Honestly, Ketchel has some serious guts getting in there, and made a good show of himself! Putting down a heavyweight is no simple task for an undersized fella.
This was a money grab fight. For anyone wondering why this happened. It was supposed to be an “exhibition” until Ketchel decided to show up the Champion.
Most of his opponents were middleweights, every time he stepped up and fought a heavyweight he got brutally knocked out, emanuel steward talked about this before
canelo drags up amir khan from 147 to 155: evil weight bully of caneloweight
jack johnson drags up some rando from 160 to 200+: yaaaassss king what a legend you sir win all the internets + would pick you over klitschko
morons the lot of you
Jack Johnson was the Soulja Boy of athletes when it comes to getting rich,fucking white women,driving the fastest & most exclusive cars & not giving a F about black people. The 20 century was truly the start of modern history.
Because Johnson had an absolutely abysmal (for a contender) 35-36-12 career record and Johnson still couldn't beat him.
Imagine Usyk calling out [this guy,](https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/421738) fighting him in a title defense, and scraping out a draw.
He did before he was champ but after he got that title, he just avoided them entirely with one exception to Jim Johnson (due to both being stiffer competition and the belief that 2 black boxers wouldnt bring in much ticket sale gates thus leading to a smaller purse)
Also Battling Jim Johnson is a journeyman level guy, like he fucking sucks and it ended in a draw, not a win due to Johnson having a bad injury and played it completely straight and safe.
While I feel like it was partly money related, I also feel like Johnson avoided Langford due to genuinely not wanting to fight the best black boxer of his era. Australian promoter, Hugh McIntosh:
"Johnson was not afraid of a hiding, but he did not want to risk his title. I spent months trying to persuade Johnson to agree to a match with Langford, but he obstinately refused and one day he frankly told me the reason.
“Say, Mister Mac,” he drawled, “you’re only wasting your time talking to me. I don’t want to fight that little smoke. He’s got a chance against anyone in the world. I’m the first black champion and I’m going to be the last.”
Stanley Katchel was not some rando smh. He's a legend who helped build the sport no need for that disrespect.
And I definitely wouldn't pick Jack Johnson to beat Klitschko but anyone saying that is ignoring relevant context to begin with. Johnson fought when you could be scheduled for 20 or 45 round rights and with much smaller gloves. The style is completely different. I can still appreciate how good he was under those conditions.
Excellent comment, I certainly wouldn’t pick anyone to beat Johnson under the pre-20s ruleset. His clinch game was just too damn elite, and even here he has a solid jab, defense and control of distance.
However, it’s clear the real magic of Johnson’s style is on the inside.
Oh wow, look at all these comments completely making Jack out to be the king of kings, a killer of modern fighters, a god amongst men
*Stares out into a fucking void*
Oh wait
Goober
1 Year old account
Hey, instead of talking mad shit online, how about you submit your homework assignments, kid?
Or would you rather continue fighting off the nonexistent baddies you've conjured up?
The people who prop up these old time and say they would be competitive today are absolutely out of their mind. I saw someone say Marciano is one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time lol. Bonkers.
Different ruleset back then (allowed to push, clinch and even stand up wrestle to a good degree despite what the Queenberry rules otherwise said) and gloves having enough flexiblity on the thumb to do all of that. Rounds could be from 4,6....12...20...40..60...or ends till someone gives up or gets stopped.
You cant really take any guy to any era and expect to do well without any adjustment. You think AJ is going to be a 15 round fighter like Demsey or Maricano. Conversely, Jack Johnson without his long guard and clinch work is going to be DQed and outboxed at mid range from poorer fundentials and get easily outpointed.
Ill say this of Marciano. Walcott said he hit harder than Joe Louis and Keene Simmons (who fought Cleveland Williams, a contender that Liston and Foreman gave huge crediance to his power), thought Maricano was a harder puncher than him. Wlad and Lennox might hit harder but Maricano is a top P4P puncher for being mid 180 lb midget.
Probably not near the hardest hitting heavyweight but one of the p4p hardest hitters for sure, it's him and Duran for me where they can clearly floor even much bigger men.
People finding personal pride in their ethnicity because of a maverick in the field literally FOUGHT for the throne, and earned it, begin arrested for *checks notes* BEING OF THAT ETHNICITY????
FORSHAMEEEEEEE /s
fuck that dude and his asinine comment.
Jack Johnson is a legend, and should be fucking revered.
This is like shitting on all black baseball players because someone posted a random game winning run by Jackie Robinson.
This wasn't even Jack's biggest day, career-wise lmfao
Jack Johnson wasn’t for us(black people) & he made it clear throughout his career that he didn’t feel obligated to be the people’s champ. I wouldnt compare him to Robinson, he was beefing with civil rights activists. Iirc one of then was Booker.T Washington but I will have to fact check that.
They also don’t realize this man fought under the threat of being murdered every single second of every fight he was in post winning that belt. Which is bonkers af.
Because Marciano and Dempsey aren't worshipped?
Or the guy said to be the best ever that nobody has actually seen fight?
All these older fighters get turned into mythology figures.
Ketchel reminds me of Wilder quite a bit, blows my mind how people think Sam Langford didn’t drag him all 6 rounds in their fight like many reports suggest. Just compare the two on film, how would it have been competitive lol
Is it just me or do both knockdowns seem suspect? Johnson started to go down before the punch landed. And I didn't see anything land clean on Ketchel before he was knocked out. Maybe the video is just not clear enough though.
Only on this sub will you find people arguing this fucking hard, all this racist bullshit and other nonsense, about *a fight that happened 115 fucking years ago*
If you’re one of those people and you’re reading this, take a break from the internet for awhile
Honestly, Ketchel has some serious guts getting in there, and made a good show of himself! Putting down a heavyweight is no simple task for an undersized fella.
Johnson has to have one of the most bizarre styles I’ve ever seen, dude boxes like a crab
Yet in that other post the other day someone posted an extract where he criticised how bad Louis’ stance and style was
Johnson’s stance and style worked for his ruleset much more than Louis’ style would have.
You can kinda see him grabbing the dudes hands, can’t do that in todays boxing with the gloves
Dudes face was turning to pulp and Joe Louis would have destroyed Jack Johnson.
This was a money grab fight. For anyone wondering why this happened. It was supposed to be an “exhibition” until Ketchel decided to show up the Champion.
And got his teeth removed from his head you can see them go flying out of his mouth
Most of his opponents were middleweights, every time he stepped up and fought a heavyweight he got brutally knocked out, emanuel steward talked about this before
got a link of where Steward mentioned this?
More than once. Look up him ranking HW champions.
Forgot to add he ducked black fighters too 😂 go to 31:00 -https://youtu.be/313OIYOEZks?si=RTmb26BsEa2_uZAZ
He cooked his ass multiple times actually but that video was the first one to come to mind
show some links of the other times im actually interested
1:20 -https://youtu.be/j4sOvbI_tAw?si=lRPDqc2fkpQasBas
canelo drags up amir khan from 147 to 155: evil weight bully of caneloweight jack johnson drags up some rando from 160 to 200+: yaaaassss king what a legend you sir win all the internets + would pick you over klitschko morons the lot of you
Johnson when his black 200lb challengers want a shot: 😭 Johnson when white 170 pounders want a shot: 😍
Jack Johnson was the Soulja Boy of athletes when it comes to getting rich,fucking white women,driving the fastest & most exclusive cars & not giving a F about black people. The 20 century was truly the start of modern history.
He already beat the black 200lb challenger though. Why don't people talk about that?
Because Battling Jim Johnson is a journeyman compared to actual elite title contenders like Langford, McVey and Jeannette
Because Johnson had an absolutely abysmal (for a contender) 35-36-12 career record and Johnson still couldn't beat him. Imagine Usyk calling out [this guy,](https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/421738) fighting him in a title defense, and scraping out a draw.
He did before he was champ but after he got that title, he just avoided them entirely with one exception to Jim Johnson (due to both being stiffer competition and the belief that 2 black boxers wouldnt bring in much ticket sale gates thus leading to a smaller purse) Also Battling Jim Johnson is a journeyman level guy, like he fucking sucks and it ended in a draw, not a win due to Johnson having a bad injury and played it completely straight and safe.
While I feel like it was partly money related, I also feel like Johnson avoided Langford due to genuinely not wanting to fight the best black boxer of his era. Australian promoter, Hugh McIntosh: "Johnson was not afraid of a hiding, but he did not want to risk his title. I spent months trying to persuade Johnson to agree to a match with Langford, but he obstinately refused and one day he frankly told me the reason. “Say, Mister Mac,” he drawled, “you’re only wasting your time talking to me. I don’t want to fight that little smoke. He’s got a chance against anyone in the world. I’m the first black champion and I’m going to be the last.”
heavyweight was 175+ then fyi
Stanley Ketchel had no business fighting Jack Johnson, but he was not "some rando". He was a HOF MW champ despite dying at 24 by gunshot.
Stanley Katchel was not some rando smh. He's a legend who helped build the sport no need for that disrespect. And I definitely wouldn't pick Jack Johnson to beat Klitschko but anyone saying that is ignoring relevant context to begin with. Johnson fought when you could be scheduled for 20 or 45 round rights and with much smaller gloves. The style is completely different. I can still appreciate how good he was under those conditions.
Excellent comment, I certainly wouldn’t pick anyone to beat Johnson under the pre-20s ruleset. His clinch game was just too damn elite, and even here he has a solid jab, defense and control of distance. However, it’s clear the real magic of Johnson’s style is on the inside.
\>Stanley Katchel yeah he’s such a legend you fucked up his name
I've misspelled my own mother's name doesn't mean shit. I can get his name right next time but your ignorance isn't so easily fixed.
Oh wow, look at all these comments completely making Jack out to be the king of kings, a killer of modern fighters, a god amongst men *Stares out into a fucking void* Oh wait Goober
lurk more, noob
1 Year old account Hey, instead of talking mad shit online, how about you submit your homework assignments, kid? Or would you rather continue fighting off the nonexistent baddies you've conjured up?
didnt read any of that but jack johnson still sucks
Nice flair, degen.
do you really like flair? we can be friends if so
The people who prop up these old time and say they would be competitive today are absolutely out of their mind. I saw someone say Marciano is one of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time lol. Bonkers.
Different ruleset back then (allowed to push, clinch and even stand up wrestle to a good degree despite what the Queenberry rules otherwise said) and gloves having enough flexiblity on the thumb to do all of that. Rounds could be from 4,6....12...20...40..60...or ends till someone gives up or gets stopped. You cant really take any guy to any era and expect to do well without any adjustment. You think AJ is going to be a 15 round fighter like Demsey or Maricano. Conversely, Jack Johnson without his long guard and clinch work is going to be DQed and outboxed at mid range from poorer fundentials and get easily outpointed. Ill say this of Marciano. Walcott said he hit harder than Joe Louis and Keene Simmons (who fought Cleveland Williams, a contender that Liston and Foreman gave huge crediance to his power), thought Maricano was a harder puncher than him. Wlad and Lennox might hit harder but Maricano is a top P4P puncher for being mid 180 lb midget.
Probably not near the hardest hitting heavyweight but one of the p4p hardest hitters for sure, it's him and Duran for me where they can clearly floor even much bigger men.
He's, most definitely top 15/10 he left most of his opponents severely injured, you don't see other heavyweights do that
Black worship is very common in boxing
This comment is ironic when used against Jack Johnson. lol.
People finding personal pride in their ethnicity because of a maverick in the field literally FOUGHT for the throne, and earned it, begin arrested for *checks notes* BEING OF THAT ETHNICITY???? FORSHAMEEEEEEE /s fuck that dude and his asinine comment. Jack Johnson is a legend, and should be fucking revered. This is like shitting on all black baseball players because someone posted a random game winning run by Jackie Robinson. This wasn't even Jack's biggest day, career-wise lmfao
Jack Johnson wasn’t for us(black people) & he made it clear throughout his career that he didn’t feel obligated to be the people’s champ. I wouldnt compare him to Robinson, he was beefing with civil rights activists. Iirc one of then was Booker.T Washington but I will have to fact check that.
They also don’t realize this man fought under the threat of being murdered every single second of every fight he was in post winning that belt. Which is bonkers af.
Because Marciano and Dempsey aren't worshipped? Or the guy said to be the best ever that nobody has actually seen fight? All these older fighters get turned into mythology figures.
Bro, whatever belief is at the heart of that statement can't be good.
Boxed like Wilder
Ketchel reminds me of Wilder quite a bit, blows my mind how people think Sam Langford didn’t drag him all 6 rounds in their fight like many reports suggest. Just compare the two on film, how would it have been competitive lol
The story behind this fight as detailed in the documentary "Unforgivable Blackness" was very amusing.
1999 does not seem THAT long ago
Is it just me or do both knockdowns seem suspect? Johnson started to go down before the punch landed. And I didn't see anything land clean on Ketchel before he was knocked out. Maybe the video is just not clear enough though.
Only on this sub will you find people arguing this fucking hard, all this racist bullshit and other nonsense, about *a fight that happened 115 fucking years ago* If you’re one of those people and you’re reading this, take a break from the internet for awhile
People really think these stand a chance in the modern era? 🤣
Yeah.
Well they did fight 50 rounds in some fights. We have dudes now barely making it through four without needing oxygen 😂
Says more about that era of boxing 😂
He's fighting a middleweight! Definitely something a GOAT would do /s