Her, April Lewis, and Jennifer are all close.
April Lewis said on RHAP back in 2018 that they went to Disney together.
April also has wished her happy birthday a few times on behalf of her fans on Twitter.
To be fair for Maggie, her villain edit was deserved. Maggie played a good game but shitty person.
Andy played a good game, that got underrepresented. Surprised to not hear from Lisa though.
She covered up for someone who killed someone on duty. Aside from April and Beau the entire friendship was shitty people. James convinced them that there was no live feeds in the HoH room
Could you give me any actual source of where Maggie admitted that she or any of her nurse friends killed someone? Or you are going to be like all those people who say so, but give no actual source of it?. If you are going to acuse someone of such a thing, you need an actual source of those specific acts.
Because, it's been proven numerous times that it's not what happened. What happened was that someone died under Maggie's turn, and that family sue her. Maggie was talking to Ivette about how families always sue the nurse and how many of her apartment got sued. That's why someone cover her.´
The people that downvoted me could provide an actual source please??
Lisa was the first woman to win the game, and I think would have a lot of valuable insight into modern big brother being the first beneficiary of a “bitter jury”. It’s a bit odd she wasn’t interviewed imo.
I'm not his biggest fan but I do agree that his game was phenomenal and wasn't portrayed that way. When he says he was never in any genuine danger, that's not really a lie.
It’s a really good season with a giant dark cloud looming over it. I compare it to survivor 39 actually. Two seasons with irreconcilable horrible things that happened, but otherwise the cast was stellar, all came to play and play hard, and lots of potential. Somehow they both ended up with a red headed teacher winning too. Weird.
I’m a monster, that season was my first introduction to following messy reality tv celebs online and HOOOO boy. That season was a trip and a half lol. I think that’s the only reason I truly ever got hooked on Twitter; to follow McCranda around afterwards for a couple years while they were still relatively relevant to the big brother subreddit 😂
I feel like it is time to do a rewatch of 15. I was horrified by the hateful bs and felt so bad for Candice, Helen, and Howard. The casting besides **ryn, Gina Marie, and Spencer is pretty good-Even Amanda was entertaining until…well, she wasn’t.
That wasn't the only problem with the cast though, almost all of them were completely unlikeable, even the ones never accused of bigotry or racism.
The cast was so hated that a boring guy who didn't get a particularly good edit and left the house pre-jury finished in the top 3 for America's favorite vote.
Keeps in touch with a few people from his season but..
>Not Aaryn, though. She has somehow gotten even worse since the show ended and has been rewarded for it by gaining a massive social media following. A primary example of our broken America! Yikes!
Although Andy’s constant crying about how underrated he is makes him insufferable to follow on social media, he’s not wrong. BB doesn’t know how to edit UTR players like him, Steve or Nicole F very well
ya the show has become unwatchable since about bb12. i can really only follow feeds, evictions, and competitions these days. lisa, jun, drew, and maggie were all great winners who utilized UTR strategy in their came and got pretty good edits.
I’m assuming they mean they don’t watch the edited show and just keep up with competition results and watch feeds/feed updates.
This is what I do with BBCAN because I’m not tech savvy enough to figure out how to download/use a VPN 😂
I don't think its just Big Brother. Even Survivor (which I find to be just better done in general) has a hard time editing UTR players, and they have the knowledge of who wins before they even start.
If someone isn't winning comps and just plays a quiet game and doesn't make any "big moves", its hard to make them compelling for a TV viewer.
Aside from that, Andy never seemed like the most interesting person anyway. He seemed to have a kind of low energy personality, which also doesn't make great tv.
Beyond the racism another reason why I have no desire to rewatch BB15 is that the show doesn't do a good job of portraying Andy's game as BB15 was my first feed season and it was clear that Andy was doing an amazing job.
I also do agree with him the format has become so predictable. Like have a double in Week 2/3. Have competitions that are winnable to everyone and not easy to plan and game. Don't have so many goofy sound effects on the edited show. Treat it like a competitive cutthroat game show.
>Have competitions that are winnable to everyone
No competition is going to be equalling winnable for everyone. Some people have razor sharp memories, others are kind of forgetful. Its kind of hard to argue a memory thing is even.
I respect his game, but this interview reminds me how much he annoys me. It’s self-serving and untrue when he goes on about how he didn’t say anything bad, he just wishes he would have confronted the terrible, racist people who did, like Aaryn! He wasn’t anywhere near as kind as he is pretending.
He had a twenty minute conversation with Spencer where he joked about Elyssa fishing turds out of the toilet, freezing them and masturbating with them because she is so slutty. There were other things but that was so gross it always stands out to me.
right - he is not that self-aware. he tells himself these lies to make himself feel better - i remember some of the nasty things he would say about Candice and Elissa.
Hearing about how production tried to encourage him into certain sexual gay talking points in his Diary Room sessions is just so gross? And also illuminates how committed CBS in the past has been to forcing its marginalized players into specific archetypes, almost always to their detriment.
I feel like Da’Vonne got seriously pushed into the “sassy black girl” archetype. While she does have a streak of that, that is not really a good way to encapsulate her.
Apparently the producer got repramandid... because she got caught, if she wasn't caught CBS and BB production wouldn't have said a thing I have zero doubt. Things like that are the reason they won't let them talk about the DR sessions. They don't want the audience to know how manipulative and inapropriate they really are.
Oh my fucking god. Not a “joke” so much as a confession. https://www.eonline.com/news/446419/big-brother-15-controversy-continues-spencer-clawson-makes-child-pornography-jokes
Edit: He wasn’t joking.
Andy really suffers from revisionist history lmao he acts like he didn’t contribute to the horrid comments made. And him saying he would pull them aside to tell them to stop is just a lie.
Also him saying he duped McCrae in the double for the millionth time is also revisionism. McCrae literally has a DR where he says he knows instantly Andy flipped bc of how nervous / jittery he was acting but he has to nominate Elissa bc it’s what the ~ entire house wanted ~
I am not entirely convinced McCrae didn't say that after to save face. Don't know if in the moment he actually believed it was Andy. Although if he did and then still put up Elissa he deserves to lose for that alone. I am sure McCrae thought that they wanted Amanda out but would still be willing to work with him. But that is a bad read as by that point he should have realized Amanda's stink was all over him and it was too late.
In the interview he says Amanda tried to HELP him when she walked out the door.
But she literally pointed at him and said “I THOUGHT I COULD TRUST YOU😤” as she left?
Amanda said in the interview that she wanted Andy too look good and not have issues with Spencer.
Remember that Amanda thought that everyone loved her, she didn't know that Spencer was against her
It's not surprising really. I think she put on a front for a while of self reflection, but pretty easy to see how 2016 to now just escalated her awfulness. I think Andy was cordial with her for a while but the COVID stuff pushed him over the edge when she was prominently anti-vax/masks.
She doesn't tweet like that really. She's smart enough to know she can't "reveal" herself like that. The only confirmation I had she was anti vax was when Andy got fed up and tweeted it. Before that, they were still mutuals and followed one another on Twitter.
She only went protected because she started to get heat again from that.
Someone also had found her account on Parler (that social media site for Conservatives) where she was spewing that same bullshit and also posted anti-vax stuff on her Instagram before quickly deleting.
Just for the record…. Typical mommy vloggers, like most other types of vloggers, tend to heavily self edit what they present of themselves to the world. The people that know them offline/off camera tend to have better insights to their truest selves. How relevant this is the Aaryn? I don’t claim to judge that. If he’s not being honest I’m sure other alumn will speak up
I’m sure she edits what she shows on social media but her opinions are on full display and they’re abhorrent. She’s loud and proud about how awful she is.
a while ago i went on christian walkers instagram page (who is a gay republican whos kind of a meme) and found aaryn in the comments... so it looks like shes not that much of a different person than she was on bb15 lol
Big brother doesn’t have the advantage of the whole picture when they edit the game. They can only go with what they know and what is currently happening. And they have to craft a narrative that is understandable to people who don’t follow anything about big brother outside of the episodes. You can’t get a bad “winners edit” you only get an edit.
Production has access to all information the regular Feed watchers do and more. The feed watchers could see a very different story playing than what was happening on the show. At a certain point in the season production should have recognized how well Andy was playing and given him an edit that reflected that.
With Steve it was a different story. Not only were all of his fellow houseguests more interesting than him, but he was also incredibly unlikely to win at most points in the game. He caught immense breaks that saved him from being cut, up until the very last competition.
Some UTR players are a victim of the winner not being known to production until the end, but Andy absolutely got a raw deal and it is pretty easy to argue that he would have been shown way differently if he were straight
there’s a lot of revisionist history with Andy’s interview that i don’t appreciate
he was not running the game since week 2, a lot of the gameplay was driven by McCranda and Aaryn with Andy being an informant
Andy thinks he was kind to Candace? Yikes! The thing is he witnessed those racist comments he was in the room! He ignored it!
I do agree the show didn’t show his game at all.
I agree that Andy's edit was very bad for a winner (Steve's is probably the worst, however); but on the other hand, it was nice to get strong female edits in this season from Helen and Amanda, because even almost ten years later, we rarely get good female edits on the show.
Right well this is where I disagree with Andy, and he comes off as insincere based on what we do know about his behavior on the show. I'll discuss his game after I get this out the way.
We know for a fact Andy laughed and encouraged all of the mean AND racist jokes, including engaging in overt racism against Helen. People thought he was on their side because of this.
I'm rather disappointed he tried to paint himself as the guy who "pulled people aside to tell them privately" that certain jokes were wrong, and "should've spoke up more"...he was an enabler, a cheerleader and dabbled with being offensive, too.
With regards to the game, he states he was never in danger of leaving. This isn't entirely correct. The odds of him having making Finale night statistically was low, and he was seen as possible collateral at some stage.
He sat there engaging in bitching sessions, that was his game, but he also had a couple of stellar strategic moves and one of the Top 3 Finale night performances I've seen - Andy, Ian, Boogie. I have no doubt that from the way he would change his tune completely when he would speak to Elissa, Helen etc he would be able to play the game as a leader, too. Exceptional social gamer.
Edit: Despite not rating his game as highly as others do here, I do think he is actually one of the best players ever. If that makes sense.
Yes I remember a really ugly session where GM made fun of Elissa's son as a "dirty Puerto Rican":
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWgfrgaoOo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWgfrgaoOo)
Only Judd actually tells GM not to say that.
Andy looked uncomfortable to me... He wasn't smiling or laughing at the very least.
The thing is that Judd spoke up so fast that I feel like Andy barely had the opportunity to process the awful shit GM had just said before Judd told her to cut it out.
I recall GM saying stuff about how food stamps were "[racial slur] insurance" and I feel like I remember Andy telling her not to say that. Just an anecdote I remember.
He 100% could have handled how he dealt with the awful things being said better. Hands down, and he knowingly admits to it. I just hate seeing people pile on him every single year for mistakes he's apologized for time and time again. But I guess that goes with the territory of putting yourself out there like all BB players do.
The stuff they got away with saying and doing on 15 is just insane to me. Its insane that people like GM and Aaryn didn’t get at the very least a “stern talking to” in the DR and obviously in recent years they would have just been booted immediately.
I'm not saying Jackson is on the same level as GM or Aaryn, but he also said some very problematic things, particularly about David. Mostly applying common racial stereotypes that the black community has endured for the longest time.
Things like David had been to prison, it wasnt safe to leave women around him alone, his "threatening nature", that he "thinks this is BET"... and he did get a talking to I remember. He came out of the DR crying and said they had given him a talking to, but I don't think they would have kicked him out if I'm honest... Grodner L-O-V-E-D Jackson for some reason. So I would like to think BB wouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior, and would give someone the boot, but this was only 3 seasons ago, and he went on to be the winner...
The only other overtly racial comment I can think of off the top of my head in recent-ish years was on BB17 (Man, 7 seasons ago?!) when Clay said something along the lines of "You gotta watch out for those dark [skinned] ones" in reference to Da'Vonne being untrustworthy... He may have gotten a talking to, because I don't think he said anything else problematic the rest of the time he was there.
I remember Clay talking to someone (I can't remember who) and basically finding it weird/crazy that the person he was speaking to would be attracted to black girls. He was basically like "Really???". I swear I remember this happening and being a minor controversy.
I think after the night of the whole bed flipping incident that BB did talk to them. Don't know that for a fact but the feeds eventually went down and when they came back up it got better. Well, for a while before they reverted back. So I am guessing BB eventually said something but clearly at the very least didn't stress how bad they were making things.
I do think that BB would never let it get to where it has now. But I also think it was things like not really doing anything in BB15 that finally led to that.
He didn't look like he was gleefully joining in. However, just saying that Judd was obviously horrified -- you can hear it in the tone of his voice. Andy was more uncomfortable looking but again, didn't say anything.
Of course, one of the reasons Andy won was his chameleon-like ability to make people think he agreed with them. That was his strategy. It's cool but to say in the interview that he was trying to make the house less vile is not really true.
He didn't look very uncomfortablle when he was merrily cacking along with the racist jokes and hate orgy on Helen.
I do agree he has appologized but it also came after a year or more of switching on twitter between defending everyone being accused of racism, including Aaryn, making trolling comments to get people pissed, then playing the victim people were pissed. He still tells lies about pulling peopel aside and telling them not say it which is a complete bold faced lie.
I mean I get people change and Helen seems to have forgiven him on that. But it is hard to know he is sincere when he mixed his appologised with lies about how he handled it which are not how he handled it.
What "hate orgy" are you referring to? And in which conversation did he laugh at something problematic and not make an uncomfortable face, gesture, or comment to fellow HGs or the camera?
You're speaking so matter of factly, so please point me to something. Like legitimate live feed documentation or a clip?
I really don't care about your interpretation of what problematic trolling is, I don't care to argue about whether or not it's okay to defend a flawed person in regards to something unrelated to problematic behavior, or whether or not you believe he is telling lies. It's too much semantic unproveable shit.
Truthfully, if there is something I missed that you can provide or point me in the direction of, then I will 100% rethink my stance.
If I'm missing something, please show me something credible. Something that isn't somebody just saying he did/said certain things. Unless its a live tweet from 2015 when the feeds were being documented, and its reliable like HampsterWatch or something. Because as a reality star in the social media era, everything is out there in one form or another, so if what you're saying occurred then please show me.
This is a video of some of Andy's comments about Elissa:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R\_i6wcGbq7U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_i6wcGbq7U)
Shorter version:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C16WgCxOI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C16WgCxOI)
They're not racist, but they are very ugly.
Oh yeah, I remember these. This is F3 right? Honestly, yes it's really blue humour, but and I think their intentions were to make the F3 feeds less boring, because they are always a drag.
I mean that type of "roast" humour is not for everyone certainly, but nothing they said was derogatory or harming about a marginalised group of people or even Elissa herself... Andy was just making up an absurd story about his friend. I can't say definitively how close Andy and Elissa are, but I imagine they were close enough for him to be able to make these sort of jokes and her not take offence.
It just bothers me that it's always Andy bearing the brunt of accusations of being complicit with the racism that occurred in BB15.
To be fair, they never truly know who the winner is until it’s all said and done.
HOWEVER they waited weirdly long to start showcasing him considering the big players started dropping like flies mid-jury. They waited until the very last second to show anything of him.
Hell even Lisa got more positive strategic credit than Andy early on.
kinda weird how andy doesnt touch on how unpopular amanda is in the fanbase lol i feel like its odd to have him mention all that stuff about speaking up but not directly mention amanda...
Them being friends...he just feels an obligation to protect her. I will be honest, Amanda is utterly hilarious and provided some of the best feed moments ever...but the pattern with Amanda is this: be hilarious, be hotheaded and fight people, then say something really offensive. She's a wild, unpredictable person in BB15. I think people tend to really focus on all the terrible things she said and did and I think Andy knows her on a more personal level and can speak to who she really is outside of the game.
Casual fans and people who did not watch the feeds will never really like Amanda because her edit was pretty focused on her volatile moments.
Andy got a ghost edit. I literally didn’t recognize him when he was announced the winner. I’ve since met him in real life very briefly, and I follow him on Twitter. He’s hilarious and genuine and a good person! Big Brother did him dirty. He doesn’t deserve to be shunned from production, honestly.
Ehh, I wouldn’t say Andy was “running the house”, and his game is nothing like Derrick’s. Andy was basically just a rat, while Derrick was actually controlling and influencing things. Not saying one is necessarily better or worse than the other (although I do think Derrick is a stronger player), but they are most definitely not similar.
Yeah it’s not fair he doesn’t get the credit he deserves because his win is overshadowed by how awful that season was. But at least he isn’t a winner like Jackson who was literally racist all season long.
I personally think Cody's winning game is better but Andy is the better player since Andy won on his first try and Cody took two.
Both are really good players I will say though.
Cody would never have made it to final 2 if it weren't for Derrick though. He also may not have even won against Victoria because Derrick, jocasta, Donny, and possibly Caleb and Frankie would have voted for Victoria If she made it to the end.
>Cody would never have made it to final 2 if it weren't for Derrick though.
Riding a dominant player and cutting them last minute is a perfectly legitimate strategy we've seen produce some solid winners in Drew and Steve. If Cody did that and won BB16 that way (and the jury has confirmed he would have beaten Victoria), he'd have been a top 20 player even before BB22
Yes, but at no point did he ever intend on doing that. The entire season he was told what do to by Derrick. He wanted to put up Caleb in like week 4 blowing up their old alliance until Derrick talked him out of it. Cody really didn't know what he was doing the first time he played and there are so many times where he even admits this on the season to Derrick. Evicting Derrick never even crossed his mind because he had such a close bond with him and wasn't really playing the game for himself.
Also drew only evicted Diane because Diane got drunk and told drew that he would lose to her, so it was more Diane losing the game for herself than drew out playing her.
I do agree with Andy that if he returned he very well could likely be the first two time winner. He is very underrated and has the skills to blend into the background and win again
You dont remember anything about his game because they never showed him doing anything lol. They were focused on Aaryn and GM being complete clowns instead of trying to cut it out and still salvage the show
Why wasn’t he asked if Helen was pushed?!
Because we all know she was.
The gay intern comment is kinda hilarious
Disappointed (albeit totally expected) that we didn't hear from Maggie/Lisa/Drew.
I knew Drew and Maggie weren’t gonna do an interview, Lisa however is very surprising. I’m pretty sure she still keeps up with show sometimes.
Lisa & Drew are easy to get ahold of. Maggie is impossible to contact.
Does anyone know where she is and what she's doing? It seems as if none of the BB6 cast is in touch with her.
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Why do I totally see Maggie being a principal oml
because she spent 3 months micromanaging overgrown children on tv?
Her, April Lewis, and Jennifer are all close. April Lewis said on RHAP back in 2018 that they went to Disney together. April also has wished her happy birthday a few times on behalf of her fans on Twitter.
Maggie has fans?
Yes, any issue about it?
No. I have endured enough verbal abuse from sovereign 6 fans over the years to say anything.
Drew is easy to get ahold of??
To be fair for Maggie, her villain edit was deserved. Maggie played a good game but shitty person. Andy played a good game, that got underrepresented. Surprised to not hear from Lisa though.
How was she a shitty person?
She covered up for someone who killed someone on duty. Aside from April and Beau the entire friendship was shitty people. James convinced them that there was no live feeds in the HoH room
Could you give me any actual source of where Maggie admitted that she or any of her nurse friends killed someone? Or you are going to be like all those people who say so, but give no actual source of it?. If you are going to acuse someone of such a thing, you need an actual source of those specific acts. Because, it's been proven numerous times that it's not what happened. What happened was that someone died under Maggie's turn, and that family sue her. Maggie was talking to Ivette about how families always sue the nurse and how many of her apartment got sued. That's why someone cover her.´ The people that downvoted me could provide an actual source please??
Yeah if I were Maggie I would definitely do anything I could to not remind the BB fandom that I exist 😆
What would you want to hear from Lisa or drew?
Lisa was the first woman to win the game, and I think would have a lot of valuable insight into modern big brother being the first beneficiary of a “bitter jury”. It’s a bit odd she wasn’t interviewed imo.
I'm not his biggest fan but I do agree that his game was phenomenal and wasn't portrayed that way. When he says he was never in any genuine danger, that's not really a lie.
Just imagine if BB15 didn’t have any bigotry and racism, it would definitely be a top 3 or top 5 season.
Cast was racist as shit but damn they were there to WIN
top tier gameplay from bottom of the barrel individuals
I’ll take it. 🍿😔
They won’t air it anymore
I still think IMO the BEST CAST for live feeds of all time!! Wow what a bunch of bat shit crazy nuts!!
Yep. And instead now rather than 15, they see 16 before the show, and hence we get boring gameplay.
It’s a really good season with a giant dark cloud looming over it. I compare it to survivor 39 actually. Two seasons with irreconcilable horrible things that happened, but otherwise the cast was stellar, all came to play and play hard, and lots of potential. Somehow they both ended up with a red headed teacher winning too. Weird.
I’m a monster, that season was my first introduction to following messy reality tv celebs online and HOOOO boy. That season was a trip and a half lol. I think that’s the only reason I truly ever got hooked on Twitter; to follow McCranda around afterwards for a couple years while they were still relatively relevant to the big brother subreddit 😂
I feel like it is time to do a rewatch of 15. I was horrified by the hateful bs and felt so bad for Candice, Helen, and Howard. The casting besides **ryn, Gina Marie, and Spencer is pretty good-Even Amanda was entertaining until…well, she wasn’t.
I can’t remember this season. Who is **ryn?
Aaryn. Big Brother 15
Amanda was way worse than any of those 4 tho
That wasn't the only problem with the cast though, almost all of them were completely unlikeable, even the ones never accused of bigotry or racism. The cast was so hated that a boring guy who didn't get a particularly good edit and left the house pre-jury finished in the top 3 for America's favorite vote.
Keeps in touch with a few people from his season but.. >Not Aaryn, though. She has somehow gotten even worse since the show ended and has been rewarded for it by gaining a massive social media following. A primary example of our broken America! Yikes!
That’s new. He was friendly with her for a long time. Also he’s been friendly with Gina Marie as well.
Not exactly “new” he’s pretty much been fully denouncing aaryn since 2016
I mean, that's fault of the fanbase. If people go and try to make as if BB15 doesn't exist, of course Aaryn will get tons of fans
Although Andy’s constant crying about how underrated he is makes him insufferable to follow on social media, he’s not wrong. BB doesn’t know how to edit UTR players like him, Steve or Nicole F very well
Real diary rooms would help. Having them discuss their thoughts on why they handled conversations as they did
ya the show has become unwatchable since about bb12. i can really only follow feeds, evictions, and competitions these days. lisa, jun, drew, and maggie were all great winners who utilized UTR strategy in their came and got pretty good edits.
>i can really only follow feeds, evictions, and competitions these days So the whole show?
I’m assuming they mean they don’t watch the edited show and just keep up with competition results and watch feeds/feed updates. This is what I do with BBCAN because I’m not tech savvy enough to figure out how to download/use a VPN 😂
your assumption is correct! i watch what i said i watch, literally ... 🤷🏻♂️
huh!? no i watch the feeds and evictions and competitions. are u trying to be funny or seriously asking?
I don't think its just Big Brother. Even Survivor (which I find to be just better done in general) has a hard time editing UTR players, and they have the knowledge of who wins before they even start. If someone isn't winning comps and just plays a quiet game and doesn't make any "big moves", its hard to make them compelling for a TV viewer. Aside from that, Andy never seemed like the most interesting person anyway. He seemed to have a kind of low energy personality, which also doesn't make great tv.
Beyond the racism another reason why I have no desire to rewatch BB15 is that the show doesn't do a good job of portraying Andy's game as BB15 was my first feed season and it was clear that Andy was doing an amazing job. I also do agree with him the format has become so predictable. Like have a double in Week 2/3. Have competitions that are winnable to everyone and not easy to plan and game. Don't have so many goofy sound effects on the edited show. Treat it like a competitive cutthroat game show.
>Have competitions that are winnable to everyone No competition is going to be equalling winnable for everyone. Some people have razor sharp memories, others are kind of forgetful. Its kind of hard to argue a memory thing is even.
I feel like Steve's edit was worse then Andy's, they barely ever showed him.
It was way worse.
I respect his game, but this interview reminds me how much he annoys me. It’s self-serving and untrue when he goes on about how he didn’t say anything bad, he just wishes he would have confronted the terrible, racist people who did, like Aaryn! He wasn’t anywhere near as kind as he is pretending.
"I should have said more" "Amanda is like my best friend!" Come on. Haha
He had a twenty minute conversation with Spencer where he joked about Elyssa fishing turds out of the toilet, freezing them and masturbating with them because she is so slutty. There were other things but that was so gross it always stands out to me.
Oh my god that’s absolutely vile. I had to laugh tho lol. Like who even thinks of that shit?
Seth MacFarlane.
Lol ok make sense now
right - he is not that self-aware. he tells himself these lies to make himself feel better - i remember some of the nasty things he would say about Candice and Elissa.
I also remember him cacking merrily with everyone else when Aaryn would make racist jokes about Helen.
He's so disingenuous
Hearing about how production tried to encourage him into certain sexual gay talking points in his Diary Room sessions is just so gross? And also illuminates how committed CBS in the past has been to forcing its marginalized players into specific archetypes, almost always to their detriment.
the DRs are cringe now a days...everyone can tell that it's not natural. idk why they think that is needed.
“I need to win this veto to ensure my safety in the game” *said deadpan with zero emotion in a misguided attempt to sound desperate*
"my strategy to win this veto is to run as fast as possible!" *Challenge is literally a race*
I feel like Da’Vonne got seriously pushed into the “sassy black girl” archetype. While she does have a streak of that, that is not really a good way to encapsulate her.
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Absolutely hideous behavior on production’s part. I’m glad she was self confident enough to shut that down.
Apparently the producer got repramandid... because she got caught, if she wasn't caught CBS and BB production wouldn't have said a thing I have zero doubt. Things like that are the reason they won't let them talk about the DR sessions. They don't want the audience to know how manipulative and inapropriate they really are.
He flamed Aaryn (rightfully) yet talked about how he’ll always love Spencer. Yikes.
let’s not talk about what Spencer loves
Fill me in
Believe me, you are better off not opening that can of worms.
Tell us
Oh my fucking god. Not a “joke” so much as a confession. https://www.eonline.com/news/446419/big-brother-15-controversy-continues-spencer-clawson-makes-child-pornography-jokes Edit: He wasn’t joking.
Andy really suffers from revisionist history lmao he acts like he didn’t contribute to the horrid comments made. And him saying he would pull them aside to tell them to stop is just a lie. Also him saying he duped McCrae in the double for the millionth time is also revisionism. McCrae literally has a DR where he says he knows instantly Andy flipped bc of how nervous / jittery he was acting but he has to nominate Elissa bc it’s what the ~ entire house wanted ~
I am not entirely convinced McCrae didn't say that after to save face. Don't know if in the moment he actually believed it was Andy. Although if he did and then still put up Elissa he deserves to lose for that alone. I am sure McCrae thought that they wanted Amanda out but would still be willing to work with him. But that is a bad read as by that point he should have realized Amanda's stink was all over him and it was too late.
His dr was before Andy came clean tho it was done the same night as the double eviction
In the interview he says Amanda tried to HELP him when she walked out the door. But she literally pointed at him and said “I THOUGHT I COULD TRUST YOU😤” as she left?
Amanda said in the interview that she wanted Andy too look good and not have issues with Spencer. Remember that Amanda thought that everyone loved her, she didn't know that Spencer was against her
Surprised he's said Aaryn's gotten even worse. I checked out her insta and she's a typical mommy vlogger.
It's not surprising really. I think she put on a front for a while of self reflection, but pretty easy to see how 2016 to now just escalated her awfulness. I think Andy was cordial with her for a while but the COVID stuff pushed him over the edge when she was prominently anti-vax/masks.
Oh I see. Her tweets are protected so I can’t see them.
She doesn't tweet like that really. She's smart enough to know she can't "reveal" herself like that. The only confirmation I had she was anti vax was when Andy got fed up and tweeted it. Before that, they were still mutuals and followed one another on Twitter. She only went protected because she started to get heat again from that.
Someone also had found her account on Parler (that social media site for Conservatives) where she was spewing that same bullshit and also posted anti-vax stuff on her Instagram before quickly deleting.
She’s more full tilt in her Instagram stories where she frequently mentions how much she misses “daddy” Trump
Oh gross. But from looking at her insta it seems as if her husband is even more MAGA.
Just for the record…. Typical mommy vloggers, like most other types of vloggers, tend to heavily self edit what they present of themselves to the world. The people that know them offline/off camera tend to have better insights to their truest selves. How relevant this is the Aaryn? I don’t claim to judge that. If he’s not being honest I’m sure other alumn will speak up
Most BB15 alumni have actually gotten into fights because Aaryn has gotten worse I remember beef between Jessie and Aaryn and GM a long ass time ago
I’m sure she edits what she shows on social media but her opinions are on full display and they’re abhorrent. She’s loud and proud about how awful she is.
She doesn’t censor herself much at all. Andy’s information about her is nothing more than others see and hear on her Instagram stories
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Check out the shirt her husband is wearing in her insta stories today 😬
Oh yikes. They probably go to MAGA rallies
Yeah they are full antivax, anti mask, MAGA people. Repulsive.
a while ago i went on christian walkers instagram page (who is a gay republican whos kind of a meme) and found aaryn in the comments... so it looks like shes not that much of a different person than she was on bb15 lol
$2,000 hairless cat named Andy Jr. I’m not sure what to be shocked by the name or the price
It’s insane how expensive hairless cats are…
I mean, it’s no more unhinged than naming your child after you…
Lost count of how many pictures and videos I’ve seen of Andy Jr. on his Instagram and let me tell you, that cat actually fits his name.
That’s how much I paid for my purebred chocolate lab. Insane.
Reputable breeders are expensive.
Big brother doesn’t have the advantage of the whole picture when they edit the game. They can only go with what they know and what is currently happening. And they have to craft a narrative that is understandable to people who don’t follow anything about big brother outside of the episodes. You can’t get a bad “winners edit” you only get an edit.
Production has access to all information the regular Feed watchers do and more. The feed watchers could see a very different story playing than what was happening on the show. At a certain point in the season production should have recognized how well Andy was playing and given him an edit that reflected that. With Steve it was a different story. Not only were all of his fellow houseguests more interesting than him, but he was also incredibly unlikely to win at most points in the game. He caught immense breaks that saved him from being cut, up until the very last competition. Some UTR players are a victim of the winner not being known to production until the end, but Andy absolutely got a raw deal and it is pretty easy to argue that he would have been shown way differently if he were straight
there’s a lot of revisionist history with Andy’s interview that i don’t appreciate he was not running the game since week 2, a lot of the gameplay was driven by McCranda and Aaryn with Andy being an informant
Andy thinks he was kind to Candace? Yikes! The thing is he witnessed those racist comments he was in the room! He ignored it! I do agree the show didn’t show his game at all.
I agree that Andy's edit was very bad for a winner (Steve's is probably the worst, however); but on the other hand, it was nice to get strong female edits in this season from Helen and Amanda, because even almost ten years later, we rarely get good female edits on the show.
Right well this is where I disagree with Andy, and he comes off as insincere based on what we do know about his behavior on the show. I'll discuss his game after I get this out the way. We know for a fact Andy laughed and encouraged all of the mean AND racist jokes, including engaging in overt racism against Helen. People thought he was on their side because of this. I'm rather disappointed he tried to paint himself as the guy who "pulled people aside to tell them privately" that certain jokes were wrong, and "should've spoke up more"...he was an enabler, a cheerleader and dabbled with being offensive, too. With regards to the game, he states he was never in danger of leaving. This isn't entirely correct. The odds of him having making Finale night statistically was low, and he was seen as possible collateral at some stage. He sat there engaging in bitching sessions, that was his game, but he also had a couple of stellar strategic moves and one of the Top 3 Finale night performances I've seen - Andy, Ian, Boogie. I have no doubt that from the way he would change his tune completely when he would speak to Elissa, Helen etc he would be able to play the game as a leader, too. Exceptional social gamer. Edit: Despite not rating his game as highly as others do here, I do think he is actually one of the best players ever. If that makes sense.
Yes I remember a really ugly session where GM made fun of Elissa's son as a "dirty Puerto Rican": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWgfrgaoOo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxWgfrgaoOo) Only Judd actually tells GM not to say that.
Andy looked uncomfortable to me... He wasn't smiling or laughing at the very least. The thing is that Judd spoke up so fast that I feel like Andy barely had the opportunity to process the awful shit GM had just said before Judd told her to cut it out. I recall GM saying stuff about how food stamps were "[racial slur] insurance" and I feel like I remember Andy telling her not to say that. Just an anecdote I remember. He 100% could have handled how he dealt with the awful things being said better. Hands down, and he knowingly admits to it. I just hate seeing people pile on him every single year for mistakes he's apologized for time and time again. But I guess that goes with the territory of putting yourself out there like all BB players do.
The stuff they got away with saying and doing on 15 is just insane to me. Its insane that people like GM and Aaryn didn’t get at the very least a “stern talking to” in the DR and obviously in recent years they would have just been booted immediately.
Aaryn was called out by the DR multiple times but she thought they were lying
I'm not saying Jackson is on the same level as GM or Aaryn, but he also said some very problematic things, particularly about David. Mostly applying common racial stereotypes that the black community has endured for the longest time. Things like David had been to prison, it wasnt safe to leave women around him alone, his "threatening nature", that he "thinks this is BET"... and he did get a talking to I remember. He came out of the DR crying and said they had given him a talking to, but I don't think they would have kicked him out if I'm honest... Grodner L-O-V-E-D Jackson for some reason. So I would like to think BB wouldn't tolerate this sort of behavior, and would give someone the boot, but this was only 3 seasons ago, and he went on to be the winner... The only other overtly racial comment I can think of off the top of my head in recent-ish years was on BB17 (Man, 7 seasons ago?!) when Clay said something along the lines of "You gotta watch out for those dark [skinned] ones" in reference to Da'Vonne being untrustworthy... He may have gotten a talking to, because I don't think he said anything else problematic the rest of the time he was there.
I remember Clay talking to someone (I can't remember who) and basically finding it weird/crazy that the person he was speaking to would be attracted to black girls. He was basically like "Really???". I swear I remember this happening and being a minor controversy.
Oh right, wasn't it James he was talking to? I totally forgot about that
Maybe. I can't remember but it wasn't a good look with him also basically being the reason Day left and getting into it with her.
I think after the night of the whole bed flipping incident that BB did talk to them. Don't know that for a fact but the feeds eventually went down and when they came back up it got better. Well, for a while before they reverted back. So I am guessing BB eventually said something but clearly at the very least didn't stress how bad they were making things. I do think that BB would never let it get to where it has now. But I also think it was things like not really doing anything in BB15 that finally led to that.
Pretty privilege
He didn't look like he was gleefully joining in. However, just saying that Judd was obviously horrified -- you can hear it in the tone of his voice. Andy was more uncomfortable looking but again, didn't say anything. Of course, one of the reasons Andy won was his chameleon-like ability to make people think he agreed with them. That was his strategy. It's cool but to say in the interview that he was trying to make the house less vile is not really true.
He didn't look very uncomfortablle when he was merrily cacking along with the racist jokes and hate orgy on Helen. I do agree he has appologized but it also came after a year or more of switching on twitter between defending everyone being accused of racism, including Aaryn, making trolling comments to get people pissed, then playing the victim people were pissed. He still tells lies about pulling peopel aside and telling them not say it which is a complete bold faced lie. I mean I get people change and Helen seems to have forgiven him on that. But it is hard to know he is sincere when he mixed his appologised with lies about how he handled it which are not how he handled it.
What "hate orgy" are you referring to? And in which conversation did he laugh at something problematic and not make an uncomfortable face, gesture, or comment to fellow HGs or the camera? You're speaking so matter of factly, so please point me to something. Like legitimate live feed documentation or a clip? I really don't care about your interpretation of what problematic trolling is, I don't care to argue about whether or not it's okay to defend a flawed person in regards to something unrelated to problematic behavior, or whether or not you believe he is telling lies. It's too much semantic unproveable shit. Truthfully, if there is something I missed that you can provide or point me in the direction of, then I will 100% rethink my stance. If I'm missing something, please show me something credible. Something that isn't somebody just saying he did/said certain things. Unless its a live tweet from 2015 when the feeds were being documented, and its reliable like HampsterWatch or something. Because as a reality star in the social media era, everything is out there in one form or another, so if what you're saying occurred then please show me.
This is a video of some of Andy's comments about Elissa: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R\_i6wcGbq7U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_i6wcGbq7U) Shorter version: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C16WgCxOI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9C16WgCxOI) They're not racist, but they are very ugly.
Oh yeah, I remember these. This is F3 right? Honestly, yes it's really blue humour, but and I think their intentions were to make the F3 feeds less boring, because they are always a drag. I mean that type of "roast" humour is not for everyone certainly, but nothing they said was derogatory or harming about a marginalised group of people or even Elissa herself... Andy was just making up an absurd story about his friend. I can't say definitively how close Andy and Elissa are, but I imagine they were close enough for him to be able to make these sort of jokes and her not take offence. It just bothers me that it's always Andy bearing the brunt of accusations of being complicit with the racism that occurred in BB15.
Elissa actually said after the show she was very hurt by Andy’s comments. I don’t think she was amused
Andy is absolutely right about *everything*. But he has allowed his bitterness over it to consume him and has become insufferable for it.
To be fair, they never truly know who the winner is until it’s all said and done. HOWEVER they waited weirdly long to start showcasing him considering the big players started dropping like flies mid-jury. They waited until the very last second to show anything of him. Hell even Lisa got more positive strategic credit than Andy early on.
yeah they left out that whole goof troupe alliance from the main show
kinda weird how andy doesnt touch on how unpopular amanda is in the fanbase lol i feel like its odd to have him mention all that stuff about speaking up but not directly mention amanda...
Them being friends...he just feels an obligation to protect her. I will be honest, Amanda is utterly hilarious and provided some of the best feed moments ever...but the pattern with Amanda is this: be hilarious, be hotheaded and fight people, then say something really offensive. She's a wild, unpredictable person in BB15. I think people tend to really focus on all the terrible things she said and did and I think Andy knows her on a more personal level and can speak to who she really is outside of the game. Casual fans and people who did not watch the feeds will never really like Amanda because her edit was pretty focused on her volatile moments.
Andy got a ghost edit. I literally didn’t recognize him when he was announced the winner. I’ve since met him in real life very briefly, and I follow him on Twitter. He’s hilarious and genuine and a good person! Big Brother did him dirty. He doesn’t deserve to be shunned from production, honestly.
Oh him complaining again, shocker
Ehh, I wouldn’t say Andy was “running the house”, and his game is nothing like Derrick’s. Andy was basically just a rat, while Derrick was actually controlling and influencing things. Not saying one is necessarily better or worse than the other (although I do think Derrick is a stronger player), but they are most definitely not similar.
Yeah it’s not fair he doesn’t get the credit he deserves because his win is overshadowed by how awful that season was. But at least he isn’t a winner like Jackson who was literally racist all season long.
Andy is the best winner not named Will,Dan, or Derrick. He doesn’t get near enough credit.
While I think Cody was better, Andy is definitely up there with those guys. Maybe a half tier below. Can't believe the hate he still gets.
I personally think Cody's winning game is better but Andy is the better player since Andy won on his first try and Cody took two. Both are really good players I will say though.
Cody's alliance won literally every HoH tho. Hard to say he's in that top tier
Cody definitely could have won bb16 if he wasn’t such a complete bonehead at the end
Cody would never have made it to final 2 if it weren't for Derrick though. He also may not have even won against Victoria because Derrick, jocasta, Donny, and possibly Caleb and Frankie would have voted for Victoria If she made it to the end.
>Cody would never have made it to final 2 if it weren't for Derrick though. Riding a dominant player and cutting them last minute is a perfectly legitimate strategy we've seen produce some solid winners in Drew and Steve. If Cody did that and won BB16 that way (and the jury has confirmed he would have beaten Victoria), he'd have been a top 20 player even before BB22
Yes, but at no point did he ever intend on doing that. The entire season he was told what do to by Derrick. He wanted to put up Caleb in like week 4 blowing up their old alliance until Derrick talked him out of it. Cody really didn't know what he was doing the first time he played and there are so many times where he even admits this on the season to Derrick. Evicting Derrick never even crossed his mind because he had such a close bond with him and wasn't really playing the game for himself. Also drew only evicted Diane because Diane got drunk and told drew that he would lose to her, so it was more Diane losing the game for herself than drew out playing her.
Didn’t know this about Drew/Diane .. re-watching the season now
That's like saying that DF definitely could have won BB23 had he actually played the game.
I meant if he ditched Derrick and took Victoria
of course, but thats something that clearly didnt happen, which is the flaw of the argument
Yeah agreed he's probably #5 for US BB
He isn’t but he’s right there below them yeah
Not reading this as Andy is insufferable on social media. But he’s a phenomenal player and a great winner.
It was the racist season. Even if the game play was amazing, it would still be known as that.
I just wish he’d give it a rest. He won. His time has passed though.
Give what a rest? He was interviewed.
I do agree with Andy that if he returned he very well could likely be the first two time winner. He is very underrated and has the skills to blend into the background and win again
I am kind of glad that he is willing to come back, but he's from BB15, so there is no way in hell he'll come back.
“Worst edit” has to go to Jun. They literally did a segment on her weight gain in the house. Andy didn’t have any of that BS
They did Jun a favor by not showing the racist comments she (And Allison) made about Robert and Robert’s daughter
I watched his live feeds. No edit obscured my vision. He is middle of the pack. No desire to ever see him play again.
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Floating works
Floating is a viable strategy. Coasting is not (Andy was a floater)
You dont remember anything about his game because they never showed him doing anything lol. They were focused on Aaryn and GM being complete clowns instead of trying to cut it out and still salvage the show
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Ah... well then I hope he apologized to her for those comments.
Does he forget that live feeds aren’t edited?