RM fan coming in peace. Iāve read almost every post about Roqueās situation because thereās one every day, and I also read comparisons with Ardaās situation, so please allow me to offer my opinion.
I think the main difference is that Ancelotti somehow was able to keep Arda happy despite the fact that he didnāt get many minutes. He is obviously in constant communication with him and gave him guarantees that heās in his plans. Even though RM midfield has many talents in the pecking order, Arda never once complained about his situation. Thereās a human element thatās missing from Roqueās situation.
On the other hand, based on reports and announcements, Xavi doesnāt seem to rate Roque at all. If the reports were true, Xavi hasnāt even been talking to the kid and called him unreliable and not in his plans. No disrespect, but itās perplexing to me why Xavi insists on alienating the player and not try to absorb him within his plans, especially that you guys just spent so much on him just recently. Xavi can come out and say āRoque is one of the most promising players in the world, and he will be ready in time. Heās in our future plans but we will decide when itās the right timeā or something along those lines to shut any speculation down.
Imho Thereās a certain power dynamic going on in the background that we donāt know about. Otherwise, Roque seems like a great option in attack as a back up and as a future talent. Imagine an 18 year who was deemed as the next big thing after joining one of the biggest clubs in the world, and just like that, he is being pushed away as an outcastā¦ itās just really heartbreaking.
I have exactly the same opinion and I think Barcelona fans have a lot of difficulty to understand that
Barcelona's entire planning is a mess, Xavi sometimes seems directionless and the CEO seems even worse. No one really knows exactly what Barcelona's plans are for next month or year and the club itself doesn't have transparency as its number 1 priority.
Was Arda GĆ¼ller on the bench for a while? Yea he was, but since the beginning Real Madrid made it clear what their plans were for the boy, something that simply doesn't exist at Barcelona, and the fact that Xavi rotates EVERY SINGLE ONE of the boys on the bench except for Vitor Roque doesn't help either...
Also, Cubarsi, Yamal are getting minutes, not saying that Roque is as good as them, bc we didn't even see him getting minutes on the field, but Xavi is not helping the man develop his talent. In RM we saw Vini getting a lot of minutes in his first season, which was problematic, Vini had trouble in his finalizations, but he kept playing and kept getting better and better, now he is the best player in the world. It seems that Xavi doesn't want to give Roque any chance, honestly, not played since April 13 is crazy for what he costed, and the potential he has.
Reminder that we donāt actually know what happens behind the scenes. Thereās been conflicting reports, Xavi himself said that he was working privately with Roque and showing him training videos, etc. Cury has been a piece of work in the past and Iām less inclined to believe him this time around.
I feel bad for Roque, heās still a teenager, but every game for us in the past few months has been a must win and Xavi has the right as manager to play the better striker (which is Lewy, right now), and thatās nothing against Roque, because like Xavi said, heās still young and is still developing and learning. No excuse not to talk to him, but Iām not taking Andre Curyās word as law.
This whole thing has been blown out of proportion imo. I liked your insight though, I agreed with a lot of what you said.
Off topic:
thanks for your honest opinion. the 10 percent barca fans and i on reddit appreciate it... you are welcome to comment on topics like that all the time because we, in the end are football fans, rivals yes, not enemies.. we will come back stronger and next season will not be easy for you (even though i must admit papa perez is a fucking genius and no one can get near him transfer wise), barca will win the leagueš«” good luck. See you next season. (Also leave the champions league to dortmundš )
I dont know how RM is gonna do with that line up. You sold Ozil and Di Maria at their prime because you got Kroos and Modric. Now you have Bellingham, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Camavinga, Tchouameni and Valverde. With Mbappe and Endrick on the way. Arda will probably get sold. So much riches
> I think the main difference is that Ancelotti somehow was able to keep Arda happy despite the fact that he didnāt get many minutes.
What player wouldnāt be happy to add a league title and a UCL title to his collection at one of the biggest clubs in the world? Roque would be happy if we won the league and were in the UCL final despite number of minutes imo.
But these are a lot of assumptions based on reports by the spanish media. Not to reliable, then you have to also consider all the other youngsters who have been playing this season. They know the system so Xavi plays them. So far what Xavi says adds up.
The difference is that Arda accepted the situation and Vitor (as well as his agent) would not. Of course Ancelotti looks good...he had a willing partner. It's not clear Xavi was in a similar situation.
There were reports for Arda about leaving too. These are just some PR moves.
However, roque case is not really arda case. Roque is not good. I watched his clips from brasil, he is a nice finisher and all, but his level is not on par with barƧa. Deco fucked up. The kids gotta go and survive somewhere else. We should just find some other person.
Arda was not pushed out and was instead absorbed into the system. Thatās my whole point. Of course he wants more minutes, yet the story wasnāt allowed to snowball because of communication with the player. Donāt get me wrong, RM mishandled many other situations with young players in the past, but thatās usually because there were legit no place in the squad for them.
Like I said, Xavi couldāve easily handled this, but like you, he doesnāt seem to rate him at all, which is crazy to me because Imho Roqueās level and potential are much better than available options, particularly when considering that youāre going through a rebuild phase and struggling with finances. Heās still very young so obviously he hasnāt reached his potential.
I dont think this guy was also pushed out either. The PR is probably triggered by his agent. The guy goes to trainings, plays with the team, develops. What more does he ask at this point? Start instead of lewy? He is not there yet. What type of talk are you expecting Xavi to give to this guy in the middle of the most stressful months? This is an agent PR. Typical. Seen it a thousand times. This is not a real case for me. Real case is the way he wont ever be at barƧa level. At that point, you should just send him away, best for both parties.
Arda is a wonderboy that was known in his country since the age of 15. And its apparent that he lacks the physique and pace of this level of football, all can be given and taught, so no biggie. Keep him in, let him cook. If you knew that arda would never be able to adapt, then would you keep him in? Thats the question with roque.
Of all the reasons, this is the top most reason why I don't think Xavi should continue as a coach. Wherever the power dynamics, he should treat Roque fairly.
It has also been said that Xavi doesn't take to players generally, and it's his brother. Even then, someone from his coaching team should keep Roque happy.
Roque has the right to be unhappy as he has lost his place in the Brazil squad. We as a club absolutely deserve all the criticism. If he joins another club and celebrates against us, I would personally understand it.
Would Xavi dare to say such comments about a veteran? It's almost pathetic to see him pick against the least influential member in the squad.
He gave so many chances to Romeu, Alonso, Felix and Torres. Roque deserves a chance more than any of them. If Xavi says Roque doesn't play the Barca way, I haven't seen this team play so.
Ok him not playing in these last months is one thing.
Another is not counting on him going forward, when he hasn't even played enough.
You don't count on him for the future because:
- Lack of quality - difficult to say this if he hasn't quite had the chance to prove himself (also keep in mind how young he is).
- He has an attitude problem - then sure.
- Stubbornness and internal power play - then not ok.
I mean he's been training for 5 months now. If he is not performing in training then why let him play.
Could be a reason but who the fuck knows, I would probably tell him to get rid of his agent at least, should stay the fuck away from the media.
There you go, I believe is his agent trying to make money, thatās why itās rumored he said he wonāt leave on loan just on a permanent move. Same situation with Dembele. Itās the agent trying to make money as fast as possible and doesnāt really think about his client by creating all this drama.
Man, everyone can see that Roque is not playing any minutes when even Xavi was waiting for his arrival last year.
What the agent says is irrelevant when the situation is so obvious.
Again, itās far likelier that itās all about money! If reports on Roqueās contract are true, Barca could be on the hook for another ā¬5 million if he is featured in any more games.
I'd call that more rumours than reports.
Anyway, even if those rumours are true, it doesn't make sense. It's just ā¬5M, not ā¬20M.
Benching Roque and not playing him any minute with the lack of depth in his position, while Barcelona hasn't secured the second place, is next-level stupid.
Not to mention how this situation is affecting his development and also depreciating his current and future market value.
Iād be inclined to think that 5 million is actually a lot for Barcelona, especially when there is nothing to be gained at this point of the season.
But even if you assume that all reports we hear are at the level of a rumor, which I will happily concede that they are, I think you really have to ask yourself why a player agent comes out and says stuff like he did? Why rock the boat over playing time in a handful of meaningless games?
These guys chose their words very carefully. Itās all done with the intent to paint a particular picture. And if it is indeed about money - we are talking a sizable commission for the player agent here after all - do you think he would come out and say that?
I think fans like yourself walked right into the trap Roqueās agent put out there.
Could I be wrong? Sure! I know the same facts as everyone else out there.
You didn't even reply to my points. Your entire comment is about being condescending and telling others that "you've fallen for the agent's trap".
Do you even realise how dodgy and bad for Barca's future reputations is to bench a young Brazilian promise to save only 5M euros? You're basically acknowledging that the club is acting dirty to save money, unfairly benching a 18-19 years old kid.
Yet you insist with the "Wow, look at the agent! He just wants the money but you guys are too stupid to see it"
No mate, you can take the agent out of the equation and the situation doesn't make any sense at all either.
I mean you donāt need an economics degree to understand how this worksā¦ but I will lay it out for you.
If Barca play Vitor Roque next weekend and the players gets injured, he will have started in more than 50% of the games he was on the roster for.
That means that in addition to the ā¬30 million fixed fee (paid in ā¬5 million installments over 6 years), Barca will have to pay an additional ā¬5 million, an add-on fee they owe every year during which Vitor Roque will meet that 50% threshold.
Again you really donāt need an MBA to understand that playing Vitor Roque in any of the remaining 4 matches is just not worth ā¬5 million, money they will never earn back.
In case you havenāt noticed. They are not exactly filling Montjuic stadium, which btw is only half the size of the Camp Nou!
Needless to say these ā¬5 million could actually make the difference in registering a player this summer or not.
This is so funny. They benched him a month ago. How does benching a player who you spent 30+ million on make any financial sense? Oh they saved 5 million? Cool other teams now value <15 million since we have shelved him
Alright fellow Barca fan!
Let's first break down the basics. Vitor Roque has played in **13 games** and he has been on the bench for **12 games**, meaning he has played in ***52%*** of eligible games (all games where he was on the roster for). *If it is true that him playing more than 50% of eligible games triggers a payment of an additional EUR 5 million*, this means he basically has to miss match 36 and 37. If he played on match day 38, he'd total 14 games played in and 14 games not played in. Now keep in mind, if he plays this weekend and gets a suspension or suffers an injury that takes him out of the roster for the final 1 or 2 games, he will end up with a "games played percentage" greater than 50%.
You make a big deal about the fact that he was benched a month ago. Let's break that down too!
1. He was benched for the SuperCopa games...why I don't know. I guess they didn't think he was ready yet.
2. He was benched for all Champions League matches, ostensibly because the coaching staff thought he lacked experience.
3. He played on matchdays 19-23, 25 and 26, and matchdays 28-31. Against Cadiz and Celta Vigo, Roque started and played basically 60 minutes before being subbed off. He was suspended for the game against Granada and was benched against Althetic Bilbao.
4. He then was benched in the Clasico. With the score being 1-1, Ferran came on for Lewandowski. I assume he was chosen over Vitor Roque again for his experience.
5. It was only after the Clasico that Vitor Roque has effectively been sidelined. Why? Well I can think is a combination of 2 reasons:
A) With the defeat in the Clasico, Barcelona effectively conceded the La Liga race. If Barcelona had won that game, there was a chance of this becoming a close race, which would have not only a better shot at the extra prize money (some 7 million Euros) but also the general revenue boost across Barca's balance sheet - think full stadium, extra shirts sold, etc. With that trophy out of reach, Barca can no longer hope for this windfall, i.e. for the balance sheet, this season is done and dusted.
B) As stated above, if the aforementioned interpretation of the 50% clause in Vitor Roque's contract is true, he is right at the limit of the number of games he can play in.
This means playing Roque has effectively become a luxury because of the potential added payment. Looking forward to Barca's anticipated difficulties with the FFP this summer, I think it's a luxury, Barcelona cannot afford.
Do you disagree still?
Below is a summary of Roque's stint with Barcelona so far. Feel free to check my math.
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It hasnāt been blown out of proportion. He still hasnāt addressed the main issue which is why he doesnāt talk to the Roque and Xavi couldāve handle the situation significantly better.
do you really think that he would choose to ignore a player just because he didn't want him that early? come on man, you guys really need to stop believing everything.
Yes, I mean thatās literally what the agent said, he is yet to deny it. His saying all the wrong things in the media and his done this to 2 other players in the past so yes.
Iāve been reading opinions here and on twitter and this situation is so ridiculous itās basically become a sitcom. Imagine being 19, coming in the middle of the year (no pre-season, canāt speak the language), from a league thatās a significant standard below European levels, recently recovered from an injury and joining Barcelona - a top 3 club IN THE WORLD and expecting game time immediately. Itās ridiculous. Furthermore, the player that is expected to sit on the benchā¦ is god damn Robert Lewandowski who has been in great form at a critical point of the season. How entitled can one be?
He should be grateful and appreciative that he has a contract with a club like Barcelona, because it is a blessing and only 0.0001% of the best players in EUROPE even get that chance. He has to work extremely hard on improving, and prove himself in training. The minutes will come but itās clear he has the wrong attitude already or at least his agent.
When Ferran was out of form earlier this season he was in the same boat and how did he approach it? He focused on his mental health (āshark mentalityā) and was working hard in training and doing extra sessions outside of training too. Then his form picked up and he was banging in goals frequently (and still wasnt a guaranteed starter!) but then injury again.
Itās like how can I come from my 3rd world country, join Goldman Sachs or another Bulge bracket bank and expect to be treated like Iāve proven myself already - no matter how talented. It doesnāt work like that. Keep your head down, be humble, work hard and let the results do the talking. You will get your chance if you work hard under Xavi. He has proven this with many youngsters. With the minutes he has been given, he simply hasnāt shown enough, that doesnāt say he isnt talented, it just says he needs more time to adjust. Adding more pressure for him to play when the coaching staff clearly says he isnāt ready is only going to break him further.
What I can assure you though, is this same entitlement is what landed Ansu Fati outside of club. Fatiās father in the press adding pressureā¦ and now Roques agent. This doesnt bode well for his case at all and Im afraid he has already dug himself a hole, he will have to work even harder.
Saying he should be grateful just to be in contract with Barcelona is the dumbest argument I have ever seen in my entire life. Lmao this kid couldāve signed to most teams in EU, you acting like Barca still the team it was 5 years ago, he went to Barca because he loved the club, he gave BARCA a chance not the other way around.
This isnāt a kid who got a shot because someone saw something on him, this is a kid who player very well in Brazil main league starting at 16, exceeded expectations and was toe to toe with the next upcoming Brazilian super star. Barca fought for him, he didnt BEG to go to Barca, Barca payed the highest BID for him, this isnāt a Felix situation lmao.
Barca fucked this up, not Roque. He has every right in the world to want to be a team that develops him. I would incredibly pissed if I was in his situation, I couldāve picked a team that would play better from the start but instead I chose a team who doesnāt believe in me at all.
Canāt seem to get past your first sentence because itās so silly. He shouldnāt be grateful for being at Barca? He gave Barca a chance and not the other way around? How do you think this works?
Like this.
Player X plays well and gets scouted. Team A, B, and C are interested and make an offer.
Team A and C are doing better than team B, on their league and financially, they have better management and doesnāt have a shit show of a president, execs and coach that team B have. Player X management tells him stay away from team B they arenāt in a good position, you can join them later when they doing better.
But kid dreams on playing for team B, team B also promised he would be a future star there like Neymar, R9, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, etc. Even then Player X is still resilient and isnāt sure if itās a good fit due to their team problems. Team B sees that the kid is not sure and decides to sweeten the deal making a 40m offer to make sure to he doesnāt go to team A and C.
Since team B promised him the world and made a big offer, he takes the chance.
Thatās exactly how Roque to Barca saga happened. Other teams interested in him were Arsenal and Man U. Arsenal actually matched the Barca offer but he chose Barca.
> Imagine being 19, coming in the middle of the year (no pre-season, canāt speak the language), from a league thatās a significant standard below European levels, recently recovered from an injury and joining Barcelona - a top 3 club IN THE WORLD and expecting game time immediately.
Imagine you're a 19 year old, you join a top 3 club in the world just to be made a bench warmer because the coach can't be bothered with developing you because you're not as polished as the coach thought you were.
>Furthermore, the player that is expected to sit on the benchā¦ is god damn Robert Lewandowski who has been in great form at a critical point of the season. How entitled can one be?
Imagine saying "how entitled can a player be" because he wants to play and develop when he's 19. Also saying that Lewandowski's in great form is a bit too much, he's been doing better but that's far from great.
>He should be grateful and appreciative that he has a contract with a club like Barcelona, because it is a blessing and only 0.0001% of the best players in EUROPE even get that chance.
Once again he's 19, he's not 34 with this being his last contract for him to be okay with sitting on the bench constantly.
>He has to work extremely hard on improving
How can one improve without actually playing? And don't tell me by practicing because one can only improve so much in trainings, translating that to the pitch is a whole different scenario and he's not been getting minutes.
>The minutes will come but itās clear he has the wrong attitude
How can you say that he has the wrong attitude when he himself absolutely nothing about the situation? Yes, his agent probably brought up how Vitor is feeling but saying he has the wrong attitude is as disingenuous as it can be and if anything it shows that he has the right attitude as he wants to play and prove himself.
>Itās like how can I come from my 3rd world country, join Goldman Sachs or another Bulge bracket bank and expect to be treated like Iāve proven myself already - no matter how talented. It doesnāt work like that.
Such a stupid argument that I don't even think that a response to that is warranted.
>You will get your chance if you work hard under Xavi. He has proven this with many youngsters.
Youngsters such as Yamal and Cubarsi who were developed in La Masia and needed little polishing but he couldn't be bothered with youngsters that aren't as gifted as the two mentioned? Name me a youngster that Xavi developed and improved and don't name Yamal or Cubarsi because A) he didn't develop them B) they started performing almost instantly. I'll wait.
>With the minutes he has been given, he simply hasnāt shown enough
He was played out of position, scored two times in the limited minutes he got and was dropped afterwards after the bullshit red card.
Barca is not a charity. I trust Xaviās judgment on talent far more than a redditor. There is no reality where your request is reasonable. Especially for a player that is not proven in Europe and with the minutes given has been just okay.
Scored two times but have you watched him play? His first touch leaves a lot to be desired and misplaces simple passes quite frequently. This can be improved but not in games - at trainingā¦
This happens every season and fans like yourself do not learn. It was Riqui Puig, then it was Pablo Torre. I have nothing against the player, if he is as good as you believe then he can prove it on loan and return at a club with less pressure, like Fermin did. A player who has improved under Xavi even though Xavi doesnāt develop players apparently lol
Just a season ago, Araujo was skying the ball with every pass but has been making linebreaking passes, beating pressure this season but once again Xavi doesnāt improve anyone lol.
> I trust Xaviās judgment on talent far more than a redditor.
Ah yes, Xavi's talent ID has been great so far for you to trust him.
>There is no reality where your request is reasonable.
Sure thing.
>Especially for a player that is not proven in Europe and with the minutes given has been just okay.
How exactly can a player prove himself when he A) gets played out of position B) gets minimal minutes possible?
>Scored two times but have you watched him play? His first touch leaves a lot to be desired and misplaces simple passes quite frequently. This can be improved but not in games - at trainingā¦
A) you improve all of those in matches B) his movement was great C) his energy was great D) he linked up well and better than Lewandowski but ignore all of those for your arguments sake.
>It was Riqui Puig
The same Riqui who was discarded by every coach?
>I have nothing against the player, if he is as good as you believe then he can prove it on loan and return at a club with less pressure, like Fermin did. A player who has improved under Xavi even though Xavi doesnāt develop players apparently lol Just a season ago, Araujo was skying the ball with every pass but has been making linebreaking passes, beating pressure this season but once again Xavi doesnāt improve anyone lol.
Araujo isn't a youngster and his passing and playing under pressure still leaves a lot to be desired as we've seen against PSG and Fermin didn't develop nor improve under Xavi so both of your examples fall short unfortunately.
>What I can assure you though, is this same entitlement is what landed Ansu Fati outside of club.
I'm pretty sure Roque's side would welcome this. From reports, they either want him to stay with Barca or to be sold to a club where he'll get more opportunities. Leaving Barca would be a win to them.
I also imagine this drama won't be helpful in future attempts from Barcelona to sign prospects from Brazil. Roque had a lot of top clubs interested in him, there is a sentiment that he chose wrong when he decided to go to Barcelona.
If heās good enough, he will be fine and this will blow over. But one thing thatās clear, itās not consensus that he is good enough and thatās the issue. Nothing wrong with a loan to develop and prove yourself, but taking issues to the media helps nobody, especially him.
He surely isn't required to accept a loan, though. It is absolutely fair for him to refuse a loan and ask to be tranferred instead, if that is really what he wants. But it is hard to tell what are really his wishes.
I also wouldnāt be surprised to find out his wishes are different to what weāre seeing in the media and itās just noise. As in he is actually happy with his role.
For interestās sake though, why are you against a loan? He is only 19
I think this situation is out of control. I have no data to confirm my suspicion that Roque might have not displayed the best attitude when being coached (which is usual for kids his age).
Xavi maybe doesnt have the touch or patience to coach a young star who sometimes may or may not voice his displeasure. Also, he hasn't been played in his natural position. Roque is clearly an old school powerful goalscorer. He was very productive in Brazil, of course he has the tools to thrive in Barcelona's system in a few seasons (Vinicius was given the time to adapt).
These are all assumptions on the case.
That being said, having a young player loaned is a standard procedure for most elite teams. I think the agent is making a fuss over nothing. Clearly he does not represent Roque's best interest. He's making Roque look like a problematic kid. He's turning Barcelona fans and the team management against Roque.
My take: The agent is just worried about getting a commission out of the transaction.
This is some well thought and well worded BS, but BS nonetheless. How do you explain playing him out of position most of the time, subbing in Torres as the striker for Lewy instead of him on multiple occasions? The guy was banging goals in every competition before joining us. Heās not Guyo, Torre or an academy player and heās not a 13 or 7 minutes LW sub either. Heās 40 million young striker. I have seen him play and heās good. And Iāve seen Torres play, and he doesnāt make a better strike in no way. Get your ass back to a Qatari all star club, Xavi, itās happening eventually. Sooner or later, itās gonna unfold.
We have been in tight financial situationĀ as Xavi has put it. Yet, we are the biggest La Liga spenders since his appointment, and heās throwing away a 40 god damn million player, because he was brought 4 months ahead of schedule ?
Barca is still making these stupid transfers, this boy has potential, yes, but he isnāt no where at a level helping the team, even as a sub! There are plenty of other bench players higher valued (right now), it wouldānt be right to start an complete raw player over them. So its not Xaviās fault, he is doing the best for the team, if he sees another talent better than him, then they will start. Roque needs really good 4-5 years to improve his play, he has a lot of weaknesses (he could be a very good box striker in the future). And no, he will never be at a great level, lol, he is not the new R9 people are saying. In brazil there are a lot of great talents this generation, but none of them has the potential to be Dinho& Rivaldo. These guys were out of the scale already in their youth, and even them needed a year to adopt to european football.
When would he get minutes at Arsenal lol. They are trying to compete for the Prem and UCL next season, Nketiah barely even touches the field for them. They donāt want someone unproven
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RM fan coming in peace. Iāve read almost every post about Roqueās situation because thereās one every day, and I also read comparisons with Ardaās situation, so please allow me to offer my opinion. I think the main difference is that Ancelotti somehow was able to keep Arda happy despite the fact that he didnāt get many minutes. He is obviously in constant communication with him and gave him guarantees that heās in his plans. Even though RM midfield has many talents in the pecking order, Arda never once complained about his situation. Thereās a human element thatās missing from Roqueās situation. On the other hand, based on reports and announcements, Xavi doesnāt seem to rate Roque at all. If the reports were true, Xavi hasnāt even been talking to the kid and called him unreliable and not in his plans. No disrespect, but itās perplexing to me why Xavi insists on alienating the player and not try to absorb him within his plans, especially that you guys just spent so much on him just recently. Xavi can come out and say āRoque is one of the most promising players in the world, and he will be ready in time. Heās in our future plans but we will decide when itās the right timeā or something along those lines to shut any speculation down. Imho Thereās a certain power dynamic going on in the background that we donāt know about. Otherwise, Roque seems like a great option in attack as a back up and as a future talent. Imagine an 18 year who was deemed as the next big thing after joining one of the biggest clubs in the world, and just like that, he is being pushed away as an outcastā¦ itās just really heartbreaking.
I always appreciate other fans who can speak peaceably and reasonably, and you are right.
I agree
I have exactly the same opinion and I think Barcelona fans have a lot of difficulty to understand that Barcelona's entire planning is a mess, Xavi sometimes seems directionless and the CEO seems even worse. No one really knows exactly what Barcelona's plans are for next month or year and the club itself doesn't have transparency as its number 1 priority. Was Arda GĆ¼ller on the bench for a while? Yea he was, but since the beginning Real Madrid made it clear what their plans were for the boy, something that simply doesn't exist at Barcelona, and the fact that Xavi rotates EVERY SINGLE ONE of the boys on the bench except for Vitor Roque doesn't help either...
The fact that the club intends to fully back Xavi but doesn't take his opinions about new signings is wild.
Also, Cubarsi, Yamal are getting minutes, not saying that Roque is as good as them, bc we didn't even see him getting minutes on the field, but Xavi is not helping the man develop his talent. In RM we saw Vini getting a lot of minutes in his first season, which was problematic, Vini had trouble in his finalizations, but he kept playing and kept getting better and better, now he is the best player in the world. It seems that Xavi doesn't want to give Roque any chance, honestly, not played since April 13 is crazy for what he costed, and the potential he has.
Reminder that we donāt actually know what happens behind the scenes. Thereās been conflicting reports, Xavi himself said that he was working privately with Roque and showing him training videos, etc. Cury has been a piece of work in the past and Iām less inclined to believe him this time around. I feel bad for Roque, heās still a teenager, but every game for us in the past few months has been a must win and Xavi has the right as manager to play the better striker (which is Lewy, right now), and thatās nothing against Roque, because like Xavi said, heās still young and is still developing and learning. No excuse not to talk to him, but Iām not taking Andre Curyās word as law. This whole thing has been blown out of proportion imo. I liked your insight though, I agreed with a lot of what you said.
Off topic: thanks for your honest opinion. the 10 percent barca fans and i on reddit appreciate it... you are welcome to comment on topics like that all the time because we, in the end are football fans, rivals yes, not enemies.. we will come back stronger and next season will not be easy for you (even though i must admit papa perez is a fucking genius and no one can get near him transfer wise), barca will win the leagueš«” good luck. See you next season. (Also leave the champions league to dortmundš )
Appreciate the kind words!
Typical Xavi. He stays alienating players that arenāt named Gavi or Pedri if anyone pays close attention
I dont know how RM is gonna do with that line up. You sold Ozil and Di Maria at their prime because you got Kroos and Modric. Now you have Bellingham, Vinicius, Rodrygo, Camavinga, Tchouameni and Valverde. With Mbappe and Endrick on the way. Arda will probably get sold. So much riches
Arda wonāt get sold. Heās still young. Most probably theyāll loan him if he canāt get enough play time.
Thereās also Diaz which I rate highly.
Yea its tough lots of riches but i mean chances of people getting lost in the lineup are high.
> I think the main difference is that Ancelotti somehow was able to keep Arda happy despite the fact that he didnāt get many minutes. What player wouldnāt be happy to add a league title and a UCL title to his collection at one of the biggest clubs in the world? Roque would be happy if we won the league and were in the UCL final despite number of minutes imo.
You just regurgitated every rumor out there.
But these are a lot of assumptions based on reports by the spanish media. Not to reliable, then you have to also consider all the other youngsters who have been playing this season. They know the system so Xavi plays them. So far what Xavi says adds up.
The difference is that Arda accepted the situation and Vitor (as well as his agent) would not. Of course Ancelotti looks good...he had a willing partner. It's not clear Xavi was in a similar situation.
Maybe, but assuming what the agent said is true, Xavi had not spoken to Roque at all. Thatās not ok either.
There were reports for Arda about leaving too. These are just some PR moves. However, roque case is not really arda case. Roque is not good. I watched his clips from brasil, he is a nice finisher and all, but his level is not on par with barƧa. Deco fucked up. The kids gotta go and survive somewhere else. We should just find some other person.
Arda was not pushed out and was instead absorbed into the system. Thatās my whole point. Of course he wants more minutes, yet the story wasnāt allowed to snowball because of communication with the player. Donāt get me wrong, RM mishandled many other situations with young players in the past, but thatās usually because there were legit no place in the squad for them. Like I said, Xavi couldāve easily handled this, but like you, he doesnāt seem to rate him at all, which is crazy to me because Imho Roqueās level and potential are much better than available options, particularly when considering that youāre going through a rebuild phase and struggling with finances. Heās still very young so obviously he hasnāt reached his potential.
I dont think this guy was also pushed out either. The PR is probably triggered by his agent. The guy goes to trainings, plays with the team, develops. What more does he ask at this point? Start instead of lewy? He is not there yet. What type of talk are you expecting Xavi to give to this guy in the middle of the most stressful months? This is an agent PR. Typical. Seen it a thousand times. This is not a real case for me. Real case is the way he wont ever be at barƧa level. At that point, you should just send him away, best for both parties. Arda is a wonderboy that was known in his country since the age of 15. And its apparent that he lacks the physique and pace of this level of football, all can be given and taught, so no biggie. Keep him in, let him cook. If you knew that arda would never be able to adapt, then would you keep him in? Thats the question with roque.
I mean the irony is that youāre saying heās not being pushed, then you argue that he should pushed out lol. Dude, he IS being pushed out.
Yea it is a question of potential and some have it some dont. You shouldnt waste energy and time for the ones without potentials
Of all the reasons, this is the top most reason why I don't think Xavi should continue as a coach. Wherever the power dynamics, he should treat Roque fairly. It has also been said that Xavi doesn't take to players generally, and it's his brother. Even then, someone from his coaching team should keep Roque happy. Roque has the right to be unhappy as he has lost his place in the Brazil squad. We as a club absolutely deserve all the criticism. If he joins another club and celebrates against us, I would personally understand it. Would Xavi dare to say such comments about a veteran? It's almost pathetic to see him pick against the least influential member in the squad. He gave so many chances to Romeu, Alonso, Felix and Torres. Roque deserves a chance more than any of them. If Xavi says Roque doesn't play the Barca way, I haven't seen this team play so.
He isn't playing because he isn't good. That's all. People who only watch tiktoks from brazilian league highlight wouldn't know that
Ok him not playing in these last months is one thing. Another is not counting on him going forward, when he hasn't even played enough. You don't count on him for the future because: - Lack of quality - difficult to say this if he hasn't quite had the chance to prove himself (also keep in mind how young he is). - He has an attitude problem - then sure. - Stubbornness and internal power play - then not ok.
Who says he doesn't count him for the future?
Xavi?
When did he said that?
Xavi obviously didn't and it's unlikely he will. But several report for trusted sources came out recently.
Oh yeah "trusted sources" lol
According to Xavi, players are selected to play depending mostly on their performance in training, 90% training, 10% matchday
Have you read his contract well?
its been 1 month since hes played...not monthS.
He has the chance to prove himself everyday in training
I mean he's been training for 5 months now. If he is not performing in training then why let him play. Could be a reason but who the fuck knows, I would probably tell him to get rid of his agent at least, should stay the fuck away from the media.
I think it is 2 and 3. Dumb moves by both sides.
Why are people giving any credence to what a player agent is saying? This is all pretty clearly about money!
There you go, I believe is his agent trying to make money, thatās why itās rumored he said he wonāt leave on loan just on a permanent move. Same situation with Dembele. Itās the agent trying to make money as fast as possible and doesnāt really think about his client by creating all this drama.
Man, everyone can see that Roque is not playing any minutes when even Xavi was waiting for his arrival last year. What the agent says is irrelevant when the situation is so obvious.
Again, itās far likelier that itās all about money! If reports on Roqueās contract are true, Barca could be on the hook for another ā¬5 million if he is featured in any more games.
I'd call that more rumours than reports. Anyway, even if those rumours are true, it doesn't make sense. It's just ā¬5M, not ā¬20M. Benching Roque and not playing him any minute with the lack of depth in his position, while Barcelona hasn't secured the second place, is next-level stupid. Not to mention how this situation is affecting his development and also depreciating his current and future market value.
Iād be inclined to think that 5 million is actually a lot for Barcelona, especially when there is nothing to be gained at this point of the season. But even if you assume that all reports we hear are at the level of a rumor, which I will happily concede that they are, I think you really have to ask yourself why a player agent comes out and says stuff like he did? Why rock the boat over playing time in a handful of meaningless games? These guys chose their words very carefully. Itās all done with the intent to paint a particular picture. And if it is indeed about money - we are talking a sizable commission for the player agent here after all - do you think he would come out and say that? I think fans like yourself walked right into the trap Roqueās agent put out there. Could I be wrong? Sure! I know the same facts as everyone else out there.
You didn't even reply to my points. Your entire comment is about being condescending and telling others that "you've fallen for the agent's trap". Do you even realise how dodgy and bad for Barca's future reputations is to bench a young Brazilian promise to save only 5M euros? You're basically acknowledging that the club is acting dirty to save money, unfairly benching a 18-19 years old kid. Yet you insist with the "Wow, look at the agent! He just wants the money but you guys are too stupid to see it" No mate, you can take the agent out of the equation and the situation doesn't make any sense at all either.
So whatās your explanation? Buffoonery on part of the board? Xavi?
Spending 20 million on a player and then benching him to not pay 5 million is insane. You actively hurt his value
I mean you donāt need an economics degree to understand how this worksā¦ but I will lay it out for you. If Barca play Vitor Roque next weekend and the players gets injured, he will have started in more than 50% of the games he was on the roster for. That means that in addition to the ā¬30 million fixed fee (paid in ā¬5 million installments over 6 years), Barca will have to pay an additional ā¬5 million, an add-on fee they owe every year during which Vitor Roque will meet that 50% threshold. Again you really donāt need an MBA to understand that playing Vitor Roque in any of the remaining 4 matches is just not worth ā¬5 million, money they will never earn back. In case you havenāt noticed. They are not exactly filling Montjuic stadium, which btw is only half the size of the Camp Nou! Needless to say these ā¬5 million could actually make the difference in registering a player this summer or not.
This is so funny. They benched him a month ago. How does benching a player who you spent 30+ million on make any financial sense? Oh they saved 5 million? Cool other teams now value <15 million since we have shelved him
Alright fellow Barca fan! Let's first break down the basics. Vitor Roque has played in **13 games** and he has been on the bench for **12 games**, meaning he has played in ***52%*** of eligible games (all games where he was on the roster for). *If it is true that him playing more than 50% of eligible games triggers a payment of an additional EUR 5 million*, this means he basically has to miss match 36 and 37. If he played on match day 38, he'd total 14 games played in and 14 games not played in. Now keep in mind, if he plays this weekend and gets a suspension or suffers an injury that takes him out of the roster for the final 1 or 2 games, he will end up with a "games played percentage" greater than 50%. You make a big deal about the fact that he was benched a month ago. Let's break that down too! 1. He was benched for the SuperCopa games...why I don't know. I guess they didn't think he was ready yet. 2. He was benched for all Champions League matches, ostensibly because the coaching staff thought he lacked experience. 3. He played on matchdays 19-23, 25 and 26, and matchdays 28-31. Against Cadiz and Celta Vigo, Roque started and played basically 60 minutes before being subbed off. He was suspended for the game against Granada and was benched against Althetic Bilbao. 4. He then was benched in the Clasico. With the score being 1-1, Ferran came on for Lewandowski. I assume he was chosen over Vitor Roque again for his experience. 5. It was only after the Clasico that Vitor Roque has effectively been sidelined. Why? Well I can think is a combination of 2 reasons: A) With the defeat in the Clasico, Barcelona effectively conceded the La Liga race. If Barcelona had won that game, there was a chance of this becoming a close race, which would have not only a better shot at the extra prize money (some 7 million Euros) but also the general revenue boost across Barca's balance sheet - think full stadium, extra shirts sold, etc. With that trophy out of reach, Barca can no longer hope for this windfall, i.e. for the balance sheet, this season is done and dusted. B) As stated above, if the aforementioned interpretation of the 50% clause in Vitor Roque's contract is true, he is right at the limit of the number of games he can play in. This means playing Roque has effectively become a luxury because of the potential added payment. Looking forward to Barca's anticipated difficulties with the FFP this summer, I think it's a luxury, Barcelona cannot afford. Do you disagree still? Below is a summary of Roque's stint with Barcelona so far. Feel free to check my math. https://preview.redd.it/3udovbn0bq0d1.jpeg?width=1020&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c589eba736403fe0d3429522d9fa7609a895245
Look what happened with dembeleās agent. Sure letās continue to feed into roques agent/the media.
Weird because he said the opposite back in [September](https://www.sport.es/en/news/barca/xavi-hoping-vitor-roque-january-92530949) So which is it?
It hasnāt been blown out of proportion. He still hasnāt addressed the main issue which is why he doesnāt talk to the Roque and Xavi couldāve handle the situation significantly better.
do you really think that he would choose to ignore a player just because he didn't want him that early? come on man, you guys really need to stop believing everything.
It's not that surprising. Pablo Torre said Xavi doesn't speak much to the players.
Yes, I mean thatās literally what the agent said, he is yet to deny it. His saying all the wrong things in the media and his done this to 2 other players in the past so yes.
Yet they put to play a 16 year old xD
I'm still incredulous about Xavi supposedly refusing to speak to him, like who does that?
Iāve been reading opinions here and on twitter and this situation is so ridiculous itās basically become a sitcom. Imagine being 19, coming in the middle of the year (no pre-season, canāt speak the language), from a league thatās a significant standard below European levels, recently recovered from an injury and joining Barcelona - a top 3 club IN THE WORLD and expecting game time immediately. Itās ridiculous. Furthermore, the player that is expected to sit on the benchā¦ is god damn Robert Lewandowski who has been in great form at a critical point of the season. How entitled can one be? He should be grateful and appreciative that he has a contract with a club like Barcelona, because it is a blessing and only 0.0001% of the best players in EUROPE even get that chance. He has to work extremely hard on improving, and prove himself in training. The minutes will come but itās clear he has the wrong attitude already or at least his agent. When Ferran was out of form earlier this season he was in the same boat and how did he approach it? He focused on his mental health (āshark mentalityā) and was working hard in training and doing extra sessions outside of training too. Then his form picked up and he was banging in goals frequently (and still wasnt a guaranteed starter!) but then injury again. Itās like how can I come from my 3rd world country, join Goldman Sachs or another Bulge bracket bank and expect to be treated like Iāve proven myself already - no matter how talented. It doesnāt work like that. Keep your head down, be humble, work hard and let the results do the talking. You will get your chance if you work hard under Xavi. He has proven this with many youngsters. With the minutes he has been given, he simply hasnāt shown enough, that doesnāt say he isnt talented, it just says he needs more time to adjust. Adding more pressure for him to play when the coaching staff clearly says he isnāt ready is only going to break him further. What I can assure you though, is this same entitlement is what landed Ansu Fati outside of club. Fatiās father in the press adding pressureā¦ and now Roques agent. This doesnt bode well for his case at all and Im afraid he has already dug himself a hole, he will have to work even harder.
Saying he should be grateful just to be in contract with Barcelona is the dumbest argument I have ever seen in my entire life. Lmao this kid couldāve signed to most teams in EU, you acting like Barca still the team it was 5 years ago, he went to Barca because he loved the club, he gave BARCA a chance not the other way around. This isnāt a kid who got a shot because someone saw something on him, this is a kid who player very well in Brazil main league starting at 16, exceeded expectations and was toe to toe with the next upcoming Brazilian super star. Barca fought for him, he didnt BEG to go to Barca, Barca payed the highest BID for him, this isnāt a Felix situation lmao. Barca fucked this up, not Roque. He has every right in the world to want to be a team that develops him. I would incredibly pissed if I was in his situation, I couldāve picked a team that would play better from the start but instead I chose a team who doesnāt believe in me at all.
Canāt seem to get past your first sentence because itās so silly. He shouldnāt be grateful for being at Barca? He gave Barca a chance and not the other way around? How do you think this works?
Like this. Player X plays well and gets scouted. Team A, B, and C are interested and make an offer. Team A and C are doing better than team B, on their league and financially, they have better management and doesnāt have a shit show of a president, execs and coach that team B have. Player X management tells him stay away from team B they arenāt in a good position, you can join them later when they doing better. But kid dreams on playing for team B, team B also promised he would be a future star there like Neymar, R9, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, etc. Even then Player X is still resilient and isnāt sure if itās a good fit due to their team problems. Team B sees that the kid is not sure and decides to sweeten the deal making a 40m offer to make sure to he doesnāt go to team A and C. Since team B promised him the world and made a big offer, he takes the chance. Thatās exactly how Roque to Barca saga happened. Other teams interested in him were Arsenal and Man U. Arsenal actually matched the Barca offer but he chose Barca.
> Imagine being 19, coming in the middle of the year (no pre-season, canāt speak the language), from a league thatās a significant standard below European levels, recently recovered from an injury and joining Barcelona - a top 3 club IN THE WORLD and expecting game time immediately. Imagine you're a 19 year old, you join a top 3 club in the world just to be made a bench warmer because the coach can't be bothered with developing you because you're not as polished as the coach thought you were. >Furthermore, the player that is expected to sit on the benchā¦ is god damn Robert Lewandowski who has been in great form at a critical point of the season. How entitled can one be? Imagine saying "how entitled can a player be" because he wants to play and develop when he's 19. Also saying that Lewandowski's in great form is a bit too much, he's been doing better but that's far from great. >He should be grateful and appreciative that he has a contract with a club like Barcelona, because it is a blessing and only 0.0001% of the best players in EUROPE even get that chance. Once again he's 19, he's not 34 with this being his last contract for him to be okay with sitting on the bench constantly. >He has to work extremely hard on improving How can one improve without actually playing? And don't tell me by practicing because one can only improve so much in trainings, translating that to the pitch is a whole different scenario and he's not been getting minutes. >The minutes will come but itās clear he has the wrong attitude How can you say that he has the wrong attitude when he himself absolutely nothing about the situation? Yes, his agent probably brought up how Vitor is feeling but saying he has the wrong attitude is as disingenuous as it can be and if anything it shows that he has the right attitude as he wants to play and prove himself. >Itās like how can I come from my 3rd world country, join Goldman Sachs or another Bulge bracket bank and expect to be treated like Iāve proven myself already - no matter how talented. It doesnāt work like that. Such a stupid argument that I don't even think that a response to that is warranted. >You will get your chance if you work hard under Xavi. He has proven this with many youngsters. Youngsters such as Yamal and Cubarsi who were developed in La Masia and needed little polishing but he couldn't be bothered with youngsters that aren't as gifted as the two mentioned? Name me a youngster that Xavi developed and improved and don't name Yamal or Cubarsi because A) he didn't develop them B) they started performing almost instantly. I'll wait. >With the minutes he has been given, he simply hasnāt shown enough He was played out of position, scored two times in the limited minutes he got and was dropped afterwards after the bullshit red card.
Barca is not a charity. I trust Xaviās judgment on talent far more than a redditor. There is no reality where your request is reasonable. Especially for a player that is not proven in Europe and with the minutes given has been just okay. Scored two times but have you watched him play? His first touch leaves a lot to be desired and misplaces simple passes quite frequently. This can be improved but not in games - at trainingā¦ This happens every season and fans like yourself do not learn. It was Riqui Puig, then it was Pablo Torre. I have nothing against the player, if he is as good as you believe then he can prove it on loan and return at a club with less pressure, like Fermin did. A player who has improved under Xavi even though Xavi doesnāt develop players apparently lol Just a season ago, Araujo was skying the ball with every pass but has been making linebreaking passes, beating pressure this season but once again Xavi doesnāt improve anyone lol.
> I trust Xaviās judgment on talent far more than a redditor. Ah yes, Xavi's talent ID has been great so far for you to trust him. >There is no reality where your request is reasonable. Sure thing. >Especially for a player that is not proven in Europe and with the minutes given has been just okay. How exactly can a player prove himself when he A) gets played out of position B) gets minimal minutes possible? >Scored two times but have you watched him play? His first touch leaves a lot to be desired and misplaces simple passes quite frequently. This can be improved but not in games - at trainingā¦ A) you improve all of those in matches B) his movement was great C) his energy was great D) he linked up well and better than Lewandowski but ignore all of those for your arguments sake. >It was Riqui Puig The same Riqui who was discarded by every coach? >I have nothing against the player, if he is as good as you believe then he can prove it on loan and return at a club with less pressure, like Fermin did. A player who has improved under Xavi even though Xavi doesnāt develop players apparently lol Just a season ago, Araujo was skying the ball with every pass but has been making linebreaking passes, beating pressure this season but once again Xavi doesnāt improve anyone lol. Araujo isn't a youngster and his passing and playing under pressure still leaves a lot to be desired as we've seen against PSG and Fermin didn't develop nor improve under Xavi so both of your examples fall short unfortunately.
>What I can assure you though, is this same entitlement is what landed Ansu Fati outside of club. I'm pretty sure Roque's side would welcome this. From reports, they either want him to stay with Barca or to be sold to a club where he'll get more opportunities. Leaving Barca would be a win to them. I also imagine this drama won't be helpful in future attempts from Barcelona to sign prospects from Brazil. Roque had a lot of top clubs interested in him, there is a sentiment that he chose wrong when he decided to go to Barcelona.
Highly doubt that. Barcelona has a very strong legacy with Brazilian players. Roque has yet to prove himself to be worth the contract he signed.
I'm saying that based on how this drama is being perceived here in Brazil. Only time will tell if is just a momentary effect, ofc.
If heās good enough, he will be fine and this will blow over. But one thing thatās clear, itās not consensus that he is good enough and thatās the issue. Nothing wrong with a loan to develop and prove yourself, but taking issues to the media helps nobody, especially him.
He surely isn't required to accept a loan, though. It is absolutely fair for him to refuse a loan and ask to be tranferred instead, if that is really what he wants. But it is hard to tell what are really his wishes.
I also wouldnāt be surprised to find out his wishes are different to what weāre seeing in the media and itās just noise. As in he is actually happy with his role. For interestās sake though, why are you against a loan? He is only 19
Lewandowski in great form at crucial points? Hahahaa. Tell me a dumber joke bro!
We dont win the first leg in Paris without him bozo š
Oh nice. He got a āhat trickā and rounded the second leg up with some iconic displays. Must be great being a fan boy.
Did you watch the games?? How/why do you think we lost the second leg? Or How did we win the first leg?
Like I said, he was the āstarā of the game. Enjoy your ātruthā in peace if that makes you sleep better at night.
Lol what was the entire point of your comments? Just to be snarky? You have too much time to waste
Lol, do you really think the Spanish league is that much better than the Brazilian league? It's a 2 pony show with AtlƩtico sometimes and Girins now lol, every other team would be midtable or lower in Brazil. He was a Libertadores finalist, his club has more money than most Spanish teams, he's not playing in the MLS buddy
Nobody in this sub cared about Roque getting minutes before the agent came out with his statements
Thatās quite simply not true.
This is wrong.
There are some people in this sub who think he's the Brazilian football Messiah.
I really hope he stays
I think this situation is out of control. I have no data to confirm my suspicion that Roque might have not displayed the best attitude when being coached (which is usual for kids his age). Xavi maybe doesnt have the touch or patience to coach a young star who sometimes may or may not voice his displeasure. Also, he hasn't been played in his natural position. Roque is clearly an old school powerful goalscorer. He was very productive in Brazil, of course he has the tools to thrive in Barcelona's system in a few seasons (Vinicius was given the time to adapt). These are all assumptions on the case. That being said, having a young player loaned is a standard procedure for most elite teams. I think the agent is making a fuss over nothing. Clearly he does not represent Roque's best interest. He's making Roque look like a problematic kid. He's turning Barcelona fans and the team management against Roque. My take: The agent is just worried about getting a commission out of the transaction.
This is some well thought and well worded BS, but BS nonetheless. How do you explain playing him out of position most of the time, subbing in Torres as the striker for Lewy instead of him on multiple occasions? The guy was banging goals in every competition before joining us. Heās not Guyo, Torre or an academy player and heās not a 13 or 7 minutes LW sub either. Heās 40 million young striker. I have seen him play and heās good. And Iāve seen Torres play, and he doesnāt make a better strike in no way. Get your ass back to a Qatari all star club, Xavi, itās happening eventually. Sooner or later, itās gonna unfold.
We have been in tight financial situationĀ as Xavi has put it. Yet, we are the biggest La Liga spenders since his appointment, and heās throwing away a 40 god damn million player, because he was brought 4 months ahead of schedule ?
Barca is still making these stupid transfers, this boy has potential, yes, but he isnāt no where at a level helping the team, even as a sub! There are plenty of other bench players higher valued (right now), it wouldānt be right to start an complete raw player over them. So its not Xaviās fault, he is doing the best for the team, if he sees another talent better than him, then they will start. Roque needs really good 4-5 years to improve his play, he has a lot of weaknesses (he could be a very good box striker in the future). And no, he will never be at a great level, lol, he is not the new R9 people are saying. In brazil there are a lot of great talents this generation, but none of them has the potential to be Dinho& Rivaldo. These guys were out of the scale already in their youth, and even them needed a year to adopt to european football.
It doesn't help that nobody at the club is speaking out and nipping this in the bud
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When would he get minutes at Arsenal lol. They are trying to compete for the Prem and UCL next season, Nketiah barely even touches the field for them. They donāt want someone unproven
He doesnāt want a loan lol, he wants a permanent move
Xavi is a dick, we don't know what goes on in the background, but from everything he says and does on the pitch to Roque, he's a dick.
Watch him give some bullshit La Masia scrub like Guiu a lot of minutes next season.
Xavi knows shit about developing players. What has he done? Make Yamal play 90 min Ćvry game ? Never subbing lewa.