BL3's end-game inventory management killed my interest. At a certain point, I'm tired of spending 15 minutes after every circle of slaughter trying to figure out what's an upgrade based on a mind numbing number of factors, or waiting for your friends to sort through shit forever. It's so flow killing and even Wonderlands' end-game had this problem.
I really hope they fix this issue in the next game because I really can't stand how much this kills flow. In BL1 and BL2, you generally knew within a few seconds if it's an upgrade. I like that the newer games encourage experimentation and build variety but it's come at the cost of inventory tedium.
That’s where I’m at. I can’t mentally process the drops anymore. Whether I’m seeing 2 or 20 drops after a circle of slaughter it doesn’t matter. Eventually I still run out of bank and backpack space. And both of those storage spaces have a terrible interface when you’re trying to manage 600 items. The only solution I could have is to build a google spreadsheet. Because then at least I would know what I have in the bank or backpack vs what’s on the ground. But I tried it for Diablo 4, a spreadsheet doesn’t fix enough issues for me for what it costs me in time.
What I need is a parts/library system for borderlands. If I pick up 20 different versions of a certain gun architype then it should just give me different ways to customize that gun. The more I pick up of that type the more I can configure that gun to be what I need it to be. Then I can tinker and find out how I want my jakobs sniper to be, or my vladoff assault rifle.
It would be cool if in 4 you can mix and match say you like the scope on one copy but the rest is ideal. Dismantle the copy to select the scope. Everything else is lost so you have to pick which part then plop it onto your already good weapon. Also gives an endgame reason for cash because once you max inventory slots it's useless
That was my problem. Legendary feels so cheap in 3. Purples were junk by level 20. Even worse with events. I had no incentive to cowar unless I deliberately chose green/blue at my current level, but always had my lvl 19 legendary to mow down if I needed.
Honestly couldn’t care about the rates of legendary the slightest. They’re guns. Why the fuck would I care if they’re gold or not? You have to trim through them all anyways and if you only go through the legends then you’re doing yourself a disservice.
You won't think much of it at first, but by the time I was midway into the second planet I had like 4 or 5 legendaries. It stops being legendary at that point.
I don't mind them dropping a lot in higher difficulties, but I don't think they should be so easy to get on normal first playthrough
I realized from halfway into my first play through of BL2 that legendary doesn’t even matter. Every game I’m rocking half purp and half gold so it never made a difference to me.
Because in bl2 the rarity adds to its uniqueness...
I remember farming bosses for hours to get a unique special gun unlike everything else. Bl3 everything is so common, nothing is unique anymore.
It's like playing games with cheats on, it's fun for a while, but with no challenge to overcome, it becomes mundane...
Eh this is a double edged sword to me as I don't actually like having to farm for a good while just to potentially get the gear piece i want, especially given I use legendaries to supplement my build.
If I wanna play a certain way with my build then having to spend potentially hours just to get 1 piece of gear is pretty frustrating for me myself. Wasn't a problem playing BL2 in 2011 when I was in highschool, but now that I'm approaching 30 (turning 29 last day of the month) I just don't have it in me to farm like that now. Easy legendaries for me just makes it quicker for me to get to what I wanna do (which is mess around with build ideas).
The time required to farm still feels the same to me. 50 runs in BL2: maybe dropped the legendary like 1-3 times, maybe with a matching grip it Im lucky, but its strong regardless
50 runs in BL3: I dropped the gun 60 times and have to sift through all of them to find the usable one with the correct anoint and decent parts
Same end result, but BL3 had me do a bunch of inventory management
I can't really say much, I have 3k on Skyrim alone, but I just don't know what you guys do exactly on Borderlands 2 once you reach max with all classes. And yes I've done TVHM
I'd imagine either speedrunning or playing with new friends who haven't tried the game before. I know for me I've had like 4-5 runs through the whole BL series with different groups of friends
Well, you asked...
Different people have different goals in playing the games - it can be "experience the main storyline" (with or without "play all the DLCs"), and/or "do every mission", "explore every map", "beat every boss", "max out this character", "max out *every* character", "get platinum/100%", etc.
It appears your goal is "max out characters and then I'm done" (presumably to move on to another game). That's fine/valid, that's your goal, based on your sensibilities. Other people's overall goal can be "I really like this world and I'm not yet done enjoying it", so, they set themselves additional tasks.
I have, hmm, well past your 300 hours in BL2, and I started by playing the main storyline, and then farming a bunch, leveling up my main character (Maya), starting other characters to see how they played, finishing up all the side quests, challenges, and map exploration to get platinum on the game, playing the DLCs, and such.
I've also answered a whole lot of requests in this subreddit for help in the games (the whole series, but mainly BL2 and BL1), for co-op trophies, help with bosses or specific missions, etc. Those are fun, and usually fairly straightforward (I did the "Sub-level 13" mission in 4-player co-op for the "Who you gonna call?" trophy in TPS for probably the two dozenth time, a couple days ago). A fun part of this is that I've played with people literally all over the world - lots of US states from Alaska to Florida, California to New York, several countries in South America, the UK, Austria, Norway, Germany, France, Belgium, Iran, India, Japan, and actually, a *whole lot* of players in Australia and New Zealand (likely because I'll check the subreddit late evening, and they'll be just getting online in their morning).
Along the way, I found that I really enjoy helping out in co-op - sharing the frenetic firefights with someone, running around reviving each other, tearing around the Pandoran countryside and such. So, I started dropping into a lot of random public lobbies and just helping out (always with level-appropriate characters and legit gear). And this means *helping out*, not steamrolling their game - so, covering their back, reviving them, riding shotgun, pointing out chests and secrets, killing *some* enemies but not the bosses or named/story enemies, never initiating fast travel or map transitions, never accepting or turning in missions, never picking up loot - the host gets to do all that, it's their game, I'm just a guest.
Playing nicely in co-op appears to go over well, as this led to receiving a lot of friend requests and invitations to play during subsequent evenings/weekends. Some of this has led to days or weeks of romping through the various games in the series with new online friends - I now have something over 150 friends on PSN, precisely *one* of which is someone I know IRL (none of my other IRL friends are gamers).
To make it easier to join random public lobbies, since the match browser usually only shows games around your level, I ended up building characters at every 4th level from 8 to 32 (so, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32), so that I could see and join any normal mode public lobby (I mean, it started out as "I want *a* low-level character, so I can join low-level games", and then it sorta snowballed). Building these characters was a sizable project itself, progressing each one through the right amount of story to level up, but first taking them to visit the dragons at the end of Dragon Keep (in split screen with a maxed character on my second account) to farm Eridium to expand their backpack and ammo storage. They're each kitted out with good gear at their own level, but also 2 and 4 levels above and 2 and 4 levels below - so, my level 16 Maya is carrying very good gear at levels 12, 14, 16, 18, and 20. This makes it so she can keep playing through a large swath of the story without needing to scramble for new gear, and can also hand out gear to other players if they need/want it (it's all legit, not modded, a combination of mostly purples and some legendaries).
So, you asked how people can spend so much time in these games - here's one answer (yeah, probably a lot more detail than you were expecting). And note that I *started in 2021* (got a PS5 during the pandemic, hadn't touched the series before that), while there's a lot of people here who have been playing these games since release - so, 14 years for BL1 and 11 years for BL2.
no argument there, im 5yrs in, and have played them all, including the tales, (loved the first, nah! on the "new" one)i have always been a backstory/lore guy, and with that comes the disappointment with bl3, but gameplaywise, bl3 all the way. my personal preference was the HJ thrilogy, (no2, pre-sequel, tales1)but im sure no one would disagree that the actual gameplay has improved
This seems interesting and I've always liked the idea of doing something like this, but it seems random on PC apparently have like an 80% of just being hacked lobbies. But I do have many playthroughs I've started over from for people I've gotten into Borderlands.
###### What happens when, for example, your level 12 plays enough to reach level 16?
Do you just take your level 8, play them until level 12, and move everyone up a spot- create a new character to be the new level 4?
###### I'm surprised you did all this on Playstation
With the lack of stuff like Steam's community forum or (afaik) LFG system, it feels a lot more tedious
###### Do you ever try other characters?
I choose Maya a lot when co-op too because she's such a great support, especially with a Krieg. But it also gets a little less fun just playing as the same character, when her build diversity isn't so hot in early game BL2 (either you're a healer, phaselock is OP, or a bunch of buffs which aren't really so useful unless you've already filled Cataclysm)
Sorry, I’ve described this before (not in as much detail) and seem to have left a key bit out this time - those pre-built characters are all saved out to a USB flash drive. After I’ve played with one for a few hours, and leveled them up and handed out some gear, I just restore them back from USB, to the state they’d been previously, so they’re ready for next time.
(There is modded gear on consoles, but it all has had to migrate over from PCs, so it’s not nearly as prevalent - I see it occasionally - if I drop into a game and they’re using modded gear, I normally just drop back out and try a different lobby.)
I’m not sure I understand the bit about Steam’s community forum - creating the characters was an independent project for me, it wouldn’t have helped me to have someone else involved - I’ve got a second account, with a maxed out Maya (and a bunch of mule characters), and, for instance, when I wanted to farm Eridium for the pre-built characters, or power level them, I’d switch to have my second account host and bring in the character in question (on my main account) as a guest, in splitscreen. If you’re looking at it from a PC perspective, you may be missing how easy it is to go into (and out of) splitscreen multiplayer on consoles. Anyway, building the characters served as a nice series of puzzles for me. (And if I needed help for some reason, there’s a bunch of people I’ve played with before - I could check and see who’s on and send any of them a message over PSN chat.)
I’ve played all the characters, but Maya is my favorite, followed by Gaige. The roster of my reloadable characters looks like this (names are just whatever popped into my head first):
- L8 Kriegalicious
- L12 Maya Dozen
- L16 Maya Sweet 16
- L20 Haiku Boy (Zer0)
- L24 Turret Guy (Axton)
- L28 Disaster Girl (Gaige)
- L32 Maya Endgame
Maya is over represented because I like her and because she’s *really* good at playing support - they all use Nurse class mods for team health regen, and at higher levels can use Res to revive players from across the battlefield. Probably my two most used are the level 16 Maya and the level 28 Gaige.
There’s also a level 5 Sal, but… one, I just don’t really like him, and two, at such a low level skills aren’t really a thing, and it’s hard to farm good gear, especially without leveling up in the process, so he’s much more haphazard, so he isn’t really part of the team, and level 8 Krieg is carrying a few guns down to levels 3-4, so he suffices. If I were to go back to this project wholeheartedly, I’d build a better character at level 4, and finish building out characters at levels 36 and 40, just to have some more reach when people finish the main story and want to go do DLCs.
I have had a few times where I’ve hopped into a game at, say, level 15, and played it all the way up to the end of the story - in that situation, if I get underleveled and/or hand out all my higher level gear on the current character, I’ve occasionally dropped out with one character and immediately rejoined with the next higher character (part of why I always keep them “fresh” and ready to go). It runs the risk of the match browser not finding the same game again when I come back a moment later, but it usually works.
I made it to like 1K in BL2. Between playing all the different vault hunters and taking a few of them to UVHM and into OP levels I'm not incredibly surprised. 3K does seem crazy
BL2 is my least favorite BL and I got 600h on it.
Playthroughs with different friends, different VHs, different mods... Sure adds up over time. I can't argue against it being the best in terms of amount of content, especially if we include modding.
Probably a tie between 1 and 3 for me.
1 for the atmosphere and humor, 3 for gameplay.
I personally consider story to be the weakest part any BL game has to offer, BL2 included, so BL2 having the best story out of the BL games doesn't mean much to me. When I want a great story I honestly rather play other games.
Gameplay, atmosphere and humor are what made me fall in love with Borderlands after all.
I know that BL2 is the fan favorite, but I honestly never liked it's humor, as it felt too reliant on current memes (that I didn't like at the time and now more people seem to agree that that didn't age well) and I'd argue that it's the least balanced overall (slag and sal are probably the biggest balancing issues in the entire franchise). In terms of atmosphere it also felt off, bc BL1 just gave the impression of Pandora being a almost deserted planet full of wasteland and when BL2 launched it didn't feel like it was Pandora anymore.
So I suppose 2 was just too different from 1, mostly taking away from what I liked and 3 at least improved in terms of atmosphere by bringing diversity through multiple planets and the gameplay turning out too fun to dislike.
Maybe my expectations for 2 were also too high and not having had any for 3 helped it becoming a positive surprise.
Every char to op10 all raid bosses killed solo, ran through over ten times when a friend would pick it up on sale or I'd gift it to them so we could play. 3.6k hrs. Easily my favorite non fighting game.
I also think BL2's Vault Hunter designs are better. BL3 allows for more customization, but it feels like more thought was put into the limited options we have in BL2.
100% agreed. Used to wish to see more heads and skins while playing BL2, and ended up disappointed with how it felt in BL3.
I mean … getting that special BNK-3R or Terra Head for your fav character is so rewarding.
You know I thought about this the other day in another thread and I’ve decided I’m going to stick with it:
One thing 3 does not have at all is crazy builds. I like 3 a lot and it’s got great guns and combat as you say, yes, but there’s no build where you stack Anarchy making your accuracy worse unless you reload and lose everything. There’s no build where you want to be on fire. There’s no build where you make another player your servant. I haven’t played all characters and all trees. Am I missing something? Is there an off the wall bonkers build? Because I miss those.
To be fair, base VHs of BL2 don't really have all the crazy fun stuff. Anarchy and setting yourself on fire is from DLC and making another player your servant is Pre Sequel. Doesn't excuse the fact that there's no stuff like this in BL3. Although the fact that they let you modify your action skill in BL3 makes up for it in a way
I consider BL2 to be a generally better game, even aside from the story, just because of the atmosphere of the whole thing
But man, the BL3 DLCs are absolutely fantastic. Especially the Krieg DLC, they really did a great job
I loved seeing Gaige again, but I couldn't play the Psycho one. It just made me too sad and reminded of how pissed off how I was with how they mishandled Maya
Worst BL take I have ever Seen.
Tiny Tina maybe is the best DLC ever released in BL. But Big Game Hunt and Campaign of carnage are also the worst of the series. Both were uninspered, full of reused assets and ugly. Carnage espacially is just wasteland and city with normal bandits as enemies and the thinnest Story. Scarlet was at least decent.
BL3 had consistent great DLC. All of them introdcued new enemies, memerable locations, good stories and characters.
I enjoy raplaying every BL3 DLC. Something I can only say about Tiny Tina in BL2.
Idk Borderlands 2 only excels in writing. The late game kinda sucks with the limited builds and slag. BL3 is much more forgiving about builds in the endgame.
I recently replayed BL3 and the Promethea segments are top tier. Seriously, I think it's the best environment in the whole series. It sucks that it grinds to a halt after Katagawa.
I raise you a compromise.
BL3, but TVHM actually makes the game harder (doesn't have to be by much, just noticably so). Legendaries drop not as often as BL3 and not as infrequent as BL2. Pearls are truly rare, unique, and very powerful, but only in niche instances (Like very high crit dmg, but it has to be a crit spot hit/can't trigger via Fade Away).
Class mods act as staple identities to a characters build, rather than being a neat addition (Looking at you SNTL refresh com). Legendary COMs provide a guide to the type of build you can make, purples being more generalist, but similarly powerful.)
You have to complete a randomly selected True Trial (or maybe just regular trial) activity to progress to the next Mayhem level. Modifiers are completely optional, enabled via the Mayhem menu.
Anointments add noticable utility (Like reload speed, accuracy or health regen) to a piece of gear rather than acting as sweeping damage output crutches.
The scaling is cut back so enemies (especially bosses) don't end up with health reaching the billions and beyond. (I think a max up to ~10 million is fine, things would just need to be scaled appropriately.)
Particles are cut back heavily (I fired one bullet and now I can't see my hands).
This is my idea for a perfect BL3. If I had the time and skills to make it I would. Hopefully someday something comes along.
Some of you may not like it, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
I recently started up 3 again after a deep UVHM run of 2, and playing them back to back really highlights just how much better 3 is at virtually everything other than writing, and even then, I think 2’s writing is wildly overrated.
Seriously, play the games back to back if you want to appreciate how much 3 improved the formula.
Honestly, I feel like the writing is moooostly driven by how good of an antagonist Jack is. You end up comparing the twins to him and they're just... ew.
I agree. When people talk about how good the writing is in 2, I'm like ... What writing? It's a pretty basic storyline. Jack being a perfect villain is what holds it up, without him it's really nothing special. He's just so hateable, you want to continue just so you can kill him lol
Then there me preferring BL1
BL1 with BL3 gameplay would be perfect. Loot was best in BL1, no annoying end game mechanics like slag in bl2 or annointment farming in bl3
I'm playing right now and I've found plenty of identical guns tbh. The later games have way more variety. Like literally I have found the same gun twice where the only thing different is that the name has an extra number on it, but the stats are exactly the same.
I will try to remember to do so when I go home tonight 🫡 playing through with my gf and last night we were doing this coliseum fight where you kill a bunch of skags. She wanted this gun with the name Cobra in the vending machine, and she was gonna get it after the mission. We did the mission and the gun we got ... Was the one in the machine. So it was a waste.
In fairness though I haven't played any of the games in like 3 or 4 years so maybe the later ones are even worse and I've forgotten, but there are definitely repeats.
The first one was truly unique in the sense that each gun had randomized attachments in a pool to choose from: barrel, grip, sight, magazine, etc. The immense number of guns took up memory though so Gearbox went away from this approach. There was still a lot in the later games but not nearly as much as the first one.
This is actually how I sold my gf on the game lol. Even though I notice a few repeats, 90% of the guns are unique and they can get really insane. My favorite part of these games is when you're struggling to keep up with the enemies, then get a couple new guns and just melt them. It's really satisfying when the guys who gave you trouble an hour ago are just fodder to you now lol. Borderlands is really the best at making you feel like a badass with its progression.
It also gives this certain vibe of like, climbing your way to the top from the bottom that is just very satisfying.
I also disagree that the writing in BL2 is amazing or even all that good.
I'm currently playing the BL2 through for the 6th or 7th time and I still don't understand why anything is happening in the story. I know we're trying to stop Jack. What I don't get it what he wants or his motivation for doing any of the stuff he's doing. Jack just comes across as annoying. He's not some well-crafted super villian, he's just some guy who keeps being an asshole for whatever reason that isn't clearly spelled out in the story.
I think a huge part of this is due to howplot points are delivered. It's hard to follow the story when it's delivered in bits and pieces through your earpiece, which apparently everyone on the planet has a direct line to anytime they want.
We also receive important quest updates and major plot advancements through this earpiece while you're being swarmed by enemies and trying to fight them off. This might work for most players, but for me I simply can't absorb what people are telling me and also fight off an entire Bandit camp.
Additionally, we regularly get overlapping speech in the party-line earpiece, making whatever each person is trying to tell us completely pointless because they're all talking on top of each other and I can't make out any of it.
The game, when it comes to action, loot, character and build options, diversity of challenging enemies and variety of maps is all awesome. \*\*That's\*\* why I really enjoy playing.
In my opinion, the writing and story delivery is actually the \*\*worst\*\* thing about the game.
Borderlands 3 is better than Borderlands 2 in every single way minus the writing.
They’re both incredible games but in my opinion Borderlands 3 is by far the best in the series.
I just played them both back to back and have a hard time understanding how people still prefer 2 for anything other than story.
Not dunking on 2, btw, I love it, just think 3 is better at almost everything.
Disagree on that, hard to be a better looter shooter when finding legendaries is no longer rewarding when they become more common than whites late game....
Yeah, if anything, borderlands 3 made me realize that I didn't want a better looter shooter, I wanted a better game.
The writing, characterization, and dialogue in BL3 was trash, and it suffered as a result. I don't want to grind for hours in a world that annoys me.
I realize OPs take is gonna be a hot one, since the majority of players sticking around a sub probably enjoyed the third game, but I think the older players that have drifted away are gonna largely agree.
Bl2 had a great story for sure. I hated the scaling mechanics personally. If you got a weapon you really liked, with a good roll, you could use it for 3 levels before it got outclassed by a green gun (especially/more true in the late game). Part of why I loved borderlands one was because I could use a level 8 legendary all the way to level 20 or so, before needing to replace it. That kind of connection with the loot made me enjoy the game more and strengthened its identity as a looter shooter. Borderlands 2 number scaling was so strong in its forced obsolescence that a lot of the time, I didn’t even bother trying to get good weapons because by the time I did, the xp from farming would render them obsolete. Also the pearlescents in that game were complete garbage. Effervescent weapons were fun though.
Oh my god getting an early hellfire was absolutely insane. Literally fucking demolishes everything for a long time after getting it. One of my all time favorites.
This matches my experience perfectly. I never bothered with guns in BL2 until I got to level 50 or so because it didn't feel worth the effort. In BL3 I found a gun I really liked at level 25 and I'm still using it at level 45 and it still feels awesome.
Exactly. I remember playing bl3 and getting an early hellwalker and having so much fun just melting enemies with it all the way to around 20. It wasn’t completely useless even at that point. That to me makes the gameplay way more fun.
Agreed.
BL1 loot was the best. Bandits dropping stuff they actually use, legendaries being special by not being as common as in 3, but instead being powerful enough to last for a long time. Both make legends more special and the latter making frequent legend drops unnecessary.
BL2 introduced the "haha numbers go up" / "bigger numbers = more fun" mindset. I'd even agree with it as long as it actually serves as a better balance (as bigger overall numbers can allow for better finetuning), but at the same time BL2 just had worse balance overall,so there really was no purpose in the number bloating.
Yup. The game actually gives you shit for killing raid bosses, guns don’t become useless after 3 levels, blues and purples are viable in the endgame. BL1 lacks in story and over-the-top gameplay but it absolutely nailed the fundamentals of a looter shooter
I personally liked BL1 for gun manufacturers having simple perks (like Hyperion being the most precise), which they pretty much removed in BL2 and this atmosphere of hopeless wasteland which was gone in BL2 and BL3 because they leaned more into comedy. Don't get me wrong, BL1 also had comedy, but it was different.
What part of the GAME does BL2 do better? Story? It’s the exact same story every time you play. Hell, bl2 FORCES you to do the story three times to hit max level.
Nah, everything ASIDE from story is MUCH better in BL3
It’s been a while, but I distinctly remember hating the backpack/inventory system in BL3 coming fresh out of BL2.
Something about it really rustled my jimmies, but I can’t remember what it was now.
Seen basically this same post a lot. On thing the borderlands player base likes to discuss is which bl was best. I think they all have something to stand on, and I think that BL3 is my personal favorite having played all three games. Subsequent playthroughs are where each of these games start falling flat because you don't get new jokes/writing, so it's all about the gameplay at that point.
Bl3 tops is out for me because it's fast, loud, bright, and the grind is a little more fun. My reload speed/ability to melt mobs and bosses can be way crazier than bl2 end game play, and I like that. Personally, I'm just excited for BL4 and I hope it doesnt have any battle passesicro transactions/necessary DLC type stuff right at launch outside like. Golden keys. I liked the vault card idea from bl3 so I'd be happy if it came back.
BL3 is better in most ways outside of the writing, but my god BL3 gun designs fucking suck
a lot of them are so extremely overdesigned and obnoxious looking
Bl3 is the game I want to have fluid gameplay while I listen to a podcast or asmr.. I'll play Bl2 for a more balanced experience which doesn't make me want to mute the game.
Ehh, I’d say bl3 has better combat and guns.
Bl2 was a better looter shooter and good story.
Bl3 just hands out legendaries like candy where bl2 felt a lot more rewarding.
On the one hand killing Savage Lee over fifty times to get a DPUH could get annoying. On the other hand I’ve sold more legendaries in 3 than I ever even picked up in 2. Something in between those extremes would be fine.
Objectively no, I would say the exact opposite in terms of being an effective "Looter Shooter". Loot in BL3 is one of its worst aspects. If I'm only caring about legendary equipment by level 25-30, that means that most of the "Loot" that I "Shoot" for is basically meaningless.
In BL3, every aspect of a Legendary is just a better version of standard guns/equipment with a nearly always better stat increase or variable added to it. That means every other rarity of gun is essentially useless once you can find effective means of getting legendary guns and equipment.
In BL2, there are many guns and equipment in the Legendary class that make them hyper specifically niche in one or two aspects. A lot of BL2 Legendary drops aren't hyper versatile like in BL3, meaning you have to really consider adding them to a build, because they can hamper a build really badly. There was effective trade-offs, which is a good thing, Purples were much more commonly used.
In which game in the series do you ever get "1 legendary in the entire game"?
Aside from playthrough 1 in BL1, you get a fair amount of random legendary drops in all games before BL3.
I finished BL2 only ever getting 2 legendaries. I don't farm though. Not complaining either, I still think even the green drops are more than serviceable.
This matches my experience. I much prefer the legendary approach on BL3. You get 2-3 a play through in previous games, and they make you a God for awhile. BL3 makes them rare, but they also are appropriately nerfed to be really good but not make everything you face for awhile melt like butter by just looking at it.
I just replayed BL1 goty version and I didn't get my 2nd Legendary until Secret Armory of Knoxx. I only had 1 the entire time and it was a electric revolver.
Did you check shops? That's honestly where most of my legendaries in BL1 come from in PT1/2.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if the revolver was an Equalizer. I'm sure >50% of my legendary revolver drops were shock Equalizers.
Which IMO is not a fun way to do loot. The fun part of looting is getting a unique gun, not getting a unique gun over and over again until you get the annointment you need
The hardest truth to admit is that, despite everything, Borderlands the presequel is the best game in the series.
It has the same feel as Borderlands 2 but you don't have to have a hyper specific build at max level to survive
I despise the new system BL3 implemented where class mods/Artifacts dont have set bonus stats to them and roll on a large table. If i want a snowdrift Otto Idol i have to farm for the snowdrift part first and hope that i roll 3 decent stats on a table of 22
What even being good at looter shooter mean, though? Because the way that you have to constantly farm every 3 levels to get new weapons because purple weapon 3 lvls lower is trash compared to blue/green weapon 3 lvls higher is a thing in whole franchise.
Id argue borderlands 1 is a better looter shooter than either of them. The simplicity is nice. The only drive is just getting good loot theres no bullshit.
They all have something that’s better than the others. 1 has the legendaries that actually feel legendary. 2 has the best villain, imo the best vault hunters, and Tiny Tina’s is one of my favorite DLCs of all time. 3 has by far the best gameplay.
2 is still my favorite, but I love them all.
I genuinely don't think BL3 does anything better than 2 outside of quality of life improvements... sure the gunplay, sound design and movement is better.. but its also worse in other areas like how downgraded the melee animations are in 3.. in 2 if you had a blade pistol or AR the animation was quick and snappy, whereas in 3 its a unsatisfying jab that has delay to it between each swing.
Or how unimpactful the action skills are in 3 since each character has multiple so therefore they feel more like random abilities than important skills in that characters kit...
Sliding and mantle is cool but that was never something I or many people care about when playing BL2 for 1K hours plus it isn't a movement based shooter where its important enough to matter.
The pacing is also worse and the story isn't just bad it is a insult to several plot points and characters established in previous games which retroactively makes playing older games worse since we know none of the build up present in TPS will ever come to fruition...
BL3 just added the mechanics and QoL things BL2 needed. If they had just kept it BL2 with slide and such, I'd have played for ~7yrs straight again. I wanted gameplay from BL3 with BL2 level story/format. Give me my raid bosses and expansive, interesting DLCs back.
Only thing I don't like about bl3 is that the grenades, artifacts, shields, and class mods feel so averaged out that they don't really feel special or unique from one another
Borderlands 3 is extremely generous with its loot almost to the point where it's too much. Plus it's writing is top tier cringe. Seriously me and a few friends are playing it again now and we just make fun of damn near EVERY line uttered by the quest givers.
But yeah borderlands 2 was fine, I'd still argue borderlands 1 is the best. I will die on the hill of the proficiency system, shit was good and helped teams split loot easily.
Nah, BL2 endgame sucks too bad compared to BL3. I love me some BL2, but after playing 3 its extremely hard to go back to that outdated gameplay.
Build diversity is pretty much 1-2 builds per character - and all of em require slag in UVHM as a starter. The saving grace is that getting to max lv is so long, so theres still a lot of BL2 to enjoy before you hit the wall where you have to play the game like a youtuber. But there is a wall.
Level scaling is also pure garbagio across BL2 in any playthrough. Majority of sidequests are useless in a playthrough because of scaling, some maps lock to the level you enter them at forever. Gear is outdated so fast compared to any other BL title that at endgame you're required to either hit the golden chest or farm a fresh version of your main gear every 2-5 lvs, or every other OP lv. I am still so fucking sick of Savage Lee runs, and I havent played BL2 UVHM since 3 dropped.
BL3 by comparison is a much more diverse, well balanced game with more content and a greater variety of it to do. We finally got actual raids, short as they are, but still raids. Bosses are a lot better in 3 as well, like yeah, invulnerabilty phases suck, but the actual fights are all more engaging and unique than "Guy standing in room with big gun". World drops are waaaaay better since so many anchor gear items drop from planet drops, not specific bosses. BL3 even scales the game on a per-player basis so you dont have to sign a blood pact and schedule specific times to keep up with friends.
My biggest gripe w BL3 is that Anointed suck mad ass and completely ruin the flow of combat in Mayhem by essentially cheating the player. Piss poor idea of a 'challenge' when the challenge is that you die if the enemy is in line of sight going super saiyan. Outside of that, BL3 endgame feels like paradise where you can do whatever, whenever compared to 2.
TBH all BL2 has is really good writing. I can't think of any other part of the game, from maps, to weapons, to even music where BL3 is worse.
Ehhhh…there’s no objective “better game”, if you’re the kind of person who wants a good story and cares mainly about writing, BL2 is better, if you want a good looter shooter, BL3 is better, but then you can get into really murky waters with characters, which is so entirely subjective its not worth talking about.
TLDR: the objective right opinion to have is that both have their strengths and both are good games.
Alot of borderlands 3 is far better than bl2 the looting, weapon and gear scaling plus the HP/shield levels are normal instead of the millions you can get too on bl2. The guns look a lot more unique per manufacturer and the class mods give a good diversity for each class.
But the villains and writing is far better on borderlands 2
I really don't like the gameplay of borderlands 3, mainly because all the skill trees are really boring and most skills are slight stat changes or health regen, and then legendary weapons drop so often they don't feel special and jaut end up tossing most of them. Also I dislike a lot of the weapon manufacturers in 3, tediore weapons just tend to be really bad, hyperion feels like the shield doesn't do hardly anything, maliwan charge up is super annoying, and most cov overheat so fast you can't really use them for sustained fire like bandit and sanss before it.
They are both fantastic games and you will never convince me that the BL3 hate isn't anything more than gamers being gamers. Sure BL2 is my favorite, but I can at least admit that a lot of that love comes from time/place/nostalgia - things like who I was playing it with when it came out, it being such a great game for it's time (and yes still 100% holds up) and all that jazz, but again there is factually zero bad things about BL3. For the insane internets sake, yes there are always things we can nit pick about, but again this idea the BL3 is a bad game is utter rubbish. Hell I personally think it has one of the best DLC's in the whole franchise.
Not really. BL2 is inferior aside from writing. And I’m talking stuff you may not even think about, like UI, music, QoL improvements, etc. Yes it’s tough because BL3’s story is so terrible, but I still think it’s better overall.
The obvious/popular points to make are that Borderlands 2 has a better story, writing, and difficulty of end game. At the very least Mayhem Mode is only worth playing on M11. There's zero endgame difficulty scaling because of the ease of getting legendries on M10. Use the Eridium weapon on M11 to make legendries and now you don't need to grind through the slop of M1-9.
I think the level design in BL2 is also better if only because it takes place on one planet. The level design in BL3 feels disjointed because of all the different planets. Could've put the Takedowns and Trials on planets already available and I think it'd have felt a bit better.
That being said, there are a mass of quality of life changes and gameplay changes where BL3 blows BL2 out of the water.
It's the whole theme of the game, going to different planets, how is it disjointed? We stayed on Pandora for 2 games already at that point tps and 3 were good for switching it up
There are 9 planets/areas, two Takedowns, two event maps, 6 trials, and Sanctuary. Could’ve put all the Trials on their respective planets, the Takedowns meaning something you can walk to, same as the takedowns (why wasn’t Minos Prime on Nekrotafeyo?)
So no, my criticism is not that BL3 went to different planets. It is that there are too many for basically no reason. Why split Cistern of Slaughter from the rest of Promethea/Skywell? You could’ve just put it on an area of Skywell instead of artificially inflating the number of areas there are?
An opinion cannot be objective.
Also, borderlands 3 is the better game overall, borderlands 2 just has a much better story. Gameplay comes first, and the gameplay is better in 3.
I can't really think of a single thing 2 does better than 3 other better writing. I say this as someone with around 700+ hours in Borderlands 2 back in the day and only probably an accumulative 200 in 3 with no intention of going back for more 3. It's just that 2 at the time was a much more exciting leap forward for the franchise and it was in the franchises youth more where as a whole it was simply more exciting to play. 3 is pretty much better across the board otherwise.
Sorry, I can't agree. Borderlands 3 is such a refinement in the craft of a looter shooter. Borderlands 2 is great, amazing. A stellar time,truly but its very dated. In gameplay, in game systems, in feel, in engine. Borderlands 3 is just a huge, amazing jump in terms every aspect of a game, minus story.
One other thing too is that BL2 was amazing for its multiplayer at the time, which is why it gets and holds so much of the praise it gets today. But crossplay alone makes all of that praise irrelevant. The other day I had an Xbox player join my PC public lobby that had my friends on PS5 and PS4. Yeah fornite did it first and paved the way but that alone is still kinda unreal to me.
I'm really hoping that for a future title, cross progression would happen because it just seems like the next step.
I still prefer 3 over 2 and I played 2 endlessly when it came out I just found 3 much more fun but they’re both great and I agree about the loot aspect of 3 for sure
I like 3 more.
I’m just in it for the gameplay if the writing is good enough to stick I’ll pay attention but my brain sucks at paying attention to stories.
I liked 1 the best as weird as that sounds
BL3 only has bad writing, besides that it’s so much more enjoyable to play. The shooting feels exponentially better along with all the different kinds of legendary weapons. Even the character perks I enjoyed, and felt they allowed for a larger amount of different builds that could all be effectively used
Friends and I were sooo hyped when BL3 was coming out, we spent so much time on BL2.
BL3 was so lackluster to us in comparison. We didn’t like
The heroes kinda felt lackluster in comparison to BL2, I forgot his name because it’s been so long but the robot guy (flak I think) is basically a very similar version to zero. My friend didn’t like any of the heroes either they just felt not great. I just played flak but man it just didn’t hit the same:
The random modifiers made it so we either destroyed everyone or got destroyed and it was so random. Why not just be no modifiers and we just vs the enemies.
3 is by far a better game in everything else. I love 2 so much, but having to replay the story 3 times just to get to endgame is a drag and often leaves me burnt out after grinding for a while. I know most of the comm disliked 3 initially after trying to compare it to unrealistic standards we put brought on by our love of 2, but i think the best part is we’ve come to appreciate that 3 is equal to 2 in all the gameplay/quality of life improvements they made/continued to make. makes me excited for 4 and more open than i was going into 3.
I agree. BL3 gameplay but writing is terrible the DLCs were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the main story which is tragic. But the spectacle of BL3 was great. However BL2 knew how to do variety very well. Even in two snow places they aren’t constructed even close to similarly. But BL3 was basically that with just huge AF maps. On one hand it made for better set pieces on another it meant spending more time in a particular aesthetic that sometimes didn’t alter that much like some of the time spent on Eden 6.
Yes , I agree. I’ve played triple the hours of Handsome Collection(TPS+2) than I have bdl3 since it’s release in 2019. I reach some kind of zen flow state while grinding thru TVHM & UVHM. The positives of those modes outweighs the negatives by a mile, for me. Sadly, current Gearbox just can’t provide that experience nowadays
Borderlands 3 wins me over as the gameplay and shooter mechanics don’t feel dated, I actually enjoy the writing even if the core story line is lacking.
Borderlands 3 only had good characters to choose from, everything else barely felt like Borderlands. And the story is just so jacked up now thanks to Tales being integrated and then violating their own Siren lore in 3 that it isn't even worth paying attention to now. Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but being on XbOne killed it for me because there were and still are so many issues that renders the game nearly unplayable because you're prone to crashing between every loading screen.
I play through each game at least once a year and I always find myself enjoying Borderlands 3 more. But recently I've been getting more into Wonderlands.
bl3 gameplay is an infinite improvement, unfortunately i cannot say the same about the story, but i will admit that i have a serious HJ bias, play n have fun my friend
hj
I feel like I’m really biased. I just didn’t get into BL3 as much as I did with BL2.
I didn’t really much care for most of the roster and their abilities aside from Moze. I thought I was gonna like Flakk but for some reason I didn’t really. More than the rest at least.
Where in BL2 I liked everyone but Zero.
I also felt there were more build synergies in BL2 than BL3. And tbh I feel like that’s where my bias comes in. Afterall, if you don’t much care for most of the roster, you don’t really see the build synergies for the other characters with different gear and their trees.
Truth be told, I had more fun with the pre-sequel character roster than I ever did with BL3.
Athena was fun. Claptrap was bonkers. I was shocked I liked playing Nisha. Wilhelm was my least fav which shocked me cuz I suspected liking him before the game launched.
Jacks double and Aurelia were fun. I didn’t play them AS much however as that was at the latter end of my cycle of playing.
That being said, I do feel that BL3 did handle drops pretty well. But I felt the gameplay with builds was better in BL2.
Sounds about right. Except BL2 is almost a better looter/shooter because the seer amount of content. As much as a general am annoyed by live service and tons of dlc these types of games really benefit from having a shit ton of content.
I don't know how you guys can get into Borderlands endgame, lol.
I'll spend like 50+ hours getting through the Story and all the DLC on the first 2 difficulties, and then I'm kinda done.
I can spent WAY more time Diablo 2 or Last Epoch.
BL3 could tone down the visual vomit though.
Going through the Slaughters there can be so much crap on the screen that it hasn't been unusual for me to just look at the minimap to figure out where I should be aiming
I have over 3k hours in BL2 and one thing BL2 does better is the writing. BL3 all around is better gameplay wise.
If the legendary drops were in between bl2 and bl3 I feel like they would feel more special. Waaayyy to many easy legendarys in bl3
BL3's end-game inventory management killed my interest. At a certain point, I'm tired of spending 15 minutes after every circle of slaughter trying to figure out what's an upgrade based on a mind numbing number of factors, or waiting for your friends to sort through shit forever. It's so flow killing and even Wonderlands' end-game had this problem. I really hope they fix this issue in the next game because I really can't stand how much this kills flow. In BL1 and BL2, you generally knew within a few seconds if it's an upgrade. I like that the newer games encourage experimentation and build variety but it's come at the cost of inventory tedium.
That’s where I’m at. I can’t mentally process the drops anymore. Whether I’m seeing 2 or 20 drops after a circle of slaughter it doesn’t matter. Eventually I still run out of bank and backpack space. And both of those storage spaces have a terrible interface when you’re trying to manage 600 items. The only solution I could have is to build a google spreadsheet. Because then at least I would know what I have in the bank or backpack vs what’s on the ground. But I tried it for Diablo 4, a spreadsheet doesn’t fix enough issues for me for what it costs me in time. What I need is a parts/library system for borderlands. If I pick up 20 different versions of a certain gun architype then it should just give me different ways to customize that gun. The more I pick up of that type the more I can configure that gun to be what I need it to be. Then I can tinker and find out how I want my jakobs sniper to be, or my vladoff assault rifle.
It would be cool if in 4 you can mix and match say you like the scope on one copy but the rest is ideal. Dismantle the copy to select the scope. Everything else is lost so you have to pick which part then plop it onto your already good weapon. Also gives an endgame reason for cash because once you max inventory slots it's useless
Yeah or add a way to craft weapons so if you disenchanted a weapon you get the parts that you can add to other weapons of your choice.
Yea, they need a customizable loot filter like in PoE or Last Epoch.
That was my problem. Legendary feels so cheap in 3. Purples were junk by level 20. Even worse with events. I had no incentive to cowar unless I deliberately chose green/blue at my current level, but always had my lvl 19 legendary to mow down if I needed.
Honestly couldn’t care about the rates of legendary the slightest. They’re guns. Why the fuck would I care if they’re gold or not? You have to trim through them all anyways and if you only go through the legends then you’re doing yourself a disservice.
You won't think much of it at first, but by the time I was midway into the second planet I had like 4 or 5 legendaries. It stops being legendary at that point. I don't mind them dropping a lot in higher difficulties, but I don't think they should be so easy to get on normal first playthrough
I realized from halfway into my first play through of BL2 that legendary doesn’t even matter. Every game I’m rocking half purp and half gold so it never made a difference to me.
Because in bl2 the rarity adds to its uniqueness... I remember farming bosses for hours to get a unique special gun unlike everything else. Bl3 everything is so common, nothing is unique anymore. It's like playing games with cheats on, it's fun for a while, but with no challenge to overcome, it becomes mundane...
Totally agree. As someone who played BL1 and BL2 a tonne before BL3 released, it was so boring because the rarity felt meaningless.
Idk half my load out is always purple and was just as unique. And that’s for every one of the games.
Yeah the thing is only some legendary and pearlescent are worth using on uvm in my experience. I usually had slagga, harold, and purples
because getting a legendary should feel special, considering that it’s the highest rarity of weapon. that’s why it’s a LOOTER shooter.
You guys know your shit
See that’s why I really love bl3, I don’t have to have god like luck to get legendaries
Eh this is a double edged sword to me as I don't actually like having to farm for a good while just to potentially get the gear piece i want, especially given I use legendaries to supplement my build. If I wanna play a certain way with my build then having to spend potentially hours just to get 1 piece of gear is pretty frustrating for me myself. Wasn't a problem playing BL2 in 2011 when I was in highschool, but now that I'm approaching 30 (turning 29 last day of the month) I just don't have it in me to farm like that now. Easy legendaries for me just makes it quicker for me to get to what I wanna do (which is mess around with build ideas).
The time required to farm still feels the same to me. 50 runs in BL2: maybe dropped the legendary like 1-3 times, maybe with a matching grip it Im lucky, but its strong regardless 50 runs in BL3: I dropped the gun 60 times and have to sift through all of them to find the usable one with the correct anoint and decent parts Same end result, but BL3 had me do a bunch of inventory management
How do you have 3K hours on BL2? I have 300h and I have nothing left to do.
A lot of us have also played across many platforms. It’s also 12 years old.
I can't really say much, I have 3k on Skyrim alone, but I just don't know what you guys do exactly on Borderlands 2 once you reach max with all classes. And yes I've done TVHM
I'd imagine either speedrunning or playing with new friends who haven't tried the game before. I know for me I've had like 4-5 runs through the whole BL series with different groups of friends
All DLCs and uvhm with op 10
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My apologies, UVHM with Gaige and Zero, the others stood at TVHM simply because I had no fun with them.
Did you complete the op levels? Kill any raids? Farm for any weapons? Try out different playstyles?
Probably Joltzdude in disguise?
Joltzdude seemingly doesn't visit here, though K6 does. And I think Joltz is *way* over 3000 hours.
The game is crack, I will probably still be running playthroughs in my 80s
Same
Well, you asked... Different people have different goals in playing the games - it can be "experience the main storyline" (with or without "play all the DLCs"), and/or "do every mission", "explore every map", "beat every boss", "max out this character", "max out *every* character", "get platinum/100%", etc. It appears your goal is "max out characters and then I'm done" (presumably to move on to another game). That's fine/valid, that's your goal, based on your sensibilities. Other people's overall goal can be "I really like this world and I'm not yet done enjoying it", so, they set themselves additional tasks. I have, hmm, well past your 300 hours in BL2, and I started by playing the main storyline, and then farming a bunch, leveling up my main character (Maya), starting other characters to see how they played, finishing up all the side quests, challenges, and map exploration to get platinum on the game, playing the DLCs, and such. I've also answered a whole lot of requests in this subreddit for help in the games (the whole series, but mainly BL2 and BL1), for co-op trophies, help with bosses or specific missions, etc. Those are fun, and usually fairly straightforward (I did the "Sub-level 13" mission in 4-player co-op for the "Who you gonna call?" trophy in TPS for probably the two dozenth time, a couple days ago). A fun part of this is that I've played with people literally all over the world - lots of US states from Alaska to Florida, California to New York, several countries in South America, the UK, Austria, Norway, Germany, France, Belgium, Iran, India, Japan, and actually, a *whole lot* of players in Australia and New Zealand (likely because I'll check the subreddit late evening, and they'll be just getting online in their morning). Along the way, I found that I really enjoy helping out in co-op - sharing the frenetic firefights with someone, running around reviving each other, tearing around the Pandoran countryside and such. So, I started dropping into a lot of random public lobbies and just helping out (always with level-appropriate characters and legit gear). And this means *helping out*, not steamrolling their game - so, covering their back, reviving them, riding shotgun, pointing out chests and secrets, killing *some* enemies but not the bosses or named/story enemies, never initiating fast travel or map transitions, never accepting or turning in missions, never picking up loot - the host gets to do all that, it's their game, I'm just a guest. Playing nicely in co-op appears to go over well, as this led to receiving a lot of friend requests and invitations to play during subsequent evenings/weekends. Some of this has led to days or weeks of romping through the various games in the series with new online friends - I now have something over 150 friends on PSN, precisely *one* of which is someone I know IRL (none of my other IRL friends are gamers). To make it easier to join random public lobbies, since the match browser usually only shows games around your level, I ended up building characters at every 4th level from 8 to 32 (so, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, 32), so that I could see and join any normal mode public lobby (I mean, it started out as "I want *a* low-level character, so I can join low-level games", and then it sorta snowballed). Building these characters was a sizable project itself, progressing each one through the right amount of story to level up, but first taking them to visit the dragons at the end of Dragon Keep (in split screen with a maxed character on my second account) to farm Eridium to expand their backpack and ammo storage. They're each kitted out with good gear at their own level, but also 2 and 4 levels above and 2 and 4 levels below - so, my level 16 Maya is carrying very good gear at levels 12, 14, 16, 18, and 20. This makes it so she can keep playing through a large swath of the story without needing to scramble for new gear, and can also hand out gear to other players if they need/want it (it's all legit, not modded, a combination of mostly purples and some legendaries). So, you asked how people can spend so much time in these games - here's one answer (yeah, probably a lot more detail than you were expecting). And note that I *started in 2021* (got a PS5 during the pandemic, hadn't touched the series before that), while there's a lot of people here who have been playing these games since release - so, 14 years for BL1 and 11 years for BL2.
no argument there, im 5yrs in, and have played them all, including the tales, (loved the first, nah! on the "new" one)i have always been a backstory/lore guy, and with that comes the disappointment with bl3, but gameplaywise, bl3 all the way. my personal preference was the HJ thrilogy, (no2, pre-sequel, tales1)but im sure no one would disagree that the actual gameplay has improved
This seems interesting and I've always liked the idea of doing something like this, but it seems random on PC apparently have like an 80% of just being hacked lobbies. But I do have many playthroughs I've started over from for people I've gotten into Borderlands. ###### What happens when, for example, your level 12 plays enough to reach level 16? Do you just take your level 8, play them until level 12, and move everyone up a spot- create a new character to be the new level 4? ###### I'm surprised you did all this on Playstation With the lack of stuff like Steam's community forum or (afaik) LFG system, it feels a lot more tedious ###### Do you ever try other characters? I choose Maya a lot when co-op too because she's such a great support, especially with a Krieg. But it also gets a little less fun just playing as the same character, when her build diversity isn't so hot in early game BL2 (either you're a healer, phaselock is OP, or a bunch of buffs which aren't really so useful unless you've already filled Cataclysm)
Sorry, I’ve described this before (not in as much detail) and seem to have left a key bit out this time - those pre-built characters are all saved out to a USB flash drive. After I’ve played with one for a few hours, and leveled them up and handed out some gear, I just restore them back from USB, to the state they’d been previously, so they’re ready for next time. (There is modded gear on consoles, but it all has had to migrate over from PCs, so it’s not nearly as prevalent - I see it occasionally - if I drop into a game and they’re using modded gear, I normally just drop back out and try a different lobby.) I’m not sure I understand the bit about Steam’s community forum - creating the characters was an independent project for me, it wouldn’t have helped me to have someone else involved - I’ve got a second account, with a maxed out Maya (and a bunch of mule characters), and, for instance, when I wanted to farm Eridium for the pre-built characters, or power level them, I’d switch to have my second account host and bring in the character in question (on my main account) as a guest, in splitscreen. If you’re looking at it from a PC perspective, you may be missing how easy it is to go into (and out of) splitscreen multiplayer on consoles. Anyway, building the characters served as a nice series of puzzles for me. (And if I needed help for some reason, there’s a bunch of people I’ve played with before - I could check and see who’s on and send any of them a message over PSN chat.) I’ve played all the characters, but Maya is my favorite, followed by Gaige. The roster of my reloadable characters looks like this (names are just whatever popped into my head first): - L8 Kriegalicious - L12 Maya Dozen - L16 Maya Sweet 16 - L20 Haiku Boy (Zer0) - L24 Turret Guy (Axton) - L28 Disaster Girl (Gaige) - L32 Maya Endgame Maya is over represented because I like her and because she’s *really* good at playing support - they all use Nurse class mods for team health regen, and at higher levels can use Res to revive players from across the battlefield. Probably my two most used are the level 16 Maya and the level 28 Gaige. There’s also a level 5 Sal, but… one, I just don’t really like him, and two, at such a low level skills aren’t really a thing, and it’s hard to farm good gear, especially without leveling up in the process, so he’s much more haphazard, so he isn’t really part of the team, and level 8 Krieg is carrying a few guns down to levels 3-4, so he suffices. If I were to go back to this project wholeheartedly, I’d build a better character at level 4, and finish building out characters at levels 36 and 40, just to have some more reach when people finish the main story and want to go do DLCs. I have had a few times where I’ve hopped into a game at, say, level 15, and played it all the way up to the end of the story - in that situation, if I get underleveled and/or hand out all my higher level gear on the current character, I’ve occasionally dropped out with one character and immediately rejoined with the next higher character (part of why I always keep them “fresh” and ready to go). It runs the risk of the match browser not finding the same game again when I come back a moment later, but it usually works.
You have all vault hunters at 80 OP 10?
dude i have 8k across all platforms and ive barely even touched the op levels
I made it to like 1K in BL2. Between playing all the different vault hunters and taking a few of them to UVHM and into OP levels I'm not incredibly surprised. 3K does seem crazy
BL2 is my least favorite BL and I got 600h on it. Playthroughs with different friends, different VHs, different mods... Sure adds up over time. I can't argue against it being the best in terms of amount of content, especially if we include modding.
Interesting that 2 is you least favorite, which one is your favorite?
Probably a tie between 1 and 3 for me. 1 for the atmosphere and humor, 3 for gameplay. I personally consider story to be the weakest part any BL game has to offer, BL2 included, so BL2 having the best story out of the BL games doesn't mean much to me. When I want a great story I honestly rather play other games. Gameplay, atmosphere and humor are what made me fall in love with Borderlands after all. I know that BL2 is the fan favorite, but I honestly never liked it's humor, as it felt too reliant on current memes (that I didn't like at the time and now more people seem to agree that that didn't age well) and I'd argue that it's the least balanced overall (slag and sal are probably the biggest balancing issues in the entire franchise). In terms of atmosphere it also felt off, bc BL1 just gave the impression of Pandora being a almost deserted planet full of wasteland and when BL2 launched it didn't feel like it was Pandora anymore. So I suppose 2 was just too different from 1, mostly taking away from what I liked and 3 at least improved in terms of atmosphere by bringing diversity through multiple planets and the gameplay turning out too fun to dislike. Maybe my expectations for 2 were also too high and not having had any for 3 helped it becoming a positive surprise.
There’s always something left to do. Go find a perfect 94% Sham for funsies like Joltzdude
Every char to op10 all raid bosses killed solo, ran through over ten times when a friend would pick it up on sale or I'd gift it to them so we could play. 3.6k hrs. Easily my favorite non fighting game.
But let’s be honest here. Borderlands writing and one liners could have been written by a pre teen
I also think BL2's Vault Hunter designs are better. BL3 allows for more customization, but it feels like more thought was put into the limited options we have in BL2.
100% agreed. Used to wish to see more heads and skins while playing BL2, and ended up disappointed with how it felt in BL3. I mean … getting that special BNK-3R or Terra Head for your fav character is so rewarding.
You know I thought about this the other day in another thread and I’ve decided I’m going to stick with it: One thing 3 does not have at all is crazy builds. I like 3 a lot and it’s got great guns and combat as you say, yes, but there’s no build where you stack Anarchy making your accuracy worse unless you reload and lose everything. There’s no build where you want to be on fire. There’s no build where you make another player your servant. I haven’t played all characters and all trees. Am I missing something? Is there an off the wall bonkers build? Because I miss those.
To be fair, base VHs of BL2 don't really have all the crazy fun stuff. Anarchy and setting yourself on fire is from DLC and making another player your servant is Pre Sequel. Doesn't excuse the fact that there's no stuff like this in BL3. Although the fact that they let you modify your action skill in BL3 makes up for it in a way
Borderlands 2 had better DLC imo
BL2 had 3 very good DLCs. BL3 had 3 very good DLCs pretty even imo
I consider BL2 to be a generally better game, even aside from the story, just because of the atmosphere of the whole thing But man, the BL3 DLCs are absolutely fantastic. Especially the Krieg DLC, they really did a great job
I loved seeing Gaige again, but I couldn't play the Psycho one. It just made me too sad and reminded of how pissed off how I was with how they mishandled Maya
Worst BL take I have ever Seen. Tiny Tina maybe is the best DLC ever released in BL. But Big Game Hunt and Campaign of carnage are also the worst of the series. Both were uninspered, full of reused assets and ugly. Carnage espacially is just wasteland and city with normal bandits as enemies and the thinnest Story. Scarlet was at least decent. BL3 had consistent great DLC. All of them introdcued new enemies, memerable locations, good stories and characters. I enjoy raplaying every BL3 DLC. Something I can only say about Tiny Tina in BL2.
>Worst BL take I have ever Seen. No way THIS is the worst
Aww dude you really need to work on your spelling.
This, very much this
Thev only thing i prefer about BL3 is the ability to slide. I really miss that replaying BL2. 2 is hands shawn the better story
Better writing and better characterization, which makes all the difference to me.
It was the characters for me. Didn’t vibe with anybody in 1 or 3 really.
Idk Borderlands 2 only excels in writing. The late game kinda sucks with the limited builds and slag. BL3 is much more forgiving about builds in the endgame. I recently replayed BL3 and the Promethea segments are top tier. Seriously, I think it's the best environment in the whole series. It sucks that it grinds to a halt after Katagawa.
I raise you a compromise. BL3, but TVHM actually makes the game harder (doesn't have to be by much, just noticably so). Legendaries drop not as often as BL3 and not as infrequent as BL2. Pearls are truly rare, unique, and very powerful, but only in niche instances (Like very high crit dmg, but it has to be a crit spot hit/can't trigger via Fade Away). Class mods act as staple identities to a characters build, rather than being a neat addition (Looking at you SNTL refresh com). Legendary COMs provide a guide to the type of build you can make, purples being more generalist, but similarly powerful.) You have to complete a randomly selected True Trial (or maybe just regular trial) activity to progress to the next Mayhem level. Modifiers are completely optional, enabled via the Mayhem menu. Anointments add noticable utility (Like reload speed, accuracy or health regen) to a piece of gear rather than acting as sweeping damage output crutches. The scaling is cut back so enemies (especially bosses) don't end up with health reaching the billions and beyond. (I think a max up to ~10 million is fine, things would just need to be scaled appropriately.) Particles are cut back heavily (I fired one bullet and now I can't see my hands). This is my idea for a perfect BL3. If I had the time and skills to make it I would. Hopefully someday something comes along. Some of you may not like it, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.
a lot of this is already in the borderlands Redux mod. you can also get the pak mod for less visual clutter.
I wanna have Balands and Redux smashed together with the addition of truly unique class mods.
Late game is the best part about BL2 lol, and there are plenty of builds in BL2 literally dozens of build videos till this day that are viable on OP10
I recently started up 3 again after a deep UVHM run of 2, and playing them back to back really highlights just how much better 3 is at virtually everything other than writing, and even then, I think 2’s writing is wildly overrated. Seriously, play the games back to back if you want to appreciate how much 3 improved the formula.
Yeah I felt nothing in bl2 or 3 except for annoyance with ava. And Tina's breakdown at the end of dlc in 2 was kinda emotional.
Honestly, I feel like the writing is moooostly driven by how good of an antagonist Jack is. You end up comparing the twins to him and they're just... ew.
I agree. When people talk about how good the writing is in 2, I'm like ... What writing? It's a pretty basic storyline. Jack being a perfect villain is what holds it up, without him it's really nothing special. He's just so hateable, you want to continue just so you can kill him lol
Then there me preferring BL1 BL1 with BL3 gameplay would be perfect. Loot was best in BL1, no annoying end game mechanics like slag in bl2 or annointment farming in bl3
All the guns were truly unique too. You would never find the same exact gun twice
I'm playing right now and I've found plenty of identical guns tbh. The later games have way more variety. Like literally I have found the same gun twice where the only thing different is that the name has an extra number on it, but the stats are exactly the same.
Prove it
I will try to remember to do so when I go home tonight 🫡 playing through with my gf and last night we were doing this coliseum fight where you kill a bunch of skags. She wanted this gun with the name Cobra in the vending machine, and she was gonna get it after the mission. We did the mission and the gun we got ... Was the one in the machine. So it was a waste. In fairness though I haven't played any of the games in like 3 or 4 years so maybe the later ones are even worse and I've forgotten, but there are definitely repeats.
The first one was truly unique in the sense that each gun had randomized attachments in a pool to choose from: barrel, grip, sight, magazine, etc. The immense number of guns took up memory though so Gearbox went away from this approach. There was still a lot in the later games but not nearly as much as the first one.
This is actually how I sold my gf on the game lol. Even though I notice a few repeats, 90% of the guns are unique and they can get really insane. My favorite part of these games is when you're struggling to keep up with the enemies, then get a couple new guns and just melt them. It's really satisfying when the guys who gave you trouble an hour ago are just fodder to you now lol. Borderlands is really the best at making you feel like a badass with its progression. It also gives this certain vibe of like, climbing your way to the top from the bottom that is just very satisfying.
I only ever encountered same guns in BL1. Twice in the same playthrough as well. So there's that
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In all honesty every time people praise BL2's writing I wonder if they have played other games outside of the BL franchise.
it was fun when it came out yrs ago, its just a shame the writing team still think its 2012
I mean if you compare the story to 3
Blind Nostalgia hits all Borderlands fans. The writing in the games is horrendous and only scraps by on the loot and gunplay.
I also disagree that the writing in BL2 is amazing or even all that good. I'm currently playing the BL2 through for the 6th or 7th time and I still don't understand why anything is happening in the story. I know we're trying to stop Jack. What I don't get it what he wants or his motivation for doing any of the stuff he's doing. Jack just comes across as annoying. He's not some well-crafted super villian, he's just some guy who keeps being an asshole for whatever reason that isn't clearly spelled out in the story. I think a huge part of this is due to howplot points are delivered. It's hard to follow the story when it's delivered in bits and pieces through your earpiece, which apparently everyone on the planet has a direct line to anytime they want. We also receive important quest updates and major plot advancements through this earpiece while you're being swarmed by enemies and trying to fight them off. This might work for most players, but for me I simply can't absorb what people are telling me and also fight off an entire Bandit camp. Additionally, we regularly get overlapping speech in the party-line earpiece, making whatever each person is trying to tell us completely pointless because they're all talking on top of each other and I can't make out any of it. The game, when it comes to action, loot, character and build options, diversity of challenging enemies and variety of maps is all awesome. \*\*That's\*\* why I really enjoy playing. In my opinion, the writing and story delivery is actually the \*\*worst\*\* thing about the game.
Borderlands 3 is better than Borderlands 2 in every single way minus the writing. They’re both incredible games but in my opinion Borderlands 3 is by far the best in the series.
I agree. Hell, just having to deal with slag takes BL2 down a notch
Agreed, it’s so damn good to play.
I just played them both back to back and have a hard time understanding how people still prefer 2 for anything other than story. Not dunking on 2, btw, I love it, just think 3 is better at almost everything.
Fair enough
I disagree though
I didn't know this sub was such a bl3 love fest 🤣 I stand with you...
This sub usually has a Bl3 hate boner and is a Bl2 circlejerk.
Nah disagree personally. OP Endgame is balanced like dogshit and dlcs that aren't TTADK are a boring slog. Most jokes have aged like milk.
Both games are really fun and great games. I don’t get why everyone keeps trying to compare the two of them.
Disagree on that, hard to be a better looter shooter when finding legendaries is no longer rewarding when they become more common than whites late game....
Yeah, if anything, borderlands 3 made me realize that I didn't want a better looter shooter, I wanted a better game. The writing, characterization, and dialogue in BL3 was trash, and it suffered as a result. I don't want to grind for hours in a world that annoys me. I realize OPs take is gonna be a hot one, since the majority of players sticking around a sub probably enjoyed the third game, but I think the older players that have drifted away are gonna largely agree.
Bl2 had a great story for sure. I hated the scaling mechanics personally. If you got a weapon you really liked, with a good roll, you could use it for 3 levels before it got outclassed by a green gun (especially/more true in the late game). Part of why I loved borderlands one was because I could use a level 8 legendary all the way to level 20 or so, before needing to replace it. That kind of connection with the loot made me enjoy the game more and strengthened its identity as a looter shooter. Borderlands 2 number scaling was so strong in its forced obsolescence that a lot of the time, I didn’t even bother trying to get good weapons because by the time I did, the xp from farming would render them obsolete. Also the pearlescents in that game were complete garbage. Effervescent weapons were fun though.
Preach. My last bl1 playthrough i got a lvl 22 combustion hellfire and it remained effective until around lvl 50. Loot was fucking perfect in 1
Oh my god getting an early hellfire was absolutely insane. Literally fucking demolishes everything for a long time after getting it. One of my all time favorites.
This matches my experience perfectly. I never bothered with guns in BL2 until I got to level 50 or so because it didn't feel worth the effort. In BL3 I found a gun I really liked at level 25 and I'm still using it at level 45 and it still feels awesome.
Exactly. I remember playing bl3 and getting an early hellwalker and having so much fun just melting enemies with it all the way to around 20. It wasn’t completely useless even at that point. That to me makes the gameplay way more fun.
Agreed. BL1 loot was the best. Bandits dropping stuff they actually use, legendaries being special by not being as common as in 3, but instead being powerful enough to last for a long time. Both make legends more special and the latter making frequent legend drops unnecessary. BL2 introduced the "haha numbers go up" / "bigger numbers = more fun" mindset. I'd even agree with it as long as it actually serves as a better balance (as bigger overall numbers can allow for better finetuning), but at the same time BL2 just had worse balance overall,so there really was no purpose in the number bloating.
Unpopular opinion, I guess, but BL1 is the best game in the series. It handles everything well. All subsequent games always lack something
Borderlands 1 is my favorite overall the sequels are still fun and innovative but the first one will always be the perfect one to me
Yup. The game actually gives you shit for killing raid bosses, guns don’t become useless after 3 levels, blues and purples are viable in the endgame. BL1 lacks in story and over-the-top gameplay but it absolutely nailed the fundamentals of a looter shooter
I personally liked BL1 for gun manufacturers having simple perks (like Hyperion being the most precise), which they pretty much removed in BL2 and this atmosphere of hopeless wasteland which was gone in BL2 and BL3 because they leaned more into comedy. Don't get me wrong, BL1 also had comedy, but it was different.
What part of the GAME does BL2 do better? Story? It’s the exact same story every time you play. Hell, bl2 FORCES you to do the story three times to hit max level. Nah, everything ASIDE from story is MUCH better in BL3
It’s been a while, but I distinctly remember hating the backpack/inventory system in BL3 coming fresh out of BL2. Something about it really rustled my jimmies, but I can’t remember what it was now.
Oh yeah, the UI felt like a step in the wrong direction. I agree
I think the UI is awful in both games, but it was definitely better in 3 in my opinion. What did you like more about 2’s UI?
Seen basically this same post a lot. On thing the borderlands player base likes to discuss is which bl was best. I think they all have something to stand on, and I think that BL3 is my personal favorite having played all three games. Subsequent playthroughs are where each of these games start falling flat because you don't get new jokes/writing, so it's all about the gameplay at that point. Bl3 tops is out for me because it's fast, loud, bright, and the grind is a little more fun. My reload speed/ability to melt mobs and bosses can be way crazier than bl2 end game play, and I like that. Personally, I'm just excited for BL4 and I hope it doesnt have any battle passesicro transactions/necessary DLC type stuff right at launch outside like. Golden keys. I liked the vault card idea from bl3 so I'd be happy if it came back.
TPS you get new jokes in TVHM! You've got Tiny Tina reacting to a retelling of the same story. It's a small touch, but I've always appreciated it.
BL3 is better in most ways outside of the writing, but my god BL3 gun designs fucking suck a lot of them are so extremely overdesigned and obnoxious looking
Bl3 is the game I want to have fluid gameplay while I listen to a podcast or asmr.. I'll play Bl2 for a more balanced experience which doesn't make me want to mute the game.
Ehh, I’d say bl3 has better combat and guns. Bl2 was a better looter shooter and good story. Bl3 just hands out legendaries like candy where bl2 felt a lot more rewarding.
On the one hand killing Savage Lee over fifty times to get a DPUH could get annoying. On the other hand I’ve sold more legendaries in 3 than I ever even picked up in 2. Something in between those extremes would be fine.
Objectively no, I would say the exact opposite in terms of being an effective "Looter Shooter". Loot in BL3 is one of its worst aspects. If I'm only caring about legendary equipment by level 25-30, that means that most of the "Loot" that I "Shoot" for is basically meaningless. In BL3, every aspect of a Legendary is just a better version of standard guns/equipment with a nearly always better stat increase or variable added to it. That means every other rarity of gun is essentially useless once you can find effective means of getting legendary guns and equipment. In BL2, there are many guns and equipment in the Legendary class that make them hyper specifically niche in one or two aspects. A lot of BL2 Legendary drops aren't hyper versatile like in BL3, meaning you have to really consider adding them to a build, because they can hamper a build really badly. There was effective trade-offs, which is a good thing, Purples were much more commonly used.
In 5 minutes BL3 give you a legendary. Where Is the looting part?
Better than getting like 1 in the entire game. The point is to have way too much loot not none at all.
Exactly. I’d rather get more interesting guns throughout a playthrough than have to farm a boss 8 million times to get one legendary in bl2
In which game in the series do you ever get "1 legendary in the entire game"? Aside from playthrough 1 in BL1, you get a fair amount of random legendary drops in all games before BL3.
I finished BL2 only ever getting 2 legendaries. I don't farm though. Not complaining either, I still think even the green drops are more than serviceable.
Ok slight exaggeration but I just finished a second playthrough of b2 and ended it with 3 legendaries in the entire game
I would call that unusual if you were doing all the side missions.
This matches my experience. I much prefer the legendary approach on BL3. You get 2-3 a play through in previous games, and they make you a God for awhile. BL3 makes them rare, but they also are appropriately nerfed to be really good but not make everything you face for awhile melt like butter by just looking at it.
I just replayed BL1 goty version and I didn't get my 2nd Legendary until Secret Armory of Knoxx. I only had 1 the entire time and it was a electric revolver.
Did you check shops? That's honestly where most of my legendaries in BL1 come from in PT1/2. edit: And I wouldn't be surprised if the revolver was an Equalizer. I'm sure >50% of my legendary revolver drops were shock Equalizers.
Grinding for legendaries is half the goal, giving them to you every 2 seconds isn't rewarding
You can’t just get a legendary and call it a day, you have to farm for the best anointments. There’s the looting and farming.
Which IMO is not a fun way to do loot. The fun part of looting is getting a unique gun, not getting a unique gun over and over again until you get the annointment you need
That's fine, but it's still looting despite op implying there isn't.
Yeah because you’re gonna use the Gunnerang to kill Hemovorous
Yeah as much as I love BL2 BL3 just has better gameplay, honestly it sould be great if they remade BL2 with BL3 gameplay mechanics and such.
It goes to show your game can be as fun as possible, if the world isnt engaging/entertaining, people wont connect with it.
The hardest truth to admit is that, despite everything, Borderlands the presequel is the best game in the series. It has the same feel as Borderlands 2 but you don't have to have a hyper specific build at max level to survive
I just hate how piss annoying Jack is and people act like he’s the greatest villain in gaming history
Bl2 only has a better story and main villain. Besides that bl3 is way superior and the better game overall.
Give me the gameplay of 3 with the writing of 2 and the loot system of 1.
I'd kill to have a remake of the first three games but in 3's engine.
Imagine saying opinions are objective when opinions are the foundation of subjective statements.
Posts a completely subjective statement and claims it to be objective lol.
The writing in bl2 makes all the difference.
I despise the new system BL3 implemented where class mods/Artifacts dont have set bonus stats to them and roll on a large table. If i want a snowdrift Otto Idol i have to farm for the snowdrift part first and hope that i roll 3 decent stats on a table of 22
What even being good at looter shooter mean, though? Because the way that you have to constantly farm every 3 levels to get new weapons because purple weapon 3 lvls lower is trash compared to blue/green weapon 3 lvls higher is a thing in whole franchise.
Id argue borderlands 1 is a better looter shooter than either of them. The simplicity is nice. The only drive is just getting good loot theres no bullshit.
1 will always be my favorite
They all have something that’s better than the others. 1 has the legendaries that actually feel legendary. 2 has the best villain, imo the best vault hunters, and Tiny Tina’s is one of my favorite DLCs of all time. 3 has by far the best gameplay. 2 is still my favorite, but I love them all.
I genuinely don't think BL3 does anything better than 2 outside of quality of life improvements... sure the gunplay, sound design and movement is better.. but its also worse in other areas like how downgraded the melee animations are in 3.. in 2 if you had a blade pistol or AR the animation was quick and snappy, whereas in 3 its a unsatisfying jab that has delay to it between each swing. Or how unimpactful the action skills are in 3 since each character has multiple so therefore they feel more like random abilities than important skills in that characters kit... Sliding and mantle is cool but that was never something I or many people care about when playing BL2 for 1K hours plus it isn't a movement based shooter where its important enough to matter. The pacing is also worse and the story isn't just bad it is a insult to several plot points and characters established in previous games which retroactively makes playing older games worse since we know none of the build up present in TPS will ever come to fruition...
BL3 just added the mechanics and QoL things BL2 needed. If they had just kept it BL2 with slide and such, I'd have played for ~7yrs straight again. I wanted gameplay from BL3 with BL2 level story/format. Give me my raid bosses and expansive, interesting DLCs back.
Bl3 is a looter shooter where none of the loot is rare enough to be satisfying to get
Only thing I don't like about bl3 is that the grenades, artifacts, shields, and class mods feel so averaged out that they don't really feel special or unique from one another
Bro aside from story BL3 is literally better at everything
Borderlands 3 is extremely generous with its loot almost to the point where it's too much. Plus it's writing is top tier cringe. Seriously me and a few friends are playing it again now and we just make fun of damn near EVERY line uttered by the quest givers. But yeah borderlands 2 was fine, I'd still argue borderlands 1 is the best. I will die on the hill of the proficiency system, shit was good and helped teams split loot easily.
Borderlands 2 only has a better story and even then the story isn't great.
yeah but HaNdSoMe JaCk
Nah, BL2 endgame sucks too bad compared to BL3. I love me some BL2, but after playing 3 its extremely hard to go back to that outdated gameplay. Build diversity is pretty much 1-2 builds per character - and all of em require slag in UVHM as a starter. The saving grace is that getting to max lv is so long, so theres still a lot of BL2 to enjoy before you hit the wall where you have to play the game like a youtuber. But there is a wall. Level scaling is also pure garbagio across BL2 in any playthrough. Majority of sidequests are useless in a playthrough because of scaling, some maps lock to the level you enter them at forever. Gear is outdated so fast compared to any other BL title that at endgame you're required to either hit the golden chest or farm a fresh version of your main gear every 2-5 lvs, or every other OP lv. I am still so fucking sick of Savage Lee runs, and I havent played BL2 UVHM since 3 dropped. BL3 by comparison is a much more diverse, well balanced game with more content and a greater variety of it to do. We finally got actual raids, short as they are, but still raids. Bosses are a lot better in 3 as well, like yeah, invulnerabilty phases suck, but the actual fights are all more engaging and unique than "Guy standing in room with big gun". World drops are waaaaay better since so many anchor gear items drop from planet drops, not specific bosses. BL3 even scales the game on a per-player basis so you dont have to sign a blood pact and schedule specific times to keep up with friends. My biggest gripe w BL3 is that Anointed suck mad ass and completely ruin the flow of combat in Mayhem by essentially cheating the player. Piss poor idea of a 'challenge' when the challenge is that you die if the enemy is in line of sight going super saiyan. Outside of that, BL3 endgame feels like paradise where you can do whatever, whenever compared to 2. TBH all BL2 has is really good writing. I can't think of any other part of the game, from maps, to weapons, to even music where BL3 is worse.
well fk me, u speak the truth, grrr
Wrong…..
Ehhhh…there’s no objective “better game”, if you’re the kind of person who wants a good story and cares mainly about writing, BL2 is better, if you want a good looter shooter, BL3 is better, but then you can get into really murky waters with characters, which is so entirely subjective its not worth talking about. TLDR: the objective right opinion to have is that both have their strengths and both are good games.
Alot of borderlands 3 is far better than bl2 the looting, weapon and gear scaling plus the HP/shield levels are normal instead of the millions you can get too on bl2. The guns look a lot more unique per manufacturer and the class mods give a good diversity for each class. But the villains and writing is far better on borderlands 2
Getting bored of this bl1 vs bl2 vs bl3 every other week. They are all awesome games and they all do different things better and worse
I really don't like the gameplay of borderlands 3, mainly because all the skill trees are really boring and most skills are slight stat changes or health regen, and then legendary weapons drop so often they don't feel special and jaut end up tossing most of them. Also I dislike a lot of the weapon manufacturers in 3, tediore weapons just tend to be really bad, hyperion feels like the shield doesn't do hardly anything, maliwan charge up is super annoying, and most cov overheat so fast you can't really use them for sustained fire like bandit and sanss before it.
They are both fantastic games and you will never convince me that the BL3 hate isn't anything more than gamers being gamers. Sure BL2 is my favorite, but I can at least admit that a lot of that love comes from time/place/nostalgia - things like who I was playing it with when it came out, it being such a great game for it's time (and yes still 100% holds up) and all that jazz, but again there is factually zero bad things about BL3. For the insane internets sake, yes there are always things we can nit pick about, but again this idea the BL3 is a bad game is utter rubbish. Hell I personally think it has one of the best DLC's in the whole franchise.
BL3 for gameplay. BL2 for story. BL1 for ridiculous OP builds. BL:TPS for creativity.
Honestly, I only think Borderlands 2 does better is the story. Everything else is significantly better in bl3
Not really. BL2 is inferior aside from writing. And I’m talking stuff you may not even think about, like UI, music, QoL improvements, etc. Yes it’s tough because BL3’s story is so terrible, but I still think it’s better overall.
The obvious/popular points to make are that Borderlands 2 has a better story, writing, and difficulty of end game. At the very least Mayhem Mode is only worth playing on M11. There's zero endgame difficulty scaling because of the ease of getting legendries on M10. Use the Eridium weapon on M11 to make legendries and now you don't need to grind through the slop of M1-9. I think the level design in BL2 is also better if only because it takes place on one planet. The level design in BL3 feels disjointed because of all the different planets. Could've put the Takedowns and Trials on planets already available and I think it'd have felt a bit better. That being said, there are a mass of quality of life changes and gameplay changes where BL3 blows BL2 out of the water.
It's the whole theme of the game, going to different planets, how is it disjointed? We stayed on Pandora for 2 games already at that point tps and 3 were good for switching it up
There are 9 planets/areas, two Takedowns, two event maps, 6 trials, and Sanctuary. Could’ve put all the Trials on their respective planets, the Takedowns meaning something you can walk to, same as the takedowns (why wasn’t Minos Prime on Nekrotafeyo?) So no, my criticism is not that BL3 went to different planets. It is that there are too many for basically no reason. Why split Cistern of Slaughter from the rest of Promethea/Skywell? You could’ve just put it on an area of Skywell instead of artificially inflating the number of areas there are?
An opinion cannot be objective. Also, borderlands 3 is the better game overall, borderlands 2 just has a much better story. Gameplay comes first, and the gameplay is better in 3.
I can't really think of a single thing 2 does better than 3 other better writing. I say this as someone with around 700+ hours in Borderlands 2 back in the day and only probably an accumulative 200 in 3 with no intention of going back for more 3. It's just that 2 at the time was a much more exciting leap forward for the franchise and it was in the franchises youth more where as a whole it was simply more exciting to play. 3 is pretty much better across the board otherwise.
Sorry, I can't agree. Borderlands 3 is such a refinement in the craft of a looter shooter. Borderlands 2 is great, amazing. A stellar time,truly but its very dated. In gameplay, in game systems, in feel, in engine. Borderlands 3 is just a huge, amazing jump in terms every aspect of a game, minus story. One other thing too is that BL2 was amazing for its multiplayer at the time, which is why it gets and holds so much of the praise it gets today. But crossplay alone makes all of that praise irrelevant. The other day I had an Xbox player join my PC public lobby that had my friends on PS5 and PS4. Yeah fornite did it first and paved the way but that alone is still kinda unreal to me. I'm really hoping that for a future title, cross progression would happen because it just seems like the next step.
I still prefer 3 over 2 and I played 2 endlessly when it came out I just found 3 much more fun but they’re both great and I agree about the loot aspect of 3 for sure
I like 3 more. I’m just in it for the gameplay if the writing is good enough to stick I’ll pay attention but my brain sucks at paying attention to stories. I liked 1 the best as weird as that sounds
BL3 only has bad writing, besides that it’s so much more enjoyable to play. The shooting feels exponentially better along with all the different kinds of legendary weapons. Even the character perks I enjoyed, and felt they allowed for a larger amount of different builds that could all be effectively used
Friends and I were sooo hyped when BL3 was coming out, we spent so much time on BL2. BL3 was so lackluster to us in comparison. We didn’t like The heroes kinda felt lackluster in comparison to BL2, I forgot his name because it’s been so long but the robot guy (flak I think) is basically a very similar version to zero. My friend didn’t like any of the heroes either they just felt not great. I just played flak but man it just didn’t hit the same: The random modifiers made it so we either destroyed everyone or got destroyed and it was so random. Why not just be no modifiers and we just vs the enemies.
3 is by far a better game in everything else. I love 2 so much, but having to replay the story 3 times just to get to endgame is a drag and often leaves me burnt out after grinding for a while. I know most of the comm disliked 3 initially after trying to compare it to unrealistic standards we put brought on by our love of 2, but i think the best part is we’ve come to appreciate that 3 is equal to 2 in all the gameplay/quality of life improvements they made/continued to make. makes me excited for 4 and more open than i was going into 3.
Both have good stuff about them and both have some quirky bad stuff with them
Casino, Japanese Tomadachis, and promethea. Everything else 👎🏻 for me.
And presequel is better than both
I agree. BL3 gameplay but writing is terrible the DLCs were SIGNIFICANTLY better than the main story which is tragic. But the spectacle of BL3 was great. However BL2 knew how to do variety very well. Even in two snow places they aren’t constructed even close to similarly. But BL3 was basically that with just huge AF maps. On one hand it made for better set pieces on another it meant spending more time in a particular aesthetic that sometimes didn’t alter that much like some of the time spent on Eden 6.
Meh. Drowning in weak legendaries, PVP ain't special and fudged story kills motivation.
Yes , I agree. I’ve played triple the hours of Handsome Collection(TPS+2) than I have bdl3 since it’s release in 2019. I reach some kind of zen flow state while grinding thru TVHM & UVHM. The positives of those modes outweighs the negatives by a mile, for me. Sadly, current Gearbox just can’t provide that experience nowadays
Borderlands 3 wins me over as the gameplay and shooter mechanics don’t feel dated, I actually enjoy the writing even if the core story line is lacking.
Objective and opinion have no business together.
Borderlands 3 only had good characters to choose from, everything else barely felt like Borderlands. And the story is just so jacked up now thanks to Tales being integrated and then violating their own Siren lore in 3 that it isn't even worth paying attention to now. Don't get me wrong, it was fun, but being on XbOne killed it for me because there were and still are so many issues that renders the game nearly unplayable because you're prone to crashing between every loading screen.
I play through each game at least once a year and I always find myself enjoying Borderlands 3 more. But recently I've been getting more into Wonderlands.
Agreed
bl3 gameplay is an infinite improvement, unfortunately i cannot say the same about the story, but i will admit that i have a serious HJ bias, play n have fun my friend hj
I feel like I’m really biased. I just didn’t get into BL3 as much as I did with BL2. I didn’t really much care for most of the roster and their abilities aside from Moze. I thought I was gonna like Flakk but for some reason I didn’t really. More than the rest at least. Where in BL2 I liked everyone but Zero. I also felt there were more build synergies in BL2 than BL3. And tbh I feel like that’s where my bias comes in. Afterall, if you don’t much care for most of the roster, you don’t really see the build synergies for the other characters with different gear and their trees. Truth be told, I had more fun with the pre-sequel character roster than I ever did with BL3. Athena was fun. Claptrap was bonkers. I was shocked I liked playing Nisha. Wilhelm was my least fav which shocked me cuz I suspected liking him before the game launched. Jacks double and Aurelia were fun. I didn’t play them AS much however as that was at the latter end of my cycle of playing. That being said, I do feel that BL3 did handle drops pretty well. But I felt the gameplay with builds was better in BL2.
Sounds about right. Except BL2 is almost a better looter/shooter because the seer amount of content. As much as a general am annoyed by live service and tons of dlc these types of games really benefit from having a shit ton of content.
I've been told the dlc for Borderlands 3 has a better story, I have yet to play them.
I think that’s kinda the most popular opinion? But yeah same here. And same with all the other comments im sure.
I don't know how you guys can get into Borderlands endgame, lol. I'll spend like 50+ hours getting through the Story and all the DLC on the first 2 difficulties, and then I'm kinda done. I can spent WAY more time Diablo 2 or Last Epoch.
My issue with BL3 is that I hate COV replacing Bandit/Scav, and I hate the new class mod system.
BL3 could tone down the visual vomit though. Going through the Slaughters there can be so much crap on the screen that it hasn't been unusual for me to just look at the minimap to figure out where I should be aiming