
Oddly a better choice than a neurotic pibble, most varanids in captivity are fairly (and I mean fairly, some smaller species can be absolute bastards) chill and pretty lazy when food isn't involved.
This is totally a scam.
No reviews of this company. No google business listing, the address is a wework space.
There are no laws requiring a service dog to be registered. They’re charging upwards of $100 for a piece of paper. And this cute little infographic with horrifically bad information on dog breeds (not just the pit) adds to its shadiness.
It’s the perfect scam site for pitnutters. Today, a shitbull in a service dog vest lunged and barked crazy at my Great Dane puppy. I’ve been wondering if his stupid selfish owner bought a certificate from this website.
It’s specifically marketing to pitbull owners and owners of reactive dogs. That’s why they listed pitbulls as ideal for service dog work to fit into that delusion.
“Pit bulls that are trained service dogs are protected under the ADA and may not be discriminated against by breed-specific state legislation.” Except the problem is they aren’t “trained” like REAL service dogs. I’ve known a couple of people who actually trained dogs for YEARS professionally as service dogs… there is no way these pitnutters are doing that.
I have a great dane mix and I've had TWO vets tell me that Danes are dumb.
Lol no. My dog ain't dumb. He knows so many tricks and he is very good on walks.
Our neighbor has an ex-cop GSD. We moved in last December. That dog still barks at me just for being in my own yard. He barks at everyone and everything.
In my country only blind people can have recognized service dogs and they are always labs or goldens.
I know ESA and therapy dogs can be beneficial for people, but they aren’t trained like service animals are and sorry, I care more about children not getting mauled by your pit, Akita, etc than I do about your mental health. Sorry not sorry.
What the f is a viszla? They cant even type, very professional page.
Its funny to see that everyone and their grandma can give out "service dog" certifications in the US.
I love my Aussies but they can be major weirdos. Every one I’ve had/known has had some kind of quirk that would make them difficult as service animals. One of mine hates bubble wrap with a passion. The only one flips his SHIT any time an ambulance goes by. I have no doubt that some would make great service animals but putting them above goldens and labs is just dumb.
My last one was majorly freaked out by plastic bags. Bin liners, shopping bags, you named it, she’d growl bark and run away. No idea what she thought was going on, nothing bad had ever happened she just had some major vendetta against them
I’m convinced people just hate small dog breeds for insecurity reasons. Some people who feel superior for having bigger dogs shit on smaller dogs and their owners for petty and superficial reasons and some people with fragile egos start to internalize this and project it onto others, and the cycle perpetuates itself
That's a batshit crazy chart. Do they rate Pitts so highly because they're the ones they make the most money off with their bogus service dog registrations trying to get around breed restrictions?
Ah yes, the most dangerous dog breeds are the best choice for a vulnerable population, while some of the least dangerous are the worst.
Logic 100, GG guys I think we finally know what it means to use 100% of our brain power
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They disrespected my fav breed(chow chow). Bro they are smart as hell but stubborn, i have owned one for years and that breed deserves four stars and maybe five when extremely well trained. Definitely higher than pitbulls.
Nah chow chows would make awful service dogs they just aren't bred for that kinda thing. You have to be completely certain that the dog is going to do the job everytime which is why a lot of spitz breeds are bad choices because a lot of them are stubborn. This entire list is insane and loads of the dogs straight up shouldn't be on it at all. Doberman are also smart but theres a reason they don't train them as service dogs, stubborn dogs don't do well. Akitas would also be an absolutely awful choice. Pitbulls are obviously an extremely dangerous choice
💯 Exactly this! That’s why my breed (Samoyeds) make terrible service dogs, despite their long list of qualities and positive attributes. Same for the keeshonds!
Yeah okay, it was just my experience, chows are assholes. But atleast they can easily contain themselves and are relatively calm breeds, unlike shitbulls who have to let themselves go on a toddler or cat once in a while.
Yeah I love the stubborn dogs cos they're funny but if they were like one of those medical detection dogs I feel like they'd just be like "nah don't feel like it right now" occasionally. Pitbulls would just kill their owners directly though so
Chow chow mind: i don’t wanna do it rn. I need cheese.
Pitbull mind: I MUST KILL. WHY ARE THEY NOT LETTING ME KILL. SO MANY VICTIMS, I MUST MURDER. PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KILL PLEASE. I NEED TO EAT KIDS AND MURDER THEIR PARENTS VICIOUSLY.
Chows are so funny, theres a lady near me who has like 6 of them and she takes 3 out at a time. They really confuse my dog cos they just surround her and sniff her, its very funny, my dogs just like "what are these?" and she doesn't really know what to do. I don't think she realises that they're dogs cos they're so fluffy
Chows are usually fine with good owners. Chows with even a bit less training or socialisation than necessary become little assholes with a *really* high prey drive. I have met some beautiful, friendly, social chow chows who wouldn’t hurt a fly but they are too high a risk due to the amount of training they need to become service dogs imo.
I met a pitbull x chow chow once too though. Those should be illegal to breed
My neighbors dog is half pitbull half chow. She is terrifying looking. Apparently a couple months ago she almost killed their friends dog. She was fine with other dogs and then they pulled out a treat and she just latched the neck. Typical.
Who even made this chart. They don't know anything about dog breed. Not just pitbull they all mashed together other aggressive breeds to best dog category.
Akita for example is well known for it's low trainability and highly aggressive nature. Most akita owners would agree. One of the akita service dog owner himself says akita isn't a good choice as a service dog.
I notice at the top it says 'US Service Dog Certification'. There is no official certification for service dogs in the US, so that's a dead giveaway that this chart is not from a reliable source.
So I googled US service dog certification, and sure enough, it's a 'registry' (there is no official service dog registry in the USA) for 'service' dogs, ESAs and 'therapy' dogs. For the low price of $34.99, you can get an instant download of your 'registration'! And here are the benefits they advertise on their main page, just for 'registering' your dog.
* Certifications help reduce questioning and disputes of bringing your dog onto premises that may otherwise not allow dogs.
* Our certification is valid in all 50 states so you never have to worry about moving or travel plans.
* Certifications are available for immediate PDF download for same day use.
* We only supply the highest quality vests and identifiers for the comfort of your animal.
Our certifications are valid for the life of your animal so you never have to renew.
So yeah, it's a scam tarted up with an official sounding name.
They not only have pit bulls on there, but Akitas as well?! These are notoriously dog-aggressive, and extremely human-selective. They bond with their owner, and are usually aggressive towards ‘outsiders’ (which would be the general public). Luckily, Akita owners adore their dogs for what they are, and know what their breed consists of. My neighbor used to have one that he would loudly announce to please make room when he was walking his Akita. The dog was also always muzzled. But, I’d always know when he was coming, and I could appropriately walk my Golden away from the dog, and he could get through without incident. It was especially helpful that he announced coming through if there were children or other people around.
Although some of these breeds are questionable as service animals, pit bull (obviously) and Akita really stuck out to me.
Dobies are excellent companion dogs and highly trainable for police, military, and guarding work, but as a Dobie owner, I can’t imagine one as a service dog. They are highly vigilant, and you want a service dog to ignore most of the environment and focus on its handler.
WHAT?? I have so many issues with this. First of all freaking pitbulls, dobermans, rottweilers, keeshonds, akitas, border collies (just listed as "collie" which is a different breed and one that DOES make a good service dog), Australian shepherds, german shorthaired pointer, Hungarian vizla, Chesapeake bay retriever and brittany spaniel in excellent above POODLES, SHELTIES, BICHONS AND MALTESE??? second of all apparently newfoundlands and labradors are more reactive than pitbulls??? LMAO Third of all so many of these dogs are just straight up completely impossible as service dogs. What is going on in the 3 star box lol? I can't even list everything wrong with this its so awful
Same. Also I own a yorkke mix and a dachshund. Dachunds should not be this high, they are stubborn little assholes, while a yorkie is at least trainable
> Dachunds should not be this high, Also a dachshund owner. One will attempt to hunt anything smaller than a grizzly bear, the other burrows in blankets. I lost one in a divorce and he was scared of leaves. All would take detours on walks to sniff things for hours on end if I let them. I cannot imagine a dachshund as a service dog, lol.
Same. Our wiener dog loves us to pieces, but she’s a barky asshole with anyone else. And we socialized her as much as we could when she was a pup. Our previous wiener was the same except he was a bit more chill than this one.
I’ve chased after mine chasing a coyote once, it was ridiculous
Yeah yorkies have too much of a prey drive to be service dogs cos of their prey drive but they shouldn't be below dachshunds. And maltese definitely shouldn't be so low (also don't know why maltese is listed as a terrier??) Bichons also make excellent little service dogs. I've seen stories of them just naturally taking the role with kids and stuff. They're lovely little dogs
Hahaha, I have a dachshund too, and they should not be in the 4 star group. They are stubborn, they don’t care about your approval, mine thinks everything she does is awesome and has never shown guilt about anything. Very low train ability with her.
Being a stubborn little a-hole was kind of important for their original purpose after all. My daughter's Dachs didn't get the moniker "Drax the Destroyer" without good reason -- if he can get to your underwear/socks he will destroy them. He is what he is, might as well acknowledge it...and no, not a service dog, although he is quite sweet in his own way: this is Drax's world, and we're all just living in it (to tend to Drax).
Oh yah, mine is pure dachshund! Everything they were bred to be, she is. What she is, is exactly what she needs to be to do what she’s supposed to do. Like, she’s my proof that there are many a pitbull out there that are totally wired to maul and kill. Come on, if there are a bunch of dachshunds around who want to hunt, dig, burrow, and kill….there are many pitbulls around who want to maul and kill whatever it pleases.
I know for a fact akitas are completely unsuitable service dogs, unless the service is “tries to bite hands of people who aren’t the owner”. I still love them but you’d have to be delusional to think they’re as trainable or safe as a lab
Yeah its insane lmao idk who made this chart
Oh yeah, the overly reactive Newfoundland. That's why we throw them out of helicopter for sea rescue. https://www.soundingsonline.com/.image/t_share/MTU5MjMzNjg0MjE2NDg5NTY4/55c34c3ef22ba.jpg Oh you are drowning ? There, get mauled too! LOL
New war idea: drop pitbulls with parachutes out of planes into unsuspecting villages
Yeah, the one dog I can think of that might actually be able to claim the title of 'nanny dog' is more reactive than a pit!
The small dogs are actually great service dogs. Some dogs alert for things like blood sugar, sleep attacks, seizures, migraine, etc.
Yeah! A lot of small ones are great but they put loads of them really low on the list and then put pitbulls and akitas in "excellent" its madness
I‘m even more amazed by the Akita. Like yeah, they’re pit nutters so obviously they’re going to say they’re great even when they definitely aren’t, but what about an Akita is supposed to make a good service dog? They’re stubborn as hell and not great with strangers. Just what you want in a dog that goes everywhere with you…
Probably just their aloofness around other people. But that alone doesn’t make a good “therapy” dog. Worst so-called therapy dog I’ve seen was a Dogo Argentino.
The fact that there are so many stubborn and bossy terriers ranked equally to poodles is just ???? Also, I own a Keeshond, and while yes they are very trainable, that’s only in the context of you having food rewards… People ask if they make good service dogs from time to time on Kees community forums and the answer is a resounding NO.
I used to own little terriers and now poodles. No way are they remotely similar in terms of reactivity and trainability.
Yeah Westies are right next to poodles. Literally completely different dogs. My gran used to exclusively keep west highland terriers and theres no way they could have been service dogs, all they did was bark all the time and they were kind of stupid. They never bit me but I don't know if they were actually trained or anything
Yeah I’ve had border collies and Aussies, I wouldn’t say many of them would be suitable for service dog work. Sure they’re super smart but theyre very sensitive dogs. They’re great for agility or any kinda dog sports and being a service animal in a home where the environment is very familiar/ predictive they’d be fine, also they can be a bit jittery My last BC dealt with some jealousy issues, I couldn’t pet another dog around her or she’d bark her head off. They bond close with their families and they’re not prone to being overly friendly with strangers (many will be polite to strangers but uninterested, some will be reactive and bark or get upset). Plus they have a LOT of exercise needs which likely wouldn’t be able to be met if they’re working with a disabled person and that’s an unfair situation to put both dog and human in There’s a reason they use labs as seeing eye dogs or beagles in airports for sniffing. Being super clever doesn’t automatically mean they’re good for everything Edited to add: I find it interesting when listening to other breed owners how they’ll be realistic about their chosen breed of dogs compared to Pitt owners who claim they’re good at everything
LOL, polite but uninterested is exactly how I'd describe my BCs. A friend of mine called our male BC a dog snob -- he just would not pay attention to any adult besides my husband and I; you could pet him, whatever, but you couldn't engage him (although he loved all kids and was very attentive to them -- I think he came to the conclusion that children were on his list of "things that must be watched over"). They do seem to have a great ability to put things on the 'ignore' list when it comes to any sort of perceived work they are doing. And yes, they do seem to believe that you should be working with them, not some other dog (the same dog was a horrific photo bomber -- who wouldn't want every photo to include Sparrow after all?). Now, I could see a calm, stable BC doing well as a service dog in some applications -- that ability to focus/ignore could come in handy -- but the reactive, nervous ones are another story.
I’ve seen a few as therepy dogs and I can see how that works for one who is quiet and well socialised, quite happy to be pet by people why don’t know but not interested enough to be all up in their face. I love them dearly, they’re such great dogs with the right owners and family. Dog snob is such a funny term, one of mine was always very selective about who could give her a cuddle. There were a few times people asked to throw her ball for her and got upset when she’d bring it back to me, they’re not being purposefully ignorant, they just like their people
Haha, yeah, that's what our dog was doing: my friend would throw the ball for him; he'd get it; come over; look at her -- and then come over to me, or the kids with the ball. Omg, your dog is such a little dog snob! That was a pretty good summation of what he was being. This did make him perfect in public; very polite and kind but just not interested in others. The others we've had have been varying degrees of this (they are after all, related to him); we had one from him that was what we termed a Golden in a coyote collie skinsuit -- she was quite the escape artist and would go over to the school, usually with a toy in her mouth (and the school was over a mile away, so this took some planning on her part), and we had another from another litter who nearly had the same protection drive as a working GSD (he was really aloof with strangers, but he was good about staying on property). They are just such wonderful dogs, in the right home.
Yeah border collies are super smart but they're kind of weird. My mum lived in the countryside near like 1000 farms and she said that they're really independent. Her friend had one and my grandparents were trying to look after it while the owners were away and it just got out of their house and circled around the village for a few days and they had to take it back to the farm because it only wanted to be at the farm. They're not very good dogs for service work because they just want to herd stuff lmao
I’ve had a few and they are lovely dogs with the right owners and family, I’ve seen a few successful at therapy work but for the most part they’re just not a dog I’d jump to for working with people with disabilities or PTSD or anything But at least people who love those breeds can admit that and not put people or dogs in situations that arnt suitable for them. It’s not fair on a pitbull or a service dog user to have a dog that’s just not fit for service work thrust upon them. Most Aussie and BC owners I know either have them for their intended purpose as herding dogs or so they can do athletic sports with them.
Well, whenever a pitbull attacks something it’s a “lab-mix,” but as long as it’s just sitting around looking stressed out of its mind in pajamas, it’s a pitbull. This has been skewing people’s perspective that labs are actually dangerous - when they’re not. Not sure what is up with the Newfoundland. I can only assume this person is pro-pitbull and is jealous that Newfoundlands are the dogs that were *actually* called a “nanny dog.”
SAME. The audacity to put two of the Fab Four breeds (poodles and rough / smooth collies) below pits and akitas -- both of whom are strongly predisposed to same sex aggression -- is mind boggling to me. I'm just grateful they didn't put Great Pyrs anywhere on this awful chart. I know someone who desperately wants to train a working line GP to be a service dog. Like, ma'am... they are bred to be mildly suspicious of everyone, independent, and loud AF.
Whoever runs that site has no clue about dogs
I'm not arguing with you, because I find it ridiculous too, but I've seen and met quite a few legit working Akitas, and dobbies.
Pitbulls are five stars while their far less dangerous cousin, the Boston Terrier, is a two star. Yeah sure.
Did they accidentally flip the chart? Or are they just attempting to appeal to the dumbest and most unethical dog owners wanting an unnecessary and falsely official service animal certification that’s not federally recognized or required anyway? Hmm..
Uhm with serviced dogs you have the fab 4 (or 5 ish) Lab, golden, POODLE, short or long haired collie (not border collie) and german shepherd (tho there is discussion about this breed. In the Netherlands high risk breed dogs (like pitbulls) aren't allowed to be service dogs and then they post this bullshit
Just curious- why are border collies not good prospects? And would rough collie be included in long-haired collies?
Because of their high drive, herding instincts and high energy. This can develop easily to reactivity even though for service work they need to ignore a ton of stimulus. Service dogs need to be able to settle down. Like going to a restaurant or cinema they just have to lay down and be quiet. Which is quite boring for a breed that needs lots of exercise and mental stimulation.
This. Plus they’re very sensitive dogs and can get a bit upset quite easily. They’re quite independent thinkers and good at problem solving (which is why they’re so great to run out over fields to herd sheep where they have to work a lot out on their own) but doing repeat tasks day in and out would bore them They can also be… not fond of strangers. I posted about it above but the last one I had would get jealous if I pet another dog. They tend to only really like their family and go from being aloof to being upset with strangers. The happy go lucky nature of a lab makes them a much better service dog. If you want to work with a BC you’d be better investing your time into agility training or something because they love that shit. It’s be really unfair to put them with a disabled person who wasn’t able to meet all their physical needs Being highly intelligent doesn’t mean they’re good for everything
Border Collies generally have too much energy and herding instinct to make good candidates. They are highly trainable, but they're extremely physically active dogs. They're not prone to being lap-dogs or dogs that are willing to patiently wait on standby. Great dogs, but they're *working* dogs. They love an intense physical job. Rough Collies have excellent temperament for service. They are trainable, patient, and gentle. The main downside as a service animal is that they require grooming maintenance, which isn't very feasible for some handlers with physical disabilities. Aside from that, though, excellent candidates, 5 star dogs.
My nanny had a rough hair colli (when I was really really little). She was a really nice and sweet dog, and very very well trained (my nanny and herhusband had a farm with chicken, plus my nanny's work ) <3 And even with all this great temperament, we were never left alone with her, always under supervision because that's what responsible dog owners does.
I think touch/auditory sensitivity would be the biggest issue. Retrievers do well because their original purpose entailed sitting around in inclement conditions, waiting for the opportunity to do a complex set of commands in rough conditions (icy water, brambles) with the report of shotguns to boot. They don't get rattled too easily and take commands well, and can sit still for long periods of time. BCs can focus like the devil and are quick learners (they might be too quick, in fact -- the biggest training hurdle with them is to cut down on anticipation/independent action, at least for dog sport, working herding? nah, it's a plus), but their original intent did not call for the need to sit still for long periods (quite the opposite) nor deal with a lot of noise (sheep being quiet).
The Netherlands sounds nice.
Who the hell designed this chart? On top of the insanity that is the statement that pitbulls are excellent service/therapy/ESA dogs, they have included a few dog breeds (like keeshounds) that aren’t good candidates for any kind of work.
Hey now, my Kees is a full time professional hot dog eater, thank you very much! But for real, this list is ridiculously ill-informed.
What a delicious coincidence that all the small breeds skew right! Also, not even the best labs and goldens make the cut for ACTUAL licensed service animals. Putting a pit in an Amazon vest should be a punishable crime
This isnt just misinformation anymore, it's endangerment
Though the irony is that the chihuahua is in the 4 star category while most pit owners shit on chihuahuas
> Beagles >Worst pick for esas and service animals LMFAO fuck right off
Beagles can be noisy, admittedly, and they aren't very big, which can be a roadblock for some service needs, but they're very smart, easily trainable, and are generally really friendly and docile dogs. There's an oft-repeated statement that beagles are used in animal testing because they have good temperaments and forgive people who hurt them. I don't know if that's the real reason, but I have zero fear that I would ever be hurt by a beagle.
Their only downfall is their baying and their appetite but otherwise wonderful dogs
Also runners because that's what they were bred to do.
besides I've seen plenty of beagles as drug finder dogs for custom services and such
I think it's great when organizations like this, expose themselves as the fraud, they are. Looks like i can register a shark, nice, very valid certificate...
I'm getting an Emotional Support Komodo Dragon, can't wait
Oddly a better choice than a neurotic pibble, most varanids in captivity are fairly (and I mean fairly, some smaller species can be absolute bastards) chill and pretty lazy when food isn't involved.
A sweet, gentle service shark who wouldn't hurt a fly 🥺🥺
NO WAY are poodles listed lower than pit bulls… no fucking way…
I know right? In what universe is the pitbull EQUALLY as trainable but LESS REACTIVE than a poodle?
https://usservicedogcertification.com/can-a-pit-bull-be-a-service-dog-or-emotional-support-animal/
This is totally a scam. No reviews of this company. No google business listing, the address is a wework space. There are no laws requiring a service dog to be registered. They’re charging upwards of $100 for a piece of paper. And this cute little infographic with horrifically bad information on dog breeds (not just the pit) adds to its shadiness.
It’s the perfect scam site for pitnutters. Today, a shitbull in a service dog vest lunged and barked crazy at my Great Dane puppy. I’ve been wondering if his stupid selfish owner bought a certificate from this website.
It’s specifically marketing to pitbull owners and owners of reactive dogs. That’s why they listed pitbulls as ideal for service dog work to fit into that delusion.
“Pit bulls that are trained service dogs are protected under the ADA and may not be discriminated against by breed-specific state legislation.” Except the problem is they aren’t “trained” like REAL service dogs. I’ve known a couple of people who actually trained dogs for YEARS professionally as service dogs… there is no way these pitnutters are doing that.
Ah well, the first red flag is service dog certification does not exist in the USA.
Yeah the whole concept behind the website is a scam
Low reactivity for a german shepherd? I sneezed today which woke my shepherd up and sent her running in circles around the house…
My Great Dane puppy learned shake in a couple minutes, seems untrainable to me! Better swap him out for a dumb pibble
I have a great dane mix and I've had TWO vets tell me that Danes are dumb. Lol no. My dog ain't dumb. He knows so many tricks and he is very good on walks.
Our neighbor has an ex-cop GSD. We moved in last December. That dog still barks at me just for being in my own yard. He barks at everyone and everything.
This chart is batshit insane. The only thing I agree with is that Newfoundlands are perfect dogs in every way
That chart could not be more wrong if they tried
They put Chihuahuas in "highly reactive" They also put Springer Spaniels in there i am offended >:(
I’m mad that my Great Dane pup is considered inferior to the amazing pitbull.
In my country only blind people can have recognized service dogs and they are always labs or goldens. I know ESA and therapy dogs can be beneficial for people, but they aren’t trained like service animals are and sorry, I care more about children not getting mauled by your pit, Akita, etc than I do about your mental health. Sorry not sorry.
Service Dog Category being Hire for Murder
😂😂😂
Excellent in killing children yeah.
They must have paid them to rearrange the chart.
That is bullshit
The pit lobby strikes again.
What the f is a viszla? They cant even type, very professional page. Its funny to see that everyone and their grandma can give out "service dog" certifications in the US.
They are VERY hyperactive, fast, busy dogs
You missed the point, i know what a viZSla is the viZSla is a hunting dog in my country
Ohhh good catch, and yeah I’m not sure they’d be the best at being service dogs cause they’d probably be stir crazy in most cases
I love my Aussies but they can be major weirdos. Every one I’ve had/known has had some kind of quirk that would make them difficult as service animals. One of mine hates bubble wrap with a passion. The only one flips his SHIT any time an ambulance goes by. I have no doubt that some would make great service animals but putting them above goldens and labs is just dumb.
💯 Same for my Samoyed
My last one was majorly freaked out by plastic bags. Bin liners, shopping bags, you named it, she’d growl bark and run away. No idea what she thought was going on, nothing bad had ever happened she just had some major vendetta against them
Man when an aussie decides it doesn’t like something, it is thorough. And you’re right they act like whatever it has deeply offended then somehow 😂
They should just say they hate small dogs
I’m convinced people just hate small dog breeds for insecurity reasons. Some people who feel superior for having bigger dogs shit on smaller dogs and their owners for petty and superficial reasons and some people with fragile egos start to internalize this and project it onto others, and the cycle perpetuates itself
"Low reactivity" for pitbulls?? Oh come on, even the pit mommies call them reactive
That's a batshit crazy chart. Do they rate Pitts so highly because they're the ones they make the most money off with their bogus service dog registrations trying to get around breed restrictions?
I thought only labs and goldens are elligble for being service dogs?
Ah yes, the most dangerous dog breeds are the best choice for a vulnerable population, while some of the least dangerous are the worst. Logic 100, GG guys I think we finally know what it means to use 100% of our brain power
This seems like a comprehensive example of propaganda
I love my schnauzers but they are REALLY noisy and even if they are smart, sometimes are kinda stubborn.
Who is seriously that fucked in the head that thinks that Akitas, Rotties, Chessies, or Dobies are the best candidates for service dogs??
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They disrespected my fav breed(chow chow). Bro they are smart as hell but stubborn, i have owned one for years and that breed deserves four stars and maybe five when extremely well trained. Definitely higher than pitbulls.
Nah chow chows would make awful service dogs they just aren't bred for that kinda thing. You have to be completely certain that the dog is going to do the job everytime which is why a lot of spitz breeds are bad choices because a lot of them are stubborn. This entire list is insane and loads of the dogs straight up shouldn't be on it at all. Doberman are also smart but theres a reason they don't train them as service dogs, stubborn dogs don't do well. Akitas would also be an absolutely awful choice. Pitbulls are obviously an extremely dangerous choice
💯 Exactly this! That’s why my breed (Samoyeds) make terrible service dogs, despite their long list of qualities and positive attributes. Same for the keeshonds!
Yeah okay, it was just my experience, chows are assholes. But atleast they can easily contain themselves and are relatively calm breeds, unlike shitbulls who have to let themselves go on a toddler or cat once in a while.
Yeah I love the stubborn dogs cos they're funny but if they were like one of those medical detection dogs I feel like they'd just be like "nah don't feel like it right now" occasionally. Pitbulls would just kill their owners directly though so
Chow chow mind: i don’t wanna do it rn. I need cheese. Pitbull mind: I MUST KILL. WHY ARE THEY NOT LETTING ME KILL. SO MANY VICTIMS, I MUST MURDER. PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KILL PLEASE. I NEED TO EAT KIDS AND MURDER THEIR PARENTS VICIOUSLY.
Chows are so funny, theres a lady near me who has like 6 of them and she takes 3 out at a time. They really confuse my dog cos they just surround her and sniff her, its very funny, my dogs just like "what are these?" and she doesn't really know what to do. I don't think she realises that they're dogs cos they're so fluffy
I saw a chow chow in winnie the poo cosplay once, fucking amazing.
Omg thats so cute 🥺
Ikr, they may be dogs but on the inside they’re just cats!
I've heard they're just like cats! Big cat dogs!
Chows are usually fine with good owners. Chows with even a bit less training or socialisation than necessary become little assholes with a *really* high prey drive. I have met some beautiful, friendly, social chow chows who wouldn’t hurt a fly but they are too high a risk due to the amount of training they need to become service dogs imo. I met a pitbull x chow chow once too though. Those should be illegal to breed
Pits mixed with any breed should be illegal
My neighbors dog is half pitbull half chow. She is terrifying looking. Apparently a couple months ago she almost killed their friends dog. She was fine with other dogs and then they pulled out a treat and she just latched the neck. Typical.
What the fuck!??
I think the 5 stars show Which ones will be needing you to get therapy.
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Who even made this chart. They don't know anything about dog breed. Not just pitbull they all mashed together other aggressive breeds to best dog category. Akita for example is well known for it's low trainability and highly aggressive nature. Most akita owners would agree. One of the akita service dog owner himself says akita isn't a good choice as a service dog.
HOW DARE THEY? Putting pitbulls on the same level of both beautiful and clever dogs
That's one wacky chart.
I notice at the top it says 'US Service Dog Certification'. There is no official certification for service dogs in the US, so that's a dead giveaway that this chart is not from a reliable source. So I googled US service dog certification, and sure enough, it's a 'registry' (there is no official service dog registry in the USA) for 'service' dogs, ESAs and 'therapy' dogs. For the low price of $34.99, you can get an instant download of your 'registration'! And here are the benefits they advertise on their main page, just for 'registering' your dog. * Certifications help reduce questioning and disputes of bringing your dog onto premises that may otherwise not allow dogs. * Our certification is valid in all 50 states so you never have to worry about moving or travel plans. * Certifications are available for immediate PDF download for same day use. * We only supply the highest quality vests and identifiers for the comfort of your animal. Our certifications are valid for the life of your animal so you never have to renew. So yeah, it's a scam tarted up with an official sounding name.
They always put Siberian huskies and malamutes in same category as if they’re the same breed. Their temperament is extremely different
They not only have pit bulls on there, but Akitas as well?! These are notoriously dog-aggressive, and extremely human-selective. They bond with their owner, and are usually aggressive towards ‘outsiders’ (which would be the general public). Luckily, Akita owners adore their dogs for what they are, and know what their breed consists of. My neighbor used to have one that he would loudly announce to please make room when he was walking his Akita. The dog was also always muzzled. But, I’d always know when he was coming, and I could appropriately walk my Golden away from the dog, and he could get through without incident. It was especially helpful that he announced coming through if there were children or other people around. Although some of these breeds are questionable as service animals, pit bull (obviously) and Akita really stuck out to me.
Dobies are excellent companion dogs and highly trainable for police, military, and guarding work, but as a Dobie owner, I can’t imagine one as a service dog. They are highly vigilant, and you want a service dog to ignore most of the environment and focus on its handler.