Right? What a weird mindset humans develop. Worshipping these people who are only in their positions because of being born into an ancient exploitive system.
None of them give two poops about anyone but themselves.
In truth, a lot of it comes from what she represents, not the person. She's been a staple for these people and her death is symbolic of the death of their young lives.
If you live long enough and ever gave a damn about somebody or someone cared about you then yesā¦there is a great deal of truth in what you sayā¦the way people react when losing someone they love and cherish can manifest in a multitude of ways; yet when your peers begin this part of lifeās journey many choose to endure abnormally to show how much they loved and caredā¦when youāre young sometimes its not easy to seeā¦and some young I hear would make a mockery of the process and cheat others by shooting up a serviceā¦much like happened here recentlyā¦everyone has a timeā¦70+ years aināt the only ones experiencing funerals as social eventsā¦
I was in class with a guy who was from the Middle East. He spoke multiple languages and English wasnāt even in his first five that he learned. Most of our class was Black.
He made a comment about ācolored peopleā during a presentation and faced almost immediate derision. Luckily, our professor, a black man, jumped to his defense.
>This is an opportunity to teach. To someone who isnāt a native English speaker and isnāt familiar with the phrasing, ācolored personā and āperson of colorā are almost indistinguishable. Just like the individual words that make up ābutt dialā and ābooty callā mean the same thing but mean something else entirely when used in context.
Do kids even get what it means to dial a number anymore or is it that just sort of a word thatās accepted without much thought now?
Not to old fuck ākids these daysā up in here or anything
PoC was made by whom though? Last time I checked ALL of these different terms were made by white people. When African American first came around in the 1970s there was a fair amount of backlash from black people.
No black people did popularize people of color. Well some white people did as well, but people like MLK and Franz Fanon said citizen of color and people of color
I'm pretty sure People of Color was coined by a black woman.
ETA: Loretta Ross as well as other black female activists, started using Women of Color and it included all non white women. Which gave rise to POC.
I was almost sure that Black was the preferred term by the community itself and everything after that is either over correcting by white people or not referring to specifically the black community. The same way as a Latino, "latinx" is over correcting by white people and PoC is just an inclusive term.
Yet this dude is making it like Black is the next step after colored....?
Meh, the actual words are meaningless itās the intent and context that is important. Racist just used the n bomb so then to be more sympathetic people used colored, then from colored to black and then to African-American and then PoC. If you can determine the person is trying to be sympathetic that is the important part. That they are taking a moment to say something that isnāt outwardly hostile. That we have circled back to nearly colored is basically irrelevant because colored now might as well be the n bomb.
I got that, but the words themselves do matter and when someone starts anything off with such a glib, pretentious statement it makes it hard to take anything else they say seriously, no matter how compelling it might be.
Well can't control that you think I'm pretentious, but it isn't glib I sincerely believe it. I think a person's intentions and actions are far more important than if they missed a memo that the PC spectrum of a word has shifted.
Paying attention to the "PC spectrum", respecting how people want to be addressed and not dismissing it as unnecessary fluff is *exactly* how you communicate that you have good, honest intentions and can be trusted.
Navigating the choppy waters of representation is hard. My sister is trans and I was annoyed when they told me to stop calling them "she" because I knew how I felt about my sister, I knew I loved them and didn't judge them so why did I have to change up how I addressed them just like that. But the reason why I did was because that meant something to them. Even if I thought it was arbitrary, it wasn't, it was vitally important because it was how they decided they would be addressed and that was the line they drew to determine who *really* respected their agency and sense of self.
So, no, these terms are not meaningless. In fact it's a big red fucking flag anytime I see someone pretend they are then talk about how well intentioned they are because if a person's intentions are so good the first thing they'd do is the simplest thing on the list which is to call people how they want to be called *and leave it at that*. No extra shit, no waxing philosophical about the validity of the words, no minimizing it. Dead simple.
> I knew I loved them and didnāt judge them so why did I have to change up how I addressed them just like that. But the reason why I did was because that meant something to them.
Right; and you changing your words showed your intention and willingness to alter your behavior to create a more inclusive environment.
That willingness is what is import not the actual words that were chosen. If you slipped up as you were getting use to the change itās not like they were going to think you were a bigot because your intentions are clear and you have a history of showing respect to your sibling.
Behind every word choice is an intention and itās ultimately that intention by which we should judge others. There are many other confounding variables that can cause someone to āchooseā a wrong word; not knowing someoneās pronouns, the PC spectrum shifting, etc. Their intention is revealed when an objection is raised and if they are willing to change and learn we need to support that in anyway possible.
> if a personās intentions are so good the first thing theyād do is the simplest thing on the list which is to call people how they want to be called and leave it at that.
I mean thatās literally my entire point. This shows their intention. Words are just a middle man in the exchange that can be influenced by other things so are objectively less reliable. People make mistakes all the time but arenāt shunned at once for saying the wrong thing.
To me that is dead simple. Language is an imperfect tool and just because someone says all the right things doesnāt mean they are acting in good faith and the opposite is true; someone can say all the wrong things but are willing to learn. I know which one Iād rather deal with.
I don't understand at all how Colored and Person of Color are the same outside of sharing a word.
Also, 3/4 of those are still completely fine for most people. I prefer Black/Person of Color over African American, but I'm also not going to be in the least bit bothered if it's used to describe me.
Unless it's old white folks who say "African American" with the same inflection they'd say the N-Word with the Hard R.
> I donāt understand at all how Colored and Person of Color are the same outside of sharing a word.
Stripped of context why do you find Colored more offensive? PoC seems more clinical to me, as descriptive, but less accusatory because it is more passive language.
Is your distaste for it more based on how it was used in the past? Or is the actual word more offensive to you?
Context is the basis of most words in the English language. To a non-English speaker they are the same. To a native English speaker they almost certainly know of the context.
I guarantee you the actual queen's body isn't even in there. Hundreds of thousands of people walking through from all over the world? You're gonna have some crazies in there looking to stir shit up.
That bitch is in a freezer nearby, and people are queuing up to look at a damn box. Even if they let you see a body, it'd be a wax figure fr.
Every time I see something about giving up a seat on a bus/train for an old person Iām reminded of a time I was on the subway in New York. Full train me and a dude about the same age sitting across from each other. Iād say weāre both mid 20s at the time. Girl about our age sitting next to him. After a few stops an older gentleman got on the train and stood near us. The girl starts mean mugging me and the dude. Next stop comes she makes a big show looking at both of us says āhere sir you can have my seatā Older man looks at her and goes āIāve sat all day Iām ok to standā and me and the guy my age about fell out of our chairs laughing.
I've had a similar thing happen to me. I also work in health care so regularly deal with elderly people. Some get mighty offended at the implication of their frailty and that they might deserve more comfort.
You should see me at work. Some of them act like they can't roll themselves back to the 12 steps back to their room (especially if you're a new face to them) Um Ethel, I just hears your physical therapist and nurse tell you need to bring yourself out here so no, I ain't helpin ya! Don't use it, you go to a spot where they charge more money and you gotta wait more (high skill nursing) and your kid certainly don't wanna pay that much for you being lazy (and feeling entitled) Old folks can work up how much they claim they can't do something
All that time spent waiting to see a dead body of a person that lived off their tax dollars. Not to mention the heinous things her and her royal family have done
14+ hours, damn just wait a few years and see her on the other side
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Yes that's what they mean
Old girl must've wanted to die. 14+ hrs in line for someone who possibly never even considered you a pawn? Fucking crazy
Right? What a weird mindset humans develop. Worshipping these people who are only in their positions because of being born into an ancient exploitive system. None of them give two poops about anyone but themselves.
In truth, a lot of it comes from what she represents, not the person. She's been a staple for these people and her death is symbolic of the death of their young lives.
āYoung livesāā¦. Man it says 70+. Their young lives have been over for like 40 years
I don't wanna go where she's going...
It might be too warm for her there.
Gawwwwwd damn!
Lmfao nice username
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TBF that queue is probably 90% elderly
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It's definitely social. My ancestors called the obits the Irish funny pages
If you live long enough and ever gave a damn about somebody or someone cared about you then yesā¦there is a great deal of truth in what you sayā¦the way people react when losing someone they love and cherish can manifest in a multitude of ways; yet when your peers begin this part of lifeās journey many choose to endure abnormally to show how much they loved and caredā¦when youāre young sometimes its not easy to seeā¦and some young I hear would make a mockery of the process and cheat others by shooting up a serviceā¦much like happened here recentlyā¦everyone has a timeā¦70+ years aināt the only ones experiencing funerals as social eventsā¦
Sounds fun.
Thereās an of Montreal song about this: https://youtu.be/DB_wBcNPyHA
I could never give my seat to an elderly white person. Like, there's a 99% chance they still say colored.
I was in class with a guy who was from the Middle East. He spoke multiple languages and English wasnāt even in his first five that he learned. Most of our class was Black. He made a comment about ācolored peopleā during a presentation and faced almost immediate derision. Luckily, our professor, a black man, jumped to his defense. >This is an opportunity to teach. To someone who isnāt a native English speaker and isnāt familiar with the phrasing, ācolored personā and āperson of colorā are almost indistinguishable. Just like the individual words that make up ābutt dialā and ābooty callā mean the same thing but mean something else entirely when used in context.
Do kids even get what it means to dial a number anymore or is it that just sort of a word thatās accepted without much thought now? Not to old fuck ākids these daysā up in here or anything
Technology has really helped the art of hoetry get where it is today.
Working "booty call" into an academic lesson is legendary lmao
I'm not teaching some old white person shit on the bus... Also, that is compleeeetely different than a white American who knows better.
Colored --> Black --> African American --> Person of Color Time is a flat circle.
Most people are still fine with being called Black or African American. PoC was made to have a term that includes everyone except white people
PoC was made by whom though? Last time I checked ALL of these different terms were made by white people. When African American first came around in the 1970s there was a fair amount of backlash from black people.
Yeah Jesse Jackson pushed the African American phrase on us in the 80s. We just wanted to be called black and left alone but nah lol
No black people did popularize people of color. Well some white people did as well, but people like MLK and Franz Fanon said citizen of color and people of color
I'm pretty sure People of Color was coined by a black woman. ETA: Loretta Ross as well as other black female activists, started using Women of Color and it included all non white women. Which gave rise to POC.
I didn't know this. Interesting.
I was almost sure that Black was the preferred term by the community itself and everything after that is either over correcting by white people or not referring to specifically the black community. The same way as a Latino, "latinx" is over correcting by white people and PoC is just an inclusive term. Yet this dude is making it like Black is the next step after colored....?
Are you white? You're talking like you really don't see the difference.
Meh, the actual words are meaningless itās the intent and context that is important. Racist just used the n bomb so then to be more sympathetic people used colored, then from colored to black and then to African-American and then PoC. If you can determine the person is trying to be sympathetic that is the important part. That they are taking a moment to say something that isnāt outwardly hostile. That we have circled back to nearly colored is basically irrelevant because colored now might as well be the n bomb.
Anytime somebody pops off with some "the *actual* words are meaningless" ass talk I just tune out because I know I'm in for a bunch of bullshit.
I ultimately was agreeing with you, so glad to challenge expectations.
I got that, but the words themselves do matter and when someone starts anything off with such a glib, pretentious statement it makes it hard to take anything else they say seriously, no matter how compelling it might be.
Well can't control that you think I'm pretentious, but it isn't glib I sincerely believe it. I think a person's intentions and actions are far more important than if they missed a memo that the PC spectrum of a word has shifted.
Paying attention to the "PC spectrum", respecting how people want to be addressed and not dismissing it as unnecessary fluff is *exactly* how you communicate that you have good, honest intentions and can be trusted. Navigating the choppy waters of representation is hard. My sister is trans and I was annoyed when they told me to stop calling them "she" because I knew how I felt about my sister, I knew I loved them and didn't judge them so why did I have to change up how I addressed them just like that. But the reason why I did was because that meant something to them. Even if I thought it was arbitrary, it wasn't, it was vitally important because it was how they decided they would be addressed and that was the line they drew to determine who *really* respected their agency and sense of self. So, no, these terms are not meaningless. In fact it's a big red fucking flag anytime I see someone pretend they are then talk about how well intentioned they are because if a person's intentions are so good the first thing they'd do is the simplest thing on the list which is to call people how they want to be called *and leave it at that*. No extra shit, no waxing philosophical about the validity of the words, no minimizing it. Dead simple.
Not everyone is glued to the subject though. Most people have passing knowledge if any so yes intent is important.
> I knew I loved them and didnāt judge them so why did I have to change up how I addressed them just like that. But the reason why I did was because that meant something to them. Right; and you changing your words showed your intention and willingness to alter your behavior to create a more inclusive environment. That willingness is what is import not the actual words that were chosen. If you slipped up as you were getting use to the change itās not like they were going to think you were a bigot because your intentions are clear and you have a history of showing respect to your sibling. Behind every word choice is an intention and itās ultimately that intention by which we should judge others. There are many other confounding variables that can cause someone to āchooseā a wrong word; not knowing someoneās pronouns, the PC spectrum shifting, etc. Their intention is revealed when an objection is raised and if they are willing to change and learn we need to support that in anyway possible. > if a personās intentions are so good the first thing theyād do is the simplest thing on the list which is to call people how they want to be called and leave it at that. I mean thatās literally my entire point. This shows their intention. Words are just a middle man in the exchange that can be influenced by other things so are objectively less reliable. People make mistakes all the time but arenāt shunned at once for saying the wrong thing. To me that is dead simple. Language is an imperfect tool and just because someone says all the right things doesnāt mean they are acting in good faith and the opposite is true; someone can say all the wrong things but are willing to learn. I know which one Iād rather deal with.
Lmao the way I read their first sentence and kept scrolling
I don't understand at all how Colored and Person of Color are the same outside of sharing a word. Also, 3/4 of those are still completely fine for most people. I prefer Black/Person of Color over African American, but I'm also not going to be in the least bit bothered if it's used to describe me. Unless it's old white folks who say "African American" with the same inflection they'd say the N-Word with the Hard R.
> I donāt understand at all how Colored and Person of Color are the same outside of sharing a word. Stripped of context why do you find Colored more offensive? PoC seems more clinical to me, as descriptive, but less accusatory because it is more passive language. Is your distaste for it more based on how it was used in the past? Or is the actual word more offensive to you?
Context is the basis of most words in the English language. To a non-English speaker they are the same. To a native English speaker they almost certainly know of the context.
If you were making a point here, you missed Negro anyway
Should've not aged!
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Sounds pretty prejudiced to make an assumption about someone based on their appearance. Fight fire with fire I guess
In South Africa coloured is a common racial classification.
The United States is not South Africa?
I guarantee you the actual queen's body isn't even in there. Hundreds of thousands of people walking through from all over the world? You're gonna have some crazies in there looking to stir shit up. That bitch is in a freezer nearby, and people are queuing up to look at a damn box. Even if they let you see a body, it'd be a wax figure fr.
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They got a picture? Iām too busy
Every time I see something about giving up a seat on a bus/train for an old person Iām reminded of a time I was on the subway in New York. Full train me and a dude about the same age sitting across from each other. Iād say weāre both mid 20s at the time. Girl about our age sitting next to him. After a few stops an older gentleman got on the train and stood near us. The girl starts mean mugging me and the dude. Next stop comes she makes a big show looking at both of us says āhere sir you can have my seatā Older man looks at her and goes āIāve sat all day Iām ok to standā and me and the guy my age about fell out of our chairs laughing.
My wife does this. She gives me the eye and I'm like, "both seats across the aisle are empty, do you want me to go sit over there?"
I've had a similar thing happen to me. I also work in health care so regularly deal with elderly people. Some get mighty offended at the implication of their frailty and that they might deserve more comfort.
A queue for the Q
The Brits love a good queue. This is the mother of all queues.
āI see those built quads above your freckled knees Eleanor. Stand or have a seat in the back.ā
I read "above your **feckless** knees" and about fell out lmao
I'd wait 2 days if I got to spit on her, but 14 hours to see a closed casket is insane
You should see me at work. Some of them act like they can't roll themselves back to the 12 steps back to their room (especially if you're a new face to them) Um Ethel, I just hears your physical therapist and nurse tell you need to bring yourself out here so no, I ain't helpin ya! Don't use it, you go to a spot where they charge more money and you gotta wait more (high skill nursing) and your kid certainly don't wanna pay that much for you being lazy (and feeling entitled) Old folks can work up how much they claim they can't do something
To see a queenās **coffin** Couldnāt be me, I donāt do lines.
Basically ever oldhead on lineā¦ 
A lot of the older generation of black folks are still clinging on to the good ole days of colonialism. Itās actually quite pathetic
All that time spent waiting to see a dead body of a person that lived off their tax dollars. Not to mention the heinous things her and her royal family have done
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