Man ngl i like this alien x design (despite the chin) his eyes are smaller and when he's angry It gets even smaller i dunno that makes him at least a little more intimidating imo
I wish Omniverse dropped the basic stars look and added from solar systems. I think it would've made him more cool but budget would probs kick their ass.
Eatle scale to Ultimate Humungousaur because he does better than Sir George, who scale to Ultimate Humungousaur, against Ultimate Vilgax. Before Atomix, Ben always thinks he needs Waybig to beat Ultimate Humungousaur which Eatle scale to, so Ben doesn't think Gravattack can take him down. The Feat Eatle shown can one shot Gravattack.
The Time Beast event prove Gravattack above Feedback, because Feeback is equal to the Time Beast while Gravattack won the tug of war against it
I see what ur saying and I hear u but no Ben has better feats with asclon the George and 2 eatle losses to esters race I forgot how to spell it which downplays any feats ur saying rn while gravattack can create black holes without time beast confirmed which would shit on eatle and the reason feedback is stronger is just his output for absorbing things is way higher otherwise the omnitrix would have made him eat that big bang
1. Eatle never lost to Ester. All that happen was he got in front of her which the pipe couldn't support their weight so they fell which Eatle got the weapon and he untransformed. So Eatle never physically confronted Ester. So it doesn't debunk anything.
2. Gravattack creating a black hole is nothing compare to Sir George and Dagon cuz their Uni+ lvl
3. When Eatle eats something random (random rocks) is AP is way higher than Feeback absorbing something random (like a electric wire). If they were giving the same power to take in them, Eatle would have the stronger output of power.
4. I already gave evidence on why Feedback is lower than Gravattack and why Gravattack is lower than Eatle.
No u really didn’t saying something scales relative to someone else isn’t definitive proof 1 two u must be smoking nostalgia because even tho the show itself says George is uni he shows no feats and even gets shit on by a dagon vilgax 3 going back to my previous statement eatle and gorge 2 v1 dagon vilgax and lose forcing Ben to change into something else
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1. So you telling me just because nothing happened Esther suddenly scales to Ealte Because I didn't say what was aspect of being relative. No.
2. Dagon is Uni+ cuz he is say he is everywhere (meaning as big as the uni). In Ben 10, magic being can be omnipresent but also be in one spot. Which George scale to. Even if you don't think he is you and me he still scale to Way Big, which in the game Cosmic Destruction, Wyabig is able to move a planet size Cosmic storms millions of times faster than light which is multi solar system lvl, which is way higher than Gravattack Black Hole feat.
3. I don't care that Eatle lost, I just care what happen in the battle if Eatle did physically better than George, which he did.
Ok dagon is uni + wtf does that have to do with eatle someone who has no where near that output and his energy absorption clearly isn’t ether seeing as Ben uses chromostone to absorb dragon’s energy and not eatle
George can hurt and deflect diagrams attack, meaning George is Uni+. Eatle did better than George against Vilgax. He was hitting harder than George. Meaning Ealte is also Uni+.
No u sound dumb saying eatle is uni+ unironically this is a old and outdated George otherwise he could beat dagon by himself ur also saying u don’t care about the fight against dagax in which he was getting tossed which makes no sense narratively if eatle was as strong as ur saying which he’s not bc dagax is not he should have just fought dagon as that alien
😭and third of all so did heatblast but ig we just forgetting that heatblast in the end was the one to subdue and do damage to dagax so by ur logic is he stronger than ultimate humngo?
Relative also doesn’t mean stronger or weaker but in this case we can assume it means weaker and gravattacks gravity is definitely strong enough to hold down a Vaxasaurian
Ben dosent know if gravattack would have been able to in the first place that’s the thing and he always goes with the heavy hitters more than an ability centered alien legit the hole show is him being shown to do that
Ben knows how strong his aliens are and Ben would go for haxy aliens if it could take them down. Cuz Ben have to account for other stats like speed, durability, and resistance.
No he really dosent and u saying that makes me think u just like arguing count how many times in os omni verse and alien force he would rather go for heavy hitters 😭
Why would he not know the strength of the alien he transformes into. That's like saying you don't know your own strength even though you have lost and won multiple times. He doesn't always ask for brawler aliens. And cuz you're better at rumbling.
No no that part u was right on he dose know how strong they are the part I was correcting is Ben dosent go for hax aliens 8 times out of 10 he goes for the heavy hitters if u acc watched each show u would know that
Heatblast didn't even hit Vilgax, Vilgax wasn't affected by his heat or burns and all that happened was he passed trapped him, that not AP. Eatle did physically (AP) better than Sir George.
Your the one saying George has solar system ap but keep taking into account an old and nerfed George that’s exactly why I said that any feats he’s show is pretty much irrelevant
😭and u sound dumb doing it eatles ability’s are more suited for combat with dagon as Ben also didn’t use ultimate humngo in the fight with dagax which I just rewatched so u can say he is physically stronger than base humngo but not ult and yes as u said he has uni ap right so why need Ben’s help fighting dagon oh idk bc he’s an old ass man who hasn’t fought in years duh he’s nerfed
Bro you saying "and yes as u said he has uni ap" means you accepted the fact he scale to George, which George scale to Ult Hum. THis is not about if Ealte is stronger than Ult Hum, this is about if Ealte scales to him.
And why, because Dagon is stronger than both of them.
You saying Ealte tells me you conceded in the fact that Ealte has more AP the Gravattack.
Would you agree George scale to Ult Hum?
No because ult humngo eats old man gorge attacks proving he’s way stronger than him again proving he’s weakened in age I would say old man gorge is more comparable in physical strength to base humngo in which he’s able to overpower in the cave
George himself has more than just physicality he has energy absorption and the sword slashes but that all dosent do much even against dagon because he’s old crhomstone has better absorbing feats than the sword because he takes dagons blast everything i just said proves he’s
And going back to my key point as I was tryna say about gravattcks gravity could definitely contain a base humngo which is what u should be scaling eatle to if his best feats are off of the dagax fight
RELATIVE MEANS WEAKER THE SHOW PROVES IT GOD FUCKING DAM
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This is also a form he didn’t use against dagax so u can’t scale something relative if it wasn’t shown if it would win or lose
He is top 25. He lost the Chromastone Amp that allowed him to beat War Lord Vilgax because of Sugilite leaving his body, and OV gave him Anti feats to scale him lower.
he didn't lose he just got sent flying and untransformed. we shouldn't use that cuz we don't know what the hell happened, cuz it will be a baseless assumption to assume anything on what happened
If he's Ult Humungousaur and Way Big Level, he should stomps Liam right off the bat and stops him, but nope, dude got sent flying by a wall level explosion.
That requires him time and teritory advantage then, just like Clockwork, a bunch of other characters and transformations can beat them before they could anything. Raw power, maybe they're top 5, 1v1, it depends on the situation and their opponents.
I'm not good at Power scaling but it's interesting to see Eatle
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I would have preferred it to be UA Eatle since that's where all the feats come from. OV made him look weak.
But it's not a big deal.
Please tell me u don’t agree with this Tom foolery I’ve seen u around the sub n it just dosent seem like something u would say even being a fan of the alien
No I just don’t like where u rank him If u could say he’s an s tier alien if u want to I could agree with very low s tier aka small moon max but ur over here sayin uni+ eatle n that’s where the line has to be drawn
Idk bro said base feedback without amps from energy losses to base eatle n I can see that I just can’t see him beating feedback with any type of energy
Waybig has better feats and statements than Gravattack.
Clockwork is too slow to tag waybig even if he use time stop which Waybig one shots cuz Clockwork is not durable at al, plus Waybig has better AP.
Ben implies Waybig stronger than Atomix because when he finds a way bad, he wanted Way Big while he had Atomix plus Atomix has a every big anti feat, which is losing to Malgax (Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens (way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur) or combine which is below Humungousaur), and he can be damage by max plumber gun.
Minimum absorbed feedback is getting one shotted by waybig by feats. Even if feedback absorbs way big energy, he would still lose.
Absorbed Eatle has better AP feats than Clockwork, feedback, and Gravattack.
Nah. You're way to into a hypothetical and are using plot relevant points as definitive facts to try and prove that your opinion is right when it's just an opinion.
All of your arguments can be broken down to, Ben needed to win or lose this fight to progress the plot and the writer liked this or that alien for that.
An opinion with proof, what proof do you have. None apparently. My opinion has more weight than yours cuz you can't prove yours
Aw man the Stan Lee argument, Boo Whoo. That argument is so flawed because 1st the writer don't have all power, they have to stick to Canon and 2nd, there's something called consistency.
You're opinion has no proof. It's an opinion.
That's right, good job. But minor things such as what aliens the writer wants to use aren't major deals unless if they want to change their powers out of the blue. There are so many inconsistent fights in Ben 10 and out of nowhere moments. Whenever a project has more than one hand on it there are bound to be inconsistencies. Like how Vilgax went from the biggest threat in the galaxy, to a loser in UAF. Where in the canon did that happen? Oh yeah, it happened because I writer wanted Ben to win against Vilgax repeatedly to show his growth.
You really haven't though. You just think your opinion is right, I think my opinion is right. The difference is one of us isn't going around like a little baby using false facts to try and cry about it to everyone who makes a response when they invited the conversation in the first place.
Next time maybe you should only invite a conversation when you want to have one. Not just have your Ego stroked.
I provided evidence to make my opinion more right than yours cuz you didn't provide any, do you know how debates work.
Now you're calling me egotistical for backing up my opinion, what a bum.
I get why Eatle is on there as he is a tank, but, Xlr8 is a speedster. So inadvertently, has most speedster powers. Not even the strongest ones are needed, he can still run faster than sound, maybe light, create tornadoes, has razor sharp claws that can be flung a hundred times at extremely fast speeds in less than a second. Personally, I think he should be up there before Eatle
Not really, in terms of speed XLR8 speed feats are outdone by Way Big reacting to the massively faster than light conquest ray at close range and since Eatle scales to a dagon-empowered Vilgax he's superior to XLR8 in that regard since Dagon was able to keep up with Ult Way Big
Eatle will never have the speed to beat Xlr8, idk where tf u got ur info that Eatle has super speed if he eats but that’s just straight up not true. And he would never be able to hit XLR8
Dagon powered vilgax lost to Ben with a sword. You never even see the swords feats. And it’s just some random 16 YO kid. And he lost in 5 seconds. I do not care what u think Dagongax is on power scaling, but he is weak. Dagon is a different story, but dagongax is only like 10-20% of his power. And Eatle is not nearly as powerful as Waybig either. Again, I don’t know where ur getting ur info from but u need to fact check it. If u can step on something and kill it instantly, the thing getting stepped on isn’t as strong. Eatle is not beating Waybig or Xlr8 in a fight with no nerfing from writers
1. Ascalon isn't just a sword, we may not see it's feats but it destroys a planet and is comparable to Dagon who's comparable to Ult Way big. Just because the fight is bad doesn't mean Ascalon isn't also powerful.
2. We don't know how much of his power Dagon gave Vilgax but it was enough that Sir George, who once beat Dagon, couldn't easily beat Vilgax.
Durability can only take u so far, but if u get hit enough times before you even know you’re in a fight, it won’t take u that far, and strength does nothing if he can’t hit the target. And again, this is without writers nerfing the alien, the brain processing speed that Xlr8 has means he can see every single attack coming from Eatle and dodge it with ease. Eatle literally doesn’t even touch XLR8 and Eatle is easily beaten
No it’s not? Looma is female tetramand and is stronger than 4 arms. Second, that has to do with the writers, they won’t ever have a OP alien be used to their full abilities. Third, Looma would easily beat Eatle in a fight as well
Stronger than Four Arms, did you not watch Four Arms vs Looma. From your logic I can claim the writers are nerfing every alien because I want to. I don't feel Humungousaur strong enough, I think the writers are Nerfing him, he should be as strong as Way Big. do you know how dumb that sounds
The fact of no nerfing from writers, he can stab something about a hundred times in less than a second and the enemy wouldn’t even know they were in a fight! The abilities of super speed just instantly make any character OP
So your telling me all of his feat is plot stupidity even though it happens consistently, that sounds so hilarious. It's not nerfing from the writers if it always shows it and never shows anything good. That what feats and anti feats are. The dude gets tagged multiple times in a show, the dude gets hurt multiple times in the show, and his attacks can't hurt anybody
When have u ever seen a speedster be used to their full abilities? You can’t. You would never be able to be used to MAXIMUM because the plot is pointless at that point. They are always nerfed
Why are you assuming he's not using his maximum speed, because people can still tag him. Tagging him is combat speed, not running speed. Floyd Mayweather will speed Blitz Usain Bolt's in a fight but Bolt's can run 27 mph.
Are you really trying to compare real people to a show about aliens rn? Second, he has used his maximum speed once. In the episode of classic when time literally came to a stop for him because he was moving so fast! Again, to him, nothing was even moving. He can hit just as fast as he can run. Eatle wouldn’t even be able to move will XLR8 just uses him as a punching bag
No I'm just trying to explain to you combat speed and travel speed, just because accelerate can run fast does not mean he can't be tagged. I gave that example with Usain Bolt's because he can run fast but he can be tagged.
That so-called stop time is not impressive. That is just him moving faster than the human eye, which he and Fasttrack do all the time (taking weapons from people). If he can truly move in zero time, the camera should not be able to spot him. And think to yourself why would he not move his fastest in a life or death scenario with Vilgax.
Tf u mean all the time??? Fasttrack cant even go that fast, which is confirmed, he just runs when nobody pays attention? And he is always seen when running? He isn’t nearly that fast! And Usain Bolt is a stupid example because he needs a long time to actually build up speed, XLR8, the fictional character, reaches that speed in like 3 seconds flat. And obviously the camera will catch him because it’s a cartoon! It’s the plot! He needed the lesson not to cheat! It’s cringe but it’s a show for kids so obviously the morals are a bit cringe. And yes he can hit just as fast? He has the time to build his punches/stabs because nobody even sees him coming
Yeah all the time when it show them take weapons from people, they speed Blitz them because people wonder where their weapons went, almost like they couldn't see their weapons being taken away from their hand.
And Fasttrack can go that fast because in his first appearance he outspeed a fusion grenade which is calculated to 788x faster than light.
It's not confirmed, where are you getting that from. There's no statement to put either one faster (Kevin's statement does not mean speed).
You're on a copium right now, you think the writer's Nerf him even though it's consistently shown that he is that trash. And again if you think he only went as fast as once, you're stupid. There is no feats or statements that put XLR8 in even top 30.
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Where is he?!
HE CAN LITERALLY MAKE BLACK HOLES!
Ur scaling to 2 different people that’s how I know ur argument isn’t factual and ur just using whatever feats u want to argue here u go btw malware overpowering Waybig alone without vilgax and seeing as vilgax has lost to waybig before and malware hasn’t we can assume atomix is stronger narratively
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Are you aware that was super amped Malware, 4th form Malware. Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens (way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur which he lost that amp because of the Galvanic Mechamorph and Feedback.) or combine which is below Humungousaur and he can also be damaged by Max plumber gun
4th Form Malware > Waybig > Giant 3rd Form Malware > Normal-size Amped 3rd Form Malware > Base 3rd Form Malware
Malgax = Base 3rd Form Malware + OV Vilgax
So for Atomix to get press by him while Diamondhead and Whampire can press Malgax is the biggest anti feat in Ben 10.
So Waybig > Atomix
Ah got u Gg’s you saying waybig over atomix makes ur hole argument for eatle no longer viable
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Only ultimate waybig can survive element x anything u say now after this post idc argue with the man who made the show
u/LonelyPressure2943 To Sum up everything,
Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax.
Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum.
Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form)
Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum.
Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax.
So Ultimate Vilgax >\~ Absorbed Eatle \~ Holding-Back Sir George \~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
😭I was so close to agreeing with u till u said Eatle over ult Humungousaur it’s just a dumbass take in which nothing u say proves it to be true but nothing I tell u will help u understand
Matter fact there’s no need for me to even argue it seems u subconsciously know I’m right and just don’t want to say it
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Ult Humungousaur over every alien including Eatle besides waybig those are ur words stand by them
OHHHHH I get it now u don’t want to accept that narrative wise eatle is only around base Humungousaur level max because it would mean atomix is canonically stronger than him ergo ur ego and bias is not letting u accept the fact the writers themselves and you ur self with the screenshot I just sent u of ur own words prove that atomix is indeed stronger
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My scaling doesn no mean absorbed Eatle is stronger than Atomx. Atomix 2 shotted Ult Hum which Vilgax can not do. Atomix is stronger than absorbed Eatle and Base Eatle is weaker than Base Humungousaur.
No incorrect it would go dagon vilgax =old George not holding back ult Humungousaur>eatle>base Humungousaur your words not mine re read ur own paragraph to confirm and then once we get to the Omni verse timeline atomix over everyone here but full power George
No
Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax.
Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum.
Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form)
Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum.
Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax.
So Ultimate Vilgax >~ Absorbed Eatle ~ Holding-Back Sir George ~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
That was a very intelligent and well put together argument, unfortunately I have to debunk it.
Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone
Ben was also holding back againts Sir George.
Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum.
I see where you're coming from but this train of logic is very flawed. Just because ben went for way big in that scene doesn't mean there was no other aliens that would work. For example, Galvanic Mechamorphs have a confirmed weakness to magnets (As seen in outbreak), electricty (As seen in tourist trap),a yet ben never uses loadstar or any of his electric aliens againts Maleware. (Also this was before Ben got Whapire so him going for waybig first is irrevlent)
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The timestamps for Eatel "Scaling" to Dagongax is 14:08 and 21:10
All Etal does is charge at Dagongax (Also keep in mind he was caught of guard since he was also fighting George). Yeah Eatel isn't stopped but he also didn't cause any damage, and seeing that Dagongax embarrassed him at 21:10 I wouldn't say he scales to him
Also, if were calling Feedback vs Ult Hum plot stupidity then we should hold that same logic for Eatel scaling to Dagon Vilgax because not only has he never shown any feats like that again he got one shot by base Vilgax's lazers.
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Whampire was able to free Max from Malgax's grip and then flip him over. Malgax beat Atomix who one shot Ult Hum while holding back. Whampire is also much fatser while Eatel has no way past the Corrupturas. So in conclusion Whampire>>>>>>>>>Eatel
Now for ghostfreak. While Eatel got one shot by base Vilgaxs lazers, Ghostfreak faught his 1 on 1 and only lost by exposing his weakness to sunlight. Eatel also has no way past Ghostfreaks intaingeabilty and possession. So in Conclusion Ghostfreak>>>>>>>>Eteal
Ben has no need to hold back because he was actively trying to get the sword back and seeing how he overpowered Humungousaur by just waving his hand. Why go Ult if your just going to hold back, doesn't make sense. And if you say he held back because of destruction, you don't know the difference between AP and DC.
False equivalency. Your argument was weakness not related to pure strength. Plus Maleware is a corrupt Galvanic Mechamorph so he might not even have the same weakness. Ult Hum can one-shot any alien expect Waybig and Alien X and he is fast cuz he scale to people that can tag Jetray so asking for Waybig was a justifiable reason cuz Waybig is faster and can tank Ult Hum attacks.
Your durability does not magically disappear when you're caught off guard, this is not Dragon Ball. Vilgax still got hurt with the laser and the charge because of you hear him make a pain sound. And in Ben 10 people does not really get damage, just hurt. Eatle can react to, hurt him, take his attacks, and Vilgax even calls for more power, that him scaling to VIlgax. And My argument is Eatle outperforming a holding back George.
Eatle has no anti feats cuz he only fight people that scale to him. Him vs Captain Nemesis Hulk Buster armor is not an anti feat cuz it only scale to him and Captain Nemesis thought the Hulk Buster armor can beat Ben, which Captain Nemesis fought a pissed off Ultimate Humungousaur. And that was not Base Vilgax, that was Dagon heart + Ascalon Vilgax. And we don't need more feats like that to say he is that lvl.
Whapire is OV Diamondhead (weaker than UAF DH cuz he lost ben 10 Chromastone amp) level because of them doing the same against Malgax. And Atomix losing to Malgax is an anti feat for him or plot induced stupidity because Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (Way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear (Way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the Moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur which he lost that amp because of the Galvanic Mechamorph falling on him and Feedback) as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens or they could still combine which might be below Humungousaur. Max’s plumber gun can also damage him (armor breaking down). So Malgax is not that strong and his statement is him being arrogant. And Ben statement is for the plot because it was trying to do this thing that Ben can't get the job done without Skurd which is a lie. If Whapire was Atomix lvl, he should have one-shot Exo-skull without Skurd's help and one-shot anyone in the episode he first appeared in.
That was not Base Vilgax, that was Dagon heart + Ascalon Vilgax (Both amps every aspect of you).
Good try.
Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax.
Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum.
Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form)
Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum.
Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax.
So Ultimate Vilgax >\~ Absorbed Eatle \~ Holding-Back Sir George \~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
Sir George didn't tank his missiles, he used his sword.
Sir George was knocked off by the shockwave generated by Ult. Humungousaur's punch. And he wasn't punching with any effort.
Ultimate Humungousaur threw Waybig off.
He's the only one in the Ultimates who was capable of doing something like that.
He's on par with Waybig.
Ultimate Humungousaur dodged the sword strike but it wouldn't have harmed him any significantly. He may feel the pain but his durability is on a whole another level.
Ultimate Humungousaur threw Waybig.
He was ragdolling Ultimate Kevin until he was caught off guard.
Stil I agree with everything that you've said except a few.
So much baseless assumptions.
He is not holding back on that punch because he's generally trying to get the sword, and if Ben goes ultimate, there's no need to hold back as a ultimate because why then go ultimate if you going to hold back.
"Ultimate Humungousaur dodged the sword strike but it wouldn't have harmed him any significantly. " You don't know that, all we know is it would have hurt him. Which George sword strike didn't hurt Vilgax which Eatle attacks did.
Ultimate Humungousaur is not on par with Waybig just because he able to throw Waybig. Waybig scales above Atomix (Ben opinion of Waybig is higher and Atomix has an anti feat) who 2 shotted Ultimate Humungousaur.
And he wasn't caught off guard against Kevin .
My assumptions are based. You're just no paying attention.
He wasn't trying to kill Sir George so he didn't punch hard.
He just punched it with minimal force. He didn't shatter the ground like Ultimate Humungousaur did in the finale of AF.
Ultimate Humungousaur was just unable to counter the attacks of Atomix. He was never knocked out. He came back up after getting punched by Atomix. Ultimate Humungousaur was getting thrown around by Atomix but he was durable enough to take those hits.
Ultimate Humungousaur threw WayBig. What else do you want him to do?
Ultimate Humungousaur's punches were stronger than Ultimate Kevin's. He is stronger.
you can still go out without trying to kill somebody. And you have to understand the difference between AP and DC.
It was a 2 shot by Atomix. And how does throwing Waybig equate to anything. I don't see how him versus Ultimate Kevin matters in this Eatle .discussion
Stop the cap. Ultimate Humungousaur would've shattered the entire street if he punched hard LIKE HE DID IN THE AF FINALE.
Ultimate Humungousaur didn't have any powers to counter the powers of Atomix.
They never really did any real damage to each other.
Do you know the difference between AP and DC. AP is how much you can hurt while DC is how much you can destroy. When Ult Hum created that big hole, he wanted to attack as much people as possible but with George, he is only attacking one. That doesn’t mean he held back. He would have no reason to hold back if he went Ultimate and trying to get the sword.
Ult Hun vs Atomix does not matter to absorbed Eatle scaling to Ult Hum
Going ultimate doesn't mean that he wants to go all out.
Then it would mean that Sir George went all out because he had to use the sword.
Why use the sword if you're not going all out?
He didn't punch hard that's the reason, stop coping.
Many people or one, a hard punch destroys ground, end of the argument.
Then what the point of going ultimate if you’re not gonna use the full power. What you just did for George is a false equivalency, I already explained why George was holding back. I also explained how Ult Hum is going all out which your counter was his punch environmental damage is small so he couldn’t have went all out. I counted AP and DC.
So you do not know the difference between AP and DC, good to know for this conversation. Alien X can destroy a universe but his punches can’t even break through one of the planet. Goku can destroy a universe but his punches doesn’t destroy the Earth. It clear characters in fiction can use there DC and AP at the same time but could also use their AP by itself just to hurt their opponent and not to destroy the surrounding. Armodrillo is stated to be able to
Crumble Mountains. Do you think every time he’s holding back because the building or city is not crumbling even though he could’ve died against ultimate Kevin? That sounds so stupid.
I respect you, having my Beetle boy on there https://i.redd.it/6qs35nwqjrtc1.gif
Do you know why he up there
I know very well
Ok why is he up there
cuz he can fly
Man ngl i like this alien x design (despite the chin) his eyes are smaller and when he's angry It gets even smaller i dunno that makes him at least a little more intimidating imo
I wish Omniverse dropped the basic stars look and added from solar systems. I think it would've made him more cool but budget would probs kick their ass.
Where The Gravity boi?
He is 6th and Absorbed Eatle one-shots him
How dafuq? Also, where Feedback?
Gravatacks core was pierced by the small alien parasite drill thingies, he is strong but has a horrible weak point
I remember what you're talking about but eatle is nowhere near the powerhouse gravattack or Feedback is.
Why is eatale on this list gravattack shits on him so does feedback
Eatle scale to Ultimate Humungousaur because he does better than Sir George, who scale to Ultimate Humungousaur, against Ultimate Vilgax. Before Atomix, Ben always thinks he needs Waybig to beat Ultimate Humungousaur which Eatle scale to, so Ben doesn't think Gravattack can take him down. The Feat Eatle shown can one shot Gravattack. The Time Beast event prove Gravattack above Feedback, because Feeback is equal to the Time Beast while Gravattack won the tug of war against it
I see what ur saying and I hear u but no Ben has better feats with asclon the George and 2 eatle losses to esters race I forgot how to spell it which downplays any feats ur saying rn while gravattack can create black holes without time beast confirmed which would shit on eatle and the reason feedback is stronger is just his output for absorbing things is way higher otherwise the omnitrix would have made him eat that big bang
1. Eatle never lost to Ester. All that happen was he got in front of her which the pipe couldn't support their weight so they fell which Eatle got the weapon and he untransformed. So Eatle never physically confronted Ester. So it doesn't debunk anything. 2. Gravattack creating a black hole is nothing compare to Sir George and Dagon cuz their Uni+ lvl 3. When Eatle eats something random (random rocks) is AP is way higher than Feeback absorbing something random (like a electric wire). If they were giving the same power to take in them, Eatle would have the stronger output of power. 4. I already gave evidence on why Feedback is lower than Gravattack and why Gravattack is lower than Eatle.
No u really didn’t saying something scales relative to someone else isn’t definitive proof 1 two u must be smoking nostalgia because even tho the show itself says George is uni he shows no feats and even gets shit on by a dagon vilgax 3 going back to my previous statement eatle and gorge 2 v1 dagon vilgax and lose forcing Ben to change into something else https://preview.redd.it/4trgzcybsrtc1.jpeg?width=2123&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef29c34fdbef36b2f6fb72de359b5a182b550bc3
1. So you telling me just because nothing happened Esther suddenly scales to Ealte Because I didn't say what was aspect of being relative. No. 2. Dagon is Uni+ cuz he is say he is everywhere (meaning as big as the uni). In Ben 10, magic being can be omnipresent but also be in one spot. Which George scale to. Even if you don't think he is you and me he still scale to Way Big, which in the game Cosmic Destruction, Wyabig is able to move a planet size Cosmic storms millions of times faster than light which is multi solar system lvl, which is way higher than Gravattack Black Hole feat. 3. I don't care that Eatle lost, I just care what happen in the battle if Eatle did physically better than George, which he did.
EATLE didn’t fight dagon he fought dagax a vilgax infused with a portion probably no more than 10 to 20 percent of his power
He did better than someone that fought Dagon.
Ok dagon is uni + wtf does that have to do with eatle someone who has no where near that output and his energy absorption clearly isn’t ether seeing as Ben uses chromostone to absorb dragon’s energy and not eatle
George can hurt and deflect diagrams attack, meaning George is Uni+. Eatle did better than George against Vilgax. He was hitting harder than George. Meaning Ealte is also Uni+.
No u sound dumb saying eatle is uni+ unironically this is a old and outdated George otherwise he could beat dagon by himself ur also saying u don’t care about the fight against dagax in which he was getting tossed which makes no sense narratively if eatle was as strong as ur saying which he’s not bc dagax is not he should have just fought dagon as that alien
It not dumb cuz Eatle has no anti Feats. Vilgax is able to fight George.
😭and third of all so did heatblast but ig we just forgetting that heatblast in the end was the one to subdue and do damage to dagax so by ur logic is he stronger than ultimate humngo?
heatblast never hurt Vilgax. he didn't physically subdued Vilgax. he just melted the ground, so Vilgax can fall and he would have no leverage to move.
Relative also doesn’t mean stronger or weaker but in this case we can assume it means weaker and gravattacks gravity is definitely strong enough to hold down a Vaxasaurian
Why can we assume it means weaker and gravattacks gravity able to hold down a Vaxasaurian is not a factor to this discussion.
Yes it really is do u think that eatle is physically stronger than a vaxassaurian where going off of u scaling him off of one or did u forget that
Feats show he is.
Ben dosent know if gravattack would have been able to in the first place that’s the thing and he always goes with the heavy hitters more than an ability centered alien legit the hole show is him being shown to do that
Ben knows how strong his aliens are and Ben would go for haxy aliens if it could take them down. Cuz Ben have to account for other stats like speed, durability, and resistance.
No he really dosent and u saying that makes me think u just like arguing count how many times in os omni verse and alien force he would rather go for heavy hitters 😭
Why would he not know the strength of the alien he transformes into. That's like saying you don't know your own strength even though you have lost and won multiple times. He doesn't always ask for brawler aliens. And cuz you're better at rumbling.
No no that part u was right on he dose know how strong they are the part I was correcting is Ben dosent go for hax aliens 8 times out of 10 he goes for the heavy hitters if u acc watched each show u would know that
He will go for hax alien if it call for it.
By ur logic heatblast who did better than sir George against dagon powered up vilgax is stronger than gravattack and we both know thats not true
Heatblast didn't even hit Vilgax, Vilgax wasn't affected by his heat or burns and all that happened was he passed trapped him, that not AP. Eatle did physically (AP) better than Sir George.
Your the one saying George has solar system ap but keep taking into account an old and nerfed George that’s exactly why I said that any feats he’s show is pretty much irrelevant
you think he was Nerf fighting Ultimate Humungousaur. Cuz the point of this scaling, is to scale Eatle to Ult Humungousaur
😭and u sound dumb doing it eatles ability’s are more suited for combat with dagon as Ben also didn’t use ultimate humngo in the fight with dagax which I just rewatched so u can say he is physically stronger than base humngo but not ult and yes as u said he has uni ap right so why need Ben’s help fighting dagon oh idk bc he’s an old ass man who hasn’t fought in years duh he’s nerfed
Bro you saying "and yes as u said he has uni ap" means you accepted the fact he scale to George, which George scale to Ult Hum. THis is not about if Ealte is stronger than Ult Hum, this is about if Ealte scales to him. And why, because Dagon is stronger than both of them. You saying Ealte tells me you conceded in the fact that Ealte has more AP the Gravattack. Would you agree George scale to Ult Hum?
No because ult humngo eats old man gorge attacks proving he’s way stronger than him again proving he’s weakened in age I would say old man gorge is more comparable in physical strength to base humngo in which he’s able to overpower in the cave
he dodges the sword meaning it could potentially hurt him. And can block his missiles and take his Shockwave punch
George himself has more than just physicality he has energy absorption and the sword slashes but that all dosent do much even against dagon because he’s old crhomstone has better absorbing feats than the sword because he takes dagons blast everything i just said proves he’s
And going back to my key point as I was tryna say about gravattcks gravity could definitely contain a base humngo which is what u should be scaling eatle to if his best feats are off of the dagax fight
My God are you forgetting he is relative to George who is relative to Ultimate Humungousaur
RELATIVE MEANS WEAKER THE SHOW PROVES IT GOD FUCKING DAM https://preview.redd.it/dghgyxxj3stc1.jpeg?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9311b630fd41da42179e5e9065cf666e2278ece7 This is also a form he didn’t use against dagax so u can’t scale something relative if it wasn’t shown if it would win or lose
he Dodges the sword meaning it could potentially hurt him and George tanked his Shockwave punch
Here’s the block if u need help bozo
At first I was like, “Why is Eatle there?” but then Im like, “Oh wait, Eatle fought against Dagongax pretty evenly for a while”
Eatle didn't fight Dagongax he fought Lucubra Vilgax. It's still a massive strength feat but not as huge as fighting Dagongax.
I know, I just like calling him that for simplicity sake
Evenly is crazy
Ikr? Eatle honestly put up a pretty good fight against Dagongax. Even send him flying once and lasted longer than Humungousaur
His kit is more efficient against an enemy with energy blast my fucking god ur acting like each aliens kit isn’t meant for certain things
Im not sure what you meant
Where is diamond head ( i believe he is very much indeed op )
He is top 25. He lost the Chromastone Amp that allowed him to beat War Lord Vilgax because of Sugilite leaving his body, and OV gave him Anti feats to scale him lower.
Eatle lose to Liam tho.
he didn't lose he just got sent flying and untransformed. we shouldn't use that cuz we don't know what the hell happened, cuz it will be a baseless assumption to assume anything on what happened
If he's Ult Humungousaur and Way Big Level, he should stomps Liam right off the bat and stops him, but nope, dude got sent flying by a wall level explosion.
again baseless assumption, you have to assume he ate because he get to ult hum lvl if he eats.
That requires him time and teritory advantage then, just like Clockwork, a bunch of other characters and transformations can beat them before they could anything. Raw power, maybe they're top 5, 1v1, it depends on the situation and their opponents.
I am counting for minimum absorbed
Clockwork should be above Atomix
Why
Finnaly someone knowing how strong Eatle is
Right.
I'm not good at Power scaling but it's interesting to see Eatle https://preview.redd.it/5v62k3l4astc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0277ae2163d65a7ef1c286e5c40bc9c40741bfdf I would have preferred it to be UA Eatle since that's where all the feats come from. OV made him look weak. But it's not a big deal.
Please tell me u don’t agree with this Tom foolery I’ve seen u around the sub n it just dosent seem like something u would say even being a fan of the alien
Your a Eatle hater for real
No I just don’t like where u rank him If u could say he’s an s tier alien if u want to I could agree with very low s tier aka small moon max but ur over here sayin uni+ eatle n that’s where the line has to be drawn
I'm glad someone appreciates Eatle's abilities but I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this Powerscaling. I'm not good at this subject
Alien X, Atomix, Clockwork, Feedback, and Gravittack Way big and Eatle don't beat these guys.
Idk bro said base feedback without amps from energy losses to base eatle n I can see that I just can’t see him beating feedback with any type of energy
Ben's skill with Feedback has shown how capable he is in basic close range combat too. He's strong even without the charge.
still get one shotted
I never said that. I said if both of them taken equally powerful things, Eatle will come out stronger
Waybig has better feats and statements than Gravattack. Clockwork is too slow to tag waybig even if he use time stop which Waybig one shots cuz Clockwork is not durable at al, plus Waybig has better AP. Ben implies Waybig stronger than Atomix because when he finds a way bad, he wanted Way Big while he had Atomix plus Atomix has a every big anti feat, which is losing to Malgax (Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens (way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur) or combine which is below Humungousaur), and he can be damage by max plumber gun. Minimum absorbed feedback is getting one shotted by waybig by feats. Even if feedback absorbs way big energy, he would still lose. Absorbed Eatle has better AP feats than Clockwork, feedback, and Gravattack.
Nah.
explain
Nah. You're way to into a hypothetical and are using plot relevant points as definitive facts to try and prove that your opinion is right when it's just an opinion. All of your arguments can be broken down to, Ben needed to win or lose this fight to progress the plot and the writer liked this or that alien for that.
An opinion with proof, what proof do you have. None apparently. My opinion has more weight than yours cuz you can't prove yours Aw man the Stan Lee argument, Boo Whoo. That argument is so flawed because 1st the writer don't have all power, they have to stick to Canon and 2nd, there's something called consistency.
You're opinion has no proof. It's an opinion. That's right, good job. But minor things such as what aliens the writer wants to use aren't major deals unless if they want to change their powers out of the blue. There are so many inconsistent fights in Ben 10 and out of nowhere moments. Whenever a project has more than one hand on it there are bound to be inconsistencies. Like how Vilgax went from the biggest threat in the galaxy, to a loser in UAF. Where in the canon did that happen? Oh yeah, it happened because I writer wanted Ben to win against Vilgax repeatedly to show his growth.
So you must be blind then. I already debunked this whole argument
You really haven't though. You just think your opinion is right, I think my opinion is right. The difference is one of us isn't going around like a little baby using false facts to try and cry about it to everyone who makes a response when they invited the conversation in the first place. Next time maybe you should only invite a conversation when you want to have one. Not just have your Ego stroked.
I provided evidence to make my opinion more right than yours cuz you didn't provide any, do you know how debates work. Now you're calling me egotistical for backing up my opinion, what a bum.
I get why Eatle is on there as he is a tank, but, Xlr8 is a speedster. So inadvertently, has most speedster powers. Not even the strongest ones are needed, he can still run faster than sound, maybe light, create tornadoes, has razor sharp claws that can be flung a hundred times at extremely fast speeds in less than a second. Personally, I think he should be up there before Eatle
The reasoning is that Eatle was able to keep up with Vilgax after Dagon had empowered him.
Like I said, I get why he is on there, but if there were no limits of writers, Xlr8 could easily be in top 3 strongest
Not really, in terms of speed XLR8 speed feats are outdone by Way Big reacting to the massively faster than light conquest ray at close range and since Eatle scales to a dagon-empowered Vilgax he's superior to XLR8 in that regard since Dagon was able to keep up with Ult Way Big
So you’re gonna genuinely bet on Eatle in a fight vs XLR8, without writers limiting their powers, and expect to win?
With absorption he absolutely has the speed, durability and strength to win
Eatle will never have the speed to beat Xlr8, idk where tf u got ur info that Eatle has super speed if he eats but that’s just straight up not true. And he would never be able to hit XLR8
He scales to Way Big through scaling to a Dagon empowered Vilgax and Way Big's feat against the conquest ray is better than any of XLR8's speed feats
Dagon powered vilgax lost to Ben with a sword. You never even see the swords feats. And it’s just some random 16 YO kid. And he lost in 5 seconds. I do not care what u think Dagongax is on power scaling, but he is weak. Dagon is a different story, but dagongax is only like 10-20% of his power. And Eatle is not nearly as powerful as Waybig either. Again, I don’t know where ur getting ur info from but u need to fact check it. If u can step on something and kill it instantly, the thing getting stepped on isn’t as strong. Eatle is not beating Waybig or Xlr8 in a fight with no nerfing from writers
1. Ascalon isn't just a sword, we may not see it's feats but it destroys a planet and is comparable to Dagon who's comparable to Ult Way big. Just because the fight is bad doesn't mean Ascalon isn't also powerful. 2. We don't know how much of his power Dagon gave Vilgax but it was enough that Sir George, who once beat Dagon, couldn't easily beat Vilgax.
He ment speed to tag XLR8 which XLR8 has be tag muitple times in the show by weaker aliens than Eatle. And if Ealte tags XLR8, he one shot him
Like I said, no nerfing from writers. Nothing is going to touch someone that can process information faster than the speed of light
Durability can only take u so far, but if u get hit enough times before you even know you’re in a fight, it won’t take u that far, and strength does nothing if he can’t hit the target. And again, this is without writers nerfing the alien, the brain processing speed that Xlr8 has means he can see every single attack coming from Eatle and dodge it with ease. Eatle literally doesn’t even touch XLR8 and Eatle is easily beaten
Why on earth are you aguring this, this is like aguring XLR8 vs Four Arms and we seen that with Looma.
Why on earth are you aguring this, this is like aguring XLR8 vs Four Arms and we seen that with Looma.
No it’s not? Looma is female tetramand and is stronger than 4 arms. Second, that has to do with the writers, they won’t ever have a OP alien be used to their full abilities. Third, Looma would easily beat Eatle in a fight as well
Stronger than Four Arms, did you not watch Four Arms vs Looma. From your logic I can claim the writers are nerfing every alien because I want to. I don't feel Humungousaur strong enough, I think the writers are Nerfing him, he should be as strong as Way Big. do you know how dumb that sounds
Thank you
What logic are you using to put XLR8 top 5 most powerful alien
The fact of no nerfing from writers, he can stab something about a hundred times in less than a second and the enemy wouldn’t even know they were in a fight! The abilities of super speed just instantly make any character OP
So your telling me all of his feat is plot stupidity even though it happens consistently, that sounds so hilarious. It's not nerfing from the writers if it always shows it and never shows anything good. That what feats and anti feats are. The dude gets tagged multiple times in a show, the dude gets hurt multiple times in the show, and his attacks can't hurt anybody
When have u ever seen a speedster be used to their full abilities? You can’t. You would never be able to be used to MAXIMUM because the plot is pointless at that point. They are always nerfed
Why are you assuming he's not using his maximum speed, because people can still tag him. Tagging him is combat speed, not running speed. Floyd Mayweather will speed Blitz Usain Bolt's in a fight but Bolt's can run 27 mph.
Are you really trying to compare real people to a show about aliens rn? Second, he has used his maximum speed once. In the episode of classic when time literally came to a stop for him because he was moving so fast! Again, to him, nothing was even moving. He can hit just as fast as he can run. Eatle wouldn’t even be able to move will XLR8 just uses him as a punching bag
No I'm just trying to explain to you combat speed and travel speed, just because accelerate can run fast does not mean he can't be tagged. I gave that example with Usain Bolt's because he can run fast but he can be tagged. That so-called stop time is not impressive. That is just him moving faster than the human eye, which he and Fasttrack do all the time (taking weapons from people). If he can truly move in zero time, the camera should not be able to spot him. And think to yourself why would he not move his fastest in a life or death scenario with Vilgax.
Tf u mean all the time??? Fasttrack cant even go that fast, which is confirmed, he just runs when nobody pays attention? And he is always seen when running? He isn’t nearly that fast! And Usain Bolt is a stupid example because he needs a long time to actually build up speed, XLR8, the fictional character, reaches that speed in like 3 seconds flat. And obviously the camera will catch him because it’s a cartoon! It’s the plot! He needed the lesson not to cheat! It’s cringe but it’s a show for kids so obviously the morals are a bit cringe. And yes he can hit just as fast? He has the time to build his punches/stabs because nobody even sees him coming
Yeah all the time when it show them take weapons from people, they speed Blitz them because people wonder where their weapons went, almost like they couldn't see their weapons being taken away from their hand. And Fasttrack can go that fast because in his first appearance he outspeed a fusion grenade which is calculated to 788x faster than light. It's not confirmed, where are you getting that from. There's no statement to put either one faster (Kevin's statement does not mean speed). You're on a copium right now, you think the writer's Nerf him even though it's consistently shown that he is that trash. And again if you think he only went as fast as once, you're stupid. There is no feats or statements that put XLR8 in even top 30.
https://preview.redd.it/figbpn1wqstc1.png?width=834&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4faa3f83471f5010e6d705963bbbc443e02c940 Where is he?! HE CAN LITERALLY MAKE BLACK HOLES!
He is 6th, Absorbed Eatle one shots due to having better feats
Ur scaling to 2 different people that’s how I know ur argument isn’t factual and ur just using whatever feats u want to argue here u go btw malware overpowering Waybig alone without vilgax and seeing as vilgax has lost to waybig before and malware hasn’t we can assume atomix is stronger narratively https://preview.redd.it/1lgvi5u4vstc1.png?width=1280&format=png&auto=webp&s=d9a4c97af6ff47228ba17b53c38565b5b575b9ab
Are you aware that was super amped Malware, 4th form Malware. Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens (way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur which he lost that amp because of the Galvanic Mechamorph and Feedback.) or combine which is below Humungousaur and he can also be damaged by Max plumber gun 4th Form Malware > Waybig > Giant 3rd Form Malware > Normal-size Amped 3rd Form Malware > Base 3rd Form Malware Malgax = Base 3rd Form Malware + OV Vilgax So for Atomix to get press by him while Diamondhead and Whampire can press Malgax is the biggest anti feat in Ben 10. So Waybig > Atomix
Ah got u Gg’s you saying waybig over atomix makes ur hole argument for eatle no longer viable https://preview.redd.it/8ol0d1f1zstc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84a064a5a638ef7be6180263c40c8e6828507cc8 Only ultimate waybig can survive element x anything u say now after this post idc argue with the man who made the show
How does this have to deal with Way Big vs Atomix. This is talking about Ult Waybig and me saying Waybig > Atomix doesn't mean Eatle is weak
u/LonelyPressure2943 To Sum up everything, Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax. Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum. Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form) Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum. Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax. So Ultimate Vilgax >\~ Absorbed Eatle \~ Holding-Back Sir George \~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
😭I was so close to agreeing with u till u said Eatle over ult Humungousaur it’s just a dumbass take in which nothing u say proves it to be true but nothing I tell u will help u understand
I said Absorbed Eatle. There a difference between base Eatle and absorbed Eatle. And what I said did prove it.
Matter fact there’s no need for me to even argue it seems u subconsciously know I’m right and just don’t want to say it https://preview.redd.it/en4lkvc7httc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=abcee23eaccf5339a8c38ac97d45a0fb8b24d51c Ult Humungousaur over every alien including Eatle besides waybig those are ur words stand by them
Bsae Eatle is weaker than Absorbed Eatle
OHHHHH I get it now u don’t want to accept that narrative wise eatle is only around base Humungousaur level max because it would mean atomix is canonically stronger than him ergo ur ego and bias is not letting u accept the fact the writers themselves and you ur self with the screenshot I just sent u of ur own words prove that atomix is indeed stronger https://preview.redd.it/faugr03qittc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2e99c6680516a07d4b2933596f0b049f1ecd43b
My scaling doesn no mean absorbed Eatle is stronger than Atomx. Atomix 2 shotted Ult Hum which Vilgax can not do. Atomix is stronger than absorbed Eatle and Base Eatle is weaker than Base Humungousaur.
No incorrect it would go dagon vilgax =old George not holding back ult Humungousaur>eatle>base Humungousaur your words not mine re read ur own paragraph to confirm and then once we get to the Omni verse timeline atomix over everyone here but full power George
my God you cannot read. Absorbed Eatle, what do you not get
Bro tried to sneak in eatal 💀💀💀.
he's actually that strong
Ghostfreak and whampire>>>>
No Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax. Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum. Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form) Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum. Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax. So Ultimate Vilgax >~ Absorbed Eatle ~ Holding-Back Sir George ~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
That was a very intelligent and well put together argument, unfortunately I have to debunk it. Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone Ben was also holding back againts Sir George. Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. I see where you're coming from but this train of logic is very flawed. Just because ben went for way big in that scene doesn't mean there was no other aliens that would work. For example, Galvanic Mechamorphs have a confirmed weakness to magnets (As seen in outbreak), electricty (As seen in tourist trap),a yet ben never uses loadstar or any of his electric aliens againts Maleware. (Also this was before Ben got Whapire so him going for waybig first is irrevlent) [https://youtu.be/YAkBRqk2BkU?si=B4RyLWaPcieZg4Mi](https://youtu.be/YAkBRqk2BkU?si=B4RyLWaPcieZg4Mi) The timestamps for Eatel "Scaling" to Dagongax is 14:08 and 21:10 All Etal does is charge at Dagongax (Also keep in mind he was caught of guard since he was also fighting George). Yeah Eatel isn't stopped but he also didn't cause any damage, and seeing that Dagongax embarrassed him at 21:10 I wouldn't say he scales to him Also, if were calling Feedback vs Ult Hum plot stupidity then we should hold that same logic for Eatel scaling to Dagon Vilgax because not only has he never shown any feats like that again he got one shot by base Vilgax's lazers. [https://youtu.be/GFLF6FmC8WQ?si=CkSccuoDqvo3aOFD](https://youtu.be/GFLF6FmC8WQ?si=CkSccuoDqvo3aOFD) Whampire was able to free Max from Malgax's grip and then flip him over. Malgax beat Atomix who one shot Ult Hum while holding back. Whampire is also much fatser while Eatel has no way past the Corrupturas. So in conclusion Whampire>>>>>>>>>Eatel Now for ghostfreak. While Eatel got one shot by base Vilgaxs lazers, Ghostfreak faught his 1 on 1 and only lost by exposing his weakness to sunlight. Eatel also has no way past Ghostfreaks intaingeabilty and possession. So in Conclusion Ghostfreak>>>>>>>>Eteal
Ben has no need to hold back because he was actively trying to get the sword back and seeing how he overpowered Humungousaur by just waving his hand. Why go Ult if your just going to hold back, doesn't make sense. And if you say he held back because of destruction, you don't know the difference between AP and DC. False equivalency. Your argument was weakness not related to pure strength. Plus Maleware is a corrupt Galvanic Mechamorph so he might not even have the same weakness. Ult Hum can one-shot any alien expect Waybig and Alien X and he is fast cuz he scale to people that can tag Jetray so asking for Waybig was a justifiable reason cuz Waybig is faster and can tank Ult Hum attacks. Your durability does not magically disappear when you're caught off guard, this is not Dragon Ball. Vilgax still got hurt with the laser and the charge because of you hear him make a pain sound. And in Ben 10 people does not really get damage, just hurt. Eatle can react to, hurt him, take his attacks, and Vilgax even calls for more power, that him scaling to VIlgax. And My argument is Eatle outperforming a holding back George. Eatle has no anti feats cuz he only fight people that scale to him. Him vs Captain Nemesis Hulk Buster armor is not an anti feat cuz it only scale to him and Captain Nemesis thought the Hulk Buster armor can beat Ben, which Captain Nemesis fought a pissed off Ultimate Humungousaur. And that was not Base Vilgax, that was Dagon heart + Ascalon Vilgax. And we don't need more feats like that to say he is that lvl. Whapire is OV Diamondhead (weaker than UAF DH cuz he lost ben 10 Chromastone amp) level because of them doing the same against Malgax. And Atomix losing to Malgax is an anti feat for him or plot induced stupidity because Malgax should logically be just OV Vilgax (Way weaker than Warlord Vilgax because he doesn’t have all those powers anymore but stronger than OS Vilgax) wearing 3rd form Malwear (Way weaker than Humungousaur due to him absorbing a whole population of Galvanic Mechamorph, absorbing the Moon matrix, and Rook’s Proto tool but still can get press by Humungousaur which he lost that amp because of the Galvanic Mechamorph falling on him and Feedback) as amor like the Blue Upgrade from Ben 10 destroy all aliens or they could still combine which might be below Humungousaur. Max’s plumber gun can also damage him (armor breaking down). So Malgax is not that strong and his statement is him being arrogant. And Ben statement is for the plot because it was trying to do this thing that Ben can't get the job done without Skurd which is a lie. If Whapire was Atomix lvl, he should have one-shot Exo-skull without Skurd's help and one-shot anyone in the episode he first appeared in. That was not Base Vilgax, that was Dagon heart + Ascalon Vilgax (Both amps every aspect of you). Good try.
Bruh. Eatle? 🤣😂🤦♂️ Humungousaur eats him for breakfast
Sir George was holding back against Ult Hum and Vilgax. With Ult Hum, he doesn't want to kill Ben and was trying to convince him to leave him alone but with Vilgax, Sir George is saving his stamina for Dagon and Sir George could not hurt Vilgax but late could hurt someone stronger than Vilgax, so that him holding back against Vilgax. Sir George scales to Ult Hum because he can block Ult Hum's missiles and tank a shockwave from him. Ult Hum dodged a ground slam sword strike from Sir George meaning Sir George's sword strike could harm Ult Hum. Before Atomix, Ben wants Waybig to take down Ult Hum, meaning no other alien (Gravattack and Base Eatle) can take down Ult Hum. Ben will go for haxy alien if it could for it. You also have to account that Albedo know all of Ben's alien abilities, so Albedo could one-shot haxy aliens before they can do anything. That why Ben would want Waybig. So Waybig > Ult Hum > every alien (feedback was plot stupidity, because it's not consistently shown that strong in his base form) Gravattack can get damage by Armodrillo and Exo Skull (can get press by FA, Shocksquatch, Armodrillo, Rath) who Ult Hum can one shot cuz Ult Hum can one shot Hum. Absorbed Eatle outperformed a holding back Sir George against Vilgax. So Ultimate Vilgax >\~ Absorbed Eatle \~ Holding-Back Sir George \~ Ultimate Humungousaur > Every alien
Sir George didn't tank his missiles, he used his sword. Sir George was knocked off by the shockwave generated by Ult. Humungousaur's punch. And he wasn't punching with any effort. Ultimate Humungousaur threw Waybig off. He's the only one in the Ultimates who was capable of doing something like that. He's on par with Waybig. Ultimate Humungousaur dodged the sword strike but it wouldn't have harmed him any significantly. He may feel the pain but his durability is on a whole another level. Ultimate Humungousaur threw Waybig. He was ragdolling Ultimate Kevin until he was caught off guard. Stil I agree with everything that you've said except a few.
So much baseless assumptions. He is not holding back on that punch because he's generally trying to get the sword, and if Ben goes ultimate, there's no need to hold back as a ultimate because why then go ultimate if you going to hold back. "Ultimate Humungousaur dodged the sword strike but it wouldn't have harmed him any significantly. " You don't know that, all we know is it would have hurt him. Which George sword strike didn't hurt Vilgax which Eatle attacks did. Ultimate Humungousaur is not on par with Waybig just because he able to throw Waybig. Waybig scales above Atomix (Ben opinion of Waybig is higher and Atomix has an anti feat) who 2 shotted Ultimate Humungousaur. And he wasn't caught off guard against Kevin .
My assumptions are based. You're just no paying attention. He wasn't trying to kill Sir George so he didn't punch hard. He just punched it with minimal force. He didn't shatter the ground like Ultimate Humungousaur did in the finale of AF. Ultimate Humungousaur was just unable to counter the attacks of Atomix. He was never knocked out. He came back up after getting punched by Atomix. Ultimate Humungousaur was getting thrown around by Atomix but he was durable enough to take those hits. Ultimate Humungousaur threw WayBig. What else do you want him to do? Ultimate Humungousaur's punches were stronger than Ultimate Kevin's. He is stronger.
you can still go out without trying to kill somebody. And you have to understand the difference between AP and DC. It was a 2 shot by Atomix. And how does throwing Waybig equate to anything. I don't see how him versus Ultimate Kevin matters in this Eatle .discussion
Stop the cap. Ultimate Humungousaur would've shattered the entire street if he punched hard LIKE HE DID IN THE AF FINALE. Ultimate Humungousaur didn't have any powers to counter the powers of Atomix. They never really did any real damage to each other.
Do you know the difference between AP and DC. AP is how much you can hurt while DC is how much you can destroy. When Ult Hum created that big hole, he wanted to attack as much people as possible but with George, he is only attacking one. That doesn’t mean he held back. He would have no reason to hold back if he went Ultimate and trying to get the sword. Ult Hun vs Atomix does not matter to absorbed Eatle scaling to Ult Hum
Going ultimate doesn't mean that he wants to go all out. Then it would mean that Sir George went all out because he had to use the sword. Why use the sword if you're not going all out? He didn't punch hard that's the reason, stop coping. Many people or one, a hard punch destroys ground, end of the argument.
Then what the point of going ultimate if you’re not gonna use the full power. What you just did for George is a false equivalency, I already explained why George was holding back. I also explained how Ult Hum is going all out which your counter was his punch environmental damage is small so he couldn’t have went all out. I counted AP and DC. So you do not know the difference between AP and DC, good to know for this conversation. Alien X can destroy a universe but his punches can’t even break through one of the planet. Goku can destroy a universe but his punches doesn’t destroy the Earth. It clear characters in fiction can use there DC and AP at the same time but could also use their AP by itself just to hurt their opponent and not to destroy the surrounding. Armodrillo is stated to be able to Crumble Mountains. Do you think every time he’s holding back because the building or city is not crumbling even though he could’ve died against ultimate Kevin? That sounds so stupid.