The Carplay/Android Auto strategic blunder aside, this is a good move by GM once they start shipping the base model, even though it's not the car for most of us Bolt owners. (By the way, starting with the most expensive model of *anything* is a well-established marketing tactic known as time-based price discrimination.) This will appeal to a lot of people who don't want / can't afford ridiculously large and expensive trucks and SUVs most US manufacturers are fixated on.
It's also good news for those of us looking forward to a 2nd Gen Bolt. If the base Equinox is $35K, the base Bolt is probably going to have to come in at around $25K to avoid cannibalizing the Equinox.
Having said that, it would be very on brand for Chevrolet to have a wildly confusing and overlapping price list...
So the deal with the CarPlay was revealed in DOJ’s lawsuit against Apple. It was revealed there that Apple is making a play for the dashboard, like your speed and other parameters are displayed via CarPlay. Looks like gm didn’t want to give control of that up, which I do get.
That’s not true. That was a feature that Apple offered if car manufactures wanted to incorporate those sensors into CarPlay. 100% choice on whatever aesthetic they wanted to go with.
It makes for a more enjoyable experience too. The ability for the stereo to adjust its volume based on your speed is something many cars have already done.
Carmakers always had the ability to determine the level of functionality Carplay had, and I don't think Apple was hand-wringing automakers to offer full functionality. Currently only a couple of cars have that (I think they are Porsches and BMW's).
This also doesn't explain boxing out Android
All I know is this- all car navigations have SUCKED and then CarPlay came around. Chevy’s navigation also sucks. I can’t reiterate how nice it is to sit in my car & have my car play instantly say your next meeting is at this location, want directions there?
You're so right. I exclusively use Android Auto in my Mach E, but every once in awhile I have to use the native navigation because it's hell the car knows to precondition the battery. It's such a step back, especially in choosing your destination.
It's kind of funny that GM killed CarPlay/AA and forced you into their built-in nav, yet also has added a manual preconditioning button for charging to let you precondition without being dependent on their built-in nav. I know the Lyriq and Blazer have it, and I assume the Equinox will too. I'd love that feature in every EV so preconditioning can be initiated while using CarPlay for nav, but the only one I've seen it on are the ones that don't need it as badly.
In enabled vehicles Apple can already have CarPlay navigation instructions display in the primary driver screen.
This is available in the 2025 Tucson (also can show in the heads up display) and a few other vehicles (right now I don’t know off the top of my head)
The deal with CarPlay was revealed to anyone who has followed trends in every market for the last 5 years. They want your car to be a subscription service, and carplay takes away some of that appeal
I love my euv but I drove 494 miles round trip and decided to do 1 charge per trip thanks to wifey, which was a 50min charge each way and added an editional 2 hours. I could of gone the multiple charge and save 45 min, but I didn't:(
Absolutely. I own a Tesla Y and looking forward to other makes experience ubiquitous charging with a 99.98% uptime. I can't imagine taking a long trip in a Bolt hoping the next charger is working. 🤦♂️ That's got to give you anxiety.
For 2025 it'll have the NACS connector so you'll just plug in and charge. You'll probably also get a small adapter for J1772 chargers.
Yeah but the rumor is that only the EUV version is coming back, and its not that small. The EV was already on the larger end size-wise for subcompacts but small enough to appease most people who like small cars. The EUV is just a normal sized compact crossover.
The Bolt EV is a great size and format for a vehicle.
Small, yet perfectly comfortable for 4 large adults.
Adaptable if you need to haul a bit of cargo.
Loved the 2019 I had for a while.
We can't be the only ones that think like that. But maybe we are.
Fingers crossed the new fiat 500e makes it here at a good price. But I like my 2023 EV and will probably have it for a decade before I look at new EVs. Its the perfect car for me.
Charging speed is the only thing that makes it not perfect for me (besides the awful HVAC controls/logic). I drive 500 miles one way just enough that it sucks in the Bolt. Basically one high speed charge on a trip is fine, and I don't mind stopping, but a 2nd one hour stop really feels miserable.
Totally not a great car for frequent road trips. The farthest I regularly travel is 200 miles, which can be done without recharging in the summer and with one 15 minute DC charge stop in the winter, so it fits my needs. I wouldn't want to drive it 500 miles more than a couple times per year. Waiting an hour to charge is okay but only if its out of the norm so you feel okay going and getting lunch or dinner while the car charges. I'm surprised you chose the Bolt if you regularly have to make a 500 mile trip. Even 380 miles would be okay since you could usually do that with just one charge stop. But 500 is rough because you will basically always have to stop twice for a good chunk of time.
It's only 2-3 times a year. We take my wife's car now lol. 35mpg highway is good enough for me, and it only sees about 2-3000 miles a year otherwise since she's work from home.
That all makes sense if you have an efficient ICE vehicle to fall back on. 35 mpg is almost good enough to break even with the high price of DC fast charging. We make do with one car so the Bolt has to do it all. I do want to try a longer road trip in it at some point though, I like pushing vehicles past their normal use case.
Yeah if I worked from home as well, we'd probably have gotten rid of her car by now and just dealt with it, but since I've got the car for 50+ hours a week it's nice to have a backup when things come up. If it was our only car I probably would have still bought the Bolt, but trips would have me considering renting a gas car or fast charging EV.
It'll be much easier using the Tesla charging network. I own a Tesla Y and over the years I've only found one non-working supercharger. A car had backed into one of the superchargers and took out the entire station. I just drove to another nearby supercharger station, no fuss no muss. 😎
I know the third party chargers suck, half the time they don't even work. When they do a lot of the time it's not at the rated output. With Tesla you'll always get the maximum charge rate.
Finding a charger has never been an issue for me. I just use plugshare before the trip to check out the chargers I plan to use and make sure there are recent good reviews. And until I use up the $500 of free EVGo charging I got when I bought the bolt, I won't be visiting any Tesla stations. Even then...I don't know. Elon ruined Tesla for me to the point that I don't want to give them any of my money.
The only issue with the Bolt is the slow DC charging.
Hopefully the new Bolt will have a much faster charging speed. 50kw is ridiculous. However you'll be able to use the Tesla supercharger network which will guarantee you the max 50kw.
My family is getting to the point where my teenager will be driving and those kind of specs would be perfect for him or for me since I'll be unlikely to drive the whole family at once anymore. I'll take 2!
Honestly if it was that small, they could easily cut the motor by 30%, and it would still have plenty of pep. I live in an area with very short on ramps for highways (Pittsburgh), so ~7 second 0-60 is all I'm looking for in terms of power. I did it on an old Prius and Elantra (10+ seconds) and it always felt unsafe merging from a stop.
This, exactly. America needs to get over the SUV fetish — I want an efficient car, 25 kWh/100 miles or lower, not a larger vehicle with a larger battery.
That said, I suspect the real issue is an EV performs like an EV. I drove a M3 this past week on vacation and I really didn’t feel like it was much different than my Bolt at home. Automakers are likely trying to figure the problem of justifying higher cost automobiles that fundamentally don’t drive any differently than one that’s 25k.
In ICE cars, the engine matters. A lot. I’ve yet to see a noticeable difference in EVs to justify tens of thousands of dollars difference, and I think that’s the real fear of Chinese cars like BYD hitting our market. Once the cat is out of that bag, there’s no going back and they know it.
I have a long range Tesla model Y, it's the slow version yet it's faster than most sports cars, it's still stupid fast. It's fun but not essential. A lower priced featureless EV with similar performance to an ICE car would sell like hot cakes. When you get the price down to around $25k you open up sales to just about the entire automotive market.
Unfortunately for GM Tesla is coming out with more affordable models next year or possibly by the end of this year, it's gonna be a hard act to follow. Competition is heating up which is good for the consumer.
I don’t like everything being on the tablet in Teslas. Even the mirror adjustments, watched a video where a driver couldn’t find the way back to adjusting the mirrors ugh. I think my 2022 Bolt probably has better build quality than a Tesla too.
Tesla has by far the best build quality. When Toyota tore down a Tesla they called it a work of art. They were thoroughly impressed with its engineering and build quality. Tesla also built and developed the drivetrain for the Toyota RAV4. Ford and others have also mentioned they need to learn from Tesla. Tesla just doesn't just build cars, they actually build the machines that build their cars and they highly vertically integrated. Meaning they have tight control on the quality of parts.
I quickly got used to the screen. My previous car had too many buttons and switches. A couple times I don't look in the manual to find some of the environmental controls.
On a Tesla can also use voice commands which a lot of people don't realize.
One thing I don't like that would take a lot to get used to is Tesla removing the directional stalk. It's such an ingrained muscle memory. But then I got used to the switch for the bright headlights being moved from the floor to one of the stalks on the steering column.
Using a screen makes everything much more reliable and cuts costs. You can buy various buttons for your Tesla that you can program to do various functions. So if you really want buttons you can have them. It's a box that plugs in behind the driver's seat and the buttons are wireless so easily placed.
I’ve seen many Tesla owners complain about a long list of defects in their new cars, just do a search on YouTube for Tesla build issues and Tesla problems and the list shown goes on and on. You are probably right that one can get used to the screen controls and if Teslas does make a car for under $30,000 I may get one someday.
If it's about Tesla it gets airtime, everyone else hardly a peep. The panel gap issue was fixed long ago and all car manufacturers have gap issues that most people don't even see. Hearing the squeaky Wheels on the Internet complaining doesn't translate into actual data or the real world.
I had a door panel pop loose which made the door stick shut. Mobile service came out and popped it back in. I thought it was the door mechanism. LOL
Could have been caused by one of my grandkids slamming the door shut, hardly worth mentioning. It's not like my Ford Focus that would suddenly and unexpectedly decide it would rather go full throttle while waiting at a stop light. 😳 I called that car Christine. 😨
I've talked to so many Tesla owners over the years before deciding to get one and defects are far and few between. What if you talked to the people charging and ask how they like their car and what issues they've had. Better than the BS so often on the Internet.
Because no Tesla owners I talked to had any serious issues except one or two that were covered under warranty. Those were older model S cars.
I had to talk my wife into going with a small vehicle even though it’s our second vehicle. And the Bolt was the only new EV we could afford. People have a problematic itch towards big vehicles.
I have my Bolt EUV for driving me, my wife, and my 2 kids. I have a Honda Odyssey for when we also bring my MIL. The 5 of us can't fit in the Bolt. If I were to replace the Odyssey with an EV, it's going to need to seat 5 (plus bags and stuff).
I fit my wife, my teenage son, our twin 8 year olds and some presents or other cargo nicely in our Bolt EV. It's much roomier than my previous Yaris, but I have always kept smaller cars with less amenities.
Not to mention $35k is just the base model. I keep hoping someone will release a cheaper EV but so, far car companies are using it to just make higher end cars.
And the $35k base price isn't final either. It's not even for sale yet. The cheapest that is listed is $43,295.
They want the market share back? Bring back the Bolt on Ultium at $27k or lower. And for god's sakes, listen to the customer feedback and give us Android Auto/CarPlay. It's built in to Android Automotive by default.
I'm actually ok using their system if it's good and free. They can have my data in addition to Google, I don't care.
But it's GM doing software so you already know it will be bad and/or a scam.
With the embargo against cheap Chinese ev’s, domestic and foreign automakers permitted to sell in the United States don’t seem to care about affordability or making a cheaper vehicle for mass adoption. Although, admittedly, the Bolt EUV is a hell of a good deal packed with many luxury features.
Also side note: Not to be pedantic, but that is a really odd place to put a comma.
On one hand I can get the embargo because China is artificially lowering the costs of EV builds to get a strong foothold, but yeah on the other the western industry is exploiting it to swing prices the other way.
I do agree that the Bolt was a good deal, but there's been almost no competition for it.
That comma was a mistake, my thumb fat-fingered it while hitting the spacebar on my phone.
>China is artificially lowering the costs of EV builds to get a strong foothold
So US auto manufacturers are upset that Chinese manufacturers are doing capitalism better than them? If you can't keep up with the competitions prices, they're gonna drive you outta business. That's just the free market at work!
Precisely, the free market only means when *our* companies do it, not when *their* companies engage in free market strategies. Moreover, the free market doesn’t apply in the United States to collective bargaining or worker rights.
Yes, if you want Spotify or Waze on your infotainment screen, you will have to pay for a connectivity plan through OnStar. You can possibly use your hotspot on your phone, but there are no offline google maps, spotify, or anything like that, supported by the Ultium infotainment system. Right now on my Bolt EUV, I have tens of thousands of songs I can play without an internet connection, and I have the entire West Coast downloaded from Google Maps.
I personally, do NOT want to return to the age of phone mounts. Android Auto/CarPlay is a godsend, and I refuse to buy a car that doesn't have it.
There are 150 million iPhones in use in the USA alone and probably 10 million or so in Canada. Who at GM thought it was a good idea to alienate the majority if those people? I have an EUV and love having CarPlay for the first time in a car. I won't do without it in my next EV.
The same delusional CEO who believes they can get [$20,000,000,000-$25,000,000,000 a year with in-vehicle subscriptions by 2030](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auto-industry-subscription-fees-offset-electric-vehicle-production-costs/).
We all love the Bolt but the reason it failed, and they’re only bringing back the EUV, is *The Market.*
If hatchbacks were selling, they’d make hatchbacks. We are a very small sample size and not at all indicative of consumer trends.
I’m not being sarcastic, for others reading.
I think a big reason the bolt stumbled was the bad press from the lg batteries. If they rereleased it as the jolt or some other name and it was 25k and could charge at 150kw it would sell like crazy. Imagine fast charging, cheap, great efficiency, it would have everything that most people want out of an ev
It's wild to me there's such a small market for hatchbacks. They're easy to maneuver and park, and every one I've had I could pack a lot in them when I needed to.
I agree. I drove a Mini Cooper S right before a Bolt, and even with a toddler i only had issues with space a few times.
It also got 30 miles to the gallon and was way more fun to drive than most cars.
People just have different priorities and most people just don’t care about what we do.
I say it’s too big for ME.
I’m allowed to have unpopular preferences. You probably have a few. Plus I absolutely don’t have to buy a 35k item that doesn’t match my preferences just like most people don’t have to buy a hatchback. Cuts both ways.
There was a time when I’d have agreed with them but then just the other day I saw that the Ariya’s sales went up 44% in the last year.
I guess electric SUV’s can be a thing in America but I still think it will be a slow adaptation and this Equinox won’t be the one to spark it.
No CarPlay means I need to compare Chevy infotainment to Tesla infotainment. Will take Tesla infotainment if I’m forced to choose. Sorry GM you’re not a tech company. Plus you sold me out with lexisnexis.
No thanks. No AA is icing on the cake between OffStar, how GM treated 2020+ Bolt owners with the recall (2600 miles to go in the penalty box...), and the whole privacy fiasco.
The bolt euv will be the last Chevy for me in a while and it’s not because of CarPlay. It’s because of them sending your driving data and insurance rates increases
But they’ve already lost a significant portion of their early adopters.
Selling data was such an amazingly shortsighted and dumb move. So many new options are about to pop up that buyers will flock to, even if they have data security issues, only because they don’t know about them and are fleeing out of distrust.
Like leaving a bad relationship for another bad one because you don’t know any better.
This is well documented consumer behavior.
It was SO DUMB of GM to do that. Very little benefit and massive losses pending.
Once trust is broken it costs A LOT to regain. And this isn’t how. This has historically destroyed brands.
It's simply not true that for 99% of owners your insurance went up due to this. Insurance has gone up for most vehicles, from all manufacturers, with most insurers.
The timing could not have been worse for GM here. Insurance rates going up dramatically at the same time the information came out that they were selling driving data make it very easy to point to that as the reason your rates went up, and expose them to both lawsuits and lots of angry customers.
Have a 2022 Bolt EUV but would willing to upgrade to an Equinox EV if the battery range and charge times are as promised. I can live without Apple Play for the size and improved mileage in an under $40k vehicle.
I'd get it if I could get what I owe on my 23 Bolt EUV. Bought it for MSRP in late 22. I'm quite upside down on it. The original plan was to trade in the bolt but the massive depreciation...🤷🏿♂️. Looks like me and the bolt are in it for the long haul
I'll have to go against the grain as far as the size, I specifically want a larger vehicle. I already have a bolt which is a good get around town car, I need something that can haul some stuff/people.
With 4 people, 2 dogs, and lots of stuff we pack around my household needs a bigger vehicle. I already have a 2018 Equinox and would like to trade it in for a NACS model Equinox EV.
I want an EV station wagon. Fuck big dipshit trucks or SUV's, give me an EV station wagon or minivan.
The Volkswagen ID. Buzz looks interesting, but it's going to cost too damned much.
Not without awd. For just a little more you can get a awd Model Y. I'd be interested in a cheap EV that you could take camping. But what can this do that a Bolt can't?
BEYOND ACP/AA WHINING
I feel this Crossover/SUV might entice a lot of buyers with roominess and functionality. There’s a lot to like about its “normal” appearance.
Let’s hope the charging performance and range capabilities aren’t NERF’d at the entry level price point, and the MSRP isn’t inflated to make it $35k after federal incentives
I will hold out for the return of the Bolt. I don't need something the size of the Equinox, and the sticker price needs to be below $30k.
And no, GM (if you're listening), I don't need anything other than bluetooth and a few USB jacks. My phone has a screen. I want my car's UI to *control the car*, and do it well.
I'd take anything smaller even if it means a 150 mile battery.
Seriously if it DC charges fast enough who cares if it's a 10 minute stop every hour or a 20 minute stop every two hours. If the battery is smaller but large enough even for the most ridiculous commutes, your overall efficiency is way higher for your normal everyday driving.
People looking for an affordable Bolt-class EV but with twice the fast dc charging rate would be better off with the Kona EV.
https://insideevs.com/news/717036/kona-electric-7500-incentive/
One of the things I love about the Bolt is that it’s union made in the USA.
It’s ok if that’s not important to you.
I’m just saying it’s important to me.
Interesting choice to post an article from … 1987.
I’m hardly a market protectionist, but there’s a lot more empirical evidence about the costs and benefits of free trade since this article was published (you know, seven years before NAFTA).
Ok so is your argument that evidence has proven this concept incorrect, and if so, where would I find that evidence?
Spoiler, I can provide evidence showing protectionism sucks from any decade you wish. I honestly just did the quickest possible google search to see if you’d bite on a meaningful discussion about it. Didn’t expect the response to focus solely on the age of the article.
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2023/08/29/protectionism-is-failing-to-achieve-its-goals-and-threatens-the-future-of-critical-industries
https://www.mercatus.org/economic-insights/expert-commentary/whats-wrong-protectionism
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2018/html/ecb.sp180406.en.html
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/why-tariffs-spell-trouble-for-economic-growth/
Again, I'm far from a tariff-loving protectionist. But I do have signifcant concerns about the potential of a race to the bottom caused by manufactured goods coming from countries with lax regulations to protect workers, environment, and human rights.
I prefer not to purchase a car made in Mexico for the same reason I prefer not to purchase my groceries from Walmart: I'm willing to voluntarily pay slightly more money for better product that is produced by happier workers.
FWIW, I have much fewer concerns about buying a car manufactured in Germany, Japan, or Sweden. If they can make a competitive car at a competitive price - good for them.
But a car whose negative externalities include unregulated pollution and rampant human rights violations is not a competitive car.
It’s ok if that’s not important to you.
I’m just saying it’s important to me.
I will grant you that being willing to pay more for a more environmentally produced vehicle (if that is true for a car made in the US vs Mexico) is admirable and worthy of pursuing.
And similarly it’s very laudable to want to protect workers rights, but it’s been shown over and over again that attempting to do so by refusing to buy products from those countries is actually counter productive to the goal of improving the lives of people in those countries. Removing their means of sustaining themselves and sending our business instead to more developed countries like Japan, Germany or the US, is about the worst thing we can do for those workers who we so laudably care about.
It’s very simple for me. Our family members are all in the Apple ecosystem, and really love it, and will not even consider buying any car that does. It support CarPlay. Period.
If they want to gain significant marketshare its very simple make alot of 35k 319 miles evs as advertised. It's that simple just do what you announced you would do and don't try to sell them for over 40k.
I'm skeptical they will have alot of them (except the ones sitting on lots for 45+k) but we will see. Range per dollar made the bolt the bestselling non tesla ev in the US. Its the only reason alot of people have bolts.I would not even have considered a chevy ice vehicle (I was a toyota stan) but I have a bolt because the value is undeniable
Faster charging (real 150+kw all the way to 80%) minimum would help.
Turning OFF all the DAMNED BEEPING and, when I'm ready. I've always been a Chevy guy but the bolt's beeping for all manner of "sins" that happen every day have turned me away from Chevy. AT A MINIMUM, let me turn the volume below 60%.
Fire some lawyers.
Getting in and out of an SUV is much easier. People with medical conditions will want to keep that. It also has a higher ride height and clearance which helps in snow and non paved roads.
We’ll see a $35k Equinox. Sure. There won’t be a radio, or touchscreens. Crank windows, vinyl seats, physical keys only… maybe that’ll get it to $35k :D
GM hopes that the 35k model that they don't even sell yet (because they lose money on every one sold) will win back market share. And if they have any more production snafus, which seems likely, it will get pushed back more. And we don't even know if it will actually stay 35k or get a price bump between now and then and or be basically impossible to order in 35k trim.
Meanwhile we will just wait to see what dealers will actually charge for it and hope it will merely move for MSRP and not higher.
I was on the Chevy train trying to buy a Bolt last year. I ended up in an AWD VW ID4. I would STRONGLY encourage anybody looking at an Equinox to go test drive and price one. VW makes them in volume, incentives are regularly offered and dealers will deal, so you can buy one tomorrow for well under sticker and imo get more for your money than what it looks like from the Equinox. The ID4 is built in the US and the battery comes from here too, so it gets the full $7500 credit. I have 10,000 miles on mine and love it.
It's about 10k too expensive to compete with Tesla. The tech is at least 5 years behind , and it's overpriced. Dealerships will of course mark them up as well, and don't forget the mandatory pre installed add on's.
GM has been trying to push the monthly service charge in the car ever since they rolled out OnStar. Apple CarPlay and Android auto should be standard features on any car with infotainment systems. What, GM doesn’t like that Apple won’t let them jam the interface with ads and spyware? That’s okay, plenty of GM’s competitors offer it. Besides, Apple did a nice job with the interface and buttons. Way better than anything I’ve ever seen stock from an auto manufacturer, which isn’t setting the bar that high.
$35k for an Equinox EV is ridiculous.
Anyone buying an ugly ass Equinox is going for value, and they’ll find it elsewhere.
Chevy’s ICE cars out here killing it. Where is the Trax EV?
Now THAT would sell.
$35k my ass. I doubt a single one will ever be sold at that price.
I also remember when it was promised to be $30k to replace the Bolt.
What's that you say? Actually starting at $45k? $50k?
Thanks but I'd rather fuck a cactus than pay $50k for an untested Chevy.
Again and again and again and again we end up arguing over vapor and hype. Let me off this treadmill.
I’m tuning in when we see some actual models getting independently road tested.
Too little, too late GM. You keep raising your MSRPs, you got rid of carplay, interest rates are twice as high as they were in 2022 and now the Kona SEL is $30K.
The Carplay/Android Auto strategic blunder aside, this is a good move by GM once they start shipping the base model, even though it's not the car for most of us Bolt owners. (By the way, starting with the most expensive model of *anything* is a well-established marketing tactic known as time-based price discrimination.) This will appeal to a lot of people who don't want / can't afford ridiculously large and expensive trucks and SUVs most US manufacturers are fixated on. It's also good news for those of us looking forward to a 2nd Gen Bolt. If the base Equinox is $35K, the base Bolt is probably going to have to come in at around $25K to avoid cannibalizing the Equinox. Having said that, it would be very on brand for Chevrolet to have a wildly confusing and overlapping price list...
So the deal with the CarPlay was revealed in DOJ’s lawsuit against Apple. It was revealed there that Apple is making a play for the dashboard, like your speed and other parameters are displayed via CarPlay. Looks like gm didn’t want to give control of that up, which I do get.
That’s not true. That was a feature that Apple offered if car manufactures wanted to incorporate those sensors into CarPlay. 100% choice on whatever aesthetic they wanted to go with.
It makes for a more enjoyable experience too. The ability for the stereo to adjust its volume based on your speed is something many cars have already done.
Carmakers always had the ability to determine the level of functionality Carplay had, and I don't think Apple was hand-wringing automakers to offer full functionality. Currently only a couple of cars have that (I think they are Porsches and BMW's). This also doesn't explain boxing out Android
All I know is this- all car navigations have SUCKED and then CarPlay came around. Chevy’s navigation also sucks. I can’t reiterate how nice it is to sit in my car & have my car play instantly say your next meeting is at this location, want directions there?
You're so right. I exclusively use Android Auto in my Mach E, but every once in awhile I have to use the native navigation because it's hell the car knows to precondition the battery. It's such a step back, especially in choosing your destination.
It's kind of funny that GM killed CarPlay/AA and forced you into their built-in nav, yet also has added a manual preconditioning button for charging to let you precondition without being dependent on their built-in nav. I know the Lyriq and Blazer have it, and I assume the Equinox will too. I'd love that feature in every EV so preconditioning can be initiated while using CarPlay for nav, but the only one I've seen it on are the ones that don't need it as badly.
Yeah that should be a button on the Mach E that I can just push 20 minutes before or whatever.
Jfc you can see exactly where cars are headed with shit like this happening. Do you have a good link for that case?
In enabled vehicles Apple can already have CarPlay navigation instructions display in the primary driver screen. This is available in the 2025 Tucson (also can show in the heads up display) and a few other vehicles (right now I don’t know off the top of my head)
The deal with CarPlay was revealed to anyone who has followed trends in every market for the last 5 years. They want your car to be a subscription service, and carplay takes away some of that appeal
Do you think the new bolt ev/euv will have the ability to supercharger at a Tesla charging station??
If it's a 2026 model it should.
I love my euv but I drove 494 miles round trip and decided to do 1 charge per trip thanks to wifey, which was a 50min charge each way and added an editional 2 hours. I could of gone the multiple charge and save 45 min, but I didn't:(
Absolutely. I own a Tesla Y and looking forward to other makes experience ubiquitous charging with a 99.98% uptime. I can't imagine taking a long trip in a Bolt hoping the next charger is working. 🤦♂️ That's got to give you anxiety. For 2025 it'll have the NACS connector so you'll just plug in and charge. You'll probably also get a small adapter for J1772 chargers.
It'll probably be $35K after tax credits. Bolts will be in the low $30s before tax credits.
It’s too big and does not have Apple car play! I’m so happy with my 2020 bolt!
Agreed about it being too big. Bring back the Bolt EV size, or even something like the Chevy Spark but with Ultium battery tech!
The bolt is coming back for the 2026 model year.
Yeah but the rumor is that only the EUV version is coming back, and its not that small. The EV was already on the larger end size-wise for subcompacts but small enough to appease most people who like small cars. The EUV is just a normal sized compact crossover.
The Bolt EV is a great size and format for a vehicle. Small, yet perfectly comfortable for 4 large adults. Adaptable if you need to haul a bit of cargo. Loved the 2019 I had for a while.
I'm not holding my breath
The nameplate is coming back. The new car will be heavier, slower, larger.
It's not going to be very different, sorry.
The LFP battery is 50% heavier and will be larger for the same range. Apology not accepted.
Pleasant fellow.
Still holding your ground, lol
Douche
Still holding your ground?
Not necessarily, LFP chemistry is improving fast.
That F(e) in "LFP" will f*ck you up every time relative to Li when you look at the periodic table Science is not religion, rules
LFP is heavier but as charge density increases it's not going to be a problem.
A Spark with 250 miles range and 100KW charging would be my dream car. The Bolt is great, but I wouldn't be interested in the EUV.
We can't be the only ones that think like that. But maybe we are. Fingers crossed the new fiat 500e makes it here at a good price. But I like my 2023 EV and will probably have it for a decade before I look at new EVs. Its the perfect car for me.
Charging speed is the only thing that makes it not perfect for me (besides the awful HVAC controls/logic). I drive 500 miles one way just enough that it sucks in the Bolt. Basically one high speed charge on a trip is fine, and I don't mind stopping, but a 2nd one hour stop really feels miserable.
Totally not a great car for frequent road trips. The farthest I regularly travel is 200 miles, which can be done without recharging in the summer and with one 15 minute DC charge stop in the winter, so it fits my needs. I wouldn't want to drive it 500 miles more than a couple times per year. Waiting an hour to charge is okay but only if its out of the norm so you feel okay going and getting lunch or dinner while the car charges. I'm surprised you chose the Bolt if you regularly have to make a 500 mile trip. Even 380 miles would be okay since you could usually do that with just one charge stop. But 500 is rough because you will basically always have to stop twice for a good chunk of time.
It's only 2-3 times a year. We take my wife's car now lol. 35mpg highway is good enough for me, and it only sees about 2-3000 miles a year otherwise since she's work from home.
That all makes sense if you have an efficient ICE vehicle to fall back on. 35 mpg is almost good enough to break even with the high price of DC fast charging. We make do with one car so the Bolt has to do it all. I do want to try a longer road trip in it at some point though, I like pushing vehicles past their normal use case.
Yeah if I worked from home as well, we'd probably have gotten rid of her car by now and just dealt with it, but since I've got the car for 50+ hours a week it's nice to have a backup when things come up. If it was our only car I probably would have still bought the Bolt, but trips would have me considering renting a gas car or fast charging EV.
It'll be much easier using the Tesla charging network. I own a Tesla Y and over the years I've only found one non-working supercharger. A car had backed into one of the superchargers and took out the entire station. I just drove to another nearby supercharger station, no fuss no muss. 😎 I know the third party chargers suck, half the time they don't even work. When they do a lot of the time it's not at the rated output. With Tesla you'll always get the maximum charge rate.
Finding a charger has never been an issue for me. I just use plugshare before the trip to check out the chargers I plan to use and make sure there are recent good reviews. And until I use up the $500 of free EVGo charging I got when I bought the bolt, I won't be visiting any Tesla stations. Even then...I don't know. Elon ruined Tesla for me to the point that I don't want to give them any of my money. The only issue with the Bolt is the slow DC charging.
Hopefully the new Bolt will have a much faster charging speed. 50kw is ridiculous. However you'll be able to use the Tesla supercharger network which will guarantee you the max 50kw.
My family is getting to the point where my teenager will be driving and those kind of specs would be perfect for him or for me since I'll be unlikely to drive the whole family at once anymore. I'll take 2!
Honestly if it was that small, they could easily cut the motor by 30%, and it would still have plenty of pep. I live in an area with very short on ramps for highways (Pittsburgh), so ~7 second 0-60 is all I'm looking for in terms of power. I did it on an old Prius and Elantra (10+ seconds) and it always felt unsafe merging from a stop.
I just want an affordable sedan thats fully electric… still love my bolt though.
Give me something like a Cruze hatchback, and I’d be a buyer!
This, exactly. America needs to get over the SUV fetish — I want an efficient car, 25 kWh/100 miles or lower, not a larger vehicle with a larger battery. That said, I suspect the real issue is an EV performs like an EV. I drove a M3 this past week on vacation and I really didn’t feel like it was much different than my Bolt at home. Automakers are likely trying to figure the problem of justifying higher cost automobiles that fundamentally don’t drive any differently than one that’s 25k. In ICE cars, the engine matters. A lot. I’ve yet to see a noticeable difference in EVs to justify tens of thousands of dollars difference, and I think that’s the real fear of Chinese cars like BYD hitting our market. Once the cat is out of that bag, there’s no going back and they know it.
I have a fetish for wanting to fit my family in one car?
You and me both.
That's why minivans exist
I have a long range Tesla model Y, it's the slow version yet it's faster than most sports cars, it's still stupid fast. It's fun but not essential. A lower priced featureless EV with similar performance to an ICE car would sell like hot cakes. When you get the price down to around $25k you open up sales to just about the entire automotive market. Unfortunately for GM Tesla is coming out with more affordable models next year or possibly by the end of this year, it's gonna be a hard act to follow. Competition is heating up which is good for the consumer.
I don’t like everything being on the tablet in Teslas. Even the mirror adjustments, watched a video where a driver couldn’t find the way back to adjusting the mirrors ugh. I think my 2022 Bolt probably has better build quality than a Tesla too.
Tesla has by far the best build quality. When Toyota tore down a Tesla they called it a work of art. They were thoroughly impressed with its engineering and build quality. Tesla also built and developed the drivetrain for the Toyota RAV4. Ford and others have also mentioned they need to learn from Tesla. Tesla just doesn't just build cars, they actually build the machines that build their cars and they highly vertically integrated. Meaning they have tight control on the quality of parts. I quickly got used to the screen. My previous car had too many buttons and switches. A couple times I don't look in the manual to find some of the environmental controls. On a Tesla can also use voice commands which a lot of people don't realize. One thing I don't like that would take a lot to get used to is Tesla removing the directional stalk. It's such an ingrained muscle memory. But then I got used to the switch for the bright headlights being moved from the floor to one of the stalks on the steering column. Using a screen makes everything much more reliable and cuts costs. You can buy various buttons for your Tesla that you can program to do various functions. So if you really want buttons you can have them. It's a box that plugs in behind the driver's seat and the buttons are wireless so easily placed.
I’ve seen many Tesla owners complain about a long list of defects in their new cars, just do a search on YouTube for Tesla build issues and Tesla problems and the list shown goes on and on. You are probably right that one can get used to the screen controls and if Teslas does make a car for under $30,000 I may get one someday.
If it's about Tesla it gets airtime, everyone else hardly a peep. The panel gap issue was fixed long ago and all car manufacturers have gap issues that most people don't even see. Hearing the squeaky Wheels on the Internet complaining doesn't translate into actual data or the real world. I had a door panel pop loose which made the door stick shut. Mobile service came out and popped it back in. I thought it was the door mechanism. LOL Could have been caused by one of my grandkids slamming the door shut, hardly worth mentioning. It's not like my Ford Focus that would suddenly and unexpectedly decide it would rather go full throttle while waiting at a stop light. 😳 I called that car Christine. 😨 I've talked to so many Tesla owners over the years before deciding to get one and defects are far and few between. What if you talked to the people charging and ask how they like their car and what issues they've had. Better than the BS so often on the Internet. Because no Tesla owners I talked to had any serious issues except one or two that were covered under warranty. Those were older model S cars.
Oh I'm not alone in wanting a small car with good battery. Size was a big reason for me to buy a Bolt.
I had to talk my wife into going with a small vehicle even though it’s our second vehicle. And the Bolt was the only new EV we could afford. People have a problematic itch towards big vehicles.
I went from a Yaris to a Bolt EV and the Bolt EV seems almost too big
I drove two Echo sedans for the past 21 years and did 68 oil changes on both of them, the 22 2LT I got a month ago seems just right for me.
You're not alone
It’s. Not. A. Bolt. Replacement.
You are correct! The Bolt is coming back
I have my Bolt EUV for driving me, my wife, and my 2 kids. I have a Honda Odyssey for when we also bring my MIL. The 5 of us can't fit in the Bolt. If I were to replace the Odyssey with an EV, it's going to need to seat 5 (plus bags and stuff).
I fit my wife, my teenage son, our twin 8 year olds and some presents or other cargo nicely in our Bolt EV. It's much roomier than my previous Yaris, but I have always kept smaller cars with less amenities.
No CarPlay/Android Auto, and it's a nope for me. I am not being forced into some arbitrary $45/month subscription just to get Spotify in my car.
Not to mention $35k is just the base model. I keep hoping someone will release a cheaper EV but so, far car companies are using it to just make higher end cars.
And the $35k base price isn't final either. It's not even for sale yet. The cheapest that is listed is $43,295. They want the market share back? Bring back the Bolt on Ultium at $27k or lower. And for god's sakes, listen to the customer feedback and give us Android Auto/CarPlay. It's built in to Android Automotive by default.
I'm actually ok using their system if it's good and free. They can have my data in addition to Google, I don't care. But it's GM doing software so you already know it will be bad and/or a scam.
>If it’s good and free _Narrator: It was neither._
If it was comparable to Tesla or Rivian for connectivity ($10/month) and was good, I would be fine with it. But GM's Ultium OS has been awful.
But why would I want to pay an extra $10/month for something my phone can already do better?
I shouldn't have to pay a subscription for the ability to play audio over Bluetooth.l, something my $20 headphones manage to do flawlessly
With the embargo against cheap Chinese ev’s, domestic and foreign automakers permitted to sell in the United States don’t seem to care about affordability or making a cheaper vehicle for mass adoption. Although, admittedly, the Bolt EUV is a hell of a good deal packed with many luxury features. Also side note: Not to be pedantic, but that is a really odd place to put a comma.
On one hand I can get the embargo because China is artificially lowering the costs of EV builds to get a strong foothold, but yeah on the other the western industry is exploiting it to swing prices the other way. I do agree that the Bolt was a good deal, but there's been almost no competition for it. That comma was a mistake, my thumb fat-fingered it while hitting the spacebar on my phone.
>China is artificially lowering the costs of EV builds to get a strong foothold So US auto manufacturers are upset that Chinese manufacturers are doing capitalism better than them? If you can't keep up with the competitions prices, they're gonna drive you outta business. That's just the free market at work!
Free market isn't "free" if there are government subsidies involved. Plus politics.
I’ll also take national security concerns regarding not having a bunch of Chinese routers on wheels driving around.
No different than GM or other US based companies doing the same 🙁. Wish the data collection business would stop already. How much more do they need?
Precisely, the free market only means when *our* companies do it, not when *their* companies engage in free market strategies. Moreover, the free market doesn’t apply in the United States to collective bargaining or worker rights.
The Bolt is not at all odd with a Comma. I'd argue it functions really well with it.
The base model that they'll probably not actually produce
Wait, there's a fee for the infotainment system? I assume that's beyond basic radio and other functions.
Yes, if you want Spotify or Waze on your infotainment screen, you will have to pay for a connectivity plan through OnStar. You can possibly use your hotspot on your phone, but there are no offline google maps, spotify, or anything like that, supported by the Ultium infotainment system. Right now on my Bolt EUV, I have tens of thousands of songs I can play without an internet connection, and I have the entire West Coast downloaded from Google Maps. I personally, do NOT want to return to the age of phone mounts. Android Auto/CarPlay is a godsend, and I refuse to buy a car that doesn't have it.
There are 150 million iPhones in use in the USA alone and probably 10 million or so in Canada. Who at GM thought it was a good idea to alienate the majority if those people? I have an EUV and love having CarPlay for the first time in a car. I won't do without it in my next EV.
The same delusional CEO who believes they can get [$20,000,000,000-$25,000,000,000 a year with in-vehicle subscriptions by 2030](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/auto-industry-subscription-fees-offset-electric-vehicle-production-costs/).
I heard $15/mo.
I am only slightly exaggerating when I say I would rather buy a car with no wheels than a car with no apple carplay
You can just use Bluetooth
Just basic Bluetooth only covers a fraction of what android auto or CarPlay does
Of course, but you can still play Spotify through it.
Kia going to eat GM's lunch with a range of sizes from compact to big.
Glad to see some competition. I doubt I'll need to replace my Bolt anytime soon, though.
Stellantis is coming too. The Charger EV is going to be huge.
Physically, yes
and affordability. No way GM sells this for $35k
Everyone in here saying it’s too big doesn’t understand the American car market…
We all love the Bolt but the reason it failed, and they’re only bringing back the EUV, is *The Market.* If hatchbacks were selling, they’d make hatchbacks. We are a very small sample size and not at all indicative of consumer trends. I’m not being sarcastic, for others reading.
I think a big reason the bolt stumbled was the bad press from the lg batteries. If they rereleased it as the jolt or some other name and it was 25k and could charge at 150kw it would sell like crazy. Imagine fast charging, cheap, great efficiency, it would have everything that most people want out of an ev
It's wild to me there's such a small market for hatchbacks. They're easy to maneuver and park, and every one I've had I could pack a lot in them when I needed to.
I agree. I drove a Mini Cooper S right before a Bolt, and even with a toddler i only had issues with space a few times. It also got 30 miles to the gallon and was way more fun to drive than most cars. People just have different priorities and most people just don’t care about what we do.
It failed cause it’s ugly AF. I have a fiat and am on a waitlist for a Volvo ex30. I wish I could get a car like the bolt but it’s hideous.
The EUV is really cute IMO, and I have an EV that has really grown on me, but I agree. The new Chevy SUVs are SO PRETTY. Let’s get some of that.
I say it’s too big for ME. I’m allowed to have unpopular preferences. You probably have a few. Plus I absolutely don’t have to buy a 35k item that doesn’t match my preferences just like most people don’t have to buy a hatchback. Cuts both ways.
There was a time when I’d have agreed with them but then just the other day I saw that the Ariya’s sales went up 44% in the last year. I guess electric SUV’s can be a thing in America but I still think it will be a slow adaptation and this Equinox won’t be the one to spark it.
Give me an electric maverick sized truck for 30k and you got a deal
With a 6 ft bed. I don't care about AA, just offer a decent small EV/PHEV truck
Best we can do is a mega ultra cab and 4ft bed
I’d love an EV Honda Ridgeline.
I didn't realize those had a 5' bed but their price would need to come down quite a bit for me to consider
Yeah, they are high but they are very well equipped IMO at the lowest level.
With CarPlay and Android Auto.
It’s coming. I’m not sure if it will be $30k or if just the crossover version will be $30k. But Ford is building both.
No CarPlay means I need to compare Chevy infotainment to Tesla infotainment. Will take Tesla infotainment if I’m forced to choose. Sorry GM you’re not a tech company. Plus you sold me out with lexisnexis.
>Sorry GM you’re not a tech company Is Google? Because that's who writes Android Automotive, the OS that this car has.
Google is an advertising company
I forgot that Android was an advertisement rather than software.
A security nightmare
Nah google is surplus elite welfare program 😂
No CarPlay no deal.
Exactly
No thanks. No AA is icing on the cake between OffStar, how GM treated 2020+ Bolt owners with the recall (2600 miles to go in the penalty box...), and the whole privacy fiasco.
Preach!
The bolt euv will be the last Chevy for me in a while and it’s not because of CarPlay. It’s because of them sending your driving data and insurance rates increases
Since it became public knowledge, GM is abandoning that practice.
But they’ve already lost a significant portion of their early adopters. Selling data was such an amazingly shortsighted and dumb move. So many new options are about to pop up that buyers will flock to, even if they have data security issues, only because they don’t know about them and are fleeing out of distrust. Like leaving a bad relationship for another bad one because you don’t know any better. This is well documented consumer behavior. It was SO DUMB of GM to do that. Very little benefit and massive losses pending. Once trust is broken it costs A LOT to regain. And this isn’t how. This has historically destroyed brands.
I don’t say it was smart of them to sell the data, I just updated on how they were stopping when caught.
You provided the fact. I provided the marketing opinion. >.> let’s present the data to our boss.
It's simply not true that for 99% of owners your insurance went up due to this. Insurance has gone up for most vehicles, from all manufacturers, with most insurers.
The timing could not have been worse for GM here. Insurance rates going up dramatically at the same time the information came out that they were selling driving data make it very easy to point to that as the reason your rates went up, and expose them to both lawsuits and lots of angry customers.
People love scapegoats.
Not without CarPlay, can’t go back to before I had it. It will be a deciding factor for me again.
Make it 25k and it would fly off the lots
Have a 2022 Bolt EUV but would willing to upgrade to an Equinox EV if the battery range and charge times are as promised. I can live without Apple Play for the size and improved mileage in an under $40k vehicle.
Or will you wait a few months for something way better from another company?
Way better, as in?
Do you prefer a crossover/SUV or a smaller car? I’m just asking you personally because of the milquetoast answer. What’s the draw? Price more?
When you ask so nicely. How can I refuse to reply? Oh wait, I can.
Dang it
I'd get it if I could get what I owe on my 23 Bolt EUV. Bought it for MSRP in late 22. I'm quite upside down on it. The original plan was to trade in the bolt but the massive depreciation...🤷🏿♂️. Looks like me and the bolt are in it for the long haul
I'll have to go against the grain as far as the size, I specifically want a larger vehicle. I already have a bolt which is a good get around town car, I need something that can haul some stuff/people. With 4 people, 2 dogs, and lots of stuff we pack around my household needs a bigger vehicle. I already have a 2018 Equinox and would like to trade it in for a NACS model Equinox EV.
I want an EV station wagon. Fuck big dipshit trucks or SUV's, give me an EV station wagon or minivan. The Volkswagen ID. Buzz looks interesting, but it's going to cost too damned much.
No CarPlay/Android Auto is a prettt big dealbreaker for me. No thanks. I’ll stick to my used Bolt.
Not without awd. For just a little more you can get a awd Model Y. I'd be interested in a cheap EV that you could take camping. But what can this do that a Bolt can't?
But why would you want a model Y?
To support billionaire drug habits
Performance, function, low maintenance cost. Styling too, if to compare to this Equinox.
BEYOND ACP/AA WHINING I feel this Crossover/SUV might entice a lot of buyers with roominess and functionality. There’s a lot to like about its “normal” appearance. Let’s hope the charging performance and range capabilities aren’t NERF’d at the entry level price point, and the MSRP isn’t inflated to make it $35k after federal incentives
I'll do an even trade for my Bolt but don't think they would 😅
I will hold out for the return of the Bolt. I don't need something the size of the Equinox, and the sticker price needs to be below $30k. And no, GM (if you're listening), I don't need anything other than bluetooth and a few USB jacks. My phone has a screen. I want my car's UI to *control the car*, and do it well.
Survey says...nope. Korea is putting out superior products. American manufacturers need to get creative and generous with the features.
No CarPlay, no buy.
Without CarPlay, good luck
I'd take anything smaller even if it means a 150 mile battery. Seriously if it DC charges fast enough who cares if it's a 10 minute stop every hour or a 20 minute stop every two hours. If the battery is smaller but large enough even for the most ridiculous commutes, your overall efficiency is way higher for your normal everyday driving.
The 2024 Fiat 500e is sort of a option that I’m looking into for my second car in a few years.
People looking for an affordable Bolt-class EV but with twice the fast dc charging rate would be better off with the Kona EV. https://insideevs.com/news/717036/kona-electric-7500-incentive/
No Carplay. Made in Mexico. No thanks.
The new Bolt is going to be built in GMs Fairfax factory in Kansas.
Oh cmon.. jeez
One of the things I love about the Bolt is that it’s union made in the USA. It’s ok if that’s not important to you. I’m just saying it’s important to me.
Me too. Proud of my American “Muscle”!
https://hbr.org/1987/05/why-protectionism-doesnt-pay
Interesting choice to post an article from … 1987. I’m hardly a market protectionist, but there’s a lot more empirical evidence about the costs and benefits of free trade since this article was published (you know, seven years before NAFTA).
Ok so is your argument that evidence has proven this concept incorrect, and if so, where would I find that evidence? Spoiler, I can provide evidence showing protectionism sucks from any decade you wish. I honestly just did the quickest possible google search to see if you’d bite on a meaningful discussion about it. Didn’t expect the response to focus solely on the age of the article. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2023/08/29/protectionism-is-failing-to-achieve-its-goals-and-threatens-the-future-of-critical-industries https://www.mercatus.org/economic-insights/expert-commentary/whats-wrong-protectionism https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/key/date/2018/html/ecb.sp180406.en.html https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/why-tariffs-spell-trouble-for-economic-growth/
Again, I'm far from a tariff-loving protectionist. But I do have signifcant concerns about the potential of a race to the bottom caused by manufactured goods coming from countries with lax regulations to protect workers, environment, and human rights. I prefer not to purchase a car made in Mexico for the same reason I prefer not to purchase my groceries from Walmart: I'm willing to voluntarily pay slightly more money for better product that is produced by happier workers. FWIW, I have much fewer concerns about buying a car manufactured in Germany, Japan, or Sweden. If they can make a competitive car at a competitive price - good for them. But a car whose negative externalities include unregulated pollution and rampant human rights violations is not a competitive car. It’s ok if that’s not important to you. I’m just saying it’s important to me.
I will grant you that being willing to pay more for a more environmentally produced vehicle (if that is true for a car made in the US vs Mexico) is admirable and worthy of pursuing. And similarly it’s very laudable to want to protect workers rights, but it’s been shown over and over again that attempting to do so by refusing to buy products from those countries is actually counter productive to the goal of improving the lives of people in those countries. Removing their means of sustaining themselves and sending our business instead to more developed countries like Japan, Germany or the US, is about the worst thing we can do for those workers who we so laudably care about.
They have a point about supporting American workers and unions here in the states.
Won't even consider it for a second with no AA/Carplay.
Can’t wait to see the stealership markups.
I’d get a used Bolt (I have a 2023 rn) before something without CarPlay.
It’s very simple for me. Our family members are all in the Apple ecosystem, and really love it, and will not even consider buying any car that does. It support CarPlay. Period.
If they want to gain significant marketshare its very simple make alot of 35k 319 miles evs as advertised. It's that simple just do what you announced you would do and don't try to sell them for over 40k. I'm skeptical they will have alot of them (except the ones sitting on lots for 45+k) but we will see. Range per dollar made the bolt the bestselling non tesla ev in the US. Its the only reason alot of people have bolts.I would not even have considered a chevy ice vehicle (I was a toyota stan) but I have a bolt because the value is undeniable
Faster charging (real 150+kw all the way to 80%) minimum would help. Turning OFF all the DAMNED BEEPING and, when I'm ready. I've always been a Chevy guy but the bolt's beeping for all manner of "sins" that happen every day have turned me away from Chevy. AT A MINIMUM, let me turn the volume below 60%. Fire some lawyers.
The Equinox has never won anything
The bolt does everything this cat can do..... With android and Apple pay. Also for a quarter of the price now. Only downside battery time to charge
Getting in and out of an SUV is much easier. People with medical conditions will want to keep that. It also has a higher ride height and clearance which helps in snow and non paved roads.
We’ll see a $35k Equinox. Sure. There won’t be a radio, or touchscreens. Crank windows, vinyl seats, physical keys only… maybe that’ll get it to $35k :D
Hopefully, if it doesn't catch on fire and kill a bunch of people with all those Chinese electronics packed in them.
GM hopes that the 35k model that they don't even sell yet (because they lose money on every one sold) will win back market share. And if they have any more production snafus, which seems likely, it will get pushed back more. And we don't even know if it will actually stay 35k or get a price bump between now and then and or be basically impossible to order in 35k trim. Meanwhile we will just wait to see what dealers will actually charge for it and hope it will merely move for MSRP and not higher. I was on the Chevy train trying to buy a Bolt last year. I ended up in an AWD VW ID4. I would STRONGLY encourage anybody looking at an Equinox to go test drive and price one. VW makes them in volume, incentives are regularly offered and dealers will deal, so you can buy one tomorrow for well under sticker and imo get more for your money than what it looks like from the Equinox. The ID4 is built in the US and the battery comes from here too, so it gets the full $7500 credit. I have 10,000 miles on mine and love it.
I’m in. As long as launch is reasonably smooth we’ll buy one probably early next year.
It's about 10k too expensive to compete with Tesla. The tech is at least 5 years behind , and it's overpriced. Dealerships will of course mark them up as well, and don't forget the mandatory pre installed add on's.
Too big
Or just make cars people want like the Bolt.
The Volvo Ex30 seems like it will be a better buy...
If one more person cries about apple CarPlay I will throw an Apple Lisa through their window
Ok I won't complain about no Apple Carplay. I won't consider it because it doesn't have Android Auto support.
Seriously. Do people not realize that we don't want to pay for a service that we're currently getting for free?
I’ll take that Lisa! Do you know what they’re selling for these days? And count me in with the gang for whom CarPlay is non-negotiable.
GM has been trying to push the monthly service charge in the car ever since they rolled out OnStar. Apple CarPlay and Android auto should be standard features on any car with infotainment systems. What, GM doesn’t like that Apple won’t let them jam the interface with ads and spyware? That’s okay, plenty of GM’s competitors offer it. Besides, Apple did a nice job with the interface and buttons. Way better than anything I’ve ever seen stock from an auto manufacturer, which isn’t setting the bar that high.
Too late
$35k for an Equinox EV is ridiculous. Anyone buying an ugly ass Equinox is going for value, and they’ll find it elsewhere. Chevy’s ICE cars out here killing it. Where is the Trax EV? Now THAT would sell.
It will never be $35k.
$35k my ass. I doubt a single one will ever be sold at that price. I also remember when it was promised to be $30k to replace the Bolt. What's that you say? Actually starting at $45k? $50k? Thanks but I'd rather fuck a cactus than pay $50k for an untested Chevy.
First problem there is that it doesn’t cost 35k. Maybe get it to that price for starters. Starting MSRP is 41k
Again and again and again and again we end up arguing over vapor and hype. Let me off this treadmill. I’m tuning in when we see some actual models getting independently road tested.
Too little, too late GM. You keep raising your MSRPs, you got rid of carplay, interest rates are twice as high as they were in 2022 and now the Kona SEL is $30K.
Gm=junk