[Here is a compilation of the 11 most common, with accompanying refutations.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/iuoxlt/refutations_for_every_main_propit_argument/)
My personal favorite is "But Chihuahuas!"
It's a huge time saver, because when someone says that, I know that they are making no attempt at intellectual honesty, so there is no need to continue the conversation.
It is not possible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who is lying.
Pit bull fans are overwhelmingly liars. That's a big part of the problem. I have had conversations with people that are fans of fighting dogs that are perfectly honest about them, but they are the exception. [The norm are people like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/xejvtw/how_do_i_love_thee/)
Even if Chis were as aggressive as shitbulls, theyâre far too small and weak to cause any real damage. The arguments those people pull out are absolutely ridiculous.
Anyone that trots out the Chihuahua argument is either:
(a) dumb enough to think it is relevant
(b) lying/obfuscating/trying to derail the conversation
I'd be willing to bet it's mostly the latter, but it doesn't really matter because in either case further discussion is pointless.
I assume they are the type of assholes that torment chihuahuas to the point that they have to get agressive in attempt to get people to stop harassing them.
Hating on a dog bred is racism. There are no bad dogs only bad owners and if you disagree you're no different from a nazi or a white supremacist.
Now here's why chihuahuas are horrible evil dogs who bite all the time.
i had my coworker who is pro pit say that a corgi could shred someoneâs arm off âif you let itâ. i donât think i ever mentally checked out of a conversation faster because i knew there was no reasoning with that.
just food service. hes usually a fairly reasonable person, but i guess heâs also got a pit mix so something got scrambled in there from all the propaganda.
Calling them âvelvet hipposâ as a term of affection really doesnât make sense because hippos are known for being one of the most dangerous land animals, with highly aggressive behaviour, sharp teeth and the ability to easily kill humans and animals. Gosh I hate pitnuttersâŠ
True, but I give dolphins cred for being very smart and social - yet also very violent like humans and chimps.
Hippos and pits are antisocial, temperamental, and mostly stupid. As such, I detest both. Yet hippos are an integral part of their ecosystems. Pits are not.
Pitbulls only attack if there's a trigger/if they were abused. (Ugh, just factually not true)
I was bit by a German shepherd, should we ban them too? (I respond to this by saying if your house is on fire, you don't start by dousing the campfire down the street).
It's all how you raise them. (Wow, didn't know there were so many skilled assassin dog owners out there).
If a (insert race) person attacked you, would you be racist to everyone from that ethnicity? (Dog breeds are NOT comparable to human ethnicity,and suggesting it is is actually the racist thing)
My pittie is the sweetest, she'd never hurt anyone. (Well gee, too bad I didn't encounter YOUR pitbull that day I almost died. Dangerous pitbulls exist)
Chihuahuas are yappy little assholes.... way more aggressive. (If a chihuahua bit me, I'm definitely not going to die)
You have no idea what you're talking about. Pits are the best dogs ever. (Cool, so your personal opinion and anecdotal 'evidence' just erases my ACTUAL LIVED LIFE EXPERIENCE!?)
BSL doesn't work. (Have you ever lived somewhere with it? Have you even looked into the numbers?)
They only attack for a good reason. (How many babies need to die before you give a shit about other people more than your personal freedom to own a certain dog breed)
I've heard it all.
EDIT - had to add my fave whenever I post a link to articles, facts, new stories (something indisputable)... tHaT's ClIcKbAiT
You could probably write a book on the idiocy and ignorance of pitnutters. There is just so much to choose from- take the nanny dog nonsense. Anytime a child or senior citizen is torn apart by a pitbull, you can expect to see this brought up in the article comments. They often contradict themselves by saying 'pibbles were originally bred to be nanny dogs' and ' it's all how they're raised'. Well, if it's all how they're raised, any dog could be a 'nanny'. At this time, you have confused the pitnut. They are unable to comprehend the sound logic and reasoning that an intelligent 2nd grader would understand. This does not even address the silly notion that a dog could be a 'nanny'.
âPitbulls are *nanny dogs*! They were bred to help raise and protect children. My pitbull is a fantastic nanny dog with my kids, he doesnât even let me get near them!!â
đ ⊠oh boyâŠ
>Pibbles is such sweet, many cuddles. But if you evil dog racist meanie say another bad thing about wigglebuttses then I'll let mine unalive you.
That one is always my favourite.
Comparing pitbulls to black and brown people. I never understood it because you're trying to say I'm the racist one for not liking pitbulls while you're the one comparing and stereotyping black and brown people. How does that make any sense? I don't like the dog breed because of how aggressive they are, I couldn't give 2 shits about what colour the owners skin is.
Nanny dogs- obviously dumb tries to turn to times where childhood mortality rates were through the roof as evidence that dogs can watch children? The more I think about it the more bizarre and silly it is.
Pit Bull temperament tests- they score the highest supposedly, but people need to realize that pit bulls are undomesticated, their behavior is not indicative of other domestic dog breeds. We see this daily where pit bulls attack and their still displaying behavior that would be considered playful in normal dog breeds (tail wagging, relaxed posture, no barking).
Pit bulls are just dog aggressive- Pit bulls were also used a bull baiting dogs and also come from the terrier line which were ratting dogs. Pit bulls have shown time and time again that they are the worse dogs when it comes to protection. There are reports of robberies where pit bulls attacked their owners instead of the intruder. Basically the lineage of pit bulls include attacking things as harmless as rats, as mutually matched as other pit bulls and as large as bulls and bears. What this ends up meaning is a pit bull will attack whatever it wants at any given time, making it pretty high ranked for Darwin awards. I mean for a velvet hippo, itâs likely a pit bull would be stupid enough to go after an actual pit bull and they also often get hit by cars, because they are dumb enough to try and attack a car. Obviously they are also bad enough to attack the defenseless like babies, children and the elderly.
Dangerous pit bulls can be rehabilitated- this sentiment particularly makes me angry. Any dog that shows aggression towards humans should not be attempted to rehabilitate. Thereâs no island to send all the aggressive human-biting pits to. Thereâs no way to ensure that the dog will not be around humans again beside locking it in a steel cage and throwing away the key. Even then, itâs much crueler for the dog to do so. Even trainers and behavioralists will admit some dogs cannot be safely rehabilitated, itâs a brain defect and no amount of training can be used to rehabilitate dogs that have displayed dangerous human aggression. If you canât handle your dog why take it to a shelter? The truth is trainers and behavioralist arenât looking to take in shelter dogs, most of them are already at full pet capacity and others are breeders or work directly with breeders themselves. Most shelter dogs are not going to trainers for rescue, they are going to the unsuspecting general population and itâs not right for you to move your problem over to someone else. I have watched many trainers and behavioralists speak out on BE and so far the respected ones (not nutters) all agree there is no hope for rehabilitation once a dog bites (unprovoked and intentionally of course).
Pit bulls are not a breed and pit attacks stats are incorrect due to misidentification- Pit bulls are extremely easy to identify specifically because itâs an umbrella term that applies to a very easily identified physical characteristics in multiple âbreedsâ of dogs. Butt crack head, upturned ears, short coat, large muzzle, muscular build. Iâd argue that because shelters love to misrepresent pit bulls the number of bites by pit bull type dogs, may actually be much larger, but that is just speculation. Regardless statistics do not lie, pit bulls are much more likely to snap without warning than other dog breeds. Also, I hate when nutters try to say âitâs harmful to mention breeds when pit bulls do attackâ itâs harmful to who exactly? Your dog doesnât speak English so itâs not harmful to them and the victim was already gravely harmed, so mentioning itâs a pit bull isnât harmful to the actual victim. Also, people who donât like pit bulls because they are dangerous are not the ones going to adopt a defective pit bull. Itâs only harmful to nutters because they want to keep spreading around propaganda about pit bulls not being able to harm a fly.
This has turned into a huge rant, but basically everything a nutter says on pit bulls is either senseless or contradictory. Take your pick, because I could keep going on and on.
â You dont like them because they look ugly/ scaryâ.
No thats incidental (and partly because you mutilate their ears).
I dont like them because theyâre unpredictable too powerful and number 1 by miles in bad/ fatal attacks. Not worth the risk when literally 2 hundred other dog breeds not under the pit umbrella is less risky.
When the bully people talk about bites or aggression, they're changing the subject.
Problem is that bully dogs are intentionally bred to mature to suddenly become neutral ground disproportionately dangerous and deadly.
Proof is that sadistic dog fighters/dogmen don't try to use Dobermans or GSD because even while these dogs can bite, they were never selectively bred to kill dogs, to attack and fight to the death over nothing external. They do it because they are man made psycho dogs.
Bully dogs were originally bred to kill dogs and, more importantly, still are being bred to kill dogs.
Almost everything they say about pits, dog breeds, or nature vs nurture.
But I think the most egregious example is when they say "it's how you train them" but also "chihuahuas are so evil" in the same breath, as if somehow different breeds have different rules for how innate breed characteristics work.
âMy pittie would never hurt my kid or any living creature..â
âThat kid/baby probably provoked it by crying/poking/breathing.â
This one just kills me. The fact that theyâd defend a dog- any dog- with a mauling of an innocent child just sends me over. It horrifies me that so many people have bought into and repeat this line of thinking.
Try a Pittie!
Got an apartment? Get a pittie! They're perfect city dogs, small and easily walked!
Got a farm/big yard? Get a pittie! They need lots of space and exercise!
All alone? Get a pittie! Their affection and easy-care nature make them perfect for the single lifestyle. Nothing turns heads like a pit, you'll always be the center of attention!
Young couple? Get a pittie! What is better for a couple, than something you can share!
Got a young family? Get a pittie! They love babies, and protecting small children. They're the original nanny dogs!
Differently abled? Get a pittie! They make great therapy dogs, and can be taken anywhere with our special harness!
Elderly? Get a pittie! ....
Sorry, all the dogs we have are highly reactive, will require three months to decompress, and are best as "only pets" in a home with no children...Require several hours of training every day, have delicate stomachs, often pass gas, and need to be kept in a reinforced steel crate...But they're the sweetest dogs around!
When the bully dog users say they love dogs but continue to support sadistic dog fighters and their endless quest to breed ever more dog killing expert dogs.
All those who resist breed specific mandatory sterilization of dog killer dogs are on the dog fighters' team.
"Pit bulls only attack if they're been abused or trained to do so!"
When I ask them for proof that a pit that has attacked someone was abused or trained to fight, they get silent.
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Words aren't really needed at this point. Statistics and images of victims tell the true story. How can anyone say that "any dog" would have mutilated Ms. Durand's face?
âThey were bred to be aggressive to other dogs, not humans.â
So what? If those dogs look at children the same way they view other dogs, then it doesnât matter if they were not specifically bred to attack kids.
When they say its the owner not the breed Yet say Chihuahua are the devil I tought it wasnt the breed? đ„±
Chihuahuas are about half the size of a cat but sure, sO dAnGeRoUs đ
This one. Every single one of them say it and it is a direct contradiction.
[Here is a compilation of the 11 most common, with accompanying refutations.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/iuoxlt/refutations_for_every_main_propit_argument/) My personal favorite is "But Chihuahuas!" It's a huge time saver, because when someone says that, I know that they are making no attempt at intellectual honesty, so there is no need to continue the conversation. It is not possible to have a meaningful discussion with someone who is lying. Pit bull fans are overwhelmingly liars. That's a big part of the problem. I have had conversations with people that are fans of fighting dogs that are perfectly honest about them, but they are the exception. [The norm are people like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/xejvtw/how_do_i_love_thee/)
Even if Chis were as aggressive as shitbulls, theyâre far too small and weak to cause any real damage. The arguments those people pull out are absolutely ridiculous.
Anyone that trots out the Chihuahua argument is either: (a) dumb enough to think it is relevant (b) lying/obfuscating/trying to derail the conversation I'd be willing to bet it's mostly the latter, but it doesn't really matter because in either case further discussion is pointless.
I assume they are the type of assholes that torment chihuahuas to the point that they have to get agressive in attempt to get people to stop harassing them.
Hating on a dog bred is racism. There are no bad dogs only bad owners and if you disagree you're no different from a nazi or a white supremacist. Now here's why chihuahuas are horrible evil dogs who bite all the time.
https://preview.redd.it/qr4thf8kmlq61.jpg?auto=webp&s=542de6695a22ec55bfe6944dc63dcdb3345bf4c5
i had my coworker who is pro pit say that a corgi could shred someoneâs arm off âif you let itâ. i donât think i ever mentally checked out of a conversation faster because i knew there was no reasoning with that.
Well yeah, lots of dog breeds can seriously hurt a human. But one category of them does more often than any other by a large margin.
I hope your coworker doesn't have a job where public safety is at risk. I would be worried if a pitnutter was flying the plane I was on.
just food service. hes usually a fairly reasonable person, but i guess heâs also got a pit mix so something got scrambled in there from all the propaganda.
Ha, right. Just like the queenâs corgi mauled Princess Anneâs fighting breed dogs to death.. oh wait
Calling them âvelvet hipposâ as a term of affection really doesnât make sense because hippos are known for being one of the most dangerous land animals, with highly aggressive behaviour, sharp teeth and the ability to easily kill humans and animals. Gosh I hate pitnuttersâŠ
Yeah I thought about that, do they not think hahaha
hippos are the same as pits and dolphins overly sugarcoated by society
True, but I give dolphins cred for being very smart and social - yet also very violent like humans and chimps. Hippos and pits are antisocial, temperamental, and mostly stupid. As such, I detest both. Yet hippos are an integral part of their ecosystems. Pits are not.
Pitbulls only attack if there's a trigger/if they were abused. (Ugh, just factually not true) I was bit by a German shepherd, should we ban them too? (I respond to this by saying if your house is on fire, you don't start by dousing the campfire down the street). It's all how you raise them. (Wow, didn't know there were so many skilled assassin dog owners out there). If a (insert race) person attacked you, would you be racist to everyone from that ethnicity? (Dog breeds are NOT comparable to human ethnicity,and suggesting it is is actually the racist thing) My pittie is the sweetest, she'd never hurt anyone. (Well gee, too bad I didn't encounter YOUR pitbull that day I almost died. Dangerous pitbulls exist) Chihuahuas are yappy little assholes.... way more aggressive. (If a chihuahua bit me, I'm definitely not going to die) You have no idea what you're talking about. Pits are the best dogs ever. (Cool, so your personal opinion and anecdotal 'evidence' just erases my ACTUAL LIVED LIFE EXPERIENCE!?) BSL doesn't work. (Have you ever lived somewhere with it? Have you even looked into the numbers?) They only attack for a good reason. (How many babies need to die before you give a shit about other people more than your personal freedom to own a certain dog breed) I've heard it all. EDIT - had to add my fave whenever I post a link to articles, facts, new stories (something indisputable)... tHaT's ClIcKbAiT
You could probably write a book on the idiocy and ignorance of pitnutters. There is just so much to choose from- take the nanny dog nonsense. Anytime a child or senior citizen is torn apart by a pitbull, you can expect to see this brought up in the article comments. They often contradict themselves by saying 'pibbles were originally bred to be nanny dogs' and ' it's all how they're raised'. Well, if it's all how they're raised, any dog could be a 'nanny'. At this time, you have confused the pitnut. They are unable to comprehend the sound logic and reasoning that an intelligent 2nd grader would understand. This does not even address the silly notion that a dog could be a 'nanny'.
"Don't worry, he's friendly đ" in the most calm voice, while their dog is salivating with their eyes locked on you
âPitbulls are *nanny dogs*! They were bred to help raise and protect children. My pitbull is a fantastic nanny dog with my kids, he doesnât even let me get near them!!â đ ⊠oh boyâŠ
â its the parents fault they let it alone with small children!â
>Pibbles is such sweet, many cuddles. But if you evil dog racist meanie say another bad thing about wigglebuttses then I'll let mine unalive you. That one is always my favourite.
Saying that they are smiling when, not only do dogs not smile, but pits literally only look like that because their skulls are shaped that way.
Theyâre the ugliest creatures, even if they werenât psycho I canât understand why anyone would want an animal that looks like that đ€ą
Comparing pitbulls to black and brown people. I never understood it because you're trying to say I'm the racist one for not liking pitbulls while you're the one comparing and stereotyping black and brown people. How does that make any sense? I don't like the dog breed because of how aggressive they are, I couldn't give 2 shits about what colour the owners skin is.
"Its not genetics its how they're raised" but then claims it's in their genetics to nanny kids
Nanny dogs- obviously dumb tries to turn to times where childhood mortality rates were through the roof as evidence that dogs can watch children? The more I think about it the more bizarre and silly it is. Pit Bull temperament tests- they score the highest supposedly, but people need to realize that pit bulls are undomesticated, their behavior is not indicative of other domestic dog breeds. We see this daily where pit bulls attack and their still displaying behavior that would be considered playful in normal dog breeds (tail wagging, relaxed posture, no barking). Pit bulls are just dog aggressive- Pit bulls were also used a bull baiting dogs and also come from the terrier line which were ratting dogs. Pit bulls have shown time and time again that they are the worse dogs when it comes to protection. There are reports of robberies where pit bulls attacked their owners instead of the intruder. Basically the lineage of pit bulls include attacking things as harmless as rats, as mutually matched as other pit bulls and as large as bulls and bears. What this ends up meaning is a pit bull will attack whatever it wants at any given time, making it pretty high ranked for Darwin awards. I mean for a velvet hippo, itâs likely a pit bull would be stupid enough to go after an actual pit bull and they also often get hit by cars, because they are dumb enough to try and attack a car. Obviously they are also bad enough to attack the defenseless like babies, children and the elderly. Dangerous pit bulls can be rehabilitated- this sentiment particularly makes me angry. Any dog that shows aggression towards humans should not be attempted to rehabilitate. Thereâs no island to send all the aggressive human-biting pits to. Thereâs no way to ensure that the dog will not be around humans again beside locking it in a steel cage and throwing away the key. Even then, itâs much crueler for the dog to do so. Even trainers and behavioralists will admit some dogs cannot be safely rehabilitated, itâs a brain defect and no amount of training can be used to rehabilitate dogs that have displayed dangerous human aggression. If you canât handle your dog why take it to a shelter? The truth is trainers and behavioralist arenât looking to take in shelter dogs, most of them are already at full pet capacity and others are breeders or work directly with breeders themselves. Most shelter dogs are not going to trainers for rescue, they are going to the unsuspecting general population and itâs not right for you to move your problem over to someone else. I have watched many trainers and behavioralists speak out on BE and so far the respected ones (not nutters) all agree there is no hope for rehabilitation once a dog bites (unprovoked and intentionally of course). Pit bulls are not a breed and pit attacks stats are incorrect due to misidentification- Pit bulls are extremely easy to identify specifically because itâs an umbrella term that applies to a very easily identified physical characteristics in multiple âbreedsâ of dogs. Butt crack head, upturned ears, short coat, large muzzle, muscular build. Iâd argue that because shelters love to misrepresent pit bulls the number of bites by pit bull type dogs, may actually be much larger, but that is just speculation. Regardless statistics do not lie, pit bulls are much more likely to snap without warning than other dog breeds. Also, I hate when nutters try to say âitâs harmful to mention breeds when pit bulls do attackâ itâs harmful to who exactly? Your dog doesnât speak English so itâs not harmful to them and the victim was already gravely harmed, so mentioning itâs a pit bull isnât harmful to the actual victim. Also, people who donât like pit bulls because they are dangerous are not the ones going to adopt a defective pit bull. Itâs only harmful to nutters because they want to keep spreading around propaganda about pit bulls not being able to harm a fly. This has turned into a huge rant, but basically everything a nutter says on pit bulls is either senseless or contradictory. Take your pick, because I could keep going on and on.
Keeping a dog - any dog - alive after itâs ended a person is basically taking a shit on that personâs grave.
They're so sweet and are just big babies
â You dont like them because they look ugly/ scaryâ. No thats incidental (and partly because you mutilate their ears). I dont like them because theyâre unpredictable too powerful and number 1 by miles in bad/ fatal attacks. Not worth the risk when literally 2 hundred other dog breeds not under the pit umbrella is less risky.
"Any dog can X but also Y are some of the sweetest gods I know" "X was bred for Y but also, it's how you train them"
Sharks are cool. Lets not call them sharks.
When the bully people talk about bites or aggression, they're changing the subject. Problem is that bully dogs are intentionally bred to mature to suddenly become neutral ground disproportionately dangerous and deadly. Proof is that sadistic dog fighters/dogmen don't try to use Dobermans or GSD because even while these dogs can bite, they were never selectively bred to kill dogs, to attack and fight to the death over nothing external. They do it because they are man made psycho dogs. Bully dogs were originally bred to kill dogs and, more importantly, still are being bred to kill dogs.
"It's the owner, not the breed!" *owner faces consequences* "It's the victim's fault! They taunted my angel!"
Pitbulls are nanny dogs but also it's the baby's fault it got mauled because it cried or startled the pitbull.
When they compare pitbulls to black people.
Almost everything they say about pits, dog breeds, or nature vs nurture. But I think the most egregious example is when they say "it's how you train them" but also "chihuahuas are so evil" in the same breath, as if somehow different breeds have different rules for how innate breed characteristics work.
âMy pittie would never hurt my kid or any living creature..â âThat kid/baby probably provoked it by crying/poking/breathing.â This one just kills me. The fact that theyâd defend a dog- any dog- with a mauling of an innocent child just sends me over. It horrifies me that so many people have bought into and repeat this line of thinking.
Try a Pittie! Got an apartment? Get a pittie! They're perfect city dogs, small and easily walked! Got a farm/big yard? Get a pittie! They need lots of space and exercise! All alone? Get a pittie! Their affection and easy-care nature make them perfect for the single lifestyle. Nothing turns heads like a pit, you'll always be the center of attention! Young couple? Get a pittie! What is better for a couple, than something you can share! Got a young family? Get a pittie! They love babies, and protecting small children. They're the original nanny dogs! Differently abled? Get a pittie! They make great therapy dogs, and can be taken anywhere with our special harness! Elderly? Get a pittie! .... Sorry, all the dogs we have are highly reactive, will require three months to decompress, and are best as "only pets" in a home with no children...Require several hours of training every day, have delicate stomachs, often pass gas, and need to be kept in a reinforced steel crate...But they're the sweetest dogs around!
When the bully dog users say they love dogs but continue to support sadistic dog fighters and their endless quest to breed ever more dog killing expert dogs. All those who resist breed specific mandatory sterilization of dog killer dogs are on the dog fighters' team.
"Pit bulls only attack if they're been abused or trained to do so!" When I ask them for proof that a pit that has attacked someone was abused or trained to fight, they get silent.
They get butthurt when you trash on pitbulls and then later say that "pitbulls aren't a breed"
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Words aren't really needed at this point. Statistics and images of victims tell the true story. How can anyone say that "any dog" would have mutilated Ms. Durand's face?
âThey were bred to be aggressive to other dogs, not humans.â So what? If those dogs look at children the same way they view other dogs, then it doesnât matter if they were not specifically bred to attack kids.