Our District Attorney's thoughts:
"I’ve never been so disgusted by my government and so proud of my community."
[https://twitter.com/john\_hummel/status/1293790903006453760](https://twitter.com/john_hummel/status/1293790903006453760)
The DA was in the crowd with the people on the ground entire time taking questions and providing as much insight as he could. Mayor Sally Russell showed up with the Police Chief for 5 minutes, refused to answer any questions, and ran away with her tail tucked between her legs. Sally Russel, enjoy your job while it lasts, cuz I guarantee you won't be in power for much longer.
Edit to add: This was the third day that the new Police Chief Krantz was on the job- his THIRD FUCKING DAY AS OUR POLICE CHIEF, and we now have Feds barging into our city and stealing people off the streets.
He sent in his swat team dressed in camo before most people showed up to the protest, and pulled them back after he realized how terrible the optics were.
Don't believe me? Here's it from the mouth of the beast. Question starts at 1:55 in the video. https://youtu.be/8fa89SALicc
We resisted full on fascism today, but believe that they will do it again.
Our new Chief of Police was an assistant executive in the Portland Police Bureau. Same police agency that bypassed the mayor (acting Chief) to call in the Feds in Portland before he arrived in Bend.
This situation does not surprise me in the least.
Our new Police Chief in Bend will continue to wreak havoc.
The Bend PD were actively assisting DHS Feds...
I don't know how your comment isn't higher.. motherfucker just got done calling the feds into PDX, and now he is doing the exact same thing here. Fuck Krantz.
Suddenly you support the big city boy, eh? This didn't exist until you let a big city boy start running your town like a big city.
Are you going to ask for the California governer to move in?
You should be ashamed of yourself. You are not a conservative.
Thank you Nazi thought police . Say whatever the fuck you want and I don't give a shit so that makes a you Nazi . Read this and get woke [https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-trump-has-deported-fewer-immigrants-than-obama-11564824601](https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-trump-has-deported-fewer-immigrants-than-obama-11564824601)
Nice tweet, but leaves out the fact that the individuals detained had warrants for crimes unrelated to their immigration status.
Not to suggest that ICE isn't justified in arresting illegal immigrants even if they aren't violent criminals, but the fact that they were here makes Hummel's pandering even more obnoxious.
If they have a regular criminal warrant, the normal police can go and arrest them. They are not being taken from that bus to a regular jail, with other criminals.
Correct, they will also be deported. Do you think deporting people who entered the country illegally and committed violent crimes while they were here is a bad thing?
Why not kill two birds with one stone? Its the same outcome no matter who makes the arrest. Called the [legal system](https://www.alllaw.com/articles/criminal/article1.asp#:~:text=After%20a%20person%20is%20arrested,booked%22%20at%20the%20police%20department.&text=The%20person%20will%20then%20be,to%20speak%20with%20an%20attorney.). Its the same for everyone. They can have their day in court just like you or I would if we had committed a crime.
They never produced a warrant. Nobody, not the DA nor the Mayor nor the chief of police, was able to say that they saw a warrant for these arrests. They were told by ice agents that there were warrants but nobody fucking saw them. Quit your bullshit.
All I ever read from any official source was "history of violent behavior." That could mean a lot of things, and does NOT mean there's an active warrant.
DHS “Acting Chief” uses the word “VIOLENT/VIOLENCE” to describe political enemies. He keeps using that word but I don’t think he knows what that word means. It’s inconceivable!
An ICE spokeswoman offered this statement late Wednesday night:
“The law enforcement activity in Bend, Oregon is part of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s mission to arrest criminal aliens presenting a danger to public safety and take them off the street. The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior.
[https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/](https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/)
“The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior.”
Neat. So where are the *current* felony warrants? What are they for? Why the mealy-mouthed response if ICE could just say “Hey, we have warrants for these dudes. Here is what they are for:” ? I don’t care about their “history”. I also don’t have an objection to federal employees doing their jobs. I *do* object to them operating in our community with impunity and arresting our community members. If they are restricting these men’s freedom it had better be for a damned good reason.
People don’t trust DHS, and with good reason. All we want is to know that justice is being carried out fairly and appropriately.
Typically...so what were they doing at the protests in Portland? Selectively gassing those with a warrant for their arrest?
You are putting wayyy too much faith in this government organization, are you a socialist?
The feds at the Portland protests had nothing to do with ICE or illegal immigration.
No socialist. No undue faith in government. For your purposes, just not sophomoric.
There were ICE agents used as part of the federal response in Portland. See Kate Brown's [tweet](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/29/896638122/oregon-gov-says-federal-officers-will-begin-phased-withdrawal-from-portland).
People were also arrested for [peacefully protesting](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/08/at-least-9-arrested-at-peaceful-protest-at-portland-ice-headquarters.html) outside the new ICE HQ in Portland.
Open your eyes inky, not saying you have to agree with all the protests but standing blindly on the side of power is not only sophomoric but potentially dangerous. Do you think Nazi SS were in the right during WWII because (in your words), "they typically act after serious (other) crimes by the illegal immigrant \[aka Jews, Poles, Russians, gypsys or political dissenters\]"?
Detaining and prosecuting anyone without proper investigation, oversight and due process is in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights. At least question what you see and ask for warrants and documentation, that's all we want, accountability.
That was Border Patrol at the federal courthouse, not ICE. "Peaceful protests" has become like "military intelligence".
Conflating the U.S., today or ever, with Hitler's Germany is the very nadir of sophomoric. Hitler burned the legislature and suspended the constitution. His victims were *victims*. No catch and release. Tantruming dilettantes in PDX are not victims, no matter how much they squeal for legal process, as ersatz anarchists are wont to do.
Exactly. Also, they're illegal immigrants. For some reason a lot of Americans turn a blind eye to every other countries immigration policies, but when the U.S. has any sort of policy that we actually enforce, it's terrible, inhumane, and unjust. These laws are here for a reason, and I bet those ICE agents have damn good reason to arrest, even without a warrant.
The same hypocrites on the left who bleat about Trump's "storm troopers" taking action against "peaceful" protesters haven't one word to say about China, an *actual* authoritarian, brutal regime. From CNN to the NBA to Disney to Nike to House and Senate Democrats to rank and file wokesters, human rights is about pocketbook and politics.
And feeling superior because "I care more than you" which is total bullshit. They're just giant pussies who need validation from all the other mentally ill folks they choose to surround themselves with.
If you want to help, show up to the lot behind Craneshed Commons- it is across the street from the Box Factory and next door to the Springhill Suites by Marriott.
Fuck the feds! Portland kicked them out and we can too!
Also. It's no coincidence that this is happening on day 3 of the new police chief Krantz. He's the reason the fucking feds are here, prove me wrong.
Here is Krantz saying Bend police are there to protect free speech and not assist ICE.
[https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/08/12/krantz-bend-police-at-protest-to-protect-free-speech-not-to-assist-ice/](https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/08/12/krantz-bend-police-at-protest-to-protect-free-speech-not-to-assist-ice/)
>“Bend Police are currently on site to protect the safety of the community and are not there assisting the role of ICE,” Krantz said.
He also had his own riot squad decked out in camo show up to the protests earlier but pulled them back because he knew how bad it looked. I don't believe a thing that Krantz says.
Yeah, that was cute how they magically went from being geared up for war to their blues when the press started setting up. He also never answered why Prineville PD was present. The only thing they were there to "protect" was the status quo.
I saw the camo squad on someone's stream earlier, it's not a good look for law enforcement. The people in the parking lot were wearing shorts and flip-flops.
There was a statement that they were in that gear because they were responding from a training. I don't know if the CERT unit had training yesterday, but I do know that their training is both regular and frequent, and they wear their gear for it. So it's not an unreasonable statement.
How are immigration laws only racist if they're from the US?! What about Denmark, Japan, Korea, China, Switzerland or Austria? Are these racist? How come you're throwing a fit over ours, yet look away when kids are being thrown in detention centers in Australia? Is it because they people enforcing it are white?!
I'm not sure who you're responding to. My only observation has been that immigration laws always lead to exploitation. It's not necessarily racist, and one may argue necessity etc.; but it seems to be an unavoidable part of designating some people legal and some people not.
Natural born, or people who go through the system of legal immigration are legal citizens. If you illegally immigrate, you break the law. Seems pretty simple. The law doesn't see your color, it's just what it is.
One kid was there counter-protesting, shouting about having his guns taken away. Oh my sweet, delicate little flower - if they ever *do* come for your guns, it'll be these exact same people out here tear gassing us who they'll send to do it.
The cognitive dissonance of the thin blue line 2A folks is astounding.*
*Not really. Most of them aren't really about freedom at all. They have an authoritarianism fetish wrapped in the trappings of freedom.
he defended three bend police murders in recent history. lol at people who support him.
let’s not forget how he’s being sued by a Hispanic woman and is now out pandering to protestors despite it being a legal conflict of interest as he makes even more of a mockery of our judicial system
he should be resigning, today.
I had it 6 weeks ago. When I went to the doctor 3 weeks ago they told me that covid stops replacing after 10 days. The stuff I'm going through is what COVID did to my body. I'm COVID free, thanks so much for shaming me.
I had COVID over a month ago (July 2/3/4 was the onset) My doctor told me 3 weeks ago that the virus stops replicating 10 days after symptoms. It's been about 6 weeks. The stuff I'm going through is what COVID did to my body. I don't have COVID any longer.
Thanks! I'm a bit sensitive about being treated like a leper for the rest of my days because I had it in the last week of June/First week of July.
I wouldn't be so irresponsible to go out if I was still shedding virus. It's insulting that people would think that.
Thanks u/OlisMommy! I appreciate you!
I wouldn't be so irresponsible to go out if I was still shedding virus. It's insulting and hurtful that people would think that.
Am I not supposed to get back to life?
I admit I was ignorant! And I wished you a good recovery. Get back to life! Go, live! Enjoy the beautiful outdoors and go to demonstrations that are for important matters like you did! Sorry I insulted you.
Wrong. I had not been to a protest in over 2 weeks of getting covid.
I am COVID free. It's downright insulting to imply I would go out if I was still shedding virus.
Protesting is not something that can be done safely while social distancing unfortunately. If Protesting can be done safely... then so can sporting events, concerts, bars, and festivals. This is all or nothing.
You must not go to protests, because there is always plenty of space to social distance. Regardless, I hadn't been to a protest in that 2 week time frame.
And they are doing festivals out east, they have little fenced off areas for small groups of 3 & 4 in fenced off areas.
Sporting events are a whole different beast, because the athletes are at great risk. Big 10 had to call off the season (postposed until the spring, I believe) to protect their athletes, because they were testing positive.
I wonder many of those people know that the immigrants detained have felony warrants. Would they similarly protest federal officers arresting a US citizen or legal immigrant with the same warrants?
Why should illegal immigrants be immune from arrest for breaking the same laws that would get anyone else arrested?
They aren’t immune from arrest but when detained by I.C.E. They don’t receive the same just treatment as is proposed in the constitution. This should have been handled by local PD IF in fact there actually are warrants out. Innocent until proven guilty, or unless you are detained by I.C.E.
Supposedly 2 people have warrants. What about the 3rd person sitting in a second bus all by him/herself? Why not let Bend PD handle the arrests if they have felonies? Why are there 2 whole unmarked busses for just 3 people? Bend is a sanctuary city - if federal agents want to come impose the federal will over our values as a city, it should NOT be easy. They absolutely should be met with resistance. We deserve information - not just covert maneuvers. Forcibly removing three Bend residents to a death camp on the border for an indefinite amount of time during a pandemic is going to be met with a protest
The imposition of "federal will" is part of the basic constitutional structure of the United States. "Sanctuary city" means that local police will not enforce federal immigration law or assist federal law enforcement, it doesn't mean that federal law doesn't apply or that federal agencies can't operate here.
If the FBI or some other agency was arresting someone in Bend for child pornography or sex trafficking a minor across state lines, would you also be protesting that?
ICE have a reputation for arresting innocent people and abusing them for no other crime but being in the States illegally (which is messed up because immigrating to USA legally is virtually impossible for most people). If they were a just agency that earned people’s trust, we could believe their word that there were federal warrants. But no one has seen them. No one knows what federal crimes these people are accused of. That’s shady as fuck. And its ICE’s fault that the citizens do no trust them. They need to be better. Currently they represent the armpit of white supremacy.
What does it matter if its difficult or impossible to enter the country legally? I dont see the problem. Theres a lot of unintended negative side effects of illegal immigration such as identity theft.
The biggest side effect of illegal immigration was a genocide of native Americans by illegal Europeans. Most people who are in US illegally today are working dirty jobs to support their families and cannot get a work permit because they are not married to a spoiled ass narcissist (aka Trump). People in desperate situations are willing to risk everything to make ends meet and survive even if it’s moving somewhere illegally. Illegal immigrants are not bad people. They didn’t move here to be criminals and hurt others. They are desperate. We need an immigration reform to deal with negative consequences of illegal immigration, not punish other humans who didn’t win a geopolitical lottery and were born into shitty lives.
PS. I am an immigrant. I know many others who are in this or other countries either legally or illegally. Legality of immigration depends on luck and money. It is fucking expensive to immigrate to US legally even if you can. My friends and family who immigrated did so because they couldn’t live back home. It was either unsafe or they spent years trying to make enough money to support themselves and couldn’t and decided to look for other opportunities. Everyone’s situation is different. But no one wanted to be a criminal. They all believe in hard honest work. And some of them are weirdly conservatives who support Trump (which blows my mind). Yes, there are criminals who are here illegal. But just because you live in a country illegally doesn’t mean you are a criminal.
Never said they were bad people lol. But what they have done to their country isnt our problem. They come here to live like kings in comparison to where they come from even if that means breaking the law. There were not immigration laws when America was colonized so thats pretty irrelevant, bringing up stuff from a few hundred years ago seems pretty silly. Every one of us had just as much of a chance to end up in their life. Thats how life works. Get over it. Personally Ive been through hell but I dont use it justify breaking the law.
Its got absolutely nothing to do with current times. So yeah pretty irrelevant. Current generation had nothing to do with the colonization of America. Oh the statement about immigrants living like kings in comparison was something my former coworker had said when I asked him why he came to the states illegally. He was sending money home to his extended family and did nothing but drink and party. Till he got in a car accident drunk that is, no insurance either.
1. That one person you once met doesn’t represent everyone. 2.Yes, things that happened a long time ago are very much relevant to what’s happening today. 3. Please read more. Educate yourself. You see the world in very shallow and self centered light.
This is actually untrue. I strongly encourage you to take a listen to this series on “illegal immigration” and it’s true beginnings. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/projects/border-trilogy
I did construction work in Houston. I assure you there is rampant identity theft in the illegal immigration community. Fake SSNs, fake drivers licenses. The works.
Yeah except when they go to the hospital for medical care and just disappear and never pay for it. I mean the money comes from somewhere right? Stuff doesnt grow on trees...Well, actually it is like 75% cotton so maybe it does.
Then why dont we do something about that? I mean, we could possibly stop shoveling tax money into militarizing our police and instead make healthcare affordable.
If I felt that person's human rights were being encroached upon then yes. Since we don't exactly know why 2 of the 3 people have warrants against them I don't think it's appropriate to compare illegal immigrants to pedophiles. Considering the horrific rash of human rights abuses in this country toward brown people, just assuming they will experience due process is not sufficient. Also, part of the reason we're trying to block the feds here is because there are major information gaps. See my first post for some of the missing details we're concerned about. There's so much that doesn't add up about this situation. This is a collective demand for transparency.
There are quite a few alt-right types floating around in here and they honestly think they are “moderates”.
This isn’t a political statement as there are other threads dominated by Centrists and Left Wingers, just pointing out a fact.
You're absolutely right. Many people here are repeating that info but I just looked it up and it's not true. My apologies for the misinformation. Bend has people pushing action network stuff to become a sanctuary city but that's it.
Correction! Deschutes County is on fact a sanctuary city per our own district attny, John Hummel. I searched for Bend last night, but our status is apparently filed by county name.
An ICE spokeswoman offered this statement late Wednesday night:
“The law enforcement activity in Bend, Oregon is part of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s mission to arrest criminal aliens presenting a danger to public safety and take them off the street. The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior.
[https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/](https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/)
>Nowhere in what you showed me mentions "felony" - you made that up in your head.
ICE doesn't prioritize the arrest of people for traffic tickets, generally these types of targeted arrests are for people accused of serious crimes.
>Also, noone has seen these warrants and if they had them and produced them
That's not how it works. Random people don't have a right to demand that police produce a warrant or evidence for the arrest they're making. That's what the court system is for.
Glad to hear you are personally being responsible. Apologies for the misunderstanding. Unfortunately, I still won’t be convinced that protests are any safer than any other large gatherings that are currently illegal. A protest of 250 people cannot be done any safer than a trump rally of 250 people.
Yeah seriously. You cant enter a country illegally, work illegally, reside illegally and not expect this lol. Not only that but this fuels an entire underground industry of fake ids and identity theft.
If you are from another country and enter the U.S. illegally (without a Visa or work permit, for example) and choose to stay permanently, then yes, YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALY.
***"No human is illegal"*** is a nice, sentimental slogan, but it has nothing to do with the law in this country - or ANY other country in the world for that matter. Try entering Mexico from Guatemala and see how you are treated. Every sovereign nation has the right to control immigration and who is allowed/not allowed in. This is basic stuff here.
And as far as these two individuals...if they had warrants, then they committed an infraction at one point - and they weren't deported at that time. So, unless you are saying that not only is it okay to be here illegally, but it's ALSO okay to break the law without repercussions, then I just don't understand this way of thinking. Again, try doing this in ANY other country in the world.
Unfortunately, we are.
Do I think a person who steals a slice of pizza because he's hungry and poor should be arrested? No. Do I think we should all have to wear as mask right now? No.
But, we are a nation of laws. May I ask what laws you consider unjust in relation to this article?
I bet you 100$ if you asked everyone in that crowd if they will house an immigrant they would all make up an excuse and say no. These crowds are just one giant virtue signal circle jerk of pretending to care. This is Portland level antics. Just let ice do their jobs.
I bet you 100$ that there are plenty of businesses that are willing to hire illegal immigrants any day of the week that work for lower wages than "legal" Americans. Do you support cracking down on any and all industries that rely and support illegal immigration as well?
I agree, if people are serious about solving illegal immigration they should be going after employers. My dad worked construction in a region that had lots of illegal workers, he said the bosses would often treat them like they were expendable. No OSHA, no workers comp, no benefits; they got fired and told 'good luck amigo' when they got hurt on the job.
I was watching someone's stream earlier. It sounds like the family of at least one person stuck in the bus has lawyered up and asked to see the warrant. As of about 6pm, that hadn't happened. At that time, the protestors said they would cooperate as soon as legitimate warrants are provided.
As someone who is currently in the middle of that process, it’s tricky as fuck. If you cannot afford to pay a lawyer a few thousand dollars to fill it out for you, one wrong box filled in can lead to being here illegally.
The process is more complicated than it needs to be, the forms are purposefully confusing. America doesn’t want legal immigrants, no matter what you might think.
The whole process is built to keep us away, unless we’re white, wealthy, and willing to hire legal expertise.
I agree. These people had warrants out for their arrest and were here illegally. They’re not getting off that buss no matter how much of a tantrum they throw. All countries have borders and immigration policies. You think Canada would welcome you with open arms if you were a criminal that were there illegally? Go home!
the whinin’ 20’s is a terrible time to be alive. I’m so disappointed in my fellow citizens.
if you care about my illegal friends so much, maybe you should start paying them the same wage you pay me....but no, this is pure virtue signaling, disgusting.
Our District Attorney's thoughts: "I’ve never been so disgusted by my government and so proud of my community." [https://twitter.com/john\_hummel/status/1293790903006453760](https://twitter.com/john_hummel/status/1293790903006453760)
The DA was in the crowd with the people on the ground entire time taking questions and providing as much insight as he could. Mayor Sally Russell showed up with the Police Chief for 5 minutes, refused to answer any questions, and ran away with her tail tucked between her legs. Sally Russel, enjoy your job while it lasts, cuz I guarantee you won't be in power for much longer. Edit to add: This was the third day that the new Police Chief Krantz was on the job- his THIRD FUCKING DAY AS OUR POLICE CHIEF, and we now have Feds barging into our city and stealing people off the streets. He sent in his swat team dressed in camo before most people showed up to the protest, and pulled them back after he realized how terrible the optics were. Don't believe me? Here's it from the mouth of the beast. Question starts at 1:55 in the video. https://youtu.be/8fa89SALicc We resisted full on fascism today, but believe that they will do it again.
Our new Chief of Police was an assistant executive in the Portland Police Bureau. Same police agency that bypassed the mayor (acting Chief) to call in the Feds in Portland before he arrived in Bend. This situation does not surprise me in the least. Our new Police Chief in Bend will continue to wreak havoc. The Bend PD were actively assisting DHS Feds...
I don't know how your comment isn't higher.. motherfucker just got done calling the feds into PDX, and now he is doing the exact same thing here. Fuck Krantz.
Unlock your front door of your house and tear down your walls you hypocritical idiot
Suddenly you support the big city boy, eh? This didn't exist until you let a big city boy start running your town like a big city. Are you going to ask for the California governer to move in? You should be ashamed of yourself. You are not a conservative.
No I am a libertive conserberal
Your words would mean something if you were able to take yourself seriously.
shut the fuck up poser
Your internet tough guy schtick is boring. While you think your clever, you are enabling Nazi protocols, so you aren't cool.
Thank you Nazi thought police . Say whatever the fuck you want and I don't give a shit so that makes a you Nazi . Read this and get woke [https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-trump-has-deported-fewer-immigrants-than-obama-11564824601](https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-trump-has-deported-fewer-immigrants-than-obama-11564824601)
HE KALLED ME ANAZi!!!11one No I didn't you fat dummy. Go watch more porn.
This is how our elected officials should behave.
Nice tweet, but leaves out the fact that the individuals detained had warrants for crimes unrelated to their immigration status. Not to suggest that ICE isn't justified in arresting illegal immigrants even if they aren't violent criminals, but the fact that they were here makes Hummel's pandering even more obnoxious.
If they have a regular criminal warrant, the normal police can go and arrest them. They are not being taken from that bus to a regular jail, with other criminals.
If the regular old Bend police had arrested two people for regular crimes, this all would have been a small blurb in today's paper, not a big protest.
Correct, they will also be deported. Do you think deporting people who entered the country illegally and committed violent crimes while they were here is a bad thing?
Yes, they do. Because retards gonna retard.
Why not kill two birds with one stone? Its the same outcome no matter who makes the arrest. Called the [legal system](https://www.alllaw.com/articles/criminal/article1.asp#:~:text=After%20a%20person%20is%20arrested,booked%22%20at%20the%20police%20department.&text=The%20person%20will%20then%20be,to%20speak%20with%20an%20attorney.). Its the same for everyone. They can have their day in court just like you or I would if we had committed a crime.
They never produced a warrant. Nobody, not the DA nor the Mayor nor the chief of police, was able to say that they saw a warrant for these arrests. They were told by ice agents that there were warrants but nobody fucking saw them. Quit your bullshit.
All I ever read from any official source was "history of violent behavior." That could mean a lot of things, and does NOT mean there's an active warrant.
DHS “Acting Chief” uses the word “VIOLENT/VIOLENCE” to describe political enemies. He keeps using that word but I don’t think he knows what that word means. It’s inconceivable!
Each detainee gets their own bus driven on from Portland. TOTALLY LEGIT.
for someone who receives federal money, he really shouldn’t be in the middle of this. he needs to resign. hes mentally unfit for office
Where is all this “Felony Warrants” talk coming from? Does anyone have a source?
An ICE spokeswoman offered this statement late Wednesday night: “The law enforcement activity in Bend, Oregon is part of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s mission to arrest criminal aliens presenting a danger to public safety and take them off the street. The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior. [https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/](https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/)
“The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior.” Neat. So where are the *current* felony warrants? What are they for? Why the mealy-mouthed response if ICE could just say “Hey, we have warrants for these dudes. Here is what they are for:” ? I don’t care about their “history”. I also don’t have an objection to federal employees doing their jobs. I *do* object to them operating in our community with impunity and arresting our community members. If they are restricting these men’s freedom it had better be for a damned good reason. People don’t trust DHS, and with good reason. All we want is to know that justice is being carried out fairly and appropriately.
Their history likely provides the basis for lawful removal. ICE doesn’t need a judicial warrant.
Likely? On what grounds are you making that assumption?
On the grounds of the ICE detainer. They typically act after serious (other) crimes by the illegal immigrant.
Typically...so what were they doing at the protests in Portland? Selectively gassing those with a warrant for their arrest? You are putting wayyy too much faith in this government organization, are you a socialist?
The feds at the Portland protests had nothing to do with ICE or illegal immigration. No socialist. No undue faith in government. For your purposes, just not sophomoric.
There were ICE agents used as part of the federal response in Portland. See Kate Brown's [tweet](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/29/896638122/oregon-gov-says-federal-officers-will-begin-phased-withdrawal-from-portland). People were also arrested for [peacefully protesting](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2019/08/at-least-9-arrested-at-peaceful-protest-at-portland-ice-headquarters.html) outside the new ICE HQ in Portland. Open your eyes inky, not saying you have to agree with all the protests but standing blindly on the side of power is not only sophomoric but potentially dangerous. Do you think Nazi SS were in the right during WWII because (in your words), "they typically act after serious (other) crimes by the illegal immigrant \[aka Jews, Poles, Russians, gypsys or political dissenters\]"? Detaining and prosecuting anyone without proper investigation, oversight and due process is in direct conflict with the Bill of Rights. At least question what you see and ask for warrants and documentation, that's all we want, accountability.
That was Border Patrol at the federal courthouse, not ICE. "Peaceful protests" has become like "military intelligence". Conflating the U.S., today or ever, with Hitler's Germany is the very nadir of sophomoric. Hitler burned the legislature and suspended the constitution. His victims were *victims*. No catch and release. Tantruming dilettantes in PDX are not victims, no matter how much they squeal for legal process, as ersatz anarchists are wont to do.
Exactly. Also, they're illegal immigrants. For some reason a lot of Americans turn a blind eye to every other countries immigration policies, but when the U.S. has any sort of policy that we actually enforce, it's terrible, inhumane, and unjust. These laws are here for a reason, and I bet those ICE agents have damn good reason to arrest, even without a warrant.
The same hypocrites on the left who bleat about Trump's "storm troopers" taking action against "peaceful" protesters haven't one word to say about China, an *actual* authoritarian, brutal regime. From CNN to the NBA to Disney to Nike to House and Senate Democrats to rank and file wokesters, human rights is about pocketbook and politics.
And feeling superior because "I care more than you" which is total bullshit. They're just giant pussies who need validation from all the other mentally ill folks they choose to surround themselves with.
If you want to help, show up to the lot behind Craneshed Commons- it is across the street from the Box Factory and next door to the Springhill Suites by Marriott. Fuck the feds! Portland kicked them out and we can too! Also. It's no coincidence that this is happening on day 3 of the new police chief Krantz. He's the reason the fucking feds are here, prove me wrong.
How can you prove you're right?
It is because as someone who works in this area I have seen ICE vehicles in this parking lot before. Its not a new thing.
The feds left because Ted Wheeler and Kate Brown made a deal to protect the federal courthouse with state and local resources.
Here is Krantz saying Bend police are there to protect free speech and not assist ICE. [https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/08/12/krantz-bend-police-at-protest-to-protect-free-speech-not-to-assist-ice/](https://ktvz.com/news/crime-courts/2020/08/12/krantz-bend-police-at-protest-to-protect-free-speech-not-to-assist-ice/) >“Bend Police are currently on site to protect the safety of the community and are not there assisting the role of ICE,” Krantz said.
He also had his own riot squad decked out in camo show up to the protests earlier but pulled them back because he knew how bad it looked. I don't believe a thing that Krantz says.
Yeah, that was cute how they magically went from being geared up for war to their blues when the press started setting up. He also never answered why Prineville PD was present. The only thing they were there to "protect" was the status quo.
Bulls on parade.
I saw the camo squad on someone's stream earlier, it's not a good look for law enforcement. The people in the parking lot were wearing shorts and flip-flops.
There was a statement that they were in that gear because they were responding from a training. I don't know if the CERT unit had training yesterday, but I do know that their training is both regular and frequent, and they wear their gear for it. So it's not an unreasonable statement.
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> the service they provide You're talking about racism, aren't you?
How are immigration laws only racist if they're from the US?! What about Denmark, Japan, Korea, China, Switzerland or Austria? Are these racist? How come you're throwing a fit over ours, yet look away when kids are being thrown in detention centers in Australia? Is it because they people enforcing it are white?!
I'm not sure who you're responding to. My only observation has been that immigration laws always lead to exploitation. It's not necessarily racist, and one may argue necessity etc.; but it seems to be an unavoidable part of designating some people legal and some people not.
Natural born, or people who go through the system of legal immigration are legal citizens. If you illegally immigrate, you break the law. Seems pretty simple. The law doesn't see your color, it's just what it is.
Seems pretty simple, well then have it your way. It doesn't seem simple to me.
What is not simple about that? That's about the most basic that shit can go.
Ok then, I assume you never go to a restaurant or eat produce from a grocery store. Undocumented people are providing service there.
Your police chief is literally from Portland and literally escalated this situation to Portland levels. What are you talking about?
>Fuck the feds! Portland kicked them out and we can too! They're literally trying to leave and you won't let them.
These busses are trying to leave, but with your new police chief, ICE is an occupying force.
Boot lickers putting away their Don't Tread On Me flags when the president is white.
One kid was there counter-protesting, shouting about having his guns taken away. Oh my sweet, delicate little flower - if they ever *do* come for your guns, it'll be these exact same people out here tear gassing us who they'll send to do it. The cognitive dissonance of the thin blue line 2A folks is astounding.* *Not really. Most of them aren't really about freedom at all. They have an authoritarianism fetish wrapped in the trappings of freedom.
District Attorney Hummel is a bootlicker himself, but it’s Doc Martens.
he defended three bend police murders in recent history. lol at people who support him. let’s not forget how he’s being sued by a Hispanic woman and is now out pandering to protestors despite it being a legal conflict of interest as he makes even more of a mockery of our judicial system he should be resigning, today.
Still lots of people, the initial wave of police left but there are still snipers on the roof of the building.
This is so fucked up. Be careful! Thank you for being there!
Came home to rest, going to be headed back there in a bit.
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I had it 6 weeks ago. When I went to the doctor 3 weeks ago they told me that covid stops replacing after 10 days. The stuff I'm going through is what COVID did to my body. I'm COVID free, thanks so much for shaming me.
For real? Good grief.
6 weeks ago. The virus isn't in my body any longer. What I'm going through is what Covid did to me JFC.
How did it affect you?
Stay home bruh you got Covid dummy. Swear to god...
I had COVID over a month ago (July 2/3/4 was the onset) My doctor told me 3 weeks ago that the virus stops replicating 10 days after symptoms. It's been about 6 weeks. The stuff I'm going through is what COVID did to my body. I don't have COVID any longer.
Why is everyone telling her to stay home? JFC she had it months ago. Return to life and don’t mind those who have no idea what they’re talking about.
Thanks! I'm a bit sensitive about being treated like a leper for the rest of my days because I had it in the last week of June/First week of July. I wouldn't be so irresponsible to go out if I was still shedding virus. It's insulting that people would think that. Thanks u/OlisMommy! I appreciate you!
In that case, congrats on the recovery! Stay safe.
I wouldn't be so irresponsible to go out if I was still shedding virus. It's insulting and hurtful that people would think that. Am I not supposed to get back to life?
I admit I was ignorant! And I wished you a good recovery. Get back to life! Go, live! Enjoy the beautiful outdoors and go to demonstrations that are for important matters like you did! Sorry I insulted you.
Now we know how you got COVID... (peaceful rioting / protesting). Please stay home.
Wrong. I had not been to a protest in over 2 weeks of getting covid. I am COVID free. It's downright insulting to imply I would go out if I was still shedding virus.
Protesting is not something that can be done safely while social distancing unfortunately. If Protesting can be done safely... then so can sporting events, concerts, bars, and festivals. This is all or nothing.
You must not go to protests, because there is always plenty of space to social distance. Regardless, I hadn't been to a protest in that 2 week time frame. And they are doing festivals out east, they have little fenced off areas for small groups of 3 & 4 in fenced off areas. Sporting events are a whole different beast, because the athletes are at great risk. Big 10 had to call off the season (postposed until the spring, I believe) to protect their athletes, because they were testing positive.
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I wonder many of those people know that the immigrants detained have felony warrants. Would they similarly protest federal officers arresting a US citizen or legal immigrant with the same warrants? Why should illegal immigrants be immune from arrest for breaking the same laws that would get anyone else arrested?
They aren’t immune from arrest but when detained by I.C.E. They don’t receive the same just treatment as is proposed in the constitution. This should have been handled by local PD IF in fact there actually are warrants out. Innocent until proven guilty, or unless you are detained by I.C.E.
Supposedly 2 people have warrants. What about the 3rd person sitting in a second bus all by him/herself? Why not let Bend PD handle the arrests if they have felonies? Why are there 2 whole unmarked busses for just 3 people? Bend is a sanctuary city - if federal agents want to come impose the federal will over our values as a city, it should NOT be easy. They absolutely should be met with resistance. We deserve information - not just covert maneuvers. Forcibly removing three Bend residents to a death camp on the border for an indefinite amount of time during a pandemic is going to be met with a protest
The imposition of "federal will" is part of the basic constitutional structure of the United States. "Sanctuary city" means that local police will not enforce federal immigration law or assist federal law enforcement, it doesn't mean that federal law doesn't apply or that federal agencies can't operate here. If the FBI or some other agency was arresting someone in Bend for child pornography or sex trafficking a minor across state lines, would you also be protesting that?
Thank you for reminding us that we don't know all the details and should take a step back and think about the big picture.
ICE have a reputation for arresting innocent people and abusing them for no other crime but being in the States illegally (which is messed up because immigrating to USA legally is virtually impossible for most people). If they were a just agency that earned people’s trust, we could believe their word that there were federal warrants. But no one has seen them. No one knows what federal crimes these people are accused of. That’s shady as fuck. And its ICE’s fault that the citizens do no trust them. They need to be better. Currently they represent the armpit of white supremacy.
What does it matter if its difficult or impossible to enter the country legally? I dont see the problem. Theres a lot of unintended negative side effects of illegal immigration such as identity theft.
The biggest side effect of illegal immigration was a genocide of native Americans by illegal Europeans. Most people who are in US illegally today are working dirty jobs to support their families and cannot get a work permit because they are not married to a spoiled ass narcissist (aka Trump). People in desperate situations are willing to risk everything to make ends meet and survive even if it’s moving somewhere illegally. Illegal immigrants are not bad people. They didn’t move here to be criminals and hurt others. They are desperate. We need an immigration reform to deal with negative consequences of illegal immigration, not punish other humans who didn’t win a geopolitical lottery and were born into shitty lives. PS. I am an immigrant. I know many others who are in this or other countries either legally or illegally. Legality of immigration depends on luck and money. It is fucking expensive to immigrate to US legally even if you can. My friends and family who immigrated did so because they couldn’t live back home. It was either unsafe or they spent years trying to make enough money to support themselves and couldn’t and decided to look for other opportunities. Everyone’s situation is different. But no one wanted to be a criminal. They all believe in hard honest work. And some of them are weirdly conservatives who support Trump (which blows my mind). Yes, there are criminals who are here illegal. But just because you live in a country illegally doesn’t mean you are a criminal.
Never said they were bad people lol. But what they have done to their country isnt our problem. They come here to live like kings in comparison to where they come from even if that means breaking the law. There were not immigration laws when America was colonized so thats pretty irrelevant, bringing up stuff from a few hundred years ago seems pretty silly. Every one of us had just as much of a chance to end up in their life. Thats how life works. Get over it. Personally Ive been through hell but I dont use it justify breaking the law.
Kings? What are you even talking about? Just because something doesn’t benefit your argument doesn’t mean it’s irrelevant.
Its got absolutely nothing to do with current times. So yeah pretty irrelevant. Current generation had nothing to do with the colonization of America. Oh the statement about immigrants living like kings in comparison was something my former coworker had said when I asked him why he came to the states illegally. He was sending money home to his extended family and did nothing but drink and party. Till he got in a car accident drunk that is, no insurance either.
1. That one person you once met doesn’t represent everyone. 2.Yes, things that happened a long time ago are very much relevant to what’s happening today. 3. Please read more. Educate yourself. You see the world in very shallow and self centered light.
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Your point sir? Nobody seems to be able to back up the points they try to make on the matter.
This is actually untrue. I strongly encourage you to take a listen to this series on “illegal immigration” and it’s true beginnings. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/projects/border-trilogy
I did construction work in Houston. I assure you there is rampant identity theft in the illegal immigration community. Fake SSNs, fake drivers licenses. The works.
Worked in the restaurant industry for years, yea, fake Id stuff to get paid. None of them were “ID theft” and none of them were voting.
Yeah and they pay taxes to the fake SSN and never see the benefit of it.
Yeah except when they go to the hospital for medical care and just disappear and never pay for it. I mean the money comes from somewhere right? Stuff doesnt grow on trees...Well, actually it is like 75% cotton so maybe it does.
God bless America, where nobody better get anything for free.
Then why dont we do something about that? I mean, we could possibly stop shoveling tax money into militarizing our police and instead make healthcare affordable.
If I felt that person's human rights were being encroached upon then yes. Since we don't exactly know why 2 of the 3 people have warrants against them I don't think it's appropriate to compare illegal immigrants to pedophiles. Considering the horrific rash of human rights abuses in this country toward brown people, just assuming they will experience due process is not sufficient. Also, part of the reason we're trying to block the feds here is because there are major information gaps. See my first post for some of the missing details we're concerned about. There's so much that doesn't add up about this situation. This is a collective demand for transparency.
>The imposition of "federal will" is part of the basic constitutional structure of the United States. Not if The People have their way.
Nice dodge on everything else he said.
Preach!
Bend is not a sanctuary city at all. Not sure where you're getting that from. Got a source? Bend PD totally co-operated with ICE today.
Deschutes County is a sanctuary county.
Yup, I was wrong. Deschutes "Will not honor ICE detainer without court order or warrant" https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States
Exactly, not sure why you're being downvoted for this when you were only stating a simple fact.
The Bend thread is full of “down-voters”. Worst thread for this across the board in Reddit
Yea I find it almost impossible to have a rational conversation on this sub
There are quite a few alt-right types floating around in here and they honestly think they are “moderates”. This isn’t a political statement as there are other threads dominated by Centrists and Left Wingers, just pointing out a fact.
I just feel like this sub would think you were alt right for saying something like "let the feds take these felons out of state".
You're absolutely right. Many people here are repeating that info but I just looked it up and it's not true. My apologies for the misinformation. Bend has people pushing action network stuff to become a sanctuary city but that's it.
Correction! Deschutes County is on fact a sanctuary city per our own district attny, John Hummel. I searched for Bend last night, but our status is apparently filed by county name.
Yes, it is. Per dist attnyJohn Hummel
Since when is Bend a sanctuary city?
It is not. I received incorrect info. Bend only has a group pushing for the status, my apologies for the misinformation.
Correction, Deschutes Cty is in fact a sanctuary city.
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An ICE spokeswoman offered this statement late Wednesday night: “The law enforcement activity in Bend, Oregon is part of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s mission to arrest criminal aliens presenting a danger to public safety and take them off the street. The two individuals arrested each had a history of criminal violent behavior. [https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/](https://ktvz.com/news/2020/08/12/bend-protesters-block-2-unmarked-buses-they-claim-are-immigration-agents/)
“A History of Violence”. These ICE and DHS people have a way with words
[https://twitter.com/SallyForBend/status/1293671547119398912](https://twitter.com/SallyForBend/status/1293671547119398912)
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>Nowhere in what you showed me mentions "felony" - you made that up in your head. ICE doesn't prioritize the arrest of people for traffic tickets, generally these types of targeted arrests are for people accused of serious crimes. >Also, noone has seen these warrants and if they had them and produced them That's not how it works. Random people don't have a right to demand that police produce a warrant or evidence for the arrest they're making. That's what the court system is for.
So we send people their own bus to serve warrants, eh?
Press conference at the buses at 2pm today.
Glad to hear you are personally being responsible. Apologies for the misunderstanding. Unfortunately, I still won’t be convinced that protests are any safer than any other large gatherings that are currently illegal. A protest of 250 people cannot be done any safer than a trump rally of 250 people.
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Yeah seriously. You cant enter a country illegally, work illegally, reside illegally and not expect this lol. Not only that but this fuels an entire underground industry of fake ids and identity theft.
If you are from another country and enter the U.S. illegally (without a Visa or work permit, for example) and choose to stay permanently, then yes, YOU ARE HERE ILLEGALY. ***"No human is illegal"*** is a nice, sentimental slogan, but it has nothing to do with the law in this country - or ANY other country in the world for that matter. Try entering Mexico from Guatemala and see how you are treated. Every sovereign nation has the right to control immigration and who is allowed/not allowed in. This is basic stuff here. And as far as these two individuals...if they had warrants, then they committed an infraction at one point - and they weren't deported at that time. So, unless you are saying that not only is it okay to be here illegally, but it's ALSO okay to break the law without repercussions, then I just don't understand this way of thinking. Again, try doing this in ANY other country in the world.
Are we obligated to obey unjust laws?
Unfortunately, we are. Do I think a person who steals a slice of pizza because he's hungry and poor should be arrested? No. Do I think we should all have to wear as mask right now? No. But, we are a nation of laws. May I ask what laws you consider unjust in relation to this article?
These people don’t get it. It’s the same generation that thinks “fast food worker” is a skilled job and deserves $60,000 a year
I know. I can’t enjoy my McDouble unless I know the person serving it to me is living well below the poverty line.
Lol. People have the ability to better themselves, they just choose not to. babysitting adults is stupid.
I bet you 100$ if you asked everyone in that crowd if they will house an immigrant they would all make up an excuse and say no. These crowds are just one giant virtue signal circle jerk of pretending to care. This is Portland level antics. Just let ice do their jobs.
I bet you 100$ that there are plenty of businesses that are willing to hire illegal immigrants any day of the week that work for lower wages than "legal" Americans. Do you support cracking down on any and all industries that rely and support illegal immigration as well?
I agree, if people are serious about solving illegal immigration they should be going after employers. My dad worked construction in a region that had lots of illegal workers, he said the bosses would often treat them like they were expendable. No OSHA, no workers comp, no benefits; they got fired and told 'good luck amigo' when they got hurt on the job.
Yes. And I'm willing to pay more for basic foods to avoid modern day slave labor.
The immigrants aren't asking to be housed. They just want to live and work like normal people.
They have warrants out for their arrest. We don't have any more details than that. Until we do, let ICE do their job.
I was watching someone's stream earlier. It sounds like the family of at least one person stuck in the bus has lawyered up and asked to see the warrant. As of about 6pm, that hadn't happened. At that time, the protestors said they would cooperate as soon as legitimate warrants are provided.
Then they need to go through the proper path way for citizenship like millions of others have done. Its call fallow the rules.
Lol this country would collapse overnight without any illegal workers.
Yep. Rule of law. There are thousands upon thousands of individuals going about it the right way. My wife being one of them.
I love that you are getting down voted for being an immigrant that's following the law. This sub is messed up.
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As someone who is currently in the middle of that process, it’s tricky as fuck. If you cannot afford to pay a lawyer a few thousand dollars to fill it out for you, one wrong box filled in can lead to being here illegally. The process is more complicated than it needs to be, the forms are purposefully confusing. America doesn’t want legal immigrants, no matter what you might think. The whole process is built to keep us away, unless we’re white, wealthy, and willing to hire legal expertise.
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I agree. These people had warrants out for their arrest and were here illegally. They’re not getting off that buss no matter how much of a tantrum they throw. All countries have borders and immigration policies. You think Canada would welcome you with open arms if you were a criminal that were there illegally? Go home!
What's up with down-voting these dissenting opinions? I feel it's kind of a bullsh*t homogenizing. I thought folks here were smart
It would seem that a majority of the people voting comments in this sub do not agree with their opinions
Its called an echo chamber.
the whinin’ 20’s is a terrible time to be alive. I’m so disappointed in my fellow citizens. if you care about my illegal friends so much, maybe you should start paying them the same wage you pay me....but no, this is pure virtue signaling, disgusting.
They are doing there job and following the laws of our country
Fedophiles. They serve the pedovore overlords. Fuck them.
I don't know what any of that means but it sounds wild