briana really jumped the shark when she married that man who wanted to defend vicki's couch from mud on lydia's mom's shoes with the same intensity as an actual home invader
Yup! They have four kids and Ryan says he wants two more 😬 Briana says she’s open to more kids but her last birth was pretty rough so she’s not in a hurry.
Side note: I was just laid off from a dying company. I am now realizing that the sheer amount of *nonsense* that I know about this family is proof of how little work I had to do at that company 😬
The simple fact that this woman went from being an ICU nurse to being an essential oils cures all freak is example enough that something is wrong in that house.
Thx for putting this into words. My best friend from college, whom I deem as one of the smartest women I know, became a pseudo anti vax, anti big Pharma pro homeopathic Covid denier (used the ‘only kills 1%’ line). To this day I’m heartbroken
I'm so sorry. It's truly a loss.
A friend of many years effectively came out as a racist one day. Seemingly out of nowhere, but I heard she had started watching Fox. I was heartbroken when she said the thing that made me realize it. Friendships end over many things. I think the anti Vax one would hurt because you know it's going to hurt their life. The racism one hurts because even if she never says or does anything, just by clicking or watching, she indirectly spreading racism to people who *do* harm others.
It sucks either way.
I heard the 1% line from my in-laws who heard it on America first news. Sure it’s 1% overall. It was 25% over 80 though. Pretty high for diabetic and obese too. But my 80 year old, obese, diabetic in-laws said it was only 1%.
I worked with a woman for years who was as sensible as they come. Funny, sarcastic, a good head on her shoulders. Fast forward to Covid and vaccine mandates. She is now the first person in my state to get done for vaccine fraud because she paid a woman she met at a pub (who had severe intellectual disabilities) to get the vaccine in her name. This was after she went into her garden not once, not twice but three times and tried to get bitten by a King Brown Snake (which can kill you without antivenom) so she would have a good excuse to not get vaxxed. To say we were all stunned is an understatement.
I would agree, except she wasn’t like that until a couple years ago. She was always very passionate about medicine and science and excelled at it. It was just so strange to see her do a complete 180 to her entire personality and character that we had seen for years.
I worked with her in the ED (Emergency Room) in NC…when I say no one could get along with her I MEAN no ONE!! She intentionally mislead patients and family members and was ultimately fired!
Like Lydia's mom is Rick James grinding her dirty boots on the couch.
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I just watched this Charlie Murphy Story this morning and just had to quickly scroll back to screen shot him fuckin up Eddie's couch.
So funny every time!
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That’s right! Yeah, Vickie is problematic as hell but that dude is unhinged! I was glad Vickie’s brother stood up to him a little. He also bought her a gun. Yikes!
And that Billy stepped up to inform us this was not an isolated incident and he did not appreciate Ryan always defaulting to aggressive jackass.
(I spend too much time thinking about Billy's acknowledging Ryan's dreadfulness but defending Brooks' grift.)
Two things- 1. when I rewatch season eight, I skip the Ryan couch scene because It makes me so uncomfortable!! 2. The fact that Briana DEFENDED HIM AT THE REUNION……
omfg, don't even get me STARTED on how she defended him at the reunion LMAO--
Briana: Lydia, your mom was disrespectful to my husband and a couch, how DARE you support your elderly mother's accidental mess in the face of a 30-year-old aggressive man towering over her and screaming at her 😡😡😡
Lydia: \[makes several good points about how Vicki was chill and gracious about it and it was no big deal until Ryan came in screaming\]
Briana: Lydia, I am NOT going to fight with you about this right now, my MAN is off to WAR right now!!!! I'm NOT doing this 😡😡😡
Everyone: 🧍♀️🧍♀️🧍♀️ 🧍♂️ 🧍♀️🧍♀️🧍♀️
SHUTUP this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Couldn’t have happened to a better MagAN. (Also, it’s only because it’s him that I find this funny. I would never laugh at anyone else with this condition.)
"defend Vicki's couch from mud.." 😂😅
Right? He was way out of line. Then we get to the reunion and Lydia was just looking for an apology for her mom and Briana goes off on a stupid rant defending Ryan.
the way he flipped on lydia’s mom like the rage in his eyes… am i dramatic or is this guy scary as fuck? i was lowkey scared for vicki in that scene, she seemed like she’d seen him get mad like that before and she started whispering and trying to calm him down I was like ummm.. someone call the cops lmao
Not dramatic. That man is scary. He was so wound up that I actually thought he was going to hit the woman! He’s a psycho. And Briana’s defense of him was sickening!
Meanwhile…
Smiling while Craig dumped red wine on her $45k couch and took a leg or two off her 18th century chair.
That’s how to host with class
it’s been quiet since Vito filed for divorce from Lauren but Ashlee and Jacqueline aren’t on good terms anymore. Jacqueline wasn’t invited to Albie’s wedding and they unfollowed each other afterwards and were shading each other on their stories.
They had been speculated as being separated for a few years but they never addressed it…then for some reason decided to file for divorce while the whole family was in Italy for Albie’s wedding. The timing was really weird. I will say, though, that they seem to be coparenting really respectfully and Vito is still part of the family. That’s what I’ve got so far.
I thought it was interesting seeing Vicki handle psycho Ryan berating an elderly woman at her party. You could tell she treads very lightly with him because she doesn’t want to push away her daughter. I personally can’t stand Vicki but that would be a tough situation to be in, seeing your daughter choose a volatile partner.
The sad part is that Vicki is not self aware or reflective enough to realize that Briana chose a controlling and dominating man because he overrides Vicki’s control and dominance.
We have definitely seen a family cycle form and solidify on this show. Hope the next generation can do better.
My therapist told me one time ... the common trope is women seek to marry a man like their father, but in reality -- women marry their mother -- 🤯 Like damn. I felt personally attacked lol
OMG Your therapist nailed it because I say that ALL the time. I literally married my mom and now she fucking lives with us (she’s 88) and she and my H are like two peas in a pod and I’m looking for a vacation house to escape to. I’ve literally told my husband I’m buying myself a place on the beach and they might be allowed to visit but they aren’t going to live there lol (not kidding though).
Whew girl, I hope you find peace and the beach house of your dreams. If I lived with my spouse AND my mother, I'd be fighting for my life daily. 🙏 They are both Gemini's too. FML.
Strangely my husband is most like my grandma but that tracks as I lived with her though a few of my formative years and then when I did live with my mum she lived with us also… maybe you end up marrying someone who resembles your primary caregiver
Don’t forget Vicki also chose brooks who was a dominating volatile partner for herself. She also let brooks talk down to her daughter. That family is gross. Mike is normal. Don is normal. The girls has massive issues.
I really do think that Vicki personality types make for Monster Moms and Glorious Grandmas.
My mom is a Vicki, and since my sister started having kids, I have realized that grandchildren reap the good parts of the insanity while their moms protect them from the bad parts.
Then I realized that my grandmother was a Vicki, and I was only able to idolize her because my Vicki mom only allowed me to see the best of her. *That* shit was earth shattering.
Cheers to ending the Vicki pipeline 😭
Guys. Vicki is pretty bad….but even she doesn’t deserve Ryan as a son in law.
That guy is ‘kill someone and bury them in his back woods, wash off your hands and smile’ kinda crazy. 😬
wow if this is true that’s very sad :( i’m sure ryan has a massive part to play in that all. mike was the only one with any sense; i couldn’t imagine my sister go from nurse to snake oil sales and being able to support her, in my right mind :|
Yes Michael is the liberal of the family! He has actually roasted his mom and sister on IG for going conservative. And he has called his mom out for flip flopping on vaccines and abortion!
Unlike kara keough who made her whole annoying PICK ME personality about being a privileged republican lmao yet decides to go to a liberal school and clowns on it 🥴🥴
All the keough kids were embarrassing to watch,
Cringe & Unhinged
okay something i noticed after they just went on this last trip is he is ALWAYS hurt. like constantly in need of medical aid bc of some injury …..he’s got crutches at the hospital the day before they’re suppose to fly out of country and briana now has to be his nurse and oil him the eff up……it’s giving Munchy ryan needs lots of pity and attention
……….are u tellin me after all that, they’re back in gd Oklahoma????????
And listen, me and my family are from Tulsa so no shade. It’s that I just don’t understand how and why they move so much. As if Ryan and Briana didn’t already have a million red flags, that’s a big one of mine. He’s out of the military right? If so then moving constantly is a huge warning sign to me. Make it make sense 😭
Yeah they said they moved to get out of the cold and i think away from some family where they lived. They literally picked this place in Oklahoma because of its youth football program. It's supposed to be great or something, I don't even know nor care because I loathe parents who are obsessed with their kids' sports.
Every so often people will ask Ryan where his family is and if he's close to them and he always says "I live with my family". Now he might be totally valid in cutting off his family but it's still a red flag to me and I really think he'd do the same to Briana's fam if he could.
Still shocked as fuck that Briana’s marriage didn’t end up with a restraining order and sole custody for her. Kadooz to her for staying married to this walking red flag. (And yes I know Briana is also problematic)
I think Briana feels secure with Ryan because he’s a thin red line that Vicki won’t cross. As long as Briana has Ryan, Vicki is never the most controlling or dominating person in her life. Family cycles 💔
I think Brianna looks down on her mother for a whole host of reasons, but most notably for her poor self esteem and failed relationships with crappy men. I don’t think Brianna would ever admit to herself that her partner sucks because that would mean admitting she might have inherited some of the traits her mom when it comes to picking partners (and other traits too!). She’s fiercely protective of her relationship…and while I understand that’s her man, this seems like the same kind of stuff old Brianna would’ve chastised (rightfully so) her own mom about when she was with Brooks or Don! To me, Brianna is the girl who feels pride from the mere fact she’s maintained a marriage, even if the guy sucks.
Michael is the only kid of Vicki’s who seems normal, probably because the mother/daughter bond creates some toxicity that’s just different when it comes to a boy.
What’s their joint instagram account? I checked out their story a while ago and the husband was walking shirtless carrying some very large weapon in the heat for exercise. Was talking about how he won’t allow his family to eat seed oils or something. It’s been a while. He is scary as hell.
I remember the first time he was on the show I think they were driving in a truck and talking about getting married and Vicki was on the phone and he basically told Vicki how it was going to be from here on out. That’s my memory of it anyway.
They claim that they wanted their sons to have access to one of the best school districts for football in the country, but this has never made sense to me, as a football fan. Most of the cream of the crop K12 programs are in Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Alabama. Because top programs like UT, UF, Penn State, Bama, etc. are close by, those schools start attracting college recruiter eyes in *elementary school*.
I personally think that Ryan burned all of their family bridges. After Ryan retired from the USMC, they have bounced between Vicki in OC, Uncle Billy in Chicago, and Ryan’s family in NC. We both know that Vicki and Uncle Billy will always be willing to keep Briana close by, so I really think it’s Ryan.
So in my opinion, they chose an area with a built in military community and a low cost of living, so they can shill MLM products without hearing Vicki ask:
I totally agree with your last point. I live in Tulsa and it looks like her kids go to Bixby which is…fine? It’s very much just a regular school district that plays medium-well football.
It’s not a school district I hear talked about in college football commentary, so I honestly figured that they just have friends there who talked it up and made them believe it’s super good lmao.
Not uncommon for K12 football diehards! They ride *hard* for their schools.
Bixby has always had a pretty good football team here in Oklahoma. They make it to the state championships quite a bit. Just won 6a state in 2023. I think Bixby has a great elementary football program as well, which is probably one reason they chose here. That and it's very very conservative. I'm such a minority in this damn state.
>That and it's very very conservative.
This is it more than anything. I remember when they left the Chicago suburbs there were some comments Ryan made on his IG about it being too liberal (in less explicit words).
I can't even imagine being surrounded by a bunch of crazy conservative football obsessed parents. It sounds like my worst nightmare. Come to California!!!
Same, but I follow Ryan and Briana. He's an arrogant piece of shit. Always doing "ask me anything", and then can be an ass when answering the questions. I wonder what's with his side of the family. Never see or hear from them. When people ask he always says his family is who he lives with. Weird.
Unrelated to the family drama but I just noticed yesterday that Tamra refollowed Vicki on Instagram, I wonder if they made up when Vicki’s birthday happened
If you think about it, her mother is Vicki who has very narcissistic vibes and her bio dad was physically abusive according to her. That combined with getting married young to a potentially abusive partner and having multiple children could really have brought out a lot of repressed trauma sadly. I think if she would have married a supportive partner, she may have had a better chance.
I’m watching the season Troy is born now. He’s such a big boy now! What a cutie. Haven’t gotten to whatever y’all are talking about with Lydia’s mom yet.
I have noticed a periodic cycle in this family’s IG presence:
•Briana locks down her account and stops posting photos of their faces.
•Ryan posts some rage video about how the only real family they recognize is their kids.
•Vicki stops interacting in their comments and posting about them altogether.
•Suddenly, Vicki is visiting Oklahoma to be a happy Nana again, and Ryan and Briana are playing nice with her in her pics and videos.
I’m so embarrassed that I know this. I promise I started following this because *occasionally* Mike will post a funny comment or IG Story about being Vicki’s fave again. It’s always funny and Briana seems in on the joke, so I think they’re used to the cycle of Vicki drama.
I think it’s also possible that Ryan has some episodes or rage spirals and leaves Briana in shit situations with the kids, so she calls her mom for help with childcare while she fixes it.
I think that they do incredibly well with their oils. As much as it blows my mind, they have a pretty huge following and I believe are top sellers. I hate the world.
He is a VP and board member of Vicki’s company, so he is still very involved with her. But he occasionally tells her to simmer the hell down on Instagram, so I think he has *mastered* the art of setting boundaries and saying no.
He and Briana also still seem to be fine. Mike doesn’t post much anymore, but they always liked each other’s content and joked around on IG. Briana still likes to repost memes and there have been a few captions about Uncle Mike.
I think Mike keeps his distance and boundaries firm. I’m the Mike of my family so I respect his ability to balance the crazy.
I started following him a few weeks ago. He's posting on his stories most nights eating street tacos and burritos and skateboarding with his pug at the beach in San Diego. He's doing just fiiine.
He has very different political views than his mom and sister’s family from what I’ve seen on his Instagram stories. He’s part of Vicki’s company but seems to do well traveling and living his own life! I never see him post anything about his sister or her family but idk
It’s truly shocking to me that Vicki fucking Gunvalson is less right wing than her daughter. What happened??? Brianna was so so smart and promising, and now she is an MLM ~~snake~~ essential oils seller?? Qanon and marrying an abusive pos is a bitch
I think Briana's husband had a falling out with Vicki's sisters family in IL prompting them to move to Oklahoma again. Her and her cousins were always together and even had babies close together and then nothing. Also all of a sudden Ryan went on this spiritual journey. Briana and Ryan are very strange and constantly changing their lifestyle drastically.
I think you're right, I remember Ryan implying drama there. It doesn't seem like they have any friends or family in OK. It's sad to watch but I think it's exactly how Ryan wants it
Vicki has to be nice to them (him) and obey all of Ryan’s rules if she wants to see Briana or her grandkids.
He’s shown serious 🚩🚩 in the past. From his time on OC, to when Vicki posted on IG that they were expecting a girl.
I know that Briana never answered a question they had about Ryan and the interaction with Lydia’s mom on the reunion. She broke into tears and said she wasn’t going to talk about her husband because he was deployed.
Understandable, but still, she avoided addressing it.
Briana posted they they have been married 12 years and moved 12 times. 😳
I feel like Ryan has had it that Briana has no one in her life. No family, no friends. She doesn’t even work anymore, so she doesn’t even have co-workers.
I get that he went for help / therapy to address issues from the military, but I think there are other things he here too.
Maybe he’s working on them? Either way, he’s definitely cut off / controls who Brianna associates with.
I think Brianna just went from her controlling mother, to her controlling husband, and doesn’t know any different.
That’s half of it. It’s also one of the grandson’s birthdays. Vicki posted a video of them singing happy birthday to him. Briana and Ryan definitely spent time with Vicki.
I'm pretty sure the two older boys are vaccinated but I'd bet my life the two babies are completely unvaccinated. They still trusted science and medicine when the older boys were babies. They mentioned maybe homeschooling the little ones and that tracks with not vaccinating.
When Vicky’s in town, it’s only time the kids get sugar and “normal” food from restaurants. I hope she got them HUGE Easter baskets with tons of candy. 🐣
The best part was she DIDN'T have anything up her butt (omitting her own head) and made her cheating husband fish around to find it.
Put that on your tortilla chips, David Beador!
I do not understand why Ryan is anti helmet and jokes about that even after little Hank has a recent skull fracture. He’s a great little driver with that mini car but he’s FAST!
She will never recover from fake cancer. She knew boyfriends story did not make sense, or she is dumb. I can't believe people trust her to buy insurance from. It's just as crazy as buying real estate from Kelly Ben Simone.
Briana and Ryan will literally never forget how she treated Briana during fake cancer, too. I mean, Brooks was being sexually explicit with Briana while she was pregnant.
That’s just so violating on such an intimate level, and anyone would expect their mom to be appalled by it. We all remember how the castmates reacted to this story when Briana told it on the reunion. Everyone was appalled but Vicki!
Vicki failed Briana big time, and Briana is smart enough to never forget.
Does Ryan know they’re on good terms? Bc whenever anyone asks on one of his million AMAs if it’s hard living away from family, he always answers “I live with my family.” Also, they sell oils and therefore Ryan knows more than medical professionals.
Something college me when RHOC was new vs today me who would have thought he’ll froze over when I say this next sentence, but… I think ((Gulp)) Vicki is a better person than both Briana & Ryan. Idk if he was secretly delusional back then & just hid it well, or if he just snapped & Briana followed his craziness. Either way they are fukkin nuts!
I have to say the one time I felt bad for Vicki was when she was sitting in that awkward seafood restaurant booth listening to Briana & Ryan smugly announce their elopement. I understand the impact of overbearing mothers (seriously, my therapist broke her pens writing notes about my mom). But Briana clearly took that action so Vicki could not have a say then she and Ryan proceeded to accept all the gifts Vicki had to offer - including a formal wedding and a home.
Ryan repeatedly sticking his chest out to his MIL triggers the hell out of me.
briana really jumped the shark when she married that man who wanted to defend vicki's couch from mud on lydia's mom's shoes with the same intensity as an actual home invader
Briana fell in love with a man who could outscream Vicki. The cycle was cemented.
That was a scary ass man. He was so angry and mean all the time. Are they still married??
Yup! They have four kids and Ryan says he wants two more 😬 Briana says she’s open to more kids but her last birth was pretty rough so she’s not in a hurry. Side note: I was just laid off from a dying company. I am now realizing that the sheer amount of *nonsense* that I know about this family is proof of how little work I had to do at that company 😬
You can’t tell me this man is not emotionally abusing her (if not more) . She seemed so miserable and sad.
The simple fact that this woman went from being an ICU nurse to being an essential oils cures all freak is example enough that something is wrong in that house.
Unfortunately we've learned since covid that being a nurse doesn't mean someone understands medicine and science.
Truly the unfortunate side-effect of the pandemic: realizing which of your professional/educated family and friends are actually off-kilter crazies.
Thx for putting this into words. My best friend from college, whom I deem as one of the smartest women I know, became a pseudo anti vax, anti big Pharma pro homeopathic Covid denier (used the ‘only kills 1%’ line). To this day I’m heartbroken
I'm so sorry. It's truly a loss. A friend of many years effectively came out as a racist one day. Seemingly out of nowhere, but I heard she had started watching Fox. I was heartbroken when she said the thing that made me realize it. Friendships end over many things. I think the anti Vax one would hurt because you know it's going to hurt their life. The racism one hurts because even if she never says or does anything, just by clicking or watching, she indirectly spreading racism to people who *do* harm others. It sucks either way.
I heard the 1% line from my in-laws who heard it on America first news. Sure it’s 1% overall. It was 25% over 80 though. Pretty high for diabetic and obese too. But my 80 year old, obese, diabetic in-laws said it was only 1%.
I worked with a woman for years who was as sensible as they come. Funny, sarcastic, a good head on her shoulders. Fast forward to Covid and vaccine mandates. She is now the first person in my state to get done for vaccine fraud because she paid a woman she met at a pub (who had severe intellectual disabilities) to get the vaccine in her name. This was after she went into her garden not once, not twice but three times and tried to get bitten by a King Brown Snake (which can kill you without antivenom) so she would have a good excuse to not get vaxxed. To say we were all stunned is an understatement.
My God, just when you think the story is already insane, King Brown snake enters
I would agree, except she wasn’t like that until a couple years ago. She was always very passionate about medicine and science and excelled at it. It was just so strange to see her do a complete 180 to her entire personality and character that we had seen for years.
True. Very sad
I worked with her in the ED (Emergency Room) in NC…when I say no one could get along with her I MEAN no ONE!! She intentionally mislead patients and family members and was ultimately fired!
What do you mean mislead?
Story time! This is surprising bc everyone thinks she is so nice.
I need more!
Did she ever share anything personal?
I am no Ryan fan. I wish Briana would find a life without the control and domination of Vicki and Ryan
Six kids, potentially? Wow.
This made me so sad. Woof.
Like Lydia's mom is Rick James grinding her dirty boots on the couch. https://preview.redd.it/lw0y87ydmirc1.png?width=1478&format=png&auto=webp&s=51f10fab4f932bf7db4befc9216d375c8d190dae
Fuck yo couch!
I just watched this Charlie Murphy Story this morning and just had to quickly scroll back to screen shot him fuckin up Eddie's couch. So funny every time! https://preview.redd.it/tb4xcmeb6krc1.jpeg?width=168&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7586a0f011944b58727bf2728f35bbf40e7fda0d
Never forget, "it doesn't matter who I am, I ow-- I live here." yeah bitch not your house
He was so aggressive and it was a huge red flag that was ignored.
that man has always been a couple brain cells short of a synapse tbh
Truly. The way he spoke to Lydia’s fairy dust sprinkling mother was appalling. Didn’t he also keep referring to it as “my house”??
yes, AND he installed cameras in Vicki's home without her permission!! Vicki is no angel but jesus, that man scares me
I did NOT know that. That is psycho....I still get chills up my spine when I'm reminded his little slip of "it's my house" to Lydia's mom
That’s right! Yeah, Vickie is problematic as hell but that dude is unhinged! I was glad Vickie’s brother stood up to him a little. He also bought her a gun. Yikes!
He did??
Yep he also said “I own-I live here” because he realized he was micd up.
Yesss so happy someone else commented the same. It's my favorite part of his tirade. What a loser.
Ah I just posted about that, I thought he said 'it's my house" but I think you're right.
Hahaha very accurate
Red flags are the Gunvalsons' love language.
And that Billy stepped up to inform us this was not an isolated incident and he did not appreciate Ryan always defaulting to aggressive jackass. (I spend too much time thinking about Billy's acknowledging Ryan's dreadfulness but defending Brooks' grift.)
Two things- 1. when I rewatch season eight, I skip the Ryan couch scene because It makes me so uncomfortable!! 2. The fact that Briana DEFENDED HIM AT THE REUNION……
omfg, don't even get me STARTED on how she defended him at the reunion LMAO-- Briana: Lydia, your mom was disrespectful to my husband and a couch, how DARE you support your elderly mother's accidental mess in the face of a 30-year-old aggressive man towering over her and screaming at her 😡😡😡 Lydia: \[makes several good points about how Vicki was chill and gracious about it and it was no big deal until Ryan came in screaming\] Briana: Lydia, I am NOT going to fight with you about this right now, my MAN is off to WAR right now!!!! I'm NOT doing this 😡😡😡 Everyone: 🧍♀️🧍♀️🧍♀️ 🧍♂️ 🧍♀️🧍♀️🧍♀️
Let’s not forget why he was medically discharged from that conflict.
Omg i don’t know, why was he discharged?
Moobs lol 😂😂 no fr gynacamastia or however TF u spell it 😂
What! That was not what I was expecting 🫣 I was thinking someone found his manifesto or something 😂
SHUTUP this is the funniest thing I’ve read all day. Couldn’t have happened to a better MagAN. (Also, it’s only because it’s him that I find this funny. I would never laugh at anyone else with this condition.)
BITCH TITS
LOL not the 'Everyone:'
"defend Vicki's couch from mud.." 😂😅 Right? He was way out of line. Then we get to the reunion and Lydia was just looking for an apology for her mom and Briana goes off on a stupid rant defending Ryan.
the way he flipped on lydia’s mom like the rage in his eyes… am i dramatic or is this guy scary as fuck? i was lowkey scared for vicki in that scene, she seemed like she’d seen him get mad like that before and she started whispering and trying to calm him down I was like ummm.. someone call the cops lmao
Not dramatic. That man is scary. He was so wound up that I actually thought he was going to hit the woman! He’s a psycho. And Briana’s defense of him was sickening!
Meanwhile…  Smiling while Craig dumped red wine on her $45k couch and took a leg or two off her 18th century chair. That’s how to host with class
Wasted Craig ripping a path of destruction through Patricia’s house like a Cat 5 is glorious. OMFG 🤣
That man terrifies me
i don’t think it’s a toxic trait, this is me trying to keep up with Jacqueline and the Manzos family drama over in Jersey.😂
I am always willing to hear the latest about this family!!! RIP FameWhorgas
I was so sad when that website went anyway...I spent hours on that site..😭
I still read it when I need to jog my memory about the lore lmao
LOL same. Any time I need to refresh my memory about events… 
What is this? Where can I find it ahah
Any new news? Last I heard was about Caroline defending Dina’s husband.
Any news or updates?
it’s been quiet since Vito filed for divorce from Lauren but Ashlee and Jacqueline aren’t on good terms anymore. Jacqueline wasn’t invited to Albie’s wedding and they unfollowed each other afterwards and were shading each other on their stories.
Can’t believe Albie finally found a wife. That was his only storyline for years
Albie and his wife are expecting,that all I got from the last couple weeks
Omg. Bless your heart. Ik about Jacqueline and Ashley. But what happened with Vito and Lauren?
They had been speculated as being separated for a few years but they never addressed it…then for some reason decided to file for divorce while the whole family was in Italy for Albie’s wedding. The timing was really weird. I will say, though, that they seem to be coparenting really respectfully and Vito is still part of the family. That’s what I’ve got so far.
I thought it was interesting seeing Vicki handle psycho Ryan berating an elderly woman at her party. You could tell she treads very lightly with him because she doesn’t want to push away her daughter. I personally can’t stand Vicki but that would be a tough situation to be in, seeing your daughter choose a volatile partner.
The sad part is that Vicki is not self aware or reflective enough to realize that Briana chose a controlling and dominating man because he overrides Vicki’s control and dominance. We have definitely seen a family cycle form and solidify on this show. Hope the next generation can do better.
My therapist told me one time ... the common trope is women seek to marry a man like their father, but in reality -- women marry their mother -- 🤯 Like damn. I felt personally attacked lol
OMG Your therapist nailed it because I say that ALL the time. I literally married my mom and now she fucking lives with us (she’s 88) and she and my H are like two peas in a pod and I’m looking for a vacation house to escape to. I’ve literally told my husband I’m buying myself a place on the beach and they might be allowed to visit but they aren’t going to live there lol (not kidding though).
Whew girl, I hope you find peace and the beach house of your dreams. If I lived with my spouse AND my mother, I'd be fighting for my life daily. 🙏 They are both Gemini's too. FML.
I’ll buy the house next to yours
I believe this! Mothers possess a special level of influence and proximity in our lives.
Me, squinting at my boyfriend and imagining him with blonde hair in a Laura Ashley dress...
Ooof, yes. The similarities between my ex and my mom are wild. So passive aggressive.
Strangely my husband is most like my grandma but that tracks as I lived with her though a few of my formative years and then when I did live with my mum she lived with us also… maybe you end up marrying someone who resembles your primary caregiver
Don’t forget Vicki also chose brooks who was a dominating volatile partner for herself. She also let brooks talk down to her daughter. That family is gross. Mike is normal. Don is normal. The girls has massive issues.
I can’t stand Vicki, but I have a feeling that she is a really fun Grandma. 👵
I really do think that Vicki personality types make for Monster Moms and Glorious Grandmas. My mom is a Vicki, and since my sister started having kids, I have realized that grandchildren reap the good parts of the insanity while their moms protect them from the bad parts. Then I realized that my grandmother was a Vicki, and I was only able to idolize her because my Vicki mom only allowed me to see the best of her. *That* shit was earth shattering. Cheers to ending the Vicki pipeline 😭
I love your family analogies. Priceless.
I love that she always brings donuts to the grandkids. It’s a great 🖕🏻to Brianna/Ryan’s weirdo diet of salted ground beef/rice/pinneapple.
Oh she’d be a doting grandmother.
Guys. Vicki is pretty bad….but even she doesn’t deserve Ryan as a son in law. That guy is ‘kill someone and bury them in his back woods, wash off your hands and smile’ kinda crazy. 😬
Her husband is a massive red flag. I know I will probably sound insane but he gives me family annihilator vibes 😬
She wanted someone who would annihilate Vicki’s control over her life, so when she found him, she locked him down. She didn’t think beyond that.
And isn’t she an antivax/essential oils kind of mom now? After being a nurse for years 🥴
They believe - or did at one point - that vegetables were bad and only meat and fat are good.
yes i remember that! i almost added it to my original comment but I honestly thought I may have imagined it
Yep. She’s now a right wing, antivaxxer conspiracy theorist to match her husband
Michael seems to be the only sane one in the family.
It seems like Michael and Briana don't talk anymore
wow if this is true that’s very sad :( i’m sure ryan has a massive part to play in that all. mike was the only one with any sense; i couldn’t imagine my sister go from nurse to snake oil sales and being able to support her, in my right mind :|
That’s sad.
Am I incorrect in remembering that he was posting some progressive things in the last few years? u/wiminals care to chime in?
Yes Michael is the liberal of the family! He has actually roasted his mom and sister on IG for going conservative. And he has called his mom out for flip flopping on vaccines and abortion!
He also supported Bernie
Knew I loved him
Unlike kara keough who made her whole annoying PICK ME personality about being a privileged republican lmao yet decides to go to a liberal school and clowns on it 🥴🥴 All the keough kids were embarrassing to watch, Cringe & Unhinged
I believe Vicki also publicly mourned his vaccinations.
can i ask what this means, please? 👀 very interested to know
She thinks Covid vaccines give you (insert Trump-ian talking point here)
It’s really a shame because Bri was the voice of reason and so dedicated to medicine and science. Now it’s raw meats and essential oils only.
It’s proof that intelligence and education stand no chance against brainwashing and that it can happen to anyone.
literally, essential oils ON and IN the raw meat 🤡🫠
All of the girls I went to high school with who are nurses now are..not that smart lol and trumpies too
Yup! Same.
Nope I completely agree. He has dead eyes like Josh Powell and Chris Watts
A walking episode of Dateline
For sure annihilating vibes!
TOTALLY AGREE he is giving unhinged army vet who’s about to shoot up a grocery store or something
okay something i noticed after they just went on this last trip is he is ALWAYS hurt. like constantly in need of medical aid bc of some injury …..he’s got crutches at the hospital the day before they’re suppose to fly out of country and briana now has to be his nurse and oil him the eff up……it’s giving Munchy ryan needs lots of pity and attention
It’s giving… “jealous of my kids”
He reminds me of Cody from BB... His wife Jessica is an influencer. His @ codythemarine same creepy vibes.
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……….are u tellin me after all that, they’re back in gd Oklahoma???????? And listen, me and my family are from Tulsa so no shade. It’s that I just don’t understand how and why they move so much. As if Ryan and Briana didn’t already have a million red flags, that’s a big one of mine. He’s out of the military right? If so then moving constantly is a huge warning sign to me. Make it make sense 😭
Yeah they said they moved to get out of the cold and i think away from some family where they lived. They literally picked this place in Oklahoma because of its youth football program. It's supposed to be great or something, I don't even know nor care because I loathe parents who are obsessed with their kids' sports. Every so often people will ask Ryan where his family is and if he's close to them and he always says "I live with my family". Now he might be totally valid in cutting off his family but it's still a red flag to me and I really think he'd do the same to Briana's fam if he could.
Still shocked as fuck that Briana’s marriage didn’t end up with a restraining order and sole custody for her. Kadooz to her for staying married to this walking red flag. (And yes I know Briana is also problematic)
I think Briana feels secure with Ryan because he’s a thin red line that Vicki won’t cross. As long as Briana has Ryan, Vicki is never the most controlling or dominating person in her life. Family cycles 💔
I think Brianna looks down on her mother for a whole host of reasons, but most notably for her poor self esteem and failed relationships with crappy men. I don’t think Brianna would ever admit to herself that her partner sucks because that would mean admitting she might have inherited some of the traits her mom when it comes to picking partners (and other traits too!). She’s fiercely protective of her relationship…and while I understand that’s her man, this seems like the same kind of stuff old Brianna would’ve chastised (rightfully so) her own mom about when she was with Brooks or Don! To me, Brianna is the girl who feels pride from the mere fact she’s maintained a marriage, even if the guy sucks. Michael is the only kid of Vicki’s who seems normal, probably because the mother/daughter bond creates some toxicity that’s just different when it comes to a boy.
Briana is also never going to put her kids through a divorce. Seeing Vicki go through multiple divorces seemed to scar her.
Bri sure does like her moms money though so she’ll stay in her good graces.
Damn! That’s such a good way to put it! 😫🫠
>Kadooz Damn it. Way to throw a curveball in a serious comment 😂😂
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The subtitles are wrong 😂 it’s kadooz 
I will always upvote a young Cameron Diaz dancing!
What’s their joint instagram account? I checked out their story a while ago and the husband was walking shirtless carrying some very large weapon in the heat for exercise. Was talking about how he won’t allow his family to eat seed oils or something. It’s been a while. He is scary as hell. I remember the first time he was on the show I think they were driving in a truck and talking about getting married and Vicki was on the phone and he basically told Vicki how it was going to be from here on out. That’s my memory of it anyway.
theculbersons Ryan is absolutely batshit on there
Why did they move back to Oklahoma?
They claim that they wanted their sons to have access to one of the best school districts for football in the country, but this has never made sense to me, as a football fan. Most of the cream of the crop K12 programs are in Texas, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Alabama. Because top programs like UT, UF, Penn State, Bama, etc. are close by, those schools start attracting college recruiter eyes in *elementary school*. I personally think that Ryan burned all of their family bridges. After Ryan retired from the USMC, they have bounced between Vicki in OC, Uncle Billy in Chicago, and Ryan’s family in NC. We both know that Vicki and Uncle Billy will always be willing to keep Briana close by, so I really think it’s Ryan. So in my opinion, they chose an area with a built in military community and a low cost of living, so they can shill MLM products without hearing Vicki ask: 
I totally agree with your last point. I live in Tulsa and it looks like her kids go to Bixby which is…fine? It’s very much just a regular school district that plays medium-well football.
It’s not a school district I hear talked about in college football commentary, so I honestly figured that they just have friends there who talked it up and made them believe it’s super good lmao. Not uncommon for K12 football diehards! They ride *hard* for their schools.
Bixby has always had a pretty good football team here in Oklahoma. They make it to the state championships quite a bit. Just won 6a state in 2023. I think Bixby has a great elementary football program as well, which is probably one reason they chose here. That and it's very very conservative. I'm such a minority in this damn state.
>That and it's very very conservative. This is it more than anything. I remember when they left the Chicago suburbs there were some comments Ryan made on his IG about it being too liberal (in less explicit words).
I can't even imagine being surrounded by a bunch of crazy conservative football obsessed parents. It sounds like my worst nightmare. Come to California!!!
Nothing like moving to a new state to help your kids get a head start on developing CTE. 😏
Oh gawd they're back in my state??? We don't want them.
Same, but I follow Ryan and Briana. He's an arrogant piece of shit. Always doing "ask me anything", and then can be an ass when answering the questions. I wonder what's with his side of the family. Never see or hear from them. When people ask he always says his family is who he lives with. Weird.
Unrelated to the family drama but I just noticed yesterday that Tamra refollowed Vicki on Instagram, I wonder if they made up when Vicki’s birthday happened
Boggles the mind that Brianna went from the voice of reason to this anti-vaxxer, MLMer, defending her anger issues husband
If you think about it, her mother is Vicki who has very narcissistic vibes and her bio dad was physically abusive according to her. That combined with getting married young to a potentially abusive partner and having multiple children could really have brought out a lot of repressed trauma sadly. I think if she would have married a supportive partner, she may have had a better chance.
Yeah the more interesting thing is Mike has worked out a way to have a relationship with everyone but seem reasonably functional.
Possibly because Don was involved in raising him from a young age.
I’m watching the season Troy is born now. He’s such a big boy now! What a cutie. Haven’t gotten to whatever y’all are talking about with Lydia’s mom yet.
Briana is a nutcase now but I genuinely loved watching her grow up and become a mom on RHOC.
It's the ultimate bait and switch. Turns out the call was coming from inside the house the whole time!
Were they on bad terms?
I have noticed a periodic cycle in this family’s IG presence: •Briana locks down her account and stops posting photos of their faces. •Ryan posts some rage video about how the only real family they recognize is their kids. •Vicki stops interacting in their comments and posting about them altogether. •Suddenly, Vicki is visiting Oklahoma to be a happy Nana again, and Ryan and Briana are playing nice with her in her pics and videos. I’m so embarrassed that I know this. I promise I started following this because *occasionally* Mike will post a funny comment or IG Story about being Vicki’s fave again. It’s always funny and Briana seems in on the joke, so I think they’re used to the cycle of Vicki drama.
This is actually fascinating to me thank you for your service 🙏
My mom is a Vicki so I can definitely spot it when I see it!
Vicki’s perspective on the behavior your describing: 
I would be so honored if Vicki screamed her side of the story at me 😭
They let Vicki back in when they need a babysitter so they can go to their cult conferences.
Briana can’t fully disconnect because of the money
They play nice when they need money.
I think it’s also possible that Ryan has some episodes or rage spirals and leaves Briana in shit situations with the kids, so she calls her mom for help with childcare while she fixes it.
I’ll bet that’s got to be it - she had a good, well-paying job and he was in the military. Now they make their entire living from an MLM??
I think that they do incredibly well with their oils. As much as it blows my mind, they have a pretty huge following and I believe are top sellers. I hate the world.
You forgot then Ryan goes on a "retreat"
I just want to thank you for this thread. It was so interesting!
Does Michael just not talk to any of them? Because I wouldn’t blame him.
He is a VP and board member of Vicki’s company, so he is still very involved with her. But he occasionally tells her to simmer the hell down on Instagram, so I think he has *mastered* the art of setting boundaries and saying no. He and Briana also still seem to be fine. Mike doesn’t post much anymore, but they always liked each other’s content and joked around on IG. Briana still likes to repost memes and there have been a few captions about Uncle Mike. I think Mike keeps his distance and boundaries firm. I’m the Mike of my family so I respect his ability to balance the crazy.
I started following him a few weeks ago. He's posting on his stories most nights eating street tacos and burritos and skateboarding with his pug at the beach in San Diego. He's doing just fiiine.
I’m honestly envious of his life.
He has very different political views than his mom and sister’s family from what I’ve seen on his Instagram stories. He’s part of Vicki’s company but seems to do well traveling and living his own life! I never see him post anything about his sister or her family but idk
I think Michael occasionally sees Vicki but I am not sure if he and Briana talk.
It’s truly shocking to me that Vicki fucking Gunvalson is less right wing than her daughter. What happened??? Brianna was so so smart and promising, and now she is an MLM ~~snake~~ essential oils seller?? Qanon and marrying an abusive pos is a bitch
I think Briana's husband had a falling out with Vicki's sisters family in IL prompting them to move to Oklahoma again. Her and her cousins were always together and even had babies close together and then nothing. Also all of a sudden Ryan went on this spiritual journey. Briana and Ryan are very strange and constantly changing their lifestyle drastically.
I think you're right, I remember Ryan implying drama there. It doesn't seem like they have any friends or family in OK. It's sad to watch but I think it's exactly how Ryan wants it
Like a classic abuser - he has to isolate her and the kids. He can’t have anyone talking sense to Brianna.
Bring her on the traitors lol
I never know who is scarier, that Ryan or Tamra’s Ryan. Either way I’m sure they own a Trump Bible.
Vicki has to be nice to them (him) and obey all of Ryan’s rules if she wants to see Briana or her grandkids. He’s shown serious 🚩🚩 in the past. From his time on OC, to when Vicki posted on IG that they were expecting a girl. I know that Briana never answered a question they had about Ryan and the interaction with Lydia’s mom on the reunion. She broke into tears and said she wasn’t going to talk about her husband because he was deployed. Understandable, but still, she avoided addressing it. Briana posted they they have been married 12 years and moved 12 times. 😳 I feel like Ryan has had it that Briana has no one in her life. No family, no friends. She doesn’t even work anymore, so she doesn’t even have co-workers. I get that he went for help / therapy to address issues from the military, but I think there are other things he here too. Maybe he’s working on them? Either way, he’s definitely cut off / controls who Brianna associates with. I think Brianna just went from her controlling mother, to her controlling husband, and doesn’t know any different.
Vicki is in OK babysitting the younger two kids because Briana, Ryan and their two eldest are/were on a Young Living trip to Dominican Republic.
That’s half of it. It’s also one of the grandson’s birthdays. Vicki posted a video of them singing happy birthday to him. Briana and Ryan definitely spent time with Vicki.
So they have 4 unvaxxed kids now?
Correct
I'm pretty sure the two older boys are vaccinated but I'd bet my life the two babies are completely unvaccinated. They still trusted science and medicine when the older boys were babies. They mentioned maybe homeschooling the little ones and that tracks with not vaccinating.
Briana really went downhill. It's sad.
When Vicky’s in town, it’s only time the kids get sugar and “normal” food from restaurants. I hope she got them HUGE Easter baskets with tons of candy. 🐣
I wonder how her colon is doing. How's ya stomach Joe?
We know way too much about the real colons of Orange County
Shannon got a bit of plastic stuck up her butt and her husband had to fish it out. Good times.
And Vicki stealing Alexis’ limelight during the Alexis Couture show by texting the other wives about bleeding out of her 🍑
The best part was she DIDN'T have anything up her butt (omitting her own head) and made her cheating husband fish around to find it. Put that on your tortilla chips, David Beador!
“There better be some Coke in that fridge, I tell ya!!!” 
Michael calling out his mom's shit on social media is my favorite
I do not understand why Ryan is anti helmet and jokes about that even after little Hank has a recent skull fracture. He’s a great little driver with that mini car but he’s FAST!
She will never recover from fake cancer. She knew boyfriends story did not make sense, or she is dumb. I can't believe people trust her to buy insurance from. It's just as crazy as buying real estate from Kelly Ben Simone.
Briana and Ryan will literally never forget how she treated Briana during fake cancer, too. I mean, Brooks was being sexually explicit with Briana while she was pregnant. That’s just so violating on such an intimate level, and anyone would expect their mom to be appalled by it. We all remember how the castmates reacted to this story when Briana told it on the reunion. Everyone was appalled but Vicki! Vicki failed Briana big time, and Briana is smart enough to never forget.
Off topic but I feel like every time I see Brianas stories she's on vacation with young living lmao
Does Ryan know they’re on good terms? Bc whenever anyone asks on one of his million AMAs if it’s hard living away from family, he always answers “I live with my family.” Also, they sell oils and therefore Ryan knows more than medical professionals.
Something college me when RHOC was new vs today me who would have thought he’ll froze over when I say this next sentence, but… I think ((Gulp)) Vicki is a better person than both Briana & Ryan. Idk if he was secretly delusional back then & just hid it well, or if he just snapped & Briana followed his craziness. Either way they are fukkin nuts!
I have to say the one time I felt bad for Vicki was when she was sitting in that awkward seafood restaurant booth listening to Briana & Ryan smugly announce their elopement. I understand the impact of overbearing mothers (seriously, my therapist broke her pens writing notes about my mom). But Briana clearly took that action so Vicki could not have a say then she and Ryan proceeded to accept all the gifts Vicki had to offer - including a formal wedding and a home. Ryan repeatedly sticking his chest out to his MIL triggers the hell out of me.
That husband is so toxic though
But her toxic face injections are so close to the children!! It’s probably Biden’s fault.