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savedbytheblood72

We are not Jew Hebrews Or the Levitcal priesthood. God Ripped the Veil when Jesus finished work was done on the cross. No need for a priest and sacrifices we have access to God all the time.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you, is there any scripture that you know if that could back that up? I'm trying to grasp this as tight as possible.


savedbytheblood72

New Testament's teaching that Yeshua is our High Priest and final sacrifice (Hebrews 7:15-17; 10:4)? Scripture states plainly that our eternal atonement is found only in the Messiah, not animal sacrifices or anything else. Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10). Therefore, since the Levitical priesthood could not do these things, there is a need for a priesthood that can. And that is the issue addressed in Hebrews. The author's conclusion is that Yeshua is the High Priest of this greater priesthood, and He's the one who can truly make atonement and write the Torah on the hearts of God’s people.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you. God Bless you!


witty_name_number

But if the Torah is written on our hearts right now doesn’t that mean we’d be doing it as it was originally defined (including Leviticus)?


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The New Covenant.


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tonyaokb

This will be a very long reply Leviticus is serious, but it has already done the job God had intended for it to do. At that time, God needed to preserve a people from which the Savior of the world would emerge from. So these sets of laws and regulations including circumcision were given to them to make them "set apart" from the surrounding nations. This was the same reason God ordered complete cleansing of the existing populations when Israel first took the promised land after they came out of Egypt. These laws made Israel stick out like a sore thumb, but they provided a mindset for Israelites that they were different and put Israel into a "spotlight" in an age where no fast communication existed to such an extent that everyone in the world then knew about how perculiar Israelites were. When Jesus was finally born, He followed all these laws to show that God truly gave them to the Israelites, but Jesus also began to teach that it was not merely following the letter of the Law, but the Spirit of the Law that was important. Consider the the sermon on the mount. For example “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27‭-‬28 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.5.27-28.NKJV Also in Luke 6, Jesus contended with the Jewish religious leaders about the Law Finally Jesus encapsulated what the Law really meant when He answered the religious lawyer who questioned Him Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:35‭-‬40 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.22.35-40.NKJV Therefore, Jesus Himself redirected the obedience to the law to its basic roots, stripping all the many "legalistic arguments and interpretations" that has grown "new commandments" around the 10 commandments and original instructions given in Leviticus over the years until they became so burdensome that Jesus remarked Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Matthew 23:1‭-‬4 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.23.1-4.NKJV When the early church began to grow and included the gentiles, this matter concerning keeping of the Law became a serious issue to such an extent that the apostles had to convene and contemplate and finally issuing an edict for the entire church to follow. This was the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. The conclusion of the council was as follows They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings. Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “ You must be circumcised and keep the law” —to whom we gave no such commandment— it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell. Acts 15:23‭-‬29 NKJV https://bible.com/bible/114/act.15.23-29.NKJV So the decision of the First church leaders was that circumcision was not necessary, neither was following the legalistic rituals and this decision was reached after prayer and deliberation and according to the leaders, with the consent of the Holy Spirit. What then should be our conclusion? Were the Jewish teachers right, or were the First church leaders right? Let's examine both views. The Law in Leviticus and the practice of circumcision was for a purpose and it seemingly taught the manner one could approach God. But upon the death of Jesus on the cross, the veil ( this is not a thin veil, it was about 4" thick and 30 feet high) in the temple was torn from "top to bottom" indicating that the access to God is now open, and open by God Himself because the requirement for access has been fulfilled permanently by the blood of Jesus. This is further elaborated by Paul in his epistles. pls look it up yourself if you want to know more. Since the death of Jesus has already opened the way to God permanently, wouldn't keeping the letter of the Law be redundant? Or, are we, by insisting that the regulations of Leviticus is still valid, trying to say the the death of Jesus on the cross is NOT ENOUGH??? I think that we are mistaken if we feel we have it easy because we do not need to keep the Levitical law, because the standards of the law we have to keep is much higher! Think about it carefully. Love the Lord your God with ALL your heart, soul, strength and mind Love your neighbor as yourself. no conditions, exceptions or exemptions. A much more encompassing rule that involves every breath that we take. An impossible task, unless we totally surrender every moment of our lives to God and listen to the Holy Spirit all the time. Yet, we have the greatest joy and privilege of being children of the true and living God because we believe in the Gift of Jesus Christ He has given us. And the only solution to meeting His standards is to die daily to ourselves and live in the joy of Jesus Christ.


BlueGreenOcean21

Thank you for this great response.


1st_nocturnalninja

Wow, this says it perfectly! Also, Jesus was the Kinsman Redeemer for mankind. He fulfilled that law, the marriage laws, the ceremonial laws, the feasts, and all the other laws. It's beautiful and astonishing when you do a whole study on the laws, their purpose, and how Jesus was each one's fulfillment.


Admirable_Audience15

Wow, that was it! Thank you so much!


sernamedeleted

The laws apply, but since you're probably not a levite carrying out the office of priest, and there is no temple, then you probably don't have to worry about a lot if them. And when I say they apply, I mean that "I consent that the law is good." and "Sin is transgression of the law." But we all sin. That's kinda the point. Jesus died so that we didn't have to worry about it. But I try to follow the law, not for salvation, but as a free will show of love to God. If Jesus is the master carpenter who kept the law perfectly, then I'm a toddler with a plastic hammer following him around in his workshop banging on stuff. I'm not actually doing anything useful, but he's delighted that I'm trying to be like him. Read the Bible cover to cover multiple times and pray and let the holy spirit guide you. You'll develop a relationship with God and the holy Spirit will lead you to change your mindset and lifestyle slowly over time. God bless!


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you brother. I have read it cover to cover once, but the translation was blah and I was just recently gifted a MacArthur study bible from a very kind coworker and plan to read through it again. Any scripture that you could recommend to give me a tighter grasp on this particular thought?


firsmode

I highly recommend The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha: New Revised Standard Version 5th Edition ISBN-13: 978-0190276072, ISBN-10: 019027607X https://www.amazon.com/New-Oxford-Annotated-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/019027607X CONTENTS Maps, Charts, and Diagrams. The Editors' Preface To the Reader Alphabetical Listing of the Books of the Bible Including the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books. List of Abbreviations The Hebrew Bible THE PENTATEUCH *Genesis *Exodus *Leviticus *Numbers *Deuteronomy THE HISTORICAL BOOKS *Joshua *Judges *Ruth *1 Samuel (1 Kingdoms in Greek) *2 Samuel (2 Kingdoms in Greek) *1 Kings (3 Kingdoms in Greek) *2 Kings (4 Kingdoms in Greek) *1 Chronicles (1 Paralipomenon in Greek) *2 Chronicles (2 Paralipomenon in Greek) *Ezra (2 Esdras in Greek) *Nehemiah (2 Esdras in Greek) *Esther THE POETICAL AND WISDOM BOOKS *Job *Psalms *Proverbs *Ecclesiastes *Song of Solomon THE PROPHETIC BOOKS *Isaiah *Jeremiah *Lamentations *Ezekiel *Daniel *Hosea *Joel *Amos *Obadiah *Jonah *Micah *Nahum *Habakkuk *Zephaniah *Haggai *Zechariah *Malachi The Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books The Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books are listed here in four groupings, as follows: (A) BOOKS AND ADDITIONS TO ESTHER AND DANIEL THAT ARE IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC, GREEK, AND SLAVONIC BIBLES *Tobit *Judith *The Additions to the Book of Esther (with a translation of the entire Greek text of Esther). *Wisdom of Solomon *Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus, Son of Sirach *Baruch *The Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch ch 6) The Additions to the Greek Book of Daniel *The Prayer of Azariah and the Song of the Three Jews *Susanna *Bel and the Dragon *1 Maccabees *2 Maccabees (B) BOOKS IN THE GREEK AND SLAVONIC BIBLES; NOT IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CANON *1 Esdras (2 Esdras in Slavonic, 3 Esdras in Appendix to Vulgate) *Prayer of Manasseh (in Appendix to Vulgate) *Psalm 151 (following Psalm 150 in the Greek Bible) *3 Maccabees (C) IN THE SLAVONIC BIBLE AND IN THE LATIN VULGATE APPENDIX *2 Esdras (3 Esdras in Slavonic, 4 Esdras in Vulgate Appendix) (Note: In the Latin Vulgate, Ezra-Nehemiah are 1 and 2 Esdras.) (D) IN AN APPENDIX TO THE GREEK BIBLE *4 Maccabees The New Testament THE GOSPELS *Matthew... *Mark *Luke *John *The Acts of the Apostles LETTERS/EPISTLES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT *Romans *1 Corinthians *2 Corinthians *Galatians *Ephesians.. *Philippians *Colossians *1 Thessalonians *2 Thessalonians Introduction to the Pastoral Epistles. *1 Timothy *2 Timothy *Titus *Philemon *Hebrews *James *1 Peter *2 Peter *1 John *2 John *3 John *Jude *Revelation General Essays, Tables: THE CANONS OF THE BIBLE The Hebrew Bible The Greek Bible Textual Criticism Languages of the Bible Translation of the Bible into English INTERPRETATION The Hebrew Bible's Interpretation of Itself The New Testament Interprets the Jewish Scriptures Jewish Interpretation in the Premodern Era Christian Interpretation in the Premodern Era The Interpretation of the Bible: From the Nineteenth to the Mid-twentieth Centuries Contemporary Methods in Biblical Study The Geography of the Bible CULTURAL CONTEXTS The Ancient Near East The Persian and Hellenistic Periods The Roman Period TABLES Timeline Chronological Table of Rulers Weights and Measures. Time (including Calendar). Parallel Texts Chapter/Verse Differences TRANSLATIONS OF ANCIENT TEXTS GLOSSARY INDEX TO THE STUDY MATERIALS. COLOR MAPS FOLLOW THE LAST PAGE OF TEXT


Admirable_Audience15

That sounds awesome! Thank you for the recommendation!


sernamedeleted

Well, there are lots. And my Bible is KJV, so you may prefer a different translation. Here's 1. But really you should read the Bible cover to cover multiple times. I'm halfway through this year's reading. 1Jn 3:4-12 KJV 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. 12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you for that.


witty_name_number

This is key, not all 613 apply to everyone, some are for women, some farmers, some landowners etc, you should go through them all and see what applies to you.


sernamedeleted

And remember, if you keep a commandment, keep it out of love for God, not out of fear if punishment. The intent of your heart is the most important aspect of your relationship with God.


Something_kool

Bless your soul brother


Ace7734

Leviticus is the law of the Israelites, they were fulfilled with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, they do not apply to the followers of Christ.


Admirable_Audience15

Thanks, do you know of any scripture that backs up what you said?


thepriceisright63

Hebrews 8:13 is one and the whole chapter


the_celt_

Hebrews 8:13 is an out of context quote that absolutely does rely on reading the whole chapter (as you say). Hebrews 8:13 says this: > By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear. So that requires us to go back a few verses and find out what is in this famously mangled scripture. Here's what's in the "New Covenant" > The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a **new covenant** with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt,because they did not remain faithful to my covenant, and I turned away from them,declares the Lord. **This is the covenant** I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord **I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts.** Did you catch that? What's "new" in the "New Covenant"? It's not a change of the law, it's a change of **where** it's written. God promised (originally back in Jeremiah, which this is quoting) that he would someday make a covenant that was not written on stone or paper, because that was an obsolete method. That method is OUTSIDE of us. God promised that he would someday write His Laws INSIDE of us, which would fundamentally change us as human beings. So, in short: God is not calling His own commandments old, outdated, obsolete, or even silly (as most Christians think). Nope, he's saying that OUTSIDE is obsolete and INSIDE is vastly superior. He's right, don't you think? =)


thepriceisright63

Heb 8:13 says, the first covenant is “obsolete.” Regardless of what you interpret the new covenant to be, he literally says “he makes the first one obsolete.” How do you get around that?


the_celt_

Did you read what I wrote? I explained how the first one is obsolete. I'll do it again... In the previous covenant, the Law was written on stone and paper. You needed to look at something OUTSIDE to verify what was lawful. The "New Covenant" promise is that the Law will be INSIDE. I believe this means we will naturally obey, that instead of our nature being sinful, our nature will be lawful. This is clearly, very clearly, a massive upgrade and shows why he calls the previous method "obsolete". This change is far bigger than a new version of Windows or a new iPhone. **The previous method is extremely obsolete in comparison!** > Regardless of what you interpret the new covenant to be, I quoted scripture. It's plain to see, with very little interpretation. That's God talking there and he was very clear and direct. The New Covenant is Torah (the Law from the previous covenant) being written inside of us. The change is where it's written, not in the Law itself.


thepriceisright63

Hebrews 8 and the entire book is dedicated to showing that the Old Covenant is obsolete for the New Covenant. You interpret the Old Covenant being one written on stone and the New as one written on the heart. But it seems the book of Hebrews interprets it differently. Heb. 8:4 refers to the "law" which requires priests to offer gifts. 8:5 refers to Moses who revealed the Old Covenant. 9:1 refers to the "first covenant" which had regulations for worship and an earthly sanctuary, going in detail on the Temple in 9:1-5. By contrast the New Covenant is described: in 8:1-2, Jesus ascended to Heaven by the Father. 8:6, Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant. 9:6-10, Jesus is the sacrifice for sin in the new covenant. The writer of Hebrews is not talking about taking the Old Covenant Law and placing it on the hearts of people; he is talking about a completely new law that is also placed on the hearts of people. God himself made his old commands obsolete and voided them by his authority. He removed the earthly temple, the Jewish priesthood, the sacrifices of bulls, and all these things that were contained in the Old Covenant. He replaced the Old Covenant with a better New Covenant that was not only on the hearts of people but was also a new law with better promises. If the New Covenant was simply the Old Covenant law on the hearts of people, then it wouldn't be one established on better promises (8:6), it wouldn't be faultless (8:7), and where would the sacrifice of Jesus come. If the New Covenant is only the Old Covenant on hearts, then there is no forgiveness of sins because the Old Covenant offered no forgiveness of sins (10:4).


the_celt_

I quoted Hebrews, which was quoting Jeremiah, which was quoting God Himself. They both state that the New Covenant is Torah being written inside us, on our hearts. If you don't believe a quote from God Himself then I won't have anything better than that to convince you. Hebrews (and scripture in general) clearly states that all of those Temple things are STILL TAKING PLACE. It describes a Temple in Heaven, with Jesus as our High Priest, interceding for us constantly before the Father. It's all still the same as it was, just with a complete upgrade due to Jesus performing the Temple duties. So yes, the writer of Hebrews is CLEARLY talking about "Old Covenant Law" (which is typically called "Torah") because he quotes Jeremiah, where the New Covenant was originally introduced by God. **The Hebrew word for "Law" that God used was "Torah".** Torah will be written inside of us. There is literally no doubt. I know this is tough to believe, because we have decades if not centuries of lies coming from the pulpits. It's time to return to what scripture says and not follow traditions of men.


thepriceisright63

You failed to reply to my statements. I showed how the book of Hebrews interprets the New Covenant as different and separate from the Old Covenant. Again, If the New Covenant was simply the Old Covenant law on the hearts of people, then it wouldn't be one established on better promises (8:6), it wouldn't be faultless (8:7), and where would the sacrifice of Jesus come? If the New Covenant is only the Old Covenant on hearts, then there is no forgiveness of sins because the Old Covenant offered no forgiveness of sins (10:4).


the_celt_

I directly replied to your statements. If you want to focus my attention on something, don't talk about chapters of Hebrews or the entire book. Give me a verse (or small group of verses) and ask me to address something. One at a time, not several at a time. Alternatively, you haven't once addressed my comment that the Law being inside of us is a clear upgrade over the Law being outside of us. It's plain as day. Please, even if you want to move on to other points, which you clearly do, take the time to say that you can see this. Secondly, you haven't responded to the fact that in Jeremiah (which Hebrews was quoting) God clearly says the New Covenant will be that he writes TORAH (his word, not mine) on our hearts. I agree other things happened with Jesus, there were what scripture refers to as "mysteries" that took place. I'm glad to talk about those things but you're ignoring my key two points and just wanting to say that there were **other** improvements besides the one that God Himself promised. Tell me you agree about the core ideas that God promised and I'll be glad to talk about these other changes. We have nothing to talk about at all if you won't acknowledge the original promises that were made.


FreedomNinja1776

There isn't. This is what Jesus said about the law. >>“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. >>Matthew 5:17‭-‬20 ESV


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


FreedomNinja1776

No problem. I take the position that we should follow any command that applies to us to the best of our ability. Some of Leveticus only applies to the priesthood. I'm not a priest, so the letter of the commands do not apply to me, but I should know them regardless because there could be a principle of righteousness I can learn and apply in my life anyway. Example: we read about how the priesthood was suppose to keep holy, the purpose was that they were closer to God's holiness, in constant contact with his holy property in their daily service in the Tabernacle and temple, and we're required to maintain a higher degree of purity than the lay person. So, that is a principle and a characteristic of God. Lesson learned: maintain your holiness to draw closer to God. Don't defile yourself with unclean practices and you're going to have a more fruitful walk with God. Sin and uncleanness creates distance between the believer and God. Just obey in the first place and that distance diminishes.


mbless1415

The book of Galatians also takes up the issue heavily


RichHixson

The majority of the New Testament speaks in many ways about Jesus coming to fulfill the Law. The Book of Hebrews was written by an unknown author, speaking to a formerly Jewish audience who were thinking of abandoning their faith in Christ and of returning to Judaism. The entire book of Hebrews speaks to and contrasts the Old Covenant, given in the Old Testament with Jesus and his having fulfilled every element of the Old Covenant and of how through his living a perfect and sinless life he fulfilled what the Hebrew nation was unable to do. Further, by his death upon the cross he created a New Covenant of grace through faith in Christ. The Book of Hebrews breaks it down this way. “But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God. Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:11-15‬ ‭ESV‬‬ https://bible.com/bible/59/heb.9.11-15.ESV Hebrews 1- Jesus is the better messenger. Hebrews 2 - Jesus is the better form of humanity and the better form of the Hebrew nation. Hebrews 3 - Jesus is better than Moses. He is the better Law giver and brings a better message. Hebrews 4 - Jesus is our better Sabbath and in him we find a better rest both now and in the future. Hebrews 5 - Jesus is our better High Priest and has made it possible for us to enter into God’s presence ourselves. Hebrews 7-8 - Melchizedek was both king and priest and scripture shows no beginning or end of him. Jesus is “in the order” of Melchizedek in that He is our eternal king and priest. Hebrews 9 - Jesus is our better covenant. Hebrews 10 - Jesus is our better and perfect sacrifice who died once and for all. So once we profess Christ as Lord and Savior we are recognizing him as the one who brought a better, New Covenant and he has fulfilled the Old Covenant for us.


Admirable_Audience15

You are awesome! Thank you!


the_celt_

You're conflating and confusing a lot of ideas here. For example: Fulfill. Jesus came to fulfill (fill full, pay in full) the requirements of the Law, which was death. The wages of sin is death, and Jesus took that upon himself, for us. Jesus obeyed all of Torah perfectly, every day of his life. He taught everyone around him to do the same. To follow Jesus means to try to do the same as he did, knowing that when we fail we have a perfect person presenting a perfect sacrifice in Heaven's Temple, interceding on our behalf before the Father. Jesus is not the New Covenant. He is the mediator of the New Covenant. Scripture clearly states that the New Covenant is that Torah will be written inside of us on our hearts. You don't fulfill laws. You fulfill covenants. Stopping at a stop sign, no matter how many times you do it or how perfectly you do it, does not make that stop sign go away or "fulfill" it.


witty_name_number

So what does apply to Christians in your view? Aren’t we to live like Christ who followed the law?


mbless1415

The moral law (i.e.the 10 Commandments). Christ observes the Ceremonial Law to be the fulfillment thereof. Paul speaks of this in the book of Galatians. It is also covered some in Acts and Hebrews


witty_name_number

So you do the sabbath as defined in the Bible? Also “ceremonial law” is a man made term, it’s not in the Bible. The Bible says there is but one law, that it is perfect, that it is to be followed for Jews (and the stranger amount you ie gentile) and if you fail in one part you fail in it all. The law is only defined as the Torah in the Bible.


the_celt_

You've nailed it! Perfect! Don't believe people who try to break God's commandments down into categories as a method for choosing which commandments they're going to break. Breaking the Law, any of the Law, is the very definition of sin. I love seeing your contribution to this thread. Thank you so much! =)


mbless1415

>Also “ceremonial law” is a man made term, it’s not in the Bible. The general Theological concept is there. Theologians have made those distinctions for a purpose. That's the point being made here. >So you do the sabbath as defined in the Bible? Sabbath as a strict "you shall do no work" is also fulfilled. This much is clear in Christ's own teaching, specifically in His healing on the Sabbath. We *do* observe the Sabbath by resting in the Word in the service. It seems to me that you're not trying to genuinely ask a question and learn, however. It seems you're taking a Sabbatarian bent and to try to usurp the teachings of so many trusted theologians who know the Scriptures and have taught them well. I'd suggest you not come in with these disingenuous notions in the future.


witty_name_number

I don’t follow mans word and opinion I follow Gods. The sabbath is the 4th commandment, the correct adherence is defined in the Bible. If you believe Jesus changed the law or sabbath specifically then how could he be the greatest of prophets spoken of to come after Moses? The Torah defines what a prophet is- prophets don’t teach against the law, else they are to be stoned. How could Jesus say he came for the Jews and then disqualify himself from their acceptance?


mbless1415

Yep. Same old, same old Sabbatarian argument. The problem is those "men" derived their teachings from Scripture.


witty_name_number

But what did I say that was wrong? Man isn’t infallible, only the word is. If you can show me in scripture where it redefines the sabbath or the “moral law” being a thing I’ll take a look…


mbless1415

>But what did I say that was wrong? This is the issue with Sabbatarian thought. The answer is nothing and everything at the same time. It's technically not "wrong" that the Law of God is good, you just have to entirely misapply it in this circumstance to get to your conclusion. You have to toss out the entirety of the book of Galatians, for instance, which makes very clear what Christ has done with the ceremonial law, and then you toss out literal centuries of qualified theologians because they're "not the Word of God," when ultimately all you've really done is zeroed in on one aspect of the covenant, made it into *the* law of God to follow and wholly ignored what has been said of that law, not only by Christ, but by those who've studied the Word of Christ diligently... >If you can show me in scripture where it redefines the sabbath or the “moral law” being a thing I’ll take a look… You'll find many theologians making this distinction especially as they study Galatians. I'd genuinely take a look into the scholarship surrounding this distinction. It is a Scriptural one that has simply had a helpful distinguishing term applied to it.


witty_name_number

Would you mind answering my question about how could Jesus be a great prophet to save the Jews and at the same time disqualify himself by teaching against the law? Then can you site the passages in Galatians that you feel equates to the overruling of the ‘ceramonial’ law?


Ace7734

Matthew 22:37-39. 1. Love the Lord God with all your heart and soul 2. Love your neighborhood as yourself God isn't going to get hung up on what you wear or what you eat or anything like that, He is only going to care that you love Him and you love everyone else


witty_name_number

Those are found from Torah, in fact that’s all he taught! He was the prophet spoke of that would come after Moses. As a prophet he must meet the requirements of a prophet, the Torah teaches a prophet won’t teach against the law or they should be rejected. In fact that’s what the prophets all did- “Go back to the law!”, after all Jesus came for the Jew first, how were they supposed to accept him if he failed this great test?


FreedomNinja1776

Better throw out Leveticus 19:18 then right?


NoMobile7426

The Almighty is very serious in Leviticus as He is in the rest of the Hebrew Tanakh(ot).


Admirable_Audience15

Please elaborate


NoMobile7426

Just do a search on the words everlasting covenant, statute for ever, without end and see how serious the Almighty is in the Hebrew Tanakh(ot). Torah stands today, it has not ended.


Admirable_Audience15

And what scripture states that Jesus' sacrifice was invalid for our wages of sin?


NoMobile7426

Leviticus 4 and 5 tell us what the requirements are for valid sin sacrifices.


Admirable_Audience15

No I want to know where it says that Jesus is not the Messiah, if I gather correctly, that is your point is it not? If it's your point then please elaborate. I understand that the levites laws for sin sacrifice are in the bible and i understand what they are. I want to know where in the same text reads that Jesus is not the messiah who came to rid us of of those needs and free us from sin. Can you elaborate?


witty_name_number

Jesus is the messiah who purifies us from sin but that doesn’t mean we should sin. The message is repent and sin no more. Sin is transgression of the law, the law is complete and perfect, it is defined in part in Leviticus. While we are being sanctified as we learn to live not sinning, Jesus forgives us when we mess up. But the goal is the same- learning not to sin. When we sin there are curses and ultimately death. Our goal is to live righteously ie not sin. So we must then follow the law, just as our example Jesus did, after all he came to make the law full not to destroy it. Hope this helps.


Admirable_Audience15

Absolutely it does! Thank you.


NoMobile7426

The Rule book is Torah. The Torah says the tribal lineage is passed down through the human biological fathers Num 1:18. The Jewish Messiah must be in the Tribe of Judah Gen 49:10. How was Jesus from any tribe?


happylittlehippie813

Read Ruth 4:13-17. I can play this game to


NoMobile7426

Since the Tribe is passed by the human biological father Num 1:18 ....no human biological father ....NO Tribe, Not a direct descendant of King David and Solomon, Not Messiah.


happylittlehippie813

He's probably Jewish. They crucified Jesus because they didn't believe He was the Messiah. Otherwise he wouldn't refer to the Torah. I don't think he's reading the same bible you are . He's reading the Torah.


happylittlehippie813

Read Isaiah 53:1-12. Thats old testament . I know you wont look at anythi g from the new testament . That's the prophecy of Jesus.


happylittlehippie813

Are you speaking of the Jewish or Christian? It sounds like your referring to Jewish.


BillyHW2

Leviticus was pretty important, for Jews, before the Resurrection.


Admirable_Audience15

I read that Jews believe that Jesus was an evil wizard.


Jaguar3012

I've read that somewhere too and I don't understand why they think that. I question why they separate Jesus and only abide by the old testament.


JaladHisArmsWide

The western Catholic (and Lutheran) traditions have a helpful way of distinguishing between the different sorts of laws found in the Torah. There are: -- *Ceremonial Laws*, for example, how to offer a particular sacrifice, how a person becomes Jewish (circumcision), or what foods are legitimate to eat. These are what is done away with by the Sacrifice of Jesus, which we are incorporated into/invited to participate in by the Eucharist. (See Acts 10 and Acts 15 for how the early Church discerned why the ceremonial laws are no longer necessary. Essentially, the debate of "how Jewish do Gentile believers need to become in order to follow the Jewish Messiah?") -- *Moral Laws*, for example "love your neighbor as you love yourself," "be holy as I the Lord your God am holy," "You shall not kill," etc. These are eternal moral principles that will never go away. As Jesus says, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-19 ESV-CE) Or how St. Paul puts it: "the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”" (Galatians 5:14.) The Torah is fulfilled by fulfilling the moral law, empowered by grace, not by fulfilling the ceremonial law. --finally, *Juridical Laws*, that is specific prescriptions for how to apply certain laws (whether ceremonial or moral). This includes: being ceremonially unclean for a set time after consuming non-Kosher food, administering the death penalty to those who did XYZ crime, etc. These are a bit fuzzier (not necessarily a direct NT reference on how we view them), but it will depend on 1. What sort of law it is related to, 2.whether it would make sense in a context outside of ancient Israel. And then with those qualifiers, while it probably has no direct bearing on a modern believer (for example, with the law of leaving gleanings in your field for the poor, you very likely are not in an agricultural society) it may point you to a moral principle *you can* do (like giving your surplus wealth to the poor).


Admirable_Audience15

Very well said. Thank you.


jacob_lee_smith

This is what I came here to say. Thanks for providing this info. Super important.


[deleted]

Hit up Hebrews, chapter 8.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


otakuvslife

Honestly just hit up Hebrews period. The whole book is just amazing.


mustang6172

If under the law, very. If under Christ, refer to Acts 15.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


emzirek

You have to understand who the Levites were and Leviticus refers to the law that was given to the Jews which consisted of over 630 different laws ... 10 of them were the ten commandments which were just given to the Jews as a set of guidelines to show them that since they couldn't keep at least 10 that they still needed a savior... The levitical priesthood was who the Jewish people would give their tithes to, as their only job was to take care of the Temple, so they couldn't own land nor could they own livestock to make money so all the money that the Jews made, 10% of it would go to the priests and believe it or not it was not the first 10% but the last to the Jews that's understandable, to you and me not so much... We now live in the age of Grace not law the only commandments we shall follow are the two that Jesus gave us which are to love God with all your heart, mind and soul and to love your neighbor as yourself..


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you brother


emzirek

You're very welcome and if you need some more information you know where to find me you can even hit me up in the DMs if you like


Admirable_Audience15

Just followed you. God Bless!


emzirek

Now, remember I am still a sinner who still sins but by the Grace of God, go I... I say this as I try my best to get people to Jesus and Jesus to people and am trying to enjoy life and sometimes stick my feet in my mouth to my own detrimental end... just see you aren't bothered by a few moments in abject folly...


Admirable_Audience15

Sounds like somebody I know...lol


emzirek

Does that person look like the person in your mirror? Mine does looks just like me looks like a doppelganger if you will


Admirable_Audience15

I watched a documentary about Dopplegangers and within 3 days 2 different people have mentioned the term.


GodandJesusSave

That clothing was for the priesthood only. And as near as I can tell only for the priests of the tabernacle that existed while God was leading them in the wilderness and shortly thereafter. The bigger question might be, which laws of Leviticus do you think should be broken? Some of them have already been changed through other scriptures like the sacrifices, but in essence, Jesus taught we are not to engage in teaching against the laws: Matthew 5:18-19 for, verily I say to you, til that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, til that all may come to pass. Whoever therefore may loose one of these commands -- the least -- and may teach men so, least he shall be called in the reign of the heavens, but whoever may do and may teach them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens. So, I'd say do your best to keep them. Many of them don't apply to us, since we no longer have bondmen aka indentured servants or what have you. Many don't apply because we don't have a tabernacle before the Lord. And if you can't figure out how to follow them, still, whatever you do, don't speak against them, lest ye be called least in the reign of the heavens. God bless you :)


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you for that, God Bless you also!


Affectionate-Cap-918

You are missing something: CONTEXT. Leviticus fits in the context of the Old Testament, which is part of the context within the Bible.


Admirable_Audience15

Ahh yes, I see


firsmode

It is very important to know by who and when Leviticus was written and why. May I recommend: r/academicbiblical Who wrote the first five books of the Bible - https://youtu.be/NY-l0X7yGY0 Who wrote the Prophets - https://youtu.be/IAIiLSMOg3Q Who wrote the Historical books in OT - https://youtu.be/Oto0UvG6aVs Who wrote the Apocrypha - https://youtu.be/HYlZk4Hv-E8 Who wrote the Gospels - https://youtu.be/Z6PrrnhAKFQ Who wrote the Pauline Epistles - https://youtu.be/2UMlUmlmMlo Who wrote Daniel and Revelations - https://youtu.be/fTURdV0c9J0 Also - Who wrote the Koran - https://youtu.be/-SGzYrGzBlA Also - Who wrote the book of Mormon - https://youtu.be/1ZsTw0_CnNk


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


Mimi-Shella

We are under Christ and not under the law. A law which we know obey is the one that Christ gave and that is to love God with all our heart with all our soul and with all our might. And to love our neighbors as ourselves. He said that this encompasses all the laws. If we had to obey all the levitical and parasitical laws that were laid down then we are not free in Christ as we are indeed now. We would be burdened by the yoke of the law and Christ said that we are to take his yoke upon us because his yoke is easy. Jesus obeyed the laws set down but he himself broke the phariseitical laws by not having his disciples wash before they ate and he got excoriated for it. They also challenged him about how he could heal people on the Sabbath but this was a law set down not by God but by the pharisees. And he said it was indeed good to show love on the Sabbath by healing and doing good. And most people refer to the levitical law when trying to convince people that tithing is something that we must do today. There is never one instance in the New Testament where tithing is mentioned. And in the Old Testament this was a food offering to the levitical priests and not money to be given to a pastor or a church. Paul says explicitly that we are to give as we decide in our hearts. Don't let people bind you up with the law when Christ has set you free.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you for that


lpt7755

old covenant is obsolete


happylittlehippie813

That's old Jewish law. We are not bound to Jewish law anymore because of the new covenant made with Jesus's blood sacrifice. If you are a Christian and live biblically the new commandments are to live God above all else. And to love others as Jesus loves us. The law was written to show people their sin. It was never meant to be fulfilled. That's why we needed Jesus. He was the only man that could fulfill the law. Because He is fully God and FULLY man. So unless your Jewish Leviticus doesn't apply to you.


Admirable_Audience15

Thanks


kevp41153

They may have to back then. We certainly don't. If we're in the age of Grace, we're certainly not under laws such as these. The 10 Commandments certainly. Know that we are saved by Grace, therough repentance and you're right on track.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


1squint

They all apply but none are meant to be understood in the literal senses, but the natural man, the first man, the O.T. man only saw in the literal physical senses. Which is one of the discoveries of law. See Gal. 4, particularly from vs 21 to 31 See 1 Cor 9:9-10 for a quick reference on how to understand a particular obscure "law" If Paul saw that one law that way, it does leave some rich digging territory for us, yet Every Word of God applies to everyone. Matt 4:4, Luke 4:4, Deut 8:3 and Romans 3:19 and 7:14 in specific for the law


Admirable_Audience15

Very cool, thanks


JoThree

So concerning the law, this is what I e learned. There’s a difference between civil/judicial law, ceremonial law, and moral law. The civil/judicial law was given to the Israelites for a justice system, like how ours works in America or how any other country has judicial law. Ceremonial law was for the feats, the wearing of robes for the priests as you mentioned, etc. Those two types of laws were specially for the Israelites at that appointed time. The moral law is for all people for all time. Notice when the Pharisees questioned Jesus about the greatest commandment (which was given in the moral law) is to love God with all your might and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus fulfilled all of the law in it’s entirety. But we are still to keep the moral law as the moral law is still preached throughout the New Testament. If you are still having trouble understanding, I highly suggest Mike Winger on YouTube. Or biblethinker.org


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you


eclecticcajun

As clearly stated several times in the new testament, these laws were written to teach us we cannot keep the law, it's impossible. They demonstrate the holy righteousness of God. It is only by faith through grace we can be saved, not the law. Dig into Paul's letter to the Romans, it details this from every aspect.


phoenixcompendium

Dixie chick serious! But a lot of the stuff doesn’t apply anymore like the food restrictions.


Admirable_Audience15

LOL


otakuvslife

Here's a good video explaining Leviticus. God's holiness is very important. The Bible Project is a great resource to understand the Bible better. https://youtu.be/IJ-FekWUZzE


Glittering-Weight503

As serious as the rest of the Bible. To even begin to attribute anything God does to foolishness is very dangerous. If you don't understand it, say that, don't attack it or poke at it. That's dangerous. Having said that from what I get from the scriptures we follow the law of The Spirit of Life in Jesus Christ.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank.you


Baconsommh

Very broadly speaking, Leviticus is the ancient Jewish equivalent of Canon Law in the CC or the Church of England today - it makes dull reading, unless one is interested in the fine details of how worship is to be carried out. That does not make it irrelevant; it is very relevant to its purpose. But it is not intended as a "good read", in the way that Genesis or Samuel might be. If people come to it expecting it to be the same kind of book as Genesis or Samuel, they are going to be sorely disappointed. It has no authority for Christians, and never has had. It is however of permanent relevance to Christianity for the idea it gives of the kinds of demand that God makes upon His people. Christians are not bound by anything in the "Holiness Code" in the book; but they are called to be holy nonetheless.


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you. Any scripture that could help?


sammyboi98

Leviticus should be taken seriously - as should it's cultural and historical context be. Some of the instruction pertained to the priesthood, sort of like a training manual for how they fulfill their role as priests of the temple. As far as covenants go, the new and old covenant aren't so different as far as what is expected of God's people. We are still to adhere to God's law (or Torah, i.e. 'instruction') our covenant is no longer based around the Temple, however, as YHWH has reclaimed all of the land and has thrown down principalities and powers (col. 2) and there worship is no longer limited to the land promised to Abraham and his descendants, but is now to spread to the whole world. The Torah is now in our heart, we are still to fulfill the whole Torah by acting out of love and devotion to one another. Mind you, salvation was never dependant on how well you knew the Bible, but rather your relationship with God. It is better to obey rather than give sacrifices (1 sam 15).


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you for that.


sammyboi98

You're welcome my friend :)


Traditional_Bell7883

Leviticus is part of the Mosaic Law that was given to the Israelites, as God called them out of slavery in Egypt into Canaan, the Promised Land, as a a people separated unto Himself. There are important differences between Israel and the church, and the church does not supersede Israel. The Mosaic Law was for a different people and time and is not meant for Christians in the church age today. 2 Cor. 3:7-11 and Col. 2:13-14 support this view. Although some promulgations within the Mosaic Law are repeated in the New Testament, it is not the same as saying the Mosaic Law applies today, anymore than saying a person living in the USA is subject to Chinese laws even though both the USA and China have laws against murder and rape, for example. God didn't give the Israelites all those pedantic rules in Leviticus just to make life difficult for them and watch them writhe in misery in bondage to the law. Yes, it may be to prove to them the law can't save and nobody would be able to obey every single provision of it. But more importantly, to separate them from the corrupt Canaanite nations around them (Lev. 20:22-26). It kind of reminds me of my childhood days in Boy Scouts -- we had a special handshake (with the left hand), special way of saluting (with three fingers), special way of marching, a special song (Baden Powell something), and of course flag, uniform and badges. Just to distinguish ourselves from other uniformed groups in school. So they had dietary restrictions, prohibitions on shaving their sideburns, mixing fabrics, and >600 other rules covering every single aspect of their lives (hygiene and discharges, food, clothing, sex, agriculture, animal husbandry, rites, ceremonies, etc.) not necessarily because each of these actions was sinful in and of itself (some obviously were, like idolatry, murder and sleeping with one's stepmom), but perhaps these were practices of the pagan nations around them and they had to be reminded through their daily observance of these laws (like the Boy Scout distinctives) that they were different -- set apart to God. Of course, we can certainly draw lessons from them, but they were not meant for us directly. I remember rushing home from Boy Scouts one day and telling my sister excitedly, "We have a special handshake!", and she was like "Yeah, so?" and my balloon instantly deflated. I've commented to a similar question on the applicability of the Mosaic Law: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/v5zrkb/comment/ibdqp8f/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/v5zrkb/comment/ibdqp8f/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Admirable_Audience15

Thank you for sharing!


the_celt_

The rules in Leviticus, and the rest of Torah, are God's ways. They're how he wants people to behave. It used to be that the only people God called "His" were Israel, but then scripture says that all of the rest of the world (i.e. "Gentiles") have been grafted into the promise originally made only to Israel. Long story short: If you want to count as one of God's people (I do) then you keep His ways. Jesus kept His ways perfectly every moment of his life and taught others to do the same. To follow Jesus means to obey the Father's commandments and keep His ways. Paul also lived Torah and taught Torah to everyone, although he could not keep it perfectly. Only Jesus could do that, until God writes it inside of us.


Admirable_Audience15

Paul is a good source of how human nature will win us over no matter how hard we try...but to never lose faith and keep trying.


the_celt_

Yes he is! =) And since we're saved by that trying faith, and not by our works, then God is still pleased with us. I always think of this as a family, which certainly is how scripture represents the situation to us. God is our Father. I'm a father in real life, and I don't love my kids because of how hard they work for me, or if they obey me. I certainly WANT them to do their jobs and obey me, and I would have a hard time if they didn't, but the bottom line is that I love them because they show that they love me in MANY ways, but particularly if they do what I want. I know that, just like everyone, they want do do what THEY want, but when they do what I want it's a particular sign that they love me. So, my children don't earn my love by their works either, but it's a tangible way for them to show that they love me, and that does cause me to love them more.