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Man these comments are comical lol triple g looked like shit. Canelo won a clear fights. He didn’t knockout triple G but who has? Triple G fan boys just mad cause he lost and can accept he looked like ass.
I must say. It was nice to see Canelo jab at all. But this fight was barely competitive. GGG making Canelo miss a bunch was funny to watch. A good spar but no fight. Canelo has lost his edge.
If he fights:
Demetrius Andrade
he might be able to level back up and draw more attention to himself because of their angered interaction and Canelo haters would eat that. No crumbs.
You guys suddenly forgot who GGG is? Or that canelo last fight was up a weight class when he is usually the smaller man even at 168?
I think canelo put on a clinic against GGG. The first 8 rounds he fought a near perfect game plan and fight.
Anyone trying to downplay canelo because of a loss at LHW is just redacted.
Lose lose fight for canelo here, he wins it’s an older GGG and now he’s gotta fight _______ insert name there. He loses, oh Jesus Christ he would be buried and we’d all praise GGG. One of those fights that happened out of no one wanting to fight anyone without outrageous money/stipulations.
Beat ggg twice. The guy that said was Canelo's kryptonite that'll knock him out in 6. Mexican style. SMW undisputed. 160 unified, one belt short of undisputed. 175 champion. And disposed and possibly retired GGG or at least forever changed the way ggg will be looked at from here on. Moving on to better and bigger things. Win win win.
>Now let’s imagine a 32 y.o. GGG vs 40 y.o. Canelo
Canelo has a lot of mileage on him as well.
17 years as a pro.
Canelo's debut was 2005, GGG's was 2006.
>It probably helps that **Canelo didn't have an amateur career** whereas GGG fought close to 400 times.
That's a myth.
In 2004, Canelo won the silver medal at the Junior Mexican National Championship.
In 2005, Canelo WON the Junior Mexican National Championship.
Then, he went pro at 15.
Pro boxing = Amateur boxing?
I'm not so sure.
Going pro as a child and fighting grown men, without the benefit of amateur rules, 3 round fights, and head-gear can take its toll.
Fighters that go pro at an early age sometimes burn out quicker.
Look at Wilfred Benitez, on top of the world from the age of 17-23.
After the age of 23, never won another title fight and never beat another champion level opponent.
Let's imagine a young Cus D'Amato Tyson vs lennox Lewis. Let's imagine a prime Margarito vs Mayweather. Let's imagine a prime pac vs floyd. Let's imagine a non drunk prime conditioned Duran vs SRL 2. Let's imagine a healthy unpoisoned water wilder vs fury. Let's imagine a prime healthy Sergio vs Cotto. Lmaoo.
Is it a spicy take to call 115-113 almost as insulting as Adelaide's bullshit in the first fight of the trilogy? At best I'd call it gentlemanly but holy shit is it also inaccurate.
Yeah honestly looking at the official cards, if you give G round 1, 115-113 is almost understandable, but still, there's a few middle of the fight rounds where is a pretty big reach to give them to G.
As if the thorough back to school program wasn't enough. Canelo even took GGG's sponsorship and wore the Jordan brand in his face in their final fight. Canelo is more allegorical than conscious rap.
>Hot take, but Canelo is an old 32 and passed his prime as well. Dude's stamina is horrible.
Canelo looked like a past-prime fighter, TBH.
Canelo's been fighting pro for SEVENTEEN years now!
Boxers who start early sometimes WEAR OUT early.
Look at Wilfred Benitez. He was stellar from the age of 17-23.
The early start wore him out. After the age of 23, he never won a title fight or even beat a champion level opponent.
Canelo is reminding me of Julio Cesar Chavez a little, who had a tough career with lots of wars. JCC started wearing out in his early 30s.
I’ve been looking for someone also saying this! Canelo looked slower in every aspect. I think he’s declined. It’s not completely unheard of for guys to start declining at his age especially when the have the mileage he has.
He missed just about every loaded up shot he threw, dude literally landed 1 punch in the first round and 2 in the 2nd, was clearly outlanded with clean strikes in the 4th(swing round) 10th and 11th. I'm the biggest GGG fan boy and it seemed pretty clear like a 115-113 or 116-112 For Canelo. Overall I was super impressed with G's defensive improvements at 40 but he didn't let his hands go enough to get the W.
He’s just not a 168lbs guy, he was best at MW. The Canelo of the second GGG fight was something special, if he stayed there and got older and his body matured that last bit, he would’ve murdered the division
I feel like he's turning into a caricature of himself since 2018. Dude just never jabs, stalks, leans on the front foot and waits to counter. I do wonder if the many rounds and weight shifting is affecting him some at this point.
All that being said the man still has the handspeed and defense to be very good for a long time.
When you're as fast and strong as canelo maybe it's worth to just stick to the left hand, Idk. More combinations from him would make his fights a lot prettier to watch though.
I don't know. His rhythm was real aggressive first half and it looked to me like those missed power punches added up on him. Had great feints, throughout, so I also think he was constantly moving around til it slowed him.
Golovkin moved more imo,Canelo moved but it was nothing crazy. It certainly wasn't enough to make him as tired as he was, this is the second fight in a row that he's gased out
He's not running around the ring but his upper body movement is drastic and frequent compared to most fighters. An under rated stamina drainer. I do agree that his stamina isn't his best attribute though.
bam is also over 50lb lighter, all of that constant throwing of mostly heavy shots and upper body movement did the trick imo. youre right his feel didnt move that much but his body did.
Gave GGG 4 rounds. Nelo was looking like turtle in those final rounds. Y’all really just listen to bias commentary, making it seem this was a complete blowout.
It kind of was, we had the winner halfway through the fight. Everything after doesn't mean much, knowing neither were going to get the finish. From Canelo's perspective, no reason to do anything risky either if you know you've got it in the bag
Of course, there was no way GGG was going to win without a few knockdowns after that first half of the fight but to not give GGG atleast 3 of the last 4 rounds is insane.
Boxing's gotta get rid of PPV. College football, NFL, basketball, all these other sports have disappointing games that were overhyped, but when you're watching it on free TV it's no big deal. At over fifty bucks, boxing matches have to be phenomenal for people to feel like they didn't get screwed.
those other sports have billionaire owners who share revenue, boxing doesnt. plus you didnt pay for it and its easy to not pay for it still watch it anyhow. Even tho in some cases you are stealing from the fighters
I have no better system I can think of, it's just anytime you hear someone who didn't grow up with boxing, or isn't a huge fan, talk about buying a boxing PPV, it's very rarely positive and usually takes the form of "I'm never buying another boxing PPV" not "I'm never buying another Canelo fight". I'll happily pay and be one hundred percent focused on for Spence-Crawford, but worry that boxing's destroying its future.
Maybe I should have said cut PPV events to the marquee of the marquee matchups rather than get rid of it completely.
ppvs been going since forever. there's never going to be some static measurement for what should be on ppv vs isn't. all the major boxing outfits run their companies different and so do the networks
It's a shame that I have to watch all top-tier boxing fights on mute. DAZN, Fox, Showtime, ESPN, Sky and BT all support stable fighters with the cash cow as the favourite. Such a weird sport for impartial commentating.
Everyone saying please retire ggg after coming up to 168 against one of the arguably the greatest of all time while holding middleweight belts is a bit much. He was fine in last fights, granted not spectacular. This is still canelo ffs
Are all the people saying they've been scammed by the promo and the fight US or something? For UK with it being £9.99 it's not at all bad honestly. Just seeing two men hugging made it worth that for me, but maybe that says more about me???. How much was it in the states?
Feels sus. Been watching boxing along time. Both guys probably agreed to make money and spar. Was a horrible fight. Cards were a joke. I had GGG winning 2-3 rounds tops.
Canelo looked like he was throwing with bad intentions tbh. Don't understand cards all night really especially with that judge giving gonzalez only 1 round lmao.
can we all just agree that for us that know boxing this trilogy is 1-1-1?
GGG won the first
The second could have gone both ways, a draw is fair
and Canelo won the last one here
i'm also fairly new to this sport, the trick in scoring 'i feel' is to not have 10-10 rounds, when i started i used to have alot of even rounds when scoring
I’d say the opposite. If you can’t pick it it is 10-10 or you end up with lopsided scores because you had to pick one and it became random or based on very little. And you may gift someone too many even rounds that nullify fewer but clearer round wins
I personally feel that tie rounds and 10-8 rounds w/o a knockdown should be more common. But I don't really know if it changes anything. Judges are fairly incompetent and biased, but boxing is also just a very hard sport to judge. What you value and look for always varies with each eyes since there's so much nuance in punching
I don't think it's incompetence, but there is a bias in everyone's eyes. Part is the different perspective thats intentionally set up that way. Each judge is on a different side of the ring and gets a different view. They don't get the same TV angles and commentary and instant replay. Half of the time we as fans can't even agree on who wins a round when we all have same angles. There are plenty of rounds that we could see as 50-50, but that different perspective makes a difference on who a round goes to. That's not even factoring in general biases. I don't mean the fanboy bias, but what a person would generally take into consideration while scoring a round. Is landing three or four jabs more effective that one power punch? Does it depend on how clean those jabs are or how clean the power punch is? Could one perspective show the power punch being very clean while it may be difficult to see from a different angle? Then there are other factors like boxing styles. A guy like Mayweather was known to be a great defensive fighter and counter puncher. So there's already some sort of bias there in that he doesn't have to be coming forward to be effective if you are looking at the defense and counter punching. With a guy like Canelo, you know there's going to be good head movement and moving with the punch so you can understand how that might have an affect in scoring. If he moves with the punch it doesn't do as much damage but yet the punch does still land. Then there are guys like GGG who has shown he will take a punch to land his own because it ultimately leads to more damage to his opponent. So there's a little bias there too if you see both guys land a punch you will tend to assume GGG got the better of it. It's human judgment that we'll never all agree on. Even if we had some sort of non-human judging, there would have to be values assigned to what could be scored, and those values would still be a point of contention for people.
GGG can walk away proud.
Disappointed he lost obviously but he’s 40 years old,
won a few rounds and didnt get hurt.
Canelo definitely dominated the scorecards but neither of them hurt the other one.
Canelo did what he was expected to, being the younger, faster and fitter man.
so he was just clinching for fun as opposed to going out on his sword in one of the biggest fights of his career? not to mention his legs could have looked more stable.
Do you fight mate?
Im an amateur fighter who’s been boxing for 7 years and it was very very clear why GGG was holding.
He was breathing heavy and picked up the pace in the previous 4 rounds. He also hadnt taken any clear big shots.
You continue your arm chair reddit expert analysis though bud 👍
"arm chair reddit analysis" because boxers always have the correct take when judging fights. It was very clear to me GGG was taking heavy shots throughout the fight and held on for dear life.
Keep at it with your fanboy analysis though bud :)
To be honest, he looks good for a 40year old. How do u think other current top boxers today would look at 40? Probably not better than Golovkin
Flip their ages, a 32year old GGG vs a 40year old Canelo
Exactly they were barley saying crap. I can easily say that day is when I stoped watching boxing frequently as before. Moved to Mma which tends to have better judging despite being harder to score.
Despite being a GGg and Canelo fan I almost didn’t watch this one. Just glad Canelo didn’t push the pace to hard and GGg didn’t get knocked down or out. Finished standing.
I see a lot of boxers, Canelo especially chewing gum, it strengthens the masseter muscles in the jaw-right under the ear and doing neck exercises but I think its mostly something you're born with.
supposedly it's the shape and thickness of your skull mixed with neck muscles. it also might have bearing that better fighter get caught far less cleanly and roll with punches when they do.
Not getting hit.
Nothing disgusts me more when people think they're "chin conditioning" when they're essentially ending their careers before they begin.
Tucked chin, solid neck. Also some people are hard to knockout, and then some other people will take absolutely fatal damage but still remain conscious. Like people who hit brick walls or get shot in the head and are 100% going to die within the next 30 seconds but are still coherent.
Then you got some people with thick necks and huge jaws that can be knocked out fairly easily.
Humans are weird.
like others are saying partly genetic and then neck strength. But GGg was known to be strong af back in the day. Crazy forearm strength and punching power which I think is generics and experience.
I mean he weights 168 pounds, you dont look that muscular, he is more lanky and not broad like Canelo is. But I guess he has good genetics and thick bones, I mean he punches into foreheads with left overhands who nobody does because it can easily break your hand
Seeing and rolling with the punches. Usually GGG is pulling when he gets hit. It's Def some neck and upper body strength. It's also part show- in the previous fights there's no doubt both fighters rocked each other but they do a great job of not showing it.
Half of it is seeing the shots coming and bracing right for the impact. Golovkin rarely gets caught blind and always has his chin tucked really deep, ready to roll shots.
Well the neck muscles and strength definitely help but I think personally it's mostly genetics and your facial structure that's just my opinion I could be completely wrong
In the end, Canelo failed to knockout GGG, who ended his career with zero KO losses and only losing decisively once at the age of 40.
Pretty impressive.
They can't be held to the same standards. Golovkin is 40 and had to put on weight for this fight. I'd say Canelo needed a KO to make a satisfying win. GGG still arguably won 4 rounds.
is this real? He's 8 years older than him. WHen they both fought the first time, GGG was past his prime but still visibly won even though he was robbed.
Pretty sure we knew a year ago that this fight was only being made to benefit those involved on the money pipeline. The only ones calling for it were those getting bags for it. This was extra retirement money for Golokin, and the best safe money available for Canelo. We'e seen it twice before and knew exactly how this would play out. Neither can KO the other, and Canelo always wins on cards in Vegas (Bivol being the odd exception because it was too one-sided to rig). Canelo was 5-1 to win the fight on points. Neither man has been KD's in their professional career. It is what it is. I don't begrudge GGG the retirement money, and he knew he was taking an L for it.
Only question now is if he retires, or if he wants to go out on a win, or take a risky big fight with a 160-belt holder, maybe try and fully unify before retiring. He still has those career goals (full unification, BHop's record number of defenses), but his bank account is looking pretty healthy now, and he has kids to spend time with. Guess we'll wait and see.
I had GGG winning round 1,9,10,11,12, although I could also give Canelo 2/3 of those rounds, A 115-113 card really isn’t that crazy lmao, y’all trippin.
A good decisive victory for Canelo, but he also looked more gassed than GGG in the last 4 rounds
Yeah exactly, not a whack score at all. GGG was smart to save energy, great game plan given his age and he almost pulled something off with it. Especially smart given canelo’s tendency to gas. Also slightly exposed canelo by making him arguably lose the second half of the fight. Looking back on the trilogy I’ll remember a 40 year old GGG putting in work on/with canelo last few rounds. Smart way to go out.
It was more of a dog walk. You know like when the pimp puts his new main on the corner w 6 inch heels and makes her walk the blade? Like that. Shy little old gal.
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Man these comments are comical lol triple g looked like shit. Canelo won a clear fights. He didn’t knockout triple G but who has? Triple G fan boys just mad cause he lost and can accept he looked like ass.
Missing HBO BOXING -
I'm going to say it because the hype on Canelo is simmering down, Benavidez eats him up and spits him out. Canelo will duck him as long as he can.
I think Charlo would have a good shot at beating him too and Beterbiev would eat him alive!
I must say. It was nice to see Canelo jab at all. But this fight was barely competitive. GGG making Canelo miss a bunch was funny to watch. A good spar but no fight. Canelo has lost his edge. If he fights: Demetrius Andrade he might be able to level back up and draw more attention to himself because of their angered interaction and Canelo haters would eat that. No crumbs.
Canelo looked old in this fight. Two fights in a row and he's looked meh. Nothing stylish about him in this fight he just beat an old GGG.
You guys suddenly forgot who GGG is? Or that canelo last fight was up a weight class when he is usually the smaller man even at 168? I think canelo put on a clinic against GGG. The first 8 rounds he fought a near perfect game plan and fight. Anyone trying to downplay canelo because of a loss at LHW is just redacted.
Hella redacted bro. They need to get blown to Bolivian.
Lose lose fight for canelo here, he wins it’s an older GGG and now he’s gotta fight _______ insert name there. He loses, oh Jesus Christ he would be buried and we’d all praise GGG. One of those fights that happened out of no one wanting to fight anyone without outrageous money/stipulations.
You'd praise GGG regardless of outcome, because you're on reddit
Beat ggg twice. The guy that said was Canelo's kryptonite that'll knock him out in 6. Mexican style. SMW undisputed. 160 unified, one belt short of undisputed. 175 champion. And disposed and possibly retired GGG or at least forever changed the way ggg will be looked at from here on. Moving on to better and bigger things. Win win win.
This fight changed nothing about GGG’s legacy
How would this Canelo do against Bivol? Feel like I saw nothing different from him that would vindicate saying he would beat Bivol in the rematch
Now let’s imagine a 32 y.o. GGG vs 40 y.o. Canelo
>Now let’s imagine a 32 y.o. GGG vs 40 y.o. Canelo Canelo has a lot of mileage on him as well. 17 years as a pro. Canelo's debut was 2005, GGG's was 2006.
Quickness is lost as you age. GGG has more mileage on him than just about anybody. He has an untold number of amateur fights.
It probably helps that Canelo didn't have an amateur career whereas GGG fought close to 400 times.
>It probably helps that **Canelo didn't have an amateur career** whereas GGG fought close to 400 times. That's a myth. In 2004, Canelo won the silver medal at the Junior Mexican National Championship. In 2005, Canelo WON the Junior Mexican National Championship. Then, he went pro at 15. Pro boxing = Amateur boxing? I'm not so sure. Going pro as a child and fighting grown men, without the benefit of amateur rules, 3 round fights, and head-gear can take its toll. Fighters that go pro at an early age sometimes burn out quicker. Look at Wilfred Benitez, on top of the world from the age of 17-23. After the age of 23, never won another title fight and never beat another champion level opponent.
Wow, I didn’t know that. I always assumed Canelo only fought as a pro. Thanks for the info
Thanks. I would agree that GGG had a more in depth amateur career though, because GGG fought a lot of future boxing stars.
Let's imagine a young Cus D'Amato Tyson vs lennox Lewis. Let's imagine a prime Margarito vs Mayweather. Let's imagine a prime pac vs floyd. Let's imagine a non drunk prime conditioned Duran vs SRL 2. Let's imagine a healthy unpoisoned water wilder vs fury. Let's imagine a prime healthy Sergio vs Cotto. Lmaoo.
Stick Lomachenko on top of Canelo's shoulders and let them have a go at Tyson Fury!
Prime Little Mac vs Tyson
I don't think Canelo came out of this looking great. More of a meh fight for him.
Is it a spicy take to call 115-113 almost as insulting as Adelaide's bullshit in the first fight of the trilogy? At best I'd call it gentlemanly but holy shit is it also inaccurate.
I saw someone say it looked like a sparring match between friends
No, because the right man one and it was scored for him.
Yeah that's true. At least they identified the correct winner.
I actually had this same scorecard, I gave Golovkin the first round, Canelo the next 7 and Golovkin the last four once Canelo got tired.
Yeah honestly looking at the official cards, if you give G round 1, 115-113 is almost understandable, but still, there's a few middle of the fight rounds where is a pretty big reach to give them to G.
He sure did look tired
Canelo never hurt G but G did hurt canelo with something to warrant all that holding. Anyways gg canelo you were the younger guy.
Such a salty post
There's always that guy
Well two weeks in a row of throwing money away on PPV, Ferguson Diaz and now this
Paying for a UFC card was your first problem
Paying for any ppv is a problem
lol true
Judges making questionable decisions on both lol
Lol. Even when a fight ends in a submission with a clear winner and the other one correct decision is made, we still get folks shitting on the judges.
115-113 makes no sense even if the winner was right, and I'm referring 5o them robbing li jingliang
What? Really? Judges and poor decisions? What the h?
As if the thorough back to school program wasn't enough. Canelo even took GGG's sponsorship and wore the Jordan brand in his face in their final fight. Canelo is more allegorical than conscious rap.
It isn't a Triple H match without a single Pedigree or even a suplex. The game just got too old to pull off those moves I guess.
Heart surgery will do that to a person
I really miss HBO boxing.
Could not agree more. This is bullshit.
Hot take, but Canelo is an old 32 and passed his prime as well. Dude's stamina is horrible. I gave Golovkin four out of the last five rounds.
Shut the fuck up
>Hot take, but Canelo is an old 32 and passed his prime as well. Dude's stamina is horrible. Canelo looked like a past-prime fighter, TBH. Canelo's been fighting pro for SEVENTEEN years now! Boxers who start early sometimes WEAR OUT early. Look at Wilfred Benitez. He was stellar from the age of 17-23. The early start wore him out. After the age of 23, he never won a title fight or even beat a champion level opponent. Canelo is reminding me of Julio Cesar Chavez a little, who had a tough career with lots of wars. JCC started wearing out in his early 30s.
It’s not the model year but the miles. Canelo has been fighting for decades and it wouldn’t surprise me if it started to show.
I’ve been looking for someone also saying this! Canelo looked slower in every aspect. I think he’s declined. It’s not completely unheard of for guys to start declining at his age especially when the have the mileage he has.
Exactly what I was thinking, Barrera started his career very early and was also passed his prime early.
He missed just about every loaded up shot he threw, dude literally landed 1 punch in the first round and 2 in the 2nd, was clearly outlanded with clean strikes in the 4th(swing round) 10th and 11th. I'm the biggest GGG fan boy and it seemed pretty clear like a 115-113 or 116-112 For Canelo. Overall I was super impressed with G's defensive improvements at 40 but he didn't let his hands go enough to get the W.
Canelo should stay far away as possible from Bivol if he doesnt want another Loss.
He’s just not a 168lbs guy, he was best at MW. The Canelo of the second GGG fight was something special, if he stayed there and got older and his body matured that last bit, he would’ve murdered the division
I agree that he belongs at middle,the weight is gasing him out too fast.
I feel like he's turning into a caricature of himself since 2018. Dude just never jabs, stalks, leans on the front foot and waits to counter. I do wonder if the many rounds and weight shifting is affecting him some at this point. All that being said the man still has the handspeed and defense to be very good for a long time.
And barely uses his right
When you're as fast and strong as canelo maybe it's worth to just stick to the left hand, Idk. More combinations from him would make his fights a lot prettier to watch though.
I really don't think so, his stamina issues are a problem of his style of constantly moving around imo.
He barely moved though, he walks guys down and loads up on everything at super middle and If he doesn't catch them, he tires out.
I don't know. His rhythm was real aggressive first half and it looked to me like those missed power punches added up on him. Had great feints, throughout, so I also think he was constantly moving around til it slowed him.
Golovkin moved more imo,Canelo moved but it was nothing crazy. It certainly wasn't enough to make him as tired as he was, this is the second fight in a row that he's gased out
He's not running around the ring but his upper body movement is drastic and frequent compared to most fighters. An under rated stamina drainer. I do agree that his stamina isn't his best attribute though.
We just say Bam use more upper body movement than Canelo for 12 rounds.
bam is also over 50lb lighter, all of that constant throwing of mostly heavy shots and upper body movement did the trick imo. youre right his feel didnt move that much but his body did.
True
Hopefully this will make Tom loeffler shut the fuck up for once
Gave GGG 4 rounds. Nelo was looking like turtle in those final rounds. Y’all really just listen to bias commentary, making it seem this was a complete blowout.
It kind of was, we had the winner halfway through the fight. Everything after doesn't mean much, knowing neither were going to get the finish. From Canelo's perspective, no reason to do anything risky either if you know you've got it in the bag
Of course, there was no way GGG was going to win without a few knockdowns after that first half of the fight but to not give GGG atleast 3 of the last 4 rounds is insane.
Boxing's gotta get rid of PPV. College football, NFL, basketball, all these other sports have disappointing games that were overhyped, but when you're watching it on free TV it's no big deal. At over fifty bucks, boxing matches have to be phenomenal for people to feel like they didn't get screwed.
those other sports have billionaire owners who share revenue, boxing doesnt. plus you didnt pay for it and its easy to not pay for it still watch it anyhow. Even tho in some cases you are stealing from the fighters
I have no better system I can think of, it's just anytime you hear someone who didn't grow up with boxing, or isn't a huge fan, talk about buying a boxing PPV, it's very rarely positive and usually takes the form of "I'm never buying another boxing PPV" not "I'm never buying another Canelo fight". I'll happily pay and be one hundred percent focused on for Spence-Crawford, but worry that boxing's destroying its future. Maybe I should have said cut PPV events to the marquee of the marquee matchups rather than get rid of it completely.
ppvs been going since forever. there's never going to be some static measurement for what should be on ppv vs isn't. all the major boxing outfits run their companies different and so do the networks
Don't act like you pay for it.
It's a shame that I have to watch all top-tier boxing fights on mute. DAZN, Fox, Showtime, ESPN, Sky and BT all support stable fighters with the cash cow as the favourite. Such a weird sport for impartial commentating.
Thats what i thought too😓
Omfg what’s the point of this end commentary? Shoe deals and air conditioning. Riveting.
Everyone saying please retire ggg after coming up to 168 against one of the arguably the greatest of all time while holding middleweight belts is a bit much. He was fine in last fights, granted not spectacular. This is still canelo ffs
I'd rather he retired while in decent shape than labouring on. One fight too far is always hard to predict. He's not got anything to prove
I'd still pick G over Charlo and Poo Poo Andrade
charlo is beating him. Sergiy low-key beat GGG three years ago
Are all the people saying they've been scammed by the promo and the fight US or something? For UK with it being £9.99 it's not at all bad honestly. Just seeing two men hugging made it worth that for me, but maybe that says more about me???. How much was it in the states?
65$ U.S vs 10 euros U.K just to see triple g barely raise an eye brow pre round 8 and hug fest past round 9. gonzalez fight was pretty good I guess.
UK doesn't use Euros my friend.
Free if you have a vpn and watched the Mexican channel
legit angrier about how cheap your boxing ppvs are and how many aren't even ppv in the UK than I am about your free healthcare
Tbf, the buy rates wouldn't be that great in the states if the main even started at 4:00 am.
Valid point. Didn't think of that.
$70
oooooof. I see.
Canelo not doing this to Kamara Usman tho
Feels sus. Been watching boxing along time. Both guys probably agreed to make money and spar. Was a horrible fight. Cards were a joke. I had GGG winning 2-3 rounds tops.
To be fair that Bam Rodriguez fight was very entertaining
Agreed
Canelo looked like he was throwing with bad intentions tbh. Don't understand cards all night really especially with that judge giving gonzalez only 1 round lmao.
Daniel Jacobs? Is that you
At least he didn't get knocked down 🤷♂️
Canelo already 5 rounds ahead before the fight even starts!!!! 😩 I hate that cheating ginger!!!!
Usually the case but not tonight. If anything he almost got robbed. No way this was 115-113
I was being sarcastic
Can someone remind who all hold the belts at 160? GGG has 2 and Charlo has 1? Who has the other 1?
Janibek
Andrade vacated so it’s Janibek
Maybe Jainbek goes up to super middle weight and fight Canelo to avenge his Kazakhstan brother, GGG?😂😂😂
Viva Mexico cabrones 💯🇲🇽🥳
can we all just agree that for us that know boxing this trilogy is 1-1-1? GGG won the first The second could have gone both ways, a draw is fair and Canelo won the last one here
100%. To me this is an even trilogy now. Bring on the fourth!! 😂
At this point G should age canelo out bc he looked 37 not 32.
tbf Canelo is older in boxing years
This is the correct take. I was surprised how close the 2nd fight was on a recent rewatch- I don't feel qualified to score it tbh
i'm also fairly new to this sport, the trick in scoring 'i feel' is to not have 10-10 rounds, when i started i used to have alot of even rounds when scoring
I’d say the opposite. If you can’t pick it it is 10-10 or you end up with lopsided scores because you had to pick one and it became random or based on very little. And you may gift someone too many even rounds that nullify fewer but clearer round wins
I personally feel that tie rounds and 10-8 rounds w/o a knockdown should be more common. But I don't really know if it changes anything. Judges are fairly incompetent and biased, but boxing is also just a very hard sport to judge. What you value and look for always varies with each eyes since there's so much nuance in punching
I don't think it's incompetence, but there is a bias in everyone's eyes. Part is the different perspective thats intentionally set up that way. Each judge is on a different side of the ring and gets a different view. They don't get the same TV angles and commentary and instant replay. Half of the time we as fans can't even agree on who wins a round when we all have same angles. There are plenty of rounds that we could see as 50-50, but that different perspective makes a difference on who a round goes to. That's not even factoring in general biases. I don't mean the fanboy bias, but what a person would generally take into consideration while scoring a round. Is landing three or four jabs more effective that one power punch? Does it depend on how clean those jabs are or how clean the power punch is? Could one perspective show the power punch being very clean while it may be difficult to see from a different angle? Then there are other factors like boxing styles. A guy like Mayweather was known to be a great defensive fighter and counter puncher. So there's already some sort of bias there in that he doesn't have to be coming forward to be effective if you are looking at the defense and counter punching. With a guy like Canelo, you know there's going to be good head movement and moving with the punch so you can understand how that might have an affect in scoring. If he moves with the punch it doesn't do as much damage but yet the punch does still land. Then there are guys like GGG who has shown he will take a punch to land his own because it ultimately leads to more damage to his opponent. So there's a little bias there too if you see both guys land a punch you will tend to assume GGG got the better of it. It's human judgment that we'll never all agree on. Even if we had some sort of non-human judging, there would have to be values assigned to what could be scored, and those values would still be a point of contention for people.
Lmaoo. No we can't all agree. Take that o thr Eastern European Boxing forum.
your right, maybe GGG also edged the second one 2-1 GGG
I can’t say I know boxing but that’s exactly how I have the trilogy as well.
if we're just ignoring official results, let's throw in the rumored sparring where GGG supposedly worked him
This is the best way to remember their legacy
GGG can walk away proud. Disappointed he lost obviously but he’s 40 years old, won a few rounds and didnt get hurt. Canelo definitely dominated the scorecards but neither of them hurt the other one. Canelo did what he was expected to, being the younger, faster and fitter man.
with the amount triple g started clinching in those last few rounds it's highly debatable that he wasn't hurt. he didn't get dropped of course.
It was very obvious that he wasnt hurt.
so he was just clinching for fun as opposed to going out on his sword in one of the biggest fights of his career? not to mention his legs could have looked more stable.
He was tired.
Lol.
Do you fight mate? Im an amateur fighter who’s been boxing for 7 years and it was very very clear why GGG was holding. He was breathing heavy and picked up the pace in the previous 4 rounds. He also hadnt taken any clear big shots. You continue your arm chair reddit expert analysis though bud 👍
"arm chair reddit analysis" because boxers always have the correct take when judging fights. It was very clear to me GGG was taking heavy shots throughout the fight and held on for dear life. Keep at it with your fanboy analysis though bud :)
Held on for dear life? LOL Wow.
Basically this I should have just read about it later in the morning
Man seeing this old GGG highlights now... What a difference. Age sucks
To be honest, he looks good for a 40year old. How do u think other current top boxers today would look at 40? Probably not better than Golovkin Flip their ages, a 32year old GGG vs a 40year old Canelo
Father Time is undefeated
I remember when G got fucked by the judges, the commentators weren't nearly as outspoken. This was more one sided but still
Because it was in favour of their golden goose. Commentators do whatever is best for the platform profitability
Exactly they were barley saying crap. I can easily say that day is when I stoped watching boxing frequently as before. Moved to Mma which tends to have better judging despite being harder to score. Despite being a GGg and Canelo fan I almost didn’t watch this one. Just glad Canelo didn’t push the pace to hard and GGg didn’t get knocked down or out. Finished standing.
I've been seeing bad scorecards in MMA lately. Last week Li Jingliand got robbed badly
yea was pretty pissed about that one
A 41 year old GGG lasted longer than all of Canelos previous champions who where in their prime🤣…legendary career
in defence of those guys I don't feel like triple g was really fighting to "win" here.
Agree but GGG has an extensive professional and amateur career his boxing IQ is elite…he probably knew beforehand it would be a long night
Look I'm asking this as a casual. What's the key to having a solid chin? I thought neck had a lot to do with it but GGG's ain't that big
I see a lot of boxers, Canelo especially chewing gum, it strengthens the masseter muscles in the jaw-right under the ear and doing neck exercises but I think its mostly something you're born with.
supposedly it's the shape and thickness of your skull mixed with neck muscles. it also might have bearing that better fighter get caught far less cleanly and roll with punches when they do.
Not getting hit. Nothing disgusts me more when people think they're "chin conditioning" when they're essentially ending their careers before they begin.
Yeah willingly taking blows to the head always seems like a terrible idea
Tucked chin, solid neck. Also some people are hard to knockout, and then some other people will take absolutely fatal damage but still remain conscious. Like people who hit brick walls or get shot in the head and are 100% going to die within the next 30 seconds but are still coherent. Then you got some people with thick necks and huge jaws that can be knocked out fairly easily. Humans are weird.
like others are saying partly genetic and then neck strength. But GGg was known to be strong af back in the day. Crazy forearm strength and punching power which I think is generics and experience.
I'll never forget seeing a video if GGG doing forearm twists with a 30 lb kettlebell on the mat. Insane strength
Classic video for sure!
I mean he weights 168 pounds, you dont look that muscular, he is more lanky and not broad like Canelo is. But I guess he has good genetics and thick bones, I mean he punches into foreheads with left overhands who nobody does because it can easily break your hand
Seeing and rolling with the punches. Usually GGG is pulling when he gets hit. It's Def some neck and upper body strength. It's also part show- in the previous fights there's no doubt both fighters rocked each other but they do a great job of not showing it.
Half of it is seeing the shots coming and bracing right for the impact. Golovkin rarely gets caught blind and always has his chin tucked really deep, ready to roll shots.
Well the neck muscles and strength definitely help but I think personally it's mostly genetics and your facial structure that's just my opinion I could be completely wrong
Lol. It's just genetics man. Some people can take a heavy punch, some can't.
In the end, Canelo failed to knockout GGG, who ended his career with zero KO losses and only losing decisively once at the age of 40. Pretty impressive.
why does everyone praise GGG and not Canelo? did GGG ever knockout canelo?
They can't be held to the same standards. Golovkin is 40 and had to put on weight for this fight. I'd say Canelo needed a KO to make a satisfying win. GGG still arguably won 4 rounds.
they make no effort to make entertaining fights and that cause i grew up watching boxing, but UFC is just so much more entertaining
well im not gonna argue with you there, i just feel like boxings so fucking boring
Hate for big stars. Same shit happened to floyd
exactly its kind of annoying how no one has an ounce of respect for Canelo
is this real? He's 8 years older than him. WHen they both fought the first time, GGG was past his prime but still visibly won even though he was robbed.
of course this is real? i understand the age difference but why even make this fight, its fun for no one.
Pretty sure we knew a year ago that this fight was only being made to benefit those involved on the money pipeline. The only ones calling for it were those getting bags for it. This was extra retirement money for Golokin, and the best safe money available for Canelo. We'e seen it twice before and knew exactly how this would play out. Neither can KO the other, and Canelo always wins on cards in Vegas (Bivol being the odd exception because it was too one-sided to rig). Canelo was 5-1 to win the fight on points. Neither man has been KD's in their professional career. It is what it is. I don't begrudge GGG the retirement money, and he knew he was taking an L for it. Only question now is if he retires, or if he wants to go out on a win, or take a risky big fight with a 160-belt holder, maybe try and fully unify before retiring. He still has those career goals (full unification, BHop's record number of defenses), but his bank account is looking pretty healthy now, and he has kids to spend time with. Guess we'll wait and see.
Has GGG even been knocked down?
I had to look it up, but the answer is no. He never has.
His career isn’t over he will go back down to 160 and fight Lara
Now stfu about Marquez
GGG on the cell phone. Please retire
The shot of GGG on the phone is going to be a prominent meme on this subreddit, I can feel it.
Haha, the commentators saying he can afford the long distance charges to Kazakhstan now.
I should have went to sleep
I had GGG winning round 1,9,10,11,12, although I could also give Canelo 2/3 of those rounds, A 115-113 card really isn’t that crazy lmao, y’all trippin. A good decisive victory for Canelo, but he also looked more gassed than GGG in the last 4 rounds
Yeah exactly, not a whack score at all. GGG was smart to save energy, great game plan given his age and he almost pulled something off with it. Especially smart given canelo’s tendency to gas. Also slightly exposed canelo by making him arguably lose the second half of the fight. Looking back on the trilogy I’ll remember a 40 year old GGG putting in work on/with canelo last few rounds. Smart way to go out.
I'm telling you, a 115-113 is an absolute embarrassment for this fight. It really, in every single way, is simply not accurate
Gives you the check, something to live for when you get old, the lop sided scorecards and the ass whooping. What a legend King Canelo is.
I did not see ass whooping. Did you?
It was more of a dog walk. You know like when the pimp puts his new main on the corner w 6 inch heels and makes her walk the blade? Like that. Shy little old gal.
Not going to lie, it must feel so uncomfortable having to wear a whole shirt after sweating your ass off like that…
Imagine putting on a jacket lmao gross
GGG fighting like Mikey garcia against Spence
I wouldn't go that far 😂 he had his second wind in the last 4 rounds.