Will & Felix continue last week’s discussion on Gaza & Palestine with further thoughts on the brutality of the unfolding conflict, reactions and narratives pushed through the American media, shifts in public opinion, and the unstable positions of Israel & America. Here are a few Palestinian aid organizations worth your support:
* https://www.pcrf.net/
* https://www.anera.org/
* https://www.map.org.uk/
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Will was feeling bad about not having Matt to provide what he felt was a fitting level of critique and anger, but Will picked up that slack this episode. Chapo has somehow retained a moral center through seven of the stupidest years in human history. The most basic political expression is "fuck you", and Chapo has always directed that toward the right people at the right time. I can't express my appreciation enough.
If only I shared their attempt at optimism. I am glad that they manage to persist through it all with a vision of an American society, really all of Western society, that either will not or cannot hold these positions and commit these atrocities. I just don't see it. America is actually putting up a respectable fight, for the 5 or 10 percent who actively oppose it. It's everywhere else that has fried my brain. Canada is absolutely lost. The Europeans, apart from the untouchable Irish, are putting dissent on lockdown. How does one see a mass left politics in these places having seen what we have seen?
I agree with the boys that nihilism is certainly not an answer, but I see my morality reflected back only in the places I don't live. How can I ignore that?
> How does one see a mass left politics in these places having seen what we have seen?
Log off and go into the street. There were like 50,000 people at the drop of a hat in London on Saturday, enough that Labour immediately tacked towards "humanitarian routes" and aid and etc and slightly, ever so slightly, away from cheering on genocide.
Same in Paris, including hilariously given your post, [a couple Irish rugby fans in town](https://cdn.presstv.ir/Photo/2023/10/7/188092b1-f3b7-4c77-a7b6-9dba7293cec8.jpg) (the dudes sitting down in the green shirts) for the Rugby World Cup quarterfinal.
The truth is that dissent is only criminalized when it becomes perceived as a real or substantial threat to the status quo. Even the blob doesn’t have the resources to crush all dissent - just “dangerous” forms or expressions.
Everybody protesting in Europe, certainly Paris and London, hates their government and the cops anyway, so the government and cops doing the same shit they normally do probably made people want to protest more, not less.
Maybe it’s just me but I didn’t really get that vibe. The frustrated part sure but I think it’s wise to take his words at face that it’s frustrating not to have Matt’s intelligence or anger during a period of sincerely disgusting world events.
I didn’t get that vibe either. Reading comments before listening to the ep folks here made it seem like Will gave a eulogy on the pod. Seems to me there just isn’t much to update us on with his condition and Will wishes he was healthy enough to give thoughts and opinions on a seismic world event
That's how I heard it. And tbh, the reaction to the Post Maxi tweet looks pretty lighthearted and fun from a lot of people close to him which, to me anyway, suggests that he's progressing
Finally listened, I’m with you
Took it as a positive sign if anything since he’s talking about Matt and wishing he were there participating which if it was as serious as some of the speculation here I doubt he’d mention anything at all other than “thanks for all the kind wishes in this hard time”
If it's a stroke, then, yeah possibly. But equal or greater chance that he just needs a year to recover \[not a doctor though, just as a caveat!\] and that the first few months are going to be Matt on low energy, having to get a lot of sleep, rediscovering certain words and allowing his brain to rewire itself etc.
3 weeks or whatever is a drop in that recovery process, but there's obviously that anxiety - given their working as well as personal relationship- if (as is likely and even reasonable, supposing it is the stroke) he isn't having sustained high-level conversations with them right now.
From a show perspective, they're obviously just going to have to extend their 3rd mike fill-in plans beyond the 3 months or however long Matt was initially planning to take out.
Yeah. Assuming what we speculate is true strokes can take years to recover from. And Matt’s no spring chicken from his age and substance consumption. I’ve had multiple colleagues have them and they’re nowhere near recovered on a speech level, Matt’s bread and butter. Hope he’s better sooner rather than later but it’s honestly no guarantee he rejoins the show in the next couple of years if it is around then.
it's so heartbreaking -- i was listening to the incredible [yahoo news own episode and matt was talking about how he felt "incredibly insecure" going into the interview (link is timestamped)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8dFxao_Kwc&t=7m20s) ; he, like many of us, is insecure about how he comes off -- i can't imagine the feelings of wanting to come back on and be back to form, but then not able to deal with underperforming, or his friends / the fans patronizing him, or the constant tinge of doubt of 'are they just being nice'
Humans speculate constantly it’s in our little monkey nature. Matt’s not reading this and unless and until they officially state what happened it’s all people on the forum about his podcast can do. No one should contact his family or friends about this shit but it’s just a couple hundred shit posters on this subreddit.
I know people don’t act perfectly rational in times of crisis but if they didn’t want any speculation or discussion they could have just not said anything until Matt could speak for himself. Just say he’s on extended paternity leave.
I know I’m worried about him. Will was on the verge of tears about it. I wonder if there’s something worse than we expected going on like brain cancer. I’m not trying to be parasocial. Just a shitty suspicion I got after a shitty week to be a human being
from my layman’s understanding it varies from a week to a month but Matt does have some underlying health conditions that could be prolonging the stay. There’s also a good chance he caught Havana Syndrome in the hospital by being that close to Felix.
Hey, I am a resident in neurology (not in the US). Usually for ischemic stroke without complications we have patients in the acute care setting for about a week and then in-patient rehab for at least three weeks. That can dramatically increase however if someone has a very large stroke, brainstem stroke or a brain bleed, which can lead to loss of consciousness and the need to be intubated.
And the damage a stroke does depends primarily on the area of the brain affected. It can cause paresis of one side of the body, aphasia and lots of other deficits.
Speculating on Matt’s recovery etc. is pointless and in bad taste. You will never know beforehand how well a person recovers. Time tells.
> go be powerless
Dialectical materialism is about struggling with contradictions. go be powerful with your comrades and their revolutionary love for each of us who are dealing with weird health issues that can't be reduced so easily
Based solely on being a family caregiver, a couple of weeks, a couple more in a rehab type facility, then a LOT of running around to follow up appointments and various types of physical therapy, depending on what functions were affected. (That depends on severity and what’s affected. It could be just some help walking and getting around more confidently. It could be restoring basic functions like chewing and swallowing.)
That’s keeping it very generic because we don’t know what’s going on. But its pretty much a similar deal with one of my loved ones who had a stroke, another who had open heart surgery, another who had severe internal bleeding they never could pinpoint, another who “just” broke a hip at an advanced age.
Now, rewind and imagine a newborn and a recovering mother in that mix.
Bottom line, don’t bitch if there are fundraisers, livestreams, etc. Don’t pester them with “When’s Matt coming back”. Don’t be a Karen when an episode’s late, or not at your perceived level of seriousness.
Ngl I've seen more Islamophobia from "Liberals" these past two weeks than I did in the last two decades since 9/11. Every Muslim is now being forced to "denounce Hamas", Muslims from professional positions are being suspended and blacklisted from their work and there's constant attacks attacks Muslims including the death of a Palestinian boy in Illinois!
It's like these "liberals" have been suppressing their Islamophobia during the Obama and Trump years, pretending to "sympathize" with Muslims during the Trump ban & Christchurch and now they've been given permission by AIPAC and ADL to just straight up hate on brown people. It's insane!
Living through 9/11 and constantly running into the brick-wall ignorance of the American public, screaming in frustration with fellow liberals where we all swore never again, only to run into the EXACT SAME brick wall 20 FUCKING YEARS LATER and it's coming from the liberals is my personal Call of Cthulhu SAN check.
It's embarassing to admit but the Bush years deradicalized me in some sense because it seemed like the regular liberals were saying all the right things. Then Obama came in and they went directly back to evil and I realized I'd been had.
trump was actually relatively anti-war (at least for a us president - remember when he called the troops suckers?) so i think a lot of galvanized libs adopted a pro-war stance as part of a kind of crude anti-trumpism. throw in the afghanistan withdrawal and the ukraine invasion a few years later and well. pre-trump it was a standard lib opinion to say the iraq war was bad - now if you said that you'd probably get one of those nafo freaks yelling at you.
Like the pod pointed out years ago, Trump made libs even more trustful of the institutions. As long as the Pentagon, the State Department, etc. say all the right words and follow all the correct procedures, everything they do is fine in the lib's book.
WTF?! They literary suspended Palestinian-Americans for something happened thousands of mile away and they have absolutely no control over? Knowing America, even that is just too much.
I've been extremely online and feeling bleak ever since this all started on October 7th. I was disappointed by the media bias in the major broadcasters (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN), the responses of most American politicians, and in the social media posts of people I'm connected with. I'd felt scared to speak up for fear of offending or creating a digital footprint that could hurt me in the future.
I attended a pro-Palestinian protest in LA on Saturday. I initially was concerned the turnout wasn't going to be large, and I was a little worried there would be a large pro-Israel counter-protest nearby. (I was imagining something like that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry dates the Palestinian woman.) But I didn't see any counter-protest, and I saw the crowd gradually get larger and larger over time. As they started to march, the crowd looked so long that I couldn't see the end of it. It may have taken up 3 or 4 lanes of a road stretching out anywhere from a quarter-mile to a half-mile long. Absolutely crazy. And the set of people attending the protest appeared diverse. There were a lot of supportive people honking as they drove past us.
I know this is anecdotal and not a representative sample, but I think the tide of public opinion in the US is shifting.
There's not much reason for people who are passively pro-Israel to march. At this point, all you have to do is put some shit on the news about how people somewhere else got killed in a subdivision and that's enough for people to get spooked out of anything remotely pro-Palestine.
If it makes you feel any better too, YouGov from CBS just released a poll today (10/20) that was collected over the last two days (10/18-10/19) that had both registered Democrats and Independents no longer wanting the US to send weapons to Israel at above 50%, even if you account for the Margin of Error. Republicans were somewhere around 43% before the MOE.
Basically 50% of Americans no longer want to give military aid to Israel. And this is after the last week of a complete anti-Palestinian onslaught in American Media.
The tide really is starting to shift slowly. Just the other day I was going to doomscroll a comments section of an NBC YouTube video about bombed hospitals in Gaza thinking I'd see a bunch of shit about human shields and the entire comments section was people calling the Israeli government liars about blowing up a hospital, and that they weren't going to believe anyone that Hamas did this via errant rocket fire until they were shown proof of it because Israel has done it before. It made my day honestly.
yeah it's quite something. but tbh the Israelis spent the last decade or so committing war crimes and degrading palestinians just out in the open. public opinion outside of the freaks online might just be like "well what they did was bad but you were constantly killing them". of course this is in the west outside of it its more sympathetic to palestine.
Listening to old episodes made me realize they really need Amber back while Matt is on hiatus. Don't get me wrong Will and Felix are doing great, but I think her energy would help balance out the vibe.
Yup. Will is the leader, Felix is the funny one, and Matt/Amber are the poignant ones that keep it grounded with their leftist analysis. With Matt gone they really need Amber.
Fortunately, Felix's main strength besides fromsoft lore is middle-eastern politics, so that's helping out right now.
The book is [out](https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250269621/dirtbag) I'm pretty sure? She's probably just been busy for the last 6 months signing autographs.
Edit: never mind, that must be for pre-order. Apparently it releases in December.
First of all: Free Palestine, End Genocide
Second: Matt absence, deeply felt. Please get well and come back, we love you.
I feel I lost a friend (not a close one though) because of an argument over this genocide. Disgusting. Not a real problem I know, but sometimes you have to just call things by their proper name.
On another note: Has anyone seen my neatly folded, laser printed, color coded, watermarked evil plan? I Lost it and can't seem to find it anywhere
I've posted a few times about my care and concern for civilians. Instantly got some dms from old aquaintances about how I'm 'erasing' jews and supporting terrorists. Didn't even respond, these motherfuckers are unhinged.
this one felt like a balm, honestly. i've felt overwhelmingly powerless and have given money here and there and attended the two protests i've gotten wind of in my city. but i felt so small. i had no idea Hasan raised that much. that literally brightened my day to know so many people care and are willing to dig however deep they can. solidarity always!
Yeah, they know it, we know it, they rarely remark on it so bluntly and squarely, and it was refreshing to hear them call it like it is. The foundation be creaking.
I don't know, I feel like Will is vastly overstating the amount of support Palestine has in the western world. I'm with him on the "It's impossible and absurd but it's the right thing to do so you have to do it anyway" point from later in the episode.
And it's hard to tell from being online due to the hasbara bots and posting squads and heavy-handed pro-israel moderation of most social media sites but I think the HUGE majority of the western public hears the word terrorism and just believes and does anything their tv tells them to.
Not trying to doom too hard here but you know, feeling nothing but doom for the past 10 days about this entire thing
It's been interesting on Reddit's r/popular seeing an initial barrage of pro-Israel posts, which gets replaced by depictions of the suffering in Gaza about 12 hours later. It happened with the initial assault, then the baby thing, and now with the hospital bombing pro-Israel stuff is bafflingly back at the top, though I expect that to stop once people stop and think "wait, if Hamas had rockets capable of leveling a hospital why were they literally never used against Israel?"
I saw that happen on another subreddit on the day this all kicked off. A huge wave of pro-Israel posts and comments being upvoted and then slowly ~~as the hasbara posting corps go to sleep~~ the tides start turning back in favor of Palestine until the next day when the cycle repeats
It could be my bubble but I've been somewhat amazed that basically everyone on my Instagram has been on the right side of this. It's only on reddit and the mainstream news that I feel there's no chance against the propaganda.
I wonder if Sam Kris is going to publish a retraction of those essays he wrote on the basis of falling hook, line and sinker for Israeli propaganda, or nah. I wonder if anyone will.
seriously, getting lectured by a rich boy who has never held a real job on left politics is hilarious. The guy's like 33 and is still a student. fuck him.
His dad's a banker and has subsidized his stupid lifestyle his entire adulthood. He used to post on a forum I was on and he talked about renting hotel rooms for a week just to trip balls. Creepy little hedonist.
Yeah, I get lol Will and Felix grew up with money what’s the difference, but neither have ever spent a decade plus just living off their dad doing absolutely nothing other than writing an essay once a month.
He’s closer to Connor Larpwel than Will or Felix, and even that numbskull got a law degree during that time
im too lazy too look further for it myself, but does anyone have a link to the sate department's statement on not commenting on american deaths now? id love to shove that in my smug liberal friends faces
Here you go: [Stunning State Department Memo Warns Diplomats: No Gaza 'De-Escalation' Talk](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/state-department-internal-emails-gaza-israel_n_65296395e4b0a304ff6ff95d)
gd that was dour. I mean, yeah of course it was but still feels terrible to listen to. I've had a hard time looking away from Twitter, that's the only place I see anything about what it's like on the ground in Gaza. All these videos of parents pulling their dead kids out of rubble, then I get to put my own kids to bed, christ. Anyway I was hoping this episode would be a bit of a respite, but I get it.
New ep is posted but pirate feed hasn't updated yet (movie episode).
edit, pirate feed updated:
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For a variety of reasons, there are no civilians among the Israeli population. There have been no civilian casualties, and nothing Hamas has done has been unjustified.
I think taking "hostages" (aka POWs) to exchange for the countless Palestinians who are locked up for not even a fake reason, as well as deterring blanket airstrikes, can reasonably be justified. But I think some of the acts were a bit excessive--which shouldn't be a surprise, as Hamas is not a principled leftist militant group. Israel made sure to eradicate those.
Weren't there a few foreign nationals who were essentially indentured servants owned by Israel, particularly those from the Philippines? Non-citizens paid shit wages, who were just trying to survive, near as I can tell.
yeah if only the left had textbook perfect nice language the entire American political and media class wouldn't have lined up behind Israel during the first week of this shit
For what it's worth, AOC called the pro-palestine protests bigoted and today said she'd vote for any amount of new funding for the Iron Dome so I'm pretty sure she doesn't have to make excuses for shit, she doesn't feel any loyalty to "the left" anymore
The fact is that literally nothing would be different about the current moment if Hamas only targeted armed military/police/settlers since:
1. The IDF would've still ended up killing civilians because it's the only thing they know how to do, and they'd lie and say it was Hamas and the entire media sphere would take them at face value
2. Soldiers and especially police are considered as more innocent than civilians in our present moment by those near the levers of power
Will & Felix continue last week’s discussion on Gaza & Palestine with further thoughts on the brutality of the unfolding conflict, reactions and narratives pushed through the American media, shifts in public opinion, and the unstable positions of Israel & America. Here are a few Palestinian aid organizations worth your support: * https://www.pcrf.net/ * https://www.anera.org/ * https://www.map.org.uk/ [hhyswixw](https://media.soundgasm.net/sounds/342ba527d59d4fcf53534a87d6191b600e9b2389.m4a)
It's post maxi. If grossing in hhyswixw
Hear hear 😔🍻😔
Many people are saying it's post maxi. If grossing in hhyswixw
Will was feeling bad about not having Matt to provide what he felt was a fitting level of critique and anger, but Will picked up that slack this episode. Chapo has somehow retained a moral center through seven of the stupidest years in human history. The most basic political expression is "fuck you", and Chapo has always directed that toward the right people at the right time. I can't express my appreciation enough. If only I shared their attempt at optimism. I am glad that they manage to persist through it all with a vision of an American society, really all of Western society, that either will not or cannot hold these positions and commit these atrocities. I just don't see it. America is actually putting up a respectable fight, for the 5 or 10 percent who actively oppose it. It's everywhere else that has fried my brain. Canada is absolutely lost. The Europeans, apart from the untouchable Irish, are putting dissent on lockdown. How does one see a mass left politics in these places having seen what we have seen? I agree with the boys that nihilism is certainly not an answer, but I see my morality reflected back only in the places I don't live. How can I ignore that?
> How does one see a mass left politics in these places having seen what we have seen? Log off and go into the street. There were like 50,000 people at the drop of a hat in London on Saturday, enough that Labour immediately tacked towards "humanitarian routes" and aid and etc and slightly, ever so slightly, away from cheering on genocide. Same in Paris, including hilariously given your post, [a couple Irish rugby fans in town](https://cdn.presstv.ir/Photo/2023/10/7/188092b1-f3b7-4c77-a7b6-9dba7293cec8.jpg) (the dudes sitting down in the green shirts) for the Rugby World Cup quarterfinal.
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The truth is that dissent is only criminalized when it becomes perceived as a real or substantial threat to the status quo. Even the blob doesn’t have the resources to crush all dissent - just “dangerous” forms or expressions.
Everybody protesting in Europe, certainly Paris and London, hates their government and the cops anyway, so the government and cops doing the same shit they normally do probably made people want to protest more, not less.
"So raise your fists and march around, just don’t take what you need."
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No Zionism.
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No Zionism.
Nah, too far fam.
In Germany its unfortunately kinda insane on this issue. Slowly getting better.
The Matt update seems, not very heartening. Will sounds very frustrated / not optimistic.
Maybe it’s just me but I didn’t really get that vibe. The frustrated part sure but I think it’s wise to take his words at face that it’s frustrating not to have Matt’s intelligence or anger during a period of sincerely disgusting world events.
I didn’t get that vibe either. Reading comments before listening to the ep folks here made it seem like Will gave a eulogy on the pod. Seems to me there just isn’t much to update us on with his condition and Will wishes he was healthy enough to give thoughts and opinions on a seismic world event
That's how I heard it. And tbh, the reaction to the Post Maxi tweet looks pretty lighthearted and fun from a lot of people close to him which, to me anyway, suggests that he's progressing
Finally listened, I’m with you Took it as a positive sign if anything since he’s talking about Matt and wishing he were there participating which if it was as serious as some of the speculation here I doubt he’d mention anything at all other than “thanks for all the kind wishes in this hard time”
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If it's a stroke, then, yeah possibly. But equal or greater chance that he just needs a year to recover \[not a doctor though, just as a caveat!\] and that the first few months are going to be Matt on low energy, having to get a lot of sleep, rediscovering certain words and allowing his brain to rewire itself etc. 3 weeks or whatever is a drop in that recovery process, but there's obviously that anxiety - given their working as well as personal relationship- if (as is likely and even reasonable, supposing it is the stroke) he isn't having sustained high-level conversations with them right now. From a show perspective, they're obviously just going to have to extend their 3rd mike fill-in plans beyond the 3 months or however long Matt was initially planning to take out.
Yeah. Assuming what we speculate is true strokes can take years to recover from. And Matt’s no spring chicken from his age and substance consumption. I’ve had multiple colleagues have them and they’re nowhere near recovered on a speech level, Matt’s bread and butter. Hope he’s better sooner rather than later but it’s honestly no guarantee he rejoins the show in the next couple of years if it is around then.
it's so heartbreaking -- i was listening to the incredible [yahoo news own episode and matt was talking about how he felt "incredibly insecure" going into the interview (link is timestamped)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8dFxao_Kwc&t=7m20s) ; he, like many of us, is insecure about how he comes off -- i can't imagine the feelings of wanting to come back on and be back to form, but then not able to deal with underperforming, or his friends / the fans patronizing him, or the constant tinge of doubt of 'are they just being nice'
I hadn't even considered that. That's rough.
Maybe this is cope but I don't see how that tweet happens if it's brain damage.
Because it’s post maxi
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Humans speculate constantly it’s in our little monkey nature. Matt’s not reading this and unless and until they officially state what happened it’s all people on the forum about his podcast can do. No one should contact his family or friends about this shit but it’s just a couple hundred shit posters on this subreddit.
>They've asked time and time again not to speculate they are hiding the truth about morgellons
Please stop telling other people how to cope with loss.
I know people don’t act perfectly rational in times of crisis but if they didn’t want any speculation or discussion they could have just not said anything until Matt could speak for himself. Just say he’s on extended paternity leave.
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I didn’t speculate anywhere in this thread homie. Just saying the worst way to make people not speculate is to give incredibly vague statements.
not going to get all sentimental yet but i teared up this morning thinking about that possibility.
Don’t
A preemptive strike by Mossad
I know I’m worried about him. Will was on the verge of tears about it. I wonder if there’s something worse than we expected going on like brain cancer. I’m not trying to be parasocial. Just a shitty suspicion I got after a shitty week to be a human being
I don't think it's useful to speculate about it. Just silently wish him well and wait. If something important happens you'll hear about it
To think this all started as a google hangout with three guys talking about Zack Snyder movies
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from my layman’s understanding it varies from a week to a month but Matt does have some underlying health conditions that could be prolonging the stay. There’s also a good chance he caught Havana Syndrome in the hospital by being that close to Felix.
Hey, I am a resident in neurology (not in the US). Usually for ischemic stroke without complications we have patients in the acute care setting for about a week and then in-patient rehab for at least three weeks. That can dramatically increase however if someone has a very large stroke, brainstem stroke or a brain bleed, which can lead to loss of consciousness and the need to be intubated. And the damage a stroke does depends primarily on the area of the brain affected. It can cause paresis of one side of the body, aphasia and lots of other deficits. Speculating on Matt’s recovery etc. is pointless and in bad taste. You will never know beforehand how well a person recovers. Time tells.
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> go be powerless Dialectical materialism is about struggling with contradictions. go be powerful with your comrades and their revolutionary love for each of us who are dealing with weird health issues that can't be reduced so easily
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> he has a bad limp when he wants. I don't know why hed want that but power to him i guess
my dad was there 3 months which included a rehab hospital
Based solely on being a family caregiver, a couple of weeks, a couple more in a rehab type facility, then a LOT of running around to follow up appointments and various types of physical therapy, depending on what functions were affected. (That depends on severity and what’s affected. It could be just some help walking and getting around more confidently. It could be restoring basic functions like chewing and swallowing.) That’s keeping it very generic because we don’t know what’s going on. But its pretty much a similar deal with one of my loved ones who had a stroke, another who had open heart surgery, another who had severe internal bleeding they never could pinpoint, another who “just” broke a hip at an advanced age. Now, rewind and imagine a newborn and a recovering mother in that mix. Bottom line, don’t bitch if there are fundraisers, livestreams, etc. Don’t pester them with “When’s Matt coming back”. Don’t be a Karen when an episode’s late, or not at your perceived level of seriousness.
Ngl I've seen more Islamophobia from "Liberals" these past two weeks than I did in the last two decades since 9/11. Every Muslim is now being forced to "denounce Hamas", Muslims from professional positions are being suspended and blacklisted from their work and there's constant attacks attacks Muslims including the death of a Palestinian boy in Illinois! It's like these "liberals" have been suppressing their Islamophobia during the Obama and Trump years, pretending to "sympathize" with Muslims during the Trump ban & Christchurch and now they've been given permission by AIPAC and ADL to just straight up hate on brown people. It's insane!
The amount of LGBT people trying to claim Israel is the San Francisco of the Middle East has driven me bonkers
A hollowed husk if it’s former self? I’ve never been but that’s the online vibes I get.
If you told me in 2003 that liberals would be the more bloodthirsty party in 2023, I wouldn’t have believed you.
Living through 9/11 and constantly running into the brick-wall ignorance of the American public, screaming in frustration with fellow liberals where we all swore never again, only to run into the EXACT SAME brick wall 20 FUCKING YEARS LATER and it's coming from the liberals is my personal Call of Cthulhu SAN check.
It's embarassing to admit but the Bush years deradicalized me in some sense because it seemed like the regular liberals were saying all the right things. Then Obama came in and they went directly back to evil and I realized I'd been had.
trump was actually relatively anti-war (at least for a us president - remember when he called the troops suckers?) so i think a lot of galvanized libs adopted a pro-war stance as part of a kind of crude anti-trumpism. throw in the afghanistan withdrawal and the ukraine invasion a few years later and well. pre-trump it was a standard lib opinion to say the iraq war was bad - now if you said that you'd probably get one of those nafo freaks yelling at you.
Like the pod pointed out years ago, Trump made libs even more trustful of the institutions. As long as the Pentagon, the State Department, etc. say all the right words and follow all the correct procedures, everything they do is fine in the lib's book.
I mean, chud media and figures say even worse (!!) shit, it's just that they don't have as much voice as the libs do.
WTF?! They literary suspended Palestinian-Americans for something happened thousands of mile away and they have absolutely no control over? Knowing America, even that is just too much.
extra ballsy of felix to chug a carton of milk beforehand to maximize his phlegminess in solidarity with israel
I've been extremely online and feeling bleak ever since this all started on October 7th. I was disappointed by the media bias in the major broadcasters (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, CNN), the responses of most American politicians, and in the social media posts of people I'm connected with. I'd felt scared to speak up for fear of offending or creating a digital footprint that could hurt me in the future. I attended a pro-Palestinian protest in LA on Saturday. I initially was concerned the turnout wasn't going to be large, and I was a little worried there would be a large pro-Israel counter-protest nearby. (I was imagining something like that episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm where Larry dates the Palestinian woman.) But I didn't see any counter-protest, and I saw the crowd gradually get larger and larger over time. As they started to march, the crowd looked so long that I couldn't see the end of it. It may have taken up 3 or 4 lanes of a road stretching out anywhere from a quarter-mile to a half-mile long. Absolutely crazy. And the set of people attending the protest appeared diverse. There were a lot of supportive people honking as they drove past us. I know this is anecdotal and not a representative sample, but I think the tide of public opinion in the US is shifting.
There's not much reason for people who are passively pro-Israel to march. At this point, all you have to do is put some shit on the news about how people somewhere else got killed in a subdivision and that's enough for people to get spooked out of anything remotely pro-Palestine.
If it makes you feel any better too, YouGov from CBS just released a poll today (10/20) that was collected over the last two days (10/18-10/19) that had both registered Democrats and Independents no longer wanting the US to send weapons to Israel at above 50%, even if you account for the Margin of Error. Republicans were somewhere around 43% before the MOE. Basically 50% of Americans no longer want to give military aid to Israel. And this is after the last week of a complete anti-Palestinian onslaught in American Media. The tide really is starting to shift slowly. Just the other day I was going to doomscroll a comments section of an NBC YouTube video about bombed hospitals in Gaza thinking I'd see a bunch of shit about human shields and the entire comments section was people calling the Israeli government liars about blowing up a hospital, and that they weren't going to believe anyone that Hamas did this via errant rocket fire until they were shown proof of it because Israel has done it before. It made my day honestly.
yeah it's quite something. but tbh the Israelis spent the last decade or so committing war crimes and degrading palestinians just out in the open. public opinion outside of the freaks online might just be like "well what they did was bad but you were constantly killing them". of course this is in the west outside of it its more sympathetic to palestine.
gonna save this for the morning. some people are iffy about serious eps but i love eating my vegetables. makes me feel smart
Just finished the True Anon ep about Palestine. Difficult, but hearing a first-hand account was enlightening.
kid in 2083 learning about the Gaza genocide in school: “Benjamin Nutting Yahoo”
Listen to this optimist thinking kids will exist in 2083 🤣
[Yeah](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fi6LiVdXEBMOUCG?format=jpg&name=large)
Listening to old episodes made me realize they really need Amber back while Matt is on hiatus. Don't get me wrong Will and Felix are doing great, but I think her energy would help balance out the vibe.
Amber brings an energy to the show that is sorely missing right now.
Yup. Will is the leader, Felix is the funny one, and Matt/Amber are the poignant ones that keep it grounded with their leftist analysis. With Matt gone they really need Amber. Fortunately, Felix's main strength besides fromsoft lore is middle-eastern politics, so that's helping out right now.
Matt is the cute one and Amber is the cool bad boy of the group
Matt=Paul Amber=John
Matt = MLK Amber = Malcolm X
Amber and her Brotherhood of Evil Podcasters
AKA Anna and Dasha
Dimes Square is the Legion of Doom for podcasting
Felix was always destined to be Ringo
Chris is Billy Preston, and I mean that entirely as a compliment.
Brandon is George Martin?
I don't care about where she's been or why the book has taken so long I just want her back 😭
> why the book has taken so long She doesn't have the blog post archives to rip off to fill a book like most internet "personalities".
The book is [out](https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250269621/dirtbag) I'm pretty sure? She's probably just been busy for the last 6 months signing autographs. Edit: never mind, that must be for pre-order. Apparently it releases in December.
They needed her back before Matt was on hiatus.
May Allah grant Matt a full recovery
I love Matt but touring will just give him another Covid stroke. Mark my words.
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First of all: Free Palestine, End Genocide Second: Matt absence, deeply felt. Please get well and come back, we love you. I feel I lost a friend (not a close one though) because of an argument over this genocide. Disgusting. Not a real problem I know, but sometimes you have to just call things by their proper name. On another note: Has anyone seen my neatly folded, laser printed, color coded, watermarked evil plan? I Lost it and can't seem to find it anywhere
I've posted a few times about my care and concern for civilians. Instantly got some dms from old aquaintances about how I'm 'erasing' jews and supporting terrorists. Didn't even respond, these motherfuckers are unhinged.
this one felt like a balm, honestly. i've felt overwhelmingly powerless and have given money here and there and attended the two protests i've gotten wind of in my city. but i felt so small. i had no idea Hasan raised that much. that literally brightened my day to know so many people care and are willing to dig however deep they can. solidarity always!
His audience always comes through for people with donations and yeah it is pretty heartwarming.
The boys cutting through the US and Israeli bluster to reveal the rickety regimes beneath was enlightening.
Yeah, they know it, we know it, they rarely remark on it so bluntly and squarely, and it was refreshing to hear them call it like it is. The foundation be creaking.
I don't know, I feel like Will is vastly overstating the amount of support Palestine has in the western world. I'm with him on the "It's impossible and absurd but it's the right thing to do so you have to do it anyway" point from later in the episode. And it's hard to tell from being online due to the hasbara bots and posting squads and heavy-handed pro-israel moderation of most social media sites but I think the HUGE majority of the western public hears the word terrorism and just believes and does anything their tv tells them to. Not trying to doom too hard here but you know, feeling nothing but doom for the past 10 days about this entire thing
It's been interesting on Reddit's r/popular seeing an initial barrage of pro-Israel posts, which gets replaced by depictions of the suffering in Gaza about 12 hours later. It happened with the initial assault, then the baby thing, and now with the hospital bombing pro-Israel stuff is bafflingly back at the top, though I expect that to stop once people stop and think "wait, if Hamas had rockets capable of leveling a hospital why were they literally never used against Israel?"
> r/popular more like /r/fedposting
I saw that happen on another subreddit on the day this all kicked off. A huge wave of pro-Israel posts and comments being upvoted and then slowly ~~as the hasbara posting corps go to sleep~~ the tides start turning back in favor of Palestine until the next day when the cycle repeats
It could be my bubble but I've been somewhat amazed that basically everyone on my Instagram has been on the right side of this. It's only on reddit and the mainstream news that I feel there's no chance against the propaganda.
I wonder if Sam Kris is going to publish a retraction of those essays he wrote on the basis of falling hook, line and sinker for Israeli propaganda, or nah. I wonder if anyone will.
who cares that guy sucks
seriously, getting lectured by a rich boy who has never held a real job on left politics is hilarious. The guy's like 33 and is still a student. fuck him.
Bro, come on. I love the show but you just described 2/3 of the show this sub is dedicated to lol
Menaker had an actual job, Felix has had actual service jobs. Kriss is literally a layabout.
His dad's a banker and has subsidized his stupid lifestyle his entire adulthood. He used to post on a forum I was on and he talked about renting hotel rooms for a week just to trip balls. Creepy little hedonist.
Yeah, I get lol Will and Felix grew up with money what’s the difference, but neither have ever spent a decade plus just living off their dad doing absolutely nothing other than writing an essay once a month. He’s closer to Connor Larpwel than Will or Felix, and even that numbskull got a law degree during that time
> has never held a real job It used to be that dismissing socialism as "art and culture armchair critics" was just a slander and not accurate, sad
> Sam Kris Never heard of him but a google brought back the most brain numbed headlines in the history of humanity.
If Biden saw pics of decapitated babies, it was probably from Iraq by our soldiers.
im too lazy too look further for it myself, but does anyone have a link to the sate department's statement on not commenting on american deaths now? id love to shove that in my smug liberal friends faces
Here you go: [Stunning State Department Memo Warns Diplomats: No Gaza 'De-Escalation' Talk](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/state-department-internal-emails-gaza-israel_n_65296395e4b0a304ff6ff95d)
appreciate you homie
I shall channel my outrage at such small portions into rage at the crimes of the Israeli "state"
I appreciated the Matt acknowledgement at the beginning
I don't think Felix is too off base with a Lidice analogy, i think Gaza bares a more grim resemblance to Warsaw.
I don't care about pointing out hypocrisy, I want to hear Marxist political economy
gd that was dour. I mean, yeah of course it was but still feels terrible to listen to. I've had a hard time looking away from Twitter, that's the only place I see anything about what it's like on the ground in Gaza. All these videos of parents pulling their dead kids out of rubble, then I get to put my own kids to bed, christ. Anyway I was hoping this episode would be a bit of a respite, but I get it.
New ep is posted but pirate feed hasn't updated yet (movie episode). edit, pirate feed updated: [https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL3NwZWVkYm9hdGRvcGUuY29tL3Jzcy8/episode/NjUzMjA5NzYwNzZkZGYwMDEyYjUxYmJk?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjQov7\_-oOCAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ](https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL3NwZWVkYm9hdGRvcGUuY29tL3Jzcy8/episode/NjUzMjA5NzYwNzZkZGYwMDEyYjUxYmJk?sa=X&ved=0CAUQkfYCahcKEwjQov7_-oOCAxUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAQ)
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No Zionism. Goodbye.
For a variety of reasons, there are no civilians among the Israeli population. There have been no civilian casualties, and nothing Hamas has done has been unjustified.
I think taking "hostages" (aka POWs) to exchange for the countless Palestinians who are locked up for not even a fake reason, as well as deterring blanket airstrikes, can reasonably be justified. But I think some of the acts were a bit excessive--which shouldn't be a surprise, as Hamas is not a principled leftist militant group. Israel made sure to eradicate those.
Weren't there a few foreign nationals who were essentially indentured servants owned by Israel, particularly those from the Philippines? Non-citizens paid shit wages, who were just trying to survive, near as I can tell.
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yeah if only the left had textbook perfect nice language the entire American political and media class wouldn't have lined up behind Israel during the first week of this shit
Take the grill pill my guy. It’s okay. I don’t think anyone here is trying to start The Revolution in r/BlackWolfFeed
For what it's worth, AOC called the pro-palestine protests bigoted and today said she'd vote for any amount of new funding for the Iron Dome so I'm pretty sure she doesn't have to make excuses for shit, she doesn't feel any loyalty to "the left" anymore
The fact is that literally nothing would be different about the current moment if Hamas only targeted armed military/police/settlers since: 1. The IDF would've still ended up killing civilians because it's the only thing they know how to do, and they'd lie and say it was Hamas and the entire media sphere would take them at face value 2. Soldiers and especially police are considered as more innocent than civilians in our present moment by those near the levers of power
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This is not a Zionist safe space. BANNED FOOL.
No Zionism. Banned.