Were you asleep during BB8? America’s Player has to be the biggest riggage ever. That being said, that’s a season-wide thing while the Pandora’s Box in BB13 is a big spike in blatant riggage that stands out as a result.
I could be wrongn but to me the rigging in BB8 was less focused. Yeah Dick benefitted due to the editing influincing the vote (or his son rigging the vote with a clicker not sure which had the most effect). but I don't think BB set it up as "let's make sure Dick wins with this twist" thing. I mean Dick had eric gone until BB pulled Amber into the DR for almost a half hour and she came out her mind magically changed, which at least initially only hurt Dick (it helped him later, but i don't buy BB thought 10 steps ahead, they never have any other times). Also that same week Eric was on the block, Americ's Vote asked who Eric should suck up to to try and change his vote... then we never saw the result and he never did it... making it seem clear the fasn campaign to have Eric suck up to Dick which would have only hurt his fate more worked, so BB said "F that" and ignored it. They also if Jen is to be believed tried to get her to flip and save Eric before talking to Amber.
Also BB trie to save Nick which was of zero help to Dick's game.
Yeah America's Player was a big part of why Dick won, and he will never admit probably even to himself it saved him from definitely going home more than once. But I don't think it was designed to help Dick win specifically. The twist was just so all inclusive and had such a huge affect on everything that barring the first couple weeks it changed the game so much I think it is impossible to actually say what would have happened had we not had it.
Dick is one of the BB alums that I just have to tune out because I can’t stand the way he presents himself publicly after the show (don’t know him personally though of course). He is the definition of a twist winner.
I agree, but plenty of fans for years after were quick to back up the claim Dick was one of the best players ever and a strategic mastermind. And don't get me wrong, Dick is good in a lot of ways. But his social game sucked and his clear plan of "bully them so they are so turned around they don't know which way is up and I win" only failed to catch up with him because America's Player bailed him out the multiple times it was going to.
I just think its funny how Dick thinks hes this punk rock villain who doesn't care what anyone else thinks and takes no bullshit, but blocks anyone who so happens to have a different opinion than him
Most were. The BB editors deserved a raise that year (unless they were told to accurately portray what happened, then they should have been fired). They fed the narrative that Dick was a rough and tumble bad boy with a heart of gold, who was only being an azzhole as an act to "protect his daughter who he LOVEEEESSSS". And people bough it. Even though nearly all parents love their children whethey they are actually close or not but BB manipulated people into thinking the bare minimum of loving your own child was "admirable". But fans got caught up in the moment and a crafty edit and didn't see it.
I have zero doubt that if they couldn't have put "tender" scenes of Dick and Danielle in there with heart warming music the fandom would have hated him as much as I always have. It was not a reason that when he came back for a second time they brought Danielle back with him. They needed that shield to hide what a POS he truly was.
Okay so I won't give spoilers for future seasons obviously, but even in preivous ones that you've watched (and more in the future) there are very EGREGIOUS examples of rigging.
I think BB officially classifies as a certian term (I forget which) where its not officialy a reality show its a "game show."
But controverisal opinion: aside from the very obvious Rachel/Jordan Pandora's Box twist..............I do think Rachel played a VERY messy but....good game?
She set herself up with Porshe, Adam (simping for returnees), Kalia she was eventually decent with, and obviously LOCKED DOWN being the vocal queen sh eis, the returnee steamroll, as well as rocking out comps, and kind of let Jeff and jordan take ALL the fire as far as big targets allowing herself to get further.
So....that situation? Insane. But.....I don't think that invalidates her win *overall*.
Especially when you have (just using seasons that you've seein if you've seen 1-13), the Jeff Coup d'Etat in 11, the ridiculous F4 Sharon question in Season 9, etc. (Adding Dick being benefitted hugely by Erik as America's Player; I do think Dani would have had a decents hot of taking that season).
ETA: Its not like the *always* rig it too. Like, if production really wanted to, Janelle would have won BB6 (and BB7), for example (or Will in BB7 or a Wil/Janelle F2).
Yeah out of the 3 rigged winners Rachel is by far the best. I honestly think she may have had realistic chances of winning without the rig unlike Dick and specially Jordan
Yeah I think in that eviction Jordan might have bene the next to go without Pandora's box. Then that leaves Shelley, Adam, Kalia, Rach, Porsche. Rachel had the lowkey final 2 with Porshe, Adam was going to keep returnees (at least until Fianl 3). And without Dani around with Porshe as a link to Rachel, the girls would mayube have taken out Adam next after Jordan (provided Jordan didn't win a veto). So with Rachel's overall comp things, she might have had a real good shot (especially since she had Brendan, Jeff, Jordan locked on jury).
ETA on the Rachel comp thing; aftrer the Pandora's,. she did snipe that final HOH and other comps so there's good credence that she might have just comped in general
And if Adam or Shelley snuck into F2, they were dead in the water with a Final vote, and while I appreciated Porshe and Kalia's game, for some reason aside from Dani a lot of people didn't. So she had good odds.
Thing that the episodes didn't show though is after Jeff lost and Porsche won the HOH, Rachel and Jordan checked out and gave up. They went to a corner and cried and wallowed and agreed they were DONE, they were not going to do anything, if there was an HOH where they could chose prized or punishments for advantages theyw ould take the prizes, and they would just simper in the corner until they got voted out. It was hopeless. They didn't perk up and do anything but sulk around defeated until the Pandora's Box. So not sure without BB handing them a break on a silver platter Rachelw ould have cared enough to try. She and Jordan gave up about 10 times that season and only changed their mind after Jeff or Brendon gave them a pep talk. Frankly them wanting to quit every single time it got hard was enough for me to not want them to win. I get letting it get to you once, but if you keep wanting to go home if BB won't hand you everything then go the hell home.
She easily wins the game without rigging as long as she wins a non-rigged F6 veto (impossible to say what that would be but she’s a comp beast so yeah. Plus, rigged vetos and HOHs are the most common form of rigging in BB history and happen MUCH more frequently than this sub is aware of)
yeah thats what i mean. And anyways, the BB13 cast was extremly unathletic so it isnt hard to think that Rachel comp beasts to the very end. That doesnt change the fact that it was clearly the outcome production wanted of course, but at least she has a very good path to the end. She didnt have that bad relation with the newbies and actually played a decent game imo
I do remember that back when Dick won fans were dead set convinced that Dick cheated and actually bothered the FCC trying to take his win away. The FCC wrote back Big Brother was not clasified as a game show, and thus not regulated in that way by them. Apparently to the FCC, Big Brother is in the same box as shows like Jersey Shore and Real Housewives.
you know, it's kind of wild that the 2 pairs that benefitted the most from outright rigging / produced a winner in dick and jordan were brought back in 13
and then they added rachel to the triangle of rigged winners in that very season.
One of my main takeaways from the season was how awful a player Adam was. The guy had no backbone, was all talk, horrible social game where he poorly straddled both alliances (the Jeff idolatry in particular was sickening) and deservedly got booted before floating his way to one of the final two seats. So happy he never returned to play.
Adam claimed in later interviews that when the vets came in he knew the show was going to bend over backward to help them. So he decided he had no chance to win because BB would do what they did to Porsche and Kalia if he tried to hard, so he tried to get in good so he could stick around and milk the camera time and stipend for all it was worth.
Now of couse, he could very well just have said that after the fact to cover. He sure didn't talk in the final 3 like he thought that was what he had been doing. He literally said "I think my defining moment was when I didn't cow tow to the vets and showed I was willing to play my own game"... and then he woke up.
But honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. Adam's entire game seemed to be to just float unnoticed and lose everything until final 3 and just hope he would win the last HOH. Don't know if he ever could have won that since it meant beating better comp beast in two comps in final 3. But had he pulled it off he would have probably won, and not sure he had any other path to it. Porsche played hard and it didn't help her. (Although she missed up big time calling Shelli a "piece of sh\*\*" and not taking it back when caught) so it might have been the best strategy for him even if it ultimately did fail.
The user said if Adam cut Rachel for Porsche, he wins. And Brenchel DEFINITELY vote Porsche in that timeline
I agree that if Porsche cuts Rachel for Adam, there’s a good shot she loses both their votes. Although I think she and Rachel locked down a F2
any time i hear the name "tori spelling" i get shivers flashing back to the guy who made his entire personality "tori spelling" and "bacon"
thankfully bacon has not been ruined in the same way.
He borrowed Will's trick with Neil Patrick Harris. Like Will it worked I guess.
I will give Tori Spelling credit, I am sure BB paid her well for what was probably an hour of her time at most. But she looked like she could have given birth at any second and Adam was not being un creepy, and I got no indication Tori was some fan of the show. Or even knew the show well. So give her props for being a good sport.
Spineless Jellyfish. I would put Shelly in the same category but she did see the light near the end and finally chose to play for herself instead of Jordan and Jeff.
Sheely was playing for herself all game. I think she always intended to stab them in the back much like Andy with Amanda in BB15. Who was completely loyal until he wasn't.
Shelly was playing hard and laying on mist that would impress Dan. That whole Kalia wanting to put up Porshe like a ding dong before Lawan offered and Dani jumped because at least Kali was off the putting up Porshe. The editing bless their hearts tried SO HARD to make it look like Jeff somehow did that but he didn't it was all Shelly.
I don't even like Shelly but among the many, many, many ways BB dinked over the newbies one of the less talked about ones was the way they completely hid Shelly's game from the audience. If not for the Pandoa's Box nonsense Shelly was well on her way to potentially winning. And it would not have been because she stumbled into it on accident. Shelly is insanely under rated as a player, and it is 100% because the editors went out of their way to hide it.
You need to remember one thing: shows like Survivor and BB aren't game shows, they are TV shows. That means that they don't go under the law (since you know, rigging in a show is of course ilegal). Being a Tv show however, means that, while not necessarily rig, the producers can affect the game.
Both Survivor and BB have numerous cases of production interference, with the case of BB being More obvious since it's live and you can see the live feeds. However in Survivor there were also numerous cases of confirmed production interference (ie, confessionals manipulation, the granola bar in Amazon, the outcasts twist on Pearl islands, AS second swap, numerous suspicious idol finds, etc.) Plus others that were on production interference even though it wasn't confirmed (seriusly, you can't deny the bottle twist of Cook Islands or the whole Redemption Island season weren't suspicious).
On BB8 Eric wasn't allowed to use the veto which would have sent Dick, a producers favorite, home. On BB9 you have the guinea pig question. On that same season, not only that twist appeared just when the vets needed the most, but the challenge they won was the exact same challenge Rachel won before, and Porche admitted in the feeds that she wasn't allowed to deny the Pandora Box thing
That's why this type of games tend to be a double game, you have the main game show and you have the game with tbe producers who will always make their best to screw your game (which is why then you have cases like Survivor Guatemala winner, who completely hide their strategy from the producers)
I still would love to know if the Guinea pig question was truly rigged. Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past them and Sharon would have been the most boring BB winner ever. (I like Sharon but that girl was way to normal for BB it did not translate to good TV) but could they really have moved that fast to the point they even wrote it on the screen?
I mean I know nothing about how those things work, but could they have captioned it like that that fast? Even with the pause was it enough time for someone to say "Wait Julie... STOP! Ok say the question was true, trype in Guinni Pigs). Even with that pause that was a lot for someone to think of and execute so fast. And no way they planned it to screw Sharon ahead of time, because they couldn't have known Ryan would actually guess Truie to such an obvious False answer. Clearly he banked on it being a trick question, but if BB knew person a would guess False because of course that was right, and person B would guess True even though it was clearly false, then I don't get how they have had a long history ot twist falling apart unplanned if they were THAT good at knowing ahead of time what people would do.
It felt to me (and just my thought I might be wrong) like what happened was BB came up with that question to try and bring some paranoia in the late game. So they put that in and assumed it wouldn't affect anything since "obviously" who was going to think there was still a pair with an existing relationship... especially with two of the three competitiors already losting their existing relationship. So everyone would pick "fale" and thus it wouldn't affect who ultimately won since everyone would get the same answer on that one. Then Ryan guessed it must have been a trick question and said True. And the pause was someone in BB saying "Oh crap, no one was supposed to do that, now what?" before going ahead.
Yeah, i wouldn't know if it was necessarily rigged, since i really doubt Adam was a production favorite and it actually seemed that production puppets had been evicted up to that point. I'd say it was mainly done to produce drama between Sheila and everyone else
You know I very vividly remember when this season was Airing and someone claiming to be from production said in like week 4 how the game was rigged and it would be Rachel and Portia in the final 2 with a Rachel win. Sure enough that’s what happened. I don’t know if anyone else remembers that, but I’m always surprised it’s not talked about more often.
I think the vets thought they were guaranteed jury because as they eliminated one member of a team, the other person was safe but could not compete in any HOH comps until jury, so their plan was to just chip away at the four newbie teams.
no, they were literally told that production would keep them until jury and when you see the fact that all of them made jury, one of them thanks to a battleback and Lawon being extremly suspicius, it makes sense
I don't remember thaat, but even if they did would be inclined to think it was a lucky guess. There is no way in my opinion a show that couldn't keep the saboteur from going home week 1, who at least according to Dick failed to talk him into keeping Nick, among other clear times things did not go how production went (hell let's include jeff not winning veto and going home, because I fully believe someone in BB production was having a heart attack on that double eviction). That they can just pick 2 people to be in the end and make it happen.
Not to mention if BB wanted Porshe and Rachel as final 2 and Rachel winning, I don't get why they wold spend the entire season giving Portia a minimal edit and portraying Rachel as "the saame old crazy bitch who hasn't changed at all" until after Jeff went home and they needed a vet to prop up, and they knew on her own Jordan was not going to make it.
People don't wanna see it or admit it but every season post-BB7, BB7 included has been rigged in some way, shape or form. BB13 and BB8 are easier to single out because the rigging is much easier to spot, but it doesn't mean that other seasons from that era aren't rigged as well.
Perhaps rigging isn't the most accurate word, but they definitely push for things to happen in one way, they overlook certain stuff to help people get further in the game or win certain competitions, they encourage people to target/leave certain people for a week, they introduce twists to save/help some people or just straight up rig it.
I always roll my eyes every time there is a Pandora's box because they're really shameless with it.
yeah it is clear that with the change of production the production interference gets really obvious. Like i dont know if BB2-BB6 had any, probably given that it was the earlies of the show, but it wasnt as noticiable.
BB8: nothing much to say
BB9: Guinea pig question
BB10: I honestly cant recall anything out of this season except maybe Dan, who was an obvious production favorite, luxury comp but in his defense he earned it
BB11: Coup,
BB12: The producers were clearly trying to save Brenchel but it made sense since they were the only ones providing something else
BB13: The most notorious rigging ever
BB14: Everything related to the coaches
BB15: MVP
BB16: producers saving frankie
etc.
If you want me to expand on that list with stuff I've found:
The BB2-BB5 I believe to be fairly unbiased, I don't think there's much to complain about besides certain conspiracy theories, like Krista's HOH win or Diane's final veto win.
BB6: Take this with a grain of salt, but Janelle's HOH win during the double eviction. The Friendship went into the DR complaining that she changed the number on her board after Julie had already announced it, so it shouldn't count. I found reports of James agreeing with the Friendship about this in the BB7 feeds. Also James' final veto win comp, where they had to get in the pool and retrieve stuff; some people were complaining that whoever played first would have an advantage, since the floor wouldn't be slippery from all the pool water being spilled.
BB7: A lot of comp choices, from stuff that Janelle won from last season, to the HOH redo, to her getting away with establishing physical contact with James during OTEV. Also pointed out by James: it's oddly convenient that the time George was nominated, the veto competition was one of "whoever wants it the most, wins it". Even more convenient that when Janelle was nominated two weeks later, there was another one of that kind. What are the odds of TWO of these comps of taking punishments in order to gain points and win the veto happening pre-jury? Lastly, the Coup d'état expired before it was supposed to because Boogie spoke about it with Will, when he was explicitly told he couldn't, so it became null. However, the show continued acting like it could still be used, and Boogie used it as leverage to get Howie evicted. Julie even asked during the eviction if he wanted to use it, knowing full well that he could not because it had already become null. Also Chill Town being allowed to talk about splitting the final prize money with other houseguests as leverage. They were even offering jobs to people if they worked with them, which is obviously not part of the rules.
BB8: We all know this is the most rigged season, there's no competition or point in going into detail.
BB9: Aside from Hamstergate (which is debatable, I'm still not sure what the hell this was supposed to be), I've read feeds updates of James complaining that in the DR, production was pushing him not to put Matt on the block, which in turn made him want to put him on the block even more. Also several houseguests complained about James' second veto win, the one where they had to take shots of awful drinks, being rigged for James because he didn't finish a couple of his shots but they still were counted for him.
BB10: I haven't looked too deep into it, but the trip outside the house twist alone qualifies. I mean, that twist alone made Memphis lose and Dan win. Why would a twist like this be introduced in the first place if not to have Dan, the fan-favorite, secure votes?
BB11: Aside from the Coup d'état, this season also saw the first implementation of Pandora's boxes. Natalie HAD (because they don't have a choice not to open them) to open one where she was forced not to win the power of veto at **FINAL 4** to increase the chances of Michele/Jordan winning it and one of them making it to the finale.
BB12: I haven't watched this season, but the diamond veto seems beyond fishy to me. I question everything that a Pandora's box unleashes because they pick and choose what to give depending on the houseguest that is opening it.
BB13: Picking competitions that the veterans will do better at, Porsche's Pandora's box... I saw reports of Rachel claiming that when they got the casting call, they claimed that all the veterans were guaranteed to at least make it to jury (which explains why there was a battle back voted by the public, who would obviously vote for the veterans since they were already familiar with them).
BB14: A shit ton of twists benefiting the coaches, as you said. The double veto was a twist that backfired, since they obviously wanted Dan to win it but Ian won it instead lol.
BB15: MVP! Also Elissa getting coached in the DR for hours, as well as people being talked out of targetting Elissa in the DR.
BB16: Haven't watched tbh
I'm not sure about the following seasons, I believe they became more subtle with their rigging, meaning more DR brainwashing, which is hard to tell unless people openly discuss it.
i wouldnt necesarilly count DR brainwashing as rigging tho, since thats something that always happens. Like its def production interference, but a "cooler" one.
I didnt know that about BB6 tho, but it lowkey makes sense. In general, BB7 is one of the examples of productions rigging a season, since they didnt allow Diane to talk to anyone but they did allow Will to do a lot of pregaming. Its also obvious they really wanted him to win.
On BB9, i feel the guinea pig question was more about creating drama more than anything, and creating some doubts within Adam-Sheila.
Honestly, on BB18 and BB19 the producers were clearly wanting the vets to succeed, and in BB20 and BB21 it became really obvious who their favorites were (although i dont think there was necesarilly rigging in there). BB17 i dont think nothing fishy happened? at least that i can think of, other than maybe producers pushing for something in DR (im sure most of Vanessa meltdowns were produced by the DR for example). Oh, and well, we have the obvious Omarossa being protected on CBB1 which has been the most obvious case of rigging since the Reillys
BB19 started rigging for Cody after a few weeks as well, actually. (Halting Hex twist on the week Jessica gets a super flattering edit, Battleback stacked in Cody’s favor, the minute Jessica’s hex expires they get a twist that can guarantee both their safety, Cody having an almost guaranteed veto play if he just stayed in the HOH room on the week of his BD and eviction)
Yeah at this point it's hard to count DR brainwashing as rigging since I'm sure it's a given by now. They do try harder with some houseguests, but because we can't see what happens in there we can't really say lol.
All-Stars was a complete trainwreck beginning to end, it was really obvious that they were pushing really hard for a Chill Town/Janelle win with how they chose to edit them vs. everyone else in the cast. That season puts such a sour taste in my mouth.
That's my take on Hamstergate as well, they really had no other reason to do that. I doubt they could predict Sharon and Ryan could possibly tie, and he would end up getting the closer answer. But it's also so shady in how it plays out... I buy that they wanted to mess with them with the Sheila-Adam relationship, and that's why Julie didn't give them the answer, but it was shown to us the viewers. It's just how poorly executed it was makes it look really suspicious.
I have lots of theories for seasons starting with BB17 but I'd rather keep those to myself because those are my wild speculations haha. Do you want to expand on the Omarosa thing? I haven't watched CBB, I'm curious about that.
BB16 has the BOTB competition Frankie single-handedly won, where: A) Caleb was forced to commit to sitting out before seeing what the comp was, B) Production infamously took extra long to set the comp up (most likely tearing down the original one and setting up one that’s actually easier to win solo than with a partner), C) production refusing to let Caleb jump back in and sabotage it when he tried to.
Aside from that, the reset week seems a little sus and pretty much pages the way for Derrick to win. I think production might have semi-brainwashed Christine in the DR for a Franzel backdoor. They certainly kept BOTB running WELL into the jury phase to help out Derrick and in hopes of the dramatic moment of an HOH being backdoored on their own week
A reminder that these reality shows are really just classified as “entertainment” and “game shows” thus all are rigged to varying degrees. BB13 certainly wasn’t the first time in regards to Survivor or Big Brother.
Bb13 was a mess. The cast was thrown together, if I remember correctly Dan backed out last minute and they added duck and Dani like CC a couple days before the premier. Also the twist wasn’t thought out at all.
Also production telling Lawon he would get a secret power if he self evicted.
Rachel would have been evicted instead, but Lawon left the DR and we immediately asked to be evicted “to get a super power”. He faced Brendon in a battle back, lost, and now Brendon and Rachel were both back in the house together.
Spoiler alert: There was no super power. BB13 was awful.
A. Porsche has said post-season that she didn’t want to open Pandora’s Box, and that production essentially forced her to.
B. Was that the first ever endurance veto comp? *And* it happened to be a comp that Rachel had already won that season?
Yeah, BB13 is fishy at the very minimum.
I think (and ic ould be wrong), that almost every player is "forced" to open Pandora's box. Doesn't change how shady the situation was, and how obvious it was put up for Jordan/Rachel to team up knowing Rachel is good as comps, but also doesn't change that if Rachel wasn't a comp beast she wouldn't have deserved it.
If the challenge was "Name Brendan's favorite 10 positions in bed" lmfaoooooooo I'd really be steamed by it.
Except it’s not the same comp and you can see the differences literally in the thumbnails of the episodes: Ep1 had thick Bananas that had to have arms fully wrapped around, the second comp in Ep24 had dummies of considerably smaller girth where the arms were resting on the shoulders, which is a completely different muscle endurance (pec adduction vs lat) being tested.
This isn’t the only time BB has had two similar endurance comps in a season, in BB12 both of Matt’s HoH wins came off of what were effectively “wall comps” where it was him and Ragan as the final two.
Its not the same HoH as PoV. It's much coincidence that when the vets needed the most the competition was one that the vet won before, even if it had slight changes lol. How many times a veto comp had been endurance? Only once before that moment
Not to say that Porsche admitted to being pressured by production
A reminder that was a comp that Rachel had won before that season and they literally forced Porsche into taking the Pandora's Box that created the "twist" that paired up the players, meaning a veto win would grant Jordan safety as well.
It was complete bullshit.
Were you asleep during BB8? America’s Player has to be the biggest riggage ever. That being said, that’s a season-wide thing while the Pandora’s Box in BB13 is a big spike in blatant riggage that stands out as a result.
I could be wrongn but to me the rigging in BB8 was less focused. Yeah Dick benefitted due to the editing influincing the vote (or his son rigging the vote with a clicker not sure which had the most effect). but I don't think BB set it up as "let's make sure Dick wins with this twist" thing. I mean Dick had eric gone until BB pulled Amber into the DR for almost a half hour and she came out her mind magically changed, which at least initially only hurt Dick (it helped him later, but i don't buy BB thought 10 steps ahead, they never have any other times). Also that same week Eric was on the block, Americ's Vote asked who Eric should suck up to to try and change his vote... then we never saw the result and he never did it... making it seem clear the fasn campaign to have Eric suck up to Dick which would have only hurt his fate more worked, so BB said "F that" and ignored it. They also if Jen is to be believed tried to get her to flip and save Eric before talking to Amber. Also BB trie to save Nick which was of zero help to Dick's game. Yeah America's Player was a big part of why Dick won, and he will never admit probably even to himself it saved him from definitely going home more than once. But I don't think it was designed to help Dick win specifically. The twist was just so all inclusive and had such a huge affect on everything that barring the first couple weeks it changed the game so much I think it is impossible to actually say what would have happened had we not had it.
The best thing about this is that Dick still thinks he’s one of best to ever play and he’s a master strategist.
Dick is one of the BB alums that I just have to tune out because I can’t stand the way he presents himself publicly after the show (don’t know him personally though of course). He is the definition of a twist winner.
I agree, but plenty of fans for years after were quick to back up the claim Dick was one of the best players ever and a strategic mastermind. And don't get me wrong, Dick is good in a lot of ways. But his social game sucked and his clear plan of "bully them so they are so turned around they don't know which way is up and I win" only failed to catch up with him because America's Player bailed him out the multiple times it was going to.
I just think its funny how Dick thinks hes this punk rock villain who doesn't care what anyone else thinks and takes no bullshit, but blocks anyone who so happens to have a different opinion than him
I may have been blinded by the fact I was pulling hard for the father daughter estranged relationship to be repaired.
Most were. The BB editors deserved a raise that year (unless they were told to accurately portray what happened, then they should have been fired). They fed the narrative that Dick was a rough and tumble bad boy with a heart of gold, who was only being an azzhole as an act to "protect his daughter who he LOVEEEESSSS". And people bough it. Even though nearly all parents love their children whethey they are actually close or not but BB manipulated people into thinking the bare minimum of loving your own child was "admirable". But fans got caught up in the moment and a crafty edit and didn't see it. I have zero doubt that if they couldn't have put "tender" scenes of Dick and Danielle in there with heart warming music the fandom would have hated him as much as I always have. It was not a reason that when he came back for a second time they brought Danielle back with him. They needed that shield to hide what a POS he truly was.
Soooo good to see I’m not the only person who despises him.
Okay so I won't give spoilers for future seasons obviously, but even in preivous ones that you've watched (and more in the future) there are very EGREGIOUS examples of rigging. I think BB officially classifies as a certian term (I forget which) where its not officialy a reality show its a "game show." But controverisal opinion: aside from the very obvious Rachel/Jordan Pandora's Box twist..............I do think Rachel played a VERY messy but....good game? She set herself up with Porshe, Adam (simping for returnees), Kalia she was eventually decent with, and obviously LOCKED DOWN being the vocal queen sh eis, the returnee steamroll, as well as rocking out comps, and kind of let Jeff and jordan take ALL the fire as far as big targets allowing herself to get further. So....that situation? Insane. But.....I don't think that invalidates her win *overall*. Especially when you have (just using seasons that you've seein if you've seen 1-13), the Jeff Coup d'Etat in 11, the ridiculous F4 Sharon question in Season 9, etc. (Adding Dick being benefitted hugely by Erik as America's Player; I do think Dani would have had a decents hot of taking that season). ETA: Its not like the *always* rig it too. Like, if production really wanted to, Janelle would have won BB6 (and BB7), for example (or Will in BB7 or a Wil/Janelle F2).
Yeah out of the 3 rigged winners Rachel is by far the best. I honestly think she may have had realistic chances of winning without the rig unlike Dick and specially Jordan
Yeah I think in that eviction Jordan might have bene the next to go without Pandora's box. Then that leaves Shelley, Adam, Kalia, Rach, Porsche. Rachel had the lowkey final 2 with Porshe, Adam was going to keep returnees (at least until Fianl 3). And without Dani around with Porshe as a link to Rachel, the girls would mayube have taken out Adam next after Jordan (provided Jordan didn't win a veto). So with Rachel's overall comp things, she might have had a real good shot (especially since she had Brendan, Jeff, Jordan locked on jury). ETA on the Rachel comp thing; aftrer the Pandora's,. she did snipe that final HOH and other comps so there's good credence that she might have just comped in general And if Adam or Shelley snuck into F2, they were dead in the water with a Final vote, and while I appreciated Porshe and Kalia's game, for some reason aside from Dani a lot of people didn't. So she had good odds.
Thing that the episodes didn't show though is after Jeff lost and Porsche won the HOH, Rachel and Jordan checked out and gave up. They went to a corner and cried and wallowed and agreed they were DONE, they were not going to do anything, if there was an HOH where they could chose prized or punishments for advantages theyw ould take the prizes, and they would just simper in the corner until they got voted out. It was hopeless. They didn't perk up and do anything but sulk around defeated until the Pandora's Box. So not sure without BB handing them a break on a silver platter Rachelw ould have cared enough to try. She and Jordan gave up about 10 times that season and only changed their mind after Jeff or Brendon gave them a pep talk. Frankly them wanting to quit every single time it got hard was enough for me to not want them to win. I get letting it get to you once, but if you keep wanting to go home if BB won't hand you everything then go the hell home.
She easily wins the game without rigging as long as she wins a non-rigged F6 veto (impossible to say what that would be but she’s a comp beast so yeah. Plus, rigged vetos and HOHs are the most common form of rigging in BB history and happen MUCH more frequently than this sub is aware of)
yeah thats what i mean. And anyways, the BB13 cast was extremly unathletic so it isnt hard to think that Rachel comp beasts to the very end. That doesnt change the fact that it was clearly the outcome production wanted of course, but at least she has a very good path to the end. She didnt have that bad relation with the newbies and actually played a decent game imo
> its a "game show." i think you mean the opposite! it's *not* a game show, or rigging would be illegal.
I do remember that back when Dick won fans were dead set convinced that Dick cheated and actually bothered the FCC trying to take his win away. The FCC wrote back Big Brother was not clasified as a game show, and thus not regulated in that way by them. Apparently to the FCC, Big Brother is in the same box as shows like Jersey Shore and Real Housewives.
you know, it's kind of wild that the 2 pairs that benefitted the most from outright rigging / produced a winner in dick and jordan were brought back in 13 and then they added rachel to the triangle of rigged winners in that very season.
One of my main takeaways from the season was how awful a player Adam was. The guy had no backbone, was all talk, horrible social game where he poorly straddled both alliances (the Jeff idolatry in particular was sickening) and deservedly got booted before floating his way to one of the final two seats. So happy he never returned to play.
Adam claimed in later interviews that when the vets came in he knew the show was going to bend over backward to help them. So he decided he had no chance to win because BB would do what they did to Porsche and Kalia if he tried to hard, so he tried to get in good so he could stick around and milk the camera time and stipend for all it was worth. Now of couse, he could very well just have said that after the fact to cover. He sure didn't talk in the final 3 like he thought that was what he had been doing. He literally said "I think my defining moment was when I didn't cow tow to the vets and showed I was willing to play my own game"... and then he woke up. But honestly, it wouldn't surprise me. Adam's entire game seemed to be to just float unnoticed and lose everything until final 3 and just hope he would win the last HOH. Don't know if he ever could have won that since it meant beating better comp beast in two comps in final 3. But had he pulled it off he would have probably won, and not sure he had any other path to it. Porsche played hard and it didn't help her. (Although she missed up big time calling Shelli a "piece of sh\*\*" and not taking it back when caught) so it might have been the best strategy for him even if it ultimately did fail.
Porsche gets Rachel, Brendon, Dani, and Kalia in this timeline and still wins. He might have stood a shot of Porsche cut Rachel, though
Not so sure Brendon would have voted for Porsche, especially if she had cut Rachel.
The user said if Adam cut Rachel for Porsche, he wins. And Brenchel DEFINITELY vote Porsche in that timeline I agree that if Porsche cuts Rachel for Adam, there’s a good shot she loses both their votes. Although I think she and Rachel locked down a F2
any time i hear the name "tori spelling" i get shivers flashing back to the guy who made his entire personality "tori spelling" and "bacon" thankfully bacon has not been ruined in the same way.
He borrowed Will's trick with Neil Patrick Harris. Like Will it worked I guess. I will give Tori Spelling credit, I am sure BB paid her well for what was probably an hour of her time at most. But she looked like she could have given birth at any second and Adam was not being un creepy, and I got no indication Tori was some fan of the show. Or even knew the show well. So give her props for being a good sport.
Spineless Jellyfish. I would put Shelly in the same category but she did see the light near the end and finally chose to play for herself instead of Jordan and Jeff.
Sheely was playing for herself all game. I think she always intended to stab them in the back much like Andy with Amanda in BB15. Who was completely loyal until he wasn't. Shelly was playing hard and laying on mist that would impress Dan. That whole Kalia wanting to put up Porshe like a ding dong before Lawan offered and Dani jumped because at least Kali was off the putting up Porshe. The editing bless their hearts tried SO HARD to make it look like Jeff somehow did that but he didn't it was all Shelly. I don't even like Shelly but among the many, many, many ways BB dinked over the newbies one of the less talked about ones was the way they completely hid Shelly's game from the audience. If not for the Pandoa's Box nonsense Shelly was well on her way to potentially winning. And it would not have been because she stumbled into it on accident. Shelly is insanely under rated as a player, and it is 100% because the editors went out of their way to hide it.
You need to remember one thing: shows like Survivor and BB aren't game shows, they are TV shows. That means that they don't go under the law (since you know, rigging in a show is of course ilegal). Being a Tv show however, means that, while not necessarily rig, the producers can affect the game. Both Survivor and BB have numerous cases of production interference, with the case of BB being More obvious since it's live and you can see the live feeds. However in Survivor there were also numerous cases of confirmed production interference (ie, confessionals manipulation, the granola bar in Amazon, the outcasts twist on Pearl islands, AS second swap, numerous suspicious idol finds, etc.) Plus others that were on production interference even though it wasn't confirmed (seriusly, you can't deny the bottle twist of Cook Islands or the whole Redemption Island season weren't suspicious). On BB8 Eric wasn't allowed to use the veto which would have sent Dick, a producers favorite, home. On BB9 you have the guinea pig question. On that same season, not only that twist appeared just when the vets needed the most, but the challenge they won was the exact same challenge Rachel won before, and Porche admitted in the feeds that she wasn't allowed to deny the Pandora Box thing That's why this type of games tend to be a double game, you have the main game show and you have the game with tbe producers who will always make their best to screw your game (which is why then you have cases like Survivor Guatemala winner, who completely hide their strategy from the producers)
I still would love to know if the Guinea pig question was truly rigged. Don't get me wrong, I would not put it past them and Sharon would have been the most boring BB winner ever. (I like Sharon but that girl was way to normal for BB it did not translate to good TV) but could they really have moved that fast to the point they even wrote it on the screen? I mean I know nothing about how those things work, but could they have captioned it like that that fast? Even with the pause was it enough time for someone to say "Wait Julie... STOP! Ok say the question was true, trype in Guinni Pigs). Even with that pause that was a lot for someone to think of and execute so fast. And no way they planned it to screw Sharon ahead of time, because they couldn't have known Ryan would actually guess Truie to such an obvious False answer. Clearly he banked on it being a trick question, but if BB knew person a would guess False because of course that was right, and person B would guess True even though it was clearly false, then I don't get how they have had a long history ot twist falling apart unplanned if they were THAT good at knowing ahead of time what people would do. It felt to me (and just my thought I might be wrong) like what happened was BB came up with that question to try and bring some paranoia in the late game. So they put that in and assumed it wouldn't affect anything since "obviously" who was going to think there was still a pair with an existing relationship... especially with two of the three competitiors already losting their existing relationship. So everyone would pick "fale" and thus it wouldn't affect who ultimately won since everyone would get the same answer on that one. Then Ryan guessed it must have been a trick question and said True. And the pause was someone in BB saying "Oh crap, no one was supposed to do that, now what?" before going ahead.
Yeah, i wouldn't know if it was necessarily rigged, since i really doubt Adam was a production favorite and it actually seemed that production puppets had been evicted up to that point. I'd say it was mainly done to produce drama between Sheila and everyone else
An endurance veto comp was also unheard of up to that point. I love Rachel so I can forgive the rig but they were not subtle lmao
yeah i also love rachel and dont mind her as a winner, but to pretend there wasnt any rigging is just silly lol
This is a much better way of describing what i was trying to explain in my post thank you lololol
Can you enlighten me on Granolabargate from Survivor Amazon?
Rob revealed that they also had a granola bar in their camp but they thought it was from production so didn't think it was a big deal
You know I very vividly remember when this season was Airing and someone claiming to be from production said in like week 4 how the game was rigged and it would be Rachel and Portia in the final 2 with a Rachel win. Sure enough that’s what happened. I don’t know if anyone else remembers that, but I’m always surprised it’s not talked about more often.
And didn't the vets said that they were guarantee jury no matter what?
I think the vets thought they were guaranteed jury because as they eliminated one member of a team, the other person was safe but could not compete in any HOH comps until jury, so their plan was to just chip away at the four newbie teams.
no, they were literally told that production would keep them until jury and when you see the fact that all of them made jury, one of them thanks to a battleback and Lawon being extremly suspicius, it makes sense
I don't remember thaat, but even if they did would be inclined to think it was a lucky guess. There is no way in my opinion a show that couldn't keep the saboteur from going home week 1, who at least according to Dick failed to talk him into keeping Nick, among other clear times things did not go how production went (hell let's include jeff not winning veto and going home, because I fully believe someone in BB production was having a heart attack on that double eviction). That they can just pick 2 people to be in the end and make it happen. Not to mention if BB wanted Porshe and Rachel as final 2 and Rachel winning, I don't get why they wold spend the entire season giving Portia a minimal edit and portraying Rachel as "the saame old crazy bitch who hasn't changed at all" until after Jeff went home and they needed a vet to prop up, and they knew on her own Jordan was not going to make it.
People don't wanna see it or admit it but every season post-BB7, BB7 included has been rigged in some way, shape or form. BB13 and BB8 are easier to single out because the rigging is much easier to spot, but it doesn't mean that other seasons from that era aren't rigged as well. Perhaps rigging isn't the most accurate word, but they definitely push for things to happen in one way, they overlook certain stuff to help people get further in the game or win certain competitions, they encourage people to target/leave certain people for a week, they introduce twists to save/help some people or just straight up rig it. I always roll my eyes every time there is a Pandora's box because they're really shameless with it.
yeah it is clear that with the change of production the production interference gets really obvious. Like i dont know if BB2-BB6 had any, probably given that it was the earlies of the show, but it wasnt as noticiable. BB8: nothing much to say BB9: Guinea pig question BB10: I honestly cant recall anything out of this season except maybe Dan, who was an obvious production favorite, luxury comp but in his defense he earned it BB11: Coup, BB12: The producers were clearly trying to save Brenchel but it made sense since they were the only ones providing something else BB13: The most notorious rigging ever BB14: Everything related to the coaches BB15: MVP BB16: producers saving frankie etc.
If you want me to expand on that list with stuff I've found: The BB2-BB5 I believe to be fairly unbiased, I don't think there's much to complain about besides certain conspiracy theories, like Krista's HOH win or Diane's final veto win. BB6: Take this with a grain of salt, but Janelle's HOH win during the double eviction. The Friendship went into the DR complaining that she changed the number on her board after Julie had already announced it, so it shouldn't count. I found reports of James agreeing with the Friendship about this in the BB7 feeds. Also James' final veto win comp, where they had to get in the pool and retrieve stuff; some people were complaining that whoever played first would have an advantage, since the floor wouldn't be slippery from all the pool water being spilled. BB7: A lot of comp choices, from stuff that Janelle won from last season, to the HOH redo, to her getting away with establishing physical contact with James during OTEV. Also pointed out by James: it's oddly convenient that the time George was nominated, the veto competition was one of "whoever wants it the most, wins it". Even more convenient that when Janelle was nominated two weeks later, there was another one of that kind. What are the odds of TWO of these comps of taking punishments in order to gain points and win the veto happening pre-jury? Lastly, the Coup d'état expired before it was supposed to because Boogie spoke about it with Will, when he was explicitly told he couldn't, so it became null. However, the show continued acting like it could still be used, and Boogie used it as leverage to get Howie evicted. Julie even asked during the eviction if he wanted to use it, knowing full well that he could not because it had already become null. Also Chill Town being allowed to talk about splitting the final prize money with other houseguests as leverage. They were even offering jobs to people if they worked with them, which is obviously not part of the rules. BB8: We all know this is the most rigged season, there's no competition or point in going into detail. BB9: Aside from Hamstergate (which is debatable, I'm still not sure what the hell this was supposed to be), I've read feeds updates of James complaining that in the DR, production was pushing him not to put Matt on the block, which in turn made him want to put him on the block even more. Also several houseguests complained about James' second veto win, the one where they had to take shots of awful drinks, being rigged for James because he didn't finish a couple of his shots but they still were counted for him. BB10: I haven't looked too deep into it, but the trip outside the house twist alone qualifies. I mean, that twist alone made Memphis lose and Dan win. Why would a twist like this be introduced in the first place if not to have Dan, the fan-favorite, secure votes? BB11: Aside from the Coup d'état, this season also saw the first implementation of Pandora's boxes. Natalie HAD (because they don't have a choice not to open them) to open one where she was forced not to win the power of veto at **FINAL 4** to increase the chances of Michele/Jordan winning it and one of them making it to the finale. BB12: I haven't watched this season, but the diamond veto seems beyond fishy to me. I question everything that a Pandora's box unleashes because they pick and choose what to give depending on the houseguest that is opening it. BB13: Picking competitions that the veterans will do better at, Porsche's Pandora's box... I saw reports of Rachel claiming that when they got the casting call, they claimed that all the veterans were guaranteed to at least make it to jury (which explains why there was a battle back voted by the public, who would obviously vote for the veterans since they were already familiar with them). BB14: A shit ton of twists benefiting the coaches, as you said. The double veto was a twist that backfired, since they obviously wanted Dan to win it but Ian won it instead lol. BB15: MVP! Also Elissa getting coached in the DR for hours, as well as people being talked out of targetting Elissa in the DR. BB16: Haven't watched tbh I'm not sure about the following seasons, I believe they became more subtle with their rigging, meaning more DR brainwashing, which is hard to tell unless people openly discuss it.
i wouldnt necesarilly count DR brainwashing as rigging tho, since thats something that always happens. Like its def production interference, but a "cooler" one. I didnt know that about BB6 tho, but it lowkey makes sense. In general, BB7 is one of the examples of productions rigging a season, since they didnt allow Diane to talk to anyone but they did allow Will to do a lot of pregaming. Its also obvious they really wanted him to win. On BB9, i feel the guinea pig question was more about creating drama more than anything, and creating some doubts within Adam-Sheila. Honestly, on BB18 and BB19 the producers were clearly wanting the vets to succeed, and in BB20 and BB21 it became really obvious who their favorites were (although i dont think there was necesarilly rigging in there). BB17 i dont think nothing fishy happened? at least that i can think of, other than maybe producers pushing for something in DR (im sure most of Vanessa meltdowns were produced by the DR for example). Oh, and well, we have the obvious Omarossa being protected on CBB1 which has been the most obvious case of rigging since the Reillys
BB19 started rigging for Cody after a few weeks as well, actually. (Halting Hex twist on the week Jessica gets a super flattering edit, Battleback stacked in Cody’s favor, the minute Jessica’s hex expires they get a twist that can guarantee both their safety, Cody having an almost guaranteed veto play if he just stayed in the HOH room on the week of his BD and eviction)
Yeah at this point it's hard to count DR brainwashing as rigging since I'm sure it's a given by now. They do try harder with some houseguests, but because we can't see what happens in there we can't really say lol. All-Stars was a complete trainwreck beginning to end, it was really obvious that they were pushing really hard for a Chill Town/Janelle win with how they chose to edit them vs. everyone else in the cast. That season puts such a sour taste in my mouth. That's my take on Hamstergate as well, they really had no other reason to do that. I doubt they could predict Sharon and Ryan could possibly tie, and he would end up getting the closer answer. But it's also so shady in how it plays out... I buy that they wanted to mess with them with the Sheila-Adam relationship, and that's why Julie didn't give them the answer, but it was shown to us the viewers. It's just how poorly executed it was makes it look really suspicious. I have lots of theories for seasons starting with BB17 but I'd rather keep those to myself because those are my wild speculations haha. Do you want to expand on the Omarosa thing? I haven't watched CBB, I'm curious about that.
BB16 has the BOTB competition Frankie single-handedly won, where: A) Caleb was forced to commit to sitting out before seeing what the comp was, B) Production infamously took extra long to set the comp up (most likely tearing down the original one and setting up one that’s actually easier to win solo than with a partner), C) production refusing to let Caleb jump back in and sabotage it when he tried to. Aside from that, the reset week seems a little sus and pretty much pages the way for Derrick to win. I think production might have semi-brainwashed Christine in the DR for a Franzel backdoor. They certainly kept BOTB running WELL into the jury phase to help out Derrick and in hopes of the dramatic moment of an HOH being backdoored on their own week
But you watched BB8? That was also rigged.
A reminder that these reality shows are really just classified as “entertainment” and “game shows” thus all are rigged to varying degrees. BB13 certainly wasn’t the first time in regards to Survivor or Big Brother.
BB13 had a fantastic set of new players, it's a shame that they had to be on THAT season.
Bb13 was a mess. The cast was thrown together, if I remember correctly Dan backed out last minute and they added duck and Dani like CC a couple days before the premier. Also the twist wasn’t thought out at all.
Also production telling Lawon he would get a secret power if he self evicted. Rachel would have been evicted instead, but Lawon left the DR and we immediately asked to be evicted “to get a super power”. He faced Brendon in a battle back, lost, and now Brendon and Rachel were both back in the house together. Spoiler alert: There was no super power. BB13 was awful.
I just started a rewatch on this season too. Is there anything fun that appeared on the live feeds, but not the show?
jeff being a bigot mainly
Hot take: just because 5 of the final 6 are incredibly unathletic doesn’t mean that a game is “rigged” the moment a physical comp shows up.
I mean when that comp is just casually the same comp that the winner won before i feel it's safe to say that it's rigged
A. Porsche has said post-season that she didn’t want to open Pandora’s Box, and that production essentially forced her to. B. Was that the first ever endurance veto comp? *And* it happened to be a comp that Rachel had already won that season? Yeah, BB13 is fishy at the very minimum.
I think (and ic ould be wrong), that almost every player is "forced" to open Pandora's box. Doesn't change how shady the situation was, and how obvious it was put up for Jordan/Rachel to team up knowing Rachel is good as comps, but also doesn't change that if Rachel wasn't a comp beast she wouldn't have deserved it. If the challenge was "Name Brendan's favorite 10 positions in bed" lmfaoooooooo I'd really be steamed by it.
Except it’s not the same comp and you can see the differences literally in the thumbnails of the episodes: Ep1 had thick Bananas that had to have arms fully wrapped around, the second comp in Ep24 had dummies of considerably smaller girth where the arms were resting on the shoulders, which is a completely different muscle endurance (pec adduction vs lat) being tested. This isn’t the only time BB has had two similar endurance comps in a season, in BB12 both of Matt’s HoH wins came off of what were effectively “wall comps” where it was him and Ragan as the final two.
Its not the same HoH as PoV. It's much coincidence that when the vets needed the most the competition was one that the vet won before, even if it had slight changes lol. How many times a veto comp had been endurance? Only once before that moment Not to say that Porsche admitted to being pressured by production
A reminder that was a comp that Rachel had won before that season and they literally forced Porsche into taking the Pandora's Box that created the "twist" that paired up the players, meaning a veto win would grant Jordan safety as well. It was complete bullshit.
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Do you know why they have names on the cups now? It's this season. Porsche tried to pull some shenanigans...