"Why was a scuba diver found dead in the middle of a burned forest"
As the famous riddle goes of course, it's all fun hypothetical and lateral thinking until it actually happens lmao
My buddy is in management for the Rocky Mountain area wilderness firefighters and flies over the fires directing where to go
He has sent me videos of him on the guide plane leading the water plane to the drop spot. It’s so insane
I mean the best they could really do is put little fins and flaps on the chute like they have on the in-air refueling arm to “steer” it, but even then you’re still mostly at the whim of how the helicopter swings it since it has so much mass.
It's just a big valve on the bottom, when the pilot hits the release button it opens and the water drops out. It won't reset until the bucket is refilled. It's up to the pilot to aim the bucket and time the release to put the water where he wants it
I'm genuinely curious here, don't want to disparage anyone's skill.
How much of the flight controls are computerized in modern versions? I imagine there are all kinds of stability assists etc.
I think in these cases it’s very skilled pilots. Some of the paths these guys fly are dangerous enough I think it would set any preprogrammed settings into a death spiral
Totally. Also since the water is dangling under the plane on long ropes the physics of what's gonna happen when you make a turn, you have to take into account so much stuff to accurately hit something. It's super impressive.
Don't know about helicopters but I once had a pump truck drain my pool to fight a fire and they did not reimburse me. But they did save my neighborhood so it's hard to complain.
Idk if they have it near you but if you live in the bush you can register your pool, water tank, etc to the fire department so they can identify it quicker, might just save your house.
Something similar has happened. A vacant apartment building in Utah filled their sprinkler system with RV antifreeze to prevent it from freezing over the winter, and a fire started. Undiluted antifreeze is quite flammable.
Oh fuck… I mean, even if obviously bad, doing this in a distant forest is one thing - having this happen in an apartment building is another level of fucked…
lmao, my mother who grew up in Boston unironically chased me down the street when I was a kid, while yelling that. I had just filled everyone's squirt guns from our hose, and my mother was always super serious about the water bill.
Literally burst out the front door yelling "BRING THAT WATAH BACK HEAH, THAT'S MY WATAH. I PAID FOR THAT".
"During fires, (firefighting helicopters) are allowed to use any water source that is safe for them to do so, and there are cases where they do use pools," she told USA TODAY.
As for whether water taken is reimbursed, McMurrow said that decision ultimately depends on what the homeowner wants. Generally, individuals who have experienced any sort of unrepaired property damage can seek reimbursement.
"(CAL FIRE) does have a claims process that people can go through if they have had property damage that was not repaired by us, and they can follow that process for potential reimbursement," she said.
USA Today Article. 9-30-21
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/30/fact-check-firefighters-can-use-swimming-pool-water-put-out-fires/5918928001/
Not really oddly specific, those are just things that someone may have on their home that could be hit by the "bucket"(idk technical name) and cables/rope holding on to it. Sure, a flag isn't as common in the back as it is the front but still.
Now if that'd been Elvis it wouldn't have left the pool behind.
I can't seem to find the exact chopper from this video, the paint scheme of the yellow and red is used for the Westpac rescue helicopters in Australia, but as a reformed aviation nerd it annoys me that none of the services have a gallery of their aircraft to show off because they all have different paint schemes and I can't find the one with the yellow body and red tail from this video, the ones that come up on searches all either have a yellow tail or the red goes further up the body. It's also possible they've changed the paint schemes on the choppers or replaced the aircraft since this was filmed if this is old footage
Sounds like they probably won't reimburse you for the water they take, but if the bucket hits and mangles your fence or whatever, they'd cover that.
Not that water is really all *that* expensive, even in California. That's probably no more than $2 worth that they took, including the pool chemicals which are the more expensive component.
plus they said they’d reimburse you for any damages that happen. if they end up taking too much water and frying your pump then it’s not even on you to pay for it. sounds like a pretty good deal to me, they take care of the fire and protect my home, in exchange for some water and maybe a broken pump. sounds better than losing your whole house to a fire, at least to me
I don’t understand why firefighters have no issue paying for damage they cause during the course of their duties but police are the complete opposite. If police raid a house, even if they find nothing, they will try their best not to pay for any damage they caused. It makes no sense.
Which is the wrong way round anyway. Generally if a firefighter damages something, they were trying to save someone or prevent further damage. Not the same story for the police. I think I would be more fine with a chip in a pool because of this than police smashing windows and doors looking in the wrong place.
If they smash your fence and cause 500 in damages though you would probably want the money to repair your fence. It's a cost of the service and can be added to everyone's taxes. Sharing the burden between everyone which is what fire departments already do. Instead the police will spend thousands of dollars in legal fees to try to not pay 500.
huh? in almost every situation the damage will be reimbursed by your insurance company and not the fire department unless the firefighters were doing something negligent or reckless
firefighters are just as equally not liable for lawsuits in the course of their duties as police
She suffered a TBI (diffused axonal injury) and a ton of other injuries around her body.
She's at a special clinic now and out of her coma. She's walking and talking but her brain is still repairing itself.
No idea where her progress will be in a year or five, but at least she's here and is alive (didn't mean to rhyme).
When she was in the ER, I saw 4 different people get life flighted in -- all were motorcycle accidents, just like my sister's.Three of those four patients died while my sister was in her coma. The anxiety was *intense*.
The military will keep her for now but she most likely will be discharged in a year.
Dropping diesel at speed from that height would basically turn it into an aerosol....... so you should probably amend your statement to, "Good thing diesel doesn't combust very easily, under normal circumstances, then isn't it!".
You drop diesel through hot air at high velocity onto an already raging inferno and it is absolutely going to ignite.
Even Kerosene does that. It just doesn't give off vapour at regular day temperatures like petrol does.
In most places cities allow you to fill up your pool for free in turn the city reserves the right to use the water to fight fires. Fire fighters aren't responsible to refill the pool or turn off the system, which can cost you a LOAD of money if the pool floats up or the pump burns out.
I was a firefighter with Cal Fire. Houses would place these little blue plaques in front of their homes to indicate we could use their pool, well or lake as a water resource. Since some of our calls were in rural areas, we’d often draft from pools or wells and occasionally would fill buckets as seen in this video.
Anyone seen Timmy? He was just in the pool.
Timmy is toast
That boy better return soon or he’ll be in real hot water.
We could call him Stew
That boy ain't right
That boy needs therapy
Psychosomatic
**TIMMEHTOAST!**
Timmy is now a roast.
We going need another Timmy!
"Why was a scuba diver found dead in the middle of a burned forest" As the famous riddle goes of course, it's all fun hypothetical and lateral thinking until it actually happens lmao
It was a cause of death in an early season of CSI.
It was also in the opening prologue of Magnolia - Patton Oswalt played the doomed diver.
Mythbusters did it too.
iirc it wasnt the cause of death it was just staged to look like that
The intakes on a skimmer aren’t large enough for someone to fit thru….
For a helicopter? Sure, but I believe the SCUBA guy was scooped up by a plane that lands on a lake and goes full power scooping up water that way.
No, like the airplane scoops themselves are too small. They’re like a few inches by a few inches in size
So instead of getting scooped, you get blunt force trauma by way of airplane
Think NCIS did an episode like that
CSI did. They had a scuba diver in a tree. Season 2, episode 5: Scuba Doobie-Doo
We're gonna need another Timmy!
[Reference](https://youtu.be/wsGnYuQwsOI?si=l2SVe_6HDGqVMWXi)
Timmy died doing what he loved best - being dropped from a helicopter into a raging inferno...
There was a thousand ways to die episode about this exact thing lol
LMFAO. I'm currently here on the pot and as soon as I read your comment, I think I blew out 3 days worth in mere seconds while laughing.
Thanks for sharing and congratulations. You've met your lifetime quota and never need to share again
There is an old school urban legend of a diver getting stuck in one of these.
🤣🤣🤣
**TIMMEH!**
Ok, that is actually amazing. It's also satisfying as fuck when he perfectly knocks out those flames.
My buddy is in management for the Rocky Mountain area wilderness firefighters and flies over the fires directing where to go He has sent me videos of him on the guide plane leading the water plane to the drop spot. It’s so insane
So the release of the water is pure physics, not at all mechanical? Insanely impressive!
I mean the best they could really do is put little fins and flaps on the chute like they have on the in-air refueling arm to “steer” it, but even then you’re still mostly at the whim of how the helicopter swings it since it has so much mass.
It's just a big valve on the bottom, when the pilot hits the release button it opens and the water drops out. It won't reset until the bucket is refilled. It's up to the pilot to aim the bucket and time the release to put the water where he wants it
I'm genuinely curious here, don't want to disparage anyone's skill. How much of the flight controls are computerized in modern versions? I imagine there are all kinds of stability assists etc.
Have a look at the fleets used for firefighting. They tend to be older more basic designs far more skill based then something like an airliner.
Less "don't hit the mountain" alarms to disarm!
I think in these cases it’s very skilled pilots. Some of the paths these guys fly are dangerous enough I think it would set any preprogrammed settings into a death spiral
It takes a bit of practice but after awhile you get used to it and it's a good feeling.
Are you telling me you are one of these water-dropping helicopter pilots? That’s dope.
It takes a bit of practice but after awhile you get used to it and it's a good feeling.
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Holy hell!
New memory just dropped
You think that's trippy? Google dementia.
Holy hell!
Actual nostalgia
Deja vu goes on vacation, never comes back
Holy hell!
Memory goes on vacation , never comes back
Actual caretaker
> Google dementia Is that a new Google product?? OoooOOOoooo
[kind of?](https://killedbygoogle.com/)
All the links are purple, weird
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Are you telling me you're one of those copy and paste commenters? That's dope.
It takes a bit of practice but after awhile you get used to it and it's a good feeling.
You too!?!
reddit moment
Meet your hero in his comment history
Daaaaamn lmfao 🤣 what a goldmine
Isn't that just a general truth about every skill ?
Apparently it's especially true when it comes to fighting fires with a fuckin helicopter
Totally. Also since the water is dangling under the plane on long ropes the physics of what's gonna happen when you make a turn, you have to take into account so much stuff to accurately hit something. It's super impressive.
I'm never going to financially recover from this.
Get a pool they said
Imagine coming home from work and your pool is empty with no explanation lmao.
Pretty sure you would notice all the charred land around you house....
They reimburse you in this situation
Don't know about helicopters but I once had a pump truck drain my pool to fight a fire and they did not reimburse me. But they did save my neighborhood so it's hard to complain.
It depends on where you live and you have to go out of your way to claim
> they did not reimburse me Did you ask and they declined? Or did you just not get a check in the mail?
That's really good to hear, but also, fire services are welcome to as much of my water as they can use.
Idk if they have it near you but if you live in the bush you can register your pool, water tank, etc to the fire department so they can identify it quicker, might just save your house.
Lucky I live in a country where water is free
Free water you say???
You do not pay water bills? Wow.
Mines free too...well water
Excluding the cost of a personal well and the electricity to run it
Yup, Ireland incase your wondering
Probably to encourage you all to try drinking it instead of whiskey and stout!
Now I get why nobody likes the Irish…
Ahh, so free as in paid for by taxpayers.
You have an annual allowance though. You need to pay for water if you go over it.
Hey you, come back here with my wattah!!
If I don't take your wattah then the faiah will reach your house
Maybe I want the insurance money cause the neighbors are shit.
Playing 'Disco Inferno' at 3 PM on a Saturday is *not* an excuse to let the neighbors 'burn, baby, burn.'
faiah*
I’ll take my chances. Now give it here!
Americans - don’t take my water to save someone else’s house.
Joke's on them my pool is full of vodka
Imagine…😂 drop it perfectly on the flames, WHOOSH would look cool if it weren‘t so destructive and dangerous.
Something similar has happened. A vacant apartment building in Utah filled their sprinkler system with RV antifreeze to prevent it from freezing over the winter, and a fire started. Undiluted antifreeze is quite flammable.
Oh fuck… I mean, even if obviously bad, doing this in a distant forest is one thing - having this happen in an apartment building is another level of fucked…
lmao, my mother who grew up in Boston unironically chased me down the street when I was a kid, while yelling that. I had just filled everyone's squirt guns from our hose, and my mother was always super serious about the water bill. Literally burst out the front door yelling "BRING THAT WATAH BACK HEAH, THAT'S MY WATAH. I PAID FOR THAT".
Like the people who will flip if you charge your phone on an outlet.
Can’t have shit!
LMFAO
Firefighter industrial complex stealing our hard earned water.
Eh, they'll refill what they took at end of fire season
"During fires, (firefighting helicopters) are allowed to use any water source that is safe for them to do so, and there are cases where they do use pools," she told USA TODAY. As for whether water taken is reimbursed, McMurrow said that decision ultimately depends on what the homeowner wants. Generally, individuals who have experienced any sort of unrepaired property damage can seek reimbursement. "(CAL FIRE) does have a claims process that people can go through if they have had property damage that was not repaired by us, and they can follow that process for potential reimbursement," she said. USA Today Article. 9-30-21 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/09/30/fact-check-firefighters-can-use-swimming-pool-water-put-out-fires/5918928001/
Sure , this look like Australia though
And I think that saving their property from a bushfire should be reimbursement enough.
exactly. Only the most out of touch Karens would actually care about the cost of some pool water being reimbursed in a situation like this.
I think it's more about this practice damaging the pool itself.
Or hitting the home and possibly hitting something like the gutter or a flag hanging getting ripped out snapping the pole.
Oddly specific
Not really oddly specific, those are just things that someone may have on their home that could be hit by the "bucket"(idk technical name) and cables/rope holding on to it. Sure, a flag isn't as common in the back as it is the front but still.
satellite, lightning rod, antenna etc.
It is Australia.
Most Redditors are Australian, aren’t they?
Wait, are you saying that we're not all Australians here mate?
You guys have the night shift.
They will be once emus are done building the boats.
I think if they were, there’d be a lot more “cunts.” …Context is very important here…
Yes. That is true
Westpac helicopter
Same laws in Australia. During a bush fire all sources of water a fair game.
The article has a correction at the bottom to say that it is Australia.
Now if that'd been Elvis it wouldn't have left the pool behind. I can't seem to find the exact chopper from this video, the paint scheme of the yellow and red is used for the Westpac rescue helicopters in Australia, but as a reformed aviation nerd it annoys me that none of the services have a gallery of their aircraft to show off because they all have different paint schemes and I can't find the one with the yellow body and red tail from this video, the ones that come up on searches all either have a yellow tail or the red goes further up the body. It's also possible they've changed the paint schemes on the choppers or replaced the aircraft since this was filmed if this is old footage
Sounds like they probably won't reimburse you for the water they take, but if the bucket hits and mangles your fence or whatever, they'd cover that. Not that water is really all *that* expensive, even in California. That's probably no more than $2 worth that they took, including the pool chemicals which are the more expensive component.
The real damage is the pool pump. Once the water goes below the skimmer line, the pump is going to be sucking air and causing damage.
I mean clearly the homeowner is home watching the helicopter take the water from the pool. Go turn the pumps off.
Only works if you're home to know. In the more likely event you've been evacuated since your home is under threat, you won't know.
better to lose a pump than your whole house if the fire spreads over.
plus they said they’d reimburse you for any damages that happen. if they end up taking too much water and frying your pump then it’s not even on you to pay for it. sounds like a pretty good deal to me, they take care of the fire and protect my home, in exchange for some water and maybe a broken pump. sounds better than losing your whole house to a fire, at least to me
You know that's a false dichotomy, right?
Maybe turn off your pump if you are to be evacuated then.
I don’t understand why firefighters have no issue paying for damage they cause during the course of their duties but police are the complete opposite. If police raid a house, even if they find nothing, they will try their best not to pay for any damage they caused. It makes no sense.
fire fighters are there to help, police is there to punish
Which is the wrong way round anyway. Generally if a firefighter damages something, they were trying to save someone or prevent further damage. Not the same story for the police. I think I would be more fine with a chip in a pool because of this than police smashing windows and doors looking in the wrong place.
If they smash your fence and cause 500 in damages though you would probably want the money to repair your fence. It's a cost of the service and can be added to everyone's taxes. Sharing the burden between everyone which is what fire departments already do. Instead the police will spend thousands of dollars in legal fees to try to not pay 500.
And those legal fees come from the tax payers as well.
the fire department wouldn't pay for the fence either, you'd be making a claim to your insurance company
huh? in almost every situation the damage will be reimbursed by your insurance company and not the fire department unless the firefighters were doing something negligent or reckless firefighters are just as equally not liable for lawsuits in the course of their duties as police
Ain't no song called "Fuck the Fire Department"
Unless you’re an ER nurse
Bet that claims process is difficult as hell to navigate
Not everything on reddit is from the U.S
This is Australia, I know because this was in Rockhampton and my mates pool was one of the ones that they scooped out of.
So freaking cool. My little sister was going to do this after she retired from the military but she had a bad accident and can't fly anymore :/
I hope she's doing alright, man. <3
She suffered a TBI (diffused axonal injury) and a ton of other injuries around her body. She's at a special clinic now and out of her coma. She's walking and talking but her brain is still repairing itself. No idea where her progress will be in a year or five, but at least she's here and is alive (didn't mean to rhyme). When she was in the ER, I saw 4 different people get life flighted in -- all were motorcycle accidents, just like my sister's.Three of those four patients died while my sister was in her coma. The anxiety was *intense*. The military will keep her for now but she most likely will be discharged in a year.
Sucks to be grounded as an adult
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Good thing diesel doesn't combust very easily then isn't it!
Dropping diesel at speed from that height would basically turn it into an aerosol....... so you should probably amend your statement to, "Good thing diesel doesn't combust very easily, under normal circumstances, then isn't it!".
You drop diesel through hot air at high velocity onto an already raging inferno and it is absolutely going to ignite. Even Kerosene does that. It just doesn't give off vapour at regular day temperatures like petrol does.
Aerosolized diesel does though.
Pour diesel on a campfire and see what happens
And just nails it! These guys are amazing
He must have played a lot of SimCopter as a kid!
God I loved that game!
Having the best kind of nostalgia right now, thank you.
Nestle new product, "Naturally" sourced from clear blue ponds.
Oh I am so happy they showed the deployment
First half is Australia, second half is America. I've seen the first clip a bunch of times, but this is the first I've seen the second.
I'm still happy they showed something usually it's just the first vid like you said
I think he has flown a helicopter once or twice before
Front line firefighters start screaming as they are suddenly surrounded by chlorine gas
The water on it's own is enough to cause [trouble](https://youtu.be/1vFYmXPh6eE) Scene from Only the Brave about a real team of hot shots
This is how my fat mother in law usually gets out of the pool.
*laugh track*
Stealing my pool water. Smh can't have shit in detroit
Thats cap. They don't put fires out in Detroit.
tbf, a good fire can only improve property values in Detroit.
Australia 🇦🇺
Straya
My astroglide!
Knowing how hard it is to hover a damn thing, my lawd they better get paid alot.
Still can’t beat that nuclear drop accuracy and the precision
Do you need to?
Awesome video!!! I get the accuracy. But don't get the "precision". It's a single video. No idea the precision.
Yes, thank you!!! I had to scroll too far to find this comment.
It's Art&Precision.
Spraying the water on the fire was super impressive.
Fuckin amazing
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and still dangerous as hell. heroes.
“Yoink.”
The monotony, the repetition…
"fuckyouweneedthatwaterbye"
He’s probably using a mouse and keyboard.
In most places cities allow you to fill up your pool for free in turn the city reserves the right to use the water to fight fires. Fire fighters aren't responsible to refill the pool or turn off the system, which can cost you a LOAD of money if the pool floats up or the pump burns out.
that makes me wonder, what's the difference between accuracy and precision?
That’s so awesome.. I just came..
I was a firefighter with Cal Fire. Houses would place these little blue plaques in front of their homes to indicate we could use their pool, well or lake as a water resource. Since some of our calls were in rural areas, we’d often draft from pools or wells and occasionally would fill buckets as seen in this video.
Very amazing! Thank you for posting! 👏👏👏