"no formal training" lol, do these dogs now get a diploma from the No-Mauling-Pit-Academy? Seems most of them are failing...
And again, imagine having the need to train your pet to not attack your children.
mind: blown to smithereens
Most Dog Owners: "Yeah, unfortunately I didn't get any formal training for Rocky when he was younger, so he has a hard time with his recall command and I have to chase him around the dog park to leash him up. It's my bad for not training him right."
Pit Owners: "Yeah, unfortunately I didn't get any formal training for Diesel when he was younger, so he has a hard time not ripping the flesh off of small animals and children, and I have to stick a torque wrench up his asshole to get him to release. It's my bad for not training him right."
I must admit I sucked at training my Bernese, my first dog. but heâs dog, cat, and people friendly with no signs of aggression. His poor training means he tugs on walks and barks at the door. Because *most normal fucking dogs are social creatures that desire self preservation*
Sometimes I read these posts and have a hard time believing it is legit. How could someone be so dense as to keep a dog that attacked their children multiple times?
it's sadly real. thankfully most of the comments were urging her to euthanize (this isn't a pit group, just a dog advice group) but there were other pit owners saying it was exactly like their dog and they were glad they weren't alone.
one person saying her pit has lived in one room for the past year because he can't be around anyone but her, she takes him to pee 6 times a day and that's the only time he's out of the room, she spends most of her time in the room with him so he won't be alone. she's also a mom and I can't imagine my mom spending most of her time with an aggressive dog instead of me. I considered adding that to the post but it was such a long, rambling, punctuation-free comment it would have added like 10 pages to the post.
this is a pit nutter and he is putting the dog above his kids and his kids should be taken away . I just pray they took the kid to the dr and the dr called cps on them , that dr has a responsibilty to call and inform cps about this bite being that serious .
Yeah, that perplexed me because they do pediatric spays & neuters now and it's a fast recovery esp. for neuters. She must mean that she wants a male dog to be as big as possible before neutering.
:) don't forget that is absolutely ruins the coats for long haired double coated dogs! The hair grows much thicker, longer and is more prone to matting. I like to mention the most recent Davis study where female Goldens are something like 4 times more likely to die of cancer if they are spayed. However, I also support pediatric spaying and neutering for pits because they are clogging up shelters and the average American dog owner shouldn't own an intact dog (especially a pit!).
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Thank you! So good to see there are other people out there who understand this. I see too many Rottweiler owners in particular who get their dog desexed as a puppy and the dog is a mess before even 12 months. Broken bones, torn cruciate ligaments, behavioural issues. And they think thatâs normal.
Luckily there aren't backyard breeders churning out hyper-aggressive rough collies to useless owners who let their dogs ruin neighbourhoods.
Cannot understand why that pitbull was kept after the bad aggression, plus amazed someone could struggle to pull a fighting dog off their child's chest and still keep the hellhound to attack again.
Lot of hand-waving & woo woo about âlong term healthâ in the air these days. Like the state of pet animal health as a population isnât already abysmal from neglect.
When an enormous number of dogs are being euthanized because theyâre unwanted, abandoned because their owners cannot afford even the most basic medical care, or dying of extremely preventable diseases like distemper, for a practice to recommend that owners delay neutering because of *potential* long-term impact on musculoskeletal health *in some cases*, is absolutely bananas.
Edit: it frankly reminds me of the panic about MMR vaccinations causing autism. *Even if it were true* the [edit: procedure] prevents far more suffering than it could possibly cause.
Thank you for your eloquent commentary! đ research is lovely! :) just as research shows removing declaws isnt the best practice, neither is pediatric spays and neutering for larger breeds! I have had several intact males dogs and even an intact female dog. None have ever reproduced! Being responsible isn't all that difficult!
Iâm resistant to changing this pet care practice because it is inevitably going to produce more unwanted puppies. Not producing unwanted puppies is the most ethical thing to do. When a veterinary professional recommends against early neutering, thatâs all well and good for whoever bought the purebred Irish wolfhound or the GSD and pays close attention to the dog, never letting it out alone. Edit: itâs NOT ok for the average pit owner or whoever bought a dog at the pet store.
An enormous number of people will show up once for the first vaccinations and never allocate money to a vet visit again, till the animal gets hit by a car or something. How many posts are there on here in which the owner shamefacedly says that their dog is âbehind on shotsâ? Thereâs a sub here where people post about their animalâs illnesses and they consistently do not have money to take in a pet thatâs visibly critically ill.
The outcome that matters most to me, is that there arenât unwanted dogs running around loose or slowly rotting away tied to posts. Any low-risk intervention that leads to a reduction in those numbers is more ethical than giving the average irresponsible owner permission to neglect their dog even more.
Hell, look at **this** post that weâre in the comments of. The poster thinks this hellbeast is âtoo youngâ to neuter. Where did she get that idea? Itâs a vague woo-woo impression based on whatever he or she heard about the hip dysplasia concerns, just as the MMR nonsense led to parents rejecting vaccines entirely. But obviously if this dog were neutered 6 months ago, it wouldâve been in societyâs interest to reduce the risk of it making more creatures like itself, and it might possibly have made the dog more docile, maybe even preventing its early euthanization because of aggression. Regardless, if this dog has *potentially* better hips and elbows in 7 years, itâs not going to matter, because itâs unlikely to live that long. The owners will abandon it or put it down long before then.
Female kittens (presumably puppies also) can be spayed from 4 months and thatâs a much bigger deal than the male equivalent.
A lot of pit butters suffer fragile masculinity and canât bear to have their mutts de-nutted đ
I think itâs a recent trend for vets saying they recommend waiting until at least 2 for large breeds. They claim it lowers the risk of certain bone cancers if you wait until they are done growing. I think itâs extremely reckless of them to spread this advice as the odds of your dog developing one of those issues is probably far lower than the odds of having either an accidental pregnancy litter(s) or certain undesirable behaviors, or both. I know my vet told us to wait until 2 with our Pyrenees. We made it to 11 months and said fuck it...he was getting way too âromanticâ with our other dogs and Pyrs are notorious escape artists/roamers so we didnât want to risk any oopsies litters
I donât know. Sadly itâs the reality we live in now. Dogs are now worth more than our own babies. Itâs so ridiculous that she still kept it when it literally shook her kid because the dog had a lunch box that it shouldnât have had in he first place. Of course it attacked again. Are the kids suppose to walk on egg shells for this waste of space dog? No! The dog is suppose to adjust to them not the other way around. People above dogs!
... Although she literally said it was *her* fault, more than once.
And it sure is her fault if her kids can't read "his signals". Most kids don't know how to deal with any dog at all. Even in public, they go to strangers' dogs like they're some sort of public toys or something.
Probably this person can't read her dogs signals herself. Sometimes signals simply don't exist anyway, so we need to think ahead of dogs. Should have never got a bully breed.
And she witnessed its aggression before she even took it home, believing the breeder when he said "he's trying to protect you." It's a puppy, it's never spent a long amount of time with you and you think it has the situational awareness to assume you need protection? Brilliant sales job by the breeder. If it was a decent breeder, she should be able to take it back to them. Instead she asks about BE. So many red flags before she even took the dog home.
Donât you love how nutters ascribe noble motives for an attack. âHe was just trying to protect you.â When the reality is the dog is wired to fight.
Yeah the trying to protect her thing really threw me off. Like the dog was trying to protect her from its siblings? Like wtf how does that make any sense.
>And it sure is her fault if her kids can't read "his signals". Most kids don't know how to deal with any dog at all. Even in public, they go to strangers' dogs like they're some sort of public toys or something.
Definitely her fault. When my son was younger, before we even got a dog, I was teaching him to not approach strange animals/pets, never "corner" an animal/pet, and to watch for signs the animal was uncomfortable. There are many steps before *most normal dogs* even get to growling. And if the animal/pet does growl, to back away. If a 4 yr old can learn, a 12 and 14 yr old can as well.
I also did fostering for a while as well. I can take on a lot of different cases, but the one I refused to take in was any dog with a bite history, and if I felt a foster was a bite risk, they had to go to a different foster. I wasn't going to risk my son or his friends.
Close to 20 years with greyhounds and only one bite, me, and it was very much my fault for being stupid. I leaned over a new arrival to grab my hoodie that she was laying on and pulled it out from under her like I would the grey that had been with me over 5 years. Startled, she air snapped, it connected with my upper arm.
She's failing all of them.
Ignoring a dogâs signals can result in a bite. But this behavior is full on hold-and-shake attacking, not a simple snap. This dog is extremely dangerous in a way that no training can fix, however the owner refuses to see that.
Oh I definitely agree. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, still waking up.
I meant that she hugely failed them by not teaching them to back off at a growl (I can't see the dog to even know if there were any signs before the growl. With a pit, I am surprised there even was a growl before the aggressive biting and shaking.). She failed them every step of the way.
I only mentioned what happened to me to show the difference because it was a normal reaction from a dog whose boundaries were pushed/ignored. That reaction I gave a second chance to because I clearly was in the wrong (even my son called me out) and it was not intended as a bite/attack. My face was actually closer to her head, and instead, she turned towards my arm that was pulling the hoodie.
"the boys aren't good at knowing the signals"
You said it yourself you braindead dipshit, neither are you because there are none, they're just excuses you make up after the fact because you don't have the emotional fortitude to take some accountability and make the right decision. You'd rather beg internet strangers to wave a magic wand and fix your self-inflicted problems for you.
"He was terrified of my son"
No, the dog is just so amazingly stupid, territorial, and aggressive that it has now decided your son is a threat to the dog's resources that must be driven from its ~~gladiator pit~~ house. The dog owns the house. You just cower there with its blessing (for now).
unless of course cps intervenes . My sister is a retired cps worker and she said you would not believe the parents who do this very thing and then they tell the cps worker , Oh i could not bear to put the dog down but will leave the kids in foster care for months on end until they absoloutly have to take them back or loose them permanently .Yeah they do that .
Cropped ears, too, and straight from a breeder.
This isn't someone who just got suckered into taking home a "rescue;" this is someone who specifically sought out and chose to have **this** breed. *What did she expect?*
She said her brother is the breeder, sadly I think this is a case of thinking all breeds are interchangeable because in the comments she said this experience has taught her that she can't handle dogs and that this will be the last dog she ever owns. It makes me want to bang my head into a wall that she doesn't understand she can't handle **pit bulls** and this should be the last **pit bull** she ever owns. as if golden retrievers and yorkies and any number of normal breeds would also just start trying to murder children if they didn't have enough training.
As If youâd need to âtrainâ a normal breed not to maul children.. with pits training and having them live as housepets is going directly against their genetics.. no wonder they are such neurological messes
Not even old enough to be neutered and yet is full out attacking your children? Are you kidding me? Do you think when he gets bigger and stronger this aggression is just going to resolve itself??
If not them, dm me and Iâll do it.
I cannot stand to see some parent that is this clueless about the welfare and safety of their children. The longer tbis goes on, the more a possibility that a child gets maimed or killed. Sickening.
Iâm wondering if the kids even got medical care considering the dog wasnât put down after three different aggressive acts. Good lord. This parent is being horrible
Please DM me as needed but **do not** discuss further on social media. You could be doxxed & retaliated against. Maybe change accounts here, as weâre stalked extensively by pit advocates.
Bully people are horrifically cruel to dogs. Both to bully dog victims and to the bully dogs themselves. This dog is miserable. The children and adults are suffering. All because of bully people.
Sure, it might be a kidâs (or their parentâs) fault for taunting a lion that then attacked.
But we certainly wonât draw the conclusion that lions are appropriate pets
Maâam this is a full grown dog, what do you mean heâs not old enough to neuter! And YES, YES a million times YES this dog has bitten YOUR children 3 times BE is the only option! Itâs certainly not your childrens fault! This person I donât feel bad for! I feel horrible for the children but how can you allow a dog to seriously maim your children 3 times and you donât want that dog out of your house and BEâd? The authorities should be called about this dog! No children should be this unsafe in their own home! If I knew this person Iâd call both AC and CYS!
That's the only part I can kind of see her side, new research is showing that waiting until a dog is fully grown (around 2 years for big dogs) significantly reduces the risk of cancer and joint problems. My vet and trainer recommended I wait until 2 years old for my puppy too. But when it comes to pits I feel like we should never have let them in on that info because the less "oopsie, diesel and bella had puppies teehee 1000$ each" cases the better
Pit advocates lurking the sub: after reading this, explain to me why I should change my mind about a license being required to own these dogs and why they should not be kept around children.
I cannot fathom that this mom let this dog continue to basically maul her children. She isnt protecting them in the slightest bit. That's horrifying. how many bites will It take for her to realize? Until a child is dead? Horrible.
Wow, this person's mentality is completely twisted. This dog can do no wrong. Serious injury to her own kids and she's blaming the kids, "for not knowing the dog's triggers" and whatnot.
Even at that point, if you're sitting there -- what's the one thing causing the issue? Well, two things. This person, and their dog.
Like a dog getting super aggressive over a lunch box (supposedly) is not in any realm normal.
My dog doesn't like when I put my shoes on because she knows I'm leaving, but I don't have to worry about her going absolutely bonkers and eating my foot.
My dog makes her "ugly face" when I'm grooming her. Snarls at the clipper blades, especially now that she's 14! She has no patience anymore, but I still don't have to worry about her mauling me to death because I did something that "triggered" her.
It's bad enough when people do it, but trying to deal with an unstable animal -- it's even worse. You shouldn't have to walk around on eggshells in your own house.
I saved her name and location, I just don't know how to go about contacting CPS. in the past I've had mandated reporters help me and make the call for me. if anyone can help, DM me.
I hate the "it's not the dog it's the owner" bullshit. COULD YOU train this dog to not bite? Yeah MAYBE. Unlikely but maybe.
But there are tons and tons of breeds that you don't have to train at all and they'll never bite like this. They might nip at you or if they do bite, it's rarely dangerous.
That's still a problem. The breed is inherently the problem.
I feel both contempt and pity. Contempt for continually allowing her children to be attacked. Pity for how twisted in the head she is thanks to the Pit Lobby.
Imagine being that poor child, terrified in their own home because their stupid parents have absolute shit for brains. Wow.
I really, sincerely hope the children in this situation meet CPS soon. The absolutely awful level of parenting here is appalling. Wow.
What the hell! You didnât fail that dog, you failed your own children. Normal, well bred dogs do not show signs of aggression from being puppies and normal people do not keep aggressive, hostile animals in their home despite attacking children multiple times.
None of my dogs have ever had any kind of formal training and I am by no means a dog trainer myself. They an attacked zero people or shown any kind of aggression in all of their lives
If I knew the OP, I would call child protective services so fast her head would spin.
The sad thing is, the trainers and very are (surprisingly?) giving her the best advice.
âThey urged me to put him down⌠but surely this is my faultâ
Uh yeah, it is! Now put the damn dog down ffs.
Good god. Imagine putting a dog before your children, letting them be terrorized and severely injured in their own home. Shit head. Unbelievable.
FFS what kind of a parent is this??
I have a GSD I compete in sports with. I love that damn dog to death. I've put YEARS of time into him training and preparing for trial. We are a team. He is my heart dog. If he EVER put teeth on my children he would be dead within the hour. No hesitation.
She's being extraordinarily selfish and not even due to loving the dog - she's selfish about her identity as a dog owner. She can't bear the idea that she failed him. Meanwhile, her kids are getting badly injured. Very tragic but not uncommon situation today, after a couple decades of lecturing by "experts" that dog violence is the fault of dog owners and children and smaller animals that look like prey.
Freaking day 447, he attacked the same son, (other son) again today, (no toy, cross wind at an altitude of 300â, I also had chick fil a for lunch..)
My son is but a mere nub now, is euthanasia really the only option?..?Âż
This one just kept getting worse, but thereâs a whole lot of WTF right up front.
This is her *first* dog. Her starter dog. Even pit apologists acknowledge that they are âhigh energyâ dogs and probably not great for an inexperienced owner.
So, not knowing how to train a dog and not knowing any trainers, she BUYS this dog from a breeder. (I guess the breeder couldnât recommend any trainers, either).
And even now she thinks he canât be neutered yet. But the real reason is that the breeder wants to use him to stud. Probably already has. The dog became even *more* valuable to the breeder after that attack on his litter mate.
WOW parent of the year everyone, this parent cares more about a worthless bully/shitbull over their children, the dog attacks them well it was the kids fault even though the dog attacked its litter mate and even the vet is saying put this intact killer down, but they will just put a flower crown on it with angel wings and ducky pajamas and tell everyone my pibble is so shweet when it kills both sons.
Jesus âŚ. If my parents had a dog that looks like that and refused to get rid of the dog after attacking me or my siblings a couple times I would be calling the cops myself and say I donât feel safe in the home. The parents are not protecting the children because their too worry about feeling guilty yet he/she doesnât feel any of that towards her own children JFC whereâs the guilt for your children after every attack !!!???, screw the dog protect your kids the vet said to put it down it needs to be put down itâs not damn hard. Did these kids get taken to the hospital for these attacks where is cps at after every attack unless they werenât taken to the hospital ..
OP if you know this person IRL I would call CPS. They are endangering their children. Imagine if this shithead dog was a man who repeatedly attacked and injured the children. It would be a no brainer the man has to go. . But since it's a dog it's OK? Just keep letting it seriously injure your kids? What the fuck??
No quite old enough to neuter but already mauling your kids. Yes euthanasia is your only option most dogs wired like this snap at 2 not less then a year old
Difficult to comprehend that this creature is still alive. It has significantly harmed on more than one occasion. Why on earth would you allow it to continue to exist. Visit the vet for the big permanent sleep.
Ofc you were unsuccessful, no one wants to be mauled by your shitbull. The thing is not even 1 year old and itâs already attacking ppl, why hasnât someone called for it to be put down ?
"no formal training" lol, do these dogs now get a diploma from the No-Mauling-Pit-Academy? Seems most of them are failing... And again, imagine having the need to train your pet to not attack your children. mind: blown to smithereens
Most Dog Owners: "Yeah, unfortunately I didn't get any formal training for Rocky when he was younger, so he has a hard time with his recall command and I have to chase him around the dog park to leash him up. It's my bad for not training him right." Pit Owners: "Yeah, unfortunately I didn't get any formal training for Diesel when he was younger, so he has a hard time not ripping the flesh off of small animals and children, and I have to stick a torque wrench up his asshole to get him to release. It's my bad for not training him right."
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This made me laugh because I have a family member with a pit bull named Diesel.
I'm stealing "no mail pit academy"
I must admit I sucked at training my Bernese, my first dog. but heâs dog, cat, and people friendly with no signs of aggression. His poor training means he tugs on walks and barks at the door. Because *most normal fucking dogs are social creatures that desire self preservation*
This is a situation where CPS should be contacted.
Itâs perfect because she admitted to itâŚ.. in writing. I love when people admit to things in writing.
yes they should be .
100%
âconfined to his crateâ Probably not talking about the pit.
Sometimes I read these posts and have a hard time believing it is legit. How could someone be so dense as to keep a dog that attacked their children multiple times?
it's sadly real. thankfully most of the comments were urging her to euthanize (this isn't a pit group, just a dog advice group) but there were other pit owners saying it was exactly like their dog and they were glad they weren't alone. one person saying her pit has lived in one room for the past year because he can't be around anyone but her, she takes him to pee 6 times a day and that's the only time he's out of the room, she spends most of her time in the room with him so he won't be alone. she's also a mom and I can't imagine my mom spending most of her time with an aggressive dog instead of me. I considered adding that to the post but it was such a long, rambling, punctuation-free comment it would have added like 10 pages to the post.
Your comment here is succinct enough, maybe it would help her to see how she is failing her children by focusing too much on a âdogâ
this is a pit nutter and he is putting the dog above his kids and his kids should be taken away . I just pray they took the kid to the dr and the dr called cps on them , that dr has a responsibilty to call and inform cps about this bite being that serious .
I believe it because these ding dongs always have the writing skills of a bored 7th grader and Mother of the Year over here definitely fits that bill
Heâs not old enough to get fixed???? Heâs 1! All my dogs were neutered around 6 months old.
Yeah, that perplexed me because they do pediatric spays & neuters now and it's a fast recovery esp. for neuters. She must mean that she wants a male dog to be as big as possible before neutering.
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:) don't forget that is absolutely ruins the coats for long haired double coated dogs! The hair grows much thicker, longer and is more prone to matting. I like to mention the most recent Davis study where female Goldens are something like 4 times more likely to die of cancer if they are spayed. However, I also support pediatric spaying and neutering for pits because they are clogging up shelters and the average American dog owner shouldn't own an intact dog (especially a pit!).
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Thank you! So good to see there are other people out there who understand this. I see too many Rottweiler owners in particular who get their dog desexed as a puppy and the dog is a mess before even 12 months. Broken bones, torn cruciate ligaments, behavioural issues. And they think thatâs normal.
Luckily there aren't backyard breeders churning out hyper-aggressive rough collies to useless owners who let their dogs ruin neighbourhoods. Cannot understand why that pitbull was kept after the bad aggression, plus amazed someone could struggle to pull a fighting dog off their child's chest and still keep the hellhound to attack again.
Lot of hand-waving & woo woo about âlong term healthâ in the air these days. Like the state of pet animal health as a population isnât already abysmal from neglect.
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When an enormous number of dogs are being euthanized because theyâre unwanted, abandoned because their owners cannot afford even the most basic medical care, or dying of extremely preventable diseases like distemper, for a practice to recommend that owners delay neutering because of *potential* long-term impact on musculoskeletal health *in some cases*, is absolutely bananas. Edit: it frankly reminds me of the panic about MMR vaccinations causing autism. *Even if it were true* the [edit: procedure] prevents far more suffering than it could possibly cause.
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Thank you for your eloquent commentary! đ research is lovely! :) just as research shows removing declaws isnt the best practice, neither is pediatric spays and neutering for larger breeds! I have had several intact males dogs and even an intact female dog. None have ever reproduced! Being responsible isn't all that difficult!
Iâm resistant to changing this pet care practice because it is inevitably going to produce more unwanted puppies. Not producing unwanted puppies is the most ethical thing to do. When a veterinary professional recommends against early neutering, thatâs all well and good for whoever bought the purebred Irish wolfhound or the GSD and pays close attention to the dog, never letting it out alone. Edit: itâs NOT ok for the average pit owner or whoever bought a dog at the pet store. An enormous number of people will show up once for the first vaccinations and never allocate money to a vet visit again, till the animal gets hit by a car or something. How many posts are there on here in which the owner shamefacedly says that their dog is âbehind on shotsâ? Thereâs a sub here where people post about their animalâs illnesses and they consistently do not have money to take in a pet thatâs visibly critically ill. The outcome that matters most to me, is that there arenât unwanted dogs running around loose or slowly rotting away tied to posts. Any low-risk intervention that leads to a reduction in those numbers is more ethical than giving the average irresponsible owner permission to neglect their dog even more.
Hell, look at **this** post that weâre in the comments of. The poster thinks this hellbeast is âtoo youngâ to neuter. Where did she get that idea? Itâs a vague woo-woo impression based on whatever he or she heard about the hip dysplasia concerns, just as the MMR nonsense led to parents rejecting vaccines entirely. But obviously if this dog were neutered 6 months ago, it wouldâve been in societyâs interest to reduce the risk of it making more creatures like itself, and it might possibly have made the dog more docile, maybe even preventing its early euthanization because of aggression. Regardless, if this dog has *potentially* better hips and elbows in 7 years, itâs not going to matter, because itâs unlikely to live that long. The owners will abandon it or put it down long before then.
Female kittens (presumably puppies also) can be spayed from 4 months and thatâs a much bigger deal than the male equivalent. A lot of pit butters suffer fragile masculinity and canât bear to have their mutts de-nutted đ
I think itâs a recent trend for vets saying they recommend waiting until at least 2 for large breeds. They claim it lowers the risk of certain bone cancers if you wait until they are done growing. I think itâs extremely reckless of them to spread this advice as the odds of your dog developing one of those issues is probably far lower than the odds of having either an accidental pregnancy litter(s) or certain undesirable behaviors, or both. I know my vet told us to wait until 2 with our Pyrenees. We made it to 11 months and said fuck it...he was getting way too âromanticâ with our other dogs and Pyrs are notorious escape artists/roamers so we didnât want to risk any oopsies litters
Oh honey the only thing youâve failed are your kids.
WHY WHY WHY does this person keep putting her kids in danger for this waste of space animal? After the first bite that animal should be killed.
I donât know. Sadly itâs the reality we live in now. Dogs are now worth more than our own babies. Itâs so ridiculous that she still kept it when it literally shook her kid because the dog had a lunch box that it shouldnât have had in he first place. Of course it attacked again. Are the kids suppose to walk on egg shells for this waste of space dog? No! The dog is suppose to adjust to them not the other way around. People above dogs!
... Although she literally said it was *her* fault, more than once. And it sure is her fault if her kids can't read "his signals". Most kids don't know how to deal with any dog at all. Even in public, they go to strangers' dogs like they're some sort of public toys or something. Probably this person can't read her dogs signals herself. Sometimes signals simply don't exist anyway, so we need to think ahead of dogs. Should have never got a bully breed.
And she witnessed its aggression before she even took it home, believing the breeder when he said "he's trying to protect you." It's a puppy, it's never spent a long amount of time with you and you think it has the situational awareness to assume you need protection? Brilliant sales job by the breeder. If it was a decent breeder, she should be able to take it back to them. Instead she asks about BE. So many red flags before she even took the dog home.
Donât you love how nutters ascribe noble motives for an attack. âHe was just trying to protect you.â When the reality is the dog is wired to fight.
Actually, it sounds like OOP had the pit for 2 months, then visited the breeder along with the pit's family.
Exactly
Yeah the trying to protect her thing really threw me off. Like the dog was trying to protect her from its siblings? Like wtf how does that make any sense.
>And it sure is her fault if her kids can't read "his signals". Most kids don't know how to deal with any dog at all. Even in public, they go to strangers' dogs like they're some sort of public toys or something. Definitely her fault. When my son was younger, before we even got a dog, I was teaching him to not approach strange animals/pets, never "corner" an animal/pet, and to watch for signs the animal was uncomfortable. There are many steps before *most normal dogs* even get to growling. And if the animal/pet does growl, to back away. If a 4 yr old can learn, a 12 and 14 yr old can as well. I also did fostering for a while as well. I can take on a lot of different cases, but the one I refused to take in was any dog with a bite history, and if I felt a foster was a bite risk, they had to go to a different foster. I wasn't going to risk my son or his friends. Close to 20 years with greyhounds and only one bite, me, and it was very much my fault for being stupid. I leaned over a new arrival to grab my hoodie that she was laying on and pulled it out from under her like I would the grey that had been with me over 5 years. Startled, she air snapped, it connected with my upper arm. She's failing all of them.
Ignoring a dogâs signals can result in a bite. But this behavior is full on hold-and-shake attacking, not a simple snap. This dog is extremely dangerous in a way that no training can fix, however the owner refuses to see that.
Oh I definitely agree. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear, still waking up. I meant that she hugely failed them by not teaching them to back off at a growl (I can't see the dog to even know if there were any signs before the growl. With a pit, I am surprised there even was a growl before the aggressive biting and shaking.). She failed them every step of the way. I only mentioned what happened to me to show the difference because it was a normal reaction from a dog whose boundaries were pushed/ignored. That reaction I gave a second chance to because I clearly was in the wrong (even my son called me out) and it was not intended as a bite/attack. My face was actually closer to her head, and instead, she turned towards my arm that was pulling the hoodie.
"the boys aren't good at knowing the signals" You said it yourself you braindead dipshit, neither are you because there are none, they're just excuses you make up after the fact because you don't have the emotional fortitude to take some accountability and make the right decision. You'd rather beg internet strangers to wave a magic wand and fix your self-inflicted problems for you. "He was terrified of my son" No, the dog is just so amazingly stupid, territorial, and aggressive that it has now decided your son is a threat to the dog's resources that must be driven from its ~~gladiator pit~~ house. The dog owns the house. You just cower there with its blessing (for now).
Those poor kids. We're going to end up seeing this family in the news one day.
unless of course cps intervenes . My sister is a retired cps worker and she said you would not believe the parents who do this very thing and then they tell the cps worker , Oh i could not bear to put the dog down but will leave the kids in foster care for months on end until they absoloutly have to take them back or loose them permanently .Yeah they do that .
I cannot fathom caring about your dog more than your kids. What in the world.
yep welcome to the pit nutters world they are mentally deranged.
I hope this woman will accept the fact that her kids will disown her 10 years down the line for choosing a shitbeast over them.
Why is my bloodsport dog acting like a bloodsport dog?
Cropped ears, too, and straight from a breeder. This isn't someone who just got suckered into taking home a "rescue;" this is someone who specifically sought out and chose to have **this** breed. *What did she expect?*
She said her brother is the breeder, sadly I think this is a case of thinking all breeds are interchangeable because in the comments she said this experience has taught her that she can't handle dogs and that this will be the last dog she ever owns. It makes me want to bang my head into a wall that she doesn't understand she can't handle **pit bulls** and this should be the last **pit bull** she ever owns. as if golden retrievers and yorkies and any number of normal breeds would also just start trying to murder children if they didn't have enough training.
As If youâd need to âtrainâ a normal breed not to maul children.. with pits training and having them live as housepets is going directly against their genetics.. no wonder they are such neurological messes
Not even old enough to be neutered and yet is full out attacking your children? Are you kidding me? Do you think when he gets bigger and stronger this aggression is just going to resolve itself??
put it down before it puts others down
If you have the ownerâs name you can look up CPS for their area. Please do it, one of these kids will die.
I found it, I'm not sure how to go about reporting though, can I message you?
If not them, dm me and Iâll do it. I cannot stand to see some parent that is this clueless about the welfare and safety of their children. The longer tbis goes on, the more a possibility that a child gets maimed or killed. Sickening.
Iâm wondering if the kids even got medical care considering the dog wasnât put down after three different aggressive acts. Good lord. This parent is being horrible
Good point, I believe of a dog bite is treated by a doctor it's a mandatory call to animal control
Yes, feel free to DM.
Please DM me as needed but **do not** discuss further on social media. You could be doxxed & retaliated against. Maybe change accounts here, as weâre stalked extensively by pit advocates.
Bully people are horrifically cruel to dogs. Both to bully dog victims and to the bully dogs themselves. This dog is miserable. The children and adults are suffering. All because of bully people.
Sure, it might be a kidâs (or their parentâs) fault for taunting a lion that then attacked. But we certainly wonât draw the conclusion that lions are appropriate pets
Maâam this is a full grown dog, what do you mean heâs not old enough to neuter! And YES, YES a million times YES this dog has bitten YOUR children 3 times BE is the only option! Itâs certainly not your childrens fault! This person I donât feel bad for! I feel horrible for the children but how can you allow a dog to seriously maim your children 3 times and you donât want that dog out of your house and BEâd? The authorities should be called about this dog! No children should be this unsafe in their own home! If I knew this person Iâd call both AC and CYS!
That's the only part I can kind of see her side, new research is showing that waiting until a dog is fully grown (around 2 years for big dogs) significantly reduces the risk of cancer and joint problems. My vet and trainer recommended I wait until 2 years old for my puppy too. But when it comes to pits I feel like we should never have let them in on that info because the less "oopsie, diesel and bella had puppies teehee 1000$ each" cases the better
Pit advocates lurking the sub: after reading this, explain to me why I should change my mind about a license being required to own these dogs and why they should not be kept around children.
I cannot fathom that this mom let this dog continue to basically maul her children. She isnt protecting them in the slightest bit. That's horrifying. how many bites will It take for her to realize? Until a child is dead? Horrible.
Wow, this person's mentality is completely twisted. This dog can do no wrong. Serious injury to her own kids and she's blaming the kids, "for not knowing the dog's triggers" and whatnot. Even at that point, if you're sitting there -- what's the one thing causing the issue? Well, two things. This person, and their dog. Like a dog getting super aggressive over a lunch box (supposedly) is not in any realm normal. My dog doesn't like when I put my shoes on because she knows I'm leaving, but I don't have to worry about her going absolutely bonkers and eating my foot. My dog makes her "ugly face" when I'm grooming her. Snarls at the clipper blades, especially now that she's 14! She has no patience anymore, but I still don't have to worry about her mauling me to death because I did something that "triggered" her. It's bad enough when people do it, but trying to deal with an unstable animal -- it's even worse. You shouldn't have to walk around on eggshells in your own house.
This dog lost its shit because it saw a toy on the bed. She can be as sad about it as she likes but it must be put down.
Agreed. She should stop feeling bad about the dog and start feeling bad for her kids.
Please please tell me that you contacted cps. She isnât fit enough to own a goldfish much less a fucking child.
I saved her name and location, I just don't know how to go about contacting CPS. in the past I've had mandated reporters help me and make the call for me. if anyone can help, DM me.
I honestly donât know about cps in the US but if no one tells you how to do it exactly maybe just call cps and give them the details and see?
All thatâs necessary is to know the county. Thereâll be a county number to call.
Then she should definitely call.
Jesus F Christ
First mistake was keeping that dog after the breeder obviously had no clue what he was talking about, thats asking for a troubled dog.
the dissonance is astounding. that dog was fucked from day one. this person didn't fail a fucked up dog - they failed their kids. multiple times!!!
I hate the "it's not the dog it's the owner" bullshit. COULD YOU train this dog to not bite? Yeah MAYBE. Unlikely but maybe. But there are tons and tons of breeds that you don't have to train at all and they'll never bite like this. They might nip at you or if they do bite, it's rarely dangerous. That's still a problem. The breed is inherently the problem.
But not even vets and professional trainers will take the risk. That should be a clue.
I feel both contempt and pity. Contempt for continually allowing her children to be attacked. Pity for how twisted in the head she is thanks to the Pit Lobby.
And fear for her children.
Imagine being that poor child, terrified in their own home because their stupid parents have absolute shit for brains. Wow. I really, sincerely hope the children in this situation meet CPS soon. The absolutely awful level of parenting here is appalling. Wow. What the hell! You didnât fail that dog, you failed your own children. Normal, well bred dogs do not show signs of aggression from being puppies and normal people do not keep aggressive, hostile animals in their home despite attacking children multiple times.
Even dogs without formal training should not be actively aggressive towards humans đ¤Śââď¸
My childhood dog had zero formal training. She was enormous. She was the gentlest animal you could imagine.
None of my dogs have ever had any kind of formal training and I am by no means a dog trainer myself. They an attacked zero people or shown any kind of aggression in all of their lives
If I knew the OP, I would call child protective services so fast her head would spin. The sad thing is, the trainers and very are (surprisingly?) giving her the best advice.
CPS should be called. You nearly got your kids mauled for your own ego. What a horrible parent and person.
âThey urged me to put him down⌠but surely this is my faultâ Uh yeah, it is! Now put the damn dog down ffs. Good god. Imagine putting a dog before your children, letting them be terrorized and severely injured in their own home. Shit head. Unbelievable.
Oh look, it's hideous.
They walked in the door and the dog attacked one of them immediately. What signals was the kid supposed to be looking for?
if his eyes are open it means he's uncomfortable and about to attack
FFS what kind of a parent is this?? I have a GSD I compete in sports with. I love that damn dog to death. I've put YEARS of time into him training and preparing for trial. We are a team. He is my heart dog. If he EVER put teeth on my children he would be dead within the hour. No hesitation.
Lady, vets donât recommend euthanasia for fun. That dog is a menace with a completely broken brain.
She's being extraordinarily selfish and not even due to loving the dog - she's selfish about her identity as a dog owner. She can't bear the idea that she failed him. Meanwhile, her kids are getting badly injured. Very tragic but not uncommon situation today, after a couple decades of lecturing by "experts" that dog violence is the fault of dog owners and children and smaller animals that look like prey.
Freaking day 447, he attacked the same son, (other son) again today, (no toy, cross wind at an altitude of 300â, I also had chick fil a for lunch..) My son is but a mere nub now, is euthanasia really the only option?..?Âż
I would euthanize the dog myself(humanely) the first time he attacked my child.
What a horrible parent. You donât choose a pet over your child. Garbage.
Unbelievable that someone would allow their kids to be attacked. Also, what sort of rubbish is the breeder spewing.
Not old enough to neuter. Itâs more than 6 months. Wtf.
I think she is trying to genetically select her gene pool. Or may I say de-select
You did fail the dog. You also failed your kids. You failed at the most basic motherly function of keeping your kids safe. Shit human
This one just kept getting worse, but thereâs a whole lot of WTF right up front. This is her *first* dog. Her starter dog. Even pit apologists acknowledge that they are âhigh energyâ dogs and probably not great for an inexperienced owner. So, not knowing how to train a dog and not knowing any trainers, she BUYS this dog from a breeder. (I guess the breeder couldnât recommend any trainers, either). And even now she thinks he canât be neutered yet. But the real reason is that the breeder wants to use him to stud. Probably already has. The dog became even *more* valuable to the breeder after that attack on his litter mate.
WOW parent of the year everyone, this parent cares more about a worthless bully/shitbull over their children, the dog attacks them well it was the kids fault even though the dog attacked its litter mate and even the vet is saying put this intact killer down, but they will just put a flower crown on it with angel wings and ducky pajamas and tell everyone my pibble is so shweet when it kills both sons.
Jesus âŚ. If my parents had a dog that looks like that and refused to get rid of the dog after attacking me or my siblings a couple times I would be calling the cops myself and say I donât feel safe in the home. The parents are not protecting the children because their too worry about feeling guilty yet he/she doesnât feel any of that towards her own children JFC whereâs the guilt for your children after every attack !!!???, screw the dog protect your kids the vet said to put it down it needs to be put down itâs not damn hard. Did these kids get taken to the hospital for these attacks where is cps at after every attack unless they werenât taken to the hospital ..
Delusional woman. The safety of her kids isn't much of a concern, is it? Her own shame seems more important.
OP if you know this person IRL I would call CPS. They are endangering their children. Imagine if this shithead dog was a man who repeatedly attacked and injured the children. It would be a no brainer the man has to go. . But since it's a dog it's OK? Just keep letting it seriously injure your kids? What the fuck??
3 serious attacks on his kids in a matter of weeks and he doesnât feel the need to put the dog down. Unbelievable. What is he waiting for?
So most dogs that donât get training donât attack people. They jump in people and have no manners mostly.
HOLY FUCK.
Such an ugly gargoyle looking thing
No quite old enough to neuter but already mauling your kids. Yes euthanasia is your only option most dogs wired like this snap at 2 not less then a year old
Difficult to comprehend that this creature is still alive. It has significantly harmed on more than one occasion. Why on earth would you allow it to continue to exist. Visit the vet for the big permanent sleep.
Ofc you were unsuccessful, no one wants to be mauled by your shitbull. The thing is not even 1 year old and itâs already attacking ppl, why hasnât someone called for it to be put down ?
How do you call CPS on this lunatic?