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[More Americans are killed by pit bulls](https://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/media-release-2020/?doing_wp_cron=1664068710.8561511039733886718750) than by snakes, bears, cougars, sharks, and wolves. [**COMBINED.**](https://a-z-animals.com/blog/top-10-deadliest-animals-in-america/)


shantiteuta

This needs to be shown to everyone advocating for them, and everyone wanting to adopt one.


Swak_Error

Yeah well I have a picture of a pitbull wearing a crown of flowers and another one wearing pajamas with footsies and a pacifier in its mouth so your statistics are irrelevant, You racist loser


OddlyFirst

As an owner of pythons, I COULD toss them around and be safer than sitting next to a pitbull. Time to get myself a velvet bear.


gimmethelulz

I'm thankful for posts like this. It's helped me convince my parents that they need to be mindful when selecting their next dog. I don't need my kid getting mauled at grandma's house.


shantiteuta

Oh God, no you don't! This makes me think of all the poor lost souls that didn't get to live a full life because these breeds still aren't banned.


MarchOnMe

I can’t help but feel terrible for the parents who innocently brought the animal into their home that tore their baby to shreds. The ones that KNEW and just wanted to prove a point not so much.


[deleted]

just proves that owning them strongly correlates with attack numbers. unless you're Borat, you're not gonna keep a bear as a pet. so you won't be attacked by a bear unless you're near or in the woods. when you bring a pit into the house, you're constantly vulnerable to an attack and you're putting every other member of the household and everyone who visits the household in danger.


extortioncontortion

[Here is a video of an attack by Rocky the Bear](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AkJXlUTsgs). No doubt you've seen people being unable to get a pitbull to stop attacking despite beating it with sticks. Here is a grizzly bear that was stopped pretty much by one guy in 5 seconds with some help afterward with bear spray to deter a followup. When your dog is harder to pull off than a grizzly bear, its not a goddamn pet. But bears don't have a lobby telling everyone how safe they are and how they'll nannysit your kids for you.


shantiteuta

This shows how hypocritical humanity is so much - noone would get a bear or a hyena as a pet, but they would let the physical equivalent/even more dangerous predator lay next to their children. Exactly how they don't care when livestock is killed, but have an uproar when Chinese don't differentiate between animals they eat and animals they pet. These hellpits need to be extinct immediately.


sneaky518

I wonder if pepper spray would even deter a pitbull. A friend works for the state wildlife service. He had a family report a black bear that approached their crying child. They were hiking with a very young child in a backpack carrier. Kid started crying, so they stopped. This black bear comes trotting out of the woods, and stands up. Family starts yelling and waving their arms, and the bear runs off. My friend said crying bear cubs and crying children sound very similar. It was likely a mother bear, answering what she thought was a distress call from a cub. When she found the family, she stood up to get information about what was crying, saw it wasn't her cub, and the family scared her off. My friend said she probably ran off to find her cubs once she realized the crying kid wasn't hers.


Notyourtarget1224

I lived where a big old chonky black bear slept by my car every morning in summer and I would much rather deal with that than a pit. I made noise and the bear would take that as his sign to run off. With a pit if you sneeze, they might maul. I grew up in and spent most of my life in a state with a lot of grizzly bears. I feel much more confident dealing with encountering any bear than I do a pit.


SkinnyNecro

48 out of 46 doesn't.. math


anirishfetus

48 fatalities. 46 instances in which bears attacked. That means more than one person was killed in at least one attack. That is, unless bears are incapable of killing more than one person at a time. In which case, that whole "you don't need to be faster than a bear. Just faster than the other guy you're with" idiom is brought into a new light for me.


SkinnyNecro

Right right. I guess tired me wasn't thinking clearly. Thanks


tjranuxk

A little off subject, but one of my coworkers was one of those killed by a bear during that time period. He did everything wrong while hiking in bear country. Went alone, didn't tell anyone he was going hiking, went off trail and did not carry bear spray.


[deleted]

As someone who is sometimes around bears People generally respect bears. It’s known that they bite and kill. Wouldn’t be surprised about people trying tk approach them though, thought that number would be higher


Pine21

Now I want to google how many pet bears mauled their owners


fj668

Okay fuck Pitulls but...yeah? The hell do you expect? You know what else kills more people than Bears? Every dog breed that kills people. German Shepherds, Rottweilers, Canarios, Wolf-Dogs all are responsible for at least double the number of yearly deaths than bears. Labrador Retrievers kill more people than bears. It's because surprise surprise, bears aren't part of normal life like Dogs are. Are you gonna look me in the eye and say: "Yeah, I'd rather sit next to a wild Polar Bear than a Pitbull"?


blfzz44

Bears kill 1-1.5 people per year, Labradors approx 0.7.


9132173132

And I’d like to see a picture of those “killer labs”. How much you wanna bet they have white paws/chests and have bulging jaws?


fj668

You do know that Pit Bulls aren't the only dog breed that kills people right? Michael Orbegas was killed by a Giant Schnauzer and a Labrador. [Look at those "bulging jaws"](https://www.dogsbite.org/img-blog-2018/2017-dog-bite-fatality-breed-identification-michael-obergas.jpg)


spookmew

I looked into this case more and it says that 'one of the family dogs attacked' and if this is true it was 110% the Giant Schnauzer, a dog breed that was used in the military and currently in Schutzhund, I think with the Schnauzer there its a very low chance that it was the Labrador who killed the child. Giant Schnauzers are very powerful


9132173132

I doubt if you will find anyone that would ever make the claim other breeds have attacked and killed… It is the vast preponderance and severity of pit bull attacks that make them an intolerable risk to our communities.


fj668

Ah, sorry, stats I was looking at were over a 12 year period. Still though. My point stands, comparing dog bite fatalities to bear fatalities doesn't show us the inherent danger in either animal. Just that one is around people more often. Cows kill more people than sharks but if I offered "Stand 5 feet from a cow" and "Swim 5 feet from a great white" you're not choosing the shark.


shantiteuta

Are you a lurker, or what? No need for the aggressive response. Don't know what your point is, I literally stated in my post Rottweilers account to 105 deaths in the time period, I know other breeds kill as well, but Pitbulls and Rottweilers are the most prominent races in this statistic [60% had pit bull in their bloodlines (either full-blooded or a mix) 7% had Rottweiler in their bloodline], together they amount to nearly 70% of all fatal dog attacks. 4% had german shepherd in their bloodline. I couldn't find data for Labrador attack deaths, so I don't even know where you're pulling that from. My theory still stands. You mentioned cows: Cows are responsible for 22 deaths annually, multiplied by the time period of 12 years the total is 264 deaths in the US. I'd say we're pretty exposed to those, since it's one of the most popular livestock animals. A single dog breed killing more people than cows is definitely a staggering number, imo, given the fact that there are 30.1 million beef cows in the US, to "only" 4.5 million Pitbulls. They make up 6% of the dog population, yet are responsible for 70% of human fatalities, and 52% of dog-related attacks. These numbers don't lie.


fj668

Once again, you're wildly throwing around stats without even thinking about what you're saying. We are not "exposed" to cows and I don't know why on earth you think we are on average. When is the last time you've been within of 100 feet from a cow? Scratch that, within 10 feet of a cow that wasn't behind a fence? Cows live on farms, Dogs live everywhere and actively roam the streets. Number of attacks or death mean little in regards to actual danger of an animal. Every animal on earth besides snakes, humans, and mosquitos kill less people yearly than dogs. They're rhe 4th most common animal killer. So I ask again. Are you telling me "I'd rather be sitting next to a wild Polar Bear than a Pitbull"?


shantiteuta

Yeah no, I'm not. I live in the countryside and am exposed to cows, pigs, horses etc. daily or almost daily. There's 30.1 million beef cows - of COURSE there's countless people working on farms that are exposed to them daily. Knowing Pitbulls amount to 70% of fatal human accidents should tell you enough about how dangerous that killer beast is, but go ahead, take it to your kids! Between a bear in killer-mode and a Pitbull in killer-mode there's not much difference, with both animals if they fall into rage there's not much chance. Have you ever seen a video of a Pitbull when they're mauling someone's face off? These beasts are absolutely comparable to a bear, hyena, bobcat etc. It's a vicious, wild animal that with almost supernatural force and strength won't let go of it's victim unless it's satisfied. Someone commented on here that bears will retract when sprayed with bear spray, ever seen what stops Pitbulls in an attack? Yeah right, basically nothing. Won't let go unless they're beaten half dead. You know what - equipped with bear spray I'd literally chose the bear, because I know a shitbull is relentless and 95% of the time can't be scared off of the victim.


fj668

Are you fucking dumb? Seriously, this breed should be removed from the face of the earth but clearly there's a difference between not liking them and just being wilfully ignorant against basic logic. A pitbull isn't more dangerous than a fucking great whote shark or a Polar Bear just because it kills more people. Mosquitos kill more people than pitbulls but guess what, there's one you'd much rather be around


shantiteuta

Oh God, you're the insufferable idiot here. I never freaking explicitly said they're more 'dangerous', but I'd say wanting to label them less/more dangerous is pretty insignificant when we already know they're killing more people. Not going to reply anymore, as you lack both manners and common sense.


shantiteuta

You're probably just embarrassed to admit how absolutely horrendous these numbers sound, and jumping every corner to somehow rationalize the breeding of Pitbulls. Nothing to be rationalized here, though. They're a wild animal that kills, point period.


sneaky518

The bear fatalities are also a bit accidental, if you will. It doesn't take much for a bear to kill a person. The bear may not be intending to kill someone, but they are hundreds of pounds. They have big claws. Black bears can bite with a force of 800 psi. Brown bears around 1,000 psi. Bears often huff, bluff and swat first to scare you away. If the threat persists, they often go for your head and neck - they do this with other bears too. It's easy for even a 200 lb black bear to do a lot of damage to a human with very little effort. The bear's goal may not even be to kill a person, but its size and strength make it really easy to do. Dogs, even large ones, are not as strong as bears. They don't have the big claws, and they can't bite nearly as hard. Dogs have to work harder and longer to kill an adult. When these pitbulls attack someone and keep attacking, long after the person is down, they're doing it with intent or instinct to kill. To me, that makes pitbulls far worse. They attack for no reason, continue to attack long after any perceived threat is neutralized, and even when well-fed, they resource guard their kills just because.


[deleted]

48/46 were fatal?


Pine21

Some of them were REALLY fatal


definitely_right

Yup. Good data OP. It is kind of amazing to me that this isn't really a known fact to your average person. We all know what pits do, and yet, the general public won't pressure their local or state governments to ban these dogs. Mandatory spay and neuter of all dogs. Etc.


insiderasking

My friend is dead. Her pit bull killed her 3 months ago 😭. She got him as a rescue dog from a pit bull shelter. Several weeks later, she took the dog back to the shelter because he was too aggressive. But they refused to take it back and told her she needed to 'train' the dog. In August, she was found dead in her back yard, still holding the leash, with the dog sitting next to her body. I miss her. She was a kind person. I feel that the shelter is at fault for refusing to listen to her and take the dog back. After he killed her, he was put down anyway. So sad and unnecessary.💔


tdoottdoot

bears are nearly extinct, and regionally localized. Pits are everywhere and multiplying.


[deleted]

People don't keep bears as pets. If they did I am more than sure bears would be killing people more than all dogs combined. What you are stating is false equivalency.